h1-discussion

[lavish pond]

ill give this a go and decide if i wanna fold and go down a bit

[worn nova]

Chamber 7 sea storm

Hehe

[lavish pond]

do i miss out on dialogues if increase heat to this level from jump instead of gradually increasing it

[mint coral]

Nah

There's some dialogue for certain amount of heat/certain pacts

[lavish pond]

yeah noticed one with meg\

[mint coral]

But the dialogues will never disappear per say

[lavish pond]

Mm

[mint coral]

If there's one for like 10 heat but you got one for 20 heat, the 10 heat dialogue will just play at a later time

(just examples)

[lavish pond]

got it

[mint coral]

It may look a bit funny at most if she's talking about how you finally raise the heat but already killed her at like 25 lol

[lavish pond]

lol

[lavish pond]

did it!

got lucky with boons

was very fun

time limit didnt seem like a problem honestly but maybe its cuz i got good offensive boons

[rancid agate]

Heyyy suppp

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

Time limit isn’t a problem if you have a half-decent mix of mechanical and building skills

You have to really kick up the heat high for it to become a problem

[lavish pond]

Mm

[untold latch]

I thought I’d ask here since this is the community of the game.

Let’s say theoretically I wanted to do everything possible in hades. Like everything including the security rank.

But here’s the catch, I have to do it on God Mode, then A seperate save file on Normal Mode, then another speeate save file on Hell Mode.

How long would that take?

[stiff obsidian]

man 1 run is all it takes to remind me why i dont play

[stiff obsidian]

why would you want to do it on three different saves though

[untold latch]

For all 3 difficulties.

Even though there’s only 2 I guess you could count not turning any mode on as a separate difficulty

[stiff obsidian]

hell mode isnt much of a difficulty it just adds 5 heat to your first runs

and godmode is more of an assist than difficulty

evne for a completionist doing the same thing three times is pretty absurd

[untold latch]

I’m bored asf

[stiff obsidian]

have you beaten the game yet?

[untold latch]

Yeah

Twice

[stiff obsidian]

oh so was that more like a hypothetical or were you actually planning to do that

[untold latch]

Just hypothetically. I just thought that imagine having to do the unseen one grind 3 times

[stiff obsidian]

would you consider 64 heat under 'everything in the game'

[rustic vale]

Probably at least 1000 hours

[stiff obsidian]

i have 2k hours and havent even reached unseen one x2

[untold latch]

I mean I guess so. That would add tons of time

[untold latch]

Oh damn alright

[stiff obsidian]

64 heat with every aspect?

[rustic vale]

Doing everything else while getting the darkness for Unseen One is probably only 300 hours per save if you’re darkness farming every spare run

[untold latch]

Yeah. Instantly hundreds more hours added right there

[rustic vale]

but darkness farming gets old really fast

[untold latch]

Agreed but yt in the background always helps me

[rustic vale]

64 heat would probably make it 3k hours minimum 🥀

[stiff obsidian]

infinite cuz idk if its possible

[untold latch]

I mean what about 32 heat on every aspect

[untold latch]

Dayum

[stiff obsidian]

32 heat on every aspect would add 0 time since you. can just do that while grinding unseen one

man i got to let go of this game for good

i keep installing after seeing ppl play and then uninstall after a run

[vast raven]

isnt possible unless you play with slow igt time dilation 👍

[elder tulip]

had my strongest run yet with bow and hades decided to Not Fight

genuinely disappointed i was looking forward to annihilating his ahh

wait this is the credits

😭😭😭

[mint coral]

Classic

[elder tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1359755272637255900.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[rustic vale]

If you’re already doing unseen one then 32 heat with every aspect can just be done during that process

[elder tulip]

ORPHEUS AND EURYDICE ARE GOING CRAZY

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1088050147080032287.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[mint coral]

Either you get a crazy build and can't use it or you go there with 1 hp left

[lavish sorrel]

the time dilation ™ challenge

[worn nova]

Bruh I'm just trying to max gift ppl and the game making my go on a friggen date with dusa

Like

Wha

[urban storm]

why do people say em4 is bad for ur first 32 heat run(s)? like ive seen people saying to use lc4 instead w/ stubborns but em4 is way better imo, its basically just learning a few more attack patterns which didnt take me that long. i beat my first few 32 heat runs recently with em4 so i was just wondering

[mint coral]

Making it all the way through the run to practice super dad ain't too fun

The adjustment for lc4 + stubborn is less intense,
Em4 is also a time sink for bad sack rng runs

Em4 also snowballs harder with other pacts

We keep recommending lc4 + stubborn cuz is been a trusted result basically every time is recommended

Or people winning after turning em4 off

[latent moon]

Also the first phase of em4 is brutal

[mint coral]

Em4 isn't generally played until the 55 heat~ range if that shows anything

[latent moon]

50 minimum

But you can get away with not doing em4 at 50 if you wanted to

[mint coral]

Learn super dad or pray a bit more for builds lol

[latent moon]

At 32, the thing about em4 is that your build isn't gonna be super juiced and you probably won't have as much hp as you'd like

And not to mention whatever other modifiers you have on

[urban storm]

50 minimum???

[latent moon]

It's still like totally doable ofc

[urban storm]

goddamn

[latent moon]

But like

Most people do it without em4

[latent moon]

Yeah lmao

[mint coral]

I did 45 with em4 and it was harder than my em3 50

Fight hard

[latent moon]

Tbf 45 -> 49 is just adding em4 so like

Basically vaguely 45

[mint coral]

There's also the whole mental aspect of messing up lmfao

Rng summon fun too

[urban storm]

interesting

maybe its cause im semi new(? not new but i cant really do high heats yet) but em4 always seemed like the intuitive choice to me for 32. tbf tho idk if my pact for 32 was necessarily good

[latent moon]

Tbf em3 is a good choice and makes sense

Em4 isn't lmao

[mint coral]

Tbh~~~ at the end of the day is still 32? If that makes any sense

You can still roll into a stupid safe build

[latent moon]

Normal heroes to em3 is still hard but not as brutal as normal dad to em4

[latent moon]

Also this yeah

[mint coral]

And I can see the appeal of just get the boons™ over more parts of the run being annoying

[latent moon]

You can still get a speedrun build basically

[mint coral]

Is like the more understandable version of ap/ri at 32

[latent moon]

Flashback to the Redditor who said to take ri3 at 32 heat

[mint coral]

🗿

[urban storm]

wait so whats even a good 32 heat pact lol? ive been using hl1, lc1, em4, bp2, mm, uc, fo1, dc2 (only cause ive been using chiron which just erases it), and td3

[rustic vale]

Tbh you don’t even fully do lc4 hl5, but there are a lot of lighter pacts that em4 for 32

Dc2 on chiron is interesting ngl

[urban storm]

hm? how so? for me it seemed obvious cause ur firing so many arrows w special that youll still kill your enemy with no issue

[rustic vale]

If you’re fully crutching on the special I understand it’s just a little disappointing 🥀

The opening shot from bow is a solid chunk even if you aren’t mainly focused on it

[urban storm]

fair. i dont always play with dc on so i know what you mean. is there another pact youd recommend taking instead?

