I have a 13 min run
#h1-discussion
slender idol
olive jungle
Dino has been doing speedruns!
slender idol
Need to see one of his runs so i can copy strats lol
Im just messing around atm seeing whats good in the patch
olive jungle
there are a bunch of links to his twitch in the self-promo channel, i think!
slender idol
Sweet thanks man
half surge
I have a 9:25 as of yesterday, Dino has an 8:26
There's a speedrunning discord btw, if anyone wants I can post a link in #self-promotion
frosty mountain
go ahead. idk if I'll join but it's a good place to leave a link like that
half surge
posted
ember notch
#hades-feedback I would like to the option to move via mouse similar to diablo, I would also like to have the ability to change weapons while on a run
thick ivy
tfw you get good luck with the boons and stuff so now you dont wanna go face the boss and waste it all 😩
void vigil
you can do it!!!
half surge
Just realised this is discussion nvm
thick ivy
that me except with meg still
plain plinth
you can do it T-T)9 what weapon r u using?
thick ivy
i was using the bow but now im giving the sword a try
brisk trail
gooood luck with the sword !
astral lagoon
i tried out the shield and now i cant use anything else bc my brain says no
void vigil
Ah sorry for the delet this is a no spoiler zone
astral lagoon
shield just feels,, big strong and you can defend with it which i need
opal viper
Overall what percentage of the content is in the game right now ?
hexed smelt
i mean, impossible to say, more like
opal viper
Only a dev can answer that i think
hexed smelt
we're like a month into an early access period predicted to last at least a year
opal viper
There will be at least eleven more major update
frosty mountain
yeah, but they've been working on the current version for how long
like
uuh 1 year and a half give or take
still, there's still a lot under wraps
which means, more is developed than what we have atm
opal viper
They worked on the base of the game. Now they have a production pipeline and they are in the phase where they can add a lot of content
frosty mountain
true
opal viper
I wonder if they work on a homemade engine
frosty mountain
I think they are, although, I am not one to talk
no knowledge on the matter. I think I remember them saying so for their previous games. take this with a grain of salt tho
opal viper
I can tell by looking at the game files that they don t work in unity
frosty mountain
aren't they oblidged to mention the engine they're using if it's not theirs?
opal viper
They say what they whant. But as a video game student I m asking myself these questions
frosty mountain
I'm probably not the right guy to ask ^^ you can catch the mods being online here from time to time
opal viper
Generally I come here when I m on the train
frosty mountain
I see
jaunty falcon
so what are the best boons for chaos shield ?
frosty mountain
if you focus on special, I'd say ares. bullrush like the normal dmg buffs like athena. I also like poseidon with regular attacks
frosty mountain
yes
jaunty falcon
or is that a meta
opal viper
And offcourse artemis
frosty mountain
no, I mean the shield charge in general
opal viper
Shield charge deal like 80 damages (I don t remember well) so with crit on attack it deal already 240
fiery pebble
Athena or Poseidon on attack
Then depending on hammer upgrade, you do dash double taps or you charge around the map
opal viper
I really like ares and zeus with the spear
tepid orchid
I'm a fan of Hunter Dash with the bow
worn gale
fiery pebble
I would avoid using shield special
tepid orchid
Which makes sense thematically, I suppose :3
fiery pebble
Its not very fun and its oh so very slow
opal viper
Aremis is really the best with bow
gaunt bane
ares compliments my weapon choices and calls me My Kin so he's gudt
fiery pebble
I mean Ares is a 10/10 as far as looks go
gaunt bane
shield special 
fiery pebble
But it seems boons are based on personality, and he isnt great
Which also explains why Aphros boons arent great either
gaunt bane
her boons saved my skin early on
gaunt bane
i'm enjoying others' more as i get more experienced
fiery pebble
As far as attack upgrades go, her boons are just above Artemis and Ares
But quite below the others
opal viper
There was a short time where cast were op with artemis dash
gaunt bane
yeah totes
fiery pebble
Eh
opal viper
crit with a 300 base damage cast
fiery pebble
That was when cast was just the same as pressure points
I mean Hunters dash was the same as pressure points
Which always did that
And wasnt great
tepid orchid
Now you can only do crits with 300 base damage bow shots :^)
gaunt bane
artemis + cast is one of my favorite combinations these days
fiery pebble
But yeah, in my personal rating system Aphrodite is in the "Did I really not get anyone better? Eh, I guess youll do" category
Which Zeus is also in on some weapons
gaunt bane
that was me with zeus but he's grown on me a lot
fiery pebble
Athena, Poseidon and Zeus on Flurry Blade are in the "Yes, gimme gimme gimme gimme" category
opal viper
Zeus is very good with fast weapon like the spear
fiery pebble
Artemis and Ares are in the "Id rather just not get your boon and hope to get something useable later" category
Speaking of which, Ares ruined an early high heat run for me
His attack upgrade was the only choice I had
On bow
That run came crashing down
hexed smelt
wait, wait, poseidon on flurry blade?
fiery pebble
No, Zeus on flurry blade
hexed smelt
poseidon on spear or sword attack: hope you like playing pingpong for four hours!
hexed smelt
hexed smelt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
astral lagoon
i rarely ever use my cast and i feel like i should use it more
opal viper
Do you want to know the french conjugating system ?
plain plinth
Crawls here in defeat. Again
LMAO
i dont have a problem with damage but its so hard to dodge those pink projectiles from the main hydra head when i use a bow ):
bold dome
10/10 this is beautiful.
plain plinth
Yeet!!!
fiery pebble
You can just use special to clear them out
sick tree
@fiery pebble - When using the shield, get either Zeus or Poseidon's dash boon and the delay after using the special isn't an issue anymore
If you upgrade the special itself with Poseidon as well or anyone that boosts damage,
You can beat nearly any enemy in the game from the other end of the room
safe finch
Stand between the flowers of the first stone to your right @plain plinth
That way you will be protected from all the projectiles
Flower power!
hexed smelt
the slow projectiles or the volley, ares?
bc for the slow, one-at-a-time projectiles then yeah use the rock to block em
if it's the rapid volley then you can actually destroy them before they have a chance to fire and it's basically free damage
plain plinth
Like... both? I do use special to block/deflect the volley but i guess im not doing it fast enough
And for the slow projectiles im usually overwhelmed by the heads/bloodless when I try to take cover 🤔
I think im just not killing things fast enough?
