Older controllers sometimes wear down in such a way where adjusting this can help get the feel of things to a better spot.
#h1-discussion
vale drift
alpine silo
I see, thanks
upbeat sequoia
The new chaos boons are so cool 😄
hallow lark
@vale drift maybe it's better to direct this to you and other Supergiant staff - anywhere to get the assets for the new content? or is the stuff on Twitter everything that's available right now?
vale drift
hey yeah the only assets we've posted so far are on Twitter and in our newsletter that's going out today. The Epic Games store also has updated images: https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/hades/home
hallow lark
yeah I grabbed the one tweeted by you guys, and the one by epic games too
fiery pebble
Alright, so
Is it possible to make a mod where every time you get sudden charge, it plays Eurobeat whenever you are charging or letting go of the bull rush
hallow lark
was hoping for a cheeky Artemis render too hehe
fiery pebble
Because this is fun
void vigil
everything is possible if you believe
nimble escarp
SUDDENLY
brisk trail
@hallow lark im slowly but surely adding the raw assets to the wiki!
you can find artemis there already
fiery pebble
Alright, Im pretty sure Artemis is bad and I shouldnt have picked her
Buuuut
I also got sudden charge
buoyant frigate
Is there a team who's working on the french location ?
hallow lark
@brisk trail you are a hero
sacred ledge
first run on the new patch, and i get both aphrodite and poseiden's legendary boons
fiery pebble
So uh
Now sudden charge is so fast
I can no longer see where Im going
All I know is Im fast
brisk trail
no problem!!!!!!
fading sun
Step aside athena, chaos is the new #1 waifu
amber geyser
terse vapor
the game feels incredibly smooth. transitions animations, everything
very impressive
vestal lodge
@gaunt river re: Small complaint: opening the codex does not pause the game, even though it covers up the entire screen. Making it stop the game just like the regular pause menu could prevent some frustrating deaths caused by thinking the game is paused when, in reality, it isn't.
We fixed this in this patch. You can't open the codex during combat anymore. I am going to delete this since it's already been done!
gaunt river
oh, I hadn't noticed, thanks for letting me know!
real fox
Damn that's.. harsh? Care to back up your opinion?
void vigil
spoilers!
neat fjord
crits of 1321 are possible :0
unborn bronze
No spoilers alert. Just my opinion.
void vigil
a new midboss is indeed a spoiler :P
humble slate
It's in the patch notes???
unborn bronze
Lol. They really should change second dominion. It's ugly.
void vigil
in your opinion
vestal lodge
@buoyant frigate I'm not aware of a community team working on a translation, but if there's interest in that sort of thing I'd like to know!
unborn bronze
Ofc
Bcaouse of gameplay. The first level is awesome. And the second one is just like BOOOm! Bush! Press how many buttons as you CAN! Dead? Oh... Your reaction isn't really great.
flint gust
How can I send a message into feedback? ATM says I don't have permission, and I'd like to report a little bug in the new patch.
chilly stump
Hey @flint gust ! Bug reports should be sent via F10 in game, you can view that information in today's Patch Notes.
flint gust
Huh... sorry for bothering then xD
chilly stump
As for posting feedback, please check pins in the #hades-feedback channel.
No worries! Happy to help.
unborn bronze
I've managed to pass through 2nd boss 3 times. And the second level is still ugly to me. Worth nothing.
foggy island
I have beaten the game twice now. Where can i see the Pact?
void vigil
in your room!
unborn bronze
Do you mean increasing game difficulty?
foggy island
is it the thing on the table?
void vigil
yes
foggy island
I might be asking stupid but i need feathers for that which i have not seen.
unborn bronze
Hate this thing. No reward. So it's useless.
humble slate
I'd appreciate it getting something like bonus darkness or coinage attached to each downside, like how limiters give more xp in transistor.
void vigil
you need keys for it
foggy island
wow, i see a 10 on a feather.. and i did not see the 10 keys icon
my feedback is to make the keys icon bigger.
void vigil
you should put it in #hades-feedback !
unborn bronze
I just wonder why didn't they pick up approach of the DeadCells? The games fills the same but in other perspective.
Plot and sound is awesome but the gameplay itself...
It's starving of new features.
hexed smelt
perhaps it's because this game is hades, not dead cells?
wild ingot
The games literally been out for 2 months in early access. If you have that much gripe with it not having that much atm that's most likely because this is still early in development. Maybe try waiting a year or so when it's more fleshed out to make super harsh comments about it and comparing it to completed games? Just my opinion though.
prisma bolt
Hum ... i killed the final boss again.. it was even easier with this update ... i was on a 4 skulls head difficulty ==> 20 minutes
what the point of the additional difficulty? did i win something more?
flint gust
Alright, sent the report
In case anyone's wondering, the names of some of the keepsake's wouldn't be given when you hold the tab key - it'd give stuff like 'ForceAprhroditeBoonTrait_Inactive_Tray' as the text xD
void vigil
thats a known issue apparently!
flint gust
Welp, no harm in sending a report - worst case scenario someone wastes 4 seconds looking at the screenshot and saying 'hm, another one of these'
vale kite
new pfp
winter cobalt
hhhh
void vigil
gdi blego
brisk trail
One message removed from a suspended account.
sterile peak
🙏 NO MORE BLURRY ZAGREUS 🙏
slate thicket
so is nobody gonna talk about how in the promo art Chaos just has a fetus stuck to her lmao
ripe anchor
I guess I was exepcting to much from a major update thingy. But I wanted the third act so desperatly, Jesus. At least I got to see Artemis, and the Chaos is pretty neat. So still a good update I think
slate thicket
a new act monthly doesnt seem likely to me lol
sterile peak
yeah
there's a lot of new stuff
ripe anchor
I know right
But dying after the second boss feels so wrong still, even with a victory screen
gleaming cypress
Well done SG. Great updates to an already great game!
