i dont remember the exact time tho
#h1-discussion
rustic vale
0.15s for strike (chain lightning)
0.2s for all lightning bolts (flourish, dash, call, etc)
What aspect is this?
like chaos shield, chiron and demeter fists are only getting 1 maybe 2 single target bolts per special
balmy quail
Those chariots
vague wing
What aspect is this?
Chaos' Flourish boo. That generically grants +60% special DMG or whatever.
rustic vale
Chaos' Flourish boo. That generically grants +60% special DMG or whatever.
That’s not an aspe t
I was asking because some aspects specials hit faster than the lightning cooldown
vague wing
Yeah, I was using Hera for Zeus' Flourish.
I'm glad I was able to observe & comment on Zeus' Strike/Flourish having a cooldown. I would assume it's 0.15s just like Poseidon's Splash in Hades 2?
rustic vale
0.15 for chain lightning (strike and cast)
0.2 for lightning bolts (everything zeus projectile that isn’t chain lightning)
so .2s for flourish
.2s for support fire from artemis as well for that matter
vague wing
Huh. The Stygian Blade's life leech upgrade scales very poorly throughout the run. At least for bosses. No wonder why I avoided it like the plague.
mint coral
It also doesn't work on dash strikes
rustic vale
That’s the real crime tbh
rotund tangle
I played Shield as much as every other weapon combined so yeah all I know is bullrush lol, Idk maybe it's because my monkey brain neuron activation on Merciful End fists makes me hit the keys harder
rustic vale
I played Shield as much as every other weapon combined so yeah all I know is bul...
Fair enough
Shield is probably the least dashing weapon
Complete opposite of fists, sword, spear, rail
vague wing
When I play on KB&M, I bound Dash to right click.
When I play on the gamepad, I would have bound Dash to left trigger only to realize I can't aim with the right thumbstick.
rotund tangle
Shield is probably the least dashing weapon
Yeah pretty much only time I'd dash-strike with the shield would be to kill Numbskulls and Pests and maybe Sunkern Souls in Elysium, though with Beowulf recently I find it's optimal to dash into an enemy and do a small bull rush
balmy quail
Got to ask should I upgrade my spear or a different weapon
Maybe I should upgrade the spear need to complete some things
Also I just realized something cool after a bit
frozen lion
Complete opposite of fists, sword, spear, rail
bow too lmao
rustic vale
bow too lmao
yeah but even at best it's a lot less inputs per second
unless you're using pseudotech
vague wing
Hum. How many a time is it joked Poseidon's Aid involves running someone over with a car?
frozen lion
Someone should make the Asgore GIF with Poseidon
vague wing
Dionysus' Strike/Flourish has this really odd limbo where it encourages high fire rate moves, yet it only stacks up to 5 by default.
lavish sorrel
Dionysus' Strike/Flourish has this really odd limbo where it encourages high fir...
We call these boons "bad" for the most-part (for a variety of reasons), "odd limbo" is a sugarcoated way of saying it I guess.
vague wing
We call these boons "bad" for the most-part (for a variety of reasons), "odd lim...
I was told Doom was the worst status effect to tie to Strike/Flourish.
latent moon
it's eh most of the time
vague wing
I liked equipping Ares' Flourish onto the Bow.
latent moon
generally a lot better things for flat damage scaling unless you're specifically building towards ME
lavish sorrel
I was told Doom was the worst status effect to tie to Strike/Flourish.
Situation-dependent but I'd argue hangover is worse because hangover doesn't get ME
latent moon
yea
vague wing
What's ME?
lavish sorrel
latent moon
if you're only comparing attack/special for hangover vs doom anyways lmao
dio call is really good
vague wing
It seems as much. Am I glad Supergiant let DoTs stack up to 999.
lavish sorrel
It seems as much. Am I glad Supergiant let DoTs stack up to 999.
Wrong game
vague wing
I meant for Hades 2.
frozen lion
I was told Doom was the worst status effect to tie to Strike/Flourish.
Doom on Rama special ain't too shabby though
frozen lion
I meant for Hades 2.
latent moon
doom is fine for like additional damage, it's not really good for a main damage source unless you have ME
it falls off hard after tartarus as a main
vague wing
Doom on Rama special ain't too shabby though
So too the regular Coronacht aspects.
At least that's what I found.
latent moon
well the issue there is that bow special kinda just sucks lmao
rama special is fine
chiron is dubious but you wouldn't want to run doom on that anyways
vague wing
I was told the worst weapon was the Eternal Spear due to its low DPS.
rustic vale
by who?
latent moon
and ideally you wouldn't want to use special on zag bow or hera
rustic vale
What
vague wing
I dunno.
latent moon
I was told the worst weapon was the Eternal Spear due to its low DPS.
lowest dps in the game is chiron lmfao
vague wing
I liked the Spear. It got me through the main campaign the first time I played Hades 1.
frozen lion
I was told the worst weapon was the Eternal Spear due to its low DPS.
Guan Yu spear is one of the few aspects used to beat Hades on 61 heat
rustic vale
unironically like all the weapons are good enough and like
latent moon
each weapon has a good aspect that has good dps so you can't generalize weapons that much tbh
at least 1 good aspect anyways
rustic vale
Spear is really really hammer dependent though on the whole
latent moon
Guan Yu spear is one of the few aspects used to beat Hades on 61 heat
beat 64 modded too
frozen lion
2 Zeus 1 rama
latent moon
i think it's only zeus and rama
yeah
4 aspects have 64 modded
2 aspects have 64 unmodded
frozen lion
4 aspects have 64 modded
Zeus rama guan... Eris iirc?
latent moon
yeahg
vague wing
In my second playthrough, I'm burning through a lot of Ambrosia buying Titan's Blood.
I don't intend to play far beyond the main campaign, but I recall having so much Ambrosia, I needlessly bought a HUD reskin early.
rustic vale
You should be fine as both are infinitely renewable and iirc you get more ambrosia than you need for all npc dialogues
now buying the completionist stuff is a little sketchy but
when you trade it all for blood*
But fishing and trading for more easily helps
If you just level up one companion it cuts off like 50 ambrosia from whats required
which I think is like 150 or 160’total including work orders and resource director
vague wing
How fun is it to get Unseen I in Hades 1? I got Unseen I in Hades 2, & I found it fun. I then realize meta currency means nothing now, & it's killed a lot of motivation to play.
rustic vale
so
If you’re aiming for unseen one
just have other goals
while doing it
I got it at like 400-450 escapes
frozen lion
I'm not playing for resources, I'm playing for progressively higher heats
rustic vale
while I was darkness grinding for maybe 40 runs of that and always had other goals otherwise
Darkness grinding boring however speedrunning and high heat is not
vague wing
Getting Unseen I in Hades 2 only took me ~200 runs!
vague wing
And I've long ran out of Minor Prophecies then!
lavish sorrel
How fun is it to get Unseen I in Hades 1? I got Unseen I in Hades 2, & I found i...
800 hours of playtime for unseen one (/j I didn't play my main-save for almost half of that time)
Jokes aside, way too grindy. Unseen One isn't something people usually aim for, it kinda just happens after a while.
rustic vale
I ran out of minor prophecies before I finished my bounties at like 120
Mine was like 500 hours I think
mwybe
latent moon
generally speaking, the only people who have hit unseen one are people who grind speedrun/high heat bc they just have so many hours and runs
they just get consistent darkness from bosses and dont even aim for darkness boosting boons
a handful of people have specifically grinded for unseen one without those goals in mind tho
latent moon
iirc one of the mods got unseen one and didn't grind speedruns/high heat
well maybe a bit of speedrunning i guess so the runs aren't a slog but they weren't active in the speedrun community
vague wing
Is it me, or is it really easy to lose track of who's where?
I recall making the same conclusions in my first playthrough of Hades 1 before eventually getting used to it.