It’s ok i’ll practice 👀 but for now im going back to the sword to kill it
fiery pebble
I mean
I could alternatively
Get those boons
Get an upgrade on the attack
And do waaaay better
The shield special is just atrociously bad
sick tree
Well... I disagree?
Don't really know how to counter such a flat statement
rigid grotto
Good for hitting pots
sick tree
XD
rigid grotto
You look cool when you snipe a gold pot as you leave a room on recording
(Pro opinion)
fiery pebble
The problem with shield is that its only safe against the attacks you can very easily avoid anyway
fiery pebble
And even if you want to avoid those
Bow is just infinitely better
As is going full dash on shield
sick tree
To be honest, I feel like you're just not using it effectively
I find it significantly easier to avoid damage with the shield than any other weapon
I mean, you can dodge and block
gentle depot
Hi, do you guys know if I can get image of Chaos in high resolution somewhere ? ://
sick tree
Everyone has their own taste of course, but to suggest the shield is empirically worse than all the others is just daft, if you ask me
hexed smelt
@gentle depot https://hades.gamepedia.com/Chaos
gentle depot
@hexed smelt thanks a lot , some sort of wallpaper maybe ? If not I'll just make one myself 😛
hexed smelt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plain plinth
i got mad and i killed the hydra and i'm happy again :D(-]
someone please suggest a character for me to doodle before i go to bed
fiery pebble
Shield special is empirically worse than all other options, shield the weapon is fine
sick tree
Dusa with a body please
fiery pebble
Though ... its also probably the weakest
That or sword, and sword has worldsplitter
sick tree
@plain plinth - seriously, Dusa with a body please 😅
plain plinth
i kinda like her as the head tho 😢 she is so cute and round
safe finch
Yeah don't give Dusa a body, she is a cutie
sick tree
Me too but I wanna see more fan art of her with a body, if only to see if it could really work
astral lagoon
the shield special is. not my favourite yeah
hexed smelt
i just wanna talk to her about the gorgons
safe finch
Don't worry I will make a DusaXBouldy fan art for you
hexed smelt
like, dusa? dusa do you know them? please tell me we aren't, like, killing your sisters.
thick sphinx
Shield special is awesome!
sick tree
Thank you @thick sphinx !!!
fiery pebble
Its an interesting concept
thick sphinx
With zeus or ares special you can clear the room with ease, without it, it's insane for bullet clearing
fiery pebble
But its not very interactive or good
thick sphinx
Its insanely interactive and good lol
fiery pebble
If you had to aim it and it did like 3 times the damage
alpine stratus
dusas supposed to b killing him but she got attatched ....sticking to that theory for now kvkgmv
fiery pebble
Thatd be more interesting
As it is, its just a crutch for when you struggle with the pattern still
And even at that, its less good than bow
thick sphinx
Having done 15, 60 and 120 heat with shield and prior to that 30 consecutive runs on the shield, with a fastest clear time of 11 I'd disagree
To me shield offers more
thick sphinx
no the weapon in its entirety 😄
fiery pebble
Oh the weapon itself is fine
thick sphinx
the heat runs was 80-90% special
astral lagoon
i love the shield but i have trouble getting the special to work for me
fiery pebble
The thing with shield is that you only have attack and charge to work with
But those 2 are still quite good
So the weapon overall is good
Kind of like bow
thick sphinx
I never use charge spare to block the hydra
fiery pebble
Except bows special has some utility in hydra now
astral lagoon
i used to really like the bow and then i got the shield and my life changed
sick tree
Dude, not needing to aim as much minimises the amount of time you spend standing still, and the bounce mechanic allows you to hit enemies around corners,
which makes you functionally impossible to hit
Even if you do get cornered, you can use the bullrush as a block
fiery pebble
Oh right, keyboard doesnt have the lockon thing of controller
fiery pebble
If it does, you dont really have to aim much
sick tree
If you take the time to get skilled with that tactic, you become basically impossible to kill
fiery pebble
I should probably disable it at some point
The problem is, you already get impossible to kill with dash double tap or charge spam
While clearing rooms much faster
thick sphinx
The only thing im here to defend is the shield special, whatevers about the bow i wouldnt know
fiery pebble
Or with bow, really
sick tree
The bow just leaves you as a sitting duck whenever you use the special or have to line up a shot carefully,
You can compansate for that if you're really good at timing, which admittedly: I'm not
But the shield lets you keep dashing around, dealing damage, until it gets back
Yo don't have to stand still to call it back, like with the spear either
fiery pebble
I mean, you have to stand still to throw it out first
And with bow you can just dash and shoot all the time
You rarely have to line up shots because you kill enemies too quickly
sick tree
The shield has limitations, just like the others, but a skilled player can work around them
fiery pebble
And eh, spears brief callback standstill is pretty brief
Let me put it this way
I play with 500% damage and 0% healing
Aka the mode where you can only afford to get hit 4-5 times
I still would never use shield special because its so bad
Though granted, havent beaten the Hydra with shield on that yet, because its attacks are some nonsense
rigid grotto
I am a certified shield main and I can confirm that I almost never use the special
thick sphinx
shield makes the hydra darts non-existant tho
My 60 run was pretty neat with the shield
not much problem spare for the murderboat cus of some slip ups on my end
sick tree
I've been killed far more times due to the bow and spear delays than with the shield,
It's just a matter of which one you're more experienced with really
But if you wanna avoid being hit: hide behind a pillar or hole, spam special until your target gets near, dash behind them, rinse and repeat until the room's empty, get an array of boons to make it faster (knock-back, damage etc.)