slate thicket
they should add another room after then hydra like the one after meg with some sort of exit back to the house
so that we dont have to dead
empty copper
id wait till atleast march before looking for a new act
The under world only consists of 4 levels in myth so thats what im expecting in total
hexed smelt
@slate thicket chaos uses they/them, just fyi ;)
slate thicket
ah
void vigil
lol sparrow i was just typing that
slate thicket
i havent finished the update yet so i didnt know, sry
my internet is slow so im just looking at the progress bar creep up and sobbing
obsidian delta
Personally, love this update, it actually made the second boss more enjoyable. Though, god all mighty, somebody please help my luck, since I have gotten only 2-3 boons tops throughout my 2 runs ;D
slate thicket
@obsidian delta boost your luck with godly heirlooms 😄
empty copper
also, is it me or does Chaos's face look like a real Diva i love it xD
sterile peak
I like the new artemis art
she's like a less green Huntress Wizard
ripe anchor
Spear + couple of Zeus boons is the way
empty copper
^^^
slate thicket
i mean old art was purely placeholder tbh
empty copper
Gek speaks the truth
slate thicket
would you say light of ixon is worth it now?
obsidian delta
More enjoyment from sword or shield, tbh ;D
livid cargo
@slate thicket nice nickname 
slate thicket
heh ty XD
ripe anchor
slate thicket
bless
empty copper
the bow is nice but spears DPS and versatility is to nice to me
livid cargo
as a big Bastion fan, the power shot feels just so good
empty copper
also yes is amazing
slate thicket
yeah its like they took the breakers bow
fiery pebble
Enemies doing 370% run is fun now
slate thicket
and made it even better
empty copper
hm??
fiery pebble
Now you cant just facetank the numbskulls
empty copper
ah
empty copper
oh god
vale kite
That one punishment buff that increases enemy damage is capped to 100%
mighty path
Cleared a Hydra already, it's not that bad tbh
slate thicket
wait theres I frames?
fiery pebble
Its not
slate thicket
this changes everything
fiery pebble
Ive put in 27 heat into that one pact
270% extra damage
Oh and got hit by a wretch
37 damage
slate thicket
can we trade our keys for heat at this new broker fella
potent tapir
he always changes his deals
slate thicket
ah ok
potent tapir
pretty sure you can exchange anything for anything
mighty path
You can trade darkness as far as I know
potent tapir
if you try often enough
mighty path
but yeah, probably everything for everything
slate thicket
id like to trade Zagreus for Dusa if thats the case thanks
potent tapir
DUSA DLC: Clean up after Zagreus after he made a mess of the underworld.
worn gale
well how about we make her a mini boss
vale kite
Underworld Cleanup Detail
mighty path
No, I don't wanna kill her 
ripe anchor
We have her big sister as a miniboss now
slate thicket
@potent tapir big support
mighty path
slate thicket
big no support for fighting dusa
like
tremendous no
i just want to hug her dangit
worn gale
where she can meet Orpheus
ripe anchor
Boss fight where you are defending Dusa then
worn gale
and every time you kill her, she becomes less corrupted
mighty path
same @slate thicket
vale kite
But does dusa know we're killing her relatives or
worn gale
eventually becoming an npc
slate thicket
@worn gale there will literally never be a situation where hitting dusa is ok
warm laurel
great update! chaos is a lot of fun
slate thicket
assaulting her cousins is bad enough
fiery pebble
You know whats more terrifying than armoured louts?
Armoured louts that do 30 damage
ripe anchor
Duse being sad?
slate thicket
hmmmm
ripe anchor
Oh
mighty path
armored stone bois
slate thicket
yeah im with gek
mighty path
dusa needs her own separate channel tbh
slate thicket
absolutely
ripe anchor
I mean, Dusa is way too precious to make her a hostile character
mighty path
^
ripe anchor
Dusa boss fight will be impossible
fiery pebble
Also Brimstones that do 4 damage per tick
fiery pebble
Im actually happy you get to kill Dusas in Asphodel
ripe anchor
You take it back, sir
ripe anchor
😡
fiery pebble
Jokes aside, they are really easy enemies
mighty path
Even easier with deflect attacks
fiery pebble
However, in a not joking side note, Meg and Artemis > Dusa
ripe anchor
As a Dusexual I am offended
slate thicket
Suggestion: Rename game from "Hades" to "Dusa" because she clearly is the real person running the house
mighty path
slate thicket
hypnos romance content kappa
vale drift
@potent tapir There's quite a bit more Hypnos content in this update for what it's worth!
potent tapir
wait really?
seems i just havent found it yet
oh no now i have to play more hades to unlock it
the horror
😉
slate thicket
@vale drift as long as weve got you here, can you elaborate on the timeline for the Dusa expansion?
slate thicket
lul true
slate thicket
gasp
worn gale
Just like zag with hades
fiery pebble
Also, Megs projectiles do 15 damage now
Fun
I wonder how high you can increase the damage
slate thicket
those projectiles are super easy to avoid anyhow
its like the worlds simplest bullet hell
lilac saddle
I can finally see the B A E Artemis yay
acoustic wave
ay i beat hydra first run of the patch
worn gale
I cant wait until they add the other 5 olimpians
potent tapir
anyone know why i cant post in the feedbackchannel?
tulip lava
read the pinned post
shrewd cove
Dusa is great. Tbh, she is best girl
ripe anchor
Bullethell where you can strike down bullets is more like Bulletpurgatory
potent tapir
i overflew it, whoops
slate thicket
bulletheck
brisk trail
How are yall liking the new update!
