h1-discussion

[misty prawn]

🥹 have some mercy good sir

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

what is the median hourly wage where you are at

donate that much to wikipedia

[misty prawn]

You are genuinely the first guy to ever ask me to do that as a compensation.

Hats of to you sir

I will donate 10 bucks to Wikipedia

[tacit ember]

i want to see a receipt

[misty prawn]

Is there a way to donate via Google pay ?

[jagged hamlet]

I feel like chibi Hatsune Miku is just messing with ya

[misty prawn]

Nah Wikipedia has been a great help in my studies and project

Seriously how can i use the google pay ?

[tacit ember]

🤷‍♂️

[misty prawn]

😐

[tacit ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1489302763119575102/image.png?ex=69cfecc8&is=69ce9b48&hm=2417bf0346a1f1d25f6915b7d045109a18cc4895e813ff453c37fdda5113cb17&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=614&height=749

[misty prawn]

Can you please send me a link?

[jagged hamlet]

Oh my gosh I'll donate in your stead

[tacit ember]

https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=SE&uselang=en-gb&wmf_medium=spontaneous&wmf_source=fr-redir&wmf_campaign=spontaneous

[jagged hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627213690306822163/1489303818003943596/Screenshot_20260402_094127_Firefox.jpg?ex=69cfedc4&is=69ce9c44&hm=033b9d72bd21f1ae81ff7cb1211d1057a275940ffdcbe7bf548cdf47ecc536b9&

@misty prawn, you're freeeee

[misty prawn]

🥹

I can't even redeem myself on my own

How much did you donate?

[jagged hamlet]

Eh, I'm a Christian, so same TBH LOL 😂

10 USD

[misty prawn]

🥹

My brother in christ I will not forget this

WTF would they not accept UPI payment?

[tacit ember]

😭

[misty prawn]

What's wrong mate

[tacit ember]

inshallah

[stiff obsidian]

frfr on odin

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-not-drake-laptop-duh-gif-gif-15750020406482202814

[tacit ember]

i was so close to beating 51hestia

almost made it to 2.2 lol

had no special hammer and a lv 3 common aphro attack

[stiff obsidian]

nice

u dont need special hammer

yea common aphro would do it

i would just restart if u got common

[tacit ember]

i could have edged it out but i couldnt take out the adds and got chipped down

[stiff obsidian]

now i have to try hesti

fiery presence btw

[lavish sorrel]

hestia can run anything for hammers tbh yea

though some options are obviously stonger than others (shoutouts to cluster, hazard, triple. and rocket if you have cluster or triple). not just special-hammers either; piercing and ricochet are quite safe and easy to use options, that can save you time in the fronthalf to then burn in the backhalf (your damage sucks because you're playing hestia; hestia's backhalf leaves much to be desired).

[stiff obsidian]

i lost most of my muscle memory lol

yeah thats enough hades for today

cant believeim losing

[tacit ember]

hazzard bomb reset in athena styx fountain room

no extra dd lol

was worth trying

uihsvghyusivugiybsergybrsdugybugygyus

bruh 2.2

was on a good run

got blasted by the spin dash lmao

i tried to input call but didnt get in time

gonna have to reset 80 times to get a rare aphro attack again bruh

[lavish sorrel]

why are we resetting for stuff on 50 hestia

this aspect can win basically any run that doesn't get saviored badly (shackle helps, but even without shackle taking the first %-based attack (and any special that isn't dio) generally ends up working out fine in my experience

[tacit ember]

im bad

999358269422321774

[elfin jewel]

i just choked the perfect run

i got all the gods i wanted in stage 1 and the main duo boon

im never getting that rng again

[vast raven]

<@&456908176877551658>

[misty prawn]

I just love the thunder dash thing that you receive from zeus, combine it with a range weapon and I got through the first stage pretty easily.

[granite musk]

don't worry, you'll get a similar run eventually

[pseudo juniper]

is kbm hindering me or does it not matter

[tepid plover]

You play with what you prefer

Devs recommend controller but at the end of the day is up to you. I prefer mnk

I tried controller and i hated it

[latent moon]

doesn't matter, many top players use kbm

both have their pros and cons but it shouldn't be a hinderance

[stiff obsidian]

i think it comes down to what weapon

[tepid plover]

It comes down to personal preference

[stiff obsidian]

i meant objectively

[wind birch]

im like hardstuck at 12ish minutes per clear

is there something i should be doing to go faster or

i have no clue how to get faster anymore catplush

[rustic vale]

What doesyour build look like foryour average run?

[wind birch]

Uhh ranges between aphro/dip and Poseidon/artemis

[rustic vale]

There’s usually still a few things to touch up with the mirror, building skills and speedrunning pact atp

It does depend on your aspect for what builds do work especially well

[wind birch]

Whatever un-nessecary god I get on dash or special

[wind birch]

For pact uhhh I’m guessing forced ot 2 makes things faster?

[rustic vale]

FO2 and EM2

[wind birch]

Em2 gotcha

[rustic vale]

Since extreme measures tightens up lernie arena

way less travel time and you can kill multiple heads at the same time

[wind birch]

Ouwhhh yeah very true

So the run will be kinda difficult

Besides the speed aspect

[rustic vale]

What aspect is this

[wind birch]

Beowulf

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to run fo2 to sub12 like

[wind birch]

Eh I’m used to it

[rustic vale]

If you’re used to it just keep it on then yeah

Just stick to the pos flare start -> artemis strike bh

[wind birch]

Alrrr

I do feel my muscle memory getting mixed with the h2 mechanics a bit

For mirror uh it’s fiery presence > right

[rustic vale]

Fiery Presence yeah

most aspects want it and beo has the base damage for it to matter

[wind birch]

Yeee fun

Other than that I’m doing my best to optimise well and chaos

Asphodel is 100% my slowest cause of uh

The red skeletons

I don’t like having to chase them a whole lot

[rustic vale]

Ely and tart are usually the real stinkers for time but

I guess aspho could def be slowing you down

[wind birch]

My Tartarus time is usually 2:30 to 2:45

[rustic vale]

Here’s the beowulf mirror

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1394910166876684288/0C5C82EF-5A59-47B7-85EB-ED5EC043A2E3.jpg?ex=69d09e53&is=69cf4cd3&hm=3935a6ff6ddae9e2284fad03acd99e1d1bef9ab998eb89cd4f4a7518fb208b4c&

Pretty much every aspect runs the same mirror anyways with maybe 1-2 swap outs anyhow

[rustic vale]

Nice

[wind birch]

High confidence, is downright terrifying

Gotta get used to that I guess Bleeeh

[rustic vale]

You won’t need high confidence for a sub12 either

It’s just a little cherry on top

[wind birch]

The goal is a sub 10!!

Eventually Yk

[rustic vale]

I’m gonna be so fr

I have never speedran beo properly I only know the entire build because it is the speed aspect

[wind birch]

Fair enough

I started using it just because it looked b I g

[rustic vale]

This was my single attempt at sub10 beo and it’s far from a conventional

[wind birch]

Charged flight yeah 😭

What do you normally use?

Eris?

[rustic vale]

zag bow

and zag rail

[wind birch]

Oh funnn

[rustic vale]

But I used everything this past summer because I wanted sub10 w/ all aspects and sub9 with all weaps and a single sub8

[wind birch]

How did the sub 8 go?

[rustic vale]

Pretty well given I’ve got 2 of them now

the second one was so stupid

[wind birch]

Oh awesome

[pseudo juniper]

can i ask why such runs dont use td

on the pact

[wind birch]

There’s no need to

You can

But like it’s be redundant

[rustic vale]

if you aren’t in a real-time speedrun it’s time saved from getting survival rooms

[pseudo juniper]

fair

[rustic vale]

if you are in a real-time speedrun, you want to get rid of the tartarus survival rooms since they hold you for 45s

[pseudo juniper]

how is it time saved

[wind birch]

Oh what the hell survival rooms are only without TD?

