also works with the bow
#h1-discussion
tardy patio
small lake
It repositions and then launches the attack from the new location
small lake
Generally with bow you want to Dash first and then charge, cuts the draw time in half
grand crystal
i feel like the shield and bow are much better with a cast build
they to me are more support weapons
small lake
Bow is fantastic by itself, but shield really augments cast strats
Bow hits like a train
tardy patio
sword has the highest dmg
sacred ledge
goodnight bubole
tardy patio
that world splitter ๐
small lake
World Splitter is high damage, but itโs limited to whatโs right in front of you
Bow and spear are whatever is on your screen
grand crystal
how good is the triple shot on bow??
small lake
And whatever is hiding behind them usually
grand crystal
i just got it in a starting hammer
small lake
Overpowered
prisma wind
Triple Shot on bow is whatever you have for a single shot, except times 3 on every metric
grand crystal
jeez ok
small lake
Dash in and shotgun whatever you want to have an awful day
grand crystal
cool beans
small lake
If you get Poseidon, it triples knockback and wall slam damage too
prisma wind
It's very easy to one-shot everything in the game right now with a Triple Shot build
grand crystal
ok, hope i dont die
prisma wind
Well, except Meg and Hydra main head
prisma wind
They are listed on the Hades wiki (gamepedia) for each god
sacred ledge
i searched for a wiki the other day and couldn't find one!
prisma wind
There's a link pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat
sacred ledge
oh yes. haha, i see that now
grand crystal
i got an epic curse of agony and posiedon dash, this run will be fun
sacred ledge
muahahaha. the hydra fell to the shield. all weapons have been conquered
grand crystal
is orpheus's appearance off of run count?
olive jungle
I believe so, yeah
hexed smelt
about 15, i think
somber snow
yeah i saw them after my 15th
scarlet cedar
I ve heard that there is second time you can use your bed. Any idea how to do this?
void vigil
there is no second time
scarlet cedar
So I ve been lied to
minor hornet
after a few runs you can use it and there's a story blurb, if I recall correctly
but that's the one
prisma wind
Sleep is for the dead, Doc. Luckily, I'm a ghost ๐ป
small lake
Iโm so very tired
humble pollen
Same friend
prisma wind
If I weren't a ghost, and actually had sleep habits, they would be awful...
sinful idol
This game is amazing
pliant tulip
Artemis fangirling over Achilles is quite odd. While this Artemis is rather kindly in contrast to her usual mythological depictions, her admiring Achilles strains disbelief.
Artemis' main and only role in the Trojan War was preventing the Greeks from sailing to Troy. This was either due to King Agamemnon killing one of her sacred deer in an hunt or because she wanted to save the countless sons headed to their deaths and spare their families the sorrow. In both cases, Agamemnon sacrifices his daughter as tribute to Artemis which lets the Greeks finally land on Troy, and both cases don't exactly imply she would be an Achilles fangirl.
vital belfry
๐คท
Interpretation of myth, not a 1:1 representation. I think she respects a good fighter when she sees one.
dark tusk
I am the worst, I want to suggest removing caps on the mirror effects. 100% epic chance and 100 death defiances baby 
quartz blade
i think there is also the intended joke of artemis fangirling over a guy who got rekt by arrow
olive jungle
yeah, sgg is taking liberties with myths obviously, it'd be pretty restraining if they could only tell the same stories that already exist
warm sierra
so if you kill yourself before a trial of the gods apparently you will still get the boosted mobs on your first room of your second run
kinda shows how broken the bow is when you can deal with two waves of lava land enemies before getting any boosts
prisma wind
Interesting... did you submit a bug report for that? That's a good one!
dark tusk
You know, i got a question since i was wondering: since one of the mirror effects gives rare boon chance and one gives epic boon chance, wouldn't it be smart to just wait to unlock epic, pump it into that, and not "dilute" the chances for epic?
prisma wind
That is what some people do, it's entirely up to the player. I have them both unlocked, upgrade Epic and throw any spare change into Rare. It's still worth putting points into Rare, and it doesn't dilute the chance for Epic
dark tusk
how would it not dilute the chances though? i'm not the best with percentage chance in games
prisma wind
But try it for yourself and see, I suppose
If you want to look at it in very simple terms (may not reflect actual math of the game), start with, say, 75% chance common, 20% rare, and 5% epic as the baseline for boon rarity. When you increase rare/epic, you are essentially trading out common %chance for the higher tier. In this example, at max for both you'd have 70% rare chance and 30% epic chance, with no common
But if you don't increase rare and just max epic, you still end up with 30% epic, but now the alternative is mostly common
dark tusk
ah i see
thank you
it's a moot point since i can't get the game yet anyway. I'm mainly curious since i want to be a part of the community and talks about it even if i will have to wait for full release
prisma wind
I should point out that, again, that math is very simple and almost certainly isn't how the game works
pliant tulip
I'm not asking for a retelling of the myths. That would be ridiculous considering that everyone takes liberties when making a story based in mythology. That being said, I will take grievance with characters if they feel poorly executed as Artemis' fangirling is.
brisk trail
they just changed the character lol, that's well within the parameters of taking creative liberties with a source myth
if you take issue with that you should take issue with well over the majority of how the mythological characters are represented in this game becuase none of it is accurate at all but its clearly not trying to be and would be worse off for it. I can understand thinking a god fangirling over a human is an egregious change from how they were initially imagined, but the humour in the situation is presumably what they were going for.
tulip lava
i wouldn't even call the tone of that line 'fangirling'
she's a goddess and achilles is still a mortal, they're not even on the same level
frigid lintel
I honestly don't think it's that weird hey, the male gods routinely went after humans and screwed them, and it's not that squee level fangirl, it's more a healthy admiration
I personally love all the interplay between the cast, really breathes some life into the game even in beta
Can't wait to see where else they take it...like imagine how angry Hera would be if you chose Zeus' boon over hers? that would be like enabling pro mode haha
tulip lava
trial of god lines seem to be generic right now, although sometimes when you just pick up a boon the god comments on another god whose boon you have?