@potent tapir please check the pins in #hades-feedback thanks 😄
ripe anchor
Pretty good, sir
slate thicket
im pretty sure theres direct references in game to Dusa being a she
ripe anchor
Less then I expected. But its my problem, not Supergiants. The guys did a great work with the patch
potent tapir
yeah i only overflew it and missed the part where it actually tells me what to do, whoops
ripe anchor
I mean, Dusa is a head with snekhair. She can be whatever she feels like
A very special head with snekhair
fringe lake
being able to stack weaker debuffs seems less useful than spreading stronger debuffs across multiple targets
why use up two casts on a job that one could do
fiery skiff
I think there should be some reward for using debuffs. Also darkness seems useless when you farm 'em enough. Now it seems like you farm tons of darkness and then there is nothing to do
So, maybe add some disposable buffs before start of run which can be purchased with darkness? Or think about another ways to use darkness 🤔
subtle knoll
im 90% certain the cast dmg increase will see some nerf, and in that case the stacking the debuff could get you an effect as strong as it is now
its like keeping it powerful but tuning it down a bit
fringe lake
even if the damage increase drops to 30%, a stacking effect would cause it to drop further to balance
subtle knoll
cause now its press 1 button and you deal 50% more dmg, lets stack that up hit the enemy multiple times, some effort to make more dmg like positioning to backstab
fringe lake
which would even out it's usefulness ostensibly, while requiring more resources
fiery skiff
after hydra?
subtle knoll
i believe one of the new rooms has a faulty wall
wet shore
Managed to dash back after a while
subtle knoll
well dont get hit challange can happen in any room
chilly stump
Actually with standard bugs we'd much prefer them be submitted via the in-game F10 function mentioned in patch notes. 👍
fiery pebble
And thats the 370% damage enemy run complete
wet shore
Already done
tulip veldt
did they increase the animation of the sword Q? it seems even slower than normal... though I haven't played in a few days
fringe lake
duly noted
tulip veldt
lmao and ofc my first room in the new patch, I walk right into a spike trap
fiery pebble
Next time, 450% damage enemy run
Wonder how high this goes
Maybe at some point its a "get hit and you die" run
subtle knoll
to infinity and beyond
fiery pebble
Though so far I did it on spear and Bow
Not sure how easy taking that much damage is on sword
bleak sandal
I've done 1 run on the update.
It feels good. Like the new content. Boss 2 feels better to fight to... He still got me, but it felt like my own failure instead of it just being a massive monster
obsidian delta
I might be mistaken but there seems to be a bug with Poseidon's cast boon and Boss 2, because the cast seems to push him out of place bit by bit to a point where there is no safe place to hide from his melee's. Still need to double check though. And that might just be a really REALLY dumb feature.
chilly stump
Hello! Don't mean to break up any conversation but. Onion! 
errant garden
I've no issue with numbskulls because they get staggered when the armor is broken
go use your basic attack some more
dash through them too
also staggers em
fiery pebble
Oof
At Meg with 1 Death Defiance left
And died
Well, its a lot harder to avoid damage with sword
errant garden
I find it works if you focus on special
fiery pebble
But thats not interesting
errant garden
special with poseidon or athena is very strong
tulip veldt
Does Boiling Blood increase damage taken from Casts beyond the first one? or only from my weapon
potent tapir
yeah it does
errant garden
and any damage
lyric scroll
did anyone else forget that the casts exist before they read the patch notes? i cant believe i forgot them lol
fiery pebble
I think its 500% too
Which is honestly quite absurd
Megs dash does like 60 damage
errant garden
AT 500%, thats 65 in fact
empty copper
jesus
ionic basin
current streak 4. yea boi
errant garden
Hypothetically the biggest hit you can take at 500% is a 100 damage hit
empty copper
true
errant garden
It's really hard not to take damage in some rooms with numbskul spam tho
without cheese
empty copper
thats awesome
tulip veldt
lol the bot muted me for trying to send 2 links in a row.
anyway, the second cast does do more damage than the first
hexed smelt
sorry, that happens sometimes!
tulip veldt
np i get it
untold blade
Hi, Hades is available on Epic right now as Early Access right?
untold blade
Has SG mentioned if they are planning to do a Steam release? And if ever, when?
lime hinge
smacks up against their monitor.
FINISH UPDATING HADES YOU BLEEP
untold blade
Ohh, so no Early Access on Steam then
lime hinge
Correct.
untold blade
Thank you
slate thicket
i literally installed the epic launcher for this game
lime hinge
Ditto.
inland nacelle
@slate thicket i think almost everyone her (except those pesky fortniters 😉 )
untold blade
Man, I uninstalled the Epic launcher (and Fortnite) just a few days before they launched Hades
errant garden
I think, if the effect is multiplicative, you can get an enemy to deal 200 damage to you with the new pact :^)
potent tapir
now we can all play fortnite
tulip veldt
I wish SGG took V-bucks as payment, I had like $100 in vbucks left over from that Note 9 promotion
muted dagger
Dusa would be too good at Fortnite she cleans up 
slate thicket
hey now
tulip veldt
lol
errant garden
@fiery pebble try to make a video where you get an enemy to deal 200 damage to you in one hit.
slate thicket
i know a single person who plays fortnite for the pve mode
theres one of them out there
untold blade
Is Ashley Barrett in this game yet?
untold blade
,,,,,,that's good enough
slate thicket
kek
untold blade
If you could rank it among the other SG games, where would it be
slate thicket
any of our lord and saviour Darren's songs are great though
tulip veldt
I hope Ashley Barrett turns out to be Dusa instead of Orpheus
slate thicket
@untold blade sound track or game in general
untold blade
overall I guess
slate thicket
hmm
its a tie for first with transistor imo
and id have to put the sound track in third or fourth just because the others are so incredible
and this one isnt quite as much my style
potent tapir
i mean the best thing would be if she voices spoiler
untold blade
I see
potent tapir
and we get hear her sing a spoiler for zagreus
slate thicket
SG isnt known for their perfectly happy endings
errant garden
spoilers guy, use the spoiler channel!