[rustic vale]

It’s been so long since I ran heat instead of speedrunning I’d probably just recommend either reading the 32 heat guide or taking a look at the recommended pact (both are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies ) since 32 is the like first threshold for high heat

[urban storm]

ohh fair. lowk speedrunning is super cool to me. could never do it tho, im way too slow, have no clue how people beat this game in 5-7 minutes </3 and thanks man, ive never checked it out (only learned there was a hades dc recently lolol). thx again

[fervent radish]

EM4 is fine, you can still get a cracked build without AP or RI

[harsh hatch]

Are chaos boons multiplicative or additive?

[vast raven]

they behave like any other god's boon, they are additive

[harsh hatch]

Ah okay

I got a run where I got 70% cast dmg bonus twice from chaos so I was wondering if it was 140 percent more 490% well the latter seems absurd tbh so yeah

[rustic vale]

1.7*1.7 wouldn’t be 490% anyways

[harsh hatch]

Yeah sorry mb brainfart

[rustic vale]

The only multiplicative things in Hades are movement speed boosts, trap damage boosts and damage reduction btw

And *crits but that asterisk is important

since it’s (base damage)*(1+sum of relevant additive +%)*(1+sum of crit damage +%)

So crits do multiply the damage instead of adding, but crit damage +%’s are additive with each other

[exotic cliff]

And crit damage defaults at +200%, right?

I finally got around to looking at my first win on my first playthrough. It was run #25 with Zag Shield and Lambent Plume. Sounds like fun.

[mint coral]

Correct

[elder tulip]

was doing nicely with guan yu in elysium

then lost all my revives in the mini boss room in the span of 40 seconds

[rustic vale]

Was it bball or asterius

[elder tulip]

not even the ball, that one melted
the freaking adds just destroyed my entire bloodline

[rustic vale]

I mean

if he melted then there shouldn’t’ve been adds

[elder tulip]

they spawn alongside it, i ignored them thinking I'll easily wipe them out even after they regenerate but no i was floored

oh you know what, i had middle management activated lmao

[snow cloak]

I'm just doing my first 32 heat run again and holy damn i forgot how hard Elysium was

Got all the way to Theseus though so I'm chuffed with that, hopefully it will better than my last time doing 32 heat

Last time I did it I died to Hades 3 times 😭

[snow cloak]

Omg why did I not go for that mirror thing that gives you more gold rooms

I literally have a full merciful end build and I'm not even at meg yet

[rustic vale]

[elder tulip]

and I'm over here getting my butt handed to me on 5 heat 🙏💔

[vast raven]

you get better with time and uh lots of learned experience

[elder tulip]

will i ever find elysium easier

every enemy there is a problem

[snow cloak]

It gets better man don't worry, don't let people on high heat deter you from ever getting there, it's just trial and error man

And to answer your question I personally only really struggle with flame wheel (the little chariots) and great shields

But Elysium prolly has the toughest enemies imo

[vast raven]

ely will always be a kinda bad especially at the higher heats sadly but learning the patterns

flame wheels can be annoying but worse are chariots and yeah greatshields suck

chariots are bad bc they dont have a well defined “start” for their hit boxes

[vast raven]

also id personally argue that while that is true in most cases, styx nonminiboss chambers can be utter hell

[lavish sorrel]

4-/5-sack (derogatory)

[vast raven]

spoken from experience 🥀

[snow cloak]

I agree with that!

Although please take whatever I say with a grain of salt I'm nothing compared to most people in here 😭

On Hades on 32 heat, wish me luck chat

I only have 2 death defiances left :despair:

[vast raven]

nah majority of ppl are like you! its just that the majority of the active ppl here have played a lot more

[snow cloak]

Death

We did reach 3rd stage though so that's pretty 🔥

[rustic vale]

also lots of asming questions

[elder tulip]

i hate that place so much

especially the satyrs and the freaking laser things

one is insta poison from offscreen and the other is cheap damage from offscreen

[vast raven]

using terrain and positioning (learned skills) can help with that, those arent the primary issue ones at least to me, big one are the large rats as they hit with hl5 for 50 damage a hit

and get bp2’d into slugger speeder? thats 100 damage rats that also can attack quickly

[snow cloak]

That sounds like hell what

I mean I guess that's where we are

But still wth

[vast raven]

it is👍

[snow cloak]

I'm low key excited once I start getting to 40 heat runs although I think once I get 32 heat imma max out the game first

[snow cloak]

Bruddah I just died to Hades again 😭

[rustic vale]

You’ll probably hit 40 heat before you max out a save file

[vast raven]

i mean it depends on what you mean as max save

[snow cloak]

Definitely not maxed out but get a couple of charms to max, get true ending, unlock weapon aspects yaddah yaddah

[vast raven]

also with how focused u get with high heat runs

[snow cloak]

Also what are Erebus gates and are they worth getting

I low key can't be bothered getting 5 diamonds together

[vast raven]

can be worth at high heat, they send you to erebus and if you clear the chamber damageless otherwise you get Onion! then you get a major reward (that is counted as a miniboss type reward) meaning poms give +2 levels, centaur heart gives +50hp, coins give +200 gold, and boons are given at a higher rarity chance

[rustic vale]

Meant ranks

[snow cloak]

What's onion 😭 is that the one thing I'm missing in the log book

[vast raven]

they have a minimum pact heat requirement to enter, ones in tartarus have a minimum of 5, asphodel is 10, ely is 15

[vast raven]

heal 1 (one) hp!

[snow cloak]

Oh I'm never maxing that out been told that requires 400 runs minimum

[vast raven]

idk man as someone with over 5000 its not that bad

[snow cloak]

Bruddah 😭

[vast raven]

i still dont have it lol

[snow cloak]

I think I've got 200 runs split on both my saves, 132 on first and 53 on this one

[snow cloak]

How many ranks are there

I just looked

I am never getting that, the hell they mean 300k darkness 😭

[rustic vale]

50

I’m at 49/50 and I got my 40 heat clear like 100 hours ago

[vast raven]

yeah i just recently got to 49 myself actually

[snow cloak]

GG on 40 heat!

[rustic vale]

Yeah I’m glad I got it before I cooked myself by speedrunning

I can’t do 32 heat anymore

🥀

[vast raven]

do 50 heat speeds

/j

[rustic vale]

I need to unlearn my overly aggressive playstyle

to go back to heat

[snow cloak]

I think I need to unlearn that as well, fists are just naturally overly aggressive I feel 😭

[rustic vale]

This is definitely a real category

[vast raven]

(they are actually really fun tho)

its kinda funny

[rustic vale]

Everybody and their mom speedruns 50 heat 🥀 I’d be one in a krillion fr fr

[vast raven]

i tried doing 32h speeds and i kept on dying lmao

smthn that

just didnt happen when i was doing 50h speeds

[rustic vale]

I have so much respect for the people that speedrun the high heat categories bc I could never

[vast raven]

idk i just click the funny shield and win

[snow cloak]

I have respect for speed runners in general

My thumb hurts after 3 runs 😭

[rustic vale]

Some aspects are a lot more button intense than others

[snow cloak]

Me who only ever runs aspect of Demeter fists:

[rustic vale]

As someone who’s been running every aspect recently

🥀

[vast raven]

also feeling better on kbm vs controller too

[rustic vale]

Sub9’ed one aspect on each weapon, then sub8’ed zag bow, then I went to sub10 every other aspect and uhhh