that's fun
dark tusk
so do we know what is coming on the 15th yet
olive jungle
nope
little fable
I agree, I really wish the trial lines were different based on the matchup
There are so man possibilities with situations like the battle of Troy setup or Ares vs Athena or Poseidon and Zeus
tulip lava
aphrodite and artemis ohhhhh boy
arctic raptor
hey guys, just wanted to ask, with this version of the game, how many hours on average can I get outta this game (including testing out all the weapons)?
brazen stone
I've probably put in 10-20 hours but it's hard to judge without a time tracker
YMMV wildly depending on how enjoyable you find the gameplay and runs
karmic trellis
I would say that is fair
hexed smelt
i'm currently at 48 escape attempts
bronze sparrow
Managing to get a decent win rate at that point or still getting stuck somewhere?
gleaming crane
The Epic launcher has a lot to do to get up to Steam's speed on that front. No time tracker, no screenshot key, no way to just launch the game by just right clicking the tray icon, and the window always takes half a minute to open.
Started getting past Meg regularly after my 12th run. Beat the last boss on my first encounter with it on the 23rd run and on my second encounter on the 25th run. I mostly die in the middle of Asphodel right now.
void vigil
lets move last boss talk to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat please!
bronze sparrow
ah my mistake
bleak sandal
Looking forward to see when Arty gets her own sprite
Also, not sure whom has the coolest crystal spell boon... but thus far Art is my go to. Ares can do some damage, but the high damage homing shot seems to be best to deal with the little doods at a distance
tidal finch
Poseidon is great too, big AOE damages, easy to hit and keep monsters away.
fickle karma
Love Zeus cast
karmic trellis
with extra bounces boon its very fun to watch
bleak sandal
I like hooking zeus up to my spear
bleak sandal
Hope we can one day get weapons/boons from the castle folks... I want a Dusa weapon.
alpine stratus
hey sparrow?? since WHEN do they have faces
void vigil
THEY ALWAYS HAD
bronze sparrow
their made of soul. The shield they produce is them literally sharing how little they care with the rest of the enemies. Not even a joke check the codex
tidal finch
I think those blue crystals should be able to protect each other, that would totally be fair and not frustrating
Blue crystal dudes lives matter!!!
bronze sparrow
Of course 100% balance
Imagine the lava boat level if they could shield each other
hexed smelt
yeah they've always had faces,,
paper peak
I feel like every time I've looked into the feedback channel for the past few days it's been a mixture of "make the game easier" or "add more stuff lul"
brazen stone
we're definitely starting to run dry
less than a week till the first major update though right?
so there's that
paper peak
about 6 days now yeah
fickle karma
I've seen a lot of "make stuff harder" as well though ๐ค
paper peak
I'm just talking about this recent point in time
there's even stuff like "man the difficult midpoint encounter in area 2 is really hard, to the point where it feels like a precursor to the boss of area 2" and that's presented as a bad thing
but like
it's almost as if that was the point of the design? 
and then between it all there's just a flood of conflicting anecdotes about which boons are godlike and which boons suck
hexed smelt
it's almost like people have different opinions and different skill levels and different experiences
paper peak
fickle karma
no way sparrow, that can't be right 
paper peak
perhaps people should also carefully examine the game longer before running straight into the channel idk that might just be me though 
spending 30 runs getting bodied by Meg is natural
or also just experiment with various tools before declaring them weak
I agreed with a friend that Coronacht's special was essentially worthless, but trying out a build focused purely on using it ended up with a surprisingly easy win
the only thing that genuinely seems weak at this point are Poseidon's knockback effects post area 1, but that's more to due with how knockback works in regard to armour
if that gets retuned a little I'm sure he'll be a perfectly viable choice
fickle karma
cough specials
paper peak
the whole special discussion is also kinda weird because you can't actually complete a full run of Hades yet
and thus not collect an entire run's worth of boons
fickle karma
well, they're still objectively weaker than attack over at least 2 areas ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
paper peak
no but you're not actually including them into your weapon's playstyle because there legitimately just aren't enough boons to select to make them worthwhile
because the run is short, you're better off investing into one aspect of the weapon and going big on that
fickle karma
and because they put me in huge recovery that I can just... not do
paper peak
but the boon system limiting you to an attack/special/dash/cast and then various passives means that in a full run, you'll pick up all sorts of stuff to eventually augment the special into becoming a useful tool alongside your usual attacks
fickle karma
but yeah, maybe there'll be a use for them in area 3
but atm they're essentially just a way to 1. lose dps and 2. potentially get hit
paper peak
at the current point in time investing all of your stuff into one button works, because when progression in that button caps out, you've ended the run
but I can definitely see all of the specials having clear uses once you build up a full set of powers over the course of an actual playthrough, just inherently due to how they work
sword's special gives you an aoe knockback tool the weapon otherwise doesn't have, spear and shield have an additional ranged option, bow has an area attack (which is actually already pretty neat for debuffing/on-hit effects from Aphrodite and Ares)
actually the worst thing about bow's special is the lack of piercing
and then of course the inherent piercing on your normal attacks
weapon balance is inevitably going to be fiddled with anyway so I'll just wait and see what happens on that front
fickle karma
I agree and as I mentioned before, my biggest gripe is just the huge recovery time on it. We'll get a major patch in a week anyway, so I'll just wait on that
shell phoenix
I NEED THE PATCH
fiery pebble
Feedback is locked, interesting
vale kite
this is the smile of a crystal that knows how evil it is
sick laurel
hey just curious will all of our progress in early access stay when it becomes complete and is released or do we start over
hexed smelt
well, i assume the note in the faq applies to the full versiontoo
hexed smelt
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sick laurel
my bad didnt see that thanks for the info
remote ember
I just reached my one thousandth enemy and 120 escape attempt! ๐ ๐ฑ ๐ญ
gleaming crane
1000 enemies? You sure you didn't make a mistake there?
hexed smelt
yeah i'm on several thousand enemies and just over 50 attempts, hehe
gleaming crane
Same here, 1000 enemies in 120 attempts would be fewer than 10 enemies per attempt on average... that's 3 rooms at most.
