h1-discussion

[wintry estuary]

Haiiii hi hai hiiii !!! ^^

I kinda wish I got more interactions with Hypnos yo 💔💔

[spiral frigate]

if i dont have enough to buy the maxed out death defiance (i only have enough to get a single death defiance) should i get the alternative version and focus on the other upgrades instead?

[mint coral]

The alt version costs 600, that's more expensive that 2 defiances

[spiral frigate]

oh

[mint coral]

In general if you are struggling more with rooms, then go for stubborn defiance
If bosses are the issue go for death defiance

Just gotta keep in mind your refill options

[spiral frigate]

then ill get stubborn defiance since most bosses are ez

[jovial flicker]

is pos's leg additive or multiplicative? idk the fishing chances, but say it was 10%, would it go to 12 or 30?

[rustic vale]

additive

the bigger part of huge catch is removing the cooldown between rooms

since most biomes have like a 6-12 room cooldown before next fish

[jovial flicker]

oh

what is the base fishing chance anyway

[rustic vale]

can’t remember ngl

[jovial flicker]

Biome Chance Number of chambers since last fishing spot
Tartarus 25% 10
Asphodel 10% 10
Elysium 10% 10
Hub of Styx 10% 10
Chaos Gate 7% 5
Greece 20% 2
according to wiki

i swear chaos gate has to be lower than that

i still havent got a single one

[rustic vale]

Tbf

high odds your chaos gets blocked by fishing cooldown

7% is pretty low

[rugged granite]

Ok i just finished the game the credits were AWESOME

||I also just finished maxing out Charon's friendship and got Eurydice and Orpheus to not hate each other anymore so hearing their duet with Charon bringing us back really felt right on the spot||

(spoilers since I've seen other new players in this chat recently)

[wintry estuary]

WOOOOA!! GOOD JOB ^^

[livid raven]

are you not supposed to finish the game quickly?

i finished relatively quick and i dont say that in a way of tooting my own horn im worried i may have missed content before beating it

[rustic vale]

First escape is hardly any of the way into Hades

You still need 9 more for credits, and miss a lot of relationship story epilogue combat

Typing with 1 arm rn it’s hard sorry if typos or brief

If you leave after your first escape you definitely miss a good chunk of the main story as the wrap up for that is the credits and subsequent epilogue

You also miss a ton of story with each person and interpersonal relationships, and a lot of the nuance for combat from actually having the resources to have work orders/mirror/aspects vs the entire heat system

[livid raven]

no i know i did like the 10, but my runs went well and so after maybe 7-8 attempts i went on a 7 game win streak and got persephone home

[frozen lion]

People will take varying amounts of time to beat the game depending on skill level. It took me over 20 attempts before my first escape.

[mint coral]

Nah
The game will be trying to play catch up for a while tho

Basically you may see dialogue a bit later than supposed to but will show up eventually

[feral patio]

Omg Zag named the Hydra awwww that’s so cute

[livid raven]

alright ill definitely be putting a lot more hours into it then so ill see everything

[frozen lion]

Ghost ping?

[livid raven]

i had replied to you but i said i hadnt meant to sound like a d*ck and it deleted it

my bad

[plain swan]

congrats! you've just unlocked the best part of the Hydra boss banter

[feral patio]

Yay!!!!

I also have a fan in the Theseus fight

[mint coral]

They are there from day one

[feral patio]

HELP I MADE CHARON MAD

[feral patio]

Omg I’ve never been more happy to see Patroclus

[rustic vale]

Just win

[feral patio]

I did

Barely

[lunar fern]

Hi.

It’s been almost 5 years since the release of this glorious game (7 if we count Early Access). And well… since Hades is a DRM-free game, a question naturally comes to mind: why isn’t it available on GOG?

There are already other modern, DRM-free roguelikes on that store, such as Cult of the Lamb or Enter the Gungeon. Why not release it there as well? I think it could be a great way to gain some extra revenue from a demographic of players that seems to align very well with your philosophy.

[feral patio]

Omg guys I forged my first bond!!

[feral patio]

It was with Charon

[mint coral]

Hell yeah

[frozen lion]

Hrnnngghggg

[latent moon]

[feral patio]

I got the achievement for using an Olympian’s call against them!!

[plain swan]

TIL getting damage from chaos' curse doesn't count against the butterfly

[latent moon]

it also won't directly kill you lmao

it'll only set you to 1 hp and won't pop any defiance

[tacit ember]

Stubborn makes chaos pretty funny since hp is expendable

[feral patio]

Me when I was one chamber off getting the butterfly achievement

And it was because my controller died mid room

[feral patio]

Ok guys we got a good run going

24% leaving Tartarus

[mint coral]

Gg already lol

[feral patio]

We got it!!!!!

Like 3 rooms into Asphodel

Shout out to Bow

[feral patio]

Omg that was such a fun run

I finally got Demeter legendary

Freezing Theseus to death was so satisfying

[rotund tangle]

WITHER AND DIE

[feral patio]

Her VA devoured

Like genuinely she’s lowkey my fav Olympian

Her and Artemis

Omg Than gave me a plushie!!!

[trail bear]

hey when do you unlock extreme measures 4?

oh you need to beat it 10 times again sorry

[rotund tangle]

Completed the FishDex™️

Catching all fish should've been an achievement tbh

[rustic vale]

Is it truly finished btw

have all their pages been completely filled with all the lore

[rotund tangle]

Nah just caught def not all the entries lol

[feral patio]

Omg I just had my first sub twenty run

Everything just fell over and died

It was during my ambient plume run as well

It turns out that max artemis gauge and Than plushy is a bit overkill on Lernie

I ended up with 27.5% chance

[rustic vale]

Use them on seperate breakpoints if you are goinh to use thrm

Like Than for phase 2 full call phase 3

etc

Than phase 1 is def the most consistent

I’d think

Can’t say I’ve used Mort in like 400 runs

[feral patio]

Oh ok

I never used Than before so it was like what does the big glowing red button do moment

[trail bear]

hey im just wondering something i gave meg a bunch of nectar and she has like a lock on her heart do i just need to keep talking to her or is there something specific i need to do?

[rustic vale]

depending on the npc some need specifics outside of dialogue with that npc

Iirc meg is just talk to her thiugh

[trail bear]

oh ok tysm you are the best shackle

[real edge]

Yeah just keep talking to her whenever she pops up

[trail bear]

ok ty

[rustic vale]

The fandom wiki has the specifics for any given npc under the “affinity” section of the page if you just scroll down far enough

[trail bear]

oh ok ty

[rustic vale]

last I checked they were all correct given the fandom wiki for Hades doesn’t always have 100% accurate jnfo

It’s like 99% accuracy though

Only 1 off fact for 99 correct ones

[feral patio]

Omg Than is looking at Zag differently

Like quite literally he changed his face direction

[mint coral]

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[feral patio]

Yeah

Instead of staring at Zag he just stares at us in a strange way

[high onyx]

im shaking someone please get him some brown eye contacts /ref

do y’all count skelly’s last prize as absolutely required for 100%ing the game cuz imma be real idk if i wanna do allat before moving onto 2

ill still do 16 heat for the cheevo but idk if i have that 32 heat dawg in me

[drowsy kettle]

no there's no achievement for the last statue

[high onyx]

huzzah

[hexed birch]

I dont they intended than to break the third wall, but he did lol

[feral patio]

I haven’t even done 8 heat…

[high onyx]

i still havent done 8 heat either but im Working on it

[hexed birch]

Same here

[feral patio]

As someone who has Rio from Agatha All Along as one of their favourite MCU characters I’m ok with this

[high onyx]

not through failures im just getting the lower bounties first

[feral patio]

My top heat is 3

[hexed birch]

XD so fair

[feral patio]

It just takes forever unless I were to grind 1 weapon

[high onyx]

so far my top heat is i think 4 on sword

ive been rotating weapons with dark thirst to get more dankness (n for variety)

[feral patio]

I did get the Than and Hermes keepsake achievements done yesterday tho!

