There's always the chimera
#h1-discussion
stiff trellis
brazen lake
imagine if each of those heads speak two different languages
brisk trail
still more feasible than typhon
buoyant plank
I want to have a fight with the judges of the underworld and it changes depending on what you have focused on that run idk
brazen lake
and they'll have to play a game of chinese whispers to get a message across to a different head
hexed smelt
50 hands means more hands to hold
brazen lake
handholding is to lewd for our christian greek server
dusk root
I want to see something surrounding the gods. They exclusively help at the moment, but what happens if we start adding ways to end up on a god's bad side? Maybe they in turn end up summoning one of the bosses and it varies due to being related to their particular mythology.
buoyant plank
oooo or maybe later later in the devlopment you can do like an oprhpeous run or something where you have to go backwards through the underworld, choosing boons to lose along the way
hexed smelt
the “actually never mind i wanna go home” run
buoyant plank
lol yea
dusk root
"Dad was right but I still won't tell him that" run
hexed smelt
the “i miss my friends” run
buoyant plank
the "no i swear im just going back for my dog" run
brisk trail
the "i forgot to bring meg with me" run
hexed smelt
get in losers we’re going to olympus
mellow wagon
beep beep
brazen lake
the "i need that poster of aphrodite" run
drowsy karma
You get out first time by accident, then, have to fight your way back in to get your friends.
mellow wagon
Charon, put some R'n'B here
dusk root
"I decided to Nyx the whole surface idea" run
buoyant plank
"get in losers we're going to hell"
brazen lake
this is so sad, Orpheus play a song on the lute
mellow wagon
Charon, wouldn't you like a yacht or something? For the dead wind to blow your sails.
Hhahhhahahrrr
buoyant plank
this is so sad, Orpheous play the song of seikilos
mellow wagon
I will sing that when I'll see the sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT-dxG4WWf4
dusk root
Gonna give Charon a yacht and ride the river to hell while Orpheous plays us out.
Also gonna bring an Alexa back down with me to introduce everyone to the wonders of Despacito, for when they're feeling down.
buoyant plank
just you on Charons yacht while kiss from a rose by Seel plays
the ultimate escape
dusk root
Alternatively, you can play I'm Just a Kid by Simple Plan for either escaping or returning.
Because something about Prince Z here just comes across as kind of sulky teenager, even if he does shred the denizens of the Underworld with sometimes ability beyond any God lol
buoyant plank
hades: there will always be three things i miss though, 1: not having to watch my step in every conversation with that damn prince, 2 forget about 2 and 3 it used to be god damn quiet in here till this kid decided to try to escape now i gotta hear him talking all the damn time
eh i tried
limpid vault
brazen lake
gib knife and whip 
hollow heron
toxic copper
K ty @hollow heron
hollow heron
Np
toxic copper
So the answer is "we dont know"? :p
drowsy karma
When its done.
toxic copper
Okay thx guys
drowsy karma
But, man, it worth it's 20$ already.
toxic copper
I know I know
But with Dead Cells for example i played too much before the release and i would have love to discover the gzme on release
It was even better than EA
toxic copper
Ik ik
drowsy karma
You don't crave to continue as much.
toxic copper
Just dont wanna get "bored"
Before the game actualy is finished
But everything in me wants to play Hades
Now :D
Idk, internal battle :p
shrewd flare
But Dead Cells does have a story
It is not exactly told, more like you should discover and understand everything yourself
But there is a story.
drowsy karma
And its not exactly... enticing, i'd say.
shrewd flare
Sadly I didnt beat Dead Cells
Because every time I reach the final boss, I have... how do I put it to avoid the profanity filter... not the best weapons.
hollow heron
I'm gonna go sleep now, tomorrow I'm going to work on maxing out ambrosia, and getting more consistent.
Night everyone 
brazen lake
tomorrow I'm gonna work on not playing this until the next patch
cus I don't wanna get burned out in the first public build dammit
drowsy karma
Yeah, need to turn myself down a bit.
pliant wolf
for the guys making the wiki, just found the athena legendary
its divine protection: ignore the first instance of damage you take in each chamber
vale kite
is there only one legendary boon per god or more
pliant wolf
i think theres only one tbh
worthy yoke
Anyone thinking about speedrunning the game? 😁 I'll make a time tonight
strange monolith
hey guys, not sure where to ask but am I allowed to stream Hades? after the blow up about anthem I don't want to put anything in jeopardy lol.
pliant wolf
i dont think the devs have any problem with it
pliant wolf
if you ping either michael or morgan they can confirm
brazen lake
and the game is available for purchase
pliant wolf
there wont be any issue though
brazen lake
so it would be REALLY weird if they didnt let you stream it
strange monolith
Just covering bases 😃
void vigil
@worthy yoke Dino has been speedrunning the game!
worthy yoke
Ohhh, cool! Any time yet?
void vigil
posted the WR in #h1-story-discussion
brazen lake
make sure that you dont get burned out before the game gets more content
brazen lake
👍
drowsy karma
I started Rimworld over and over and over just because i had 1 new mod xD
quiet jackal
@pliant wolf The sword is the starter weapon, it also has knockback. It is not "just a worse spear". I disagree with that feedback 😇
fiery pebble
Its a worse spear alright
quiet jackal
no.
fiery pebble
The knockback is the only advantage it has, and unfortunately, not a good one
quiet jackal
If you had to purchase it for the same price, yes.
quiet jackal
The sword is free, people cant expect it to be buffed.
spice patrol
2 keys isnt really any kind of barrier
quiet jackal
4*
fiery pebble
Yes they can?
quiet jackal
It's not logical
quiet jackal
Thats subjective
fiery pebble
The starting weapon should be just as good as the future weapons
spice patrol
And yeah, for the game to be balance they can expect it to be buffed. That or it shouldnt get the darkness buff
fiery pebble
Otherwise its wasted
Especially since this is a roguelite
And progression is less of a thing
quiet jackal
No.