karmic basalt
i don't remember how many i'm on, i haven't had time to play for the past couple weeks ๐ excited for the new update coming soon though
prisma wind
I feel like a 0 is missing from that number. I have 60-someodd runs and almost 10k enemies
ancient elk
Are y'all excited for the update
fickle karma
brazen quartz
I wonder if this awesome game will have MODs after some time it would be awesome
vestal lodge
If you build them, they will exist ๐
serene locust
omg, support for mods officially confirmed by one of the devs! /s
alpine stratus
no need for sarcasm sgg has always been supportive of mods for their games
brazen quartz
Im not that "skillfull" but If I had the skill to do it I would be already creating them. It helps the game a lot like Dead Cell or other similar games like Hades ^^ I pirated this game just to try it and after few tries I have to buy it. This game is so awesome i can't explain it. I can't wait for the major update in 7 days.
serene locust
ok, then I haven't done my homework cause I don't know any mods for previous sgg games. I guess it's google time
hexed smelt
i've made text mods for pyre before
wraith jasper
Whens the update again?
hexed smelt
1 week
wraith jasper
Ah, for some reason i thought it was only a couple days
serene locust
so far I've found only one mod(for Transistor). I've expected more xD
brazen quartz
Is there somekind of leak of the upcoming major update or what we can expect in it ? ๐
fickle karma
We can expect major content
brisk trail
I'm looking forward to the update but not all the wiki updating im gonna have to do
๐ฉ
sparrow has been the wiki MVP lately ive been slackin
brazen quartz
@fickle karma how unexpected answer to my question good sir
hexed smelt
kimo, funny you say that right as i got done with a few edits :V
brazen quartz
@brisk trail don't worry all of you are doing good work ^^
brisk trail
We do have some leaked stuff, but im sure SGG will still surprise us
brazen quartz
@fickle karma True ๐
brisk trail
Im just hoping we get some portraits but I know art isnt easy work especially at that quality
so ima be patient
fickle karma
I really wanna see Nyx
brisk trail
Looking forward to Artemis most
Im sure theyll come up with an awesome design for her
fickle karma
Artemis was a close second for me
brisk trail
Yup
gleaming crane
I feel like Charon might actually not be a WIP though. Being a hooded figure would suit him.
worldly grail
he can definitely be improved, the other characters are amazing in comparison to the placeholder arts
he will probably still have a hood though
brisk trail
^
spring cipher
I cant get online atm how many more days till the update?
night turret
Main menu
twin mason
anyone else ever had a numbskull go behind the pillars by the river in the first room?
vestal lodge
@twin mason Press F10 in-game to report stuff like when you see it happening please! โค
twin mason
i wasn't sure if it was a bug or not. thanks Morgan.
eager rover
This game is so good
alpine stratus
yeah hes gona get hot in the patch
eager rover
I have faith in SG
prisma wind
Skelly 
be sportin' a 6-pack of ribs in the next update
night turret
He is da real Final Boss. Unbeatable Skelly the Breaker of marriages.
alpine stratus
a skeleton that judges? uh oh that sans a little familiar
prisma wind
I can't find a single bone of contention with this line of reasoning
gray plank
Lol
brisk trail
How well does this game work with mouse and keyboard? Is it recommended to stick with controller? What are the inputs/keybinds and how customisable are they?
karmic trellis
super giant recommends controller, I like it myself but others have said they prefer kb+m or at the very least its perfectly useable
not sure about rebind options atm
so take your pick : )
cloud stirrup
Kb+m completely fine, still want to switch off auto - aim
brisk trail
Is it similar to battlerite
karmic trellis
no idea
past stirrup
Dusa is bloody adorable
kind kayak
no u
shut crest
I play M+KB
past stirrup
Also, is her being just a head a decapitated joke...
olive jungle
Medusa was decapitated by perseus, i feel like that's the reference
shut crest
pros for m+kb: free good aiming, you can attack in one direction and walk in the oppsite one at the same time.
cons for m+kb: only 8 ways of walking/dashing
past stirrup
Can reduce that con by turning on dash to mouse
shut crest
dashing to mouse direction kills the pro for m+kb
exotic storm
everything is a habit
shut crest
habit/preference
exotic storm
you get used to everything
past stirrup
Fair
shut crest
yeah i can get used to auto aim for example and it isnt bad but i still prefer to aim on my own
controller is definitly easier for new players
same with the spear is the easiest weapon for new players
fickle karma
one thing I'm not sure about is how much influence auto aim has
fickle karma
I can feel it a bit on kb+m but sometimes it seems to not kick in at all
especially noticeable vs. brimstones to me
shut crest
the auto aim on mouse is rather annoying because the autolock + your self aiming sometimes dont get along with each other
fickle karma
yeah, that's what I noticed as well
shut crest
I try to show the difference between controller and m+kb everytime someone asks me in chat why I'm playing with m+kb. I have the controller always next to me and I love to show it. Always makes the people think about it if they should switch or see what they prefer.
fickle karma
For me it's more a preference because the game controls so much like Diablo. Can't imagine playing that on controller
night turret
For me dealbreaker was that you cant attack in a direction opposite of your movement ะฎ_ะฎ
fickle karma
Gimme twin stick
serene cobalt
Less than a week for update bounces
karmic trellis
Win with rapid bow / divine strike / hunter dash / skull earings pretty fun : )
rapid bow mean you get a bit more out of hunters dash, it was pretty nice at lvl 2
half surge
Is it 6 or 7 days left until the update?
night turret
6
livid cargo
Hi team, I've got a quick question: where would I go if I wanted to ask if a certain interaction worked as intended
alpine stratus
what do you mean?
