Exactly like Transistor
B O I
#h1-discussion
snow horizon
brazen lake
what elements of pyre are in hades?
snow horizon
Character splash art is much more Pyre than Transistor
brisk trail
from what i ve seen so far the art style is closest to pyre , but def not the same
brazen lake
oh yeah that makes sense
crimson osprey
@snow horizon I disagree
snow horizon
Isometric view was there since forever
tulip wyvern
Fire? And blerd.
crimson osprey
I'm comparing Athena to the black mandolin and they couldn't look any more different
tulip wyvern
Fire is your family, BOI. Fire, and hedwyn and ti'zo, and jodariel, and bae, and rukey, and...
crimson osprey
shadows are way more prominent
left bramble
Pyre elements : World art (like background stuff) is very reminiscent of the sort, and some of the character splash art as well. Transistor elements : A lot of the visual style of combat as well as the room layouts. Bastion : More of the different weapons & playstyles they create for combat.
crimson osprey
the outlines are thicker, as well
runic holly
Is there a difference when trying to buy it with a debit card instead of the credit card it says on Epic Games? Or does it have to be a credit card specifically?
brisk trail
@left bramble YES.. couldnt have said it better
rigid bloom
tfw you had an entire lecture for your video game music, art, and development class about Pyre, and instead you wake up to Hades being released.
oak crane
@runic holly When it says "credit card" it means either
runic holly
Alright, thank you.
oak crane
No problem! :0
snow horizon
Fair points, @crimson osprey
maiden fiber
Regarding Pyre similarities, the aim lines are based more on Pyre than either other game
crimson osprey
obviously the art direction is the same but Hades' character art looks more... comic-ish?
everyone looks extra edgy
brisk trail
im so thankful for jen zee 
rigid bloom
There's more contrast in the art style; Jen Zee is adding clearer blacks and lines in Hades.
snow horizon
Inb4 Hades is actually a thoughtful family drama about power, authority, and identity
vestal lodge
brisk trail
morgan 
livid herald
The game is gorgeous but I wonder if they're going to be updating the asset as they go along, certain characters like Ares look a little unfinished
digital ice
I’m really enjoying hades so far. Also 16 deaths based on my save data!
Should there be a hades spoiler channnel or?
snow horizon
I don't suppose we can keep it spoiler-free until it's out of EA anyway, so
oak crane
I hope Persephone is in the game hh
livid herald
Dusa is best girl
left bramble
I mean, don't try and just spout hardcore story spoilers but people are in a channel specifically talking about a game in early access.... If they come to a channel reading about Hades and read about Hades how mad can you be
crimson osprey
unreasonably mad?
left bramble
underlines the word unreasonably
crimson osprey
I'm here trying to gather info on the development schedule and the soundtrack and stuff
despite no one knowing anything
I wouldn't be happy if I discovered that Hades turns out to be the main villain or not your real father or whatever
digital ice
I’m curious if bosses are in the game
devout plinth
Yes
crimson osprey
at least on day zero*
left bramble
Well, we'd all know as much as you I'm guessing right? 39 days to next major update, sound files are in the game files but as .bank because they're game files, and as I said people should avoid major story spoilers ^^
crimson osprey
.bank files can be extracted with the right tools
left bramble
@digital ice Yeah rogue-lites all function around a same pattern of random rooms with different encounters followed by bosses
@crimson osprey I never said the contrary. :3
crimson osprey
I'd still prefer to pay so Darren can eat this month too
left bramble
However all the current songs (I believe) are also on the Supergiant Games youtube channel and getting the files from there is much easier
crimson osprey
the quality of youtube rips is questionable at best tho
snow horizon
I mean, I love SGG, but EA is a practice we can only make go away if we vote with our wallets
left bramble
I mean yeah but that's as close you're gonna get without the official release.
crimson osprey
but is EA that terrible?
tulip wyvern
There's nothing wrong with it when it's done right. What you should be doing is voting sleazy developers who abuse early access out with your wallets.
crimson osprey
I mean, used properly it's a great tool for devs
snow horizon
If this was an official kickstarter, or Patreon, or crowdfunding project by the devs I respect, sure, but not EA
left bramble
@snow horizon I agree with you if you see this as a purchase to enjoy the game. Then it's not for you. I see this as buying into a spot as an FQA tester
crimson osprey
when abused by studios that use their promises as a selling point it becomes problematic
tulip wyvern
How is early access different from crowdfunding + playable alpha?
brisk trail
Feedbacks ^^, EA really implies we get to help devs to improve (am a gamedev with a game in EA )
crimson osprey
neither model promises that the game will ever be finished so IDK
glad prawn
Is Hades windows only, or what platforms do the early access support?
brisk trail
Supergiant cannot afford to not deliver guys ^^ It would be too much of a crush on theur image.
tulip wyvern
I've personally had way more kickstarter games go poof than early access games.
crimson osprey
@brisk trail maybe they were playing the long con and are transferring their funds to an offshore account and buying tickets to the Bahamas as we speak?
snow horizon
I dunno, I feel conflicted about it. On one hand, you are absolutely right - EA done right can work
oak crane
My biggest advice for anyone who is going into this without much knowledge in greek mythology, just don't search up the mythology rn
brisk trail
@crimson osprey ^_^ ( I see the joke but be careful some will read it as argument )
oak crane
Unless you really, really want to
snow horizon
On the other, SGG is known for their stories, and a story-driven game in EA? Eeeeeeh.
crimson osprey
I can't remember who said it but buying into EA is ok as long as you're happy with the product as it is when you buy it
dusky crescent
@oak crane why not?
tulip wyvern
I don't dispute that the list of developers who abuse early access is way longer than the list of developers who do it properly. But then you could say the same thing about crowdfunding.
snow horizon
I can't remember who said it but buying into EA is ok as long as you're happy with the product as it is when you buy it
I can agree with that
tulip wyvern
or DLC even, since we were talking about that earlier.
snow horizon
I bought Slay the Spire in EA because I was perfectly satisfied with how it played in EA
left bramble
In regards to how good the game is right now, it's astonishingly good for EA. Sure you can't progress to far combat wise, but lorewise and with all the character/unlockables they have already, there's a solid 15+ hours of gameplay already which is super polished
oak crane
@dusky crescent because the greek gods are worse than the housewives of (insert place) when it comes to family drama
dusky crescent
ah
left bramble
That would be my current estimate, I played 3 hours and barely scratched the surface of lore content
once you get good at farming the unlocks I'd say about that amont
amount*
oak crane
15+ hours of polished content already? SGG you absolute madmen
crimson osprey
would you say that the game is meant to be replayed infinitely?