[wind birch]

Timer doesn’t run

The insane one

[rustic vale]

In-game clock stops for survival rooms

[pseudo juniper]

i mean like what significance does it have

[wind birch]

Ingame

[rustic vale]

Most categories use the in-game timer

[wind birch]

Well the time doesn’t go up for one room, that’s time saved

[pseudo juniper]

oh

thats fair

[wind birch]

Yeee :3

[pseudo juniper]

i dont like than encounters tho

i barely get boon/pom drops from him

and i waste like 5 seconds or something just waiting for him at the end

[rustic vale]

The first one was with my main aspect, zag bow, and then I had a really solid sub9 attempt with zag rail that I progressively realised over the course of the run was going to hit sub8

[rustic vale]

sounds like you aren’t killing more enemies than him if you aren’t getting the centaur heart

[pseudo juniper]

what i mean is like

[rustic vale]

damage solves

[wind birch]

5 seconds a room is still timesave .-.

[pseudo juniper]

everytime i get than its not from a boon/pom gate

[rustic vale]

Waiting 5s at the end of the room when he just stopped the clock for an entire room

[pseudo juniper]

so i waste time when the than chamber ends

[rustic vale]

I think you’ll be fine

[pseudo juniper]

yeah

[rustic vale]

you could always just codex tech it if you aren’t submitting it to a leaderboard

[pseudo juniper]

you can do that?

[rustic vale]

When you pull the codex up the clock stops but the other things keep ticking on like magma, thanatos movement and gate reveals

[wind birch]

You can codex after a than room? Before the centaur heart?

[rustic vale]

But codex tech is just in general banned for all speedruns

[rustic vale]

Yeah

while he’s meandering about

[wind birch]

Boop

[pseudo juniper]

its not like im fast enough to even bother submitting one

[wind birch]

Fun

[rustic vale]

That’s what I’m saying

you can do ts with no real issue

I on the other hand

Now have the horribly bad habit of doing that

Meaning I can’t really record runs 🥀

[wind birch]

KanadeHug

just change the codex bind

!!

[rustic vale]

I was using it for high heat timesave first

[wind birch]

PF_SMH

[rustic vale]

and desecrate my controls idk

I’m already compromising enough moving cast to something actually usable for hera

[wind birch]

oh are you on controller

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[wind birch]

iccccc

well i have no clue then that just sucks 😭

[rustic vale]

Eh

I’ve mainly been playing just ro test stuff out now

Downloaded the codex menu mod which is like creative mode for Hades and have the game files open next to it

Learn some really interesting things that way

[wind birch]

oh fun

[rustic vale]

like support fire not having backstab damage disabled

so it can backstab

the thing that’s supposed to only work for strike and special outside of specific circumstances

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219645392870969415/1486110307892990193/IMG_3611.mov?ex=69d0d5d3&is=69cf8453&hm=cdce2941c215c3ac3f5cf03a4c414eae992510e2586ac80d0eb7e95976e852b4&

[pseudo juniper]

i still dont understand the purpose of such effects

like body slam or wall slam or cornered or backstab

its like my first time seeing those effects in a game

[rustic vale]

two of those are real effects

wall slams and backstabs

[rustic vale]

Wall slams are pretty cool since they scale off the velocity the enemy hits the wall and the biome it’s in

[pseudo juniper]

wdym

[rustic vale]

bodyslams and cornered just

aren’t a think in Hades?

is ts something H2pilled I’m too stuck on H1 to understand

[pseudo juniper]

oh theyre very much a thing

i see it sometimes

tho i think i only see body slam on shield

[rustic vale]

oh you mean the bullrush?

the knockback from the bullrush?

[pseudo juniper]

idk what the requirements are but i see those texts pop up sometimes

[rustic vale]

weird

you know what

I never ever play shield if I don’t have to

let me crack open some gamefiles and see if I can find the trigger

is cornered just hitting an enemy into a corner then you reckon

[pseudo juniper]

yeah

[rustic vale]

should all be wall slam damage afaik but lemme check

[elfin jewel]

i nearly got the same run but i just missed the 2nd duo i needed

but it was less important

getting lightning phalanx was number 1 priority and i got that before the first boss

[elfin jewel]

very common with poseidon boons too

wait i might be tweaking thats wall slam nvm

[stiff obsidian]

no worth playing around them

they just kind of happen

and are usually negligible

wall slam not backstab

[tacit ember]

me when i have to study instead of playing hades

[latent moon]

Me writing the 30+ page 32 heat guide 3 years ago

[lavish sorrel]

xkcd 365 strikes again

[granite musk]

it helped me beat 32 heat

so it wasn't a waste of time for me

[latent moon]

Oh I was very happy to do it instead of studying

Objectively not a good time to do that tho lmfao

[bleak cypress]

hi

[stiff obsidian]

hihi

[rustic vale]

<@&456908176877551658>

[misty prawn]

Guys how should i deal with skull hydra, the combat area is just too cramped for me to deal with those many heads at once.

[rustic vale]

Is this with extreme measures 2 on?

[sharp phoenix]

Got offered 3 duo boons on one screen which my friend who got me into the game and is a top speed runner has apparently never seen

Kinda cool

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-meme-pics-or-it-didnt-happen-caption-gif-25674333

[sharp phoenix]

I have a picture but cannot send it here

[rustic vale]

You can send it with embedded image files

[sharp phoenix]

How do I do that?

I took lightning rod cos I have been ghosted enough to know the damage is crazy btw

[rustic vale]

send it somewhere else on discord and then send the media link, I think the easiest method is usually just a bot on any server since they don’t really care about their dms

like

@rain tundra

[sharp phoenix]

i dmed it to my friend so lets see if that works

[rustic vale]

Right click it and then “copy media link” should show up

[sharp phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351722277749657632/1489610343989645535/image.png?ex=69d10b3d&is=69cfb9bd&hm=c0c81f0c14659058f5177e92f6e64ace3f1d7735deddb3dc8751e3adf7e4a5c2&

ah ok thanks

sea storm was also kinda nuts for my build

[rustic vale]

To be fair if you’re a top speedrunner you’re going to be keeping your available duos pretty low most of the time

[sharp phoenix]

but it's always lightning rod from what i've heard

[sharp phoenix]

i have been ghosted by nalei for most of my gametime if u know who that is

[rustic vale]

lightning rod is just strong since it’s range is literally like half the screen

LMAO you know Nalei

[sharp phoenix]

they got me to buy the game

i'd say 70% of my game time has been on call with them

i'm a zag sword main because that's what they told me to spend my blood on early

and the rush delivery high roll does feel very nice

[rustic vale]

crazy aspect pull from Nalei lmao

[sharp phoenix]

it's their favourite

well not rly

arthur is their favourite

[rustic vale]

Have you used snow burst before?

[sharp phoenix]

but it's expensive in terms of blood

[rustic vale]

the demeter boon

[sharp phoenix]

i don't do names much but i know this is demeter which i know from nalei is bad

which one is this?

