instead of fire it could be little splashes for poseidon
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
shrewd flare
Im very very sorry for what you will have to witness now
But I want somebody to draw Zag wearing this
https://pp.userapi.com/c851416/v851416406/7e3f5/3j-ahIhXpOo.jpg
With dog heads instead of bear heads probably
shut crest
heavy lion
Uhhh hi
Just have one rather egregious question
If we buy the game now, would we have to buy it again if we want it on Steam?
alpine stratus
I mean, its a differemt platform, so yes
The same way if you wanted to buy transistor on gog and steam youd have to pay twice
heavy lion
Makes sense
alpine stratus
π o good!
heavy lion
Thanks, and see you guys around
humble pollen
Prob gonna be a while before steam happens tho
Since theyβre saying early access is gonna be lasting at least a year, right?
covert salmon
Any news on a Mac port?
void vigil
nope
frozen warren
I'm waiting just to see what the other gods might offer of they appear like Haephestus, Apollo, Dionysus, Demeter
Will the full pantheon of god's make an appearance?
Will the Titans and heroes?
granite tangle
I had a thought the other day that if they did put Chronos/Cronus in, that I want to see how they represent "time" as an in-game mechanic. Ares has delayed damage as a boon, so I was thinking like stacking bonuses the longer the run goes on (Gain 1% Attack damage every time you leave a room) or maybe his boons would make a future run stronger so you're sacrificing the power of the current run to invest in the next run (Start your next run with +15% Attack damage).
Plus we don't really have an Earth-thened power. Gaea please?
brisk trail
@frozen warren No word on which gods will appear in future yet
bright sedge
i always imagined that "the voice" could also be apollo ...
brisk trail
Theres some stuff in the game files but I'm not going to talk about that here.
solar cove
dumb theory: Prometheus is the voice. He's feigning incompetence but actually committing the greatest heist of all time by baiting Hades's son into stealing himself from the underworld.
humble pollen
Even more dumb theory: Bouldy is the voice
solar cove
you say dumb I say inspired
brisk trail
If Bouldy tells us anything, its that Prometheus vulture will be the new fan favourite character haha
solar cove
oop
fiery pebble
Is there also stuff in the files about future weapons?
brisk trail
Nothing I could see
frozen warren
They should have made the weapon upgrades as a Heaphastus Boon rather than the great inventor's hammer
Would have made more sense
And if Titans do come arrive later, isn't Cronus chained to Tartarus?
fiery pebble
Not neccessarily
frosty mountain
Similar to ambrosia, they should add nectar as a meta progression currency
(ambrosia= food of the gods, nectar= drink of the gods)
frozen warren
I thought they were the same thing
And the ambrosia looks like it's inba bottle anyway
small lake
For the purpose of narrative I think theyβre the same
hexed smelt
it varies based on which text you're looking at, iirc
frosty mountain
I think what I'm saying isn't as conflicting
That's what they taught us in school anyway
digital garnet
@shrewd flare hey so remember that image you posted earlier, the uh, fashion outfit
I may have......done the thing?
and drawn it....
digital garnet
Ok, well its not done yet, im lining it, but you can have a WIP
shrewd flare
Oh. Well, you can dm me it
shrewd flare
#fan-works ?
shrewd flare
DONT JUDGE ME FATHER ITS CALLED FASHION
digital garnet
Yeah I wanted him to have it, like as if he wore it just to tick off Hades
shrewd flare
Simply amazing
digital garnet
because its SO garish
shrewd flare
I still cant stop laughing
digital garnet
based the heads off of cerb
im glad you like it!!
I typically do little silly doodles but when I finish it ill put it on twitter
shrewd flare
You can tag me there when you finish
I think I have my twitter accont linked to my discord profile
Not sure though
Turns out I didnt, but I do now
digital garnet
okay, I'll tag and share in here
marsh rune
God heβs so pretty in your style
fiery pebble
Dont you mean "God he's so pretty"
half surge
don't you mean "god, he is"
sand spear
Just beat Megera for the first time. Satisfying!
marsh rune
Also? I have a lil piece of fanart that I wanna post for Sisyphus but it might be a lil bit of a spoiler?? (Mostly for his backstory) do I still put that in #fan-works or in #h1-story-discussion ?
hexed smelt
i mean. i don't think spoilers are really a thing for that.
it's...... it's mythology.
marsh rune
Ah true just wasnβt sure ^^;
slender linden
either way the fan works channel has a 'spoilers ok' in the channel label thingy xD
hazy onyx
what soes skellys gift do?
alpine adder
I think it brings you back to life once, with 1HP.
karmic basalt
i think it got increased to 10hp now
void vigil
yep
small lake
real good for when you're just starting out, along with Cerberus
you'll quickly stop needing it though
alpine adder
The one I found most useful so far is..Achilles'? the 20% damage reduction from front, 20%increase from back.
fiery pebble
Thats surprising, thats one that I think is considered among the weakest
alpine adder
Hmm π€
granite tangle
Same. When I get hit, it's usually by a Bloodless as I'm trying to dash past in a group or some explosion I misjudged the distance on to the side
alpine adder
What do you usually use?
marsh rune
Okay I donβt know if itβs a bug (hoping itβs not) but I defeated meg just before the death scene happened so then the death scene happened but I respawned with 22 health and I justβI donβt know itβs funny to me pfft
prisma wind
That's what it sounds like to me
hexed smelt
romeo and juliet would have gone much differently if one of them had had a death defy left
marsh rune
Pfft yeah I died just after she did so my death was canceled out. And actually! I used up all my death defies (had 4 going in) so it was a small bit odd to be revived but I made it to the next area at least!