Now I have to get used to it again.
frozen lion
Like, bosses and Patroclus and whatnot?
rustic vale
I recall making the same conclusions in my first playthrough of Hades 1 before e...
?
No
I can’t say I’ve ever thought that
vague wing
For me, it's not too difficult to lose sight of information in all the visual noise.
rustic vale
Everyone generally has their own spot and occasionally goes over to somebody else for a chat either at that persons spot or the lounge
Oh enemies
It happens
Pretty roguelikey thing to happen tbh
It’s very easy to overwhelm the screen with projectiles
vague wing
It’s very easy to overwhelm the screen with projectiles
Enter the Gungeon doesn't have a problem with visual noise. I leapt from that game to Hades 1, & I made such conclusions then.
rustic vale
Enter the Gungeon doesn't have a problem with visual noise. I leapt from that ga...
I’ve played a number of them and RoR2 and Atomicrops and even Soul Knight can at times
Enter the Gungeon definitely keeps it clean
rotund tangle
How did it take me 11 times using Chiron to realize that its effect stays on for a few seconds and doesn't expire after using the special once 😭
Still only barely beat 22 heat with it after realizing that
I am just that bad at aiming
rustic vale
How did it take me 11 times using Chiron to realize that its effect stays on for...
You can fit 3 in and 4 with any ratity of swift flourish
and dang
chiron is like the one, singular aspect to make swift flourish a viable pick
Funny enough epic+ swift lourish is fast enough to chain concentrated volley
Across multiple volleys
steep umbra
Oh wow, just went back to Hades 1 after playing 2, and I didn't think I would have such a hard time adjusting back to Zagreus. Really miss Mel's cast and ability to run after dashing. Funny too, I initially hated losing the extra dashes when I started 2
open kite
hey so, i need help from you guys. i recently bought hades, and now started playing it for a few minutes. artstyle was great, but the whole gameplay is pretty much this :
1 Go near enemy
2 Spam attack button near enemy
3 Dodge if necessary
4 Repeat
That feels pretty borring for me, and im thinking of getting a refund. Do you guys think that I will regret this decision, and that I'm judging too soon? This also happened with hollow knight btw and its now on my top 3 games. please advise me on this
rustic vale
hey so, i need help from you guys. i recently bought hades, and now started play...
This seems to be missing an awful lot of dash-striking
and specialling for the weapons that have a solid one
open kite
This seems to be missing an awful lot of dash-striking
ig that too but i mainly normal attack
but it seemed quite boring rn and i didnt expect that
rustic vale
dash-striking is going to keep your combat my dynamic and just be stronger but
open kite
im pretty mixed wehn it comes to hack and lash games i think
rustic vale
Like most roguelites/roguelikes yeah
open kite
dang thats a shame
bcs like
cult of the lamb
similar gameplay
i love that game
idk whats different now, maybe the style of the gameplay ig?
open kite
dang so i think imma just end up refunding it
which is a shame bcs it seemed so interesting
rustic vale
I can send a few clips from my other weapons if you’re interested
I don’t take them too often but
open kite
go for it
rustic vale
rustic vale
mmm
open kite
yeah is pretty similar to cotl but it just feels kinda not similar ig
rustic vale
open kite
idrk maybe I truly dont like this gamestyle as much
rustic vale
It happens
open kite
wait
its jut that
hades reminds me of games like this
uh i cant send it here ill send it dm
maybe u send it so other ppl can see and help me as well
rustic vale
open kite
i could give it an hour or sth ig but idrk if im up for that
rustic vale
maybe u send it so other ppl can see and help me as well
You can send stuff too it just needs to be imbedded image links
open kite
to see its true colors
but i probably wont really do it
aaand i still havent found a game that i actually enjoy playing besides roblox
thx for the help tho
yeah 💔 ikr
maybe someone else can somehow change my view or advise me on something else?
once again thank you shackle for the help and conversation
frozen lion
hey so, i need help from you guys. i recently bought hades, and now started play...
This is true for when you're starting out, but later on, there will be difficulty mechanics that will put you in for a heck of a time if you can't do damage fast. At that point, you'll have to mix up your attack strategy, building dashes and specials up with boons to maximize damage and application.
And, depending on how you ||enable heat on the Pact of Punishment|| later on, you could have one run where you need fast weak hits to get rid of an overshield on enemies before doing your big damage, or one run where you can barely take any hits due to nerfed healing items, or one run where you have to adapt around random trash boons
You are not going to just be spamming attack
vague wing
It's a real shame I was finally disillusioned Hades' "I thought Achilles told you to be quick!" voiceline isn't contextually significant.
vague wing
I wish there was a Strength vs Death upgrade in the Mirror of Night as to compliment Guan Yu.
frozen lion
Guan Yu doesn't need it
drifting osprey
Hey fellas noob here, im quite familiar with hades moveset now(kinda xd) so i heard u can stay beside him when he does the 360 laser attack
tried it twice lost 2 defiancies
can anyone tell me the timing or something?
i managed to rekt him with this insanely broken shield build tho 😄
cunning niche
Hey fellas noob here, im quite familiar with hades moveset now(kinda xd) so i he...
just stay right next to him
if you ahve extreme measures 4 on it doesnt work
mint coral
Hey fellas noob here, im quite familiar with hades moveset now(kinda xd) so i he...
Is a small space around him
Dashes will put you into the lasers, casts can push back into lasers too
drifting osprey
if you ahve extreme measures 4 on it doesnt work
noted fella, thanks
mint coral
dashes were the problem
You can dash to reach the safe spot but don't dash once the attack is going off
Basically just go give your dad a hug
vague wing
Guan Yu doesn't need it
Yeah, I've been having success with it. I almost lost a Death Defiance versus Megara before I realized the self-
is tied to 
attack. I sure as hell am lucky as to have equipped the faster Attack channel speed Daedalus upgrade.
vague wing
"Quick Spin", was it called?
mint coral
Referring to the charged attack with the h2 terms was funny/is a bit confusing here lol
drifting osprey
this gun weapon is so weird 😄
but i love it
this game gives me the kinda dopamine rush diablo did back in the day
rustic vale
"Quick Spin", was it called?
Yes
vague wing
this gun weapon is so weird 😄
The lore of the Adamant Rail is pretty cool too. First wielded Hestia, goddess of the hearth, she, along with her sisters & foster-brothers slain the titans. Apparently, it was a sniper rifle for her. After the war, the gods hope to seal it to the depths of Tatarus that we mortals may never rediscover its destructive technology, however futile that may be.
A pretty cool explanation as to why she...
I just got the joke.
Hestia is a camper.
drifting osprey
mint coral
Achilles reaction to the rail is also funny
"I fear the days humans get a glimpse of this"
vague wing
"I fear the days humans get a glimpse of this"
I find it less funny & more cool. Supergiant rather sublimely fit guns into the world of Greek myth!
frozen lion
Hestia is a camper.
WAIT
LMFAOOOOOOO
magic iris
how rare is finding two athena/aphrodite boons on a shop with an aphrodite boon?
frozen lion
Depends on whether you already have boons from 4 non-Hermes/Chaos gods
And what else you've already collected in the run
high onyx
finally got thorn of thanatos (on achilles spear) n harsh conditions done, just have 9 cheevos left
got thorn by the skin of my teeth, had to take extra styx chambers for the last four percent, but it was worth it
open kite
This is true for when you're starting out, but later on, there will be difficult...
well yeah but idk if im currently up to sit through that starting boring gameplay atm at least and a refund seems like the more likeable to me choice atm
frozen lion
well yeah but idk if im currently up to sit through that starting boring gamepla...
You're going to refund a lot of good games if you find the need to skip the part that teaches you the basic mechanics.
frozen lion
You desire immediately interesting gameplay but lose interest in a game before it even has time to introduce complexity.
lavish sorrel
hey so, i need help from you guys. i recently bought hades, and now started play...
Hi. As opposed to what has been said, there is a lot of complexity and optimization to be found at every stage of the game.