livid cargo
well, when using the Shield of Chaos and with Dark Barrier on (After you take damage, briefly Deflect in all directions) I noticed that if you were taking any hits at all Dark Barrier would activate, even if you weren't taking damage
i.e. I was Defending a Brimstone laser and while I was taking no damage, the Barrier was triggering anyway
karmic trellis
deflect has other uses
you can reflect shots from all sides
its a pretty subtle thing though
seems like it should be tied to damage
livid cargo
Yeah, I think all it does right now is check for hit
as opposed to actual health loss
I wasn't sure if that was a feature of Dark Barrier and the tooltip just wasn't descriptive enough or if was an unintentional interaction
hexed smelt
iโd say put it in the feedback channel if itโs still an issue once the channel opens up again
night turret
Well blocking brimstones is hilarious way to kill an entire room if you got them vengeance boons
livid cargo
The soundtrack is pretty baller so far
livid cargo
hm
im a bit sad i wasn't around for life dirnker
but i understand why it's currently not in the game
karmic trellis
to be honest lack of healing becomes less of an issue when you have more upgrades on the mirror
livid cargo
yeah but like, if you had like flurry blade and life drinker, you could just spam attack and probably kill anything
karmic trellis
I wouldn't pick it for any run really with my upgrades where they are currently
hexed smelt
the easiest way to balance lifedrinker would probably be to have it work on kills instead of hits
karmic trellis
I think it would be interesting if it cut your health dramatically
livid cargo
yeah
karmic trellis
then it would become an all assault build
livid cargo
i think on kill would make it way too campy
livid cargo
or maybe add a health delay
where you don't get your health immediately and have to wait x seconds without getting hit or smth
What's everyone's favorite weapon so far?
karmic trellis
sword has the most varied build potential and the base 1-2-3 combo feels good
at least for me
so I like it
frosty mountain
I also love the basic sword combo
it's a bit of a shame there are no daedalus upgrades that reinforce it
karmic trellis
yeah
frosty mountain
other than armor piercing
frosty mountain
idk, I'd like to preserve the basic 123 somehow
karmic trellis
with an epic finisher with some recovery or lead up or something
frosty mountain
longer combos would be awesome too though
on launch there was the upgrade that gave your final of the three strikes lifesteal
it was op and buggy and I didn't play with it
karmic trellis
life drinker
frosty mountain
but that sounds interesting
yeah
maybe make the 3rd hit do more damage? rewards you for seeing through with the whole combo
karmic trellis
its already 10-20-30
frosty mountain
also puts you at considerable risk at times, so it could have a big payoff
yeah, I mean, even more
karmic trellis
I feel like there should be more risk for that to work, currently I almost always manage to finish my combos
frosty mountain
hmm idk, it gets iffy vs armor and vs bosses
karmic trellis
fair
livid cargo
@frosty mountain in terms of a potential sword upgrade, what about a boost to movement during a combo?
basically allowing for extreme repositioning
livid cargo
like the ability to turn 180 degrees before hit 3
frosty mountain
hammer upgrades atm are heavily dmg focus or really punchy
I'd like to see the lunge somehow extended. not baseline, but somehow
(lunge=3rd combo hit)
livid cargo
maybe something that replaces lunge with a plunging attack
frosty mountain
there's this cool weapon in dead cells
which is not isometric, it's not really a fair comparison
livid cargo
i mean like what isn't cool in dead cells
livid cargo
no, but everything looks neat from what i've seen
frosty mountain
that combo that makes you lunge behind your target
ah ok
it's sort of a specific example, that's why I asked
kinda hard to visualize
livid cargo
i got it after reading the wiki page
that might make backstab builds a bit too good thou
hexed smelt
late to the conversation but the bow is my favourite
frosty mountain
by doing stuff mid combo, you remove the dash damage potential though
bow is bae
hexed smelt
poseidon or athena attack, artemis dash, and youโre golden
frosty mountain
bow is basically the same as bastion and it was one of my favorite weapons there
hexed smelt
itโs so satisfying to nail the power shot especially when you chain up your dashes
livid cargo
sneaky decoy added to the game when
frosty mountain
yeah
hexed smelt
i really want to try out a flurry blade build with zeus attack
hexed smelt
even just for the potential silliness of watching all the lightning go off
livid cargo
it's funny
hexed smelt
i got close once on a run, had zeus attack and dash
frosty mountain
it lacks the dmg of crit dash builds, but crit dash is kind of op imo
hexed smelt
but not on flurry blade sadly
frosty mountain
rip
livid cargo
i dont like the other weapons besides sword right now because of the lack of mobility while attacking
frosty mountain
actually you can make the shield and spear pretty mobile
by weaving in bull rushes
hexed smelt
eh, with bow unless youโre running point blank as your hammer you shouldnโt be close enough for it to matter
livid cargo
they require commitment in the form of charges or otherwise
frosty mountain
and adding spin dashes in between combos
livid cargo
the sword allows you to move freely while attacking
hexed smelt
what i dislike about shield is that i feel like they smacked down the nerf hammer a bit too hard
frosty mountain
yeah, I like sword the best as well
hexed smelt
i canโt deflect everything to death any more, sure, but i also donโt do enough damage to justify getting up in things faces
livid cargo
i think you run shield for the juicy knockback
frosty mountain
what I hate abour shield
is that you cannot buffer commands. this requires a bit of explaining
hexed smelt
i miss being able to play tennis with enemies with good timing
livid cargo
tennis should be reserved for OoT
frosty mountain
when you do a melee hit, there is a brief moment you cant attack again
hexed smelt
i have to get a boon to do that now :(
so i gotta choose between playing tennis or yeeting things across the map
livid cargo
what if you were to add a perfect shield mechanic similar to Bastion's
frosty mountain
but because you need to hold to block, if you start your block a bit too early, during the time you can't attack, you're sitting there doing nothing
it's hard since blocking comes after your attack
livid cargo
yeah
frosty mountain
it's not instant or even close to instant
livid cargo
this would be a pretty major change, but maybe you switch bull rush and throw, where throw becomes active after you hold attack
frosty mountain
parries are awesome though
I love them in any game that has them (haven't played dark souls tho)
livid cargo
that way you could have defend/bull rush on special
frosty mountain
I dislike the throw personally
hexed smelt
is it just me or does the defend feel finicky as hell anyway
like thereโs been so many times iโve been defending but ended up eating damage anyway
frosty mountain
it kinda does, you need to be aiming at the enemy quite accurately
yeah, same, makes me wonder if some attacks are unblockable
livid cargo
i think what's happening is
frosty mountain
but I'm pretty sure you can block almost everything
livid cargo
cause ive never had issues defending against lasers or dark orbs
frosty mountain
anyway, I'd like a button dedicated to the block and maybe a cooler melee/combo
I dislike the throw because it detracts from the identity of the weapon
people like it tho
hexed smelt
i like the throw
livid cargo
the throw can get pretty busted
hexed smelt
i wish it had a little more oomph without booning the hell out of it but maybe iโve just been building it wrong
frosty mountain
yeah but we got ranged weapons for ranged combat. also cast
hexed smelt
i did have a pretty silly build the other night that went ares throw + more bounces
frosty mountain
I think it has to be a bit weak because it lacks a cooldown mechanic. the way cast has a pseudo cooldown
livid cargo
well, it leaves you without a form of attack for a time
hexed smelt
the cool down mechanic is when your shield flies off into the distance
frosty mountain
taken by the meadows of ashphodel
hexed smelt
i kinda wish you could press the button again and call it back
livid cargo
it might be interested if they buffed damage on the throw but added an extra penalty when you dont have a shield
low haven
the shield specials mixed with a dash that deals damage can be deadly
hexed smelt
it wouldnโt hit anyone else on the way but youโd have it back a bit sooner
low haven
plus the Ares Curse on the special is insane
frosty mountain
yeah
livid cargo
it also benefits from say, deflect more than other weapons do
frosty mountain
I'd like all the oomph I can get personally. that's another reason I'm a bit against it
what do you mean max?