[rustic vale]

Burst aoe on cast

[sharp phoenix]

oh i've taken it once i think

it's ok

[rustic vale]

Demeter is pretty bad she literally has one build on one aspect

[sharp phoenix]

it's helpful which from a demeter boon is a big high roll

[rustic vale]

Lightning rod has a range 50% larger than that

It’s literally like half the screen

[sharp phoenix]

oh ye i realised after i was coerced into taking lightning rod that it covers so much distance

and it's so easy on hades to just dash behind the pillar, spam cast and forget

[tacit ember]

snowburst is fine on both beo and hera and you can run the arti duo

[sharp phoenix]

i also realised quite early that anything that gives u another source of damage is very strong

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1404271453838376971/High_Voltage.mov?ex=69d10e74&is=69cfbcf4&hm=a7144578dc8f1d5febe86e760dd355c549e739bb1a796d1685e02757fcfcca4b&

Here

[sharp phoenix]

having everything u can do be dealing damage is always nice

[rustic vale]

50% larger range than that

[sharp phoenix]

goddamn

i've taken it three times now i think

i did a tier list of boons with nalei where they corrected me when i was wrong

which influences a lot of what i take

[rustic vale]

Oh yeah

If you’re just using zag sword I guess that makes sense but like

across multiple aspects I can see that falling apart

[sharp phoenix]

i've just started using bow with the second aspect cos nalei said i would enjoy it, and i do cos it makes the only button i could press that is normally useless on bow becoming quite good

i hate the fact that bow special sucks so bad that unless u get the hammer it's unusable

i like to use everything that i have

[rustic vale]

mmm

I’m the opposite, I like zag bow for being able to make do with literally just dash and strike

[sharp phoenix]

zag sword is basically just dash strike

i practised dash strike, dash strike special for like 10 minutes on skelly

cos nalei said that's the optimal damage cycle

[rustic vale]

Well yeah most weapons are but sword dps rotation uses the special after the dash-strikes

Zag sword over nemesis is still sending me lol

[sharp phoenix]

idk i've lost one run total on zag sword

it seems very strong

with the plume

and i understand the plume tech cos i was told it

u can get rush delivery before a movement boon

[rustic vale]

i was about to say, plume tech? But no

It’s just early RD

[tacit ember]

i hate rd bruh

[sharp phoenix]

the plume tech apparently is that rush delivery can show up without another movement boon

[rustic vale]

it’s not tech really

It’s just one of the prerequisites

[sharp phoenix]

anything that buffs my tidal wave damage is very strong from my experience

tidal wave for me is the second best boon in the game

after trippy shot

trippy shot just has literally everything i want in a cast

other than lodging

[rustic vale]

trippy shot over tidal dash 😔

[sharp phoenix]

for me it's that i'm happy with blade dash, tidal dash or divine dash even if i prefer tidal dash

but with cast

i'm not very happy without trippy shot

it's so much better than the rest

even if the dash boons are stronger

[rustic vale]

I feel the opposite, no tidal dash is but my cast could really be whatever

Unless it’s a castpect

[sharp phoenix]

i do love tidal dash so much, the damage is outrageous and poseidon scales on himself

so more poseidon is always good cos it makes the tidal dash better

but i think divine dash is barely worse

and blade dash is only a bit worse than divine

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351722277749657632/1488602678429880471/image.png?ex=69d15547&is=69d003c7&hm=880dd206017ebba214c6a309ae3657edc448494659576896d5b9a14d337de2b8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=740&height=1025

this is the tier list that nalei and i made

[tacit ember]

boon tierlist is a bit of a bruh moment

[sharp phoenix]

when i include myself it's that i would put my own input and then they corrected me when i was wrong

[rustic vale]

I wonder if I can find the og copypasta tierlist

[sharp phoenix]

there was a lot of stuff that is in mid for having a high sell value

[rustic vale]

this is a much higher quality screenshot than the copypasta one though tbh

Oh it even has the names of the boons on it lmao

[sharp phoenix]

tbf the person who suggested we do this is one of the best hades players from what i've seen and it was a big learning experience for me

i thought artemis was bad before this tier list

they are my tutor basically

[tacit ember]

imo its easier to rank build strength than that of boons nessisarily

though for secondary boons you could rank them like this

[gray apex]

is it bananas

[sharp phoenix]

is that a person?

or a quite delicious fruit?

[gray apex]

could be both

[sharp phoenix]

build strength was a factor btw, i think it was speedrun, high heat and build synergy as the factors

although i will never speedrun nalei is a speedrunner so it had to be a category

sell value was a factor for sure but that comes under the rest

[tacit ember]

deo cast really has no place in s teir imo lol

[rustic vale]

It’s Nalei

[tacit ember]

but tbf ive only been playing high heat for a while

[gray apex]

Oh

Nalei gud

[sharp phoenix]

what's this do again?

[rustic vale]

dio cast

Trippy shot

[sharp phoenix]

jojo reference?

oh the one where

30%

[tacit ember]

💀 typo

[sharp phoenix]

second cast

[sharp phoenix]

i have spent the majority of my hades playtime being ghosted by nalei which has made my improvement much much faster

[rustic vale]

it has like highroll builds on achilles/hera/beowulf but not the meta builds

[tacit ember]

idkwhy zeus cast is so high either

[sharp phoenix]

tbf tho i ghosted alexis on balatro so it's kinda even

[rustic vale]

I know some speedrunners like zeus cast a lot for tartarus so I’d understand it

[tacit ember]

why is engulfing vortex so high

[stiff obsidian]

this is speed biassed

[sharp phoenix]

i take zeus cast when i can't find trippy shot, then i take a break to cry because i don't have trippy shot

same with like flood shot and uh

phalanx shot

and blade shot

[tacit ember]

floodshot justifiable for beo mirrage

[sharp phoenix]

it was a speedrunner who had the final say in where everything went so ye

[tacit ember]

athena cast being an athena boon gives it alot of value by that alone imo, for high heat

[rustic vale]

athena cast for lightning phalanx

[sharp phoenix]

as a relatively new player i do like athena in my god pool

and i like being able to hide behind my cast

to not take any damage

[tacit ember]

im nr 1 lighting phalanx hater

[sharp phoenix]

idk what lightning phalanx is by name but i love everything that procs jolted

i loooove jolted

i'm a discharge enjoyer

[rustic vale]

#1 meta contrarian

Static discharge

But everybody calls it jolted

[tacit ember]

me when jolted for p status

[sharp phoenix]

i'm bad with names but i know discharge cos it's the payoff for zeus

and i love seeing zeus

i love poseidon and zeus cos they scale with their other boons

which is great for damage

[rustic vale]

Sounds like you’d enjoy rail a ton

[tacit ember]

worst part of zeus is jolted not unlocking double strike

[sharp phoenix]

there is also scintillating feast which makes my goat trippy shot crazy

[rustic vale]

Double strike try not the be confusingly coded challenge level impossible

[sharp phoenix]

i got my first win on rail but then nalei told me i shld learn the game on a melee weapon

to increase the speed of my learning

[rustic vale]

rail is a melee weapon thou

[elfin jewel]

rail is basically a melee weapon

[sharp phoenix]

witht the special aspect right?