untold blade
hard truth right there
void vigil
no spoilers 
potent tapir
no spoiler here officer 😅
untold blade
around how long does it take to play the first playthrough (I'm assuming NG+ is a thing)
void vigil
the game isnt even finished yet, so theres no ng+ per se
alpine stratus
theres soooo much art update yes!!!
tulip veldt
Dusa's been working hard
void vigil
a full run rn can take like 30 minutes or more probably? and it depends on your skill level in how many or few runs you will be able to clear the current available content
slate thicket
god bless dusa
untold blade
mmm I see
void vigil
so theres a lot of hours to get out of the game in its current state
slate thicket
@void vigil seems run time is down overall
void vigil
took me around 50 runs iirc
slate thicket
i had mediocre perks my first run through of the update and got a new PR
at 26 minutes anyhow
nothing too speedy compared to people who are good at video games im sure but it lines up with what alma is saying
untold blade
thank you
untold blade
I really know nothing about Hades rn haha I want to be blown away once I play it for the first time
fiery pebble
Also, it goes above 500%
errant garden
at this point you might as well add a pact option
slate thicket
or do you just suffer more
errant garden
that's just
fiery pebble
You just suffer more
errant garden
: U hit , U die
void vigil
no
slate thicket
neat
void vigil
spoilers
fiery pebble
Right
Barely died on the last boss
Turns out when every attack does 50 damage
You die a lot
errant garden
sounds like I'd need to turn on my cheese powers to win runs like that 😛
slate thicket
i have no cheese powers
fiery pebble
I mean melee seems impossible
slate thicket
id just die instantly
slate thicket
my cheese power is the rapid fire bow with curse of pain
since you dont suffer any damage falloff on your curses its just a delayed damage machine gun
potent tapir
short question do gods not have special dialogue when youre very low anymore?
vale drift
@potent tapir They each have it, but it's currently set to only play once for each event. So you can essentially burn through them. We may change this later especially as we add more unique variants.
proven briar
Wait sorry for the stupid question how do you install the update
brisk trail
Hey, just ran into a bug with Hydra boss. It got stuck inside one of the pillars, and now is "Impervious" \
hexed smelt
relaunch the launcher!
fiery pebble
Oof
proven briar
Thank you so much
brisk trail
Just be carefull
fiery pebble
Got oneshot by a wretch
hexed smelt
press f10 while ingame
marble sphinx
didn't beat it but got it down to 25% which is a first
patent umbra
I love the design of Chaos
hexed lynx
Got several of us streaming it right now. Nice
frosty pewter
I Really would like to see achievements in this game
slender linden
early access
hasty frost
is the ambrosia bottles out of the loot pool?
or just way more rare
bc normally i would see 2 or three per run but ive seen a total of 
zero in 2
well no only one
slate thicket
i got a pair last run
hasty frost
okay my rng is just being rude to me
slate thicket
they also come out of the spooky chests
brisk trail
most likely
hasty frost
its know i just wanna give a ton to [REDACTED]
slate thicket
that make you fight more stuff
hasty frost
brisk trail
what a noble goal
slate thicket
lul
slate thicket
chaos was on promo art in announcements for whatever thats worth
and its called the chaos update
frosty mountain
shameless dusa fanboy giving the best feedback
hasty frost
i like have afeeling but just 2 b sure
frosty mountain
pots destroyed decor when
slate thicket
@frosty mountain i may or may not smash every single pot always
frosty mountain
I see you're a man of dusa worship as well
slate thicket
damn right
brisk trail
Hi guys, so. I'm using the Shield of Chaos, and for some reason, after a Dash, I can attack extremely fast, twice. My boons do not affect the Shield of Chaos' attack speed or Dash in any way, so I am... unsure if this should happen at all. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nbtyviswen7aya/2019-01-16 01-28-17.mp4?dl=0
fiery pebble
Youre doing a dash attack followed by a regular attack
brisk trail
Yes, twice.
slate thicket
yeah every wep has a dash special
fiery pebble
Since your dash attack uses the same animation, which has little ending lag, you get to attack twice quickly
brisk trail
Oooh. Okay!
slate thicket
bow charges faster, sword tracks to an enemy, and shield is a double
brisk trail
Is that intended?
slate thicket
i have no clue bout spear aside from the dash spin
fiery pebble
Appears that way, yes
brisk trail
That's pretty neat.
slate thicket
but they all have some sort of dash special yeah
i actually hate the dash spec on sword tbh
it doesnt work with world splitter
fiery pebble
Has someone managed to complete a run where enemies do 500% damage?
slate thicket
id pay to see that streamed
fiery pebble
If I could stream, Id try it some more
slate thicket
yeah my internet rn is one meg up or id be streaming for sure
fiery pebble
Its more that the game already gets frame drops as is
Streaming would make it worse
fiery pebble
I got a GTX 750 and an AMD FX-4300
I imagine you see the issue
And upgrading is too much effort, so I dont
normal zephyr
I would be tempted to stream...but I run Hades on my laptop.
slate thicket
too much money perhaps? bc i definitely feel that
fiery pebble
Building the thing itself, then setting up everything I had on my old PC
normal zephyr
Transferring your data?
slate thicket
you can replace components on your current pc
or literally just move the hard drive over
fiery pebble
Id have to replace practically everything
slate thicket
respectfully disagree
you can get a major facelift with just a new gpu and ram
but hey, its your call haha
fiery pebble
My bottleneck is the CPU
And swapping it out means swapping out PSU and Motherboard
slate thicket
ahh right old amd cpus are crap
if you want to avoid the effort you could always order something from ibuypower or xidax
fiery pebble
Possible, but that only saves the building the thing, not the copying of settings
I imagine Ill have to eventually though, but Ill try to avoid it as long as possible
fiery pebble
I am, but I tend to play low requirements online games and older single player games
Yknow, stuff like League, GW2, and stuff like Bayonetta
slate thicket
mmm i see
i play destiny 2 and anything the far cry franchise puts out so i def need performance
i also do some recreational streaming :p
livid cargo
uh, if you click the update button, should it basically instantly start downloading the update?
ah nvm
low venture
OOOH MAN ARTEMIS LOOKS SO COOL!
brazen stone
Those lights on the ceiling are new right?