hexed smelt
deflect on attack doesnโt work with the shieldโs charge so far as i can tell
or at least only while you are actively bull rushing forward
if youโre just holding it, no deflect
livid cargo
a shield that's bouncing around will deflect things if it has the proper boon, right?
spring cipher
Yep
livid cargo
that's a mobile deflecting hitbox
frosty mountain
yeah if it has athena special
low haven
yeah, that's really good
livid cargo
something none of the other weapons can really have
frosty mountain
is it practical though?
livid cargo
it helps deal hidden damage
low haven
well, not at that effiency
hexed smelt
you canโt control where it goes though
livid cargo
like, you can happen to reflect projectiles with every throw
low haven
the sword special with a deflect is better in my opinion
hexed smelt
you throw it and it bounces Where It Feels Like
frosty mountain
I'd rather have bow special deflect
low haven
yeah the bow too
frosty mountain
clears my screan of projectiles
spring cipher
But you can purposefully reflect with every normal attack
low haven
no
spring cipher
Why not go for that
livid cargo
he means in terms of boon choices, renaud
low haven
normal attack clear the projectile, doesnt deflect
frosty mountain
they deflect as well with athena
livid cargo
i.e. you'll get a choice of boons so why pick special deflect over normal deflect
frosty mountain
maybe you want something different for your attack
low haven
well, the bow special deflect would be better than the normal attack deflect
frosty mountain
say you're rapid shot and you wanna get zeus
low haven
exactly
frosty mountain
but I get what you're saying
and we don't have too many unique boons to look for
livid cargo
you could play pinball with a poseidon special 
frosty mountain
boons are a bit samey atm imo
livid cargo
i think certain gods are more unique than others
like, artemis giving you a crit after dashing is neat
it can actively change the way you approach situations
frosty mountain
sure, I'm just sayin, I want more of that
livid cargo
imagine if there was a boon that triggered on a Backstab
spring cipher
I mean athena boon is just the best base attack boon so i wouldnt trade it for anything else
frosty mountain
I don't really care if I knockback/deflect/weaken with my attack. I mostly want the dmg. I don't like this choice, I wish it changed my approach more
yeah, less stat driven and more gameplay altering
spring cipher
Altho for mirroless runs i tend to lean torwards athena dash
karmic trellis
on fast bow the deflect is pretty nice
karmic trellis
if not fast bow deflect is much better on special
but obv the damage is more impactful
spring cipher
Ive never touched the bow special
karmic trellis
special with double arrow and poseidon is fun
frosty mountain
it's really fun
karmic trellis
double arrow makes it a lot better
frosty mountain
I wish it was a bit punchier
eager rover
Random question: does getting a perfect landing mean anything at all
frosty mountain
What do yall think of potentially adding cooldowns to stuff in order to make them punchier
Like bow special
karmic trellis
@frosty mountain you get it by pressing A I think when entering the start of run as you drop
winged vapor
Spamming stuff is the only way I can kill meg i think cool downs would get me extra killed
livid cargo
it's just a little touch
karmic trellis
I can never get the timing right on purpose
but it happens sometimes by accident for me
frosty mountain
I think meg will get easier for you the more you face her and the better your mirror gets
karmic trellis
yeah I had a super hard time with meg until the upgrades hit
livid cargo
i kinda purposefully lose to meg when i see her
karmic trellis
it took me a good ~15 runs to kill her
frosty mountain
Also, let me remind that we already have pseudo cooldowns in the game. Cast operates on such a system
livid cargo
i'm coming up on like 30 runs lol
i guess when most of those are just meme fights with meg
winged vapor
I kind of scream and hit all the buttons (especially dash thank you) to surviv
karmic trellis
it was still hard for a bit
but you get better also
the ring attack for instance
dont dash like a mad person
wait for it to hit than dash
also you need 2 x dash at least but 3 x makes it much much better
winged vapor
I love Ares's blade spinny thingy for casting it gets rid of all the annoying ones for me
livid cargo
you don't need to dash to avoid the ring attacks
winged vapor
Is discussion good for theories? Can I theory dump here
karmic trellis
spoilers is prob better
karmic trellis
ah misunderstood
livid cargo
theory: attacking deals damage to enemies
winged vapor
Its more so story theories though i guess story theories would involve gameplay
Idk im new
wrbgwrlkbg
livid cargo
i'd go for spoilers if it's story related
livid cargo
i wonder if someone could do a no-upgrades run
winged vapor
Would boons be allowed?