[rustic vale]

anything other than hestia (the sniper)

[sharp phoenix]

the one where u hit urself

[elfin jewel]

even just normally u play it melee

but the eris aspect is just goated

[rustic vale]

hestia is the only rail that actually cares about using the range, otherwise it makes more sense to play up close to abuse dash boons

[sharp phoenix]

idk i'm happy i learnt the bosses properly with zag sword cos it forced me to learn proper dash strike inputs and how to dodge stuff while punishing the windows

[elfin jewel]

i dont really like sword unless im using poseidon

but thats jus opinion

[sharp phoenix]

i was doing the plume keepsake because that's what makes zag sword powerful apparently- i would love a room 1 tidal dash on sword tho

[gray apex]

It's true, melee weapons will force you to dash better generally

[rustic vale]

using the one sword that doesn’t play like sword

[rustic vale]

Only way to make zag sword compete with nem tbh

[sharp phoenix]

rn i'm playing bow with the special aspect because nalei told me to do it next and i do what a better player than me tells me to do

it's also very fun cos it makes the useless special good

[elfin jewel]

i have been trying out nem sword

[gray apex]

it's a fun wep

[rustic vale]

I wonder why he would tell you to play chiron

worst bow aspect and it’s the one that heavily focuses on not playing bow

[sharp phoenix]

idk tbh, alexis knows i like using every button for damage so it's probably that

[elfin jewel]

i need to try out sometting i havent done yet

i need to beat the game with spear and reach the surface with beowulf shield

im being stubborn and keep trying to win with guan yu and dying at hades

[rustic vale]

I feel like Hera gives this to a great extent than chiron then because sure you lose the special but you gain like 1000% more cast usage

[sharp phoenix]

for me losing a button for damage lowers my fun which she probably knew before suggesting it

[tacit ember]

possidon for all buttons

[rustic vale]

I’m just thinking it’s basically trading off special for cast in my head at least

[tacit ember]

or achilles

[rustic vale]

Achilles for all buttons fr fr

[sharp phoenix]

cast can always be good but i'll try it for sure once i get enough blood farming heats with bow

btw alexis is all pronouns and likes ppl using multiple so my inconsistent pronouns is the best way to refer to my goat

[tacit ember]

who even is that bruh

[rustic vale]

didn’t know that

Nalei

[sharp phoenix]

nalei

[tacit ember]

i dont know who that is either

[rustic vale]

Big on the speedrunning server

never here

[sharp phoenix]

i thought nalei was a big deal for hades

they showed me the speedrunning.com stuff

[rustic vale]

99% of the community does not know the speedrunners

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

[rustic vale]

especially given they usually stick to the speedrunning server for the most part

[gray apex]

you dont see them here yea

[sharp phoenix]

i have also watched him to wr attempts and they consistently get sub 7 even on weak seeds

do u know nalei's control setup btw?

[rustic vale]

I didn’t know who nalei was until I started playing aspect of the week

[sharp phoenix]

it is the most cursed setup i've even heard of

[rustic vale]

and they were consistently dropping stupid times on any given aspect

[sharp phoenix]

she has a controller in her lap for movement and uses keyboard and mouse for the rest

[rustic vale]

[sharp phoenix]

it's very cursed

i keep getting warnings for language

they have left hand on controller right hand on keyboard and mouse

it's insane

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

it does make sense

more degs of movement and good aim

[sharp phoenix]

as a souls player i do see this as a big benefit

[tacit ember]

not worth bothering with for most ppl

[sharp phoenix]

my main games are fromsoft

when i play the original ds1 i hate the 8 total roll directions

so i see the purpose

[rustic vale]

See I can’t imagine willingly playing Hades with a mouse

I understand it works better for hera and beo to have more precise shots than just using autoaim but I’d just get pissed off having to wave my wrist around like mad

[elfin jewel]

i think unlocking your camera fixes that

[sharp phoenix]

i live in japan rn which is very far from my ps4 controller so i have had to learn with mouse and keyboard

[elfin jewel]

unless that fixes the 4 directions

i dont remember 100%

[sharp phoenix]

if ur talking about dark souls remastered that has omnidirectional rolling

prepare to die has no fix to the rolls

[gray apex]

Hera on mouse is a bit of a pain

[elfin jewel]

but playing ds1 made me never play locked on in any other souls game

[rustic vale]

I get that wallbugging is easier with more precise aim but the aiming process it infinitely worse

[sharp phoenix]

why is this? maybe shields being kinda broken?

[elfin jewel]

in remastered you get 4 roll directions locked on and omnidirectional when you arent

[gray apex]

yea, i tried it alot but ended up playing with autoaim instead

[elfin jewel]

so that just carried over to the others

[sharp phoenix]

this is a fix from prepare to die

[elfin jewel]

im newgen

[sharp phoenix]

ds1 would be so peak without the whole bed of chaos section

[elfin jewel]

my first souls game was when elden ring dlc came out

[sharp phoenix]

elden ring is fantastic as an introduction to souls

[elfin jewel]

i hate that bit

[sharp phoenix]

summons lets new players not hate themselves

[elfin jewel]

first half of ds1 is peak and then it kinda falls off

[sharp phoenix]

i kinda agree, i think seath is the exception

elden ring lets new players choose their difficulty

which is very nice

[elfin jewel]

i love the exploration of the fast half of ds1

[sharp phoenix]

u can use summons to make the game not that hard

[sharp phoenix]

everything linking back to the starting area is peak level design for sure

i think elden ring and ds3 are the best games to start with cos if u want to make them easy u can make them easy

it is difficult to make ds3 hard

elden ring is better because u can choose to not use summons and without summons it is a very difficult game

my hardest and third hardest boss i've fought are in elden ring

[elfin jewel]

i think my hardest was orphan of kos

[sharp phoenix]

i'm happy ur a bloodborne enjoyer

and orphan of kos is like fourth for me

very hard

for me top 3 is: promised consort radhan, friede, malenia

i think elden ring has a toggle for how hard u wanna make the game

[elfin jewel]

bloodborne is probably my favourite

the only thing id change is the flask system

[sharp phoenix]

if blood vials werent' a mechanic

ye

exactly

it sucks for a first playthrough

it's peak after that

[elfin jewel]

and then you get like 99 of them and its chill

[sharp phoenix]

after the first playthrough where u have to farm for them it's very very fun

and the world is so effortlessly menacing

but on the first playthrough farming blood vials sucks

dark souls 2 (my second favourite game ever) has so many mechanics that i would've loved for them to keep but they didn't cos of the haters

[elfin jewel]

ds2 is so peak

[latent moon]

Omg my goat nalei

They recently got a wr

[sharp phoenix]

i was watching on stream

she is my introduction to hades

which makes me feel bad about myself

cos i will never reach that level

[latent moon]

Lmfao I mean given a few thousand hours to match him I'm sure you'd get close

[sharp phoenix]

idk, i hold balatro over their head 24/7 cos it's the only thing i've taught her

i paid them $50 to get balatro btw

he refused to so i found the amount of money that would change that

alexis is genuinely so good at video games

also a lovely person

top 5 for me

[elfin jewel]

i love balatro

probably my 2nd fav roguelike

[granite musk]

isn't balatro a card game?

[rustic vale]

Card games can be roguelites/likes

they don’t strictly have to be rpgs

[granite musk]

I mean, I'd argue card games are their own category, but I see your point

[rustic vale]

Slay rhe Spire is a pretty big roguelite and has been around for a while like

That’s all 3

deck builder rpg and roguelite

actually deckbuilder rpgs are like a staple niche for roguelites

[granite musk]

as I said, I see card games as their own thing, but I see your point

[elfin jewel]

most subgenres of games have people with different opinions on what they are tbf

like with jrpgs theres constant discussions about if they have to be japanese

[rustic vale]

Perma-death, you don’t carry anything on from previous levels, you do have some meta progression(so it’s a roguelite not like), every run is procedurally generated

[elfin jewel]

i think some people also have it as dungeon crawling

[rustic vale]

mmm

spire is dungeon crawling no?

Idk crap about balatro

[elfin jewel]

yeah but balatro isnt

[rustic vale]

so there

[tacit ember]

i beat hestia 51

easy game

[elfin jewel]

but i see balatro as a roguelike

well roguelite

[rustic vale]

Even with dungeon crawling included like it’s still not cards that are taking it down

[elfin jewel]

mmm

i need to play a true roguelike

hades but you start a new save every time you die

[latent moon]

that's just fresh file

[rustic vale]

is Mario Kart a soft roguelike? There’s no procedurally generated areas but you have permadeath and random power-up spawns every run

I guess you have metaprogression with new karts

[latent moon]

fresh file except you're not allowed to use bow strats lmao

although like objectively speaking, doing it literally on run 1 is most optimal but also takes a lot more skill lmao

[tacit ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1294254043434057792/1489763444197560390/image.png?ex=69d199d3&is=69d04853&hm=281847e950e5dcdf54177948764df40385efa4e286c3701b710012b2720931e6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1848&height=554

[rustic vale]

Do it in run3 for hammer

[tacit ember]

teehee

[rustic vale]

You did beo 51 before Hestia?