Or am I just going mad 
In the greenish rooms
stark dune
@fiery pebble just grab a 1050ti and wait for the money to upgrade to a mobo bundle with a 3rd gen ryzen3. Ram prices will be going down again over the next few months.
fiery pebble
I mean Ive got the money, I just dont like spending it, especially if its a pain
clear nebula
that feeling
stark dune
Swapping out a gpu isn't really a pain they are plug and play for the most part
clear nebula
oh i thought it goes in here sorry
wooden quartz
is anyone else feelign like their attacks are being prematurely triggered when charging them?
esp. with the shield
i cant seem to charge ti up anymore
zag just sort of. stands there
void vigil
checking the channel descriptions might b helpful if youre not sure!
wooden quartz
half the time
stark dune
not noticed that myself but only tried it with skelly so will have to test
fading hearth
anyone else think Chaos is a SNACK or am I just wack
alpine stratus
YOURE RIGHT!!!!
spring cipher
Is it just me or is hades strangely intensive on the PC?
is there something wrong?
torn quiver
I did have to close a bunch of other stuff when I launched it just now to make it stop lagging
spring cipher
Its currently using 80ish of my cpu
slate thicket
@fading hearth i just can't go for homies with a floating fetus stuck to them otherwise big yes
void vigil
@steep sandal @spark beacon your feedbacks about lag were deleted because theyre bugs, please use F10 in-game to report those
uneven cloak
I'm no stranger to dungeon roguelites. But is it possible for Hades to try to mimic the randomized boss formula of Binding of Isaac or Gungeon?
void vigil
yep
spark beacon
okay, i'll do that in the future
void vigil
better write them down, i always forget my questions if i dont
fiery pebble
Nah, Ill remember them
Its mostly about rewards for pact, changes to base combat, and the overnerfing of some boons/gods
fading hearth
@slate thicket idk man the fetuses definitely add to his/its charm
void vigil
yeah, thats what i always tell myself 
alpine stratus
chaos uses they btw!
spark beacon
i'd like to know how they feel about the size of this update & how it compares to what they think future updates will look like
but that may be asking too much
spark beacon
dash bash dash bash dash bash dash bash
void vigil
#h1-builds-and-combat might be a better channel for that!
fiery pebble
Nah I do think thats a valid question
Because this was a very content-light update, more focused around systems
void vigil
also, q&a's are for all relevant questions! feel free to ask
thats a good one id like to see it answered
proven briar
I wonder if we'll get a heavy art update
spark beacon
yeah it seems to me like, the launch was the "test" - can you make a game that's fun to play & beat
the chaos update is "well we know it's good enough once, so let's make it much more replayable without adding tooooo much to scare people off"
but idk i'm just a music major
alpine stratus
im lov them....
void vigil
chaos use they/them pronouns, btw
spark beacon
is chaos nb or is chaos just a really hot guy made of everything
alpine stratus
chaos is nb!
void vigil
but still hot
alpine stratus
theyre talked abt w they/them and described as a "gentlebeing"
spark beacon
let me rephrase
fiery pebble
Chaos is beyond gender
spark beacon
"chaos is a really hot enby made of everything and we stan"
alpine stratus
from now om instead of ladies n gentlemen we should just b like GENTLEBEINGS
humble pollen
Chaos is too cool for gender
I like “foolish mortals” as a solid gender neutral address
void vigil
gentlebeings is good
somber snow
i was just abt 2 say how happy i am abt supergiants nb representation
spark beacon
"guys, gals, and nonbinary pals"
humble pollen
Also solid: “comrades” and “cats”
fiery pebble
Lots of gender neutral ways of calling someone
alpine stratus
chaos voice gender? i never even seen her!
spark beacon
zag is bi too isn't he
alpine stratus
Yes!!
fiery pebble
Pal, buddy, friend, comrade
alpine stratus
Yup
spark beacon
yeah he flirted with achilles in an ambrosia cutscene
fiery pebble
Its rather heavily implied at any rate
somber snow
WE POPPIN BIGGEST BOTTLES
spark beacon
and also with meg
alpine stratus
confirmed out of game by greg
spark beacon
so bi
somber snow
MY LONGEST YEAH BOY EVER
spark beacon
yeah byyyyyyyyyy
somber snow
supergiant is the one video game company i trust
spark beacon
thank
fiery pebble
Well, I guess Ill play a bit more Hades tomorrow
Might go back to waiting for content updates though
spark beacon
i haven't gotten through all the new voice lines yet but i think i've seen everything else otherwise
mellow ravine
Just beat hydra with 25 heat. Anyone else bummed they didn’t add a 3rd area with harder difficulty?
faint sinew
yo did they change the animation for bullrush?
spark beacon
took me like 5 hours on a fresh save to get to everything
they changed the arrow
that's all
spark beacon
they changed all the arrows
bleak sandal
Bruh, that culture was real open with homosexuality an bisexuality....