It is sometimes jokingly said that Hades is a rhythm game. Indeed, most weapons have an optimal damage-cycle that takes a while to learn, and often could be reasonably used as the basic-rhythm for a piece of music. If you think Hades gameplay can be reduced to "pressing attack to win and dashing sometimes", you are so very clueless that you have no idea how clueless you are (the "Dunning-Kruger Effect", look it up).
Run 1, despite following arguably the "simplest" rules (so as to not overwhelm the player with mechanics), beating the game on it is considered to be one of the harder challenges one can do consistently in the whole game with enough skill (only 154 people have successfully gotten a Fresh File run1 clear, according to data I have been collecting over the years. Only around 30 of them can do it very consistently). If you ever are to become too good at run 1, some players are good enough to beat 10 runs in a row on that save file without unlocking anything ("Low%" AKA "FFTC No Unlocks"), or beat run 1 as consistently as they can (Fresh File winstreak). Both of these change the decisionmaking a fair amount, often favoring consistent strategies over those with the "greedy best-case outcome gambling" route. There is complexity to be found right from the start of the game for those looking for it, your argument of "the game is too simple and boring to start" is therefore complete and utter bogus.
There are maxxed-out save files out there (that allow people who cannot be bothered grinding out a save file first to run the game nonetheless). After beating the game (or immediately, if playing on hellmode), the game introduces the "heat"-system, which lets you make your runs as difficult as you want them to be. You may have heard of "64 heat" - the hardest difficulty on hellmode - being beaten multiple years ago and this making headlines in some news outlets.
Hitless/Damageless is another somewhat relevant one. Like Fresh File and high heat, this category rewards using your brain when it comes to avoiding enemy patterns.
Alternatively, if you are no fan of dying repeatedly to enemies and the environment, perhaps you'd enjoy speedrunning instead.
As someone who has done a large amount of all of these: the above are simple on the surface, but require in-depth knowledge of the game's mechanics, a brain, and a more or less high execution-requirement. I can direct you to resources to help you get into any of these, if any of them stand out to you.
So, to recap: There is a lot of stuff one can do in Hades. It's just about how much time you want to put into learning how it works.
lavish sorrel
To be clear, I'm not trying to claim Hades is a perfect game, especially when pushed to its limits: there are several bugs (one of them game-breaking), multiple unfair mechanics stemming from design flaws, inaccurate hitboxes, a lot of RNG the player can neither control nor play around, and much much more. However, despite these problems, it is a game with a rich story (better than 2nd game in that regard tbh), great music, and a game which has one of the highest skill- and knowledge-ceilings I have ever seen. I have been playing for over 4 years now and I am still sometimes learning of various edge-cases and ways to improve my play.
I'm also not saying Hades is for everyone. Some people may not enjoy the idea of losing part of their progress whenever they lose and be frustrated by that, and I can get behind that. What I can not understand is people deciding to not give the game a chance in the first place. The game uses death as a metaphor for failure and oppression, and if you don't like that (just want to experience the story), then there is a setting to make the game less punishing which one may enable, called "god mode".
drifting osprey
Guys, is darker thirst worth it? or save up for erebus gates?
lavish sorrel
Guys, is darker thirst worth it? or save up for erebus gates?
erebus gates are generally only entered and done once for the achievement, niche situations and high heat aside. all in all, you're probably better off farming resources with the better dark thirst.
drifting osprey
aight fella
answer is much appreciated
how did you guess im an achievement hunter 😄
balmy quail
Got close to beating hades again
open kite
You're going to refund a lot of good games if you find the need to skip the part...
well yeah but idk
open kite
Hi. As opposed to what has been said, there is a lot of complexity and optimizat...
all of this is very interesting and you are right on some parts. idk what u mean by run 1 but anyway i refunded bcs im gonna buy a console maybe idk man
frozen lion
all of this is very interesting and you are right on some parts. idk what u mean...
Run 1 = first run on a fresh save file. So no mirror upgrades, no keepsakes, no nothin
lavish sorrel
I am so being ragebaited, tfym "some" parts.
grand nexus
frozen lion
"Are you aware that you are arguing with one of the world's foremost experts on the matter?"
"idk"
fervent radish
all of this is very interesting and you are right on some parts. idk what u mean...
Incredible
walk in
misinformation
walk out
rustic vale
https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-meme-read-reads-reading-gif-83069727603665314...
To be fair
Alex is the paragraph guy™
wise geyser
That is fair
However i am not capable of reading so many paragraphs and understand what i m reading
I m dumb
But respect to the guy, it seems to be written with great detail and care
fervent radish
Average modern attention span
wise geyser
Average modern attention span
I think my attention span is fine
I just cannot read that well when i can barely keep my eyes open
But yeah, you aren t exactly wrong either
vast raven
the test is if you need subway surfers/slime cutting/minecraft parkour/hydraulic press videos on the side
wise geyser
Nah
I despise those actually
I want my videos or in this case text clean
No cutts in the middle of the screen showing satisfying videos
Okay okay
I need to prove this to myself
I l read that entire thing
Wish me good luck
wise geyser
I am **so** being ragebaited, tfym "some" parts.
This is a moment when i cried ngl
The man put so much sheer effort and good will to sell the game, in a fair and well thought out way only for it to not even matter
Some parts btw
Says the guy who played like 2 minutes of a game and refunded it
Danni kruger effect the human being
Okay i am being mean
Tragic
But eyy I read this wall, yupie
rustic vale
Says the guy who played like 2 minutes of a game and refunded it
who played it for however long and came to the conclusion that it was a vampire survivor style game is what kills me so hard
wise geyser
who played it for however long and came to the conclusion that it was a vampire ...
Wait wha?
I didn t find that out
rustic vale
That was like the original messages from yesterday
wise geyser
I only read the "i got into the game and its just leftclick simulator part"
rustic vale
hades reminds me of games like this
.
I sent the image they dm’ed me because it was just faster than explaining embedded images
wise geyser
Ohh yeah so i did see that i just didn t unserstand without the context
Thanks mr good samaritan
Well
The more i read of what this guy said the less I can understand ngl
Like none of his behavior makes sense to me
Its either an experiment to judge . .something
lavish sorrel
a roblox player, I'm not surprised
wise geyser
Or i donno
wise geyser
a roblox player, I'm not surprised
He did say he loved hollow knight
But yeah that solves it
I'm more just, confounded on how he got into hollow knight with this mindset
Anyway, recent "drama?" Checked
Now i can lay to rest in peace
rustic vale
The venn diagram of Hollow Knight and Hades is rlly weird
jovial flicker
The venn diagram of Hollow Knight and Hades is rlly weird
Wdym
rustic vale
as someone who loves Hades but could never ever get into Jollow Knight I’ve seen a lot of ppl here noticing other people from hollow knight discord servers
Specifically and more than any other sort
lavish sorrel
wise geyser
Two popular indie game communities with 2 d and high quality artstyle ig does it?
jovial flicker
Oh hey you're in hollow knight server
wise geyser
I honestly donno either
How i see it, its just that the indie games communites, are very likely to try out other indie games and sooner or later they try out hades
Or other big indie hits
Sr for inhuman wording
I l correct it
rustic vale
I guess
wise geyser
And its just all a big circle of fans of one of the big indie games trying the others
rustic vale
I wonder how the atomicrops scene is nowadays speaking of indiegames
old bluff
ive played some hollow kinght in my day
wise geyser
Untill you either fall to the dark side of playing INDIE games no one heard about, or you simply play all of them and then move on
jovial flicker
ive played some hollow kinght in my day
Play more imo
wise geyser
I wonder how the atomicrops scene is nowadays speaking of indiegames
I have never heard of this tittle
Looks sick
My singing monsters but it values my time? (This compereson is trash ik)
rustic vale
roguelite with farming 
exploration and honestly my favourite part is just like the absolutely peak upgrade combosyou can get and how
wise geyser
Sounds like fun
rustic vale
There is actual skill expression with your ability to rta farm and defend your crops because you need to make a decent profit to buy better guns and stuff at the end of each month but at the same tume you are getting bullet helled
wise geyser
There is actual skill expression with your ability to rta farm and defend your c...