[high onyx]

nice

[rustic vale]

Include the resource director ranks

[high onyx]

i finally forged my first bond yesterday (poseidon)

[rustic vale]

[feral patio]

Hermes was honestly pretty easy

[feral patio]

My first was Charon

[high onyx]

i held onto all my fish waiting for his favor to unlock so once it did n i turned em in i got so many resources

the turned in text went off the screen

[rotund tangle]

Yeah cause Hermes doesn't even need you to max the keepsake

[rustic vale]

32 heat is pretty achieveable it just might mean postponing your Hades 2 start by like 4-7 gaming sessions if u listen to pact and build advice ngl

If you’re already at 16-20 heat

[high onyx]

we’ll see

my main thing is i really dont wanna put on tight deadlines so ill have to sub it for other heat

cuz timers stress me out n make me perform worse

[feral patio]

No that’s so real

I like to dilly dally

[rustic vale]

tight deadline should be way easier to handle by the time you get thrrr

[rotund tangle]

I thought this too 2 weeks ago when I was only using Zagreus Shield but now I'm regularly clearing under 25 minutes

[rustic vale]

and at least the first 2 levels you have 8 morbillion years

all the time transfers to the next biome

[high onyx]

like im sure i could do it with enough practice but it’s more the mental thing

[rustic vale]

Other thing

You don’t die when it hits 0

[feral patio]

My heats so far have been

1: Extreme Measures 1
2: Extreme Measures 1 and Calisthenics Program 1
3: Extreme Measures 2

[rustic vale]

You start taking 5 damage per second so you can’t play indefinitely but you do have a healthy buffer

[high onyx]

maybe ill start putting on at least one tick while doing normal runs to get used to it

[rustic vale]

Level 1 means you have a full 36 minutes like

[high onyx]

thats what ive been doing with extreme measures meg/lernie while grinding bounties up to 6 heat

for EM champions

[rustic vale]

36 minutes in-game time and there are so many places that stop the clock

[high onyx]

yeah it’s entirely psychological for me

[feral patio]

I’m starting to get a lot of the olympians to 5 hearts but how do I unlock their last one

[high onyx]

you have to do their favors which is different for each of them

[feral patio]

Honestly that goes for a lot of characters im hitting a lot of locks

[high onyx]

the wiki has em on the affinity section for each character

[feral patio]

Nyx, Meg, Chaos, Aphrodite, Artemis, Ares, Dio, Hermes, Demeter, Achilles, Sisyphus, Eurydice, Patroclus, and Mum

[high onyx]

you cant max demeter until after the epilogue if you havent done that already

[feral patio]

I know Eurydice needs Orpheus to be free of the contract which I just need diamonds for

[feral patio]

I haven’t done that yet unfortunately

I’m trying

[high onyx]

hermes you just need to have his keepsake maxed n equipped n he’ll comment about it

[feral patio]

I’ve had Nyx at her lock like forever

Everytime she has something to say it’s about like anyone else

[rustic vale]

You need 6/8 olympians favours for epilogue but dem counts since you can’t do her favour before the epilogue so it’s more like 5/8 + dem

[high onyx]

yeah that one’s a bit of rng hell with the dialogue, i didnt get the darkness contract even unlocked until yesterday

[rustic vale]

I think hers is reuniting her with Chaos?

[high onyx]

yeah

[feral patio]

I have Chaos at his lock too 😭

[high onyx]

they have to both be at their locks i think

[feral patio]

Those 2 were the first I did cause they are both really cool to me

[high onyx]

n then after enough dialogue exchanges nyx decides she wants to reconnect with chaos n asks you to get a thing from the house contractor

[feral patio]

Oh ok

[high onyx]

dionysus needs you to forge at least 5 other bonds n give at least 10 ambrosia to others before his unlocks

so dont worry about him much right now

ive been neglecting him a bit in the nectar department myself ngl

[feral patio]

Oh ok

I did his quest to poke at Orpheus

I lowkey felt bad 😭

[high onyx]

i still havent gotten that yet but im praying its soon cuz its so funny

i just love how it’s a nod to the original orphic myth of zagreus

[feral patio]

Oh that’s fun

I’m gonna be honest I didn’t realize Orpheus was a dude for like a while 😭😭😭😭

[high onyx]

he just slays

[feral patio]

No literally

[high onyx]

i love orpheus his songs are my favorite out of the entire game

[feral patio]

I need to give him one more nectar

I also have his contact unlocked

[rustic vale]

this is surprisingly common

alongsidd hypnos

[feral patio]

I would like to do the nectar first tho cause if he runs off it would probably make it more difficult

I’ve lowkey ignored Hypnos 😭😭😭

I accidentally gave him a nectar beyond his keepsake because my controller died next to him and it thought I pushed RT

[rustic vale]

[feral patio]

I’ve been focusing my nectar on characters who are bit more difficult to run into so I’ve kinda ignored Hynos, Cerberus, and Dusa

Also should I be feeding? Boldy

[high onyx]

thats what i did

feeding bouldy just gets you a Bouldy Boon™ you dont need to to max sisyphus

[feral patio]

Oh ok

I have Sisyphus at his lock

Everyone be locked 🙄

[high onyx]

rip

it just be like that tho

[feral patio]

I need Zeus, Posideon, and Athena up some more tho so maybe they have the answers

[high onyx]

i only just unlocked hermes, ares, n orpheus/euridyce yesterday

[feral patio]

I already started working on getting Hermes keepsake max yesterday

So that shouldn’t be bad

Also it’s the fact that he knows…

I think idk

[high onyx]

poseidon just needs you to catch 18 fish n have a fish on you

[feral patio]

Wait do you need all 18 on you???

[high onyx]

no

just one

[feral patio]

Does it count if you caught the fish before unlocking it

[high onyx]

yes

[feral patio]

Oh ok phew

[high onyx]

catching the fish is what unlocks his last heart

[feral patio]

I have his denizens of the deep quest as well

Idk how close I am to that I feel like I’ve been catching fish

[rustic vale]

He gives a boon that can either be +1-10% strike damage, special damage, cast damage, damage reduction, obol gain, or movespeed, or +2% ambiguity bonus

It’s better to do this when you don’t have a kot if characters who still need nectar

[high onyx]

yarr

[high onyx]

fitting my first bond was with poseidon he's like my second favorite of the olympians behind dionysus

underwater unc <3

[feral patio]

Artemis and Demeter are my favs

[high onyx]

real

[feral patio]

They also have some of my fav boons

[high onyx]

i love demeter she has so much aura

[feral patio]

Support Fire 😝

[high onyx]

support fire mirage shot >>>>>>

[feral patio]

Her VA ate so hard

[high onyx]

artemis makes cast builds so fun

i still need to get her legendary

[feral patio]

It’s such a crime that Aphro has a duo boon to limit your Call guage when her 25% call is horrendous

[high onyx]

tbh most of aphro's duos seem kinda Bad

[feral patio]

Artemis makes any build fun lowkey

[high onyx]

true

crit go brrrr

[feral patio]

Most of Aphros aren’t great 😭😭😭

[mint coral]

aphro is great wdym

oh duos

me not read

[mint coral]

wait what

no that's one of her bests lol

[feral patio]