slate ivy
I played about an hour earlier and felt like I barely made a dent and that's wonderful for me personally, especially since Hades is in EA
left bramble
Definitely yes, however that's the lacking aspect a bit as of now seeing as there are a set limit of floors you can progress to
crimson osprey
man, I'll have to quit Warframe.
dusky crescent
same
left bramble
So you'll "finish" aka get to the end floor quite rapidly (depending on your skills in games. Same for the 15 hour thing, it's an estimate for me, your mileage may vary)
snow horizon
Honestly Hades merch when?
real narwhal
am i weird for getting a bit of binding of isaac vibes
i mean besides the obvious rogue like part
oak crane
Give me the Zargeus body pillow, SGG!
tulip wyvern
Even though the entire OST is up on the you tubs, I hesitate to listen to it before establishing an emotional connection with the tracks.
digital ice
15+? Soon we’re gonna see an 100 hour long SGG game
snow horizon
Pyre shirt metal-style print, specifically
JenZee pls
real narwhal
hmmmm i can see that
crimson osprey
imagine a 100h long story-driven SGG game
real narwhal
i hope they do consistent updates
snow horizon
Kreygasm
crimson osprey
without padding
real narwhal
because if you play from the very start until full release
oak crane
All my life I have given and now I finally receive, thank you SGG
real narwhal
and u get very small bit by bit it kinda ruins the story experience
crimson osprey
@real narwhal that's why atm I think I'll wait until release
only way I can be sure that I'll actually finish the damn thing when it releases
snow horizon
BTW is r/Hades a thing yet?
crimson osprey
yes, but it doesn't seem to be related to the game at all
shell galleon
Hey, not sure where to go with this, but I don't understand how to start a new run and just stand there overlooking Tartarus?
oak crane
that's to be expected lmao
real narwhal
and i was really surprised to see a new ss game so soon, cuz before this
it always was a 3 year gap
between releases
now its like 1.5
crimson osprey
Pyre came out last year and I'm guessing that Hades will not be released before Q2 2019
north cipher
Well, judging by their FAQ it's still going to be in EA for 1.5 years
oak crane
Good things come for those who wait
crimson osprey
Q2 2020 then?
real narwhal
aaaa man the wait will kill me
and like theres a whole darren korb soundtrack there
north cipher
So it's still around 3 years~ish between the games, but you ~CAN~ (not have to) join it sooner and see if you like where it's going
real narwhal
that i have to wait to listen to
crimson osprey
I would have preferred not knowing
north cipher
I'm definetely grabbing it when I get home.. But damn it, there's a new PoE expansion launching tonight, and I have a DnD session tomorrow, I NEED MORE TIME FOR ALL THE STUFFS
modest spire
hi excuse me i can't hide my thirst for the main character lmao
real narwhal
i wanna see ashen too
left bramble
@north cipher I KNOW I am spending my next week playing PoE but now I'm like "Hadeeeeeeeessss"
real narwhal
and theres Below coming out next week
oak crane
@modest spire oh big mood
crimson osprey
OH CRAP I'M SUPPOSED TO BE PREPPING THE CAMPAING FINALE FOR MY RPG GROUP
bye guys
left bramble
@crimson osprey It's okay you suddenly caught a cold and won't be able to DM because you're "literally in hell" you just don't know it yet
crimson osprey
the gal who was playing the tank got really mad at me over a misunderstanding outside of the game so chances are everyone will indeed die
I'm getting off-topic and I said I was leaving
see ya
enjoy the game, those who have it
wraith jasper
Is there any benefit to leveling up the relationship status with characters beyond their first one yet?
shell galleon
I was enjoying it until I died and now I can't start a second run somehow
Don't know if I'm stupid or something's wrong
oak crane
inb4 you die in the game and die in real life rip
left bramble
aight folks I gotta head out sadly, need to go write a report on social welfare law and get some sleep. Enjoy your first tryouts of Hades everyone, I'll be catching you folks around o/
hollow heron
I'm loving it so far
teal marten
I'm extremely excited about this game, thank you so much Supergiant Team!
graceful storm
What’s everyone’s favorite weapon?
hollow heron
I was watching live, saw the trailer, was exclaiming out loud, opened the link when it ended, saw I could buy it NOW and yelled incredibly loudly
brisk trail
Skeptical about EA, but I think I've always been skeptical about Supergiant Games because they always push the envelope and try something new, and change is scary xD
But they've never been wrong before, and I've loved all 3 of their games.
Glad they switch to Epic Games Launcher as well so they can get a bigger share of the sales, (exactly what they deserve).
ocean notch
ITs doneee finallyy
north cipher
I'm actually glad they are doing Early Access- if Dark Cell is any indicator, rogue-likes might have to go through plently of iterations before ending up feeling REALLY good
uneven hemlock
Transistor/Bastion inspired combat system? GREEK MYTHOLOGY!!?? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
brisk trail
I'm just a bit torn on how it would affect the story.
No doubt the midway point conclusion (or whenever the story decides to halt) will be fulfilling enough for players to wait for SuperGiant to finish the story.
Still though,
Supergiant are story tellers first and foremost, so idk :S
late elm
I see Switch Pro support - I’m in!
north cipher
It can be also done in Pyre~esque way: in sort of "cycles"/acts, which still contain character development and affect the ending, but are self-contained as well.
brisk trail
^ oo true.
I do like that notion.
north cipher
I can't stop replaying the trailer, it's just.. HNNNG
limpid vault
Has anyone finish the first boss
uneven hemlock
I'm actually afraid to buy the game because I know that, if I like the story, I'll act like a drug addict until the full game comes out
north cipher
The music, the art, everything!
late elm
To be fair, I’ll be playing this early build to “break” the game, less to see the ending
brisk trail
I'm sure you can wait for the full release :P
Heck, this game came out sooner than I expected anyway.
brisk trail
@brisk trail Epic Games takes less money that Steam does, by buying this game on Epic, technically you're supporting SiperGiant even more than steam
uneven hemlock
aw, epic games is cool, probably one of the few big companies with not so questionable morales
north cipher
I think it will be on Steam with full release
brisk trail
Doubt it
north cipher
At least they mention that "on several platforms" release
brisk trail
It's a money thing.
alpine ore
@brisk trail check #hades-faq
north cipher
"If you’d prefer to wait until the game is 100% complete, we expect Hades will eventually be available on a variety of platforms, once Early Access is complete."
brisk trail
Steam takes 25% of the sales -
Epic Games takes 12%
Platforms - aka nintendo switch, etc.