That does sound interesting
I am currently flat broke
But i l wishlist it sure
I do have a question
Can i make the game harder for myself
Or is it naturally pretty hard
Or is it more chill in its aproach
wise geyser
thats enough for me lol
I still haven t
Its been 5 years
Maybe i should. .
Good job btw
vast raven
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1466956030251368536...
easiest second wave pick of my life
open kite
a roblox player, I'm not surprised
open kite
>walk in
>misinformation
>walk out
wdym bro
open kite
"Are you aware that you are arguing with one of the world's foremost experts on ...
well yeah but idrk man ig its not for me and i truly dont like roguelikes or sth maybe its the artstyle cuz i loved cotl
open kite
I am **so** being ragebaited, tfym "some" parts.
no you're not twin
open kite
Danni kruger effect the human being
open kite
The man put so much sheer effort and good will to sell the game, in a fair and w...
well yeah i agree but im not rlly up for it ngl bcs the only thing i have will to play is hollow knignt and my save file got corupted
open kite
I'm more just, confounded on how he got into hollow knight with this mindset
i just pushed through. now im not really up to pushing through again bcs ive already played something similar as well (cult of the lamb)
open kite
Anyway, recent "drama?" Checked
not rlly drama
merry ridge
What is the chance to get a duo boon? I can only find things about increasing the chance
wise geyser
What is the chance to get a duo boon? I can only find things about increasing th...
I donno
i just say 50%
You either get it or not
rustic vale
What is the chance to get a duo boon? I can only find things about increasing th...
12% per option (that aren’t hijacked by priority slots) on regular rewards and 10% per option for miniboss tier rewards
After figuring out priority boon slots (if any are required) the game rolls the check for the remaining slots, and if one is rolled, chooses from any duo/legendary boons that the god can offer (and that you meet the requirements for)
wise geyser
And how do priority slots work
I am 130 hours in
And i am just learning this
Good samaritan shackle
Explains it to the dumb dumb hamster
rustic vale
If any of your cores are unfilled (strike/special/cast/dash), the game reserved the first option rolled to either be a core you don’t have filled yet, or an exchange 10% of the time
If you haven’t take a god(ddess)’s status curse boon (only artemis,zeus,poseidon, athena), the game has a 50% chance to force an option to be that boon (ie. jolted for zeus)
this only applies for the first roll and not subsequent rerolls
So if you’re trying to maximise your duo odds you want to fill your cores and take the status curse boons from the gods who have them
wise geyser
If any of your cores are unfilled (strike/special/cast/dash), the game reserved ...
Wait it doesn t count dionisis within the curse boon group?
Ohh that kind of explains it
rustic vale
the status curse boons are only the secondaries that make all the abilities of that god apply a new status
like how Static Discharge makes all your lightning apply the Jolted status effect
rustic vale
these are the gods that don’t have a default status curse
wise geyser
I thought it was anything that applies a status
rustic vale
Mb i misunderstood
This is a very common reclarification I need to make tbh
like
dw
wise geyser
So if you’re trying to maximise your duo odds you want to fill your cores and ta...
Well i ussualy do none of that
Honestly i m surprised i still get duo boons consistently
I just get 1 or two, maybe 3 boons i need and max them out using palmegrams, while looking for duo boons
But that does mean i have basically 1? Less slot while rolling for duo boons, since its almost always taken by priority
rustic vale
that’s an interesting way to spell pomegranates
wise geyser
I have never spelled that oka?
rustic vale
But that does mean i have basically 1? Less slot while rolling for duo boons, si...
yeah it’s like only a reduction from like a 32% chance to get atleast one duo/legendary to roughly 22%
merry ridge
12% per option (that aren’t hijacked by priority slots) on regular rewards and 1...
So like 25%
wise geyser
I counted for, if it was for the entire 3 slots
But that just makes my odds 42% which is not bad
rustic vale
So like 25%
It’s like 32% for at least one in ideal conditions
rustic vale
But that just makes my odds 42% which is not bad
that’s not how the math works
merry ridge
Alr ty
rustic vale
a +10% chance per option translates to bringing it from like 32% chance for at least one duo legendary -> 52%
since to figure out your odds of rolling at least one duo/legendary, you can just subtract the odds of rolling 0 duo/legendaries from 100%
rustic vale
a +10% chance per option translates to bringing it from like 32% chance for at l...
which yarn of ariadne and refreshing nectar do this btw you don’t just need god’s legacy for these odds
merry ridge
Is it worth it to try to get merciful end fist build or should i just do zeus
rustic vale
Merciful End is typically the strongest build for fists 😁 it’s just more gambly
are you trying for speed rn?
I think it’s worth it just to see the strength tbh
merry ridge
Yeah thats what I mean is it worth it to grind to get it 10% of the time or should i just do zeus
rustic vale
a +10% chance per option translates to bringing it from like 32% chance for at l...
this looks more like a
1 - (odds of not getting a duo on an option)^(options rolled)
wise geyser
which yarn of ariadne and refreshing nectar do this btw you don’t just need god’...
They dont stack do they?
rustic vale
Yeah thats what I mean is it worth it to grind to get it 10% of the time or shou...
You get ME more like 50% of the time
merry ridge
Not in my experience
rustic vale
They dont stack do they?
The epic and duo/legendary chance do
wise geyser
Like legacy and nectar etc
merry ridge
Although that's probably due to me not having the right mirror
rustic vale
Not in my experience
If you’re sorta using what I told you about how duos are rolled to your advantage then yeah
wise geyser
The epic and duo/legendary chance do
Ojh
rustic vale
without having to really spend any rerolls
wise geyser
Thas good to know
rustic vale
I do this a lot since I speedrun all the aspects a fair amount
rustic vale
this looks more like a
1 - (odds of not getting a duo on an option)^(options ro...
realisitically if you’re trying to use this it’s going to be
1 - (1-duo/legendary chance) ^ 2 or 3
rustic vale
Although that's probably due to me not having the right mirror
Mmm
You don’t need the duo chance side of the mirror for good duo odds
good decision making supplements it a lot
it’s supoptimal for speedrunning to use the duo/legendary chance mirror upgrade because you’re going to hit the duo anyways on a good run, but that epic chance is going to make your good run even even stronger so my viewpoint is coming from one with relatively worsened duo odds than you could have for a competent merciful end build that just grabs all the pieces and uses god’s legacy to help it guarantee ME
run god’s legacy if you can, make sure you’re grabbing both divine flourish to open the duo and divine dash to abuse it
not just divine dash
some people try to do ME with just divine dash and then come in frustrated about not getting it when they could never have found it in the first place 
merry ridge
I'm not doing speedrunning I was just thinking I was unlucky compared to what i've seen
merry ridge
some people try to do ME with just divine dash and then come in frustrated about...
that makes sense
rustic vale
I'm not doing speedrunning I was just thinking I was unlucky compared to what i'...
I know I’m just saying I do, and I don’t run my mirror to try to hit the duo more often and still hit it consistently enough based on the strategy used in run, so I think if you use the same theory
you should be able to hit more often than you have been 👍
and if you retool your mirror for it it’ll happen all the more consistently
Good decision making in Hades tends to really complement and compensate for luck
magic iris
I hit credits on escape 45
little lark
Thoughts on Poseidon form?
mint coral
Best sword for when you don't like playing sword
little lark
Lmao
So, using it as a normal sword basically makes it redundant?
It feels kinda crappy with Stygian Soul
Since you don't get the benefit of getting all your Casts back on Q
And like
You kinda want those stacks since, if you're playing Stygian Soul, you're not in it for the casts specifically
mint coral
So, using it as a normal sword basically makes it redundant?