livid cargo
yeah, it's just nothing on the mirror of night and no keepsakes
livid cargo
if you get a keepsake mid run and have a chance to equip it thats fine
winged vapor
Ares curse/Aphrodite weaken/Poseidon knock back
livid cargo
it would be funny if like, someone who is really good at roguelites just actually beats the game on the first attempt
spring cipher
Ehh somebody has done the first run clear
Ive done 3 boonless runs and like 7 mirroless runs
winged vapor
I'd love to be that good at the game one day lmao
ive never played a game like this before its pretty fun
spring cipher
Its not that fun to do thh
Already stopped
Its just more fun to theorcraft about boon builds
And like run really cool things
As opposed to just doing bare bones stuff
winged vapor
So far I really like using Aphrodite, Ares and Poseidon because of curse and weaken, which so far have been useful to me
Also is there a chance percentage problem with artemis? I've seen her like, twice, and then never again
I have ambrosia for her Where Is SHe
spring cipher
Get her keepsake as soon as possible yeah
Shes the basis for a lot of speed run builds
karmic trellis
the gods have different chances of showing up I am sure
spring cipher
My best run has been minutes
karmic trellis
poseidon is pretty rare in my experience
spring cipher
Just cause idk how to seed like dino does
winged vapor
I get poseidon a lot
winged vapor
Uncle loves me I guess
spring cipher
Trash boons
karmic trellis
knockback is fun though esp in asphodel
its a shame its not quite there for bosses
spring cipher
Idk knockback is so useless vs bosses
winged vapor
I wish i could smack meg away
frosty mountain
I really like knockback in tartarus. less in ashphodel
spring cipher
Artemis crits single handidly save poseidens attack boon
winged vapor
she dont stop comin and she dont stop comin and she wont stop comin please
frosty mountain
and bosses being immune to knockbacks is a bit of a bummer
karmic trellis
I love to see them burn on lava
hexed smelt
its fun in asphodel until you realise ash piles stop enemied but don't do wallslam damage
frosty mountain
thiiiis^
so this
some other walls are bugged I'm pretty sure
and lil bombers get knockback immunity at times
which should be a bug
winged vapor
Atm my ideal build/the one ive gotten the farthest with has been Ares cast, Aphrodite dash, Poseidon special knock back with Aegis, no attack bonuses, shield bounce upgrade and the legendary aphrodite boon i cant remember the name
hexed smelt
imo either ash piles should break when you slam something into them, or they should deal slam damage, and the first makes more sense
aphro dash? really? that one always felt wonky to me
karmic trellis
@winged vapor narrower builds are much easier to manage
spring cipher
If you could slame monsters into other monsters poseiden would be worth
karmic trellis
my best runs are 2 / 3 boons and more poms
hexed smelt
shoutout to the run where i got a pom of power when my only boon was artemis dash tho
winged vapor
I have most trinkets/gifts
hexed smelt
*zeus
winged vapor
lmao
spring cipher
Tbh if you have a good build poms are like usually better than anything else
Also sparrow hi five
I can relate
hexed smelt
i got more poms after that but it felt Wrong havin a level 2 art dash
entirely wasted
winged vapor
Zeus is pretty rare for me but if i see him ill give him the ambrosia i was saving for art so i can get his thing instead
hexed smelt
if you ever want to do good with bow, get artemis
hexed smelt
in terms of pure numbers, yeah
hexed smelt
tbh getting her dash boon feels..... weird
karmic trellis
so it gets boring
spring cipher
Its not really op just
hexed smelt
because then every time she comes up after i'm sat there like "but my attacks already crit"
"what else can you offer me"
spring cipher
Yeah
karmic trellis
yeah she has weird synergy
spring cipher
I usually go for cast
Or she has the boons that buff your crits
Oml thats sexy stuff
karmic trellis
attack or special crit chance % is pretty useless after dash crit
hexed smelt
i wish if you had hunter dash then she wouldn't offer deadly strike
spring cipher
Yes
winged vapor
Now i just have to FIND her
hexed smelt
i kinda wish quick reload wasn't a boon tbh
the one that makes casts drop out of enemies faster
spring cipher
Quick reload is pog. 
hexed smelt
or make casts DO something while they're stuck
spring cipher
Cast builds are really fun
hexed smelt
i wanna do more cast builds tbh
hexed smelt
maybe with sword, make up for the lack of range
spring cipher
All the gods should have their own cast build imo
frosty mountain
cast is rly good with shield
spring cipher
Like artemis treats hers
hexed smelt
Barbed Arrow: Casts deal X damage per second while stuck in an enemy.
somethin like that maybe
frosty mountain
can defend yourself a bit while waiting, and you're mobile enough with bull rush to go grab your bloodstones
hexed smelt
that'd be neat :V
frosty mountain
I like how you can do artemis cast shenanigans with casts from other gods
but it's quite limited, since the system has prerequisites
alpine stratus
wow someone gets poisiedon a lot
night turret
Uncle is a best shield bro
winged vapor
Love Uncle
frosty mountain
yall are making the other uncle mad
night turret
Other Uncle can go do his thing
winged vapor
Listen I hate the rooms where you gotta pick
I mean, double boons are great!
But it MURDERS my health
night turret
Yeah some gods have great boons but just kill you there
karmic trellis
risk is fun
night turret
Meh Athena is managable
frosty mountain
athena is by far the worst
hexed smelt
on the other hand
night turret
Poseidon and Artemis far more threatening for me
hexed smelt
if you're in asphodel and poseidon is an option
feel free to annoy him!
enemies love throwing themselves into lava
hexed smelt
i tend to avoid annoying aphrodite bc i don't like getting weak inflicted on me
winged vapor
I annoyed aphrodite once
vestal hull
it might just be because i suck, but angering Ares has been the most consistently difficult for me
winged vapor
Zagreus: Kills the last enemy
Aphrodite: Truth is, I'm a lover not a fighter, lets move on past this.