Im pretty sure you guys haven't used the sword as much as some other people here
Using the sword with the right boons, makes it the most viable option
Some say it needs a nerf, or rather, the boons it comes with
wheat ermine
which boons?
quiet jackal
Daedalus, zeuz/I-forgot-the-name-heart-boon
fiery pebble
I can tell you with absolute certainty, its not even remotely the most viable option
quiet jackal
No, thats highly subjective in a game based around RNG
fiery pebble
As far as bosskilling goes, the Bow does far more damage, as does the spear
quiet jackal
The sword does not need a buff. I could go as far as accepting sword boons getting nerfed and the sword getting a slight buff
fiery pebble
Since the bows shot has a baseline damage of 40, which with Perfect Shot you can upgrade to 100, benefits from the dash attack, thats another 80, then use Artemis guaranteed Crit Dash, Heartbreaker Strike and sweet surrender
And Bow can easily do 2300 damage per shot
Sword does not even come close to approaching that number
quiet jackal
First of, with bow you have to charge. Perfect shot has to be upgraded - around RNG.
desert atlas
bow also has an amazing special
quiet jackal
I've done 1500 crits with the sword
fiery pebble
You charge for 0.4 seconds
desert atlas
sword special is weird
desert atlas
a build around the bow special is by far way better than sword
quiet jackal
Not faster than a 3-hit combo
fiery pebble
But Sniper Shot and Point Blank shot works better
The 3-hit combo takes a bit over a second, its way slower than the bows charge
desert atlas
yeah^
quiet jackal
You're obviously biased here.
fiery pebble
Or rather, Point Blank works better, Sniper works just as well
desert atlas
you sound like the one who's biased lel Ixozuxiz
fiery pebble
Im not? I played a lot with the sword, its just a bad weapon right now
quiet jackal
I'd like the sword special to not make you static for a time after use, that'd be appreciated
@desert atlas Because I know the sword is overpowered with the right boons? Is that bias?
I dont even use the sword
fiery pebble
Blade Flurry and World Splitter are the only upgrades that makes it at all usable
void vigil
thats one of the main reasons the sword needs a buff
neat musk
UNO beat the game with each weapon, I believe?
fiery pebble
Problem is, even then its not great
void vigil
special animation should be shorter
quiet jackal
@neat musk No, he has not xD
desert atlas
every weapon is overpowered with the right boons with that logic
quiet jackal
@desert atlas Good point.
desert atlas
thing is, the other weapons are much more overpowered than overpowered sword
fiery pebble
Sword was the hardest
quiet jackal
Not for me
desert atlas
like, sec, lemme link you some bow videos
fiery pebble
Ended up being a special-build using Aphrodite
quiet jackal
spear was way more difficult for me, than the sword
ivory fjord
sword is so bad
desert atlas
fiery pebble
Spear was super-easy
desert atlas
have fun doing that on sword
quiet jackal
I don't need videos @desert atlas xD I just play the game and test it out myself
fiery pebble
Get any of the special upgrades on spear
Or get the crit dash on Artemis
And the rest is a piece of cake
quiet jackal
Tried those 😃
ivory fjord
I love the spear because it constantly gets armor break and is super fast
quiet jackal
I think I've tried every boon with every weapon so far 🤔 Unless some are locked behind gifts
fiery pebble
Spear with Special is great
Because its an insane roomclearer
Since its AoE and hits backstabs on the return
desert atlas
I somehow doubt that if you haven't finished gifts tbh
ivory fjord
well except for the mini bosses spear is really bad there
fiery pebble
And incidentally, damage buffs happen to benefit the return portion more
quiet jackal
2,5-3k crits
fiery pebble
Nah, mini-bosses melt against spear special builds too
ivory fjord
I usually don't use special too much because of the animation delays on throw and return
fiery pebble
The one I won with I got 800 damage per special
And it wasnt even a very optimal boon build
ivory fjord
for normal rooms special is amazing against the bomb mini bosses though it is horrible
quiet jackal
I think it boils down to what you like to use actually, it's very subjective these things. Although, up for discussion. The sword definitely isn't bad, from personal experience I had no troubles with it
ivory fjord
too much animation declay
hexed smelt
spear is about the only thing i can reliably get past the skeleton twins with
fiery pebble
Sword is bad, it does little damage, is melee-only, and has few good upgrades
desert atlas
this
ivory fjord
sword is forced into bad combat.......dash hit...dash hit....dash hit but has no cc
fiery pebble
Blade Flurry is the only way I found the basic attack to be manageable
desert atlas
like it's pretty easy to compare the weapons, and it's pretty clear to see sword is the weakest
fiery pebble
But that needs to get good boons
quiet jackal
Thats subjective @fiery pebble If you have difficulty using the sword, and the other people here who dislike it too. But I personally have no problem whatsoever with it - what does that tell you?
quiet jackal
It is though.
ivory fjord
tells you like the playstyle
desert atlas
there's a difference between preference and raw stats
neat musk
He was giving support to his argument, your opinion of "not having trouble with it" is the subjective argument TBH
ivory fjord
I don't like the sword because the shield does everything it can but better
desert atlas
like, I don't prefer spear, I prefer bow - but I realize spear might be the best weapon
fiery pebble
Over the course of a bit more of a second
desert atlas
but I also realize that sword is the weakest
fiery pebble
In a pretty small melee range
desert atlas
in terms of raw DPS output sword just can't keep up
fiery pebble
To compare, Spear does 15 on each hit on a larger range, each of which take less than half a second to execute
quiet jackal
I personally had much better runs with sword and shield, rather than bow and spear. I take it you don't?
Should I then argue that the spear and bow is underpowered and needs buffs?
No, because it's subjective. Why should I ask for a buff, when I simply aren't as good with them?
ivory fjord
I think the sword is fine until you run into shielded minions then it really shows it's weakness
fiery pebble
If you get Blade Flurry, Sword gets a lot better
But even then, its not as good of an upgrade as the ones Spear has, for example
The other problem are the Deathboat, and the witches-only rooms
Sword struggles against both
quiet jackal
I don't even use blade flurry. I use Meg armor with low health, 200% damage bonus and lifesteal + deflect
I don't struggle with the sword UNO 😄
fiery pebble
For the witches-only room, you need to get deflect somehow
vital pier
If someone could clarify, is there an in-game screenshot functionality and im just dumb?
fiery pebble
Not that Im aware of?
neat musk
The life steal appeared to be rather tiny
fiery pebble
It is
quiet jackal
If things are up to discussion, it's very important to keep calm, read what the other people say instead of neglecting it. Otherwise the conversation is just one-way 😄
hexed smelt
i think there is bc my save folder has a screenshot in it
fiery pebble
It might be percentage-based, I only saw it once so I cant confirm if it is
hexed smelt
but i have nooooo idea how i did it lol
fiery pebble
But when I had it, it healed 3 per thrust
neat musk
That's subjective Ixo 
ivory fjord
to me I think the weapons are like choosing your level of difficulty you want your runs to be
quiet jackal
brb, coffee 😄
neat musk
Ambrosia appears to quickly become obsolete, unless I am missing something
desert atlas
are you grinding to complete the game or do you want a better run
vital pier
Anyone else feel weird about enemy wave sizes, like sometimes its 1 > 2 > everyone else
glad fossil
Hi there, i'm not an very active discord user but want to contribute to the wikia of the game. Is there any rule for things we can post and can not on a wikia (besides obvious spoilers ) ?