Yeah most of your dmg will be casts
You can use the dash strikes here and there to finish off enemies
mint coral
It feels kinda crappy with Stygian Soul
Most cast builds prefer infernal soul too
little lark
Yeah
Thought so
I was just wondering
I will say
Do Cast builds have a prefered Boon?
I've been liking Artemis' Cast a lot
mint coral
Do Cast builds have a prefered Boon?
Is kinda
Pick cast > go for duos/stuff that can help it
For arty cast is mostly mirage shot/+cast dmg% due to its lower base dmg
rotund tangle
Cast builds also like Demeter as a supplementary god if you don't need another duo for stuff like Snow Burst and Ravenous Will
Well at least for Beowulf and Hera
little lark
Interesting
rugged granite
I just won a run and Zagreus just
Died slipping on a banana peel 😭
little lark
Oh yeah
I had one where he tried to pet a bear
He literally went "If not friend, why friend-shaped?"
rugged granite
He literally went "If not friend, why friend-shaped?"
I just got that one on the next run lol
I also got my best time yet at 14:54.53
the twin fists are a beast
cinder raft
yo guys, so i got hades 2 3 weeks ago, i had never played 1. I was hooked straight away, no lifed it kinda. I've finished the game, got all the achieves and done 24 fear runs with every weapon. i know thats nothing compared to most people, but i had a question regarding hades 1.
i saw on quite a few posts on reddit people saying dont play 2 till you have played 1, but now 2 is getting a little stale, i wanted to grab the first game. Is it hard to go back to?
because thats what the reddit consensus was so i just wanted to check
vast raven
h1 plays fundamentally differently from h2, i quiet honestly after playing both to a similar extent find h2 better (gameplay wise), however h1 is still incredible for its story and low level(?) gameplay for a casual audience without going into the really upper echelons on h1 gameplay
cinder raft
okay, thats good enough for me. Definitely worth grabbing then just sounds like progressing to high fear is not as fun
lavish sorrel
yo guys, so i got hades 2 3 weeks ago, i had never played 1. I was hooked straig...
nothing compared to most people
mandatory "only 7.4% of people who have opened hades 1 have beaten 16 heat or higher"
wise token
aaaaaaaaa
just lost a run with an epic aphrodite's aid
frustrating that the game's best boon is so rare
mint coral
You know the rarity doesn't affect the dmg right
And might be wrong but I don't remember the rarity scaling for the charm being that good either
1 sec difference from common
wise geyser
> nothing compared to most people
mandatory "only 7.4% of people who have opene...
that is an interesting statistic
jovial flicker
frustrating that the game's best boon is so rare
idt aphros aid is the best boon
its not even a super good aid
wise token
You know the rarity doesn't affect the dmg right
found out too late
wise token
its not even a super good aid
free 2500 dmg
wise token
yeah
jovial flicker
id much rather have zeus or dio which can rack up that much dmg and be useful on normal rooms
wise token
but 2500 dmg
jovial flicker
im pretty sure 5 mini zeus calls can get 2500 dmg lol
wise token
damn
old bluff
im pretty sure 5 mini zeus calls can get 2500 dmg lol
it gets like 4k without poms for that many
jovial flicker
it does 50 per strike at common right
mint coral
but 2500 dmg
Yeah the main issue of aphro call is by the time you get 1 use you have already used 4 lesser calls give or take (can't charge call while in use and all that)
There's also stuff like billowing strength and second wind
Smoldering air making calls way too spammable
The ability to use calls for iframes
No risk of whiffing and taking forever for another shot or accidentally hit the hp caps on bosses
little lark
Artemis' call can sometimes betray you by targeting some random ahh enemy you didn't intend to target
That's happened to me so many times during the Hades fight
It's torture
rustic vale
but 2500 dmg
4 common dio minicalls is as much damage (2400 vs 2500) but the dio minicalls
- hit as an aoe so they can do as much damage to multiple enemies and not just one
- the leftover hangover stacks recharge the call very fast after the 1 second of cooldown before you can start gaining call charge again
- let you use your minicall for much more consistent damage over a boss fight, and in more discrete amounts of call gauge, where you can only fire off 1 mega call with 100% charge, you could fire off 6 minicalls with 150% and still one 1 mega call with 150%
- it’s less wasteful of your damage if you’re near a break point, since with aphro full call you either have to wait till the next hp chunk, and loss the extra damage you deal and take as god gauge, or you deal damage now and lose out on a good fraction of if since there was only 1200 left in this break point, vs a minicall where you still have room to get more gauge and that god gauge is being wasted even less if you use it there
wise token
damn
rustic vale
And aphro call isn’t even that decent defensively compared to a regular defensive call because charm is annoying and can run out at the worst of times
old bluff
also, dio calls gets buffed from normal additive (such as hc and ff), while aphro call does not
iirc
latent moon
i think that's right yeah
also you can actually pom dio call for damage lmao i dont think you can increase aphro call damage
a singular pom on dio call does a lot
drifting osprey
I put 40 hours in this game since last wednesday and idk how heroin feels like but this feels close to it
Grinding the epilogue and romances with no such luck in terms of dialogues xd
Especially frickin poseidon
little lark
Poseidon call my goat
Deals insane damage AND makes you immune to damage
It's longer than other calls too
rustic vale
He dont wanna gimme his locked heart
Have you met the requirements for his favour?
rustic vale
a singular pom on dio call does a lot
Single dio pom ≈ 50% damage increase
🗿
15 (common) -> 23
tropic marten
drifting osprey
Have you met the requirements for his favour?
Of course fella wouldnt be complaining otherwise😞
torn wharf
I unlocked Poseidon as practically the first locked heart without having any idea what the condition was.
autumn jewel
Of course fella wouldnt be complaining otherwise😞
catch a fish and don't cash it out with the chef
and get poseidon boons until he spits out the dialogue
drifting osprey
Wait no fkin way
I thought i have to find him the same run i catch a fish
Before i accept a boon from him
I cashed out all of the fih
real elm
knotty hemlock
mint coral
If you had any yarn for ariadne or refreshing nectar with yoy I'd take hermes
Also depends on weapon and current biome
sly bobcat
little lark
I usually pick Boons over Hammer unless I have a specific build I'm going for
Since there's that one Mirror buff that gives you +2.5% per Boon you have
Couple that with more damage modifiers
And you can snowball pretty early
frozen lion
Privileged status snowballs quicker though. One attack with weak and one attack with doom and now you've got +40% DPS
And now you can get hammers without missing out
little lark
That's fair
Though I usually just do Stygian Soul + Boiling Blood to offset any damage I could be missing out on
frozen lion
Why not both?
little lark
That's fair
Though admittedly I usually get Boons that don't have debuffs on them
So that's probably why I don't see much use with Privileged Status
frozen lion
Those debuffs are gateways to enormous DPS increases. Don't underestimate them XD
little lark
I'm aware
But Artemis' Boons are so good
Those crits are mad
And Athena's Boons are so good at keeping you alive
Then you have Poseidon's Boons which annoy me cause they push enemies out of my effective range
They're fine if I'm using ranged weapons Ig
frozen lion
Both of those have debuffs eventually that count towards priveleged status (marked and exposed)
little lark
Or if I'm shoving enemies into walls constantly
frozen lion
Poseidon wall slam is awesome
little lark
Both of those have debuffs eventually that count towards priveleged status (mark...
Which I usually never get lmao
rustic vale
Since there's that one Mirror buff that gives you +2.5% per Boon you have
This is per god you have boons from
little lark
Oh it's not per boon?
rustic vale
and only for olympian gods so it caps out at 25% (4 regular + hermes)
little lark
I've been LIED TO
rustic vale
It still far outstrips priv status
little lark
Outstrips?
rustic vale
does a better job over the course of your run
little lark
Ig it's a matter of playstyle?
Cause yeah, I don't get a lot of use from Privileged Status personally
frozen lion
Ig it's a matter of playstyle?