[snow cloak]

Is there any other difference besides comfortability and mods

[vast raven]

i mean mods for run consistency? but at high heat kbm does take a slight preference bc of the added control

but like not really outside of comfortablity for the majority of play

[snow cloak]

Oh I know what else kbm has

Hades 2 smdh

[latent moon]

You can still use controller for hades 2

[snow cloak]

I don't think my laptop could run Hades 2

I've avoided every bit of gameplay and any videos about it waiting for it to come out on console

[rustic vale]

I can’t imagine they took that much of a machine requirement hike from H1

And afaik h1 can run on anything

[snow cloak]

Couldn't tell you, my laptop turns into a jet just by having OBS open

[vast raven]

no its a lot more than h1

like a bit more than double the spec requirements 🥀

[rustic vale]

WHAT

[vast raven]

ya

[rustic vale]

how do you manage that

[vast raven]

the game is so much bigger than h1

also graphically much better

[indigo badge]

there's a ton of visual effects happening simultaneously

and it looks beautiful

at the cost of higher system requirement 🥀💔

[rustic vale]

Hades looks beautiful

[vast raven]

imagine like

[snow cloak]

BRO

I DIED TO HADES AGAIN

[vast raven]

2x tghe beauty then

[snow cloak]

3 times now man 😭

Actually throwing at this point

[vast raven]

nah u will get there

you're doing an em4 pact yeah?

[snow cloak]

I keep throwing in Elysium, get too aggressive with Theseus and he runs me over

[snow cloak]

Yeah

[vast raven]

what aspect/weapon?

[snow cloak]

Demeter fists

[indigo badge]

em4 with melee weapon 🥰

[vast raven]

right then, melee weapons do tend to struggle on em4 so like

dont get too mad about it

[snow cloak]

I love em4 it's the ultimate challenge and just makes the fight more satisfying

[vast raven]

same thing with em3

[snow cloak]

The thing is I don't really have a problem with em4 I tend to pass it frequently with fists, just 32 heat adds a level of nerves ig

I've done it before, I can do it again

[vast raven]

another thing, are you running stubborn or no?

maybe should move over to high heat strategies as well

[snow cloak]

Nah

[vast raven]

would recommend that heavily

[snow cloak]

I know I should buuuut I'm a dumb cookie

[vast raven]

allows for LC4

and you can still get stuff like athena DD refills for extra dds too

[snow cloak]

I will look into it tomorrow, I'm gonna sleep on it though it's 3am

[vast raven]

lose stubborn in chamber -> pick up the athena boon and as long as you have an athena core boon you can be offered her dds

[snow cloak]

I know my first 32h everyone was screaming at me

I had that one where traps do more damage and didn't even have maxed out Demeter

[rustic vale]

Even em3 with a melee weapons

I love when asterius decides it’s time for me to stop playing the game

[snow cloak]

So true especially when he's at like 1hp like bro just let me hit you, stop struggling

Y'all I found my 32 heat run and it's even worse than I imagined I to be

Level 2 Talos 😭

[rustic vale]

I had done all my bounties on all weaps by the time I did 32 heat

so I think all my weaps were maxed

[snow cloak]

I posted it in victory boasting if you want to make fun of me

[vast raven]

i still have yet to do all bounties 😭

[snow cloak]

Me too

Actually I still need to do a clear on bow, spear, rail and shield on this save, i just can't be bothered

[rustic vale]

2 of those are like the most goated weapons wdym

[vast raven]

im counting three??

[rustic vale]

I didn’t count shield

[snow cloak]

Shield I wanna pick up, the others are kind of smelly though, I don't understand how they work or what to actually do with them

[rustic vale]

bow is just dashstrike dashstrike dashstrike

and rail is just pew pew pew rocket

[vast raven]

yeah im not either

[rustic vale]

spear depends on the aspect a lot more

[snow cloak]

Im already doing that

[rustic vale]

I’m bad at spear but it’s good but I’m bad

[vast raven]

zag spear my goat

[snow cloak]

The more I look at my 32 heat the worse it gets

Why did I have jury3

[rustic vale]

[snow cloak]

Spear was actually my first ever clear, took 40m

[rustic vale]

Then how are you failing

[snow cloak]

Cause I suck

[rustic vale]

Literally 50% of bow hammers are uber strong

[vast raven]

i mean

[snow cloak]

I also have used the bow like twice

[vast raven]

at low heat its more like 80%

[rustic vale]

Oh

[vast raven]

bc of charged (insert special hammer) strats

[rustic vale]

Twin/triple/flurry/point-blank/perfect/explosive is 6/12

[snow cloak]

As soon as I got the fists I was like "oh yeah" and barely use anything else

[rustic vale]

You pretty much always have a good first hammer option

[rustic vale]

🥀

[vast raven]

ap2

[rustic vale]

That’s still a 50% chance for your first hammer to be good

Regular odds is 87.5% odds of at least one of your starting hammers being good

[vast raven]

idk not for me, unlucky ig

i end up getting blast wave 4 runs in a row

followed up by explosive

[rustic vale]

Ramas odds are more like 5/11

So the odds are worse

[vast raven]

yeah

and optimally you want 1 of those 😔

triple isnt good on high heat (or even like on anyheat)

pointblank isnt great either, sniper bad, pshot is fine

[rustic vale]

Oh so like

4/11

[vast raven]

explosive bad, relentless bad, blast wave bad, and like one other 1 that im probably forgetting

*specifically for first hammer

[rustic vale]

Is just twin perfect explosive and

[vast raven]

explosive bad

its just twin, perfect, and sometimes pointblank

[rustic vale]

Oh so like

Those are atrocious odds

[vast raven]

yep

[rustic vale]

I just play zagbow so I don’t have to deal with that

[vast raven]

explosive is bad bc

1. ruins line ups
2. you lose all range

[rustic vale]

fr

just modify game files to remove the speed decrease from explosive

ez

install the buffed bow mod lmao

“ as we all know, bow is the worst weapon ingame, so I buffed it”

That mod is lowkey bonkers I think it would make Hera the #1 speed aspect if it was

in base game

[rustic vale]

Frei have you seen this before

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1206129763610271774/image.png?ex=68b49920&is=68b347a0&hm=fc9370455bc36e4792b68781ffd7eed7c3189e5b1bb248f1f06af68c83552621&

[vast raven]

nope

havent looked all too hard into mods

outside of speedrun modpack

and more heat mod

[indigo badge]

what does more heat mod do

[vast raven]

makes max heat 99

[rustic vale]

Wait I just checked it and I swear they removed changes

[vast raven]

adds ap3

td4

hl10

BP4

[indigo badge]

😐

[rustic vale]

Which modd lets you go all the way up to dc64+

[vast raven]

FO4

dc4

uhhh

CF4

JS6

CP4

yeah

[rustic vale]

I was about to say this is the worst of them all before I realised ap3 was on there

[vast raven]

a lot more stuff

[vast raven]

td4????