hexed smelt
romeo upgrade your mirror you scrub
fiery pebble
Imagine though if Juliet didnt wake up soon enough after he died
And he just keeps burning through his death defies
marsh rune
I just saw the pinned message about petting Cerberus and I justβplease let me pet my three headed doggo he deserves all the pets
fiery pebble
Let use use Cerberus as a flail
marsh rune
-yes-
fiery pebble
If you want the strikethrough, its ~~
On both sides
I probably use it way more than needed
twin mason
Do the Charon rooms count as passed chambers?
steady dagger
Like, does it consume a charge of hydralite or a similar consumable? If so, yes.
twin mason
No, I mean does it count toward passed chambers , when you look out onto tartarus from the balcony.
farthest chamber reached, i mean
steady dagger
Oh, I believe they do count as a chamber even though its not a combat room, like rooms with healing wells.
steady dagger
I'm not 100% on that though. I've never actually counted how many rooms I've passed through in a run.
twin mason
yeah i haven't either. about to face meg, not looking forward toh aving my bum handed to me yet again
prisma wind
They definitely count as rooms
prisma wind
Nope, Meg is kind of the first part of the game where you really have to start learning patterns and playing with a bit of technique. You'll get there eventually 
twin mason
definitely. thanks for the vote of confidence
marsh rune
Someone did give some pretty sound advice earlier that you can find :0 Iβve been having my own butt kicked by her oof
twin mason
i'm leaning to dodge a bit more, practicing as i go along.
learning8
i can type like a normal person i swear.
prisma wind
If you ever need advice, there are lots of helpful people over in #h1-builds-and-combat
twin mason
noted π
god i saw this game a few days ago on youtube and i about flipped over in my chair with excitement.
i hadn't even heard of it yet
prisma wind
As soon as I saw the trailer that played during the Game Awards, I was compelled to buy it. It's very good
twin mason
I literally instantly went and bought it
I couldn't not. Anytime there's a supergiant game i jump. except pyre... which confused me too much to buy it.
my favorite powerup right now is Athena's attack one.
and most hated enemies... probably the fat wretches and the armored brimstones
steady dagger
Have you gotten past Meg yet?
twin mason
nooooo
steady dagger
The Brimstones have cousins I'm sure you can't wait to meet. lol
twin mason
π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£ π£
no, i just got killed by the bomb twins again
i hate them so much
brisk trail
It took me quite a few runs before I could get past them easily
You'll get there I believe in ya!
twin mason
specials are my go to right now
brisk trail
What weapon are you using?
steady dagger
Have you tried the Bow?
steady dagger
Yeah, They pair really well together.
twin mason
i tried the bow....
steady dagger
Crazy DPS.
twin mason
i can honestly say i've never hated a weapon as much
prisma wind
I hated the bow the first time I tried it too, it just takes a bit of practice and understanding the timing/moves.
brisk trail
Just constantly dash around and immediately shoot between dashes
steady dagger
Once you get the whole perfect shot thing down its great. The special leaves you a little open just like the sword one does.
void vigil
i used to just not shoot at all and just eat damage bc i wouldnt hold down the button long enough
but i learned
vague oyster
Dash bow has led me to 19 victories....
prisma wind
brisk trail
It becomes natural after a bit
I would say give the bow a shot (ha) with the dash technique
twin mason
ha
i see what you did
and i approve
can someone tell me what the point of giving excess gifts is?
-keeps feeding cerberus ambrosia-
prisma wind
You get to advance your relationship/dialog with those characters, and get some unique scenes
brisk trail
Just extra dialgoue
olive jungle
More dialogue!!
olive jungle
The opportunity to make characters feel loved
brisk trail
I would try to get every keepsake before giving extra ambrosia
olive jungle
In lieu of a hug button i pelt everyone with ambrosia bottles
twin mason
i have almost every one... i'm missing... two?
brisk trail
Except in the case of maybe certain characters who dont always appear in the house of hades
You probably havent met one of the characters yet
twin mason
brisk trail
And perhaps you missed one of the gods
twin mason
you also might be underestimating how long i've been stuck on meg XD
so in leu of getting past things, i tend to... you know.... keep going through the same stuff
brisk trail
Ah
prisma wind
One of the missing ones is a god, the other you will find out eventually
brisk trail
^
twin mason
i know it's a god, i'm really not sure which one it is though
brisk trail
Dying is part of the learning process dont be discouraged π
twin mason
it might be artemis?
brisk trail
Correcto
prisma wind
Artemis is so adorable, I love it
brisk trail
I can't wait to see what theyve come up with for Artemis art
steady dagger
Her Dialogue made me laugh a few times.
granite tangle
The little noise of battle that happens when you grab Ares' boon makes me very happy
brisk trail
Hopefully we get it in the next major patch, or at least a WIP like ares
steady dagger
Less than two weeks! I can't wait.
twin mason
i'm giddy with excitement :3
steady dagger
It's like a late xmas gift lol
prisma wind
I need the rest of the character portraits so that I can finish my collection 
Everyone here is great, and it always nice to see new people Welcome to the Hades fan club!
twin mason
π
i'm such a baby for the persephone/hades baby boy thing
i probably made some seriously ungodly noises when i first saw the ad for Hades
and that you get pomegranates is super cute
ugh next room is twins, not happy
yeah didn't think so
didn't have the equipment for it
prisma wind
Skeletwins were challenging for me too when I started. I find the Slamdancers were always easier than the Inferno Bombers, though
twin mason
inferno bombers???
prisma wind
The Skeletwins mini-boss room can be either Inferno Bombers (the big ones that throw bombs) or the Slamdancers (little purple ones that slam bombs down at their feet)
twin mason
they both sucks then
steady dagger
I spam the dash after they die.
twin mason
wise
ok ok
i've been curious
does the game remember that you have another game, when you start a new one?
prisma wind
You mean is it referenced?
twin mason
I mean, is it meta?