and if you make a mistake or get caught somewhere nasty: Bullrush to defend to attack to knock away
rigid grotto
Or just repeatedly charge cancel through them
fiery pebble
So does bow special though
rigid grotto
Like over and over
sick tree
Goes even faster if you remember to use the cast
fiery pebble
And the problem is, if youre experienced with other weapons, not only do you not get hit
Unlike shield special, you can even clear in record pace
Instead of, whats the average, 25-30 minutes? You can get 8-12 minutes
rigid grotto
Ok so With shield special you can bounce it on the far wall and one shot numb skulls with the backstab
thick sphinx
avg 25-30 on shield? Loool
rigid grotto
That’s the only time I use it most of the time
fiery pebble
Shield special only runs, Lizzy
Not regular shield runs
I think those tend to be 10-14 minutes
thick sphinx
I can try that when i get home from workout
fiery pebble
At least the fastest one I reached was 11, and that wasnt optimal
rigid grotto
Don’t
thick sphinx
its a vanilla run were talking right?
rigid grotto
It’s bad
thick sphinx
Hey game doesnt offer me much atm, might aswell try it 😄
fiery pebble
Otherwise, as many upgrades and whatever keepsakes you want
thick sphinx
you did 11 with everything or 11 with shield special?
fiery pebble
11 with everything
thick sphinx
ah akay
fiery pebble
I doubt shield special can get to 11 minutes
thick sphinx
there isnt chaos boons for specials yet right?
fiery pebble
There are
rigid grotto
?
sick tree
Even if it can't, so what?
It's fun and easy to use so, baring the most obsessive speed-runners, who gives a toss if it's a little slower than the bow?
thick sphinx
but that would only boost the main dmg of a special right? Not the boon attatched to it aswell?
fiery pebble
I mean Id disagree on it being fun, and its more "way slower" than a little slower, but sure, you can use it
Its multiplicative
But doesnt work on Zeus or Ares
rigid grotto
Sudden Rush! Sudden Rush? Sudden Rush!!!!
fiery pebble
Sudden Rush is great
rigid grotto
Sudden Rush is life
fiery pebble
Probably my favourite overall hammer upgrade
rigid grotto
❤
Pulverizing blows is better then I gave it credit for
But I still prefer others over it
Knock back is just so good
rigid grotto
Yea, also makes it hard to not get hit while charging
cedar valley
anyone else having the issue of buying blood gate at the wells and it occasionally spitting out an infernal trove instead
void vigil
next time that happens, please make sure to report it with F10 in game!
fiery pebble
Never saw it happen myself
cedar valley
blue screen made me panic thought i was being trolled
thick sphinx
no but i do have rooms with both, maybe you're just seeing the chest first and thinking "Aw shucks" and not looking for the well after that
void vigil
yeah, there is an item for each
hexed smelt
light of ixion is the blood gate item iirc
cedar valley
nope unless its super well hidden
theres only 3 islands and im searching them all
want pics of the islands?
unless its one of the ones where the blood gate cant spawn, but i thought if that happened it just didnt use up the charge
2nd time this run
deft adder
hey I've yet to give Hades a shot (I've got a Linux gaming PC and the Epic store doesn't even work in Wine), are there plans to release Hades on either Linux or Switch post-early access?
cedar hollow
In #hades-faq
Will Hades ever come to Steam or other platforms?
We expect to bring Hades to a variety of other platforms once Early Access is complete, including Steam. That’s not for a while so we can't make any promises here yet.
brisk trail
^^
brisk trail
Excuse me, anyone, why can't I post in #hades-feedback ?
oh i'm dumb, even though I read it
Will there be microtransactions in the game when it releases? I can't believe I didn't think of asking about this...
prisma wind
I would be very surprised if there were
atomic flame
@brisk trail we don't have plans to introduce microtransactions, and haven't released a game with them in the past.
brisk trail
That is indeed a wonderful thing to hear. Don't make this a pay-to-win / pay-to-do-better game, please please please. Cosmetics is fine though.
thick sphinx
I dont think this is a game where microtransactions would even thrive
so even if they were to be added they'd fail
brisk trail
Highly likely, and that, I do not want to happen. This is a fantastic game.
real charm
is there a way to track how many chambers you've completed in during a current run? I made the mistake of taking a Chaos boon with a dash penalty two rooms before running into Meg.
hushed heron
there are several requests for this in feedback section
half surge
@real charm I made a mod for it earlier
hushed heron
i believe not knowing what room is next gives a certain charm
half surge
Also probably will be in the next patch
real charm
@hushed heron @half surge thanks! I wasn't sure if there was something in place and I was looking the wrong place or not
alpine sable
Are you unable to destroy the gorgon stones?
prisma wind
At the moment, yes
alpine sable
hmmmm
prisma wind
You can deflect them, though
alpine sable
ok
thick sphinx
you can outrun them tho
prisma wind
I hope they patch it to allow the projectiles to be destructible, though
thick sphinx
Hmm yes and no imo, considering their slow attack speed they would be rendered kinda useless wouldnt they
Maybe change the attack entirely, gorgons are known for their gaze to petrify, not throwing rocks 😄
alpine sable
yeah maybe make it a slow moving wall sort of projectile, and you have to dodge or turn around or else be turned to stone
prisma wind
Turn the Gorgons into Beholders? (have them have beam weapons from their eyes)
Petrification laser
gleaming crane
That would pretty much make them brimstones but with a petrifying effect.
prisma wind
just spitballin' ideas ¯_(ツ)_/¯
thick sphinx
Im thinking something like Cassiopeia from League of Legends or Lux, a medium range cone or a bit longer "line" with a 1 second windup or so
Homing rocks just doesnt seem fiting
fitting*
alpine sable
dang now i want to play league
they already do kinda windup before spitting rocks tho, right?
thick sphinx
I havent played in 3 years, just started again, literally within the first 30 seconds people started cussing at each other and wanting to report each other -_-
Not sure, im darting around the room, so im not paying attention to such details 😄
mortal relic
Replacing brimstones in Asphodel with petrifying-laser gorgons would be pretty okay actually.
alpine sable
the range would have to be shorter tho
thick sphinx
I kinda wish brimstones was something else, i mean the attack is fine but the enemy is static the same no matter which way it shoots
doesn't give a proper feel of which way its shooting
remote saffron
@thick sphinx yeah that's a good point about brimstones
thick sphinx
They are basically the hardest mob for me in heat runs to deal with solely for that reason
Sure theres a grace period before its laser deals dmg, but having the enemy itself being visually clear would be super!