Still doubt it will be on steam
snow horizon
I'm fairly confident it will be when the game is out of EA
north cipher
They will still introduce some options outside of Epic Games, unless they have a special deal with Epic.
Do other options provide less $ per copy? Most likely. But considering that those copied might never be sold if "stuck" to Epic's launcher- I don't see why NOT to introduce other options
brisk trail
If sales died down - I could see it being put on steam.
Immediately after EA is finished? Eh... My money says no.
strange bough
Get that sick 12.5% profit bread or give up the largest marketplace for games?
snow horizon
^
swift osprey
They undoubtedly have a deal with Epic, it is a giant boon to their store to be the only ones to have Hades right now
it's DRM-free though
uneven hemlock
I don't mind using Epic Games cause I use it for Unreal Engine already 🤷
tribal dew
is it? that's great
brisk trail
whats DRM
strange bough
I feel old
north cipher
Well, you still need to have some kind of platform to get updates.
But ye, DRM-free
brisk trail
DRM - not tied to a launcher or authentication device. (I think)
wary roost
Download Rights Management? Can I acronym?
swift osprey
drm = digital rights management, drm-free = it does not check if the epic store is running when you start the game
wary roost
I got the D wrong
brisk trail
ohhhhh
swift osprey
says so on the Supergiant website, left out on the epic store
but indeed, you'll still need the epic store for updates
and they could even decide to change it later, but at least the current version is
I don't expect them to though
all their other games are available DRM-free, I think
brisk trail
how long do you guys think it'll take before Hades is released?
oak crane
2 years at most
north cipher
@brisk trail they say around 1.5 years
spring cipher
Considering its early access prolly not for a bit
spring cipher
spring cipher
Im trying to play hades
brisk trail
That does seem pretty long
shell galleon
So
spring cipher
but its not working
brisk trail
Hades seems like a great mix of Transistor and Bastion gameplay wise
@brisk trail Combined the artwork too
wait
nvm
spring cipher
Oh yeah loving their take on the rogue like
shell galleon
Uh, can someone please help me?
spring cipher
SG art is amazing as always
brisk trail
the art def looks like bastion and pyre and so does the music, and the gameplay is like transistor and bastion
north cipher
I wish there was a chance of collaboration with Mick Gordon just for 1 track for Hades
oak crane
definitely bastion and pyre art style wise
north cipher
A man can dream, right?
calm badge
I will be honest, I was put off by the game being on the Epic Store (because I don't want another launcher) but if it's DRM free . . . that makes it much more likely that I'll grab it in EA
spring cipher
I was wondering if there is anyone else having the issues where the game isnt launching
brisk trail
me too
oak crane
Are you launching with admin rights?
swift osprey
@spring cipher I'd try #h1-tech-support
ocean notch
hey anyone know how to start the second run?
brisk trail
I'd love to see them revisit Transistor's artsyle. That kind of more realistic - ambient shading.
spring cipher
Im not sure how to launch with admin rights
I cant find the .exe
to launch the game
brisk trail
Yep defs
north cipher
I'm one of the odd ones who loved Pyre the most out of Supergiant games
hollow heron
That isn't that odd is it?
brisk trail
Transitor > Pyre > Bastion for me 😛
oak crane
Should be in Program Files (x86) > Epic Games > Hades ??
spring cipher
Yeah I found it
brisk trail
I just loved the music too much in transistor
spring cipher
Imma try to sort it out
oak crane
Is Ashley Barrett featured in Hades' OST?
Because that woman's voice is siren-like tbh
brisk trail
she better be in the OST
brisk trail
The Liberation Rite in Pyre was amazing though.
north cipher
For me the characters in Pyre were just so.. Relatable, I guess? And I struggled with EVERY DAMN DECISION
oak crane
@spring cipher definitely search in #h1-tech-support then, or maybe reinstall?
spring cipher
This is my second reinstall
oak crane
Oh oof
spring cipher
But Imma scroll up in support
north cipher
And I so, so loved that so many tracks were dynamic, depending on who you were put against
spring cipher
See what can be done
brisk trail
Was a great touch.
shell galleon
Anyone else has trouble starting a new run? I've been looking over Tartarus for a good part of an hour already pressing every button on the keyboard and on the gamepad, and nothing, I feel like an idiot
oak crane
"The Spine" and "Paper Boats" from Transistor were incredible
bleak lance
All I can say is Bastion got me hooked, Transistor still makes me cry, and Pyre is a great story experience.
brisk trail
I had Fei as the last Liberation Rite and cried when she said she wanted me to go instead ;_;
north cipher
@brisk trail YES! Their shredding theme, blended with usually serene theme..
oak crane
Paper Boats is my alarm song so every time I wake up to it I get emotional LMAO
hollow heron
@shell galleon go to the purple window in the weap0ons room, and hit interact
brisk trail
I get emotional anyway because I have to wake up
shell galleon
Dear god
bleak lance
I couldn't do that to the soundtracks.
shell galleon
Now I DEFINITELY feel like an idiot
oak crane
I thought I'd get sick of it but it's been like 2-3 years and I still love it
bleak lance
I do have one of the Transistor menu scroll sounds as my notification messages
oak crane
Ashley Barrett singing a song as Persephone though?? 👀
north cipher
I can't wait to see how Supergiant will play with Greek mythos. It's the first time they are working with someting that's not theirs from scratch
snow horizon
Ashley Barrett singing a song as Persephone though??