But if you have her call it’s kinda bad

Zeus is good

[mint coral]

that's a pretty good stun most of the time still

but yeah aphro smair is def weaker

but also just don't click her call in general

[feral patio]

I like the immediate nuke of 2500 damage

[mint coral]

"immediate"

[feral patio]

Point blank it’s kinda funny

[mint coral]

but yeah duo good cuz most greater calls aren't worth it

even at its worst, smair with artemis call is an easy iframes on demand

basically an extra dash

[high onyx]

i dont go for aphro a lot on average ngl, unless im running hera aspect cuz crush shot go boom

[feral patio]

Me when Aphro made me swap a boon in Styx last night

[rustic vale]

Especislly when this is one of the best duos

[feral patio]

Like girl don’t pmo

[mint coral]

aphro is good in general as she has the highest % modifier on her attack/special

and weak is just nice

[feral patio]

Yeah that’s why I pick her

The percentage

Other than that…

Her legendary is kinda fun

[high onyx]

i do like taking her with fists

usually i go for her n athena for attack/special when im running fist

[rustic vale]

Mad +% and her weak debuff is really strong

Has a few good secondary boons

[feral patio]

I feel like her secondary effects are kinda random

[mint coral]

she has the one source of additive dmg reduction too

[rustic vale]

more damage and damage reduction on weakened targets are phenomenal options

[feral patio]

The less damage from up close enemies is so weird to me when bronze skin also exists 😭😭😭

[mint coral]

bronze skin is also a tbf

[jovial flicker]

What does that mean

[mint coral]

[feral patio]

Bouldy

[mint coral]

bouldy means many things

in this case is a "that one sure is a boon"

[rustic vale]

Not every boon can be a winner

[mint coral]

half of hermes's stuff moment

[rustic vale]

Bronze skin is just as much of a loser

[feral patio]

Hermes is either the best boon you can get or one you literally do not need

[mint coral]

there's also the athena pos duo lol

[feral patio]

What does tha do?

[mint coral]

10% dmg reduction on bosses and stun immunity (think of the pots from dad)

[feral patio]

Oh

That’s like ok

[jovial flicker]

does stun immunity include the moment after you get hit

idk i never really took that duo

[rustic vale]

It should

[feral patio]

I got Ares legendary the other day and when dad popped his 360 laser I popped Ares call and just deleted him

[mint coral]

iirc it doesn't?

but also is been ages

[rustic vale]

wouldn’t be able to tell you can’t remember the last time I actually took or even had unshakable mettle open

[high onyx]

that reminds me i finally got the thanks but no thanks cheevo

[mint coral]

oh yeah funny stuff
ares call is the only boon that the legendary works at full power

[high onyx]

charon shop in styx was all ares n i got his legendary after 2 sack

n then i did the other chambers just to find a well of purging

[feral patio]

I had a whole build with all the rift stuff it was cool

[rustic vale]

cast and dash get half effectiveness from ares legendary and the flare version gets +0 lmao

[high onyx]

then i got it back from the last ares in shop lmao

[jovial flicker]

why 😭

[feral patio]

I was trying to get Ares’s prophecy for his boons done so it was nice

[rustic vale]

Flare is probably just a bug like all the other flares

[feral patio]

I also had a really cool Demeter build the other day with like all of her secondaries and her legendary and watching Thesus just explode was too good

[rustic vale]

cast and dash couldn’t tell you

[rotund tangle]

I did not know that lol I just did a couple of Freezing Vortex runs for fun with Beowulf while I was maxing Demeter's keepsake and got Vicious Cycle both times

[high onyx]

the last stupid rng achivemment i have left is the one for using greater call in a trial

[feral patio]

I got that one the other day

[rustic vale]

Other funny thing with rifts is black metal ( the boon that increases rift radius) actually adds a flat amount to rift radius so the only rift that gets the displayed amount of size increase is slicing shot

[high onyx]

cuz i have no idea if there's any way to manipulate trial spawns

or if i just have to prayge

[rotund tangle]

So funny how many bugs made it through with Beowulf in particular

[rustic vale]

dashes get amplified size boost, ares call and slicing flare get less

[feral patio]

I think I have most of the tedious achievements done

I got Call against an Olympian, and Than and Hermes done

[rotund tangle]

I'll happily take the Mirage Shot and Trippy Flare positive bugs with the Slicing Flare negative bugs

[rustic vale]

Beo was one of the very last weapons added and people were more using charged flight builds than cast builds back when charged flight was a 5x base damage instead of 3x

[jovial flicker]

wait what IS slicing flare

like whats the difference between normal one

[mint coral]

Beo + ares cast

Comically huge

Lasts very little

[rustic vale]

All the beo casts are changed to be aoes

[feral patio]

I lowkey don’t know all the duo boons yet

[jovial flicker]

yeah ik so does it just create a non-moving big blade rift?

[rustic vale]

one big barely moving blade rigt

[mint coral]

Gilgamesh and beo are two sides of the "added very late into early access" spectrum

[rustic vale]

It has a teeny velocity

[feral patio]

I still need to escape with a hidden aspect

[rustic vale]

fists is the only one that might be hard to clear with

[high onyx]

i did it with rama

[rustic vale]

And a low level gy if you aren’t doing a special build

[mint coral]

If you dash only it, is not that bad tbh

[high onyx]

i have almost all the hidden aspects unlocked i just need beo n arthur

[jovial flicker]

surely gilgamesh isnt so bad that its worse when you attack

[high onyx]

but i cant remember if ive gotten the shield dialogue from chaos yet so ill just have to keep taking them when i do shield runs

[jovial flicker]

beo genuinely so fun

[rustic vale]

Dash only gives you all the iframes

so you don’t have to deal with slower dash-strikes

[mint coral]

The one joke about gilgamesh is that its dash strike doesn't one shot numbskulls

[high onyx]

tbh the shield is probably my least favorite weapon playstyle wise

even then its still fun

[mint coral]

Gilga: for +25% universal dmg and a 400 dmg doom, you give your enemies a +50% dmg buff
Beo: even without the bugs, you have a shield, big aoe, casts don't lodge and your only downside is +10% dmg taken

[rustic vale]

real gamers do memey shield special builds to mitage this

[high onyx]

i think my favorite weapon is definitely achilles spear

either that or hera bow

[mint coral]

Oh and beo's block angle is bigger than the other shields lol

[feral patio]

I enjoy fists a lot

Honestly all the weapons have their uses

[high onyx]

yarr

[feral patio]

Bow is my least favorite but it got me through Than’s keepsake achievement

Bow also has some fun hammers

[jovial flicker]

twin and flurry go brr

[feral patio]

Like sniper shot nuking everything through Asphodel

[high onyx]

i took flurry on a run yesterday n deeply regretted it

[jovial flicker]

why

[rustic vale]

6/12 bow hammers are really strong

[jovial flicker]

flurry is pretty op

[high onyx]

i prefer power shotting with hera

[feral patio]

I haven’t picked up flurry yet

[high onyx]

it just felt really awkward not being able to charge my shot

but thats just me

[jovial flicker]

well cast does most of the damage so it isnt necessary

[high onyx]

it was also my very first time taking flurry, i did it for prophecy

yeah i just didnt like how it felt

[feral patio]

My fav hammer has got to be the one that makes it so you don’t have to reload the rail

[high onyx]

TRUE

[rustic vale]

twin/triple/flurry/point-blank/perfect/explosive are all rlly strong hammers

[high onyx]

delta chamber my beloved

[feral patio]

Pew pew pew, pew pew pew, pew pew pew, pew pew pew!!!