prisma wind
You're looking for crystal-clear directionality? 
thick sphinx
How do i report someone here on Discord....
olive jungle
🚓
prisma wind
I subsist on puns, don't try to supress me 😛
olive jungle
🚨 this is the punlice, 🚨
prisma wind
I feel attacked
thick sphinx
But your honor! It was funny... for me!
prisma wind
Such unjust punishment
olive jungle
📢 stop punning or suffer the punalty!
prisma wind
That's like telling a zebra to stop being striped. I do not know how to comply with this request
thick sphinx
Water are we gonna do? Is there anything we cod do? I can't bereef he keeps the puns coming! The sun of a beach!
olive jungle
anyways 😂 i can't help but wish brimstones took backstab damage
thick sphinx
What if a zebra wasnt striped, but lined!
prisma wind
Oh, going with the non-sequitor puns, eh?
olive jungle
it doesn't make...sense...but i want it
thick sphinx
They might take backstab damage... We just dont know what the back of it is...
prisma wind
Can an entity without a "back" take backstab damage?
olive jungle
oh you're right, i was assuming the laser came out of their "front" but i guess it could be coming from anywhere
prisma wind
Brimstones are just all-seeing entities of concentrated malevolence
thick sphinx
olive jungle
at least void crystals make that obvious
thick sphinx
So, whats with the impervious shield we have now?
olive jungle
with their creepy faces
thick sphinx
on my first 90 health i stop taking dmg 3 times...
prisma wind
I think that's the invuln after taking heavy damage proc
prisma wind
That was buffed back on the 17th of December I think
To prevent you from dying from a bunch of enemies hitting you all at once, or some such
thick sphinx
But... If i get hit by a lot of enemies it means i put myself in that situation...
It doesnt make sense to me 😦
prisma wind
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mortal relic
@thick sphinx Agreed on brimstones. Their attack cue is making a noise - they should really flash, like the thugs and louts.
If only because it's impossible to tell what's what when there are multiple.
thick sphinx
i mean instead of Athena and Aphro both having the "reduce X dmg" athena could have a "You cant take more than X dmg within Y sec" boon
The attack cue is great, but the lack of clarity of where it will attack is lackluster
mortal relic
They have a little transparent line indicating where they're aiming.
thick sphinx
I mean i can hear a sound, then i expect it to attack right on me, so i dash, but sometimes the attack then starts where i am after my dash
yeah but still, they should kinda be in line with everything else not being a static model
In a mass confusion bullet hell "omg so much is haaapppeeeniiing" genre of a game theres should be great focus on clarity of enemies both models and attacks which so far is on point from SGG, the only ones i feel meh about is brimstones and then the skullcrushers because they add a third element to look out for, first two being enemies themselves and projectiles and this third being a shadow on the floor
mortal relic
Skullcrushers are exceptionally picky about where you have to be standing, and for how long, before they'll consider dropping down early.
prisma wind
You can kind of watch the Brimstones track your movement, and they will continue to track you until they actually initiate their beam. You don't take damage until the beam is at full intensity though, so to bait them you just wait for the faint pink line to show up. That's what I do, anyway
thick sphinx
yeah but on full heat runs and theres 10 of them its something else 😄
prisma wind
<cue laser-hall scene from Resident Evil [movie]>
thick sphinx
That scene still gives me the shivers
finite mantle
[stands perfectly still... sssslowwllyyy de-LEGOs into several chunks...]
remote saffron
@prisma wind oh my GOD
void vigil
sorry, I deleted that. That’s a question for #h1-story-discussion!
I see wight already answered it there
mental gate
no worries! and yep 
brisk trail
Supergiant games have always had issues with vfx layering, but I think those brimstones are a relatively non-egregious issue compared to some of the issues Transistor or Bastion have.
The visual presentation has been getting more and more polished each time
olive jungle
@obtuse flame Hello! Thanks for your feedback. There's a channel here for feedback, so if you want, you can type "?rank Early Access" in #bot-commands and then put your feedback in #hades-feedback . Then, other people here can vote on it, and the devs will definitely see it too!
The game isn't finished, so it's not surprising that you've finished most of the content in a day or two. I'm glad you found a strategy that works for you. There are options in the game to make it harder - I would recommend trying those!
obtuse flame
Oh thank's, i try to write in the feedback channel but it's doesn't work, so i will copy paste to there i guess? Or edit text more shorter and put in the feedback channel, thank you for the help
olive jungle
First, you need to type ?rank Early Access in #bot-commands
Then you can write in feedback
obtuse flame
so im deleting message up there?
olive jungle
Sure, thanks!
obtuse flame
thank's to you )
plain plinth
No offense but. daedalus hammers being a no hit hades challenge is a serious no bueno from me 😂😭 whyyy
olive jungle
oh noooooo RIP
plain plinth
😭 i guess i’ll try another run
olive jungle
yeah because dad will give me 
otherwise....
olive jungle
SPOILERS CHANNEL PLEEEASE!
plain plinth
oh right
olive jungle
:' )
distant umbra
Is it normal that you can throw your cast into the red pool at the start and just... lose it?
olive jungle
it doesn't reset at any point?
distant umbra
Welp it just did
It took something like 2 minutes
Of me literally just standing around
That's intended, then?
If it is, I'll go over to #hades-feedback
void vigil
it also resets when you move to another room
olive jungle
should you even be able to cast while you're in the house?
olive jungle
ohh sorry it sounded like you were
distant umbra
I'm right outside the house 🤔
olive jungle
"red pool at the start" sounded like the pool of blood in the house ^^;
sorry i misunderstood haha
distant umbra
No worries
olive jungle
but yeah right now it's really easy to lose casts to environmental obstacles...
distant umbra
I'll report the bug in-game then
olive jungle
it will come back when you leave the room though
olive jungle
yeah.
distant umbra
"Bug" has been submitted
blazing bough
Hi guys, quick question out of curiosity. Can anyone tell me what engine was used for Hades? Unity, Unreal or something entirely else or even inhouse?
olive jungle
It's an in-house engine
blazing bough
Oh, neat. Thanks mate.