prisma wind
No, not that I've noticed
twin mason
i started a new game and i could have sworn it threw harder enemies at me faster.
prisma wind
Probably just bad luck with RNG
prisma wind
The difficulty of enemies doesn't change within the different areas, Tartarus being the first one that you're in
twin mason
fair enough
pests are annoying too
gaiiiiiis .
i got past the ... skelebros?
i think?
alpine stratus
oh nice!!!
twin mason
yaaaaa
prisma wind
Congrats
twin mason
another try on meg then
prisma wind
Good luck! Patience and timing
twin mason
nope
got her about halfway down
but didn't have very many death defiances left so
lollll
void vigil
keep it clean please
prisma wind
Their relationship is certainly interesting
twin mason
lolll
prisma wind
I can't say anything much more without getting spoiler-adjacent, but I enjoy their interactions, especially after you progress further into the game
twin mason
-shakes my moniter- LET ME PAST YOU FOUL WOMAN
i do have thoughts about him and Aphrodite though π
prisma wind
I think the d20 in your profile picture is actually the exact same set that I have, by the way 
twin mason
π π π π
i love d&d
i'ma friend your awesome self if that's ok
just got past the purple bros
prisma wind
Don't get discouraged by Meg, though. It took me I think 38 runs before I finally beat her, and others twice that or more
prisma wind
It's not uncommon to crash up against Meg as a wall of difficulty
prisma fossil
Meg is the first spike in difficulty imo but learning her patterns is fun
void vigil
i think every midboss is one personally
i know it took me a while to beat the skelebros
twin mason
i'm sure i'll be back to the house soon, i can tell you exactly how many times
prisma fossil
Yeah, the skelebros walled me for the first 10 or so runs
twin mason
mostly it's learning how to not be there when the bombs go off
wow, four rooms in a row of no enemies
leading me right up to meg
deep breaths, lads
void vigil
lol that happened to me the first time i beat her
twin mason
good luck to me then!
prisma wind
Spend some time just running around learning patterns, if you need to. Don't get greedy with attacks
twin mason
-hyperventilates-
fair
unf
ok that was different, i guess
if i could get there with more death defiance, i might stand a better chance
58 attempts is the number i've got
vague oyster
Need.... more... Hades.... 
prisma wind
Keep at it 
Taking a break and coming back at it later may help too. Fresh eyes, fresh fingers. Experiment with new and different builds with different weapons
twin mason
i got flurry blade!!!!
ugh, it's rare but i love it
i hate the thrust, it's such an annoying thing
prisma wind
Now just throw a Zeus boon on the attack
prisma wind
The shades are super cute
prisma wind
I have to head out for a bit, but good luck!
twin mason
see ya!
prisma fossil
Zeus cast is pretty good for Meg in my experience
digital garnet
ughhh i just lost to the hydra and got really far π
well kinda
i just got bombarded by the lets spawn four heads and still do our bullet hell and spawn everything and its morther
fringe ember
Is it worth to fight and kill the enemies in the "Survive for X seconds" rooms instead of just running away? Do you get money or anything? If not, should it be giving you something? I'd guess it's more risky fighting instead of just running in circles.
olive jungle
you get money for defeating enemies, yeah, but technically it's a pretty small reward if you're not buff enough to ensure you don't take tons of damage
fringe ember
Yeah I had a run (bow with triple arrow and crit dash) where it was really easy to kill everything. In other runs I just run in the largest circle along the walls.
Giving rewards would make great builds even better, but would give a reason to atleast try and fight enemies with bad builds.
The running in circles isn't that fun gameplay wise tbh 
prisma wind
It's definitely been mentioned before, might even be in the new feedback channel if you want to look for it and give a π
I agree that it needs a rework
fringe ember
Yeah found the posts, and they actually talk about the exact things I mentioned. 
π
prisma wind
I have returned from the land of groceries, and consumed a snack of samosas
twin mason
yeah see
i wish i had snacks
all i have is the last two cans of soda from a case
off i go for meg again... kind of shoddily equipped though, wish me luck!
i REALLY need to learn to dance with that woman...
idk, i like my women but she's a little intense for me
prisma wind
Still running sword?
twin mason
yeah for nw... might switch it up soon, but it'll take some getting used to to get back to meg again then
and i haven't even learned how to dodge her idiotic circle attacks
or ven diagram attacks as my brain likes to call them
prisma wind
Just a dash or two is all it takes once they appear under you. You can dash in circles around Meg and hit her while she's casting them
I imagine you have triple dash by now?
twin mason
no not yet. double dash yes
small lake
stand still until you're certain where the attack is going to land
there's at least 3 patterns she uses that can be avoided by just not moving
twin mason
yeah that ... hasn't been working, that's my normal tactic
but i'll give it another shot
small lake
We believe in you
small lake
hey I was in your position just a couple days ago
i was lucky if I could make it to meg, much less past her
prisma wind
And then... Spin-dashocalypse
small lake
just keep at it, eventually it will all become reflex
prisma wind
Sounds like progress to me
small lake
Athena and Artemis are your friends
twin mason
about to die to the twins, because there's no way with how much health i have XD
yep XD
switching weapons i think....
anyone favor the spear
?
just curious
prisma wind
My order of weapon favour goes Bow > Spear > Shield=Sword
twin mason
i'm gonna try the spear for a bit maybe
prisma wind
Spear is an excellent choice
twin mason
becausei go against the grain lmao
i think i'll like it a lot once i master it like i have the sword
prisma wind
I'll give the same advice I always give for spear - charge your spin attack at a safe distance and then dash towards the enemy(ies) for great success
twin mason
already took crit special
and dead
not doing great with learning the weapon, we'll see
prisma wind
Spear special is not the greatest (though some people like it)
granite tangle
I've got the strat: Shield. Take Ares' keepsake. Get Curse of Pain (the damage on special one). Just run around and throw your shield.