Like rip for the people who use the manual reload gives damage boost aspect

But like I don’t so 😝

[rustic vale]

You can still reload of hestia with delta chamber

[high onyx]

that reminds me i still need to level hestia

[rustic vale]

so you get the benefits of keeping iframes on your dash strikes with delta chamber

without getting rid of your hestia shot

[feral patio]

Oh that’s nice

Idk I still hate reloading 😭😭

[rustic vale]

I’m a big fan of spreadfire zagrail builds

18 shotgun shots per clip is a tad bit insane

[high onyx]

i love anything with rocket bomb

not a fan of the stock special on rail ngl

[rustic vale]

It’s not the greatest

But there’s a reason why the special hammers are all the best rail hammers

[high onyx]

yeah

again i just dont like how it feels

control n gamefeel is very important to me

[rustic vale]

Are you kmb or controller

[high onyx]

controller

[primal compass]

Weird question, but does anyone know where I can get a high quality image of the PS5/XBOX game case's spine art

[dusky solar]

aba. i finally beat extreme measures 4

[restive kestrel]

Two wins away from rolling credits mueheheh

[high onyx]

finally got the bad call cheevo, shoutout dionysus

i need to level the pierced butterfly for when i go for thorn of thanatos cuz i have Not been doing that

[wheat zenith]

is there a server for hades mods?

[rustic vale]

Yes

The link is pinned in #self-promotion

[feral patio]

I also did it with him

[feral patio]

Bye I just got Lambient plum to pop after the Hades fight

[feral patio]

Trying extreme Theseus for the first time

[rustic vale]

That’s a gem of a fight the first time

[feral patio]

I’m at Lernie rn

Artemis special with Demeter fists is insane

[feral patio]

Ok so the Asterious mini boss wrecked me

I’m scared

[feral patio]

WHY DID THEY GIVE THESEUS THOSE

Oh ok it’s fine guys Than nuked them

So it turns out if you get Mirage Shot and the Ares Art duo boon you get a ton of ult charge

Omg I can use Than on dad now!!

[rustic vale]

Yeah things that hit really fast for lower damage always charge significantly faster than big hits

because any damage one instance does above 60 is sqrted for god gauge gain

[feral patio]

Oh

It also helps I had Hermes auto charge

[rustic vale]

I mean unless it’s high rarity odds are that was nearly 100% your blades cast dps

blade cast tends to be really efficient for god gauge gain

[feral patio]

With mirage shot I had max gauge every like 13 seconds

[feral patio]

Than was just in my room

I think they woohooed

Omg I claimed my prophecies right after and then and achievement popped and for a sec I thought it was for the above 😭😭😭 it wasn’t it was for Sisyphus

[sinful gate]

beowulf seems kinda bad

is there something im not seeing

[rustic vale]

It’s one of the fastest aspects

actually

[sinful gate]

oh??

[rustic vale]

yeah

some of the casts are really solid and the rest are very mid

[sinful gate]

oh right different casts lmfao

[rustic vale]

like fliod flare, passion flare and trippy flarr are all good and then the rest eh

[vast raven]

artemis cast

[rustic vale]

Have you been using it with the base cast?

[sinful gate]

havent tried it in a run

got the aspect then got off

tried it with skelly

[rustic vale]

So yeah it’s like hera but with way more aoe on the casts

[feral patio]

Why get Artemis cast when you could just get support fire

I love support fire so much

[rustic vale]

and 4 positive bugs and 2 negative ones

[sinful gate]

rush charges reallyyyy slow is that an issue?

[vast raven]

not really

[rustic vale]

Typically aim for charged shot hammer to give you the charge speed of base shield

but otherwise it’s not entirely an issue you can fire a lot off in melee range

[vast raven]

(in optimal play) you tend to either do min shield charges or just deal with the low charge ^^^ and ye charged shot too

[rustic vale]

It’s still a shield but it has an even wider block than normal

[rustic vale]

There’s never a real usecase of arte cast aside from openning deadly reversal or heart rend

or lightning rod

most mid cast ever

[feral patio]

Oh

[sinful gate]

oh yeah

i beat charon for the first time

we love you chiron

chiron with drunken flourish is actually crazy

[feral patio]

Why is he lowkey the hardest boss

Like genuinely

[sinful gate]

its funny that's why

[mint coral]

he's not thaaat bad

yeah he hits like a truck but his attacks have big telegraphs

the difficulty comes often from fighting him early or no practice

is kinda a loop
battle is easy if you take the time for his patterns>fight never shows up>kicks your ass the first time>decide is way too hard>don't take fight cuz hard

[rustic vale]

His difficulty is super dependent on when you choose to fight him and the fact that you have significantly less experience with the fight

he has the same stats in tartarus as elysium

[feral patio]

Everytime I’ve fought him it was in Tartarus

It doesn’t help that I’ve had +15% health on him

[rustic vale]

Running calesthenics program

was your first mistake

[feral patio]

That’s the heat I throw on when I I can’t jump to the next level of extreme measures

And like I feel like it doesn’t do that much but because of Charon scaling works he gets so much health 😭😭😭

Also can I just say Hades has so much attention to detail

Like this game has so many small interactions that like they didn’t have to add but they did and it adds so much

Like if a fish spawns in the pond in front of dad then he actually comments on it

[latent moon]

I mean you have other things to add lmao

Tight deadline 1, hard labor 1, lasting consequences 1, or even jury summons 1 would all be better lmao

You're giving hades like an extra 5k hp

[feral patio]

Oh

I guess that is a lot yeah

I think I did one jury summons for 5 heat

Meg Measures
Lernie Measures
Health 1
Summons 1

[mint coral]

summons too 😭

[feral patio]

Is it that bad 😭😭

[latent moon]

20% more enemies all with 15% more hp is not a good time lmao

Especially in Elysium

Jury summons on low heat is generally fine as long as you only do like js1

Js2 is a bit pushing it

[feral patio]

I’ve been doing just tier 1

Omg Tisiphone did it!!!

Eurydice omg

She just upgraded side hustle to heroic

[feral patio]

Ok did I bug Orpheus out?

He hasn’t spawned in his chair in like 10 runs

I’ve ran into Eurydice a few times hoping maybe that was a trigger

I have the option to free him from the contract but I’m trying to save it for once I give him all the nectar

[rustic vale]

He can just leave sometimes

He’ll be back

[feral patio]

Also it turns out if you get the rocket launcher upgrade with the triple special upgrade on the rail you can just make everything explode

[rustic vale]

Cluster makes is a straight 400 base damage shotgun

[feral patio]

Oh wow

I also had Posideon special on it

Me when I’m trying to pull Arti legendary but she decides to show up like 2 times and never been seen again like girl get out of that forest and help me

[mint coral]

You have to pretend like you don't want it for it to show up

And make sure is not a cast build

[feral patio]

I’ve been using a cast build (for like the first time)

Most of the time if I throw out my cast it’s cause I have ravenous will

[mint coral]

Don't forget boiling blood smh

Or rod

Rod is life

[latent moon]

Big fan of rod

[feral patio]

Rod?

Also just got my fastest clear of 16:36!

Dash strike build with the spear goes crazy

Still no Arti legendary

Got the Zeus Demeter duo tho

I also fought Charon without losing a DD!!