Felt like unity for a second, but it was running way to smooth and loading too fast to actually be unity 😄
olive jungle
No problem! I think we decided it was coded in C++ but I can't remember. The scripts for the game are written in Lua
blazing bough
Visuals are mostly really nice sprite sheets I assume?
olive jungle
2D visuals are .png portraits, 3D models are pre-rendered bink video
basically anything animated is pre-rendered, which is why it runs so smoothly
blazing bough
I assumed as much. Gotta say it's impressive how crisp everything looks even in 4k on a large screen. Must be using some rather large animation sequences for it to hold up so well
blazing bough
Especially the little doodads in the terrain. I noticed right away, due to the pain of having to use unity as a motion designer from time to time for client projects. It's hell having to handle large sequences with it
Anyway, thanks for the info. Again, super nice work 😄
olive jungle
No problem!
livid cargo
good time of day
pale coral
Anyone using a Nintendo Switch Pro controller?
distant umbra
not a shop or minishop or any opportunity for spending gold
313 gold
8 HP
the next room is gold reward
Life is pain in Hades
Also this sounds like it shouldn't happen 
hexed smelt
that's just how the room rewards are sometimes
distant umbra
Also the game is lagging on my high-end PC? I guess that's not been properly optimized yet
distant umbra
Can't argue with that
Well, here I go die again
If I survive maybe the next room will be a shop? o-o
wise dune
I had it happen where it was a gold reward that was a healing fountain room
into a shop
other times it just give you two free rooms
distant umbra
Room finished with 3 HP, I now have three options:
- Room with gemstone reward
- Hard room with gemstone reward
- Trove trial
Up to 30 HP
I'm actually temped to do the trove lol
I'm going to die so hard whatever I do 
half surge
Hey coilean
distant umbra
Btw I understand that it adds to the sense of unknown, but this feels pretty unbalanced
slender linden
sometimes rng just doesnt like you
half surge
Room options are pretty consistent
wise dune
RNG has its own RNG to see how it feels about you
distant umbra
o-O
distant umbra
Ok boyos I'm going in
3 HP trove, now or never
is killed by skull 5 seconds in
Yep
slender linden
F
remote saffron
gemstone?
slender linden
darkness, probably
sick laurel
^
wise dune
as they say, blood and darkness
weary sentinel
I had a game the other day where I got to Meg with only 1 boon (upgraded once) and the hammer. Decided I would wait for some more updates before playing again.
Oh, and 1 Chaos boon.
Every other reward was a key, darkness, or ambrosia
visual shell
I don't actually play the game i just like reading the patch notes
remote saffron
@visual shell yeah that was me until the chaos update hit
then I realized I needed to play the game so I could feel the updates too
remote saffron
also what did artemis look like before they added the art of her?
distant umbra
The chaos update came out and I went "well I guess I'm not waiting for full release then"
weary sentinel
I normally play for a bit after the big patches, but drop it pretty quickly. Hopefully the core issues I have with the game eventually get addressed
distant umbra
She just had the cloaked look, like Nyx has now
My guess is that Nyx, Charon and Sisyphus all will have new art too
remote saffron
Makes sense
distant umbra
Can't wait btw
Every single piece of art in this game is an international treasure
slender linden
thats not a guess, they're confirmed as placeholders
slowly getting updated art :3
maybe they'll just change the hood xD
safe finch
Finally got everybody to max relationship so far! 👌
hexed smelt
yeah, it's in the faq/ #hades-faq that nobody ever reads
livid cargo
you could force people to read it
slender linden
how do you even check that if they read it xD
livid cargo
@slender linden you could set up a quiz of sorts
hexed smelt
that's
livid cargo
@distant umbra if you read #hades-faq you might find out
hexed smelt
also in the faq yeah
slender linden
XDDD
livid cargo
its almost like
#hades-faq was designed to be a channel that answered common questions
gasp
slender linden
sidenote, how do you set up a quiz of sorts. like how do you force people to take it XD
livid cargo
there are various bots that have a gatekeeper function
where you can't chat on the server until you fulfill the bot's requirements
wintry cairn
I know the hooded portraits are placeholders, but what about the hooded ingame models?
slender linden
good question
livid cargo
it normally doesn't, Risu. Raxxin, that probably remains to be seen
slender linden
i'd assume they might touch the models when they have the art?
they did update Zag a bit in the big patch
livid cargo
a lot
wintry cairn
I hope they will
slender linden
maybe a lot then. i have bad eyes xD
livid cargo
it makes you go down
distant umbra
(not sure if it's spoilery)
livid cargo
ascending makes you go up
wet flume
heeeeck yeah
some lovely people in #pyre just sold me on buying Pyre, the only SG game I havent bought yet
but on the topic of Hades since that is the current channel we are in, what is your least favorite non-boss mob to fight, Xaph
visual shell
hope you like basket
distant umbra
Oh I played the everliving crap out of Pyre
My favourite mob to fight depends on the weapon I'm using
Usually, the witches are the most fun
visual shell
until you get to asphodel
wet flume
I ran into the upgraded elite ones for the first time yesterday
distant umbra
I just like how quickly they squish
The elite ones aren't a problem if you got some quick attacks or deflect
But otherwise yeah, they suck
wet flume
they... become more troublesome higher up
distant umbra
Can't you deflect/cancel their attacks?
wet flume
yes but if theres like 8 of them...
distant umbra
AoEs the crap out of everything
wet flume
lol
my favorite mobs to fight are the skulls because its very satisfying to destroy waves of them, but I hate elite gluttons with a passion
livid cargo
you mean Louts
distant umbra
I love the shield with louts
It's just, so hilarious
As long as they don't swarm me
visual shell
Wretched Louts (?)
wet flume
I made magical items for Bastion, I bet Hades would make some good magic items as well
fair bone
Louts are fine for me, but as a spear/bow person, the skulls are the BANE of my EXISTENCE
wet flume
really? I like fighting skulls with spear
distant umbra
Backstabbing skulls with the spear is just bootiful
stab-backstab-stab-backstab-stab-backstab-stab-backstab
wet flume
for some reason you said that and I just started hearing the "the boys are back" but "the stabs are back" instead
distant umbra
All according to my plans :P
fair bone
Q being the special attack?
wet flume
correct
fair bone
I know, they're still a pain when they gang up and such
However, the bow having innate piercing makes it much easier to deal with them
wet flume
I usually use the stun sequence to stab several of them then move and repeat when using spear
so I dont have issues with the packs of them
fair bone
Ah, but
armor
wet flume
that is fair. Against the armor ones I usually utilize dashes heavily
the last run I had that I actually made it to Asphodel I had Ares whirly charges and those were super good against the armored skulls
fair bone
Hell yeah
wet flume
also amazing versus the bosses there
fair bone
Best I've found against anyone?