watch it homing bounce off enemies while you leisurely stroll around the map
granite tangle
Just be careful in Asphodel since your shield will fly off into the lava areas for a while if you aren't careful
twin mason
damn he didn't give me curse of pain this time XD
granite tangle
u n l u c k y
twin mason
poor zagreus, his father is such a tool
i'm curious, busty, do you play with a controller?
i ask because using that particular strat is a big... difficult on a keyboard
prisma wind
Ah, I didn't realize you were using KBM... No wonder you bounced off of bow π
small lake
Hey bow works just fine on KBM
prisma wind
Sure it does, but that doesn't mean it's not easier to aim with controller
small lake
there's just a trick to it is all
twin mason
i bet a lot of this is easier with a controller
i've been thinking of looking into getting a controller.
small lake
there's some pretty hefty aim assist
twin mason
unf that'd be so nice
prisma wind
I think it depends on what you're used to for games like this. There are certainly a lot of very good players here that use KBM
I'm quite happy to use controller, though
prisma wind
Not sure what your budget is, but you should be able to find a wired controller for relatively cheap
I think the 3rd party xbox controllers are usually like $30-40 Canadian
twin mason
my budgets pretty wide actually
i can go cheap or i can go expensive
might go more expensive
my fiance is one handed ,see
she can't really use her right hand
so she'd like a controller for some games because she can use it one handed
small lake
I got this Logitech controller a few years back that's treated me very well, only about 20$
prisma wind
I play with a first party Xbox One controller, and am pretty happy with it
small lake
shaped just like an old PS2 controller so it's real nice in the hand
prisma wind
Ah, that's definitely something to consider. Speaking of, have you ever watched any of the stuff that halfcoordinated does?
small lake
never heard of 'em
twin mason
i might have
prisma wind
He does speedrunning one-handed on controller
Due to a disability though, not just because
twin mason
obviously
small lake
you ever have those moments where you've been thinking to yourself "hey I'm getting pretty damn good!"
and then you get a bit of information that teaches you exactly where you stand
and you're just
π
prisma wind
Aw, don't get down on yourself Dr. Badtouch
twin mason
yeah, halfcoordinated sounds like he has something VERY similar to my fiance
she had a stroke before she was born, causing a certain ammount of issues for her right side
oh
searching a little more, it's exactly what she has
it's known as hemiplegia
half paralysis
shes' okay, barely lets it slow her down π
prisma wind
I'm glad
prisma wind
Slightly back on topic, though, I'd definitely recommend playing with a controller if you aren't already well versed in KBM play for this style of game. It's a lot more intuitive, and the aim assist is very helpful and feels smooth (to me, anyway)
prisma wind
I quite like mine, so no argument there Β―_(γ)_/Β―
prisma wind
Just make sure you get a wired one, not wireless, if you're going first party. For third party, I've heard good things about the Amazonbasics XBone controllers
small lake
wireless will always have a bit of input lag so I recommend going for wired
prisma wind
Not just that, but getting wireless controllers to work on PC can sometimes be a pain, nevermind that you need an adapter
small lake
it's usually not enough to make a difference but with something like Hades where fast reactions are super necessary, you'll feel it
that too
prisma wind
For wireless, I mean. You don't need an adapter for wired
prisma wind
Yes, but I'm reasonably certain they don't work properly due to some pairing thing if they can't connect wirelessly.
twin mason
strange
small lake
it's a little USB stick like a flash drive that receives the signal while it's plugged into the computer
prisma wind
I know my brother tried to hook up his regular wireless xbox one controller to his PC and it wouldn't connect without an adapter Β―_(γ)_/Β―
small lake
the biggest problem I've had trying wireless devices is that sometimes the drivers jsut...stop working
oh well yeah
you can't just slap a console controller onto a computer, wireless or no
proven briar
does anybody have tips on just...dodging
I think I just end up button mashing and then panicking when the crystal things beam me
small lake
move close and bait it out before dodging to the side
proven briar
among other things
small lake
never dodge straight away because you'll almost always get hit
and most attacks will miss if you just walk in a circle around them
prisma wind
Slow down and learn the telegraphing animations of each enemy, that will help you learn when to dodge. As the good (bad) doctor says, wait until they start their attack before dodging, else they just redirect
proven briar
alrighty thank you guys so much I'll try it out
twin mason
i think this game might need a thing like transistor had
the training ground they had
helped you learn how to combat certain enemies and stuff
unless i'm remembering wrong
prisma wind
It's been a minute since I played Transistor, but that sounds right
prisma wind
I'm pretty sure it's been suggested in feedback, though, if you want to give it a π there
twin mason
i'll go look
i mean i get that, yeah? but i feel like they could implement a kind of.... training ground, a little like the skeleton, but ... idk
small lake
from a gameplay perspective it's a great idea
thematically though I have no idea how they would make it work
slender linden
i feel like it's fine as it is, you learn by dying
but also what was suggested in feedback, or something very similar
no wait they had a codex idea
so my idea: any boon that you encounter or like actively pick up, you get a 'boon demo' near Skelly
so you can test them out
small lake
I would definitely want to see the option to test Daedalus Hammer upgrades in the courtyard though
prisma wind
There's one that I found asking for a test suite/sandbox in feedback, which I think fits the bill
slender linden
the codex idea i mentioned was for god boons to log in the codex
prisma wind
It was from Southern Ketchup on Dec 27th
slender linden
but that doesnt let you test them freely
prisma wind
Southern's feedback also mentions testing boons
1539 N. Calvert also suggested basically the same thing on Dec 26th, but in much fewer words
Biscuit also posted on Dec 27th asking for a practice area where you can load in enemies you've encountered
proven briar
dying a lot seems to be what's happening right now, yup
twin mason
yeah... dying a lot seems to be the trend. and i'm not saying it wouldn't still be that way. it's just learning the patterns and stuff so you don't get SO frustrated.
small lake
yeah that's reasonable
twin mason
there'd be no reward, just like the sandbox, it's just.. brain training
small lake
I spent a considerable amount of time complaining about the bloodless in the second area
and then they just sorta...stopped being a problem?