Heckin' @ Darren
fast chasm
Theres about 14 songs from Hades on the Supergiant youtube page - go have a look!
devout plinth
Dusa is just the best who knew gorgons could be cute
brisk trail
I just got so excited to see supergiant had any kind of new game out. Insta buy
bleak lance
I am so torn.
hollow heron
Dusa is great
bleak lance
Early Access and play the new Supergiant Games goodness now or patience 'till full game.
brisk trail
Be good to know if it's one of those EA's where the price will rise a bit when it launches, but I've already bought it so, eh.
bleak lance
So far one thing's missing only; and that's the soundtrack purchase.
real narwhal
Will they add more ost as the game goes on?
i really want some ashley and darren singing
snow horizon
Hopefully
oak crane
It'll likely be the end credits song where they both sing
real narwhal
and i always love how they are always included as characters inside of the game world
its like a fun easter egg trying to find them everytime
marble sphinx
i assume any vocal tracks will have some plot relevance like they usually do in supergiant games
so it'd be spoilerish to release them without the gameplay
real narwhal
Yeh, am glad its like that tbh
i wonder if it has anything greek to begin with
or is it just like a stylistic choice
void vigil
i dont have the game so can someone who does tell me if theres an option for subtitles?
onyx nacelle
I haven't bought it yet but does it run on osx
uneven hemlock
Yes, there is @void vigil
void vigil
you guys its literally about the underworld and hades' son how can it not be greek
velvet ravine
@void vigil yes. english only though
real narwhal
i havent seen anything about the story of the game, or really anything
they say zeus
ember ravine
Hades is also our first game adapted from an existing mythology -- the world of Greek myth. We felt we had a unique perspective on this theme, and saw the adaptation process as a new and exciting creative opportunity to explore. Our take on Greek mythology assumes no prior knowledge of the subject. Yet, those familiar with Greek myth should find our take on it to be true to the spirit of the source material, from Homer to Hesiod. Greek myth comes from stories of ancient gods and heroes filtered through new points of view; we’re excited to share ours.
from the FAQ
young slate
hades
real narwhal
they wouldnt say zeus if it was roman
young slate
is a greek word
ember ravine
it is greek mythology
young slate
they are the same
marble sphinx
roman is jupiter....
young slate
the same mythology, it's the same the romans and greeks had the same gods just with different names
marble sphinx
it literally is lol
i mean obviously with some artistic license
like zagreus afaik never left hades to find persephone or whatever
real narwhal
i wonder if there will be any kind of culture to greece, other than the obvious theme o greek gods
ember ravine
it's not THE greek mythology wh-
what does that even mean
real narwhal
i guess it just means like, its greek mythology but interpetted in a different way
marble sphinx
anyway there are secret rooms where you descend into Chaos, so maybe erebus or the titans or whatever will show up at some point
marble sphinx
i mean it's not bulfinch's mythology obviously
real narwhal
am excited
still havent played
i dont think i can wait until full release
am weak
hollow heron
imo roguelites are much more about the gameplay, so its not a huge cost to play it now
gritty plume
Is the game really gonna be in early access for 1.5 years?
hollow heron
thats usual for EA
shadow temple
Hello, so i can only play on PC right? Can’t early access on Ps4? Thank you in advance
lean birch
I wish the epic store worked proper so I could buy the game now
real narwhal
supergiant usually seems to take 3 years to full make agame, but you never know
epic store still has a lot of room for impovement, i am glad they are giving a bigger cut to devs tho
hearty ember
ok came to know 1 single thing, will the came release on Steam and/or GOG?
brisk trail
Is this gonna be another switch double dip for me? 😛
snow horizon
Settle in for a long ride, Steam users
subtle notch
HELL o
fluid pivot
Hey guys is this game coming out on steam?
real narwhal
It is, but after its fully released
fluid pivot
ALright thanks I will wait then
shadow temple
@olive jungle thank you
subtle notch
Ven I love your nickname
midnight gazelle
And i have to wait till i'm home on monday to play it 
are ppl allowed to stream the gameplay?
winter cobalt
Yeah they are :^)
hollow heron
All the "mates" in zag's dialogue make me think he's Aussie
olive jungle
Thanks niki 😂
stark bramble
He does seem to have a slight Australian accent/inflection
hollow heron
nah its pretty clear
I keep expecting him to go "she'll be right, mate"
tbf though, I'm Aussie, so I the language used feels more clearly Australian.
Gotta stop playing for the night, the spear is nuts
And so is the shied
Spear just stunlocks things and does insane damage
Shield is never die
ember creek
Hello, I am a huge SGG fan and wanted to know whether it is planned to eventually release Hades on Steam? You mentioned "other platforms" without going into specifics.
olive jungle
Yep, no news yet
hollow heron
The bow needs a buff
ember creek
Oh just saw there is #ask-supergiant
olive jungle
That channel's only open for AMAs
ember creek
Ye just saw
hollow heron
Even an upgraded special for the bow is worse damage than just mashing lmb for shield/spear I swear
ember creek
Well I understand why they are doing it - beyond the stated reasons. Just I don't plan on having basically one storefront for every game.
hollow heron
Tbh I think spear/shield are just miles ahead of the other two
A spear spin does more damage than a sword combo
4
Although with how bad the bow is, there may as well be 3 tbh :(
uncut dust
and it seems there is place for another 2 more, right?
ember creek
(in case you are not aware - epic takes a smaller share of your money than Valve does, so it obviously is more interesting - especially for smaller dev teams - to release on epic rather than steam)
uncut dust
Epic Store all the way. Steam must short their problems with curation and moderation before trying to compete
hollow heron
I feel like the spear shouldn't have the dps it does while having insane aoe, good safety, range, and the mini-stun
ember creek
The main issue with switching to epic is that most people already have a large library on steam.
uncut dust
Exactly, use both
ember creek
Which I don't have.
uncut dust
I have literaly instaled every store i can, just in case someday they give something free there (hello watch dogs on UPlay)
ember creek
Indeed
uncut dust
But going back to the main topic: I love Hades
ember creek
I'm a sucker for roguelikes so I probably would, too
dusky crescent
its really juicy
still nova
hey guys I can't install the game after buying it anyone else got that issue?
ember creek
If it doesn't come to Steam I will probably get it on switch.
dusky crescent
@still nova try turning launcher off and back on. had the same issue
ember creek
Assuming it will release there, but I think that's a pretty safe bet.
olive jungle
@still nova Epic Games has been having issues all night. Try restarting the desktop client
gkjdhg what savi said
dusky crescent
)))
still nova
@dusky crescent did that but didn't help unfortunatly :/
dusky crescent
oh 🤔
ember creek
I don't mind playing an early access game on epic.