Zeus Cast. Especially if you can get it at rare or legendary.
It's just so goooood
distant umbra
You might guess how it works
wet flume
throw out a whirly cast and then melee stun them inside it
distant umbra
I have Zeus Cast
fair bone
You crank all the settings to max, turn off the GPU, and pray?
distant umbra
But I also took the Chaos thing that nerfs the cast
Tea my PC is an actual beast
Dunno why, I'm just lagging here
I mean, it's not top tier 2019
wet flume
might be that effect is not optimized, still early access after all :P
fair bone
Zeus cast can carry runs for me lol
Especially if you get the legendary ability from Zeus
distant umbra
Tea should I power up my Zeus cast
distant umbra
Even if it's nerfed for another 2 rooms?
fair bone
It aint gonna be nerfed in 3 rooms, is it?
Basically
I have an awesome computer as well, and Zeus cast basically says "nope" to my PC
Love that low framerate sometimes
fair bone
How much damage are you doing w/ the cast?
90+?
I usually go up to around 100 on a zeus cast build
distant umbra
dies
Wut
It was 150
Upgraded to 180
Oh
OH IT WAS EPIC
So that's why it was that good >_>
fair bone
YEAH
distant umbra
Btw I died, next room was the boss
fair bone
Aw dang
wet flume
welp
distant umbra
First time on the boss, I had no clue how it worked lol
wet flume
that usually happens
"what the hell is this"
"what the hell is that"
"oh god hades, im dead"
fair bone
Yeah basically
violet anchor
oOOOOoooooh man I love this game!
Just got the copy last week. Already died 37 times and slain over 3 times that many souls.
Beat the first Boss and got to the Second!
Super Giant Really out did themselves this time 
fair bone
As a roguelike fan, this game is honestly such a treat
violet anchor
It's got the breathtaking color and detail work we expect from Jen Zee, Darren Korb is laying some subtle and grooving base lines, and each character has a humor to them. Each one giving details to flesh out the world and lay the foundation for a story, but never saying to much to keep a mystery going.
I keep running to Hades every time I die, just to hear him be disappointed in my life choices
hallow lark
guys I quickly need someone to confirm if I've been living a lie
was Shatter Shot ever called Scatter Shot?
frosty mountain
we've all been living in a lie after all
I could have also sworn it was scatter shot
hallow lark
it's frigging Shatter Shot lol
hexed smelt
🤔 the wiki says scatter shot
hallow lark
I've been calling it scatter shot the entire time
if it was changed, then fair enough, but I don't know if we all just made it up or what
hexed smelt
i thought for a minute we had another thunder/lightning flourish situation on our hands lmao
hallow lark
it's 100% shatter shot now
hexed smelt
hallow lark
I wondered if it was ever scatter shot
frosty mountain
I think it's more likely that we've been mixing it up this whole time
fair bone
Nah it's definitely Scatter Shot y'all
frosty mountain
tea.
hallow lark
it's definitely not lol
fair bone
hexed smelt
tea i literally screencapped the data for the trait name right there lmao
fun fact if you get zeus's special boon then it'll be thunder flourish in the boon select screen and lightning flourish when you go to check it n the left of the screen after
slender linden
oh wow curse you mandela effect
i blame overwatch, there used to be scatter arrow xD
fair bone
It's definitely scatter shot
frosty mountain
but here goes
slender linden
no it's actually scatter shatter
frosty mountain
it's shotter shot
slender linden
why did i laugh at this
fair bone
definitely shotter shot
frosty mountain
we found it fellas. SGG take the wheel now
fair bone
lmao
slender linden
excuse me devs we just found a typo xD
fair bone
Nah man just check them #fan-works
I hacked the game to find that little detail clearly
hallow lark
@fair bone 😒
fair bone
violet anchor
So I don't know if this is the right chat for this but:
Wouldn't it be cool to allow you to make a note in the room you died in and have it pop up on other players games as a shade or something?
Kinda like Dark souls
livid cargo
that could go in #hades-feedback , but it would be a nightmare to implement
violet anchor
Oh ok sorry.
I tried to post that there and it wouldn't let me 😭
sterile peak
it'd be the next step up from the Red ghosts in Transistor
thick sphinx
Why are we able to updoot our own feedback posts, seems wierd
olive jungle
Ultimately whether it's well OR poorly liked, your one reacc probably won't make a huge difference :P
olive jungle
Yeah, it's not enough of a concern to "fix", is all I mean, haha
sterile peak
also I think it's a discord limitation
you can't restrict reactions to specific messages
buoyant frigate
what is your free win build ?
fair bone
Oh yeah
Add in extra casts from Artemis, the shops, use poms to pump it up
Let the skellys spawn, throw it at em
Zeus cast can absolutely nuke the multiheaded phases
buoyant frigate
which weapon ?
fair bone
I enjoy the bow and spear, but I imagine it can work with most any weapon since it relies on the cast more
buoyant frigate
i'm addict to start shield + ares on special 😦
fair bone
That's hella good too
I also like bow build and focusing on Aphrodite until I can get the bonus damage to weakened foes
fiery pebble
Ill never get the popularity of shield special with Ares
buoyant frigate
fast cleaning
solemn hound
shield special has low base damage, but Ares boon doesn't care about that.