[indigo badge]

what the f does ap3 even do

[rustic vale]

Whoops all Boonless

[vast raven]

no boons

[rustic vale]

Doable

Cf4 thou

throw me off a bridge already

[vast raven]

3 minutes per region 😭

[rustic vale]

[vast raven]

160% shop prices 💯

[indigo badge]

cf was the one that made charon stuff more expensive but what did it stand for i forgor

[rustic vale]

I have an unnecessarily high hatred for cf

Raised prices yeah

[indigo badge]

no hatred for cf is unnecessary

it's always justified

[rough carbon]

English please

[indigo badge]

forced overtime 4

[vast raven]

forced overtime 4

[indigo badge]

everything is 80% faster

[rough carbon]

Oh ok

Thanks

[vast raven]

unironically it isnt very noticable

at least on non bosses

it is very noticable on speeder enemies tho

[indigo badge]

imagine speeder bruiser cloner savior numbskulls with fo4 cp4 js6 🥰

while playing hestia 🥰

wait is the extra damage perk from bp additive to hl or multiplicative?

[rustic vale]

It should be additive

considering gilgamesh and beowulfs are additive and iirc so is Hades

[vast raven]

its a 2x

wait no

just 100%

im smort

slugger brutes hit for 60

[rustic vale]

Maybe if it was td6 I’d csre

[vast raven]

td5

would be 1 minute

td6

[rustic vale]

Ik

[vast raven]

would bo

*be

[rustic vale]

-1:00

[vast raven]

i frame your videogame

[rustic vale]

Start off taking 300 damage immediately

[rustic vale]

Realistically if you had delta chamber or something

Would a clear be possible

[vast raven]

or zeus bull rushing cycling

[indigo badge]

erm it's possible to iframe the final damage tick of timer and it's also possible to finish the game with 1 dash only so arckshoually you could always keep one dash to dodge and another to tank timer ☝️ 🤓

[vast raven]

longest ive done that was in a heroes fight for about 20 seconds

[rustic vale]

Longest I’ve done is 4 billion seconds against an entire run on em4 cp2 js3 dc2 arthur

[tough ocean]

a new fate just showed up a solid 20 hours after i thought i had completed everything in the game lmao

[exotic cliff]

LOL @ my Heroic Greatest Reflex.

[lavish sorrel]

I tried starting with (and gaining) no TD throughout the run, I got to mid-ely where I got utterly destroyed by naked brightswords spam

Kinda tough, delta chamber and several hermes dashes would definitely be the play though

My run was with beo, which worked sorta fine (?) but occasionally prevented me from hitting the dash timing

[snow hemlock]

Whenever good ridance plays from the playlist, its so relaxing

[umbral anchor]

Does flood flare proc sea storm with beowulf?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[umbral anchor]

Didn't it not before? Was that changed?

[rustic vale]

The game hasn’t been updated in like 4 years so

It may have been changed but the patch note would’ve been before my time

[umbral anchor]

@latent moon do you know?

I was sure it didn't at some point

[mint coral]

It doesn't unless is the very edge of the flare (and for @rustic vale too)

[rustic vale]

LMAO

classic bugowulf

[mint coral]

The edge of the flare can also sometimes make the heroes meg whiff lmfao

[umbral anchor]

hade s 😿

[latent moon]

Didn't know the edge procced sea storm lmao

I always thought it didn't at all

The shield attack procs sea storm tho without any boons

[rustic vale]

Is this the same with flood shot btw

or is it just beo being beo

[mint coral]

Beo

Flood shot has actual knockback

[viral bramble]

Been playing the games forrr 3 and a half days now? It’s my first run and I already made it to the final stage with Hades, but I keep losing death defiances to the rats in Cerberus’s stage. Does anyone have any tips on how to get through some of the stages or the boss fights easier? I already narrowed down the fight strat for Meg and her family, a bit for the hydra, but i keep screwing up on Theseus and Asterius’s stage

[viral bramble]

Also let me know any tips for the final stage

[vast raven]

what weapon are you playing with?

(i cant give much advice rn) the basics are: for dad, use the pillars to your advantage and bait out his attacks to punish
for heroes, focus on asterieus before moving onto theseus, trying to keep them separated is your best bet and use the pillars to your advantage
for styx, staying behind the majority of the enemies is your best bet for safety, as well as baiting enemies into the traps to damage them
for elysium, those same principle apply as they do in styx

[viral bramble]

Shield

I find it the safest option

[viral bramble]

Ooo thank you!

[vast raven]

block good 😌 then yeah, being able to do bullrushes through enemies can be pretty safe once you get it down and can also be a good source of crowd clearing, sadly its special lacks a lot of damage and wouldnt recommend using it all too much (with one exception ig but i wont get into that here)

holding your bullrush up to block asterieus’s combos (true for pretty much everything) before releasing to rush throw him to do damage as well as incorporating things like standing strikes where you can

[weak iris]

Alright. Gimme your least favourite God to pick booms from and tell me why

[rustic vale]

Mfw when dem has next to no purpose on 95% of builds 🥀

and she only has one build on Hera, it’s not even generic

[vast raven]

hey! she also has use on hestia and FDS builds through ravwill

but yeah

uhh very bad for the most part

[rustic vale]

Dash doesn’t slot well nor does cast and slow is a negative debuff for speedrunning

[harsh scroll]

I haven't played this in months I promise I'll be back

[worn nova]

Why hello Hades community

[vast raven]

hello

[worn nova]

I have returned to realise how wrong I am about how the game works

I thought dash strike DMG/properties were pooled in with normal attack

However I was wrong

I think

[vast raven]

they are

well kinda

if you dash strike

you get your attack modifier as well

if you do a standing strike

you dont get dash strike %

add both on dash strike

[worn nova]

But if you get an attack enhancing chaos boon does it do the same dash strike modifier

[vast raven]

and on standing strike just add strike %

it behaves like any other attack/dashstrike boon

[worn nova]

Because they have a separate boon for dash strike dmg

[worn nova]

I see

Also

I just realized how friggin gah dang fun dash strike builds are

Shackle was right tidal dash is peak

[vast raven]

dash strikes are also just really strong too

[worn nova]

I think one unseeded run I got tidal dash, 120% dash strike (from chaos), and plus three dashes

And Zeus cast and sea storm

My first sub 20 run lol

Once again I am overjoyed to be enlightened by your ancient knowledge Ms frei

I shall set my course for victory and vanquish Hades once again while putting this knowledge to use to aid me on my journey

Mb

[rustic vale]

All strike boons boost dashstrike damage

Most hammers do too but some select ones don’t

[vast raven]

cruel thrust:

[rustic vale]

shadow slash / cursed slash

anything that has to do with how the standing strike functions that can’t apply the same way to the dash-strike (extending jab/ triple jab / heavy knuckle) or relies on a specific part of the standing strike (cruel thrust / concentrated knuckle)

[worn nova]

Shackle I would like to thank you for your knowledge on tidal dash

I am now a dash strike build main

So fun

Does hangover just do DOT?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[worn nova]

Alr

Currently writing a rap about the video game stray

This bouta be fire

[rustic vale]

I love lightning strike rarity scaling going 10/13/15/20 like yeah uhhh

lets go +3

then +2

then screw it +5

[worn nova]

Shackle help

What duo dionysus duo boon would be best for a Chiron build

All of them look good

[rustic vale]

Low Tolerance

Aphro strike goes a long way on the default bow strike and stacking hangover 3 more times is the biggest dps boost to hangover of the 3 options

You can get curse of nausea from ares with curse of vengeance anyways and then you don’t have to worry about the aphro/ares duo ruining your duo odds

[worn nova]

Alr ty

[worn nova]

Then should I go for aphro attack?