[latent moon]

gamer

[rustic vale]

Next up gilgamesh

[lavish sorrel]

me too (just 50 beo, but normal mode with JS3 CP1 on iirc) and the two didn't feel too different difficulty-wise tbh (I'd even say that at 50, any above average beo build makes the run easier than any hestia build ever will)

like beo has so much damage and a wide enough block for anything beyond basic EM4 knowledge not to be necessary

[mint coral]

Funny shield

[vast raven]

i remember using beo for heat climbing then pivoting over to zeus shield slop for 50

[heavy heart]

someone help me out here, Achilles and Patroclus what's that meme something like 'and they were just friends'?

[fervent radish]

nothing more

[ocean moss]

Oh how much obol does the maxed out coin purse give you?

[rustic vale]

100

[ocean moss]

I thought it did that at base tho?

[rustic vale]

50 base

mm

[misty prawn]

No its just my first gameplay

[rustic vale]

Oh wait

Imm misremembering

It’s 100/125/150 isn’t it

[misty prawn]

Yes

Why are you doubting

[rustic vale]

That arena is literally miles long twin

[rustic vale]

Because I literally misremembered it earlier

[misty prawn]

No problem man

[misty prawn]

Really?

[rustic vale]

yeahhhh

[misty prawn]

Wait was I just panic dashing my way?

[rustic vale]

possibly?

[misty prawn]

Damn

[rustic vale]

It’s like a solid 8 or 9 dashes wide iirc

[misty prawn]

And somehow I manage to end up in one of thise skulls mouth😅

[rustic vale]

I remember starting a fresh save file and going to the Lernie fight and absolutely trudging my way across the arena to get to the next skull

that default arena is crazy large

[misty prawn]

Well I will try my best this time

[rustic vale]

When in doubt, damage solves

stronger builds

[misty prawn]

Damn right

Hey how do you upgrade your weapon?

If that is even possible in this game

[rustic vale]

Get all the weapons

Then you unlock aspects that are like variants of the weapon and you upgrade each one for a statboost or effect or a complete move or functionality change in some cases

[misty prawn]

Ohh thanks

[rustic vale]

You will need to die in a run after unlocking all the weapons (or finish a run but they’re the same thing anyways)

So that the house of Hades updates

[rustic vale]

you can only have one equipped at a time btw

sometimes people think they’re universal upgrades to the weapon and then get confused when they don’t have a specific move anymore

[misty prawn]

That makes sense, some specific moves are assigned to specific weapon upgrades only rather than being a general upgrade.

[ocean moss]

Hm okay

Ty

[mellow ginkgo]

When do y'all think it's good to swap to H2? I played a good chunk of H2 but realized I never finished H1. It seems like there's a ton of grindy endgame cosmetic content. Idc about 100%, just getting the main content is good enough for me. Unlocking the last aspect rn, is there more that I should do or is the rest just achievement hunting?

Might unlock all the companion thingies too before I swap over. But I think that's it right?

[lavish sorrel]

The two games are mostly unrelated story-wise, though there are jokes and references one will catch on to faster with good understanding of greek mythology or having gotten to the credits of the first game. Few of the cosmetics one can unlock in the h1 lategame provide much outside of being visual candy and providing a line of dialogue or two, you're probably good to move on if you so wish.

There is much more dialogue to be had after credits and even after epilogue, don't get me wrong, but I'd say the recommended minimum of gameplay to understand the majority of h1 refs in h2 is getting to credits

[elfin jewel]

im so excited for hades 2 to drop on playstation

i will be making the switch immediately

[gaunt crater]

If I keep my adamant arrowhead after it's given me the next boon effect, will I still have the +20% chance to be rare or better effect?

[tacit ember]

I had alot of fun fencing today thanks for asking

[gaunt crater]

Hello, miku cat

[tacit ember]

Hello, two pectoralis

[rustic vale]

Yeap

[gaunt crater]

Everyone makes the same joke 😭

[tacit ember]

Should I do Rama 51 next or work on 45 for the sword spear and fist

[stiff obsidian]

do hesty 56

[tacit ember]

Too skillisued

[vast raven]

rama is an easy 51 do it

[tacit ember]

gonna do some rama 51 now

[stiff obsidian]

why 51

it annoys me

[tacit ember]

.

[stiff obsidian]

but why not have 1 less than 51

[elfin jewel]

why not make it a nice round number and have 1 more than 51

[lavish sorrel]

why not round up to the next power of 2 /j

[tacit ember]

bruh i cant clear tart fast enough

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1490104890343821462/Hades_51.png?ex=69d2d7d2&is=69d18652&hm=70cb775b70f3e8dcce1b14775c5ebb58bec428e89fbef9b6a0fd77a9dc3e295f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1104&height=621

me thinks take off two levels of js in exchange for ri

[lavish sorrel]

wtf is this RI1 pact idea

RI2 JS1 please ty, yes

and EM4 AP1, might be more pleasant (though this one is up to personal preference)

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

ill try some ri2 and if i get stuck ill try em4

[stiff obsidian]

em4

https://tenor.com/view/skeleto-skeleton-fire-hell-burn-gif-26129219

[tacit ember]

rama when explosive shot

[vast raven]

repulsive shot rama 🤑

[tacit ember]

rama is too hard bruh

gonna do some nem 45

[ebon urchin]

Ok, so, I keep doing runs after runs to max out all the Gods, I already have all the duos and most legendaries, everyone at the house except Dusa and Orpheus are maxed out.
A bond is forge with more than half the Gods and I don't get the option to gift them anything anymore.
Yet for some of them the bond doesn't unlock!
Poseidon for example, I have done plenty of runs with his keepsake, unlocked all his boons but it just won't budge.
I still need Poseidon, Ares, Aphrodite, Hermes and Demeter.
I don't use a lot of punishment pacts (although I did the one with knocking down Theseus and telling Poseidon).
Is the difficulty the trigger?
I really want to earn the epilogue before starting Hades 2 next week.

Also, any advice to do the Skelly challenges ? Some pacts are way harder than others...

[rustic vale]

a given npc's favour is a unique requirement for them, so like ares you can only get the dialogue after 10k total kills, pos you need to have caught at least 18 fish and then talk to him with at least 1 undeposited fish ion you

you don't need to have caught the fish that run, just catch one and don't give it to the chef

they're all detailed in the "affinity" section on that npcs fandom wiki page

[ebon urchin]

I had no idea you could keep the fish!

I guess I'll check the wiki then.

[rustic vale]

yeah you can just turn in like 80 at once if you don't bother to hand them in

whoops wrong message to respond to

[ebon urchin]

Got it😆

[rustic vale]

demeters is dependent on you finishing the epilogue which is dependent on you have 6/8 regular olympian gods favours completed (but demter counts towards this without her favour so it's more like 5/8)

aphro needs bonds forged with dusa/meg/than off the top of my head

[ebon urchin]

I still need to do the Charon thing, I don't think it's mandatory though

Oh my... Thanks man!
I could have kept running around for hundreds of runs!