[vast raven]

lightning rod (artemis zeus duo)

[feral patio]

Ohh

Idk if I encounter that one

Also there was another woohooing 😳

Also I know I should save up some diamonds for stuff but I bought Charon’s battle theme cause omg it’s so peak

[feral patio]

WE GOT ARTI LEGENDARY

Now can we pull Dio’s…

Cause then I can stop the legendary farming

Unfortunately I got Arti legendary when I’m using Dio cast

We did not pull Dios 😭

[rotund tangle]

Pretty ok tbh when I started playing a few weeks ago my favorite cast was Dionysus (I called it the "Bacchus Bomb" lol) cause you could cover like the whole room with 3 of them, even better with 5

Especially in Styx

[feral patio]

I kinda just fly through Styx anyway 😭

[rustic vale]

Dio cast takes so long to fire for styx

[fading mica]

ice wine:

[feral patio]

Omg I just got Arti and Dio legendary in the same run 😭😭😭

[feral patio]

Kinetic Launcher with Demeter Aspect is insanely broken 😭😭😭😭

Oh and Poseidon special

Also exclusive access is insane

[rotund tangle]

My favorite with Aspect of Demeter is Merciful End but it is kinda brainless to play once you get it with Divine Dash (at least at low heat I haven't gone up in difficulty with non-Shield weapons)

[plain swan]

ough yes. Getting launcher or Explosive Upper on Demeter fists is just a run maker

[latent moon]

ME is just good for all fists, spears, and swords until like 40 heat basically lmfao

there's more consistent builds but assuming you get the duo and divine dash, you'll kinda just delete everything

[rustic vale]

Really whenever you have to start taking ri or ap is where it drops off like a rock

[latent moon]

it only stops being viable past 40 bc you have to take approval process lmfao

[plain swan]

also I still prefer ME with Zeus shield bc then I dont have to bother looking for divine dash

[little lark]

I'm sorry but

Forgive me for asking this

But

I just maxxed out Meg's affinity

Did I uh

Did Meg uh

Yeah?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[little lark]

Oh

This game is wild

Also, thoughts on the Chaos form of the shield?

[mint coral]

Its saving grace is being a shield

[little lark]

What makes you say that?

[rotund tangle]

Yeah what I meant by "(at least at low heat)" was how easy and brainless it is cause when I use the Fists I basically just facetank most damage because I can kill them faster since I never really learned to dodge having used the Shield too much

[mint coral]

The gimmick is really bad, levels don't make much of a difference

Stuff like zeus don't work for single dmg due to internal cooldowns, dio is aight but there are better ways to use it

Stuff like explosive return don't work on the extra shields

Special still disables your block until it returns

[plain swan]

not just your block, but your attacks in general.

[little lark]

Oh yeah

That's probably why a lot of people prefer Zeus over the others

Since it lets you attack stuff even when your Special is still up

I will say, I do enjoy using Chaos simply because it's basically a shotgun at close range

That's how I usually use it

I dash then Q and then M2

Like a quick 1 2 punch

I'm still relatively new to the game though so my judgment might change once I reach higher Heat levels

My highest Heat clear is like, 8

And I only have like

150 hours

[plain swan]

sounds like you have muscle memory from using the Dashing Flight hammer

[spare sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-crusader-door-enter-gif-17792300

I love my shotgun shield

[jovial flicker]

isnt that a lot

way more than enough to finish the story and everything

[plain swan]

feeling just slightly vengeful
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503661108096401430/1464280662906372229/20FB121.JPG?ex=6974e523&is=697393a3&hm=b7488461c492cf109172549de569e5e269ff8d0066e481b7a1c73bc1d4b6b7f5&

[rustic vale]

In the grand scheme of Hades? Not rlly

[rotund tangle]

I'm at like 115 and am maxing the keepsakes away from moving on to Hades II

Am concerned about how much I'll enjoy that game given that there apparently isn't a shield though lol could easily see myself bouncing between the games

[high onyx]

curious what y'alls favorite songs from the ost are

(mine are on the coast n lament of orpheus)

[lavish sorrel]

any of on the coast / god of the dead / the unseen ones / lament of orpheus probably for me

[feral patio]

Final Expense (Payback Mix) is my fav

Also I just got 4 duo boons in one run

Heart Rend, Exclusive Access, Low Tolerance, and Sweet Nectar.

Which then I took Pressure Points on level 9

[toxic trellis]

In The Blood genuinely got me teary-eyed the first time I heard it, so probably that, just based on emotional value

Also a big fan of The Exalted

[toxic trellis]

Seconded on all of these

[slim flame]

Agree with both of these!

[high onyx]

on the coast is just so magical n perfectly fits seeing the surface for the first time

[feral patio]

I’m so sad that you can’t visit Mum’s house after 10 visits

[high onyx]

yeah

though it does make the visits more special

[little lark]

Finally someone who thinks the same

It really is just the Shotgun Shield™

[little lark]

I was under the impression that people had like, an average of 500 hours on here

[latent moon]

That's bc they keep playing after finishing the story lmao

[rustic vale]

Because there’s like 6-8 veterans to balance out the maybe 5-10 new gamers that speak on a given day

it averages out to probably 500 hrs person if not higher

[old bluff]

I mean, me and Alex combined have 4500 hours

So it’s probably a little more than 500 on average lmao

[rustic vale]

My negative 3000 hours balance it out

[old bluff]

My goat

[shadow marlin]

just skipped homer’s dialogue by mistake and he went “well i never!” i’m sorry homer

[little lark]

Artemis' Call is basically an execution skill

Press F to pay respects

[rustic vale]

Press f to pay respects for Arte call

rip

[plain swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503661108096401430/1464474175073812591/20825D1.JPG?ex=6975995b&is=697447db&hm=83bded77422b6a0f577ff01b01a6b130ff6cc13134c6968b55139d573498d992&

[rotund tangle]

The absolute dream with Trippy Flare Beowulf

Hera too

[plain swan]

had to give up my Tidal Dash to buy the guaranteed spawn but it paid for itself

[rotund tangle]

Damn already had Mirage Shot too so good

[rustic vale]

Lowkey selling tdash on beo isn’t even that much of a sacrifice

[plain swan]

it's Hera, actually

[rustic vale]

Yup

I definitely checked

[latent moon]

even so selling tdash on hera still isn't that much of a sacrifice lmao

[feral patio]

Same could be said for Aphro

Ugh I love using nuclear bomb abilities on Theseus

[rustic vale]

I just got flashbanged by the thought that both of these opinions were mine at some point 3-4 years ago

[feral patio]

I mean Aphro max call is 2500 damage but the normal call is just useless

If it did like anything else it would probably be really good

But you might as well just use Than or something instead

[rustic vale]

Meg really

both arte and aphro get so far cleared by an equal amount of call gauge used by zeus or dio it’s silly

[feral patio]

I haven’t used Meg’s yet

[rustic vale]

Than but the speed is way faster and between that and the aoe pattern it lets you do set-ups to hit a bunch of enemies you wouldn’t normally be able to

Like armour shredding all 4 witches within like 3 seconds of the encounter

[feral patio]

Oh

I hate that encountered

[rustic vale]

unironically cuts down the encounter time by like 75%

at least

[feral patio]

Oh wow

I like Than for just phase skipping

Theseus just gets nuked

[rustic vale]

it’s a difference of 500 damage: 2500 versus 3000

Like

[feral patio]

Oh

[rustic vale]

you can deal that 500 in the time difference

[feral patio]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

plus since it’s nearly instant you’re never really worried about enemies leaving the aoe

[feral patio]

About to try out Aspect of Beowulf any boons I should go for?

[rustic vale]

mirage shot is bugged on 5/8 casts to do 100% of the damage

so a typical build shoots for it since it’s literally just double damage

the phenomenal casts are pos, dio and aphro in that order

charged shot hammer makes your bull-rush use the base shield charge speed so its way faster + a base damage increase to your rush and pierces shields

[feral patio]

Oh ok

I’ll slap Pos keepsake on then

Art special then?