[indigo badge]

yes

[worn nova]

Fire

One more thing

Does hangover have any secondary boons?

[indigo badge]

if they do they're mid

[worn nova]

Kk

[mint coral]

Avoid peer pressure from dio

[vast raven]

i mean the lego is fine

blackout is 50% global sooo

[indigo badge]

i just looked up his boons and bad influence is good

[mint coral]

Isn't it 60%

[vast raven]

oh yeah, 60%

just even better then

[worn nova]

Is blackout the cast secondary one

[mint coral]

Legendary

[worn nova]

Alr

[mint coral]

Cast tier 2 is dmg reduction while standing on cast

[worn nova]

I just don't like fog bc it's hard to hit

[mint coral]

Fog is fun with ice wine or Beowulf

Aka anything that removes the lob part

[rustic vale]

There’s one that’s pretty situational but it gives a large global damage boost when 3 or more foes are hungover

It’s more applicable if you’re using dio call or a different method of application than chiron thou

Bad Influence?

[vast raven]

i mean dio cast is pretty much just a second rail special

[mint coral]

Ye

[worn nova]

Lol chamber 8 low tolerance

Fire

[peak bluff]

which aspect do i pick for bow?

[vast raven]

which one do you like?

[peak bluff]

all of em sound crap to me i want the easiest to get a w on it so i can have a win with all weapons

[vast raven]

zag bow

[peak bluff]

ty

[worn nova]

Js beat story

I'm not technically a new player anwmore

[elder tulip]

first run after getting persephone back, it's so funny that they just say just imagine zagreus watered the garden before he dies 😭

[tepid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/zagreus-hades-gif-822006512683610500

[elder tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1263674828754259969/1412203935015374900/IMG_20250902_023343712.jpg?ex=68b770e7&is=68b61f67&hm=724c9494115f364a3cf04e04da6ddb0e31c267d12f74e486469aa923f0d2a5b8&
y'all ever

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Hera sounds like crap?

I feel like it’s the one where you’re most easily able to tell that it’s super impactful because it lets you cast simultaneously with your strikes so it’s just free huge base damage

[peak bluff]

I was gonna go with it then Reddit said it was meh

I ended up choosing the homing shot one cause I was a bit too impatient hahaha

[latent moon]

reddit is famously wrong about many things

all the bows are objectively pretty good to clear with

chiron is really beginner friendly

zag bow is really consistent

hera you'll get a lot of damage without putting in too much effort

and also has the highest damage capacity if you play and build it right

rama is also really high damage but a lot harder to play

chiron is unfortunately the worst bow by a considerable margin tho, but for like general clearing and ease of use, it's super easy

[rustic vale]

Reddit does notoriously overvalue chiron

[peak bluff]

Wait then what was right for shield

[rustic vale]

but to the point of calling Hera meh still? dang

[peak bluff]

Yep saw a bunch of em saw it lol

[rustic vale]

I recently stopped calling them in stone age because it’d been 3 years since I checked and I can’t call it that when I haven’t looked recently but

It seems they haven’t grown

[peak bluff]

Lolol

[rustic vale]

Wdym

[peak bluff]

I picked Zeus because I saw a post nd I liked how it sound for shield

[rustic vale]

Zeus and Beowulf, they can’t mess it up that badly unless they still toot Chaos like mad

[peak bluff]

I also wanted to see brrr lightning

[peak bluff]

Lmao

[rustic vale]

Zag shield has more value than chaos for the record too

[peak bluff]

That bad?

Damn lmao

[rustic vale]

It’s not big enough of a buff to something you would nearly never use otherwise

[latent moon]

the gimmick for chaos shield is pretty bad lmao

[rustic vale]

Zag shield buffs a core part of your playstyle since you have to strike or dash-strike to start charging a bullrush anyways

with a pretty sizeable base damage buff

[latent moon]

doesn't help with the fact that charged shot hammer is just insanely good

[peak bluff]

Wat dat do

[rustic vale]

Swaps your bullrush for a projectile that does 80 base damage, charges faster, and pierces shields and enemies

[latent moon]

turns shield into bow but better

[rustic vale]

and it deals that 80 damage no matter how much it’s charged

“Bow but better” 🥀

bow still charges faster since you don’t need to strike then pull up the shield no?

[peak bluff]

Damn

[peak bluff]

Ye but u can bull special

Then u do

Millions

I see rhe potential

It’s limitless

[latent moon]

min charge shot

[rustic vale]

ig but all bow hammers go crazy so

[latent moon]

with cshot you can quite literall just stand there and cshot away

and also block

[rustic vale]

flurry twin 🔥

anyhow

is a very powerful hammer

[peak bluff]

Cant wait to test these out when I finish this goddamn course lmao

[rustic vale]

will not sully bow’s name by calling it that

[peak bluff]

Also there a max amt of titans blood I can put into a weapon?

[lavish sorrel]

Level 5

[rustic vale]

Zag aspects are all 5 blood, other aspects are 15-16

It’s 5/15/16/15 top to bottom per weapon

[peak bluff]

Damn

[elder tulip]

yo my lyre skills are improving!

what is nectar about 😭

[rustic vale]

It’s like a form of congrats

[elder tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1395073634967486564.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

honestly the transition from the goofy wrong notes to an actual chord had me shook

bro what||skelly wants me to kill him??||

[mint coral]

Fulfill his wish boyo

[elder tulip]

but but but...

at least it'll be a while cuz I'm not wasting like 10 titan blood on stygian rn

[mint coral]

Is just 5

[elder tulip]

oh i thought it increases

well 5 is still a lot

[mint coral]

Yeah is fixed per aspect
Zagreus cost 5
2nd costs 15
3rd costs 16
4th costs 15

1/2/3/4/5 for 2nd
3/3/3/3/3 for 4th

[elder tulip]

in other news i just beat hades in a literal minute

[rustic vale]

Zag aspects don’t

[elder tulip]

my build is actually broken

[rustic vale]

wait wrong message

[elder tulip]

it's okay

[mint coral]

No is not

Death upon you

[rustic vale]

[elder tulip]

makes sense

[mint coral]

3rd aspect is, 2/2/3/4/5 I think?

[rustic vale]

yeah

sounds right

[elder tulip]

holy new pb clear

[mint coral]

Gg

[elder tulip]

21 mins 🙏

honestly might invest in tight schedule or whatever the 9 minute time limit is

[rustic vale]

tight deadline

At you should be good to run 2 levels of it like

all the time you have at the end of a biome carries over

[elder tulip]

with bow I average 25mins, everything else except shield 30-35, could that be Good

[elder tulip]

oh what that's peak then

[rustic vale]

You don’t actually immediately lose if the timer hits 0, you start taking 5 damage per second, so even if you’re behind pace

it’s not over

[elder tulip]

hmmm

i still want to play a little bit relaxed for now

[rustic vale]

Just run 1 level of it then

[elder tulip]

that's a total of 36 minutes yeah?

[rustic vale]

yeah

[elder tulip]

should be fine on most weapons..