fiery pebble
It does become obsolete eventually
neat musk
Have given one to everyone, filled out puppy's gift limit and didn't appear to get anything for it
fiery pebble
You get dialogue
neat musk
Ah, I skip all dialogue
desert atlas
at this point I skip most
fiery pebble
Why would you skip Dialogue in a Supergiantgames game?
quiet jackal
What if you're all of that, depending on genre? 🤔
jagged sierra
Hello everyone. Is the 2nd boss the farthest we can go right now? Also where can I report bugs/glitches?
quiet jackal
@jagged sierra write !bug write text here in #hades-feedback-closed
neat musk
#hades-feedback-closed for bugs, use !bug at the start
desert atlas
yes and go to #hades-feedback-closed
jagged sierra
ty ❤
fiery pebble
It is the farthest we can go right now, yes
jagged sierra
I'm so hungry for MOAR
neat musk
First week of early access and all heh
void vigil
sparrow if you figure out how the screenshots work lmk
desert atlas
same
void vigil
the software i was using wasnt rlly working so i uninstalled it and now i have no idea how to get them
where was the screenshot located btw?
hexed smelt
save folder - so for windows that’s documents > saved games > hades, iirc
i’m not home right now or else i’d check sorry
void vigil
no it’s ok! I just checked there and I didn’t have anything so I guess I didn’t find that button
also oh boy I have really good boons and upgrades but only 50 health I hope I survive meg again
this is the first time i get sweet surrender and i have all my death defiances still but im SCARED
frigid dragon
damn, these are some nice upgrades
void vigil
i guess aphrodites keepsake really is worth 25 less health
bc i was using cerberus' one until now
frigid dragon
I use meg's
void vigil
i dont like being low on health im baby
desert atlas
I use aphrodite until meg, then I swap to the earring
hexed smelt
if i wasn’t such a weenie i’d go with a god boon and then switch to earring after meg
desert atlas
glass cannon is the best way to go
tired citrus
So how is the game? I held off due to the store troubles
hexed smelt
but i always use the collar bc i like the safety net
desert atlas
stuff can't kill you if you kill them first
tired citrus
how much content is available currently
void vigil
a good amount
desert atlas
wait not collar, earring
void vigil
if youre not godlike at roguelites itll take you a bit to get to the end of whats available, and even then theres a lot of story and replayability ofc
hexed smelt
i’m about 25 runs deep and i can’t consistently get past meg
void vigil
ok guys im going in wish me luck
frigid dragon
took me around 10 runs before I first cleared meg, then it was good or bad rng that decided if I make it to the hydra
void vigil
i just wish i didnt use up my ambrosia so i could gift her in case i beat her
void vigil
WHAT
desert atlas
before continuing to asphodel
void vigil
oh
desert atlas
you can do it once
void vigil
thats a good strat
vale geode
You can do it all the times
hexed smelt
you can do it as much as you like lmao
vale geode
Just switch to it and off it still on the menu
hexed smelt
but it seems like a big exploit so don’t rely on it
vale geode
It heals in the menu 
desert atlas
wew lel
I have stopped using it tho cause I prefer being below 20% health
for big fat dps
desert atlas
gj
void vigil
im never unequipping aphrodites keepsake
desert atlas
yeh aphrodite is amazing
frigid dragon
aphro is awesome, and ares is bad
desert atlas
but swap to earring after meg, it makes everything way easier
frigid dragon
I get sad everytime I have to get an Ares boon
desert atlas
everything will just melt
I like the ares cast
nothing else is any good though
and artemis and poseidon casts are still better
void vigil
I swapped to artemis’ boon bc I’m nervous about losing health
amber helm
The thing I love about Ares is when I have the shield
Because the curse procs on all the target that got hit during the throw
I love it
desert atlas
thing is, with other gods you'd just do the same damage but immediately
frigid dragon
https://imgur.com/a/kcF5Rb8
my second clear
frigid dragon
btw, ocean's bounty is very good o:
I was getting around 40ish hp each centaur's heart
ivory fjord
I don't mind the cast boon for ares
frigid dragon
had to do the phases, wasn't low health
frigid dragon
but I only proc'd the revive once
brisk trail
Having suddenly realized that this is the perfect place to ask my questions: 1) After unlocking all the weapons and mirror powerups with key, why does it keep coming up in rooms and stuff, what is the purpose? Am I missing something?
ivory fjord
At least with the cast boon from ares you can immediately pick up your cast shards
desert atlas
niiiice
frigid dragon
did two phases, iirc
desert atlas
Unbeknownst, there's no point atm, but they will probably add a way to spend keys later
frigid dragon
I went to the fight with 162 max hp
desert atlas
wew
ivory fjord
I went into hydra fight with 175 hp.....got shredded immiately
brisk trail
@desert atlas thanks! Feels weird at the moment, having to waste rooms for keys
desert atlas
yeh I agree
frigid dragon
if you don't have the dmg, the phases can be very hard
desert atlas
yeah, being able to instantly melt the hydra heads helps a lot
frigid dragon
on my first clear, I did all the phases, ended with... 3 hp? after reviving 4 times
ivory fjord
I had over 200% damage on shield special but it is so buggy in that level damn thing never comes back
brisk trail
2nd question: There is an improvement in the mirror that gives you bonus dmg when you attack right after you dash. Mainly because of this I exclusively use Aegis, and only dash and click, which gets repetitive after a while...
Do you guys think the buff should also apply to Q and Cast?
frigid dragon
shield special isn't reliable, and not very good single target
@brisk trail it would be broken, imo
it's very strong with shield and sword, dashing and attacking
ivory fjord
it isn't reliable because you throw it off the map for no reason at all
seems like they would have thought about putting up a wall on the outside of the map
quick cedar
The shield bash basically stunlocks single targets into a coma
It's the ultimate bullying weapon
ivory fjord
Shield is my favorite until I get past Meg. Then the damn thing never returns
quick cedar
Well, besides the jumpy dudes and bosses
ivory fjord
I use the power shot for the jumping guys
power shot in smash them away dash then throw shield
rinse repeat
brisk trail
@frigid dragon It might become broken, yes, but having that mirror improvement which gives 100% dmg bonus when you dash and click, which is too good to give up... Maybe there should be something similar for Q attacks?
dusk root
My experience is that, by the time you can actually stun enemies in Asphodel, their actual HP sinks like a stone anyways and normal attacks keep them in check. I near never use the shield charge.