buoyant frigate
and easy to master
fiery pebble
Yeah the problem is, Ares boon also has low base damage
Combine it with slow travel time
And you get the probably slowest way to go through the chambers
cloud glacier
if u want to go fast go with bow + hunter dash atm
fair bone
Is hunter dash really that good?
cloud glacier
fastest reliable way i found
i mean
its dash boon that stacks with ur attack boon
fiery pebble
Hunters dash on bow is that good, yes
Its ludicrous
You easily do 300 damage per shot
cloud glacier
with lucky crits it goes up to 2k
or with bonus % dmg to ur attacks and with attack centerd hammer boon u can get bout 1k
maybe 700
fiery pebble
Aye, tis ludicrous
cloud glacier
depends on rarity and level
its so good that i started to get layzy and just spam dash-> attack
fiery pebble
A large reason why bow is the best weapon again
olive jungle
the dash attacks are way easier to do with keyboard and mouse
so if you're playing on a controller, that could be making it harder
buoyant frigate
ok ^^
fiery pebble
Even with controller theyre fairly easy
frigid pawn
i can never tell if ive done a dash attack or just attacked normally after dashing, is there an animation difference or something?
buoyant frigate
hmmm i dont catch the timing
fiery pebble
Sword has a unique animation
frigid pawn
ah cool, thanks
lime hinge
Where do you think we should share stupid rhymes for Skully?
fair bone
Definitely #hades-feedback
/s
lime hinge
Definitely. 😛
Because the one that came to mind was "Less bugging me, more slugging me!"
fair bone
LOL
Honestly either here or gameplay
If you make up some small art to go with it, #fan-works would be good
alpine stratus
less drinking tea more punching mee
lime hinge
I can't draw worth a bleep.
Less staring, more tearing.
Less brooding, more feuding. (Or bruising.)
fair bone
I always find myself hitting Skelly at least a few times on my way out into a new run
Almost like a Buddha "Rub the belly for good luck!" thing
gleaming crane
I always do it too, Tea.
He's been hired to get wrecked, least I could do is make sure he does his job.
lime hinge
Less checking more wrecking.
plain plinth
👀 same!!
fair bone
Stop quitting, more hitting!
fiery pebble
Does anyone have a list of the things he actually says?
Ive got one, but Im not 100% he doesnt say it
lime hinge
I don't have a full list, but I recognize a lot of them.
Heck, let's go bold.
Or not, guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Ah, here we go.
@vale drift Forgive the blatant pinging but do you have a list of Skully's less [blank], more [blank]?
vale drift
I do, though Skelly's sources might not forgive me for sharing
I'll briefly post something in spoilers
alpine stratus
limited edition....
lime hinge
If necessary and/or possible, I'll take the blame there. 😛
fiery pebble
Alright, Ill just say the one I think he might say
"Less slackin more smackin"
And the one he definitely doesnt say because we dont have that weapon in the game (yet)
"Less stammerin more hammerin"
lime hinge
I- am actually not sure if he says that one! I remember less chatter more battle?
fiery pebble
That ... doesnt rhyme?
alpine stratus
LESS STANDIN AROUND MORE PUT ME IN THE GROUND
fiery pebble
More puttin me in the ground flows better, dont it?
prisma wind
Less gabbin' more stabbin'
lime hinge
It was something similar, I think. I'm not sure.
alpine stratus
less show more bow
less fear more spear
fair bone
Less yakkin', more attackin'
prisma wind
Might have been said already but it looks like there are only 5 official less <X> more <Y> lines
lime hinge
On bad handles: Let Hades say F-
prisma wind
I'm not sure what the bad handles refers to?
lime hinge
Whatever you F'ing thing it means. 😄
Fun, friendship, fudge, whatever Hades doesn't say.
prisma wind
Oh, I got the end part, just not sure what you mean by bad handles ¯_(ツ)_/¯
alpine stratus
Make a special server just so ppls nicknanes can be cusses
lime hinge
It's a bad one in here because of the censor.
fiery pebble
As PM Seymour says, "What the frenchfry"
alpine stratus
blood and darkness however is totally fine to say
tulip lava
let ti'zo say bastard
fair bone
yes
alpine stratus
he already has in imp probably
tulip lava
oralech: says damn once
nightwings: >:O!!!
ti'zo: constantly cussing like a sailor in imp and nobody's the wiser
alpine stratus
tariq and reader know but theyre like......cool
fiery pebble
Ti'zo is the frontman of a metal band
alpine stratus
tariq: ill teach u chords i play when im mad at someone if u teach me inp swears
fiery pebble
What if
Ti'zos name is a curse?
And he is just giggling to himself for causing everyone to swear when calling him
alpine stratus
BDJGMGMGNJ NOOO
fiery pebble
I do not believe its currently possible
nocturne hemlock
yeah the built in bug report function probably stops that from working, that or the epic client...
half surge
You should be able to run it offline perfectly fine
Just run from the .exe instead of through the launcher
humble pollen
Can confirm
If that’s too much effort, if you just start the game online and leave it open then offline play is unaffected
olive jungle
@brisk trail What they said, if you go to the epic games folder in your program files and navigate to Hades\x64, you'll see the Hades .exe. You can even make yourself a new shortcut for the .exe and leave that on your desktop instead of the Epic Games one
Saves are all offline so you lose nothing by running the game as a standalone
prisma wind
You can add it as a non-Steam game, yes
opal viper
Epic is just for installing the game, the game is DRM FREE so you do what you want with it after
distant umbra
So I got Daedalus' upgrade to the bow special that doubles it
And now I got Tempest Floursih
Which increases damage by 138%
Guys I think I broke the game
I think I can one-shot anything point blank 👀
distant umbra
I'm still, like, in the 10th room lol
I'm just sitting in a corner and cleaning house
I'm getting serious lag because of performance issues so I'm not taking any chances lol
The game is making me choose between the Cool Uncle and the Cool Cousin
I hate you game
Oh well I died anyway, since Meg doesn't get pushed by my overpowered combo
Which seems a bit unfair tbh
I wouldn't mind each hit pushing, like, 1/10th
Instead of nothing at all
night turret
Well looks like Meg too tough to yeld under a machinegun fire.