Up until high heat or speedruns probably
little lark
Since I can never get more than one debuff on my bosses
rustic vale
it’s a matter of building usually and for most builds those first 2 hits are most impactful anyways
little lark
Especially with how some debuffs have such short windows
little lark
it’s a matter of building usually and for most builds those first 2 hits are mos...
Consistency is nice though
rustic vale
FF is consistency
little lark
Having decent sustain is nice to have
What does Family Favor do again?
I completely forgot
rustic vale
Especially with how some debuffs have such short windows
The other thing is to inflict multiple debuffs you have to either gamble on hitting some gods secondary curnse status boon and it being the one you want to take out of the boons available… or in like every other circumstance there isn’t a great way to inflict two status curses ngl
little lark
So it basically encourages you to collect every Boon like Pokemon?
rustic vale
No?
You’re still going to be capped at 4 regular gods unless you force them all with keepsakes
little lark
The other thing is to inflict multiple debuffs you have to either gamble on hitt...
Yeahhh, I've mentioned before how like, some debuffs have really short windows
That's the main issue I think
rustic vale
That 25% on everything conditionless is strong enough
little lark
Yeah
Most of my Mirror is just green lmao
Then I have Boiling Blood
I've beaten the game with both all purple and all green modifiers
And honestly, I prefer the damage bonus a lot more than the slow + damage reduction
Even if the damage reduction is fun to use
Since you can pair it with like, Arthur form + Achilles Brace or whatever it's called
And just face tank
rustic vale
abyssal blood lowkey sucks so that’s completely understandable
little lark
It's fun to use though
I like facetanking stuff
Why yes I am a Shield main
How could you tell?
rustic vale
idk shield mains vary wildly because some just like the block and some are beo-mains for speed
little lark
I'm somewhere in between I suppose
I like both
The mobility is fun
And the block sound makes my brain produce dopamine
And the Beo crushing noise is like ear candy
Also the shields lets me facetank Hades' sweep attack
Which is the move I struggle with the most
Since I can never iframe dodge it with my dashes
I can never get the timings right
Though I only have 160 hours
So I probably just need more practice
rustic vale
highkey
rotund tangle
Since I can never iframe dodge it with my dashes
Yeah I finished with 150 hours and never learned to dodge through them lol that's why my only "high" heat runs were on Beowulf and Hestia
rustic vale
as someone wjth 600 hours I just never learned the timing I just get out of the way early
rotund tangle
With Beowulf I can just block and with Hestia I can just dash away instead of through
rustic vale
there’s usually not a huge reason to iframe it when you can get out of the area in time with 2 dashes for the most part
little lark
there’s usually not a huge reason to iframe it when you can get out of the area ...
That's the thing
rotund tangle
I tried Fists with FO2 once and never did it again because I would actually have to learn to do the dodge through thing
rotund tangle
Ruthless Reflex
little lark
Yeah
rustic vale
Ruthless Reflex
little lark
I'm a Ruthless Reflex enjoyer
rustic vale
I tried Fists with FO2 once and never did it again because I would actually have...
I haven’t had FO2 off in like 500 runs
rustic vale
I'm a Ruthless Reflex enjoyer
little lark
Mainly because I wanted to prove to myself that I can beat the game using actual muscle memory instead of mindless dash spamming
And it has worked
rotund tangle
I had FO2 on since like 8 Heat on Shield so like 40 runs and only like 10 runs on Bow and 5 runs on Rail, 0 on the rest
little lark
Though, my highest heat is 8 still lmao
rotund tangle
Mainly because I wanted to prove to myself that I can beat the game using actual...
Well tbf it'll probably help you in H2
I had to unlearn dash spam when I bought H2 the other day
little lark
I have yet to get H2
Both Hades games are like crack
The moment you invest in them
It's hard to pull yourself away
rustic vale
I learned it for high heat first so it’s been only my 32 pacts for 17 aspects I’ve done 32 with and then my 40 heat pacts and it’s optimal for speedrunning so I’ve kept it on for all of that
little lark
My Pacts are mostly like
Just the boss buffs
And damage increase modifiers
I have yet to touch the other stuff
I like the new boss stuff
Makes fights more interesting
rustic vale
I really appreciatr the em2 lernie fight but em3 asterius is super annoying so I try to avoid it even for 40 hwat
Em3 asterius just says “you don’t get to play anymore” when he starts beyblading
rotund tangle
Yeah in the runs I did for fun/leveling up keepsakes I usually had until EM2 on cause EM3 is just kinda tedious
little lark
I really appreciatr the em2 lernie fight but em3 asterius is super annoying so I...
Yeahhh
Asterius is so beefed up
rustic vale
Let spend half the fight just moving to the next lernie head
little lark
I can never dodge his ram on EM2
I've had to rely on careful pillar positioning, my shield, or Athena's dash
Theseus being Theseus doesn't help with the first strat though
It's hard to position against the pillars when this egotistical megalomanic with machine guns keeps trying to obliterate your forehead with bombs
little lark
The non-em2 lernie arena is just unplayable imo
So true
I've learned to tolerate it
And have gotten pretty consistent with it
But man is it a test of endurance
It's what taught me that dash spamming is bad
Since I can't just dash spam
Cause lava
And cooldowns
I will say
It's taught me to be a lot more careful with my footing
Which is nice since traps are my worst enemy
rustic vale
It's what taught me that dash spamming is bad
“Best dps strategy for most weapons is bad”
mindless dash spamming is bad
but having two dashes isn’t inherently mindless
lavish sorrel
sacred hull
If I complete the codex and all the prophecies does that mean I have 100% the game?
frozen lion
Did you reach the end of the story and get all Steam achievements?
That being said, the thing with Hades is that it's designed to be replayed. You could do things like go for higher heats or different weapons
rustic vale
If I complete the codex and all the prophecies does that mean I have 100% the ga...
In the most classic sense? You’d still be missing the resource director ranks
formal slate
In the most classic sense? You’d still be missing the resource director ranks
I wish at that point in the game, the limited buy of 500 darkness for 1 ambrosia was permanent. That way as you grind over 300K more darkness every resource you acquire is worth something as you could trade up at a very cost unfriendly rate, but at least it's something. Feels bad gaining all these other resources, some that were rare, and them being useless. Would be a great way to keep some more dopamine flowing our way as we keep acquiring gems, keys, nectar, diamonds, titansteel and ambrosia and feel better knowing it can still be used for something very late end game.
formal slate
It's wishful thinking to hope for a change like that in H1 at this point.
lavish sorrel
It's wishful thinking to hope for a change in H1 at this point.
tacit ember
Atleast the Devs made a good game and let it be (unlike terraria Devs)
Also I thought y'all would like to know that I am indeed having a lot of fun fencing
little lark
but having two dashes isn’t inherently mindless
Obviously
I'm still using Ruthless Reflex though
I won't lie
That dodge bonus has saved me more times than I'd like to admit
I will say
That double dash is so embedded into my muscle memory
That I subconsciously try to do it even though I've played with Ruthless Reflex for a good while now
jovial flicker
That dodge bonus has saved me more times than I'd like to admit
If you had the second dash you probably wouldn't have needed to dodge
little lark
If you had the second dash you probably wouldn't have needed to dodge
That's true
But I've mentioned before that like
I have it on to prove to myself I can learn muscle memory instead of dash spamming
It has helped
And besides
There's a Hermes buff that lets me have an extra dash anyway
Though, that extra dash is nice though
rustic vale
Though, that extra dash is nice though
Fact checked: true by real underworld patriots
There’s a reason it’s one of his top boons next to hyper sprint and rush delivery
little lark
I love Hyper Sprint
It just cheeses a lot of attacks
My only issue with it is that sometimes it can make you run into traps or other hazards
And because of the movement speed, it can feel hard to maneuver
rustic vale
Oh right I can't upload images here
Use embedded image links to do it
rustic vale
yea
rustic vale
You’re the first person to actually guess something not super out of left field ngl
little lark
It looks silly
rustic vale
I had a set of sunglasses over the camera
rustic vale
I don’t particularly know anyone who does?