[rustic vale]

there's a pretty solid heat progression guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies that can take you from 0-32 (it's meant to be gradual but you can jump a few at a time if you want), and then Bananas 32 heat guide is also pinned in that channel which is really solid and has meta heat builds for like every aspect/ pacts / how to play with those pacts turned on

[ebon urchin]

Thanks. I actually don't miss too many. There is the time one that is probably much easier than I expect. Twin fists for crazy dmg

But now at least I have my way cut out for the epilogue!

[rustic vale]

you can't "miss" any rewards really since the game treats it like your lowest heat value (for rewards) if you overshoot

[ebon urchin]

Ah! Good to know

[rustic vale]

you can "miss" 0 heat though because it does track 0 and 1-20 seperately so you might want to check your weapons

[ebon urchin]

I don't know if I'll unlock the Skelly stuff, but I will try the double Charon. I need to remember to pick him mid area to practice his patterns a bit!

Anyway, thanks, that was a lot of useful infos!

[kindred hare]

just curious, is there a known bug/issue in the last fight where sometimes the exploding skull rings are just.. invisible? Had some runs where I couldn't even tell what was hitting me until I noticed I could still see the dust effects, just not the ring.
gut sez might just be a case of Switch problem and not closing the game very often, just putting system to sleep.

[granite musk]

I noticed that too, but since you can see the shockwave, it's still dodgeable

[latent moon]

i've heard of that bug before, no clue what causes it or how/if it can be fixed

it doesn't happen to everyone, hasn't ever happened to me ever personally

[granite musk]

I think it happens when you leave your game on too long(at least on pc/steam) because I only notice it start to happen when it's been hours since I launched the game

[lavish sorrel]

Already been said, but yeah it's known. I don't think anyone understands why it happens. Elapsed playtime in the session seems to be part of it? But it doesn't seem quite deterministic or reproducable by everyone. In the context of this conversation for example, Bananas has never had it happen to him, whereas it has happened to me. This makes me think the bug is in the game engine somewhere, and not the lua (because lua is a very high-level language, it's mostly hardware-, os- and platform-agnostic).

[tacit ember]

bruh ive very much entered heat that i think is unfun because of rng lol

maybe its time to try modded

i think rama 51 is pretty doable unmodded for me so ill do that first

[vast raven]

ya i dont remember seeing that at all when i did my giga long play sessions

[latent moon]

that is true, i typically never play for more than like 1.5 hrs at a time

and also i dont have thousands of hours in the game compared to you lmfao

[lavish sorrel]

top 54 modded anyheat runner without some thousand hours

Speaking of I should probably get on that sub6 beo, it's been on my goals list for nearly 1.5 years already

[latent moon]

i mean it was still like 400-450 hours to get to that point lmfao

still a lot of time put into it without grinding sessions

[stiff obsidian]

🙂

[rare jasper]

man, had a really good run with raava or rnaga or whatever the hidden bow aspect was

[latent moon]

rama lmao

[gaunt crater]

@latent moon @rustic vale

[rare jasper]

rama, right

dionysus special, +4 special hits, support fire, random crit boon, etc

then the game crashed

[calm dagger]

peak gameplay is pressing interact on the lyre 5 billion times for the ambrosia

[gaunt crater]

I JUST finished that

2nd last prophecy only to divine pairings

[rare jasper]

wait its just a straight up counter??

i thought it was like a certain number ticking up per run and when you interacted with it or something

or orpheus taught you how eventually

[calm dagger]

It’s like 210 interacts or something of that like

[rustic vale]

[gaunt crater]

Hi hi

[rustic vale]

Regular counter

interact 210 times

[gaunt crater]

It's been a while

I've really almost 100%ed the game now

Just divine pairings and upgrading weapon aspects now

[rustic vale]

Nice

[gaunt crater]

I've also really been understanding how to make builds and it's thanks to going for divine pairings completion and god's legacy

Aspects of rama and beowulf are SO fun

[elfin jewel]

im so dumb. i just did a 15 heat run when i couldve done one more for a statue

[calm dagger]

i wish the gods unlocked ambrosia faster because HOLY it is a grind

like Poseidon please just let me give you the damn ambrosia TAKE IT OFF MY HANDS

[elfin jewel]

i need to figure out the easiest 1 heat to add

i had em3, fo 2, and deadline 2

[vast raven]

lc1 probably

[elfin jewel]

i was gonna go to bed after that run but now i need to get that done

[fossil adder]

is Hades really prerendered 3D sprites?

[jagged hamlet]

Yep! Pretty funny

[jagged hamlet]

Oop!

[fossil adder]

It destroyed my brain at first time

like wth Is this 2D

I can't process how they renderized all and make it look 3D

[jagged hamlet]

Me neither, having never done computer graphics! But I think there's an article about it. One sec

[fossil adder]

Hades I Is more bigger in disk space for that

[jagged hamlet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-rendering

[fossil adder]

ye i know the prerendered games but it feels weird , i always though it was real rendered or handpainted models but Is all 2D

maybe cuz making models look good in orto graphic and in normal camera Is hard to make it walkable

[jagged hamlet]

I'm not sure about the technical challenges, but it seems like you have a good idea!

[pseudo juniper]

am i dumb

i cant give meg any more nectar and everytime i talk to her she just says some random bs

and it doesnt give me the option to give her ambrosia either

all the while every guide i see online shows that ||youll have to romance meg eventually by talking to her|| but im not getting any dialogue related to that

i just want her companion man

[granite musk]

that's the neat part, you have to listen to all the random bs

[pseudo juniper]

do i just have to keep talking to her until i can give her ambrosia?

[tacit ember]

i just kept doing runs and eventually she came around

[pseudo juniper]

codex says i have to deepen my relationship w her, not have more conversations with her

[pseudo juniper]

cant i just cheat it and kill myself every time in tartarus

or do i have to battle the sisters every time for her to appear in the house

[granite musk]

I mean... you can take the runs to help you progress everyone else's hearts/locks whilst you burns through her dialogue

[tacit ember]

throwing runs for meta progress seems very boring

just play the game and the story will progress passively anyway

[granite musk]

I mean, sometime I can see the appeal(I wish I did that when Nyx was being difficult for me), but most times, I would suggest just playing runs, it'll get you blood/diamonds/ambrosia and you'll get better at the game

[tacit ember]

just push heat

[lavish sorrel]

give up on the main save, download a maxxed save from somewhere, load in, and get all achievements that way /j

[vast raven]

big p that you

[ebon urchin]

Well finaly got the epilogue...
Only two things left to truly complete the game.
unlock the damn Skelly challenges and do the friendly wager!
But it seems that I am not good enough to handle 8 heat or more.
Maybe there is a cocktail of pacts that is easier than the others...
Is the second skelly gift at 16 heat?

[heavy heart]

Give it time you'll get better

[tacit ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1490741868886098071/image.png?ex=69d5290e&is=69d3d78e&hm=02b6448778d7f2483fa6b08be415ffc02fe92d8f6d4ec3b2d4576df14ab60406&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=800&height=723

blue circled ones are pretty free, forced overtime is a harder pact but for the heat its on the easy side

red circled ones are early heat picks, no brainer for 32

dc if the aspect can handle it

the rest you can mix and match, one or two levels of RI and one level of AP would be preferable to the same ammount of heat from JS or CP

[ebon urchin]

I'll try that thanks.
Isn't forced overtime the one that speeds up the eneies? I found it quite hard!

I really don't like the one that has you purge a boon at every biome (altough I don't know if you can mitigate it with fated persuasion.

I still haven't cleared the game with a few maybe I should do separate runs instead of trying to do all three together

[frozen lion]

FO2 makes the enemies spawn in faster and lets you get some relatively free heat from TD3

[granite musk]

it's actually a blessing in disguise, it allows you to thin out your boon pools of boons you don't want to level up so you can focus the poms you get into the boons you really need

[cyan ginkgo]

I tend to use that it gives me coins and its only 1 per region/floor (typically just sacrificed the worthless boon or sum i didny like)

Very good

[frozen lion]

If your build is noticeably suffering from UC, it probably needs too many things to work and should be avoided in favor of something more consistent.