distant umbra
I can throw a Lout from one side of a room to the other with just one shot but if I unleash all 50 into Meg she just takes it 
exotic plank
hi, I want to know if this game is still good on keyboard + mouse rather than controller before I buy it.
olive jungle
Yeah, I'd say you can do quite well on either set of controls.
lusty falcon
i havent used a controller but i believe that keyboard + mouse can even make some things easier
olive jungle
They both have upsides and downsides.
exotic plank
what are they?
half surge
Chaining together 3 dashes at max speed is easier on a controller
That's the main thing I've noticed
But also it doesn't really matter unless you're speedrunning
night turret
Mash-dash is really not the thing you should do >_>
vale kite
i knew zag jumping in blood gates like That reminded me of something
olive jungle
Dash attacks are easier on mouse. You can also attack in any direction, without having to be facing that way first
vale kite
dude jumping in void holes like he's in a pyre rite or something
exotic plank
alright, thanks guys.
half surge
@night turret Like I said it doesn't really matter unless you're speedrunning
olive jungle
reasons to hit the dash button a bunch:
-it's fun
-???
-profit
half surge
- go fest
exotic plank
Was afraid there would be 360 movement rather than 8-directional.
olive jungle
Controller does have smoother movement than KBM, I think
exotic plank
Or faster slower movement depending how hard you pull on twinstick.
olive jungle
Dash is equally multidirectional though
half surge
Yeah controller movement is always going to be smoother since it's analogue
olive jungle
As long as you have dash to cursor enabled
night turret
Yes movement is smother, but fadeaway attacks too good
God, I'm so used to "Attack on cursor", that i cant play without it at all >_>
brisk trail
Hey guys, do you know any cool hades Youtuber/Streamer?
olive jungle
Wanderbots was streaming it a bunch!
alpine stratus
self-promotion is full of ppl streaming n posting letsplays, if u ever need to find a streamer then take ur pick there!
brisk trail
Wasnt aware of that, thanks!7
exotic plank
Any Hades creator tag I can enter to send them some love when purchasing?
frosty mountain
nothing that I'm aware of
exotic plank
any creator at all, then?
frosty mountain
there are some. check #self-promotion
exotic plank
don't see any creator tags on their channels. Is this feature even used by anyone?
frosty mountain
ah, do you mean like a partnership with sgg?
slender linden
with epic
slender linden
you dont have to use the option but if you wanna support someone at random, apparently 'Ashewyn' is somewhat recognized here?
wise dune
when I got hades I tried to put in anyone I knew and none were valid
which I was kind of happy about
-is a person who does not like epic at all-
slender linden
xDD
exotic plank
Wait, can you buy hades other than from Epic games?
slender linden
nope
early access is exclusive so far
it should be an option after the game is finished like a year later
but for now it's a choice to make. now but on epic or ??(steam probably) but gotta wait
wise dune
I will buy it again on steam when it comes out
to support SGG and to never open up Epic launcher again
exotic plank
I know absolutely nothing about epic games, are they that bad?
slender linden
same but ill probably wait to catch a sale
slender linden
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void vigil
@exotic plank if you haven’t bought hades yet, try the Ashewyn creator tag !
exotic plank
Well now I want to wait until it's up on steam. <_<
wise dune
fair
void vigil
well, you’re gonna have to wait like a year or more haha
wise dune
I just have no patients and self control
void vigil
keep that in mind
exotic plank
although… could I transfer a game bought on epic games to another platform like steam later? Or would I have to keep epic games' whole launcher just for one game?
void vigil
I only use the launcher to play hades, but if we’re discussing the epic launcher and it’s upsides and downsides #off-topic-discussion is better suited for that 
oh, looks like risu did give you ashewyn’s name and I just didn’t backread the messages well enough, sorry for the @
no, you will have to re-buy it if you want it on steam as well
exotic plank
Oof, spirits help me, but I'll try to wait.
slender linden
there's this weird option of adding a game to steam from outside of steam's library
but i have no clue how that actually works
and it'd probably act weird if you re-bought it on steam later
wise dune
well you just add ther exe file to your steam list
but you have to open epic to update
slender linden
do you still need both launchers for that?
wise dune
both steam and discord is taking less money to be competetive
frosty mountain
epic is a mixed bug tbh. I don't think it's bad enough to not get the exclusives that are on there if you want them
wise dune
so that might not be true anymore
frosty mountain
did steam change its policy on revenue cut recently?
I wouldn't imagine they did
exotic plank
wait, so if I buy from epic, I give more money to supergiant games than if I bought from steam?
frosty mountain
they have no real need to compete. they have the lion share of the market
sort of. look up the exact details though, I'm going off on some info I got a month ago
idk,
I think that's the case
exotic plank
you know what, this is ridiculous, Imma buy it from epic, I just want to play a game, why does it have to be this hard.
slender linden
XDD
frosty mountain
oof, posted some links in off topic and the bot timed me out
anyway, steam is 70/30 for most games. epic is 88/12. discord is apparently 90/10
wise dune
well to me the argument that steam will have a larger base of people buying the game that it covers that is valid
frosty mountain
I mean, sure, I don't disagree. I also think that epic is objectively inferior in most aspects
just stating some ups and downs
slender linden
yeah but steam also introduces (or already did) that thing that the more copies you sell, the less they take
which means indie games are screwed
frosty mountain
not really. it just means that nothing changes for small games
big games get a better deal tho
slender linden
i think they changed the ratio
frosty mountain
I don't think they changed the base ratio
slender linden
plus indies are usually cheap so they get even less
frosty mountain
I mean, we're talking ratios so not really. it's the same for everyone since everyone chooses the price of their game. the exception is big games
frosty mountain
it's awesome
and it's only gonna get better
it's something to look forward to every month
sick tree
Glad to hear new players are still filtering in and enjoying this delightful game :3
wise dune
my fav part is the interaction with the gods
exotic plank
I'm looking forward to playing it. A friend recommended Hades to me because I enjoyed Asura: Vengeance.