And the artist have done well to depict Mediterranean people fairly well
fiery pebble
This content did some good things
faint sinew
i agree
fiery pebble
Though it did lower the difficulty a bit much, and the pacts dont give rewards
spring cipher
Gender? I hardly know her!
spark beacon
i have quite mixed feelings
fiery pebble
Also not perfectly happy with Artemis' nerfs
faint sinew
gender is irrelivant when your a hand
mellow ravine
It didn’t feel like a “big” content update. Just a few small additions, and no map progression 😦
bleak sandal
still best girl
fiery pebble
Thats how Id call it, yeah
It wasnt really all that big
But this was the first update after a winter break
So idk
Maybe this is just the exception ot the rule
bleak sandal
Feels pretty big with 2 new baddies, bunch of updates, and new encounter types... Plus a new currency
mellow ravine
There’s no actual new map to progress through though.
void vigil
i personally didnt really expect a new area? all that art and stuff must take a very long time
mellow ravine
Adding 2 mobs and a difficulty slider is nice though, not complaining about that
void vigil
theres an all new character with all new boons, and some all new mechanics
bleak sandal
New area will be a massive update... Plus they may not have released everything they got ATM... Just what's good
fiery pebble
I mean I didnt expect an area either tbh
void vigil
thats pretty big for me. i think expecting a new area every month is unrealistic
fiery pebble
Buuuut I did expect a weapon, or some major touchups to the boons
Instead we got a little bit more of the same, and a few systems that arent quite in the right place yet
mellow ravine
I really hope there’s at least 5-6 areas on launch
inland gust
I’m hoping to see titans
somber snow
do we know how many areas theyre planning on adding?
spark beacon
on one hand, Chaos is a fantastic addition to the game, as it sorely needed more "risk/reward" mechanics to offset the small amount of boons, and it feels great to fight with whatever restrictions are put on you. The balance changes generally made the game feel better. I like the new rooms a TON and they look great.
on the other hand... While the Pact is cool to consider and you can create some fun challenge runs as a result of that, I don't think they do enough to increase the replay value. I feel like an addition like the Pact this early in the game's existence should be something to interact with during progression. And one new addition to an existing system (Chaos) is cool but no new weapons, no more floors, 1 new (easy) miniboss, and pretty big nerfs to bosses and buffs to boons making the game easier... I dunno. I like what was added but I feel like it should have been slightly more substantial just because it's the first major update.
but I know nothing about game development and I don't know how much time and effort each of those things takes, so I don't know what I should reasonably expect.
fiery pebble
I think Pacts do add replay value, but there is too little incentive to really invest yourself in them
Also, I feel like the pacts in question arent all great
Damage up is very fun
spark beacon
i like the more enemies one quite a bit
fiery pebble
But health up, death defy on enemies and more enemies just makes it more tedious
There is no change in behaviour
Or really anything more interesting
Just slows you down
Wouldve preferred to see more unique stuff
Like the buffs they get during trials of the gods
spark beacon
i was literally just about to say that
this is also a weird one but i would love if they found the time to make different sounds for the weapons hitting different enemies
like the brimstones and voidstones could have a "shatter" esque sound on hit, but the louts would be softer hits, or the bloodless would crack like bones
that would be a really cute touch that doesn't add anything that i would adore
spring cipher
Im just trying to figuire out why hades runs wonky
spark beacon
as an aspiring sound designer i might just try to do some of that for fun anyways to see if it would sound good
take some recordings of footage and replace the effect in post
just for fun
light fog
I saw the pact stuff and it was like "wanna spend resources to make your life suck with no trade off?" And I was like... Nah.
light fog
Yeah, I'm just not about that life.
I'll play anything on hard mode, but self imposed limitations just ain't my thing.
hexed lynx
I'll probably go into that later
spring cipher
I wanna be able to consistently streak the game
hexed lynx
I'm honestly slightly disappointed in the patch, was expecting a little more than just having Chaos added
I do really like Chaos though
spring cipher
I have lower expectations and am just gald the game will get regular attention
spark beacon
but i don't think that should be on me
hexed lynx
I mean it's nice that next month will have another big patch
spring cipher
Ik supergiant has tenacitt and drive
spark beacon
one other thing about pacts that i don't like is the philosophy of having heat in rooms
that's saying that it's something you should be using
no matter what
you should be spending your heat because we're making it a pickup you get from playing the game normally
i don't like that
faint sinew
i LOVE the new traiding system
spark beacon
yes that's also fantastic
spring cipher
I think it could use some work
hexed lynx
The trading system is great
spring cipher
Feels bare bones atm.
hexed lynx
good use for all the damn keys I have
spring cipher
But idk how to improve it
distant escarp
havent played new patch yet, what is heat used for?
long sandal
So is there extra rewards for making the runs harder via the pact?
spark beacon
nope
light fog
Heat is basically useless. I have keys for days.
spark beacon
heat is used with the new Pact system to make runs more challenging with no reward - it's the literal "challenge run" concept
make it harder because it's more fun and that's it
light fog
And I've maxed everything but the boons drop rate stuff.
spark beacon
which is fair! absolutely!
but idk i'm not a fan of it being in rooms as you try to get better, it should definitely be an end-of-run reward though
long sandal
Well that sucks.. challange runs that need heat!?! Odd design
light fog
But for those of us who either haven't got good or just don't have anything to prove... Heat basically is just a dead room.
Like, I'd rather have darkness. Even if I have nothing to spend it on, at least it gets useful with Nyx item.
light fog
Yeah I've avoided keys for a while now. O figure I'll pick the ambrosia up though for when they pop the locks off the npc progression.
I haven't quite stacked up enough to finish it all off ahead of time yet.