ivory fjord
good way to power through elites
frigid dragon
@brisk trail Q attacks can be very strong if you have the right boons, so I don't think so
both my first and second clears were Q builds
with spear and bow
dusk root
Plays with controller and doesn't know what attack Q is
frigid dragon
the special
the throw your shield away thing
the sword's Q needs to be buffed tho
the delay is too big
and lacks damage to one shot most things
):
brisk trail
@frigid dragon how did you manage to clear with that spear Q? It takes too long to charge, which means I'm dead. Also the sword's Q takes time. Did you improve it with boons?
dusk root
Sword special is trash. Spear special is overshadowed by the spin, really.
frigid dragon
the spear Q is the throw and get back again thing
I just happened to get very good epic boons for it
so I decided to run with it
ivory fjord
Q = special attack that is much easier
brisk trail
@frigid dragon Oh, right. I mistook it with long click attack
ivory fjord
I think all the weapons are bad for hydra fight
brisk trail
@ivory fjord The unnerfed Aegis with deflect or nerfed one with the Athena boon helps a lot, I managed to finally clear the run
dusk root
All weapons are great for Hydra if you just buff one aspect of your build to oblivion and do insane damage lol
frigid dragon
It was nice to see it critting over 350 tho
but the dps itself was low, since it had the throw and get back animations
neat musk
If that's the strat to beat Hydra, I wonder how interesting the rest of the game after Hydra will be
dusk root
The shield special shines in the current late game if you have the blessing so that it returns after one hit.
neat musk
Hydra will be a bottle neck, insane builds pass, others don't. So how do you make the gameplay interesting past the point where only insane builds live
ivory fjord
I hate that buff
frigid dragon
as long as you have reflect, you don't have to worry too much about the mobs, the problem is having some kind of reflect + dmg to melt the hydra 
ivory fjord
I think they need to worry about optimization before anything else
midnight bay
I think Hydra is purposefully overtuned atm
dusk root
You don't need an insane build to beat Hydra. My build was only okay and I managed to get through first try.
midnight bay
Like, it’ll be nerfed once more floors are added
ivory fjord
the game is really jerky and huge memory leak
neat musk
That's very possible, Glass
brisk trail
@midnight bay I agree, since it currently is the final content.
frigid dragon
I hope the hydra don't get nerfed
midnight bay
The arena could be made bigger though
ivory fjord
I dought it since the game is ment to be extremely hard
worthy yoke
@frigid dragon Even if there's 6 more floors to get through? 😄
ivory fjord
sometimes meg is enough problem to ruin a run
midnight bay
As of right now the arena is the main source of difficulty IMO and that isn’t a good thing going forward
frigid dragon
the more you fight against the bosses, the better you get
dusk root
Hydra is guaranteed to be retuned down the way. Not soon, maybe not even by the first major update, but eventually. The fight doesn't work so well if it gets prolonged at this point. You basically get pushed out by everything else going on.
neat musk
The arena?
brisk trail
Not to stray away from the topic, but... Even with all that many keepsakes available, aside from that ranged bonus one that probably helps ppl who use ranged weapons, I only ever use Cerberus +25hp until First Fury, and then the one that gives 200% dmg when you are at or below 20% hp. Anybody has any other tips for making other keepsakes more useful? (besides that keep the gold after death one to better decorate the room)
violet temple
If i want to run as non steam game in steam, do i pick 64 or 86 client?
midnight bay
So much going on in such a small space
frigid dragon
I used the 200g thing
to get the aphrodite poster
😂
it's actually good if you're grinding
frigid dragon
and ok-ish till meg
but that's it
some things are just bad
the 50%- front dmg 50+ back dmg taken
is terrible
vale kite
isnt it 20%
void vigil
but it is funny, because achilles
frigid dragon
It might be, I don't remember
void vigil
turns out the aphrodite keepsake is really really good
dusk root
I can't find a reason to use most of the keepsakes I've received. Many are way too situational to have any potential to be incredibly useful. Skull Earring is also basically the only viable choice in Asphodel.
frigid dragon
they should, however, instead of nerfing the hydra or other bosses/mobs, add an option to make the game easier. Not everyone can clear rogue-likes, as it can be very frustrating s:
vale kite
use the gods' keepsakes
brisk trail
The problem with all the boon guaranteer keepsakes is that they don't guarantee that your first room has the boon, they only guarentee when you were gonna get a boon anyway... Which makes me feel that I could've been getting something that actually matters. And most importantly, after you get the boon, all those keepsakes become dead weight. I think it needs to be fixed.
vale kite
it does help a lot
they dont because the god's boons are more powerful when you have the keepsake equipped
frigid dragon
how to get the god's keepsakes? I have to gift them before getting the boon?
frigid dragon
Ic
brisk trail
@vale kite Yeah, the first one that was guaranteed is "more powerful," which, in my experience was very underwhelming. And then it is done I think. I'm not sure if it keeps working for the same God throughout your run, but still, there is a lot of chance involved in that... I had some runs that I had 0 God boon before First Fury, and that sucks.
vale kite
jesus
ivory fjord
Yeah how do you gift the gods anyways?
ivory fjord
They don't actually show up they send a message
brisk trail
@ivory fjord you do it before using the boon
vale kite
you should get the option to gift them a bottle when you walk up to the boon thing
brisk trail
Collar up to the First Fury, and then the Earring
ivory fjord
I never use Meg's because I don't plan on getting hit or dying
vale kite
i think it's welcome against hydra
brisk trail
Yeah, I think it is a must for Hydra
vale kite
cuz i keep getting hit
ivory fjord
if you are at 20% you probably aren't going to make it
hexed smelt
in asphodel you can stand in lava to intentionally damage down for the earring
vale kite
death defiance
brisk trail
@ivory fjord that's why the death defiances are a thing
vale kite
@hexed smelt yeah but i dont think you want to do that before the boss 😐
unless you're really good at dodging i suppose
hexed smelt
i mean i guess the answer there is git gud
vale kite
ivory fjord
yeah.......you aren't dodging everything in hydra something is going to hit you
hexed smelt
i say, never having reached hydra myself
vale kite
oh you're gonna LOVE it
hexed smelt
it’s a risk/reward thing
ivory fjord
which one?
vale kite
even with avenging gain i take a boatload of damage from it because i'm too aggressive
ivory fjord
yeah and there are 2 hydra heads behind those stones
frigid dragon
if you stand there, you barely get hit by the hydra's homing missiles
ivory fjord
yeah.....and the other hydra heads still hit you
frigid dragon
well yes, and you need to kill them
ivory fjord
you can't just camp behind there
frigid dragon
that's the thing
you stay behind one
throw everything
dash to the other
and try to survive
it's bettern than running around
since the homing missiles destroy your healthpool
brisk trail
Not unless you deflect 😄
ivory fjord
Can the missiles be deflected? Some one earlier was saying they cannot be?