I do mind an early access storefront
🙃
ember creek
Where can I get the roles?
hollow heron
It's real good, hey alma, it's been a heck of a while since I last saw you 
ember creek
BTW?
void vigil
I wanna buy it already but im gonna wait until the launcher is having less problems
tired sapphire
is there any interesting gameplay twist? from what I see so far it's like typical roguelike with supergiant quality
brisk trail
@ember creek ?rank [role] in #bot-commands !
dusky crescent
probably a good idea
ember creek
Nvm found
stark bramble
Is coop a planned feature?
hollow heron
Yeah
tired sapphire
im feeling a bit burned out playing roguelike so im not sure
olive jungle
@stark bramble No, not right now
ember creek
I just read they don't plan to bring pyre to the switch which is of the three they made the one I want the most on the switch... 😭😭😭
hollow heron
I saw the reveal live on stream, swore loudly out loud, went to the website, saw it was available, and the neighbours must have heard how loudly I yelled about it lmao
void vigil
I woke up and checked my phone and saw a new game and thought I was dreaming
hollow heron
The gameplay feels great
I was watching game awards live
In voice with some friends
I left the voice when it came on
dusky crescent
i woke up, saw the email and was a changed person instantly
hollow heron
And then rejoined afterwards and exclaimed super loudly
gleaming timber
I want it nowwwwwwww...
But I'm saving moneeeeeey.....
Aaaaaaaaaaa
olive jungle
i was between classes and i was watching the awards like "man i only have 10 minutes left i hope something cool happens before i have to leave for the rest of the game awards" and lo and behold
gleaming timber
Hope you guys enjoy it :D
real narwhal
my reaction was like amazement and also kinda like "noo waiit noooo no way
hollow heron
I watched the whole thing, the only good parts were Hades and the smash ads tbh
real narwhal
"it cant be that soon, this is some bs"
i semi agree
i liked the new obsidian game
oh and that new ehm
game from abzu team
olive jungle
i should turn on a screen capture and go back in and play some more, i had a couple bugs i wanna replicate...
but that'll probably make my framerate worse >>
real narwhal
is the framerate bad?
olive jungle
it was stuttering a lot in the throne room and entry hall
other people had been talking about having issues - probably optimization
hollow heron
I put graphics down a bunch, but I expect that. It's actually going better than I expected tbh
dusky crescent
the only time im the one not having any framerate issues
subtle notch
Hi, is anyone else experiencing problems with buying the game?
scenic wadi
I had some earlier, seemed to fix after some time
^ I think to many people trying to buy stuff at once
subtle notch
I'm just getting this message
https://i.imgur.com/H83uqv3.png
olive jungle
Yeah, some folks were getting that earlier
subtle notch
So should I just try again later?
olive jungle
Yeah, probably
subtle notch
Alright, thanks 🙇
elfin basalt
I got that while trying to pay by Credit Card, but Paypal worked great.
I have a feeling that CC wasn't really aware that I was not in the US.
subtle notch
Too bad PayPal hates me and my bank because I cannot put money on there so I'm only able to pay with card 🙃
oak crane
They need a cash option with SGG's headquarters address
subtle notch
We are all blessed by Hades
zenith folio
You made my day
I wasn't expecting at all :'DDDD
I want to get early access but I won't have much time to play ;__;
So I'll probably wait
jagged beacon
I just got the spear but yeah sounds like the bow is overpowered
jagged beacon
Yeah
jagged beacon
also with the knockback with poseidon added it is really op
olive jungle
yeah now that i like
lapis root
your attack cancels your enemy attack animation
so basically charge at enemies, press q and get back
before they can damage you
real narwhal
my biggest gripe with the game is its named hades, and everytime i am having a hard time googling it
primal peak
Why did the game request access to the command prompt when I tried to launch it?
olive jungle
I was curious about that too 🤔
winter gale
so is it just me or is the shield miles better than the other weapons?
lapis root
for me it's sword is much worse than other weapons
dusky crescent
spamming q with the bow feels good idk
winter gale
I think bow and sword are much worse than the others tbh
fleet sage
after a good three hours of playing, ive found that evry weapon has its own strengths and weaknesses
but yes tbh the spear and the shield are easily the best out of all of them
winter gale
I think shield has a lot more of synergy than the other weapons
with all different boons
alpine stratus
please.....PLEASE stop cursing guys
fleet sage
?
zenith folio
You can't change weapons? You pick one at the beginning and need to play with it until the end?
fleet sage
i mean swap between weapons mid gameplay, ala dmc or something of the like
zenith folio
Ohh oke
fleet sage
obvsly, carrying all of them at once would be too op and borderline unmanageable, but maybe the option to pick just two weapons to switch between on the fly
that way, it makes unlucky runs a bit more doable
like trying to get the twins when youre stuck with only the shield
near kelp
Attention all epic gamers, Lucky Red Seven needs your help to play the latest Supergiant Games game, Hades. All you need to do is gift him the game in the Epic Games Store
But you gotta be quick, otherwise he's gonna miss all of that sweet Darren Korb soundtrack and Loghan's narration
covert tendon
snow horizon
There wasn't one earlier today
wind rover
so i just saw the anouncement
wind rover
both
dusk spade
Hello everyone
wind rover
hyped to hell
literally
zenith folio
Welcome to the hype train
dusk spade
What are you thinking about Epic Games shop?
wind rover
i've half a mind to get the early access
zenith folio
Same
clear valve
they r investing hard
wind rover
wait, is it available ONLY on epic games shop?
snow horizon
They're giving away Subnautica on there, btw
Check #off-topic-discussion
clear valve
@wind rover yes 😦
zenith folio
But I'm already buying God Eater so I can't have both
dusk spade
I believe in SG so early access doesn't scare me
clear valve
but after early acess will be available at steam
wind rover
i must quench my hype
dusk spade
@clear valve is this 100% information?
wind rover
neat, we have roles now
or maybe we did but i just never noticed
anyhow
is there an eta on the drop?
wait nvm, lemme read the entirety of the faq first
clear valve
its available
visual nacelle
Hi
Hello everyone, i got a question on Hades
If i buy it in Early Access on the Epic Game platform, do i need to rebuy it on steam after the final release ?
visual nacelle
Yeah, no that's not my question, let me re-explain 😂
tepid wedge
sorry I understood you well, just tried to joke
wind rover
i meant the drop on the full release
which is, if i've read the faq correctly, next year-ish?
visual nacelle
Oh ok xD
snow horizon
May you kindly direct all incoming questions to #hades-faq first please
hexed smelt
it’s a read-only channel, if you’re telling people to ask in there
vapid bolt
Can I just say that this game is great? 