It kind of just isn’t eris or hestia if that’s what you mean
you have a stronger option for what you’re trying to do in Eris and the only niche zag rail really has is spreadfire
But spreadfire zag rail is fun
rustic vale
3x as many reloads 
little lark
Would you guys say H1 is balanced?
vast raven
for a casual audience ye, for competitive play not really
rustic vale
there are speed aspects and heat aspects that work wonders better in their roles
little lark
Like
rustic vale
And those aspects have builds that work far better than others but
little lark
Are all the weapons viable?
rustic vale
For 99% of game content yes
for high level speedrunning and high heat? No
But you can get like sub7 times with every weapon and I want to say sub6 with every weapon but I don’t know that off the top of my head
and each aspect can clear up to 50 heat which is far beyond where the average gamer ever touches
They definitely don’t all handle 50 heat the same but they can all get there
You can do all the game content with whatever aspect and really whatever build you want, including the 32 heat skelly statue
little lark
I'm happy that the speedrunning community has the OWO category
So basically, if you enjoy a weapon
You can still participate in a category even if it isn't the most optimal
I'd speedrun the game but I'm still not good at it
rustic vale
You can still participate in a category even if it isn't the most optimal
To be honest
Unless you’re at a very high level
everyone speedruns most aspects
there’s aspect of the week for the speedrunning server
where a lot of people run that aspect for their prefered category (anyheat or high heat)
rustic vale
The optimal speedrun pact is 9, true
rustic vale
1 heat better
vast raven
The optimal speedrun pact is 9, true
not for owo
rustic vale
then you’re good to go fr fr
little lark
not for owo
Heh, owo
rustic vale
ok but RTA isn’t a real category
little lark
They knew what they were doing with that category
rustic vale
little lark
RTA?
rustic vale
Real time attack as opposed to the in-game time categories
it’s more optimal to run a 10 heat pact by turning on one level of tight deadline for real time categories
little lark
What does Tight Deadline do when you run out of time?
rustic vale
-5hp per second
little lark
Ah
I thought it just outright killed you
And then Hades would say some snarky remark about you being slow
rustic vale
all time you have left-over transfers over to your next biome btw
little lark
Like he does with the Erebus chambers
rustic vale
My highest heat is still 8
Getting better at heat tends to prep you well for speedrunning as well
going from heat to speed you feel infinitely more tanky
little lark
Hades is one of the few games i wanna actually invest 1000 hours in
It's crazy how it still maintains 1000 players daily despite being almost 5 years old now
rustic vale
It's crazy how it still maintains 1000 players daily despite being almost 5 year...
it’s a fun game ngl
The speedrunning scene is still fairly active
and so is high heat particularly recently
Hades 2 helped bring in a good handful of new people as well
magic iris
My highest heat is still 8
Same, gonna do 64 just for funsies (time to get clipped)
drifting osprey
i just did harsh conditions
damn some of these pacts sucks ahh
XD
who thought that 500% trap damage is a good idea
little lark
My clumsy ahh could never
drifting osprey
i did it 3rd try
2nd try i died at hades being one shot XD
my dumbahh forgot i still had a call available
rustic vale
who thought that 500% trap damage is a good idea
It seems fine till you get hit for 150 in the Hades fight
magic iris
Same, gonna do 64 just for funsies (time to get clipped)
Might actually do hell mode version
On a new save
rustic vale
On a new save
FF 64
That would lowkey be a crazy accomplishment given sword doesn’t even have any 64 heat clears on a maxed save to stsrt with tbh
magic iris
Just died on my "first" run cause I'm a bit slow
Got bombed to 4 hp
And then a big guy dashed into me
I have it maxed and it's at 46 heat
So uh... I guess that's what I'm doing? (I'm on xbox)
I'm not getting past Meg... I don't think I've ever cleared Tartarus in under 5
rustic vale
I'm not getting past Meg... I don't think I've ever cleared Tartarus in under 5
Mmm
it’s honestly not that bad under normal conditions
Like 5 minutes it plenty until your build is taken out of your hands by ap2
magic iris
Like 5 minutes it plenty until your build is taken out of your hands by ap2
I think my closest was sub 6
Maybe like 5 30
frozen lion
I've cleared it in like 3
Tight deadline was the first heat I went for and it's basically free for me
magic iris
I'm back on my normal save, how do yall get the final aspects unlocked?
magic iris
I've cleared it in like 3
Tight deadline was the first heat I went for and it's ...
Woah that's crazy
magic iris
I'm back on my normal save, how do yall get the final aspects unlocked?
And also the other keepsakes
The ones on the bottom
frozen lion
I'm back on my normal save, how do yall get the final aspects unlocked?
5+ titan blood on spear, talk to Achilles
frozen lion
And also the other keepsakes
Force-feed people in the House of Hades the piss bottles
autumn jewel
and sisyphus
magic iris
5+ titan blood on spear, talk to Achilles
Mkay
rustic vale
I think my closest was sub 6
I have a 2:01 sitting around somewhere
Although my average is more like 2:20-3:00 for most speedruns and like 4 for high heat
old bluff
:croven:
rustic vale
:croven:
for tartarus*
no I actually cleared as fast as the fastest run control run trust me bro
old bluff
No, the joke is that my tart pb is kinda fast
rustic vale
No, the joke is that my tart pb is kinda fast
How fast are we talking
I don’t have a great frame of reference for how fast tart should be for sub6
old bluff
for sub 6, anything sub 2 is pretty good i would say
1:45 is what you are really looking for imo
magic iris
Can you reroll into patroclus or not cause I think I saw his room was un rerollable
Same with shop
old bluff
Nope, can’t roll into them
little lark
What if the real Patroclus was the friends we made along the way?
jovial sorrel
to unlock bewolf shield all i need is to spend 5 titan blood on any of the shields right
like 5 titan blood in total
sacred hull
In the most classic sense? You’d still be missing the resource director ranks
What's the final rank?
I'm currently at sigma rank
rotund tangle
to unlock bewolf shield all i need is to spend 5 titan blood on any of the shiel...
Yes then you have to wait for Chaos to talk about it
mint coral
What's the final rank?
I'm currently at sigma rank
Unseen one
lavish sorrel
What's the final rank?
I'm currently at sigma rank
um. well I have bad news for you
mint coral
to unlock bewolf shield all i need is to spend 5 titan blood on any of the shiel...
You need hidden spear revealed first btw
After that yeah you need 5 blood on shield and: with shield equipped, talk to chaos until they give dialogue acknowledging that you are using it, then you can get the phrase
jovial sorrel
You need hidden spear revealed first btw
After that yeah you need 5 blood on shi...
How do you unlock the spear?
mint coral
5 non zagreus aspects unlocked, talk to Achilles
You need to have reached dad once at least and have the prophecies list unlocked but I assume you have that
jovial sorrel
You need to have reached dad once at least and have the prophecies list unlocked...
Yeah
jovial sorrel
5 non zagreus aspects unlocked, talk to Achilles
wait 5?
bruh i thought i just need to invest 5 titan blood bruh
mint coral
Yeah across all the weapons
jovial sorrel
bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
jovial sorrel
wait so to get the hidden spear
mint coral
Spear is 5 non zagreus aspects unlocked
Other weapons is 5 blood invested into the weapon
mint coral
Correct
jovial sorrel
bruh whats the best way of gettign titan blood
mint coral
Have you completed a run yet or nah
jovial sorrel
yeah i did
mint coral
Use the pact of punishment to reset the boss drops for more blood basically
mint coral
does each heat lvl reset it?