[rustic vale]

You can really use any of the 5 that are affected by the duo, the other 3 are nigh unusable regardless ngl

arte strike

[feral patio]

Oh ok

[rustic vale]

the aspect already has built-in +% for your bullrushes anyways

[feral patio]

Oh

[rustic vale]

so you might occasionally pop-off with a crit on loaded bullrushes

[rustic vale]

From the levelling effect

+% damage and size for rushes when at least one cast is loaded

[feral patio]

I don’t have it leveled I just need it for quests 😵‍💫

[rustic vale]

even at base like

might as well run arte strike

[feral patio]

Throwing on Benefits Package 1 and Heightened Security since I need those as well for quests

[rustic vale]

BP can be fun

can also be hell

[feral patio]

I literally have no idea what’s going on when it’s on

Also got epic cast out the gate

And got Arti attack!

Would cast damage from chaos count for the shield bash?

Or would it be better to take rare boons

Got Mirage Shot!

[rustic vale]

No

But the bulk of your damage is coming from casts

So you want cast-stones and cast damahe

[feral patio]

Oh ok

I won

Idk this wasn’t my favourite build

I guess I prefer more instances of damage over one big chunk of it

I got the Decathlete title whatever that is

[autumn jewel]

it's given when you get a 10 streak

[little lark]

I adore Theseus' dialogue

Has anyone here ever tried an attack speed build?

[plain swan]

There's not much to build for

Either you get the Hermes boon or you don't

[rotund tangle]

I hated on Charged Shot for so long, finally picked it up again cause I thought it might be good for Beowulf with Stygian Soul, and got my fastest clear with it lol

Everyone was right I guess

[mint coral]

😌

[rotund tangle]

Next time I get Charged Shot hammer in the first room I'm resetting and turning on 40 heat lol

[feral patio]

He just annoys me 😭😭

[rotund tangle]

My favorite is on EM3 when he's laughing like a maniac lol

[little lark]

Changed Shot basically makes the shield a bow that can block

Which is insane

[rotund tangle]

Yeah I hated it for a long time when I used only the shield because basically the only way I knew how to move was to bull rush, now that I've used the other weapons and also am maining Beowulf where movement without the rush is key because it's so slow, I can actually use it lol

[little lark]

I mained Beowulf for a while

Not knowing why it was so hard to clear with it

When it's arguably the highest DPS shield

Then I switched to the Chaos form

For some reason I have more clears with it than all the other forms

Which is odd because like

The Chaos form is not that good as a lot of people would say

[rotund tangle]

Maybe cause you're used to Zagreus Shield? Since it kinda plays similarly? I kinda went straight from only using Zag Shield to only using Beowulf and forced myself to get used to it

I think I only have 1 clear each with Chaos and Zeus

[feral patio]

I lowkey don’t like the shield

I’ve tried all aspects

The playstyle is just very slow

[little lark]

That's what I thought with the Bow

Then I just kept playing it

And now it's my best weapon despite not being my main

Lmao

[feral patio]

I have most clears on fists but my fastest clear is on spear

[vagrant fog]

I showed my wife some gameplay. She found it odd that Zagreus sounds like he is always down to bone

I had not picked up on that

[feral patio]

Well

It’s based on Greek mythology

So… fork found in kitchen

[rustic vale]

Tbf though it’s so easy to go so wrong on bow

Not dash-striking makes it so atrocious that you’d be convinced its some slow long ranged weapon

[vagrant fog]

You aren't wrong

Also, stupid, sexy Korb?

[vivid mason]

ever since i maxed chiron ever other aspect has felt so boring to use D:

[rustic vale]

I mean if you’re looking for stronger aspects because you feel like you’re steamrolling I think I can name like at least 10 aspects that are more effective (speed or heatwise)

[frozen lion]

My fastest clear is on Gilgamesh fists

[rustic vale]

Chiron tends to work well because of it’s really low skill floor to use it but it’s a really slow aspect compared to a lot of other ones

I mean my two fastest aren’t even with the speed aspects for their respective weapons

zag rail and zag bow (7:43 and 7:46 respectively) where my hera and eris times are each like 20-50 seconds slower.

[vivid mason]

well not like saying its super strong its just funnest to use

makes the others feel boring

[frozen lion]

Rama bow is more fun, trust

[vivid mason]

but i also only have like 3 maxed so :p

[rustic vale]

What about it makes it so fun for you? I could recommend others w/ similiar gamestyles

[vivid mason]

interesting i only unlocked it never done a srs run w/ it

[vivid mason]

ummmm

[vivid mason]

1 click and 12 arrows shoot and chase is rly cool also the fact that it relies on the attack is to hit ummm

and just fun in general :D

[frozen lion]

Rama is similar. Except that you tag all the enemies and then do massive damage to them all with 1 shot

Bonus points if you put doom effects on special

[vivid mason]

icic i shall finish this run and try rama then

what would u put on special

[rustic vale]

typically zeus

[vivid mason]

for chrion i had hangover spec doom atk

[rustic vale]

or ares

doom strike for chiron?

I guess it isn’t sooo bad if you’re mainly using the special

[vivid mason]

yea cus my thought process is im only gna use the atk once then spam spec 3 times

then by that time the doom reset

but i also had some insane runs with doom specials doing 900 per doom proc

[frozen lion]

I usually go for ares special and aphro attack

[rustic vale]

I’m so biased towards weak since it makes much better use of the bow strike while getting you a better duo

for your hangover

[vivid mason]

never thought of that ill try aphro next

[rustic vale]

it also means you’ll be killing a fair few of the weaker enemies without needing to even hit your special which any time save is nice on chiron

with how long your special takes

[vivid mason]

i feel like doom did that too

[vast raven]

any of the flat damage specials work for the most part

[rustic vale]

It’s a difference of them living another 1.1 seconds but I think a solid doom does add up to more total damage without twin shot so I’d be willing to hear the arguement

[vivid mason]

true

[marsh bloom]

I Just find out in an IG short video that in Hade there is an hidden scene with Thanatos, Megaera and Zagreus...

🫥

[vivid mason]

so for rama if 3 enemies have shared suffering and i hit 2 of them will the 3rd receive 2x the dmg or just count as 1?

[vast raven]

shared suffering is multiplicative between enemies

[little lark]

The more muscle memory I learned, the better the Bow became

[rustic vale]

I think they’re asking whether multiple enemies hit with the same arrow proc as many shared sufferings on affected enemies

[rustic vale]

It’s just a rhythm game when used properly

[little lark]

I love how they incorporated an audio and visual cue

[vivid mason]

just did a run struggled a bit, felt i relied on the doom from the spec more cus the attk was hard to time but it was pretty fun needa get used to it :p also think i had bad boon luck

[vivid mason]

yea i tested it and it counts as 1

woulda been cool if it pooled all the attk into 1 but sounds too strong

[frozen lion]

The attack on Rama bow takes longer to charge up than the other aspects, so it does take some getting used to
And sometimes it's worthwhile to let loose a partially charged shot for the sake of damage avoidance

[vivid mason]

yea found myself doing that a lot

[little lark]

Yeah, after all, you can't deal damage if you're dead

[frozen lion]

Actually, I deal 22% more damage when I'm dead because of a boon!