I couldn't tell you exactly what changed because as far as I can tell I'm playing exactly the same as I was a couple days ago
things just work more now and I guess it's just from throwing my head at the wall until it starts to crack
I didn't get my first win until like 45 runs in
small lake
oof
twin mason
about ot go in her chamber with no death saves
small lake
weapon?
proven briar
I'm
ok I'm sorry if i'm confused about something simple but
the bomb throwing twins
how... what.... what
small lake
might need to be a bit more specific there mate
twin mason
more specifics would help π
i know the bomb twins can be overwhelming, but we need to know how you're struggling to help you
proven briar
oh
ok so for me
I focus more on dodging because otherwise I'll die real quickly
I tried charging in and attacking them before they threw the bombs but to no avail
since I couldn't dash from their attacks quickly enough
but if I continue dodging then I don't do as much damage?
eventually they catch up and kill me
small lake
do you have your second dash yet?
twin mason
what's your weapon?
twin mason
special will be your friend here, i think
small lake
^
proven briar
keyboard
small lake
if you try to go for melee, walk up to them, and then wait until after they throw the bomb to double dash away
if you dash at the start they'll track you
twin mason
okay, using the mouse to point where you're throwing the shield was something that took me a while to figure out too
it can bounce off walls i think?
but knowing where you're aiming is... yo uknow, important too
small lake
if you have deflection that makes them much easier, swatting the bombs back deal just under 100 damage each
twin mason
so anything from athena
small lake
Athena saves runs
wait shield
Bull Rush their asses open
you can dash immediately out of the end of the charge so you don't have to delay
proven briar
hmm ok I'll try all this out once again thank you so much ;3;
I'm trying to learn on my own as well but it's a bit of a bumpy road, apologies
small lake
if you kill one get out of range as quickly as possible
they drop a pile of bombs at their feet when they die
small lake
the first time I managed to kill those little bastards I died anyways T~T
twin mason
do both sets of twins do that? can't remember, i avoid those rooms
small lake
the grenade twins do, the small ones don't
twin mason
the purple ones do, right?
twin mason
huh...
whatever, i avoid them as much as i can...
the gates with the skull and are sparkly are the boss ones
i avoid those when i can cuz i'm a baby
small lake
only if they have a god boon
if they have a shadow icon they're just a bit harder than average with a better payout
twin mason
just got past the purple twins
with the shield
it's pretty much just dodge and rush
small lake
yeah the small ones are much easier to deal with imo
small lake
Same
small lake
Achilles, master of the curve
twin mason
i just
INNAPPROPRIATE
like
bruv
no
and the way he said it was SO dodgy
i mean... gods, i guess.
anyway it's getting late... will probably turn in soon
twin mason
night! it's been a real pleasure, thank you
brisk trail
What do you guys think about the bow I think it is the weakest of all the weapons
small lake
I'm on a 9 win streak with the bow and it's probably incredibly broken
any sort of damage upgrade boon for the normal attack makes it hit like a train, and nothing will survive if you get the triple shot upgrade and Hunter's Dash
twin mason
if you scroll way up you'll see everyone vouching for the bow lmao
small lake
I'll admit that it will take a lot of shadow dumped into Backstabs and Quick Temper to get the full potential out of it
Dammit I was about to go to bed why did you have to flip my switch
twin mason
lol
twin mason
try them all out. you're gonna die a loooooooooot
so get comfy
speaking of, going up against meg again
brisk trail
I lik the shield and the sword
small lake
sword is pretty well rounded imo but it needs its hammer upgrade to really kick off
small lake
basically everything boils down to "Hunter's Dash + Attack Upgrade"
twin mason
they should probably work on balancing that out
near lion
for me the shield has been working best
twin mason
i'm trying the shield but will switch to the bow tomorrow to try
near lion
beat meg twice with the shield and 0 times with anything else
although i havent been using the other weapons a lot
small lake
bow just synergizes too well with all of the god upgrades
Zeus: Lightning. Lightning everywhere.
Athena: More damage than anything can handle and immunity to projectiles.
Poseidon: Nothing will ever get close again
near lion
curse damage on the shield throw is Very Nice
tardy patio
I don't like the Athena upgrades so much
small lake
the most fun run I had was Poseidon's attack boon with the triple shot hammer upgrade
tardy patio
And if you get the boon for more dmg from wall slam, or the stun slam one. It's nice
small lake
dash in, shotgun the poor soul in front of me all the way across the room
tardy patio
Though the Poseidon legendary seems weird
double knockback?
I have to see it in action, to really say
I've only been offered that once, and it was just before the hydra fight
twin mason
any knicknack suggestion for bow?
small lake
I usually start with either Poseidon's keepsake, or the coinpurse if I died with around 200 gold
Athena if I'm looking to split the game open
Divine Strike has the highest damage modifier out of all the gods, with Poseidon being a close second
small lake
one of my favorite things is sitting down and figuring out how I can break a run
small lake
bow scales incredibly well with Quick Temper and Shadow Presence, so make sure those are as high as possible
twin mason
okay π
small lake
if you dash right before attacking the charge is faster and you can get the Quick Temper bonus, and Hunter's Dash works even at the lowest rank
small lake
π
median bridge
Hey guys, I'm a big fan of games like Diablo 3 and I really like the look of this game and I'm considering getting it early access. Can anyone tell me if it plays anything like a regular arpg? From what I've seen it looks as though it's very similar. Cheers!
brisk trail
@median bridge Hey man!