vale kite
they cant
ivory fjord
I remember trying it and ate 3 missiles to the face so I didn't think so
brisk trail
Then I was wrong to think that I was deflecting them, but in those instances with too many effects the game becomes jerky so I'm not the one to adjudicate that 😄
vale kite
tbh at one point i was dashing around hydra's room
and then i thought "wait where am i"
ivory fjord
yeah optimization is really bad right now hope they work on that first before anything
vale kite
only to realize i somehow got out of the arena and was taking damage from the lava
hexed smelt
i feel like having the option to turn on an outline for zag would be good
brisk trail
@vale kite I know how that feels 😄 But funny, I thought the fps drops were happening because of my potato of a laptop with 525m
ivory fjord
At one point the game was using up 2.3g ram
I restarted but couldn't get it below 1.6g
jagged sierra
I got stuck so much while fighting that Hydra that I'm considering using Nyx's gift
frigid dragon
you can reflect the lava adds from the other hydra's heads
jagged sierra
I feel like getting blocked while dashing all the time
frigid dragon
but not the homing missiles from the main head
vale kite
nyx's gift is basically clipping through people
frigid dragon
nyx's gift should also give you movespeed, so it could be usable
jagged sierra
yep, I felt like getting body blocked by the other heads a few times. idk
frigid dragon
only non-colliding... it's too weak of an effect
brisk trail
By the way... I just checked the pinned messages, and saw that as of now we will have to pay for the game again when it is out of early access /: /: /: But my Steam achievements, and my friends...
How do you feel about this?
*if we want to have it on Steam, that is
ivory fjord
The keepsakes feel like they are not set up properly. Since you can only have 1 most of them are going to go unused. Seems like a waste of a game mechanic
frigid dragon
if you want to play on steam, yes, you'll have to pay again
ivory fjord
Steam sucks anyways so......meh
green rock
the keepsakes are pretty analogous to the drinks in bastion -- so you're not gonna play all them super often I don't think. That said, this game has done a better job of getting me to switch up my build/weapon/keepsake than just about anything else
frigid dragon
Nyx's and Achille's, imo
fiery pebble
Achilles' is fine as a crutch
frigid dragon
it's definitely better than transistor at making you change builds, for sure 
brisk trail
Anybody knows how Achilles work when you step on traps? I feel like I get more dmg
ivory fjord
Going to be very hard to balance when you can only pick 1. The 1 op item is going to get picked (unless you want a certain buff). Some will never be used.
jagged sierra
Dusa's is the best Kappa
fiery pebble
The thing is that there isnt really one op one
Well
There is because Aphrodite is OP herself
fiery pebble
Otherwise its just whatever god you want
ivory fjord
its either collar or god buff
void vigil
i hope aphrodite doesnt get nerfed somehow
vale kite
by the power of thot god
frigid dragon
meh, idk, maybe aphro get nerfed, but the other gods are good too
hexed smelt
honestly w keepsakes i wouldn’t be surprised if skelly’s was supposed to be a joke bc it’s just. silly.
frigid dragon
except ares, maybe
vale kite
i will defeat my foes with love and friendship and this sword i found
ivory fjord
how did they make the god of war the worst one?
lol
and the god of love the most op
frigid dragon
the curse damage is good, but it's fixed
fiery pebble
The only real issue with Aphro is sweet surrender
frigid dragon
so it falls heavily in the later stages
fiery pebble
Id say other gods just need unique boons on that level
Also it needs to be nerfed a bit
frigid dragon
she and athena gives the most damage to your attacks/specials
both giving weakening and deflect
so they end up being the 2 best goddess
more utility = better
fiery pebble
I dont actually think there is a difference in the damage values
brisk trail
What are you guys talking about? Athena deflect + dmg and Artemis crit after dash are unbeatable... Followed by Zeus's strike who damages you, maybe...
fiery pebble
Aphrodite gives you a 100% damage boost that stacks multiplicatively
ivory fjord
yeah.......
frigid dragon
the thing is, they are always good
ivory fjord
and weakness
frigid dragon
while Artemis can be useless depending on your weapon/other goons
void vigil
I’m on chamber 22 out of 27 hell yeah
frigid dragon
Poseidon and Zeus can be very good too, but don't give %dmg like Athena or Aphrodite
green rock
i've been doing some poseidon based knock-back builds with extra wall slam... very fun
frigid dragon
if you have 200%+ dmg on your attacks, +50% dmg reduction, +100%extra damage on weakened
there's nothing you can't beat
green rock
i think the worst ability change is from dash => surge. surge feels so clunky by comparison
ivory fjord
any dash that is slow is ultra bad
frigid dragon
however, you must get all the right boons
surge is too cluncky atm, I think it will get fixed or reworked
ivory fjord
the only dash upgrades I use are Artemis and zeus
vale kite
surge is so bad rn
frigid dragon
athena's dash are also great
brisk trail
Ares dash is even worse
frigid dragon
can damage twice and weakens the target
frigid dragon
^you're right swaped the names
brisk trail
Artemis dash and that Aphro dash and Zeus dash, I think
frigid dragon
athena's the slow your dash but get reflect thing
frigid dragon
to be fast, you mean?
ivory fjord
not be
brisk trail
More important than slow, Poseidon and Ares dashes remove your ability to "teleport."
That teleport-ish dashes are too good to give up
ivory fjord
and the distance feels shorter than the double dash
novel leaf
They give invulnerability which could be good if you weren't left standing still at the end for a while
ivory fjord
lol till you try them on the bosses and eat everything to the face
hoary orchid
what are The Thoughts on the recycled sound effects from pyre
dusk root
Unless a sound effect is incredibly unique, re-use away.
vale kite
i think they're fitting
narrow yew
Yeah depends on what sounds they reused
If its something like glass breaking or metal hitting metal then I suppose it doesn't matter too much
brisk trail
@hoary orchid I LOVE Pyre, and that's why this game instantly clicked for me. The art and narrative style, the font, the music... All worked great for me.
narrow yew
But if they say used the Bull sound from bastion for an enemy in the game I would be a little disapointed
dusk root
Like some games have sound effects that are very much associated with that game and shouldn't be re-used. If just some general sound effects were re-used for say a sword striking or a door unlocking, that's nothing to be concerned over.
narrow yew
*Pyth sound
I cant decide weather or not to get Pyre or Hades ;-;
I only have Transistor and Bastion
And I love them both
vale kite
there's a 1% chance for charon to be replaced with falcon ron when you enter a charon room
get it bc their names are similar
short crest
how do you guys find Hades so far? i like roguelikes and love Supergiant Games, is this game worth a shot?
ivory fjord
It is very good
brisk trail
@narrow yew If someone would have told me that I would be playing a "magic basketball" game for countless hours, even so far to get full achievements on Steam, I would have laughed my ass off, but that game is just that GOOD.