[rustic vale]

Lowkey like

I’m pretty sure it can in some circumstances

I think that’s how Lernie is cleared so fast

[primal compass]

People who run Aphrodite, convince me

[frozen lion]

High damage and busted duo boons. The actual weak effect is kinda meh

[vivid mason]

i might have been mislead im looking at a screenshot i took

i think it does pool

[frozen lion]

There's also a boon that increases damage against weak-affected foes

[vivid mason]

it does pool :o

[rustic vale]

Highest +% strike and special coupled with a rather crippling debuff and a handful of really potent duos (smouldering air lets you spam strong dps or defence minicalls, heart rend is crucial for crit buillds, and sweet nectar is never a bad option to pom your good stuff harder)

[frozen lion]

Also, aphro aid greater call is basically a cthonic companion use

[rustic vale]

The weak effect isn’t meh it’s a rather potent effect it lets you live 44% longer against inflicted targets

Couple it with hyper sprint for a full 51% damage reduction

ok you take a little under half the damage

[rustic vale]

Aphro aid is like the weakest part of her kit ngl

sure it may be like a cthonic companion use but it’s wildly inefficient for damage compared to zeus or dio call

[vivid mason]

https://giphy.com/gifs/stardust-br8dqCCmLppvO

[feral patio]

Sweet Surrender = More Damage

[feral patio]

Got to the prologue!!!

[plain swan]

just found out Flaring Spin has hitstun and i'm having more fun than i have any right to

[plain swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503661108096401430/1464865076702875886/208FC01.JPG?ex=6977056a&is=6975b3ea&hm=247a006284ad59a4b37a28462716515206d84d7bcb1a8f493279947e9f2da702&

already?????

[primal compass]

Which would make a bigger difference, Urge to Kill + lvl 2 Frost Strike or Curse of Vengeance + Lvl 2 FS? Both Ares boons are rare

[rustic vale]

What weapon is this

/aspect as well

[primal compass]

Zag shield no titan blood

[rustic vale]

Curse of Vengeance

If you had charged shot I’d maybe consider urge to kill here

But even then that’s still like a heavy maybe

[primal compass]

Thanks, I’m trying to learn how to actually make good builds rather than just go with my main

[rustic vale]

so highkey

this decision right here then?

99/100 times this decision isn’t that huge of a deal

[rustic vale]

I’m trying to impart my wisdom here but I’m more than a tad bit sleep deprived and it’s getting to me

nice

[primal compass]

Mood

[rustic vale]

Like the toss up when you have charged shot is actually having the base damage per second to throw around that the +13% from a rare urge to kill might actually add up over a run

on the other hand it’s like +9-10 damage per charged shot when most enemies aren’t taking that many charged shots it’s not exactly pushing the needle to less charged shots needed for most enemies unless they’re bosses

160? base damage from a rare curse of vengeance is pretty massive especially as an aoe after you get hit

That’s like 16 urge to kills worth of charged shots on a boss

especially when curse of vengeance poms a ton better

[primal compass]

I see

[rustic vale]

that’s my 2 cents rn

Curse of vengeance rare lvl 1 is 120 not 160 misremembered but principle still stands

plus first pom is a rather chunky amount iirc

<@&456908176877551658>

dang fastest mod in the west

actually given the time of day very possibly not in the west

[karmic trellis]

i actually do live in the west :3

i am just sleep deprived

[rustic vale]

Same

At this point it’s like do I really trust myself to wake up to my alarm in 3 hours if I do let myself sleep

[rotund tangle]

Why is Beowulf eligible for Curse of Drowning lol

It's so stupid with it

[rustic vale]

Great question lmao

bootleg mirage shot atp

[rotund tangle]

It's basically Snow Burst that triggers after the Bull Rush but with water and doom

So bad but it was kinda fun I guess

[plain swan]

Why is Curse of Drowning

[rotund tangle]

I hadn't gotten a 5-sack in 120 hours of playing, got 2 in my last 3 runs lol good thing it was during random keepsake leveling up runs so they were actually beneficial

Got a weird bug after defeating EM Alecto, where the chamber reward didn't come out until I stepped on a spike trap and took some damage

[cerulean kayak]

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Pov: Enemies in Hades when they see Zagreus

[restive kestrel]

chat how do I get riptide from Poseidon I'm going bananas, I keep getting his call and then ANY other boon except riptide

And I need it for the prophecy

[jovial flicker]

just get his call then luck

[restive kestrel]

🥀

This game wants me to end myself

[jovial flicker]

try to fill up core slots as well

for a higher chance

[rustic vale]

Make sure your core slots (strike special cast dash) are filled and take razor shoals for best odds

[restive kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[rustic vale]

since otherwise the cores will always take a priority slot and the shoals will take a priority slot 50% of the time

Narrowing the amount of options that the game can freely roll into riptide

[jovial flicker]

if your cores are filled and you dont have shoals id still reroll tho

[restive kestrel]

Will update if I find it

[rustic vale]

Status curse boons like shoals do this so

hunters mark from artemis and blinding flash from athena and static discharge from zeus also have this priority stealing 50% of the time

[dusky solar]

i just got three duo boons in one offering

[dusky solar]

that run went very well

ill put it in victory boasting

[feral patio]

Omg I was just 1 second off a new record

Also got legendary Ares and Demeter in the same run

It’s so peak

WITHER AND DIE

Ugh making Theseus instantly explode and him saying “what how??” Is so funny

[plain swan]

Bouldy knew I was doing a meme run
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[feral patio]

I just realized that someone really popped Demeter’s Greater Call on the US this past week 😭😭

[real loom]

thanatos doing literally everything in his power to run away every time i see him so i can't max out his relationship

[agile wren]

REAL

every time i see him lately its only when he helps on runs or when he's (rarely) in the house but i cant talk to him cause he's either talking to someone else or im just unable to gift him 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

the game is not giving me the chance 💔

[feral patio]

“I’m late”

Nyx refuses to tell me where Achilles contract is because she won’t shut up about Chaos, Meg, Than, the fates, Hades, Persephone, and the Olympian’s

[orchid yew]

Is this game built around 2 dashes or is it better to have 1 dash cause of the damage bonus.

[vast raven]

game is most definitely built around 2 dashes

(it depends slightly on aspect, but mono dash can be fine if you’re say shield bc you just have a second dash pretty much)

[rustic vale]

The damage bonus isn’t nearly enough to compensate for doing half as many dash-strikes on nearly every weapon

[lavish sorrel]

AND recieving double the iframes and movement. RR could be a viable option in some cases if the dodge and damage bonus were like +70% or higher.

[rustic vale]

Besides the defensive and mobility uses

Eh

Higher

[orchid yew]

But on bow to dash strike and perfectly time the shot, u can only dash strike once

[rustic vale]

Yeah but having a second dash immediately after

[orchid yew]

W 2 dashes u won’t be hitting more yeah?

[rustic vale]

or hitting flurry

[lavish sorrel]

this plus an epic second wind already gives you 90-something % dodge, and using zagfists with thay maxes you out, tfym higher

[rustic vale]

The damage and dodge chance don’t need to be absolutely the samepL

[orchid yew]

Is it global damage on RR or nah

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[orchid yew]

Then that’s big isn’t it?

I honestly don’t get the benefit of 2 dashes if u can j iframe everything

[rustic vale]

2 reasons

1. you still have 2 dashes for defense, movement, and hitting a second tidal dash on enemies in styx
2. you aren’t going to be near missing every single time you go in for a dash-strike so the uptime on rr isn’t that crazy rither

[lavish sorrel]

• most weapons use multiple dashes in their optimal damage-rotation
• tidal dash
• consistent iframes
• you are NOT iframing everything with just 50% dodge (though it obviously helps)
• you are NOT activating RR consistently enough to have full uptime

[rustic vale]

Half as many dash strikes on a ton of weapons is super mid

Massive dps down

[lavish sorrel]

in the whole speedrunning and challenge-running community, there is a SINGLE high-level player who regularly plays monodash outside of fresh file scenarios and the shields/hestia. It's a quite unconventional thing to do, as you lose out on a bunch of privileges Greatest Reflex normally gives you (listed above).

it is fully possible to achieve great things monodash, but it's significantly tighter-execution / RNG-heavy.