[rustic vale]

You have more room with your bow times so you should be able to run td2 there I think

[elder tulip]

i love bow so much

[mint coral]

Also time carries between biomes

[elder tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1263674828754259969/1412528407874633899/IMG_20250903_000318401.jpg?ex=68b89f17&is=68b74d97&hm=8657ded763372b7000d3d6335a98ec28febc2d35275727de1141c8dc55b85fe2&
i think you can tell

[worn nova]

Same lol I main Chiron mostly and when I play sword I try to special then from afar lmao

[candid nova]

just finished my second 32 heat run with chiron bow, i wished it would help me uninstall the game and pass to something else but i fear i'm just going to try either sword or spear 32 T_T

[mint coral]

And the 32 heat all aspects

[candid nova]

yeah never, finishing 32 with a different aspect is not recorded within the game so i'll ignore that at least

[mint coral]

It is recorded in the admin chamber

You can see your fastest run/highest heat per aspect

[indigo badge]

lol i said the same

and then did it anyway

#h1-discussion message

found it

[rough carbon]

i did my first escape

like i beat hades for the first time

[fiery sky]

congrats!!

[rough carbon]

thanks

took 66 escape attempts

used the spear

[worn nova]

It gets much easier after your first

[rough carbon]

Yeah

[lavish pond]

im having trouble with dash striking with sword

normal attack combo keeps interrupting the dash strikes

might be just git gud syndrome

[rustic vale]

Normal strikes usually means you’re being impatient and trying to dash-strike early before your dashes come back

Or you were just spamming dstrikes beyond the amount of dashes you had

It helps that the optimal dps rotation is dashstrike with all your dashes -> special so you know to do exactly 2 dstrikes (as long as you don’t have greatest reflex) and by the time your special hits you should have your dashes baxk

[noble dock]

Melinoë Vs Zagreus

Who is Better?

[indigo badge]

sir this is a h1 chat

also melinoe solos ong the boons in hades 2 are insane

literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[rustic vale]

Strongest baby god of history vs strongest baby goddess of today

[rustic vale]

idk does Melinoe get bronze skin

[peak bluff]

there a list of which boons for which weapons/aspects?

[rustic vale]

This website has 2-4 builds per aspect, which range from “good on a casual level” to roughly meta builds for the aspect
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

You can’t really go wrong with any of the builds here, but they are not made equally

[peak bluff]

Tytyty

[lavish pond]

noted

uhh

weird question

i only unlocked one aspect of every weapon (aside from guan yu spear) and did not upgrade any of them which resulted in me not unlocking other secret aspects

can i stop being shy about spending titan blood and roll with it?

so far saved 45 ish titan blood

70 runs

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Blood isn’t a limited resource

It’s just a little harder to get more of it than other resources

if you want like a stepping stone of aspect recommendations (which ones work well with a small amount of blood invested, which ones are more blood hungry but worth the levels) just lmk

[lavish pond]

Mm

[lavish pond]

i am interested

so far im really liking nemesis, demeter and maybe achillies

achillies feels great with flurry jab or serrated point

[rustic vale]

Nemesis, hera and zeus shield all get their primary functionality at level 1, and successive levels just boost it a bit more.
On the other hand, achilles, demeter, eris and hestia all really like having blood invested in them for their effects to really start popping off

[lavish pond]

oh

[rustic vale]

At somepoint you’d be able to snag the hidden shield, and that’s another one where the primary function is obtained at level 1, so extra levels are just like a bonus

[lavish pond]

Mm

[rustic vale]

hidden sword is pretty much fully operational without levels, Guan-Yu kinda needs those levels but it is a strong base kit. Hidden bow gets noticeably better with levels but that base level functionality is what matters

[lavish pond]

i need to invest 5 blood in each weapon to unlock hidden aspects right

[rustic vale]

And hidden rail really wants those levels

5 and then use the weapon to go talk to a specific npc and get an awakening phrase

[lavish pond]

Mm

[rustic vale]

Actually the exact procedure in pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[lavish pond]

got it

[rustic vale]

Other notable aspects are zag shield / zag bow / zag rail, all the zag aspects only take 5 blood to max, and those ones have a pretty solid bonus. Honourable mention to zag fists, I’m not as big of a fan but it is decent enough

any aspect I haven’t named was intentional and you can level those up in your free time but I’m not recommending them

[lavish pond]

will upgrade zag aspects to reach the quota for the hidden aspects then

[lavish pond]

got it

what about sword?

do i buy the poseidon one and upgrade it?

[rustic vale]

pos is like fine

It gets a pass

if you want a castpect though level 1 achilles gives just as much of a damage buff to casts as max level pos

[lavish pond]

oh

[rustic vale]

Max pos is +50% cast damage and level 1 achilles is +50% strike and cast damage for next 4 strikes and casts

[lavish pond]

so ill just upgrade nemesis then

[lavish pond]

Mm

[rustic vale]

Pos has its own niche but uh

it’s niche

There also isn’t any harm in just having a cast damage buff on a build

Actually I recently beat my overall sword pb with a crack poseidon build that happened to run into a few cast boons

Recently as in early today when I was running for aspect of the week

[lavish pond]

so far never done a cast run

i should soon

[rustic vale]

they can be fun if you’re aiming for the right casts for the weappm

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1413305907307347999/69B6DAAD-14C9-49F8-8624-EF3D79B5F133.jpg?ex=68bb7332&is=68ba21b2&hm=81a487f548aabe6d0097015e634b718265122694704c3c1ac230b961d00926bf&

stupidest build ever and somehow it beat out my nemesis peebee

[lavish pond]

zues cast always felt weak but maybe thats cuz i havent used it properly

[rustic vale]

Is that zeus cast

or was it phalanx

I can’t remember

lemme check my run records

[lavish pond]

its athenas

[rustic vale]

Zeus cast can be really strong early game while you figure out the rest of your build

[lavish pond]

yeah phalanx

[lavish pond]

Mm

[rustic vale]

I talk to better speedrunners than myself a lot and they do repeatedly say zeus cast is good for tartarus and a bit of a ways into asphodel but then the damage falls off

But it’s mainly supplemental damage while you get your build together

[lavish pond]

oh

[rustic vale]

I was hoping for lightning phalanx and ended up with vengeful mood 💔

[lavish pond]

i think i wont be speedrunning any time soon lmao

[rustic vale]

Either way, can confirm zeus cast does fall off after asphodel

[lavish pond]

welp

[lavish pond]

Mm

[rustic vale]

Lightning phalanx is good

There’s a reason I was building towards it as a sidething

Phalanx shot just has good damage andnthen you give it extra aoe

[lavish pond]

yeah looks fun

not more fun than spamming call with smoldering air though

smoldering air and merciful end feels awesome to use

[rancid ember]

Man, I remember back when if I reached Theseus at all it was a good run and now dying on him is a mark of "something went really wrong this run" lol. Like it just did. Though at least it's not one of the "something went REALLY REALLY wrong" runs where I die before Elysium

I think my build kind of sucked?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675754777115885615/1413515024210595962/image.png?ex=68bc35f3&is=68bae473&hm=6a51ddfa990491dabd0cfb0fe5767a88b20279e4726ddd61e6cb6e406d2534c8&

Which... makes sense since I didn't plan out my build due to keepsake grinding.