Zagreus, at ONE health: Oh cool thanks cousin feelin the love feeling the care cooool
Also yeah curse damage sucks
alpine stratus
when ur fighting ares rooms and u have blade dash and ur like HEY. WHOS KNIFE PORTAL IS THIS
winged vapor
GOD
vestal hull
^^^^
alpine stratus
IS THAT MY KNIFE PORTAL OR YOURS
alpine stratus
then whos driving the bus
livid cargo
you are
vestal hull
no matter the context, i just fall over and weep tears of joy
vestal hull
yeah, the internet has ruined my sense of humor
winged vapor
^^^
vestal hull
girlfriend and i just spew unintelligible garbage at each other for like 12 hours a day
winged vapor
Question, do any of yall know if there will be icon updates in the ext big update?
I wanna see Artemis
Show me my cousin
hexed smelt
nobody knows anything about the next update
winged vapor
fair
alpine stratus
i heard bouldys getting abs
winged vapor
eljfbwrh i hope
alpine stratus
nope! not even them!
vestal hull
i would like to believe the dev team know what the next patch contains
winged vapor
Nobody knows
alpine stratus
jen zee drew everything with a blimdfold on!
winged vapor
The game updates itself as the dev team sits in fear
vestal hull
sans underworld
livid cargo
"Apparently we replaced all NPCs with Skelly"
alpine stratus
i heard storytellers getting a typ1ng qu1rk
alpine stratus
you knowwwww March 1 im gona be in that modchat like WE HAVE A MONTH TO MAKE THE GREATEST PRANK KNOWN TO MAN
livid cargo
"Attack animations have been replaced with Zagreus flexing"
vestal hull
why would you say something like that
winged vapor
GOD
fiery pebble
Just change everyones nickname to "bouldy" and make it so every time they write anything, its replaced by ๐
devout plinth
I heard theyโre translating the entire game into Ancient Greek for an authentic experience
winged vapor
I'd love to see Zagreus flexing
fiery pebble
: )
winged vapor
Too thirsty for this game and its good art work
alpine stratus
on april one, may zag sit please,
winged vapor
Let Zagreus sit
fiery pebble
Actually Im not sure you can do the replacing of text one
alpine stratus
(alice voice NO)
winged vapor
Take a sit, take a load off
livid cargo
add ability to upgrade your bed
vestal hull
Let ๐ Zag ๐ Sit ๐
fiery pebble
But making everyone bouldy sounds good
winged vapor
Let him sit! His legs are tired
devout plinth
give bouldy ambrosia!!
vestal hull
The poor boy needs his rest!!
hexed smelt
zag ๐ will ๐ never ๐ sit
vestal hull
fiery pebble
Let Cerberus sit
vestal hull
he is like 80% of the time
fiery pebble
I thought he was always lying?
vestal hull
in fact, he is 100% of his screen time
alpine stratus
let cerby stand!!!!
fiery pebble
But sure, that would be under-stand-able
winged vapor
Stop
vestal hull
๐ซ
winged vapor
๐ซ
vestal hull
i hear enough puns in my day to day life i don't need this from here
fiery pebble
Sorry, but I dont drink, so no shots for me
night turret
You cant stop that man, it's his entire thing!
vestal hull
๐ฅ
fiery pebble
Looks like youve got an explosive temper
alpine stratus
cerby will stop you. in the name of the paw
fiery pebble
Oh, so he is a member of the pawlice?
winged vapor
livid cargo
on topic question, what are the effects of the furniture?
vestal hull
like the wall scrolls and stuff?
fiery pebble
Scrying pool lets you see how many runs youve made and how many enemies youve killed
The other are purely cosmetic
livid cargo
ok
vestal hull
random question but how many ambrosia/keys is everyone sitting on and waiting for a way to spend them? ๐
devout plinth
woof woof itโs the sound of the pawlice
fiery pebble
We never have moved past the puns
livid cargo
@devout plinth
fiery pebble
Also the scrying pool should let you look at the top card of the deck, then put it on top or on the bottom of your deck
vestal hull
ok im gonna let that one slide
i appreciate the reference, but you're on thin ice buddy
and DONT YOU DARE make a scrying sheets joke
fiery pebble
Surprising sidenote: MTG does not have a card called "scrying pool"
livid cargo
@fiery pebble it should also charge you darkness every time you use it
fiery pebble
Aw sheet, I didnt think of that one
livid cargo
if we're making MTG parallels
alpine stratus
proxy voice oh no youve solved my censorship puzzle
fiery pebble
I know that one might not be entirely ok, but I had to make a scrying sheets joke
vestal hull
i tabbed out for a second there did i miss something? .-.
or am i starting to slowly lose my mind to sleep deprivation?
fiery pebble
You missed 2 scrying sheet jokes
livid cargo
He said "sheet"
vestal hull
...........................................
winged vapor
Its nice knowing you all im being stoned to death for going over my pun quota
vestal hull
it is very difficult for me to suppress my Australian genetics and not swear at you for these puns right now
fiery pebble
Oh youre australian?
vestal hull
woah, the bot can do that? nice
livid cargo
there is
fiery pebble
I guess down there you really under-appreciate puns
winged vapor
But ive almost said the mean version of poop twice
livid cargo
I do bot support for various bots
vestal hull
@fiery pebble ๐ซ
livid cargo
The puns will first
fiery pebble
I guess your patience is gun
vestal hull
......................................................สฐแตแถแต
alpine stratus
the bot deletes curses and mutes if you say too many yeah
winged vapor
i need to watch myself i type before i think usually and things just come out
alpine stratus
HEY
winged vapor
my AS doesnt help with the poor control lol
fiery pebble
I was actually going to delete it myself
alpine stratus
awwww
fiery pebble
That is my favourite kind of dumb joke, but since theyre not allowed here, I have to double down on the puns
alpine stratus
anyway also important is proxy will for some reason crack down on links posted too soon one after another as well?