[vast raven]

out of curiousity, wouldnt zeus shield actually have a 100% uptime or close to on RR because of when and how you incorperate your dash into the damage cycle and how little it benefits from a second dash in terms of heat play

[lavish sorrel]

in my experience (the little RR zeus I've played), I always ended up getting it a quarter of the time outside of bosses, and like 50% of the time on bosses. Blocks (and hits during the bullrush) do not trigger RR, only dash iframes. it's however definitely better than greatest reflex on zeus, since, as you stated, heat zeus benefits little from a bonus dash and ends up neglecting it.

[vast raven]

i’ll maybe play it a bit more to vibe how it feels👍

[lavish sorrel]

maybe I am skill issued, very possible

[magic iris]

Curious, how long did it take yall to get your first escape?

[rustic vale]

50

on the dot iirc

[magic iris]

I think mine was 35

[rustic vale]

if you’re fishing for the average it’s anywhere between 20-80

I’be seen seen as low as 12 more recently thou

[orchid yew]

Mine was 19 I believe

[orchid yew]

Bazurah

[rustic vale]

“maybe I am skilled” -Fresh file streaker

Oh I can’t read

[vague wing]

Oh, for fecund's sake. I can't map "aim" to the left thumbstick? I'm stuck aiming with the movement thumbstick!?

[rustic vale]

Wait what games use the right stick for movement? huh?

[vague wing]

Oh my GODS, does it suck not being able to aim independently of movement!

[vague wing]

Whoops. I meant the right thumbstick. I wish I were able to aim with the right thumbstick.

[vague wing]

Everything makes so much more sense now: why the the player cannot move whe firing the Adamant Rail or channeling ranged Casts in Hades 2!

That really sucks!

[rustic vale]

Tbf

This is why literally every weapon is stationary while attacking

and why dash-striking is so powerful in Hades

I know Hades 2 is far less dash focused

[vague wing]

No, the player is still able to move when attacking with the Shield of Chaos & Twin Fists, that I know. It's specifically why it's that much more a lurch when the Adamant Rail doesn't allow for such.

[rustic vale]

? You mean the like 0.1 seconds you have of movement between combos and tiny forward movement fists gives?

[old bluff]

hey, you can scoot in that short time span

[rustic vale]

shield doesn’t have combos so it’s just movement between your individual strikes

[old bluff]

just saying

[rustic vale]

All the melee weapons do have a gap between their combos where you can move a little and they also do a teeny bit of forward movement as part of the combo I guess

Bow actually has the same if you have flurry shot (every 3 shots) since it’s functionally just a reloadp

where you get that little walk

I guess rail is pretty stationary in that sense I just don’t think about it like that bc I’m always dashing

[vague wing]

Frankly, the worst part about this is having to flick the thumbstick to to fro when using Coronacht & Adamant Rail.

Now I see why Croshaw disliked the Adamant Rail.

By the way, how good is Aspect of Hades?

[old bluff]

very meh

[rustic vale]

You get used to it if you use it enough tbh like

You’re aiming with stick for literally every weapon

[vague wing]

That's what I concluded when I tried it out. A shame.

Guess there isn't exactly an increased channel speed boon in Hades 1, eh?

[rustic vale]

If you want to do a spin build achilles is right there

The trade off between 150% attack boost w/ achilles and a 30% radius increase w/ Hades

+150% from achilles mogs Hades spear so hard

[vague wing]

How unfortunate that Achilles' spear looks... not beautiful.

[rustic vale]

It’s fine? at worst?

I think it looks solid

Hades definitely looks a tad better thou

[vague wing]

Achilles' Spear is the one I favored too in my first-ever file.

[rustic vale]

Understandably

It’s strong

Throw flurry jab on it and you’re winning

[old bluff]

serrated lovers in shambles

[rustic vale]

Serrated lovers can go back to GY

and Hades spear

i’m a huge fan of 90 base damage dash-strikes on GY but the dash range down is highkey atrocious

[vague wing]

How valuable are rare boons over common?

Does equipping Spiked Collar grant + for the rest of the run similar to Silver Wheel?

[old bluff]

no, you will lose the extra hp when you take it off

and rare boons are not super important on most boons

some matter more than others, like ares' doom attack

which jumps from 50 damage at common to 100 at epic

[rustic vale]

Really depends on the boon

Pom scaling and rarity scaling aren’t uniform across boons so some have wicked scaling for one (tidal dash pol scaling) and not the other, some have wicked scaling for both (doom scaling) and some just suck and it doesn’t really mattero

or some are artemis strike with trash scaling but the main thing that matters is the crit chance so it’s good on the builds that have the additive to use it

[plain swan]

The ones that matter the least for rarity are any boons with hangover and Pressure Points, since pom scaling just doesn't give out on those

[vague wing]

What a shame. I didn't remember what the alternate upgrade was for Boiling Blood, but I had hoped it would compliment Shot boons that remove the ability to bind onto an enemy. It isn't. No wonder why I so vehemently avoided Dionysus & Demeter's Shot boons.

[plain swan]

yeah, it's a huge rip

Dionysus shot at least has some really good pairings

[vague wing]

Tell a lie. I did enjoy Dionysus' Shot when I mained Hera.

Oh yeah. And Ares' Shot.

Also, holy crap. So many slot boons encourage high fire rate. Am I glad Supergiant added Blitz.

[rotund tangle]

Playing fists makes my left hand's fingers hurt lol, always dashing

[rustic vale]

Yeah ares is really solid on any regular damage bonus castpect

[plain swan]

Lovely day for capitalism
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had Aphrodite reward in one of the tunnels too

[lavish sorrel]

Welcome to Hades. If dashing is what is causing your fingers to hurt, I have some genuine questions about the amount of dashes you do when playing other weapons. Every weapon uses multiple dashes in its best damage-cycle.

[sharp zinc]

chat is getting skelly's second statue in 30 escapes yay or mid

[lavish sorrel]

gamer

(Oh wait, I misread, I thought you meant "runs since save file creation". Still decent though, since clears usually start flooding in after the first one!)

[sharp zinc]

oh i meant runs since file creation

the little pool thing says escapes

oh its escape attemps lol

mb gng

though ive only been using one weapon

i'd send a picture of the run but i dont have perms yet lol

[lavish sorrel]

Gamer 👍

[lavish sorrel]

(One never gets image perms in here. Send the image somewhere else (image-hosting service or a private discord server only you can access), then share the link to the image)

[sharp zinc]

Damn

I wanted to share the really satisfying screenshot of heat 16 on a 10 streak at run 30 😔

All round numbers

[lavish sorrel]

You can still do that! Just need to post the image somewhere else

(Or, since you're proud of what you have done, post the image in #h1-victory-boasting where images can be posted directly)

[vague wing]

Boy, do I welcome the addition of Obol points in Hades 2.

Then again, Hades 1 has a far simpler currency system, so it's far easier for bad runs to provide meta currency.

[balmy quail]

Morning

[balmy quail]

Also discovered a monster I don’t like fighting at all

[rustic vale]

[vague wing]

Does Zeus' Strike/Flourish have a cooldown period before its able to damage the same enemy???

Or... is it because I have Chaos' Flourish, it looks like Zeus' Flourish isn't dealing much DMG?

[old bluff]

this

it has an internal cooldown