I stopped playing ahead of time to avoid doing stuff like that.
spark beacon
i feel like i'm being really negative and i don't want to be
fiery pebble
Same
spark beacon
i love the game & im probably never gonna stop playing it because it's REALLY frickin fun
fiery pebble
But I guess so long as its constructive criticism, its good?
cosmic meadow
ay yo
spark beacon
but i have my issues that i feel like should be brought up because early access
light fog
fiery pebble
Dont give Hades more ideas
Well, there is gonna be an AMA this friday
So thats probably the best opportunity to ask hard-hitting questions
I know I will
spark beacon
okay i'm gonna grind my keepsakes
novel hollow
Aaaah I love how Artemis looks!
sterile peak
eventually
opaque veldt
thnx
quick skiff
I have done 4 runs now and still haven't seen a gorgon 😦
sterile peak
it's not always guaranteed, it's like the twin bombers in tartarus
quick skiff
I've seen megagorgon, I thought that's the new mini boss, I haven't seen the regular gorgon, is that the same thing?
sterile peak
think so
dark tusk
So what is the new use for keys and darkness and the like? I heard heat is for this punishment pact so it's like what to do with the rest?
grand crystal
you can trade with the broker
quick skiff
you can use keys to open some treasure troves and you can trade them
grand crystal
hes in the lounge
quick skiff
keys also unlock the pacts
dark tusk
what does the broker offer?
grand crystal
an item for others
quick skiff
it's random
grand crystal
like heat for shade
quick skiff
there are 3 offers every run
sterile peak
its very clearly mentioned that the exchange rates are awful btw
weak anchor
Are the new boons spoilers?
quick skiff
no?
grand crystal
^
quick skiff
in the blood well you get the new boons, they give you a bad effect for x rooms in exchange for a really good buff
weak anchor
5 Chaos boons in a single run. Bone Hourglass ftw
quick skiff
haha sick
weary sentinel
Just hit 1k+ with your casts is all
quick skiff
the +3 cast and the +64% attack I find pretty good
grand crystal
the death defy is nice tho
quick skiff
there's one that gives +hp, does anyone know if that's max hp or just a heal
humble pollen
Heal
tawny tundra
Found a bug. How can I report it?
humble pollen
Grabbed it last run
main magnet
F10!
quick skiff
It's worded as a heal, just seemed really bad compared to the rest of them, thanks!
humble pollen
Yup!
alpine stratus
jfjfng i finaly got a boat level..... i see now
void vigil
guys please, no final boss spoilers in this chat ;-;
lone warren
post a imgur link maybe?
grand crystal
he looks a lot bigger now
candid nebula
lone warren
THICC BOI
candid nebula
humble pollen
Big boye
candid nebula
it's just a little bugged https://imgur.com/a/uYz9Ze9
humble pollen
Ability to fly seems handy
rough vessel
is the pact of punishment addition in this patch just for flexing, or does it provide some bonus to runs?
humble pollen
Flexing!
alpine stratus
"GET ON TOP OF THE FRIDGE" "THIS HOUSE IS A FREAKING NIGHTMARE"
prisma wind
If they ever add a leaderboard, then you will be able to flex to the whole world
dark tusk
Question: what happens if you get hit in a no hit trial?
grand crystal
i just got a 1 hp onion
twin mason
humble pollen
No discussing final boss in this channel please~~
Better fit for #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat
somber pawn
wait
solar coral
Chaos is pretty cool, finally a real point to the blood gates
hexed lynx
Chaos' keepsake is better too
I really do like the upgrading Keepsake system
Definitely one of the better changes
humble pollen
Time to actually try all of them out
Since I’m a completionist who needs everything to be filled out
grand crystal
same
humble pollen
And now there’s some amount of motivation to do so 😛
hexed lynx
I wish it had achievement system already lol
The only system like that sorta right now is the Codex
grand crystal
so when i get 5 kills with one bow shot im not just like that was cool
and thats it
humble pollen
Pot breaking achievement pls
grand crystal
an achievement system would be nice but would it give rewards?
hexed lynx
That would be a cool way to get decor
through achievements rather than just buying them
grand crystal
yea since one time i had 600 coin and the 2 mini shops i got didnt have the aphrodite wall scroll and i really dont want to waste a run with coin purse
hexed lynx
well I already bought all the decor
so it's not an issue for me now, but I would have enjoyed getting them through achievements instead for sure
or maybe one of the things you get through Gift giving is the decor for all the different characters
Would also be ok with that
humble pollen
I mean, at least Aphro was a bit of an achievement, it isn’t trivial to get that wall scroll
But I’d def love achievement swag to decorate the room with
somber pawn
whenever i get 500g i never get the poster in the wells 😔
prisma wind
It took me several runs in a row of actively trying for it before I had both 500 
and a shop with the scroll in it
You'll get there soon enough
humble pollen
Just takes some work, yeah 😛 With enough tries it’ll happen!
slate bronze
Stupid question: I can't open the codex with c. It has never worked, although after the latest patch it now shows an x above my head. Is this something that needs to be unlocked?
grand crystal
how many runs have you done
after a certain amout of runs, achillies gives you the codex
slate bronze
I've done 39
grand crystal
geez idk then
slate bronze
It is entirely possible that I somehow didn't talk to achillies enough
grand crystal
you neglected the 2nd best boi
granite field
The first is Cerebus I’m assuming
grand crystal
yes
slate bronze
The first 3 are Cerberus
grand crystal
but one head seems fun, one ok, and one dark and depressed
vale drift
@slate bronze We fixed an issue where the event granting the Codex could happen later than expected. Please try talking to Achilles again once or twice and chances are you'll get it if you don't have it already.
slate bronze
Sounds good, thanks
Of course, right now he's "out for a bit", so ill have to do a run or two until he shows up
tropic panther
The new trader is a scam?
next plover
He's a p bad deal a lot of the time, but if the little descriptions he has are anything to go by, that's on purpose
pliant tulip
Well, in preparation for the Q/A , what are some questions people are planning to ask?