The music and the vibe especially fits the winter mood, so I really recommend it. The story is quite long too.
ivory fjord
I have 9 hours in and got to hydra 3 times but have not killed him yet. Game has a ton of replayablity.
narrow yew
@short crest If theres one thing I know about Supergiant games, its that all of their games are worth it
narrow yew
ikr
dusk root
@short crest There are definitely some things to work out, but yeah, as Rhetorical said, if you like Supergiant, you'll like this.
narrow yew
None of this 60$ stuff
short crest
@brisk trail i like Pyre the least. enjoyed the story and the whole shabang except the 'basketball' tbh. the game was good anyway
frigid dragon
between Pyre and Hades, atm, I'd go with Pyre
ivory fjord
$20 bucks and a guaranteed 18 months of new content to come
narrow yew
Although I could totally see them making decent money if they wanted to raise the prices
novel leaf
The content is fairly limited at the moment, but there is a ton of potential and right now you'll get at least a few hours worth of gameplay out of it, and in the future likely much more imo
narrow yew
For now
short crest
well i will probably buy Hades anyway, I just love the feel and polish of Supergiant Games games
narrow yew
I loved Bastion
frigid dragon
yes, for now.
narrow yew
Yeah
dusk root
To be fair, I do expect the game to go up in price over time. It's good to jump in now at $20 if you are feeling comfortable with the amount of content and promises of updates.
frigid dragon
My fav is still Transistor tho
ivory fjord
I don't think I have ever seen a game go up in price
narrow yew
Yeah non of their games have really gone up
dusk root
Price raising is common with Early Access titles.
Lower price when new to entice people to play and test.
frigid dragon
the only sad thing, is that it was... kinda obvious, that ending
narrow yew
Lol I played through Transistor in one sitting when it came out in mobile and my phone kept me warm for a night
dusk root
Higher price when product is nearer completion.
narrow yew
Thats true
brisk trail
@ivory fjord Dead Cells did go up, but they announced it from the beginning.
frigid dragon
still beautiful and sad
narrow yew
But all of their games have been low priced for how high quality they are
frigid dragon
and the only game I got all the achievs on steam
brisk trail
I started Transistor like 4 times, but couldn't go on... Maybe I should give it another try.
narrow yew
I loved the Narration style of it very unique
frigid dragon
the best thing about supergiant is the narrator, imo
narrow yew
Tru
frigid dragon
followed by the awesome music
ivory fjord
I can still hear you old man
narrow yew
me
brisk trail
Pyre reading was exceptionally good
short crest
yeah i loved when Red sung in that theather... their writing art music everything is insane
narrow yew
Umgggg
frigid dragon
hums away
narrow yew
Just all of their Music
brisk trail
We shall thank Darren Korb for that. He even voices Zagreus in Hades, that guy has talent.
ivory fjord
steam has been a dumpster fire for years now
narrow yew
True
brisk trail
@short crest heads up, you'll have to buy it again for Steam when the game launches... I didn't know that.
narrow yew
I hope Humble Bundle adds the Epic Games launcher to their product codes soon
short crest
what do you mean? @brisk trail if i buy it now in alpha i will have to buy it again later? O_o
narrow yew
Cause I got Bastion in a bundle and thats when I first played it
short crest
early access* then
brisk trail
@short crest only if you want it for Steam
short crest
well ye obviously 😛
narrow yew
YOu dont have to rebuy it tho
void vigil
no, you only have to pay for it once
ivory fjord
the games are linked to the store you buy it on
narrow yew
^
void vigil
its just if you want it on another platform or store
brisk trail
@void vigil Steam achievements are a thing for some people, sadly
ivory fjord
@brisk trail yeah I have never understood that
frigid dragon
@short crest currently, it's on epicgames, after it's full launch, it will be released for steam, and probably for ps4/xbow latter on
void vigil
im happy to support supergiant and im sure itll be at least a year from now so money isnt a big issue
short crest
tbh supporting Supergiant games by buying the game twice is fine in my book
ivory fjord
this game is going to blow up on switch
My daughters love torchlight 2 so they are going to eat this game up
brisk trail
@void vigil I'll probably buy it again too, and since the game had regional pricing on Epic Store, I'm sure it will have it on Steam too, so that makes it around 10-12 $ in my country.
ivory fjord
torchlight 3 is being developed now in case you didn't know
void vigil
oh thats nice
brisk trail
It's Torchlight Frontiers, an MMO
void vigil
epic doesnt have regional pricing for me
brisk trail
not Torchlight 3, sadly /:
void vigil
but we should probably go to off topic to talk about other games and the epic store
tepid spindle
Torchlight frontiers, last weekend was alpha for some people
ivory fjord
@brisk trail same thing
brisk trail
@ivory fjord Well... Torchlight franchise was never MMO before, so I'm not sure you can call it the successor of the 2
solar coral
hexed smelt
👏 👏 👏
real narwhal
I still cant reach hydra
random helm
how does that one upgrade where you "counter attack and heal" work
ive never seen it proc / don't understand it
ivory fjord
just give it time to build up some of your starting states and keepsakes you'll get there
sometimes you just don't get the buffs you need either
stats
brisk trail
@random helm It works when you almost instantly attack the monster who damaged you
brisk trail
It is great actually, I recommend maxing it, especially since there are those rooms in which you only need to survive for 60 seconds of endless mobs, and getting 60% hp back is nice.
dusk root
Those endless rooms can be a run ender, so having anything to keep you going is highly recommended.