I honestly don't think it really plays a whole lot like Diablo. If you want a Diablo like experience try Van Helsing (which I surprisingly really enjoyed) or Path of Exile.
That being said, I love love love Hades so far and I can't wait till the next big update!
If you like Supergiantgames and ARPG this will still be a very enjoyable game for you!
But there are no "spells" nor "items" and therefore it just feels a bit different.
cerulean flare
yea progression is super different from diablo
your 'gear' upgrades are mostly thru powers granted by the gods
swift osprey
Is there a place on this discord to report a bug? I play with a controller and actually don't have a keyboard attached to my pc, so pressing f10 is quite cumbersome
brisk trail
That is not a bug - consider posting it in the "hades-feedback" channel :]
alpine stratus
feedback about needing to press f10 is great for feedback channel, but for an actual bug please use the in game reporter if you can
if you can find a keyboard somewhere i guess lol
thorny river
hey does anyone know when we will get past hydra?
half surge
Next major update is soonish, but we don't know if that will add content past hydra or not
I hope so.
thorny river
well
to be real
i want them to unlock the thingy so you can give more ambrosia bottles
half surge
That'd be nice, I'd prefer more actual content though over more dialogue
thorny river
true but the story is amazing
i love it in this game
are the other supergiant games
similar story wise?
half surge
Yes, but they have more story
My concern and why I'd prefer more content over more story is that hades really doesn't have much content at the moment
It's high quality content to be sure, but once you beat the game a couple of times you're basically done
And it's around an hours worth of content that is stretched out by being a roguelike
Stuff like adding a new area would be great, but also challenges / ways to limit your power for more reward would be really good, like in previous supergiant games. And I assume they're probably coming at some point
fiery pebble
Thats probably the last weapon we will get
I imagine we get the scythe before the fire
brisk trail
@half surge I am sure there will be stuff like that coming. I'd actually like to be able to use more than one of the gifts at the same time and receive maybe penalty for the amount of shadow crystals (or whatever they are called) so my girlfriend who is struggling a bit with the game could get further as well! So basically the reverse of what you were suggesting π
I'd love to see both at some time
fiery pebble
How in the world does a flamethrower sound "kinda boring"
slender linden
one word: bastion xD
half surge
True
fiery pebble
Thats ... fair, I suppose?
Still, flamethrowers are a pretty awesome weapon if done right
half surge
Throwing greek fire could be fun as a special
half surge
I don't think we'll be seeing hestia any time soon
half surge
That's assuming there's a weapon for each god / elder god
Also apollo or heph have a stronger association with fire than hestia
fiery pebble
I mean, there are 6 slots
6 elder gods
And each weapon so far is linked to the elder gods
And they dont, actually
She is the goddess of the hearth and usually shown carrying around a bowl of fire
half surge
I know she is
But for a weapon to be used offensively, apollo or heph would make more sense
fiery pebble
Apollo would be using a bow
Hephaestus a hammer
Theyre both linked to fire, but unlike Hestia theyre never depicted carrying around or using fire
slender linden
i mean, offensive aura-based lyre could work for Apollo
maybe for people who arent as coordinated for other weapons
but i guess fire could do that too??
what happens if you get Poseidon's boon for a fire based weapon
fiery pebble
Well, steam I imagine
But yeah, Scythe for Demeter and Greek Fire for Hestia, thats what I believe will be the last 2 weapons
brisk trail
Hephaestus hammer makes sense. My vote goes to Scythe and Hammer. #Communism
fiery pebble
Problem is, Hephaestus aint an elder god, plus we already got a hammer in the game
Also, a hammer wouldnt really have much space to move in not covered by other weapons
Scythe and Greek Fire have their own niche
fiery pebble
Whip would work, but I dont think theyll break the pattern
hexed smelt
the game just gave me two pom rooms in a row
alpine stratus
pom likes u
fiery pebble
I guess Zag is now a cheerleader
hexed smelt
i bought a third in the shop before meg
perfect shot + tempest strike (lv4) + hunter dash + maxed quick temper = the fastest meg kill i've ever done
god i hope i can take this build all the way it's ridiculously fun
fiery pebble
Thats almost perfect
vague oyster
GG @hexed smelt Love me some power shot.
shut crest
powershot mechanic is love
hexed smelt
DID IT
it got real hairy on the last head summon because i started losing track of zag what with dashing between every shot
but i did it
pliant tulip
I'm getting rather curious about the story and its implications. Why is Zalgeuis trying to escape the Underworld? Why are the Olympians helping him? Whose is his mother? Persephone? Was there an event that happened that caused Zaleguis to want to leave?
I don't imagine these will be answered until the main game, but it's something that I can't help but ponder on.
alpine stratus
Have you seen the flashback scene yet?
alpine stratus
oh! keep playing then, these questions may be answered earlier than you think!
pliant tulip
Looking forward to it.
alpine stratus
yes!!!
celest pagoda
i just got into the flashback scene once
alpine stratus
NO I MEAN LIKE THE CONTENT OF IT hjfghjfjh like dont spoil them
i dont think so i think its randomly activated
but yeah if u wana discuss the content of the flashback scene pls go to #h1-story-discussion !
celest pagoda
nah im just curious why only 1 scene lol
slender linden
im sure they have plans for all those chairs
and it might be triggered after you first encounter Meg? but im not entirely sure, maybe its just random
tardy patio
How do you get the screenshot with the boon descr?