Love it!
visual nacelle
My english is terrible, maybe i m not clear enough
visual nacelle
If i buy it on EpicGames, will i have a steam key after final release ?
To play it, on steam
dusk spade
I think no
snow horizon
Would I have to buy the full game after Early Access?
No. Hades is a premium game that’s yours to play as much as you want once you buy it, whenever you buy it. Earlier adopters will receive the many free major updates we expect to release as we continue building the game in Early Access.
dusk spade
@snow horizon It's not an answer
hexed smelt
based on current info, if you wanted it on steam you’d need to rebuy
wind rover
damn
visual nacelle
I see
dusk spade
:c
marble sphinx
you will not have a steam key but you will have access to the full game through epic without DRM is my current understanding
olive jungle
yes
hexed smelt
yep
marble sphinx
re: the bow, it's op if you get the auto charge and ares perks
snow horizon
Ah damn
It's my b, dawg
I completely looked over the cross-platform angle of your question
marble sphinx
or the sniper and ares perks
visual nacelle
Yeah yeah, but its for the collection on Steam even if its useless
haha
Anyway, you answer my question. Thanks you guys
snow horizon
In my mind Steam was the default release platform
dusk spade
And Badges
wind rover
trading cards*
clear valve
@visual nacelle i would love to, but this is unlikely
marble sphinx
ares perk on the normall attack, poseidon perk on the special would make the bow unbeatable imo
dusk spade
Anyway, I think I would but Hades twice
vapid bolt
bow is a bit harder than the sword with a bunch of skeleton head spawner piles thingies tho
dusk spade
If it's goodm of course
marble sphinx
i don't like the sword
dusk spade
I bought Transistor for 3-4 times
wind rover
god damn
marble sphinx
the only thing that makes the sword worth using is the weapon upgrade that gives you the dash crit attack
mental pendant
(sorry if this question has been asked before) but on the store it says that the product is currently unavailable in my region? is the early access only available in the US?
clear valve
@dusk spade why
vapid bolt
idk, i like how sword pushes enemies around into traps
i guess it's for a different playstyle
wind rover
i love supergiant n all that, but is still need money for meself yo
i suppose i'll wait for the steam full release
vapid bolt
kinda feels like Wizard of Legend with that sword for some reason
wind rover
@mental pendant sorry, wouldnt know about that
vapid bolt
(which is a good thing!)
marble sphinx
Yeah, just needs to be a bit faster imo
clear valve
@mental pendant i have to check if i can buy too, idk how is de payment methods of epic games
polar steeple
Sup people
marble sphinx
Also sword has the worst special
wind rover
yo
vapid bolt
Pyre was mixed
wind rover
people are more familiar with bastion and transistor
dusk spade
@clear valve I really love this game. But i bought this for 1-2 dollars. So, I decided to buy a few copies to my friends. With sales, ofcourse
marble sphinx
Was it?
vapid bolt
yup
clear valve
bastion adn transistor >> pyre
marble sphinx
Huh
vapid bolt
a lot of people didn't get it
polar steeple
Can someone spoil me the end of the game in private? I want to know if the game had a bad / sad / bittersweet end.
wind rover
pyre went under the radar, as good as it was
polar steeple
Dont need to tell the final itself, just if it's sad or not.
vapid bolt
the gameplay didn't look appealing, or people just didn't understand how it acutally played
hexed smelt
@polar steeple it’s still in progress
vapid bolt
Bastion and Transistor are easier to understand just from the trailer
one is an arpg, and another is an arpg with the tactical pause
super simple
obsidian cloud
I mean pyre was more a visual novel than a sports game for an audience that generally wouldn't like either
wind rover
well, we all have our preferences, and the masses know supergiant more from those 2 games, so that's that
real narwhal
pyre is my favorite supergiant game
vapid bolt
(my heart belongs to Transistor anyways)
fiery pebble
How is the game so far?
vapid bolt
Love it!
clear valve
i love supergiant and roguelike, what else could i ask for
real narwhal
do you guys think
wind rover
more supergiant?
clear valve
which roguelike game is close to hades?
vapid bolt
I love how well the Supergiant's attention to detail works with roguelite game (since it's not a pure roguelike)
real narwhal
they will kinda keep updating it after full releas
dusk spade
@clear valve I think, Hyper light drifter
real narwhal
like binding of isaac and all that stuff
vapid bolt
All those comments and stuff
dusk spade
Or Furi
real narwhal
usually rogelikes get a bunch of updates
clear valve
@dusk spade but hyper is not a roguelike
vapid bolt
wind rover
@brisk trail well, they did mention that in the FaQ
vapid bolt
I think it's more of a transistor without the pause
at least that's how it felt for me
lapis root
it's actually better than transistor without pause
real narwhal
its impressive
clear valve
i love hades design
real narwhal
usually we dont have many voices in ssg
its like 2-3
unless they count those grunts
vapid bolt
and for early access having that much stuff already is great
real narwhal
like in pyre
vapid bolt
didn't expect that honestly
dusk spade
Actually, guys. We talked about gameplay, design etc. What are you think about OST?
lapis root
game doesn't even look like early access
dusk spade
I'm so hyped about it
vapid bolt
hope all goes well and we'll have another Dead Cells level success story
dusk spade
I want a lot of vocals songs
wind rover
all supergiant OST is great
clear valve
the ost is available at youtube but i will wait to hear them in the game
real narwhal
i really want darren korb to sing in the game and me me cry for the fourth time
lapis root
can you post best songs from this game?
real narwhal
make me*
clear valve
my favorite ost is transistor ost
real narwhal
my favorite is pyre
vapid bolt
It's great, but I like Transistor's soundtrack more
lapis root
transistor ost was magnificent, right
real narwhal
tho i think transistors ost is technically the best one, i just prefer pyre
vapid bolt
it has a special place for me, due to some life stuff I was going through then
also, I still have Transistor as my theme on PS4, I think it's one of the best looking one, and that theme music!