I've gotten one early enough on that I couldn't possibly be prepared enough to balance defeating enemies with running to live. Getting some HP back after getting hit would have meant survival, but I didn't have the ability yet at that point.
brisk trail
@drowsy karma How I would die for a database, so that I would choose my boons more wisely... But as of now the game is only days old and in early access, so I don't expect it soon.
drowsy karma
I just want art.
brisk trail
are there any progresion resets planned as the game gets major updates?
dusk root
None announced at this time, but I wouldn't be surprised if after some major updates, it's encouraged to start a new game.
void vigil
SAME i hate them so much
give me a keepsake that makes thieves not spawn because theyre my least favorite
brisk trail
@sudden zinc omg those little bastards, and their big cousins that throw huge bombs...
sudden zinc
i hate pot people with hate of one thousand suns
dusk root
I don't mind any of the enemies, really. The pots are super easy to handle with casts.
frigid dragon
Witches.
dusk root
Shield or spear throw also makes short work of the pots. Bow is simply a natural counter to them.
frigid dragon
The witches in Asphodel sometimes go to the lava and spamm non stop their orbs
and I can't go there to kill them because of lava grr
lofty ravine
hi, i need help, how do i begin playing after the 1st death? i cant seem to go down into the "arena"
dusk root
Unless you're using Sword, those should still be manageable to kill with ranged abilities.
hasty frost
yeah the witches of asphodel feel
overtuned tbh
sudden zinc
time to let meg kill me cause i messed up my build OwO
hexed smelt
go to the window surrounded by pink fire, that's how you get out
void vigil
straight and down
lofty ravine
im on the cliff, starting down onto the green city, cant seem to find any way to jump down
dusk root
Other side of that room
void vigil
its in the exact opposite direction
void vigil
dw about it youre not the only one who had difficulty finding it
lofty ravine
i didnt think to look around the room tbh
dusk root
I will say, it would have been nice if the exit was that overview.
real narwhal
pro tip to get perfect ladning, mash the a button, yw
dusk root
It's like, here's this big view of Tartarus, naturally available after picking your keepsake and weapon, and then the start is actually this door that you can only find based on the light on the opposite side of the room.
void vigil
i thought it was weird at first that the exit wasnt the overview
but it makes sense for the exit to be in the same space as your weapons and keepsakes
hexed smelt
and here i am never having once thought that the overview was the exit
void vigil
and also skelly
hexed smelt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hasty frost
anyway
like I was saying
the witches of asphodel feel like it’s super hard to do anything with them spamming like 4 of them with so many orbs 😱
Oh I didn’t think it was over there either since Zag monologues lmao
real narwhal
same, at first i was like "how to i get out"
hexed smelt
the asphodel witches have more orbs than the elite witches in tartarus and it's paaaainful
real narwhal
"is there a bug not letting me jump from the overview?"
hasty frost
It sure was lol
dusk root
I picked up the hint about the exit right away so I knew, but it's more a general criticism of the room's overall design in that the start point could feel more like a natural part of the area. It currently feels like a placeholder starting position as it stands.
real narwhal
btw that skelly tutorial gai 3d model is a placeholder right/
fiery pebble
Well, Ive got an interesting choice to make now
Do I go for Ares attack do more damage boon because its better
Or for his legendary boon because its more interesting
hasty frost
What’s his leg boon? 👀
fiery pebble
Cast and Dash creates a Blade vortex that draws enemies in
I think Ill go for it, its more interesting
neat musk
After beating the game, I would go with interesting over power
real narwhal
surge suksss
hasty frost
Yea lmao
real narwhal
got it once, never again
hasty frost
f
fiery pebble
And it doesnt actually increase damage
But bloody hell, its good
It draws enemies in from pretty far away
Amazing for roomclears
hasty frost
I’ve done a few surges but not being able to dash across gaps is a huge drawback for me :’(
alpine stratus
watch yr language unovven
half surge
And dashing through walls
hasty frost
oh that too
fiery pebble
Yeah, my bad
Also, jeez
It crashed the game
Lets see if my run was saved
It wasnt :S
quiet jackal
My run died as well
fiery pebble
So note for the future:
real narwhal
i got so many crashes at start
fiery pebble
Dont spam casts when you have that boon
fiery pebble
Mmh
Ill try a special build on the shield I think
Even if its bad in Asphodel
Because the other Hammer upgrades are pretty eh
real narwhal
am still getting rekt in asphodel
quiet jackal
@real narwhal Well, do it easy mode. Find an artemis upgrade, give it a gift before you use it. You get an item that will give you artemis boons like crazy during Tartaros. Die, equip the item. Use the spear.
Once playing, upgrade your X ability. Y isn't as important if you want easymode. Dash is good as well, try getting epic upgrades on X.
Find a daedalus upgrade, if you're lucky you'll find the "300% extra damage to Armor" buff. Get it, you don't need to upgrade it.
Next time you get a daedalus, get the "X charging speed is faster"
Hold X and let go, watch the whole room die instantly.
If you find "Extra critical damage", use that as well, moar power to you
drowsy karma
That was everyone's experience of Asphodel at start, @real narwhal
fiery pebble
Thats about my only complaint with shield
So many of the hammer upgrades just feel weak as hell
brisk trail
LANGUAGE
hasty frost
What was the shield upgrade that got removed? Like the description
violet temple
most ppl playing on controller or mkb?
hasty frost
I play on kmb
ivory walrus
am I the only one who thinks Zagreus looks like an aged up Karkat?
hasty frost
cursed
real narwhal
i play on controller, havent even tried kmb
ivory walrus
it was the first thing I thought when I saw him 
hasty frost
Why did you put this image in my head 
dusk root
This is the type of game that felt meant for a controller, so that was my go to.
fiery pebble
I think it was +500% damage on deflect
dusk root
Stick dead zones need a bit of tweaking to keep aim from taking on a life of its own, and that's not configurable from the user end as far as I'm aware, but otherwise controller feels really good for Hades.
dusk root
I've had a few moments where I was aiming one way, fired, and suddenly I was facing the other way and firing behind me. Not totally ideal, but not super often for occurrences at least.
lyric frost
You should post that bug with the not-critting with the shield in #hades-feedback-closed
rigid widget
hello, well, wanted to submit a bug report related to the mechanics of the game, wich chan should i use ?
hasty frost
#hades-feedback-closed @rigid widget
fiery pebble
Im not sure its a bug
dusk root
You can always submit noting it's a potential bug with your findings. If unintentional in any way, it brings it to their attention. Better than letting a potential issue sit.
dusk root
Just a general tip, but bug reports are as good for suspected bugs as things you know for sure are bugs. Not all bugs are blatantly obvious. Many are just a bit of inconsistency. I'd generally suggest marking something as a bug if it relates to game mechanics not performing consistently or as anticipated.
dusk root
Sure, but that's just how it goes. If something is unintentionally over performing, it's something that devs would definitely want to squash.
fiery pebble
Yeah, now that I think Ive seen all of the shield hammer upgrades
Theyre really disappointing
desert atlas
the +500% deflect damage used to be completely and utterly broken
because you deflected permanently on day1 by just sitting still
fiery pebble
Yeah it was
But beyond that
Defensive Aura is just kinda boring
Minotaur rush is bad
desert atlas
yeah I never used any of the others
fiery pebble
The increase speed of charge is actually decent and fun
The 2 flight upgrades are bad because the special isnt so great
And the remove knockback and do 150% damage is ok
Just not interesting
Nothing really changes how you play, or makes a particular build better
brisk trail
Are Daedalus upgrades better and more fun for the other weapons?