I try do that, but it comes out as the pause menu
hexed smelt
@tardy patio i said already in gameplay but the way i do it is, bc i use controller, i can hold left trigger with one hand, tab out with the other, then tab back in and take a screenshot
tardy patio
Yep, thanks, did it already, just got to upload it now
Or can I post it directly in discord?
olive jungle
Nah, use a link please
tardy patio
ok, will do
brazen stone
I use shadowplay myself
solemn echo
The team say we go to have new characters, it includes playable characters or only NPC/enemies?
void vigil
probably not playable characters
this is a story about one characterβs journey, so I donβt see why you could play multiple
slender linden
and it'd follow the pattern of their other games too
median bridge
@brisk trail @cerulean flare thanks guys for your input, that's great to know. Tbh I think I'm just gonna get it cuz it just looks too dman good! π
solemn echo
Well, maybe the characters can be for post-game
A lot of games do it, main character for the story and after that unlock new characters
It can also be a good addition to encourage people to reach the end π€
granite tangle
I hope other characters start to congregate in the lounge to talk to each other. You catch them interacting every now and then, but I want that real casual talk
Those little snippets of conversation when you and a character share an Ambrosia are nice
stable ravine
@solemn echo nah, sorry dude. If they did, that might be cool but it just wouldnβt feel right. The game is about Zagreus, itβs his journey. Throwing in some mode where you play as Meg or something just wouldnβt fit unless they give her a more important plot in the next few areas.
And I canβt think of any other characters who we would even play other than someone like meg
solemn echo
Well, for example in TBoI the game is about Isaac and you can play as others and thats because I say AFTER the story, so I only see your point if we talk about the adventure before the end of the story
stable ravine
Hades isnβt the binding of Isaac dude
Thatβs normally not how their games role
You didnβt unlock Royce at the end of transistor
You didnβt unlock Zia or Zulf at the end of bastion
Sorry if I sound rude
I just donβt want you to get your hopes up and then be disappointed. Hades is a great game now with just Zagreus. I donβt see why theyβd add more
slender linden
i dont see them adding more playable characters cause thats not how customization works in their games
you get to choose weapons/unlock combos
and i dont see them doing character skins either
solemn echo
Well, I think each game is different from others, you're so rude boy, is only a opinion from my part xD
slender linden
they'd have to re-animate every new character with each weapon essentially
that's just not how their games work
stable ravine
We arenβt rude dude. Weβre just giving out opinions. And yeah, itβs just
Not how supergiant rolls
They have their own style for their games
stable ravine
Thanks
slender linden
you want Isaac's customization, go play isaac xP
solemn echo
I like how is the game right now, so I don't have any problem
Only say it can be great if it be here, but if it doesn't I'm ok with it
stable ravine
Iβm glad you like it, Iβm just trying to say that there probably wonβt be more playable characters, yknow? Like just donβt get your hopes up. But Iβm glad you still enjoy the game even without them
twin mason
It's a small company
slender linden
^
twin mason
I mean relatively
slender linden
also that
twin mason
Art doesn't... Magically appear, ya know?
Someone has to sit down and put a lot of time and energy into these animations.
gaunt crown
I don't think anyone is debating that
slender linden
in Pyre it at least makes sense cause you have the versus mode and limited range of character models with limited movesets that they'd have to make anyway
but that's as far as they went
solemn echo
I don'tt think it is a problem to express what we would like to see in the game, after all it is the idea, if we settle for its current state, why update the game? I know is a small company, if they can't give us any of that things because of that, is normal, but if they like any of the things we say, they can do a better game, so don't be limit in your opinions, I think is good to defend the actual way of work of them, but don't limit to that, I'm sure they like to give new things to their games. And no, I don't say that because I want playable characters, just in case I say it in general
paper peak
isaac adds pretty much just the spritesheet for the new dude and then that's that
a supergiant protag needs like 5 hours worth of recorded dialogue
slender linden
im just sayin, some things you might suggest people won't agree with cuz even to them they seem pointless
given the history of the studio and general feel of their other games
people like familiar stuff
and in other cases, people will upvote the hell out of you cause you bring up petting the doggo xD
frosty mountain
what? dog petting is obviously the best feature they can possibly add though. Can you name a better one? I can't
I didn't really follow your earlier conversation, but I get it div suggested more playable characters?
In that case, I think weapons serve a similar purpose as characters in isaac
slender linden
hugging Dusa would be there too, but the dog gets the priority
frosty mountain
on another note, I'd love to see the rest of the furies as 1st bosses
apart from meg
that's more character work, but one can hope
slender linden
and i might be a bit biased but i want a scythe featured as a weapon xD
vestal lodge
@slender linden I couldn't tell...
hexed smelt
the other furies are busy elsewhere, though
slender linden
again, not everyone has to agree with me, scythes arent functional weapons at all
frosty mountain
I can kinda tell, based on your name >:)
frosty mountain
what if they are busy until they develop them and add them to the game
what other weapons would fit the bill for this game? any ideas?
remember, has to fit in ancient greek thematology
slender linden
they're busy helping renovate the rest of the underground
frosty mountain
hey check this kidna wild suggestion out
what if
when the game gets longer and we can get more unique/rare offerings
if you were using shield/sword, you get the other one to complete the sword and board duo
as an uber rare legendary reward or something
slender linden
"UNOvven, leader of the Puntheon Today at 15:29
Well, steam I imagine
But yeah, Scythe for Demeter and Greek Fire for Hestia, thats what I believe will be the last 2 weapons"
there's this guess...
twilit pond
Hephaestus's Labrys/Hammer is a good fit to the roster IMO
slender linden
but we already have a hammer thing
twilit pond
It can be an axe instead
frosty mountain
you don't wield it though
slender linden
i wouldnt complain if it feels like the hammer in bastion, i liked it
slender linden
he'd throw this hammer
frosty mountain
idk
slender linden
it's Zag. he throws everything
frosty mountain
true
slender linden
he'd probably throw the scythe too
frosty mountain
I kinda dislike that tbh
slender linden
i like ranged options
frosty mountain
I don't like that 3/4 weapons have range built in
slender linden
if anything it says something about Zag
frosty mountain
I think that both shield and spear having it is a bit too much
frosty mountain
maybe, who knows
twilit pond
Zag has ranged built in him via cast anyway <_<
frosty mountain
yeah sure
vestal lodge
The real question is when do we get unarmed combat, amirite?