[mint coral]

No arty/ares duo is rough

[autumn jewel]

artemis is shy

[rough carbon]

The fact that I almost max out for nectar for Artemis speaks volumes of how much I like crit enemies

[autumn jewel]

yeah that 1000 dmg bonk is satisfying

not so much when you crit on the small rats

[harsh scroll]

Speak for yourself. Critting a rat makes me feel great, knowing they're forced to bear even more pain than they naturally can

[rustic vale]

This whole build is just like uncohesive tbh

nothing here really plays into anything else well, nor exceedingly well on spear specifically

and at base, the only thing here that really works generically is blade dash and then slicing shot if you had gotten artemis in pool for hunting blades

[rancid ember]

Yeah. I got an early Ares and ended up aiming for Freezing Vortex to finish off my prophecies list for duos and had little idea what to do from there with the boons I was given, ended up with a huge mess of a build.

[rustic vale]

Oh you can’t get hunting blades with freezing vortex anyways

[rancid ember]

I know, I wasn't particularly aiming for Hunting Blades anyway, heh. Either way the whole build was a mess.

I was doing surprisingly well early (sub-5 minute Tartarus iirc) but quickly fell off badly

I'm unsure if I overvalue Premium Vintage, I like to grab it whenever I get it because "YAY FREE NECTAR" and the HP increase is a bonus

[lavish pond]

did a cast build for the first time, was very fun

struggled early though

ares cast with artemis duo boon i think

[worn nova]

I usually platinum all the ps games I rlly like and was wondering if anyone knew how hard Platinumimg Hades is

I alr have like half trophy's I think

[rustic vale]

Of my knowledge of the trophies

It’s pretty chill

Maybe 100-150 hours?

probably lower

[rancid ember]

Ugh. If I'm going to try to grab that prophecy for getting out with all mirror talents I suppose I shouldn't be fcking around with keepsake grinding at the same time I'm using a bunch of dispreferred talents.

What would probably be best to go with for this purpose? Aspect and build?

Maybe Arthur and try for Aphro attack...

...WTF?

Strong Drink doesn't improve if it gets Ambrosia Delight'd from Common to Rare?

[latent moon]

it does

the next fountain will give you the upgraded bonus

your current bonus won't change bc of the upgrade

if you already have 6% from 2 fountains 3% each, ambrosia delight will make the next fountain give 4%

or whatever the % values are

[rancid ember]

It just doesn't show that the bonus it WILL give will change, is all ^^;

At least it didn't seem to.

[exotic cliff]

Weird run just now. No Daedalus until Asphodel. ZERO Chaos gates. Which is unfortunate for Darkness farming.

Second run in a row with no Tartarus hammers. Not a big deal, but still unlucky. Thankfully, I’m raking in Darkness already.

[grave schooner]

really random since i never texted here but i managed to 100% Hades 1 and im looking forward to but the second game ^o^

just wanted it share it with anyone T-T

[rancid ember]

I finally got the epilogue done yesterday!

I kind of want to continue at least until I've gotten all relationships maxed, we'll see how close I get to "100% completion" before setting the game down. Although 100%ing a game like this might be a nice feather in my cap... unsure if I'll go for any, like, challenge runs.

I'm still not even halfway to the 20-heat rewards for any weapon, haven't done a 16-heat run, so I'm pretty far from the really major achievement measures. Epilogue complete is already v. nice though, as is having at least one sub-20 run so far

[grave schooner]

tbf i did make sure to max out every relationship before getting the epilogue hahah

the only thing i have to do is to get a few hammer upgrades on a few weapons so only ingame "achievements" not sure if i will do it

[worn nova]

Anyone know how many times you need to beat for epilogue or is it just till you beat that one prophecy

[rustic vale]

you need to get the favours of 6 olympians

or demeter to max bond before her favour counts as one because her favour is only completable after epilogue

[worn nova]

Is it bad that ion even know what a favour is

Is it like

When you give them ambrosia?

[rustic vale]

Not really

[worn nova]

Would it spoil sum if I asked what it is?

[rustic vale]

Favour is the term for the specific requirement you need to complete for an npc to get their bond forged / give them their last ambrosia

[worn nova]

Oh alr

I got charon and posiden I think

Does that count lol

[rustic vale]

Olympians

poseidon counts

Charon is a cthonic god

[worn nova]

Kk

Ty for a glance into your infinite knowledge of this game

Also Mr shackle

Do you know any easy to achieve builds that I can spam for ambrosia

Like not complicated I mean

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash -> oceans bounty and hit all the chaos eclipses and just trade up

[worn nova]

Project Elon actuvated

[rustic vale]

Otherwise just do a regularly fast build for whichever weapom you want

tdash is fast anyways but

[worn nova]

Alr

Also know any good aurther builds?

I have no idea how to use it

[rustic vale]

Check the website pinned im builds

Distracted rn

it has builds that range from “decent” to “roughly meta” for each aspect

[worn nova]

Ok my bad

[rustic vale]

No it’s my bad for talking when I can’t really think too much

[rustic vale]

There are like 2 main building points

double edge versus shadow slash

double edge means your dashstrikes are 100 base damage, which is frankly like a crazy starting poimt

and then you can build aphrodite for consistent damage or artemis strike if you want more critty based building

or you can go shadow slash and try to backstrike with the big 200 base damage third hit of the standing strike combo

I prefer the dstrike build tbh

and the dstrike build can benefit from chaos dstrike bonuses as well, and tidal dash pops off

[rancid ember]

As a random note, is it just me or does it seem like the Spear has a lower odds of getting Dark Thirst than other weapons?

[rustic vale]

Just you

They have equal odds

but the human brain likes to pattern recognise even where there aren’t any

you might also just be on a bad luck streak

[polar aspen]

I LOVE THIS GAMES CHARM!!!

i just equipped aphrodite's rose, so i could get her boon next, and it gave me hermes instead. i questioned why hermes was here first and he straight up told me
"Aphrodite said she's running a bit late, coz, though im sure you understand. besides, I'm here! in spirit anyhow."

[harsh scroll]

Hermes does not really care if you want a specific Olympian

Can get there faster than any anyway

[marsh fog]

Yeah I think he has a separate one for each Olympian, it’s hilarious 😆

[polar aspen]

Yeah he also told me about Demeter, saying that the cold chill was from him whizzing down to asphodel so fast

[fallen lodge]

is there a quick way to reset a run and not keep the same seed(other than stubborn defience)

[rustic vale]

not really

[fallen lodge]

ok

[rustic vale]

unless you’re using the speedrun modpack

[fallen lodge]

i dont have mods

[rustic vale]

eh seed should really only matter for the first 1-3 rooms anyways

it’s so easy to change the seed by breaking pots or reloading or having a cast hit the ground

[fallen lodge]

im just looking to reset the keepsake boons

[rustic vale]

ah no luck then

[fallen lodge]

ok i will die 4 times

[rustic vale]

but the boon options and rarities will stay the same if you swap keepsakes

[fallen lodge]

ik

[rustic vale]

I often just swap to a weapon that’ll make better use of say an epic tidal dash than fists would use common curse of agony

[fallen lodge]

tahts a fair point

ok

the main problem is my laptop overheats around the end of elysium in one run

so i could really only have one run an hour

[rustic vale]

dang

[fallen lodge]

ye

[worn nova]

Using my shackle call rn

I got the companion

Trust

Is Artemis dash boon or tidal dash better for dash strike builds?