oh valid
fiery pebble
Ergo, Proxy is a bit overzealous
vestal hull
while we're on the topic of swearing, sorta, i love typing not-swears (yknow, stuff like heck) in super small text
devout plinth
that zag sure is a boy isnโt he
vestal hull
แถ สณแถฆแถแต
livid cargo
Honestly, bots can be a real pain in the Asphodel sometimes
fiery pebble
You can actually say hell here
winged vapor
hes a good boy
alpine stratus
how do u get the small text omg
fiery pebble
It is a game about the underworld
winged vapor
I love him
alpine stratus
ASPHODEL.....OH ZAG DEFINITELY SAYS THAT
vestal hull
แถฆแตหข แต หขแตแถสณแตแต
livid cargo
when do we get to ride Cerby into battle
alpine stratus
you can also say blood and darkness (its a curse, boy. SAY IT)
vestal hull
CERBY MOUNT CERBY MOUNT
winged vapor
If I weren't so gay for Aphrodite, Zag would definitely be my favorite in my heart
fiery pebble
^Like this
frosty mountain
what if cerby is the final boss ๐ฆ
frosty mountain
BLOOD AND DARKNESS
vestal hull
ok but why be gay for aphrodite when you can be gay for dusa?
alpine stratus
gay for meg
livid cargo
@frosty mountain final boss is Hades making Zag clean his room before he leaves
alpine stratus
hdkdnvmcj
fiery pebble
Because Dusa is a bit stonecold
vestal hull
i was about to say something very sexual about meg on pure instinct and reflex
alpine stratus
AAAAA
winged vapor
LMAO
fiery pebble
Also Meg is better
alpine stratus
Thank you!
fiery pebble
Same tbh
winged vapor
God I love Meg
fiery pebble
There is a very obvious joke about Dusa
brisk trail
meg is hard ๐ฆ
winged vapor
Listen my type is very flirtatious women and very dangerous women so Meg and Aphrodite are
alpine stratus
meg so hot
hot hot meg
meg so hot she kill a zag
winged vapor
My gaves
vestal hull
@alpine stratus thank you
winged vapor
Gay faves
fiery pebble
Well Aphrodite fits both
vestal hull
G A V E S
alpine stratus
OH GOOD WORD
fiery pebble
She is very dangerous
livid cargo
Man supergiant must have put a lot of money into this game, they made an entire movie about meg last summer
alpine stratus
IM STEALING IT
frosty mountain
stages of meg. damn she's hot. damn she's hARD. damn she's hot
fiery pebble
Date whoever Dusa used to date, and youll lose your head
vestal hull
damn she's hard ๐
night turret
NO
fiery pebble
I swear, with so many people saying "hard", its so difficult to avoid making a joke
vestal hull
wait is that too much?
fiery pebble
Yes
livid cargo
let's talk about favorite boons instead
frosty mountain
damn she's easy. damn she'S STILL HOT
fiery pebble
I avoided making that joke because it is
alpine stratus
but you can persist!
livid cargo
what's everyone's favorite boon
night turret
THAT WAS EVEN WORSE THATN A HEAD MAID
fiery pebble
There is also a joke I want to make with easy
frosty mountain
ok fellas. places. let's talk boons
alpine stratus
ares boons rock
fiery pebble
Stop making joke opportunities I cant act on
livid cargo
correct
alpine stratus
i hear the screams of the damned and im like YAAAAASSS
fiery pebble
Ares boons are bad tho
winged vapor
I wish there was a meg boon to kiss her
fiery pebble
Pretty sure if Zag were to lean in, shed just trip him up and kick him
frosty mountain
#hades-feedback @winged vapor ๐
vestal hull
I YAAAAAS into the void, and the void SLAY QUEENs back
alpine stratus
HFH HHGHHGBNBMN
livid cargo
i'd love it if there was just a random chance for meg not to appear in a run and it cuts back to her in the lounge
winged vapor
Im just an idiot lesbian trying to play this game
alpine stratus
ares voice SLAY QUEEN SLAAAAUYYY I WANA HEAR THEIR ANGUISHED SCREAMS
vestal hull
i'm just an idiot lesbian
night turret
Shame a feedback channed closed huh
alpine stratus
"how to play hades when youre gay and bad at games"
fiery pebble
Well, if we feed them ideas, itll be back
frosty mountain
it'll be back
winged vapor
Thats me
winged vapor
gay and bad at games
fiery pebble
Tbh Ares can only be bi
night turret
He can stab everyone
alpine stratus
sassy gay friend is OVER. we have deadly bi cousin now
night turret
Oh no, ya baited me
winged vapor
All of the gods are rampant DEVIANTS except the women (aphrodite excluded)
vestal hull
why is the term "deadly bi cousin" so terrifyingly powerful
winged vapor
So they're all really just. Down.
fiery pebble
Headcanon: Ares uses "Bi the way" as much as he can
alpine stratus
bc its ares
livid cargo
what if Hades isn't actually a roguelike but a really really complex dating simulator
alpine stratus
HFJFJG
vestal hull
LET ME DATE DUSA GDI
winged vapor
Let me date them all
livid cargo
i mean like
fiery pebble
Dusa is the least interesting one tho
livid cargo
there are definitely hints of dating
fiery pebble
Let us date Bouldy
winged vapor
DONT BE MEAN TO DUSA...
night turret
Instant win
frosty mountain
that's some galaxy brain stuff
alpine stratus
i want zag to kisyphus sisuphus
vestal hull
nice
winged vapor
KISYPHUS SISUPHUS...
livid cargo
guys be careful
alpine stratus
NO
livid cargo
the devs might put some of these puns in the game
fiery pebble
Good
night turret
Instant shutdown wow
frosty mountain
GREG, HEED OUR SUMMONS
fiery pebble
I mean it was clear I was going to make a bad joke there
alpine stratus
hes idle rn lol
livid cargo
see
frosty mountain
I know
fiery pebble
I can only restrain myself so much
alpine stratus
but he might still be watchin
winged vapor
There should be a no baby channel
alpine stratus
litetaly u guys need to make a bad joke server for yourselves
winged vapor
So none of us get murdered
frosty mountain
I think we'll need to go slay meg a couple of times in order to calm down
fiery pebble
But whats the point of that server if noone goes there
winged vapor
God I love meg
karmic trellis
the too hot for super giant channel
vestal hull
i already have one of those
fiery pebble
However