Unless you have AP2

Then AP2 is the problem more than likely

[ebon urchin]

Well for me, there is also a skill issue, I got that far on brute force and lucky builds, but to do 8 then 16 heat, I'll need to not get hit as much.
I often reach Hades, but by then I don't have a lot of life left.

Also my weapons are not fully upgraded, does it make a big difference?

[frozen lion]

Do you use god keepsakes for the first two levels of the underworld?

[frozen lion]

Depends. For example zag fists don't get as much of a benefit from upgrades vs. demeter fists

[ebon urchin]

Well I prefer Gilgamesh anyway!

Talking about aspects, is Lucifer and Guan yu actualy good? because when I pick the rail I don't often bother for anything but Eris.
And I only used Guan Yu enough to complete it's prophecy

[frozen lion]

Stubborn defiance is recommended as it basically extends your healthbar per room
I just learned to not get hit as much, but my play style is highly unorthodox and will most likely not work for you

[frozen lion]

Guan Yu is the best spear aspect for high heat, Lucifer is good but not as good as hestia or eris for high heat, but it does have boss kill records

I like me some Lucifer

Guan Yu is quite difficult to get the hang of and has relatively little room for error

[ebon urchin]

Yeah I gess these are more advanced weapons.
Maybe I should focus more on getting better at the game than trying to pick an easier road.
I probably also switch to Stuborn defiance and try to make it work.
I sometimes have been dependant on Patroclus to save my runs.

I have until next week to clear 16 heat! Then I can go start Hades 2 with my head held high!

[cyan ginkgo]

U can do it!

[latent moon]

Luci's build only needs triple bomb for massive damage, which you can get in Tartarus so your whole build can be more or less done after tart lmao

[tacit ember]

i would suggest picking a weapon you want to push heat with, a shield, bow or rail would likely be the easier options but everything is viable and see how they feel with certain pacts, for instnace maybe just try a run with just forced overtime 2, once you beat that maybe you can add em3, hardlabor etc

if you are able to beat overtime 2, em3, labor 5, consiquences 4 youve pretty much got more than enough mechanical skill to beat 32heat

[eager raft]

guan yu's special with aphrodite is strong but with charged skewer it can do like 500 dmg

its pretty op

[jagged hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4znTAbVQFk

[tacit ember]

pretty neat

ive barily touched a guitar in a very long time now, should get back to atleast getting a couple min of practise a day

im so unmotivated to designate time to dedicated guitar study though

[eager raft]

gilgamesh, hestia and guan yu are the coolest looking aspects in my opinion

especially hestia

i feel like the upgraded version of theseus and asterius is easier than ppl say

like the gold one

[latent moon]

Bull is harder to deal with in em3, theseus is a lot easier most of the time

He has more area denial that isn't as targeted compared to his normal form

[tacit ember]

he has more hp and i think the spin move is new? havent played non em heros in a good while

he is quite scary with overtime 2 labor 5

[elfin jewel]

theseus losing his shield makes it quite nice

[eager raft]

yea

em3 is definitely worth it for the heat imo

if youre doing 32 heat

[ebon urchin]

phwew! Progress! Finaly completed Harsh Conditions and the first Skelly prize! All that is left is find a way to complete a 16 heat run (I am nowhere near!) and I'll finally unlock that Plat!

Sidenote I had no idea Athena/Demeter Boon was so OP

[tacit ember]

turtle strats

[ebon urchin]

turtles? Like a very defensive build and kiting all the way?

[tacit ember]

stubborn roots lets you hide around and dissengage from bosses to heal back up (turtling)

[ebon urchin]

Ah right.. Yeah I had that and the rail triple special with chill and more (along with Athena's call).
One of the easiest Hades I did in a while!

[bronze drift]

Did anyone else think that the symbol of hades looks like the infinity symbol but cut at a point? I like to think it was a design choice and not an accidental because it symbols eternity but cut off at a point which basically means mortality and that’s what hades is responsible of, the end of your journey

[bold basin]

Just beat the game with the spear and was wondering where I should go from here

Im planning on 100% the game

[rustic vale]

You just won for your first time?

You’re going to need a couple more wins firs to hit the credits

[bold basin]

how many?

[latent moon]

10 total

[bold basin]

damn

[rustic vale]

Are you looking for like yhe steam achievement 100% or the everything 100%

cuz that is a difference of like 400 hours playtime

[bold basin]

just 100% the xbox achivement

im aware if the 64 heat grind

and im not planning on that

not sure if xbox and steam are the same

[rustic vale]

64 heat is not included anywhere in the 100% lmao

at most 32 heat for the skelly statues

[bold basin]

i thought everthing 100% included that?

[rustic vale]

there’s nothing for completing heat past 32

nothing ticks off

[bold basin]

ah ok

[rustic vale]

but there are loads more things to obtain

[bold basin]

i see

well im just planning on 100% the achievment on xbox and hoping to get it done before hades 2 comes out on xbox

[rustic vale]

Btw if you included 64 heat

You’d be looking at like

6000+ hours added

[bold basin]

yeah....

no thanks

[rustic vale]

3 people have done that unmodded

[bold basin]

yeah i watched a video on it, seems just tortutes

like you can't even start a run without taking a hour

of resetting

[rustic vale]

What I was talking about earlier with just the 400 hours is like codex, all relationships maxed, all aspects maxed, all housing contractor stuff, all resource director ranks

also yeah afaik the achievements are identical across every system

steam/xbox/PS

[bold basin]

is part of the achievment or just extra

im asking cause i don't see any achievment related to all resource direactor ranks but i see one for codex

[latent moon]

resource director is not needed at all

you just need to max relationships with everyone

that's like the biggest grind basically

[latent moon]

simply be angel and win a 64 heat run within an hour

[bold basin]

thanks for letting me know

[lavish sorrel]

LOL mild exaggeration, but definitely 2k to build up the necessary skill and knowledge (MAYBE 1.5k if you're very talented), and an extra 200 to 500 hours to actually do it if I had to guess (even assuming the player loses once or twice to dad from nerves or BS)

Fun fact: the odds calculated in that haelian video are actually wrong; the smaller zeus shield hammer pool wasn't taken into account

[latent moon]

the odds are still pretty horrid i would imagine tho

[rustic vale]

Just extra

The actual achievements are rather light

[pure crystal]

I wanna play hades 😿

[stiff obsidian]

Same

[vast raven]

the higher cshot odds weren’t accounted for with my specific perceived bias🔥

[tacit ember]

bruh i hate teh stupid thwomp guy miniboss in asph

[granite musk]

it is a big time waster ngl

[lavish sorrel]

just meg when it's about to hit you ez

and if you're standing next to the megagorgon while megging it'll hit her too

[devout terrace]

i mean the thing is we were just generally wrong about everything back then

cause we were super pessimistic, like still in the non practical phase cause no one really tried seriously aside from baj

so we were all just basing stuff with no basis to actually back any of it up

like we didnt think any other weapons had it in them

its still a marvel to me what people can do with 1 dash on normal weapons nowadays

blows my mind

[lavish sorrel]

and by "people" you actually mean playad, cheesy and scratch specifically /j

and maybe me with hestia though I don't have a wr vod to show for it

[devout terrace]

the false hubris was that it was impossible to have runs get deep enough to get the hermes roll at all

and then that in itself added another layer of rng in an already nightmarish run where you need 2 good hammers and good boons and skips

talking about rama specifically

[frail solar]