frosty mountain
asking the real questions
slender linden
π
alpine stratus
punch a hydra
slender linden
with your face
twilit pond
That would be weird
humble pollen
Iβm on board with punching hydra
vestal lodge
I mean, punch the lava for good measure
slender linden
infernal headbutt
alpine stratus
PUNCH THE LAVA
winter echo
I still hope he gets cool gauntlets personally as a melee option
signal spoke
im waiting for the day I can rip skellys arm off and take it with me into battle
hexed smelt
@vestal lodge all you hear is a splash followed by zag cursing under his breath because he burned his hand
vestal lodge
omg mad BoTW style?
alpine stratus
zag: ill show the lava whats what
zag: take THAT. i need a burn cream please.
signal spoke
yep
humble pollen
Let me use doggo as my weapon pls
vestal lodge
loooool I love it
hexed smelt
the reverse of the coffee maker
slender linden
or knuckles @_@
twin mason
Doggooooo
hexed smelt
i punched it so it burned my hand
alpine stratus
HFJGNGNV
humble pollen
Hello!
twin mason
:)
twilit pond
I wouldn't mind a second pure ranged weapon
like maybe a nod to Archimedes's mirror
or something idk
slender linden
just let him cast fireballs
alpine stratus
bombs would be cool
signal spoke
im still crossing my fingers for a caduceus
twilit pond
Hmmmm
how would that work though
he is not much of a magic user
and that staff is not for hitting people not really
slender linden
we've estabilished that
he'd just yeet it at the enemy
the summoned it back with pure determination
fiery pebble
Oh wait, Morgan is here
Can you confirm or deny that my theory of the next 2 weapons being the scythe and greek fire, based on the remaining 2 elder gods, sounds plausible?
signal spoke
π
vestal lodge
I can neither confirm nor deny that
fiery pebble
Ill count that as a confirmation
hexed smelt
what kind of answer were you expecting
frosty mountain
greek fire
vestal lodge
But can you confirm or deny that your theory is also your desire for what to see added?
frosty mountain
whus that
fiery pebble
Well, I do love the scythe idea
Greek fire Id have to see concepts first
Since flamethrowers can be very hit or miss
Both figuratively and literally
winter echo
lets combine fire and the melee punch idea and just do flaming fists
frosty mountain
if you're talking about what I think you're talking
hexed smelt
hey i mentioned the coffee mahine thing and physically could not stop myself
fiery pebble
Yeah that works too
hexed smelt
behold a family argument in the house of hades
fiery pebble
I just really really want a scythe
hexed smelt
Hades: So. Who broke it? I'm not mad, I just wanna know.
Zagreus: ...I did. I broke it.
Hades: No. No you didn't. Hypnos?
Hypnos: Don't look at me. Look at Achilles.
Achilles: What?! I didn't break it.
Hypnos: Huh, that's weird. How'd you even know it was broken?
Achilles: Because it's sitting right in front of us and it's broken.
Hypnos: Suspicious.
Achilles: No it's not!
Orpheus: If it matters - probably not - Megaera was the last one to use it.
Megaera: Liar! I don't even drink that crap!
Orpheus: Oh really? Then what were you doing by the coffee cart earlier?
Megaera: I use the wooden stirrers to push back my cuticles. Everyone knows that, Orpheus!
Zagreus: Okay, let's not fight. I broke it, let me pay for it, Hades.
Hades: No! Who broke it!?
Achilles: Hades... Nyx's been awfully quiet.
Nyx: REALLY?!
Hades, being interviewed: I broke it. It burned my hand so I punched it.
I thought Greek Fire was when you get a really spicy batch of Spetzofai
frosty mountain
that came around like 700
fiery pebble
Scythe fits thematically and is usually fun
hexed smelt
(the most ooc part of all this is that it doesn't end immediately with hades being perfectly willing to blame zag)
fiery pebble
Especially if it gets the DMC spin
alpine stratus
JFNGNHNBN THIS GOOD
slender linden
omg its perfect
slender linden
Hades would go like: i know you didnt break it but you're still guilty. now who broke it?
fiery pebble
Now if the question was what weapon I really want to see added
Let us wield Cerberus as a flail
vestal lodge
Three headed flail OP
fiery pebble
Or let us wield Dusa as a flail that can also be used to turn foes into stone
fiery pebble
Why not both
frosty mountain
dusa would be like a petrifying lazer
alpine stratus
hiw can 3 heads be op when were expected to fight a hydra
slender linden
ayyy
fiery pebble
But yeah, give us a Scythe please
And make it have a sweetspot mechanic for skill-rewarding play
frosty mountain
that could be neat
twin mason
Ooh scyyyyythe
frosty mountain
do you envision a greatscythe? or what size
slender linden
hahahah XDD
twin mason
Big scythe
fiery pebble
Well Id envision its range to be between sword and spear
half surge
fiery pebble
Have it have sweeping motions, with sweetspot damage where the blade is
fiery pebble
Maybe have its special be either the circle thing from DMC, the scythe throw from DMC, or a sort of execution pull
half surge
i.e skill
twilit pond
There is only one scythe in greek mythology that I know of and it has an unfortunate story tied to it π (which I love)
fiery pebble
Or maybe have the execution pull be the charge attack
Where you throw it behind the enemy doing small dmaage, then pull it in doing massive damage (which works with backstab
frosty mountain
which one lilian