real narwhal
i always love in supergiant games trying to find who darren is in the game
like in pyre i was like "come on silent white hooded gai
u have to be darren"
and then he like takes his watever acoustic at some point
lapis root
best part of transistor ost is hummed versions
real narwhal
and am like "yeeee das deh one"
lapis root
miss them a lot
vapid bolt
lapis root
Sandbox especially
vapid bolt
since you're not distracted by the lyrics
dusk spade
Jeez, her voice is amazing
real narwhal
we need more ashley
lapis root
Any songs in Hades with Ashley vocal?
real narwhal
there has t be at least one in the future
lapis root
Transistor songs remind me of Hooverphonic with orchestra (2012) concert
dusk spade
Also, "In the flame" is incredibly good
vapid bolt
Anyways, so glad Supergiant is making another game. Was lucky enough to buy some merch from their store at PAX West, but was a bit concerned about the state of the studio considering they were showing only the old stuff
dusk spade
One of the best songs
vapid bolt
nice to see everything is fine
real narwhal
they are my fav indie studio , i remember playing bastion when i was like 12
lapis root
still have Red figurine
wind rover
Merch!
dusk spade
0_0
wind rover
damnable merch, oh how i wish we had a trustworthy shipping line here, that's not ungodly expensive
vapid bolt
welp, i had to cross the atlantic to get the merch, since I was flying to PAX from Europe 😛
clear valve
send some photos
vapid bolt
We can't post images here
vapid bolt
anyways, it's the same stuff that is on their store, nothing special
vapid bolt
it was just nice to see the booth, and people playing the game, and chat with the guys
anyways, gtg. can't wait to play some more later tonight
warm dirge
I don't have time to be super duper hyped for a game!!!!!
clever sequoia
I forgot I was in the server but after last night i am super excited 
but I dont have a pc to play early access on so im really sad :(
coral thistle
big mood
tepid wedge
Nyx is cool tho
solemn nest
Is the last god it shows in the trailer Nyx?
hexed smelt
i died. and then i died again. and then i tried to die a third time but i missed. and then i missed again. this went on for several hours.
brazen lake
and then i was out of arrows. and then i was sad. and then i had a popsicle
and then i passed out in a literal pool of blood
brisk trail
Eyoh ! I slept something like 5 hours, let's go again !
tepid wedge
Just have to try again story of my life 😄
clever sequoia
So theres no specific time for consoles huh? Feelsbad.
But its so nice to hear yall are having fun and I was so shocked to see it at the awards, let alone available partly now
clever sequoia
A laptop, but I have high doubts it will run anything. Its not meant for that 
ocean notch
The shield is my favourite
clear valve
Hades requires a PC running at least Windows 7 SP1, with a Dual Core 3.0ghz, 4 GB RAM, 1GB VRAM with OpenGL 2.1+ support, and 10 GB available disk space.
easy to run
olive jungle
ok now here's something interesting
I was experiencing what seemed like lag/jerky camera movements when in the throne room
so i broke out fraps to record it and not only am i getting 46 fps in there but, even though it was DEFINITELY jerky while playing, it's totally smooth in the video
clear valve
Oo
olive jungle
that's not a fraps thing is it 🤔
uneven lotus
guys can you check my question at #off-topic-discussion
real narwhal
Thats really weird
clear valve
weird
olive jungle
@uneven lotus Epic Games is having trouble right now and have been all evening, please use their FAQ, it's pinned in this channel
Not this channel
sorry
real narwhal
Valve had Half life 1 when they launched to promote their service
olive jungle
here
real narwhal
Epic has Hades
uneven lotus
Thanks @olive jungle
mortal marten
Anyone know if there are plans to launch Hades on the Switch?
ocean notch
its only in early release atm.
olive jungle
@mortal marten There have been no announcements about future platforms and speculating is kind of pointless right now. Any platform ports will be announced after early access has ended.
real narwhal
i dont think theres anything official about it, tho am very confident it will happen at some point, tho it will be a good while
brisk trail
At this point. I am not sure Darren Korb is human anymore.
clear valve
every superg game is on switch right?
real narwhal
pyre isnt i think
clear valve
oh
mortal marten
What they said.
olive jungle
It takes a lot of effort to port a game and Supergiant is a small team currently putting their all into developing a new story and world
mortal marten
I was reading the FAQ and they said they wanted to combine all the aspects of older games into this one. What'd they take from PYre?
peak berry
Art style I would say
brisk trail
@real narwhal In house
mortal marten
The art style has been kind of consistent with all the games though.
real narwhal
huh never heard of it
peak berry
Well it's more pyre as far as looks imo
brisk trail
@real narwhal With in house i ment there own engine
graceful storm
Does anyone know what their engine is written in?
real narwhal
ok am stupid nvm
peak berry
Closet that is just the way the characters look and environment foreground etc
brisk trail
@graceful storm there own engine
peak berry
It's a lot of fun though
olive jungle
@graceful storm Not sure but all the scripting is in Lua, at least for Pyre
hexed smelt
i’d say the influence from pyre is art style and the size of the interactive cast
proud flax
why, lua is popular for scripting
peak berry
Can you beat the game? Like I know it's early access but how much of the game is done?
proud flax
lua + c#
olive jungle
@peak berry There is a hard endpoint to current content
peak berry
Keep unlocking stuff etc
clear valve
i hope it evolves like isaac did
olive jungle
@peak berry you can of course keep playing randomly generated dungeons but you can only proceed so far
peak berry
@olive jungle ok haven't gotten there yet
mortal marten
But the end point isn't the final ending the game will have on release currently right?
brisk trail
you can get all the upgrades i guess
hexed smelt
bastion had very few characters; transistor had more, but the only ones you interacted with were boxer and the camerata- pyre gave us a much, much larger cast than before
olive jungle
No
graceful storm
I made it out of the first zone
clear valve
this game is hard?
brisk trail
depends what weapon u use
peak berry
I like how each character is voiced that caught me off guard
brisk trail
playing with the bow is hard
graceful storm
What weapon are people considering the best?
olive jungle
@clear valve I didn't mean difficulty wise, I meant there's a cutoff past which you can't proceed
subtle notch
(Ven you are doing so much for everyone and I'm super impressed and proud of you)
real narwhal
i do really hope it kinda becomes an isaac situation, but i also wanna see new stuff
tepid yacht
yeah i tried the bow last night and was like "sword it is" haha
peak berry
@brisk trail yea bow is hardest imo
clear valve
oh
brisk trail
yeah
olive jungle
@real narwhal There are a number of updates, major and minor, planned, and the final product will likely be much larger and more polished than what we have now. SGG has said they're going for infinite replayability.