How fast ur fastest run guys

In the first game not h2

[vast raven]

6:08 with src modpack and 6:44 unmodded iirc

[misty prawn]

Just unlocked the machine gun and it is already my favourite weapon now

[lavish sorrel]

6:37 without modpack, haven't ran modded much (on my bucket-list though)

[rustic vale]

7:43 unmodded

[tacit ember]

mine seems to be 32:59

[lavish sorrel]

Bro beat 51 heat with 13 or more minutes of TD2 overtime /j

[old bluff]

4:43 :)

(Modded)

[zealous vessel]

Is aspect of Gilgamesh any good? 👀

[rustic vale]

Not for speed or high heat

[rustic vale]

“What’s your speed pb”
“Here’s my ff win”

[zealous vessel]

Noted

[stiff obsidian]

U don't even remember my top time

I think 6:52 modded

I*

[eager raft]

which amount of heat do i need to beat to be considered a good player

[tacit ember]

any % time

[lavish sorrel]

that fully depends on your standard of what a "good" player is. the maximum the game's achievements require is 16, something which according to Steam achievement statistics only 7.4% of players ever bother to do (even though most of them would definitely be capable of it with a tiny bit of practice or resource-farming; on a maxxed save, even with a horrendous pact, it's still possible to just button-mash during combat at 16 heat and still win). the maximum the game rewards the player for is 32. most top players can consistently beat 50 without too much effort. max heat (64) is painful and no-one enjoys playing it much, especially unmodded.

Also keep in mind that there might be some goalpost-pushing going on here: it's very easy to be unsatisfied with what one has already achieved, regardless of how impressive those accomplishments already are. Be careful not to fall into that trap.

[eager raft]

thanks for your opinion and help

im gonna try to beat 40 heat

[tacit ember]

40 is a good fun heat level

[eager raft]

fun

yall are on another level bro

[tacit ember]

https://preview.redd.it/this-meme-tried-to-roast-take-a-break-gamers-tm-but-it-v0-kvtxfi25hyrf1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=18e0fd161e58658b05e4324b2e24fc2132fcc1b3

[eager raft]

i literally complimented your skill

im just not that good at the game yet

so for me it's still difficult

[bold basin]

i can't tell what this is saying and what side its taking

[eager raft]

i think he's against me idk why

[tacit ember]

no i think the wojack depicted is based

[bold basin]

oh ok

[eager raft]

im new at the game

40 heat is still hard for me

[lavish sorrel]

a lot of things in life are "put time in, get results out", and hades is no exception ... all of the people here with accomplishments that seem absurd to you have put significant time in to get there. easy to forget that.

besides, as you know there are many more important things to be good at than a videogame, though they do make for fun party-tricks

[eager raft]

yea they most definitely put a lot of time in the game

some like to be egotistical about their skill though

[lavish sorrel]

I will have to agree with verygoodyesyes and go on-record stating 40 heat isn't too bad, though the way the idea was expressed in their message does come off as rude. one can't mash as hard as at like 32, but on a good aspect and pact still reasonably doable by most players within like 300h of total playtime (including grinding up the save and learning the game et cetera) I reckon.

[eager raft]

yea but im new at the game

i just beat 32 heat

[rotund tangle]

I personally think anyone can do 40 *with shield because I was able to do that basically without having to learn any attack patterns and dodging tech

Kinda why I'm thankful there's no perfect block button in any weapon in Hades 2 because I was actually forced to learn how to play the game lol

[lavish sorrel]

well, what was your pact? aspect-choice? those two parameters greatly impact how much pain one has to go through.

[eager raft]

hestia with damage control 2

[lavish sorrel]

oh LMAO that was you

yeah you can do 40 no problem, take off DC2 and turn up timer to level 3, as a first step

[eager raft]

imma try

cause i accidentally used DC

i forgot im using hestia

also deathless

[eager raft]

im gonna try to do timer on 2

cause i did 1

and it was underkill

[lavish sorrel]

you can do level 3 just fine

you lose 2 shots per enemy when running DC2, and that ends up being up being quite a big deal on the single-target & slow-recharge aspect of all time

[eager raft]

yea

i had to shoot them 3 times to kill a single foe

with armor 5

😭

[lavish sorrel]

if you have any pact-questions for what to run at 40, do prefer asking in #h1-high-heat-strategies , more on-topic

[eager raft]

okay

[lavish sorrel]

there are many different options that are viable: some things up to personal pref, some aspect-dependent, and some always good/bad

[stiff obsidian]

highkey good way to play tho

[zealous vessel]

Anyone got any recommended builds for 32 heat?

[lavish sorrel]

any of the ones in the #h1-builds-and-combat pinned guide will do

[zealous vessel]

Nice 🙏

Thank you

[tacit ember]

nodcathyper

[gaunt crater]

@rustic vale

[valid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-chill-блендер-blender-спокойствие-gif-9944403019738330384

ares boons

[rustic vale]

Sup

[gaunt crater]

Heya, shackle

I just wanted to let you know

Hades 2 is AMAZING

It's so expansive and cool and fun

I think you should give it a go

If you have the time, that is

[rancid ember]

What's the minimum and maximum damage saved by the 5-hit evergreen acorn in region 3 and in region 4, with 0 vs. max ranks in the clause that increases damage taken?

(assuming all 5 hits are shielded)

[autumn jewel]

idk about elysium (region 3) but I'm fairly sure that in styx the biggest damage at a time is 150
shoutout to dad pots

[rancid ember]

Oh wow o.o

That definitely points to the acorn as very strong defense potentially

[vast raven]

acorn very good yep

[autumn jewel]

you normally don't turn heightened security on but yeah acorn usually saves like 200 damage against dad

[rotund tangle]

P1 summons can destroy that though

[vast raven]

still better than losing hp in most scenarios imo but true does happen

shoutout bball in em4

[autumn jewel]

imagine not being able to one shot ball
this post is made by the hera gang

-# I have not played em4

[mint coral]

Sadly em4 summons have like few thousand extra armor lol

[tacit ember]

summons dieing passively to aoe (beo gameplay)

[lavish sorrel]

Beo with its off-center 240° block angle

[earnest torrent]

MARK

[pure crystal]

I wish I could play hades

[manic finch]

I made a steak

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-steak-mark-omni-man-gif-13811417561747005942

[tacit ember]

New ep today wow

[pseudo juniper]

im surprised how active the hades 1 community is even after how many years the games been out and how it already has a sequel

im glad h1 didnt become obsolete

[jade urchin]

Guys for some reason in begining of the game I did not gave any nectar to megera but I was giving to thanatos . Later I started giving nectars to megera but she doesnt give me the small trophy thing Im at attempt 110 or something is this normal. Btw I did notvget into intercourse both with megera or thanatos so game buged or something?

[lavish sorrel]

The answer to most things in Hades is "keep playing the blasted game and it'll happen". There are no known softlocks out of this line of dialogue, you're all good.

[sharp phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351722277749657632/1491434929190600754/image.png?ex=69d7ae84&is=69d65d04&hm=3132583da6304c0d9b76f0b1a7f0dc5cffee6dced4496b780eb14919ab0e7dc8&

pretty crazy build for a pb

i refuse to do more progression until i have a 10:xx time

my friend told me i could get it

i love zagreus sword

[lavish sorrel]

avoid chopp (world splitter) in speedruns, outside of that VERY good build gg

also Forced Overtime 2 would help

[sharp phoenix]

normally i'm ghosted by my friend who is one of the best speedrunners but i wasn't this time lol

but i know enough that if i start with athena i should look for merciful end

and i should always be looking for rush delivery

[lavish sorrel]

who's your friend

[vast raven]

nalei right