desert atlas
there should be one that actually gave you two shields so you could attack after using special
Daedelus for bow is awesome
and for spear too
fiery pebble
Yeah
Bow and Spear have great Daedalus upgrades
And Sword has a few that at least change how you play, even if sword is bad
brisk trail
B..But guys... Can you make it so that you can benefit from the bonus of atk after dash mirror upgrade? I think with bow it's near impossible, no?
fiery pebble
Actually, with bow its easy
You dash then immideatly charge a perfect shot
The damage applies anyway
Part of why bow is actually really good
brisk trail
@fiery pebble so the perfect shot applies anyway although you did not attack right after dash? nice
dusk root
It's the bow equivalent to attacking right after dodge since there's no instant fire.
fiery pebble
Well, you did attack right after dash
Yknow its funny
The upgrades feel bad on shield
But shield is still an amazing weapon
brisk trail
I managed to clear the run with shield, thanks to Artemis deflect boon. It is too good to miss imho.
fiery pebble
Well, except Sudden Rush
Sudden Rush is a great Daedalus upgrade
Even if it doesnt make the weapon that much better
brisk trail
Does it make Q faster?
lyric frost
Which one is that?
fiery pebble
It makes the charge fater on shield
brisk trail
Yeah, I didn't like that
fiery pebble
Great for zooming around the battlefield
midnight bay
Yeah shield is just good on its own merits
fiery pebble
Very fun
lyric frost
I had fun with it, just charging halfway across the map
half surge
Shield will be great for speedruns even if it gets nerfed a bunch, because of the speed
midnight bay
Yeah charge spam is ridiculously fun
brisk trail
Well, for once, shield attack is actually has a range, which makes sense, since you are just swooshing the shield to attack
dusk root
I beat my one run so far using Shield, but making a cast/revenge build.
fiery pebble
On a sidenote, Shield has an interesting interaction with dodges on the shield spam
Charge spam I mean
If you dodge right behind the enemy during the dash
You can get backstab damage
analog fog
this is probably a question you get a lot but is this game coming to steam eventually?
brisk trail
Yes, when it is out in early 2019
analog fog
okay, ty
void vigil
midnight bay
Actually a list of FAQs is pinned in this channel
dusk root
Yes*. FAQ indicates intent to expand to other platforms, but nothing firmly stated as guaranteed.
analog fog
im sorry, i should have looked more
drowsy karma
Okay guys.
I just derped out hard.
Did you know, that with the spear, you can charge the attack and DASH with it?
brisk trail
what?
dusk root
I read that bit yesterday. Didn't know it myself the few times I used the spear. Thought the spin was way more situational.
dusk root
Easy backstabs, and it makes for devastation with a buffed spin attack.
brisk trail
So you charge it to the max, and dash?
fiery pebble
Doesnt work on shield unfortunately
drowsy karma
Yeap.
dusk root
Spear has easy potential to be the strongest weapon due to the simple charge, dash, release.
worthy yoke
Why does sound settings reset every time you do anything 
brisk trail
I should try my next complete run with spear then.
@worthy yoke Yeah, it annoys me as well
dusk root
@worthy yoke Unknown but I've seen a few reports today alone about sound settings resetting. I imagine it will be hit before long with patches.
brisk trail
But mostly only when I exit and relaunch the game
dusk root
Would be nice if they were static. Max music volume feels high for me, and I prefer keeping it closer to 60%.
brisk trail
SFX gets really tiring after a while, so I do max voice, 80% music, and like 30% SFX
dusk root
Asphodel ramps things up immediately. An early death there the first time is not uncommon.
fiery pebble
There we go, another successful run with the shield
Its still good and fun, just wish it had better upgrades
radiant star
@dusk root ok cool thank you
scarlet wolf
Has it been mentioned that after meg you can switch back and forth the old spiked collar and completely heal yourself?
dusk root
@fiery pebble Yeah that’s the only thing about the Shield. As a weapon, it’s the easiest to use and most viable for a player beating the game for the first time in particular. The upgrades are underwhelming though and caused me to actually rely on buffs to Casting to make it through. The Shield ended up being the supplementary damage.
fiery pebble
I mean its still good for just doing damage later one
Since its got really high base damage
dusk root
For sure. I made sure to get the Aphrodite blessing on it to buff the base attack while adding weak.
brisk trail
@scarlet wolf it sometimes locks the collar, but i'm not aware of this
scarlet wolf
You can do it without exiting the keepsake window, it won’t lock any keepsake this way
brisk trail
People, I simply don't understand the purpose of casting, the thing that has 1-3 ammo and sticks into enemies until you kill them. Until now, I almost never used it, and each time I used it I regretted it deeply
hasty frost
Casting can get wild
dusk root
@brisk trail On its own, casting is purely supplementary. With buffs, casting is insanely strong.
scarlet wolf
Just wanna know if some1 already reported as a bug
hasty frost
The problem is (which I think is an issue overall) is that you need to put a ton of buffs onto it
dusk root
I had four casts with homing on the nearest enemy with multiple projectiles on each cast. It destroyed so many things with just casts.
brisk trail
Even with buffs, it just breaks my dash-attack-dash combo, and lets me get hit by things
hasty frost
like I could have cast do 200+ multi damage with true shot but then my atk, special, etc are gonna take a backseat when I get those poms
dusk root
I was wiping the big Skelebombers in four casts.
brisk trail
And is it even useful for the First Fury and Hydra?
vital fern
on it's own, cast is useful for when your weapon lacks range options (i.e. sword) and when you are scared and want to kite something to death, like meg for the first 3 times
dusk root
It’s great against Meg since she drops casts pretty regularly. For Hydra it was safe and powerful damage for me.
Granted, my cast was supplemented by a gently buffed shield and the revenge lightning blessing.
The revenge lighting is wonderful against those laser crystals. They hit you for one damage, get blasted for 150.
hasty frost
I mean the one thing with the ea rn is that we might not be seeing a normal progression of mobs?? like
Idk the difficulty between the two levels is much rn that the amount of damage needed may be like
V different when the next content update drops
We just don’t know :3
low venture
I don't know why everyone's so down on Cast. Once you get 3 or 4, they're super useful, especially with a Boon
dusk root
If you’re confident, a safe boss strat would actually be to let the boss hit you to let revenge bolt trigger repeatedly, get to Skull Earring activation, battle legitimately. Would be free damage for activating your damage boost, basically. Not good for trying to one phase the Hydra, but viable against Meg.
hasty frost
Cast is like what? 40 damage?
slow ravine
They're just annoying to use IMO
dusk root
Yeah, there really isn’t a bad Cast upgrade. They are all viable as help or main damage.