brisk trail
without downsides
graceful storm
IMO weapon tier list
Spear - Sheild - Sword - Bow
tepid yacht
next update's in a bit over a month from what the home screen for the game says?
olive jungle
Yes
peak berry
There's more weapon slots look forward to seeing what else they add
brisk trail
that
clear valve
monthly updates i hope
graceful storm
I want a hammer and an axe
hexed smelt
art takes time
hexed smelt
like, a lot of time
peak berry
Early Access but still looks super nice and polished
tepid yacht
god all the characters are so hot
i said that last night but i'll say it again lol
brisk trail
this is the most polished early acces game ive seen in ages
peak berry
Can't imagine what it'll look like at launch
tepid yacht
mhm i agree @brisk trail
brisk trail
@tepid yacht yes
clear valve
what about dead cells @brisk trail
brisk trail
deadcells is nice as well
hexed smelt
jen zee is involved, only a fool would not expect hotties
mortal marten
Thanks for answering my questions Ven. At first I was going to wait for Switch version, but honestly, Supergiant has never steared me wrong and I don't mind supporting them. It's not like I haven't purchased multiple copies of their games before anyways.
tepid yacht
@hexed smelt true
olive jungle
no problem!
tepid yacht
her art just keeps getting better and better with each game
peak berry
I bought each game at launch never was disappointed
inland spear
Hey guys! I don't know if it's the correct channel to ask about that sorta thing, but i've been wondering what does DRM-free mean in the context of this game? Is it similar deal to how GOG handles their games, with just ability to get the game installer downloaded to your PC and sorta just, have it?
brisk trail
but deadcells is inferior to this game already in my opinion
peak berry
Even pyre, still need to beat but game looks so pretty
clear valve
@inland spear same as gog
tepid yacht
basically no anti-piracy stuff attached to the game
olive jungle
@inland spear Yes
inland spear
okay, thanks!!
real narwhal
i really respect sgg for doing drm free
peak berry
I want to see a secret Easter egg for pyre since both are basically versions of hell
tepid yacht
there are actually steam games that are drm-free too, but it's common for games to have drm on them
clear valve
its a sgg thing or epicgames?
brisk trail
also i want easter eggs of the other games in this game
olive jungle
SGG's games are all DRM-free as far as I know
at least, they seem to be
mortal marten
They are.
brisk trail
also the game still fits in the theory that all sgg games are in the same universe
as it starts with either pyre or hades then goes to bastion then transistor
mortal marten
Kind of pointless to put DRM on anyways. I forget what game it was that just launched recently, but it had Denuvo and it apparently took pirates less than a day to crack.
mortal marten
Yeah, that's the one
real narwhal
and its bad pr too
brisk trail
yup
mortal marten
Yeah, I imagine licensing for denuvo is not cheap
muted bear
If I buy this from the Epic store, and it eventually launches on Steam, will I have to buy it again to play it there?
brisk trail
depending on the contract
mortal marten
I'm honestly surprised the makers of denuvo can convince developers to sign on... With the reputation it has and not to mention how quickly they get cracked.
olive jungle
@muted bear yes
real narwhal
i believe yes, wouldnt make sense for epic to support that against their competetion
mortal marten
@crude falcon yes you will
muted bear
Thank you.
mortal marten
it's in the pinned messages
muted bear
Must have missed it, thanks.
real narwhal
one thing i do like about epic store tho
mortal marten
np
real narwhal
is that the devs get a bigger portion of the income
mortal marten
never had epic store until now
olive jungle
it does!
olive jungle
they're gonna have super meat boy free in a couple weeks
real narwhal
ohhhh
i never played super meat boy
is it like, free forever if u get it in that limited time?
or is it just availabe in that window
tepid yacht
epic games launcher looks super promising. probably gonna be a strong competitor for steam soon enough with that 12-88 rev share.
real narwhal
ok, welp, still cool
clear valve
i was hoping for a launch date for supermeatboy forever
brisk trail
Not sure it can compete but it’s certainly not bad
mortal marten
honestly, i like the ui design quite a bit
brisk trail
one thing i dislike is the cpu usage
real narwhal
maybe it will be able to compete in time
brisk trail
Yeah it’s simple and nice enough
real narwhal
oh man not my cpu
olive jungle
if we're gonna discuss epic launcher in depth please move to #off-topic-discussion !
real narwhal
ops
clear valve
guys, can i open the game without epic launcher?
olive jungle
@clear valve yes
clear valve
nice
tepid yacht
yeah obviously not yet since it's so new, but i think it's especially gonna be popular with indies. that rev share might also bring in some aaa content with time, too.
brisk trail
Oooh that’s nice
tepid yacht
i know steam's trying to make it cheaper for aaa studios to publish on their platform, so this plan will definitely work in epic's favor i think
also that's all i had to say. sorry i got off topic haha
i'm so excited to play more when i get home from work though
real narwhal
i am still debating to buy it or not
tepid yacht
i bought it the second it was announced for sale
hexed smelt
i need to get home and download it
brisk trail
Same lol
tepid yacht
never made a purchase so fast
brisk trail
@tepid yacht same
when i got it installed i played it instantlly for 3 hours straight
covert glen
man its tough to not spoil yourself when you have an entire soundtrack and ppl giving feedback
real narwhal
ikr
covert glen
I already think the MC's name is Zagreus - but that's just common sense
Cuz mythology
covert glen
yh
winged geode
stupid & maybe already answered question. Is it co-published by epic?
brisk trail
also the soundtrack is save to listen to as it does not have spoiler of any kind
@winged geode as far as i know of its not
covert glen
well the ost is a spoiler in itself tho
cuz i dont want to
already know the soundtrack
i wanna be IN THE GAME and listen to it
real narwhal
being a greek gai, i wonder if theres any reference that will be like "oh shiet thats cewl" or will it take the greek pantheon mostly as a fun theme and make a story around it
tepid yacht
if i were to guess, sgg probably handled the publishing but made an agreement to publish specifically on epic games' platform first
brisk trail
@real narwhal there is some cool stuff in it