Yeah but you need to heat the previous to be able to reset it again
So you can't do shield heat 1, kill only meg then up the heat 2
(well, you can put the game will still count it as the rewards of heat 1)
jovial sorrel
Yeah but you need to heat the previous to be able to reset it again
bruhhh
this is so hard man
torn wharf
There's many options for like 1-6 heat that do basically nothing, like the first one or two ticks of tight deadline.
jovial sorrel
There's many options for like 1-6 heat that do basically nothing, like the first...
the one that deals extra dps?
torn wharf
The time limit.
jovial sorrel
whats the best aspect btw
vast raven
for speed: beowulf, for high heat: zeus
jovial sorrel
wait do i just need to like unlock guan yu or i also need to buy it with the titan blood in order to unlock bewolf shielf
rotund tangle
Don't have to unlock it iIrc
tacit ember
wait do i just need to like unlock guan yu or i also need to buy it with the tit...
Guanyu is supposed to be a good high heat aspect (I'm bad though)
Not a good early pick up though since you need to invest in it
mint coral
wait do i just need to like unlock guan yu or i also need to buy it with the tit...
Just reveal (as in, available for purchase) is enough
jovial sorrel
Just reveal (as in, available for purchase) is enough
oh okay
also just wondering does the lucky tooth extra life thing stack ontop of my extra life buffs
from the darkness board thing
jovial sorrel
Just reveal (as in, available for purchase) is enough
wait do i also need to invest titan blood into bewolf even though i've revealed it in order to use it?
cuz thats so stupid bruh like i spent 5 titan blood and i need to spend more titan blood just to use it?
😭
jovial sorrel
ig but titan blood is so hard to come by istg 😭
mint coral
also just wondering does the lucky tooth extra life thing stack ontop of my extr...
Tooth always gets consumed last after the defiances
jovial sorrel
ohh so i basically get 5 lives now if i use it?
mint coral
Yeah
jovial sorrel
thats so op
mint coral
(and as long as you have it equipped)
jovial sorrel
okok
cinder raft
Yo guys i think i have done a big booboo. Started hades 1 today, and before realising titan blood is for aspects, i spent it all on 200 gemstones. How badly have i screwed myself?
rustic vale
Not really
Titans blood is infinitely renewable
It’s a set back but not the end of the world
cinder raft
Ohh thats good to know, how do i go about getting it now? Done like 10 runs with nary a sight of one
rustic vale
Ohh thats good to know, how do i go about getting it now? Done like 10 runs with...
You get bounty rewards like blood and diamond for your first time killing a boss with a given weapon, and you need to actually pull off your first escape before you can turn on the difficulty modifiers that renew them
Otherwise it’s trading up or prophecies for you until then
cinder raft
Ahh yeah so my options are prophecies or beating hades, got it. Just beat theseus for the first time 🙂
wanton zealot
dodge-deflect build >
grim hornet
What made it so that whenever i get nectar i get another small buff
and where were you able to change it
jovial flicker
What made it so that whenever i get nectar i get another small buff
Contractor
jovial flicker
and where were you able to change it
It's always random pom
little lark
Virgin Acorn Abuser vs Chad Spearhead enjoyer
mint coral
Oh god is been like a year since I've seen spearhead mentioned lol
rotund tangle
Virgin Acorn Abuser vs Chad Spearhead enjoyer
I used Spearpoint for Styx in my 40 heat run because of the potential of Butterflies (EM4)
rotund tangle
how do you unlock the keychain things
By gifting nectar
jovial sorrel
By gifting nectar
do you need to unlock all the keepsakes to unlock them?
rotund tangle
Oh do you mean the companions
For the companions you have to reach ambrosia level
With certain characters
little lark
I used Spearpoint for Styx in my 40 heat run because of the potential of Butterf...
I decided to switch to Spearpoint after realizing that I've been using Acorn as a crutch
I wanna prove to myself that I can actually improve
Acorn is really good though
latent moon
spearpoint kinda just sucks tho except against butterfly balls lmao
or soaking an entire elysium witch ball
rotund tangle
Guess that's why the Tooth or Collar ends up the most consistent
Spearpoint works against poison too iIrc
mint coral
I decided to switch to Spearpoint after realizing that I've been using Acorn as ...
Me when I use the defensive keepsake for defensive purposes??
I still use acorn even for em4 tbh
Just don't get B.balls/sneaks 
rotund tangle
Yeah funny thing is when I did use the Spearpoint I ended up with double Skullcrusher + Megagorgon lol
wet pumice
Hey there, do you know if there is a Switch 2 Upgrade planned for Hades I?
I am trying to get my hands on a physical copy of Hades for the Switch but it seems like it's no longer being produced and the cheapest option is a Japan import but I would be willing to wait if there is a planned Switch 2 version.
sacred hull
How many Prophecies are there in total?
mint coral
Hey there, do you know if there is a Switch 2 Upgrade planned for Hades I?
I a...
We don't have any info for this
wet pumice
Thanks, I am going to go with the imported version then
little lark
I won't lie
Zeus' Aspect feels really good to use
Also you can use it to kite things
Which is something the other shields fail to consistently do
tacit ember
Which is something the other shields fail to consistently do
How so
you don't really need to kite with shield since dash attacking and going into a block right after your bullrush is effectively the safest thing you can do
frozen lion
It's also one of only 2 aspects in the game to have an unmodded 64 heat clear
The DPS on special when built properly is insane
tacit ember
im pretty sure zeus dps isnt outstanding or anything its just that comparatively you need relatively few things for a workable build
rustic vale
There’s a lot that goes into 64 heat beyond dps
You also need to be able to remove shields rapidly to be able to do any damage
lavish sorrel
Yeah zeus' damage is nothing to talk home about; the damage lands it firmly in the middle of the pack. No; what puts zeus into s-tier for heat is its build-consistency, and the sheer amount of safety you get from bullrushes, and its ability to remove Damage Control hearts fast (something a few other strong aspects struggle with greatly; easiest to understand examples are Arthur, Hera or Hestia, but also to some slightly lesser extent lucifer, zagreus bow, chiron bow, gilgamesh fists, and guan yu if you play it using the special instead of the spin)
frozen lion
ah ok
rustic vale
I have 12 total blood, spear or shield for average level play
Either achilles, zeus or hidden shield if you’re asking where to use your blood
sleek atlas
Sup!
little lark
you don't really need to kite with shield since dash attacking and going into a ...
Ik, just stating it as something it can do
It's just a fun little tidbit
jovial sorrel
Also you can use it to kite things
zeus better than bewolf?
old bluff
it depends on what you are doing
beo totally outclasses zeus for speed, and the reverse is true for heat
jovial sorrel
ohh so zeus is better in heat?
old bluff
ye
jovial sorrel
oh bruh
latent moon
oh bruh
Beo is still like really good for heat
Beo stops being like free/easy after like 50 heat which is still really good lmao
little lark
Main issue of Beo for me is the slow chargeup + it being a bit hard to aim the dash to maximize the damage
I only have 160 hours though so my opinion holds as much weight as the shades in the game
old bluff
Main issue of Beo for me is the slow chargeup + it being a bit hard to aim the d...
Yeah, Beo takes a while to get used to
Cshot really helps with it tho
It makes Beo so much more approachable
jovial sorrel
I only have 160 hours though so my opinion holds as much weight as the shades in...
bro make it sound as if 160 isnt alot of time
old bluff
I mean, compared to a lot of others in this server, it’s not too bad
rotund tangle
3 runs into using Beowulf I hated it, 5 runs later it was my first 32h clear, I really think the most important thing to think about (especially without Charged Shot or even Sudden rush) is how to get close enough to enemies so that you don't have to charge the rush too much
But with Charged Shot it just charges so quickly
frozen lion
I liked beowulf a lot. Up until I picked up drowning shot. ON BOTH RUNS.
Granted, this is more my fault than anything.
old bluff
I liked beowulf a lot. Up until I picked up drowning shot. ON BOTH RUNS.
?
Flood flare is the best cast for Beo
frozen lion
Misspoke. I meant drowning shot.
frozen lion
Yeah whatever that one is
old bluff
That would explain it