Personally, I'm curious on how SG's own venture into Greek mythology was, and how they went about repurposing it.
next plover
Maybe how they're choosing what goes into a big update? A lot of people seem to be thinking about that
Though yea asking how they're going with the lore of the game is way up in my interests
pliant tulip
Knowing what their priorities are and their process of taking in feedback is beneficial in both ways as it means we'll be able to send more effective feedback.
brisk trail
I don’t think lore questions are very pertinent as the answer will either be a) we’re working on it/it’s not done yet or b) a spoiler that is better left for us to discover in the game ourselves. Asking about the nature of the feedback they want/use is a great idea though
olive jungle
can say from experience that SGG is cagey at best about lore questions, even with their long-finished games, lol
process questions, game dev questions, asking about inspirations, favorite media, what they think of the early access process so far, those are more the speed of this, probably
or just fun questions, if you have any 😂
like "what's your favorite breed of dog" or something lol
brisk trail
We should probably try to ask questions that directly relate to hades
As I think that’s the point of the Q&A in the first place
olive jungle
ah yes, i see that now lol
prisma wind
I mean, it's an Ask Supergiant, not Ask About Hades 😛 
brisk trail
No, it is an ask about hades I think from what was posted
olive jungle
Greg did say in his announcement that he's taking questions about Hades but i also don't think they'd mind fun questions
prisma wind
(yes I know the topic they mentioned is Hades)
olive jungle
Now that may mean they pass over fun questions if there are too many relevant questions to answer
but yeah
generally hades-related, lol
brisk trail
I think it’s just better to keep it focused and not have 50 people ask their favourite breed of dog because they missed the last 49 times it happened haha
olive jungle
yeah lol i getcha
but anyways. yeah lore questions are likely to get evasive answers at best
brisk trail
Fellas been liking the update?
thick sphinx
Feel too strong 😦
lime hinge
I'm not the biggest fan of having Heat as an option in the chamber pool, but...
slate thicket
the real 200 IQ play is dashing out of the blood pool after you die so you arent stuck with a long animation
prisma wind
I am liking it! I love the Chaos design 
I do miss Quick Temper and OP crit-dash builds
frosty briar
Favorite Greek Myth
gray canyon
My question for SGG on Friday, what's with all the enemies that are just heads? Gorgons, numbskulls, skull-crushers, hydra (kinda). Anybody have any theories?
slate thicket
they all got beheaded in the real world : ^)
zealous timber
@slate thicket if you F10 the issue and describe where it is (or put a screenshot in #hades-feedback) we should be able to track it down.
slate thicket
i tried to f10 it, got a windows error with the submission form after id already closed it
its not a serious bug anyhow, seems like the pot was behind the wall's terrain mesh
zealous timber
Yeah, understood. We just have it out for unbreakable pots, too.
slate thicket
a shared goal, then!
i think the game with peak pot breaking was bastion, and it was downhill from there with transistor and pyre
so its nice to see a return to the studio's real mission
prisma wind
I knew Artemis' shiny new art reminded me of something and I finally figured it out! San from Princess Mononoke
drowsy karma
Was already noted by someone yesterday.
slate thicket
well gosh, maybe he wants to note it too :c
drowsy karma
Did he buy note exclusivity rights, though?
prisma wind
Apologies, I didn't backread chat due to the insane volume of messages while I was at work 😛
slate thicket
i dont think anyone should be backreading chat in a server this big
youd never keep up XD
prisma wind
I backread most of the time when it's not uber-busy
hexed smelt
i backread it when i wake up but somehow i’m not feeling like i should try that this morning
prisma wind
Today was too much though
olive jungle
i hadn't touched the update yet when i woke up so I haven't backread anything and I don't intend to start lol
hexed smelt
it’s my reward for putting up with everyone when we were in Update Limbo yesterday
prisma wind
I'm in a bunch too, but I'm only really active in this one and one other, and the other I'm a mod in so I kind of have to at least glance at everything 🙃
Oh! Sparrow! Happy birthday 🍰
hexed smelt
thanks! i have to get ready for work soon and then i’ll be home most of the day, just checking in first ❤
cold plover
loving the udate! :)
it's great and it's fun
and while I miss OP quick temper builds, I'm also glad it's gone
But I think the new hunter's dash solves indeed the problem of it only affecting attack and being OP
But it's still required for everything because it's still the only big damage boost that affects boons of other gods
Also I'm not sure, but is it intended, that it goes up from normal to epic in 5% intcrements (10%/15%/20%) but the POM increases it by 10%?
I thought upgrade in rarity equals 1 POM (But maybe I'm totally wrong here)
void vigil
pretty sure that’s intentional?
cold plover
I don't know, maybe
or probably
just saw it and thought it was unexpected, that's all
brisk trail
Hey, I hope this chat is the right one to ask this, but: I couldn't help notice that Hades' price went down from 69 TL (around 13 $) when I bought it on day one to 32 TL now, which is more than half off. Was there a price drop, or is it just Epic Store adjusting the regional pricing? I hate to feel I missed out on a deal just because I was an early adopter. Thank you.
olive jungle
Just regional pricing!
brisk trail
@olive jungle Thank you for clarification!
mortal plover
im stuck on a level in Asphodel, enemies dont spawn and i cant exit the level
anyone else got this problem?
hexed smelt
just checking, have you run round the room a bit
it sounds daft but i thought i got a dud room too once but it turned out it was one of those with the new skullcrusher enemies
gleaming crane
Yeah, three possibilities:
- enemy you have not seen (could be a voidstone or something in the lava somewhere?)
- did not pick up the room reward (remember if it's a trial, the second boon will appear where it was when you first entered the room)
- bug
void vigil
yeah the first encounter with skullcrushers sure seems like an empty room
hexed smelt
it was funny when suddenly the terrain started trying to kill me
“huh. guess this is a new bug, maybe i should repor— OH GOD WHAT”
mortal plover
i have seen the new enemy before and i took down every pillar in the room
hexed smelt
are you still in that room?
mortal plover
yea
hexed smelt
press f10 in game and report it as a bug!
mortal plover
2 gorgons and 2 bombskellies and nothing else, no drop no spawns
hexed smelt
i’m sure they wanna get that stamped out ^^
mortal plover
arite