[rustic vale]

Generally tidal dash

[worn nova]

Did haelian lie?

[rustic vale]

When

Probably not

[worn nova]

Is 6 best builds vid

[rustic vale]

Hunter Dash has some cases where you’d want to use it

[rustic vale]

Just gimme a quick run-down of which build was using hunter dash

was it sword or bow

[worn nova]

Nemesis build

[rustic vale]

cuz I know sword takes tdash over hunter now

[worn nova]

For dash strike

[old bluff]

It’s old

[rustic vale]

More recent development

[worn nova]

Well all his h1 vids are old

So

[old bluff]

It was def more of a best and easiest build than just best

[rustic vale]

The meta has also progressed since

that video wasn’t timeless

[worn nova]

One more thing

Is chaos strike better then dash strike DMG?

[rustic vale]

chaos dash-strike damage is higher than a same rarity chaos strike boon

keyword same rarity

Like a common lunge is +40-60% but common strike is +30-40%

1.5x that for rare and 2x those for epic

[polar aspen]

I need to ask now how are romances handled? Am I only allowed to choose one or can I romance everybody possible? Also how are the romances actually handled, because I never saw Thanatos and zagreus has anything more than close Brothers

[rustic vale]

Zag can be polyamory if you want, afaik it’s like a “say yes to meg, say yes to than, then say yes to polyamory”

Imo the than thing is just weird like that I didn’t care for it

[polar aspen]

Duly noted thank you for letting me know

The only one I really had my sights on was my sweet little snake~

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-dusa-cute-adorable-gif-19139329

She is too precious

[polar aspen]

Is it only romantic, or can you build a platonic/familial relationship with them

[rustic vale]

You can just say no

and then you have a normal brother relationship

That’s what I did

[polar aspen]

Okay good

[rustic vale]

The actual prompt isn’t “yes or no” but you get the gist

it’s one of the very few times in game you make a decision in conversation

[polar aspen]

Given that zagreus was raised by Nyx I can't see him and Thanatos has anything more than brothers

[rustic vale]

right?

[polar aspen]

The idea that you can set up a romantic relationship between them is very weird to me

Trying to rekindle a fire with our former flame, magaera makes sense

[polar aspen]

Also for the record is eurydice singing about Orpheus, minus the lines about Atlas

[polar aspen]

i love that you can hear dusa whispering to megaera when they have ladies night

[lavish pond]

so far done 100+ runs and i still dont have the option to give ambrosia to meg

||i could already trigger thanatos romance but not meg ||

she just stands at the lounge without dialogue after every run

[polar aspen]

im there at the momwnt too

Also I'm really glad to have exclusive access coming out of Tartarus

Thank you uncle for visiting cousin Dionysus

[lavish pond]

exclusive access?

wdym

[polar aspen]

Dionysus Poseidon duo boon?

- minimum Boone rarity: epic```

Megaera even comments about me not encountering Daedalus this run since I do once almost every single time I'm in Tartarus

[lavish pond]

ah

[polar aspen]

Nice to have minimum epic boons for the rest of the run

[lavish pond]

true

[polar aspen]

I have yet to have this overpowered cast build fully realized

I'm trying to get both ice wine and scintillating scent

[rustic vale]

I’d say it’s like regular powered

[rustic vale]

The dialogue for this is entirely random

You’re just going to have to be a bit patient

[lavish pond]

oh damn

explains a lot

[polar aspen]

i forgot a couple runs ago i got the option, so now i get to give both meg and than ambrosia

I love how little by little you can unlock all these new little elements around the house

Like letting Orpheus free and slowly rebuilding the relationship between him and his Muse

[polar aspen]

Zagreus is now part-plant lol

[weak iris]

Hi friends. So I've platinumed the game. I'm missing 2 bonds forged. 1 is Hermes. 1 is Aprodite. Is it RNG or am I missing something?

[latent moon]

Hermes iirc you need to talk to him with a 3* keepsake

Aphrodite at this point is rng bc you need bonds forged with Thanatos, dusa, and Meg

So that's unlucky lmao

[marble dust]

What hidden aspect should I try out? thats also good at low investment. The bow, shield or sword?

[vast raven]

hidden bow aspect

[marble dust]

sounds good. is there a certon keepsake I should use with it?

[vast raven]

aphrodite keepsake for attack, or artemis keepsake for either the attack or dash is pretty good for a build starting point

big % good

[weak iris]

Dusa is one I realized right after posting wasn't where I thought it was

So her too.

That would be the piece

[rancid ember]

Speaking of Dusa and forging bonds with, it kind of actually-bothers me that the game even gives the option for Zagreus to take back the ambrosia given to Dusa simply because of how drastically out of character his actually doing so seems like it would like... actually be?

Like, why the heck would the guy who showers all his friends with lavish gifts take back the gifts he gave Dusa? It feels like that even being an option given by the game kind of weakens its commitment to his basic characterization.

(I mean yeah he gives her MORE ambrosia than he does everyone else I guess which is already questionable but at least justifiable in terms of her responsibility to the lounge which he directly justifies the giving BY.)

I guess it could be... hinting at certain flaws in how he's inclined to approach investing into new relationships that could like... go either way in how could develop?

[latent moon]

i mean doesn't dusa offer them back, it's not like he's asking for them back

[rustic vale]

Dusa has her own qualms with accepting so much ambrosia

That’s why she offers it back

it isn’t zag asking for it, it’s offered by someone who doesn’t feel right keeping it

[rancid ember]

Hmm, that's true. He doesn't ask for it back, it just surprises me that he would ever even accept it back unless it was pretty clearly insisted upon, I guess

[rancid ember]

Her having her own qualms with accepting it DOES make sense and him thinking that it may make her less uncomfortable if he takes it back could make sense.

[steep condor]

that's why the game gives you the option to take it back or refuse

you get to decide whether story / characterization or the gameplay aspect is more important to you here

[autumn jewel]

exclusive access overall is like fine but getting it in tartarus is OP because you are having 2 epic hermes boons 🔥

[mint coral]

Side hustle/auto reload going crazy

[autumn jewel]

epic auto reload with hera 🤑
more money 🤑

[polar aspen]

I love all the little things you can do in this game even after playing it for so long

Like releasing Orpheus and helping to reestablish his connection with his Muse

And all the little relationships can build with the different gods / Titans

I loved hearing Dionysus say
"Got to tell you, I don't think I ever felt so close to somebody so damn far away."

[rustic vale]

I was talking about ice wine scillanting trippy shot when I said it was fine

[inner stag]

side hustle/greatest reflex

also, hello there

[polar aspen]

I did have one run with exclusive access just before the fury sister, can't remember which one so I had epic Boons coming out of Tartarus

[rustic vale]

Hyper Sprint -> Epic Rush Delivery is way more insane than side hustle tbf

[inner stag]

i'd rather more iframes, i sometimes suck at dodging

plus, i don't want hades' fight to be too short, it's fun, especially with extreme measures 4 :)

[rustic vale]

Am always trying to minimise Hades fight time 🤑

My fastest that I actually paid attention to the time for was ~35s

[rustic vale]

So just play boonless atp

like