h1-discussion

[lavish sorrel]

is doing the heavy lifting here, not chiron. You should try that duoboon on a melee weapon, works even better on those.

Also, there are significantly stronger bow strategies than ME. That duoboon does not pair well with this weapon because of now slow every animation is (ignoring pseudotech)

[teal thunder]

trying ME on the fist for the first time was a life altering experience

ME on sword with double edge was a different level too

[glass ledge]

Hello ppl

do we have any singers here

I really REALLY want to do a cover off good riddance

and I can play the guitar

but I cannot sing it

[silver wren]

aaaahhhh Tis finally said Zagerus!

im so proud of her

also i like how when you skip Hermes's dialogue, he says something "oh anyways" or "alright then!"

speaking of Hermes

who do i continue my relationship with him?

yk with the hearts and stuff

[mint coral]

Use his keepsake at 3* and talk to him

[silver wren]

oh ok

[glass ledge]

how do you date thanatos lmao

[silver wren]

give him nector and then Ambrosia

and just talk to him

[silver wren]

omg the thorn of Thanatos thing is so hard

i keep having to rest when i get hit a couple of times

or when i dont get the god i want

[mint coral]

Click hestia and have fun

[silver wren]

I DOING THAT

[rustic vale]

Ddash start might be the play if you aren’t already

[mint coral]

With butterfly?

[silver wren]

so far i have made it to like room 32 and then restarting

[rustic vale]

Oh true

Butterfly is so alien

I’d have high tartarus standards if I was shooting for it

[silver wren]

with the following
Ares attack and attack, special and cast boost damage
Demeter special and snow burst
Athena Dash, Cast and Call and brilliont something
Artemis pressure point and support fire
Hermes dodge and hyper dash

[indigo badge]

why are you starting ares attack with hestia

take aphro or athena

[silver wren]

why?

[rustic vale]

you get more use off the +% multiplier to your strike damage

[silver wren]

and i TRY to get Aphrodite, but Demeter is being so needy

[old bluff]

world record takes ares attack

(dont do this)

[rustic vale]

WR also wasn’t shooting for Thorn

[silver wren]

?

[rustic vale]

?

you can pretty easily get a +90-100% strike damage off an epic aphro strike which is just

a raw +150ish damage

that applies to every strike

where-as you have to wait to reapply doom

[indigo badge]

hestia has a massive 150 damage on the charged shot, a big % boost boon will make it hit like a truck

[rustic vale]

even common aphro is +50% and that’s 75 vs doom 50 at the same rarity

ares is a niche usage on hestia and not really the best option for 99% of gamers/situations

[silver wren]

ok so here is the problem

with my most successful run so far

i could not get Aphrodite

i had to settle for Demeter

[rustic vale]

Athena and Demeter only have slightly lower additive numbers

they also do a good job

[silver wren]

so your saying to replace Ares attack with Demeter's or Athena's?

[rustic vale]

dem is just more ideal for larger damage numbers so you’re more likely to hit breakpoints and just take down bosses sooner

[rustic vale]

If aphro is off the table

[silver wren]

i see

[indigo badge]

wait i forgot you can't choose who to start with because you're taking the butterfly lmaooo

[rustic vale]

Also

[silver wren]

and rn i keep getting the hammer at the beginning

[indigo badge]

@silver wren you're using fiery assault in your mirror right?

[rustic vale]

You could be aiming for more applicable ares secondaries on hestia

fiery presence^

[indigo badge]

fiery presence yeah

[silver wren]

is that red or green?

[indigo badge]

it's a +112 damage on your first shot

[rustic vale]

green

[indigo badge]

topmost upgrade green

[silver wren]

oh im using the red one

[indigo badge]

fiery presence is huge for hestia take that instead

[rustic vale]

+75% damage to the first hit on undamaged enemies with strike and special

is way too massive to pass up

[indigo badge]

also take family favorite instead of privileged status

[silver wren]

wait i forgot which is which-

FF helps you get duo and legendry right?

[indigo badge]

it gives you +2.5% damage for every olympian whose boons you have

[silver wren]

oooohhh ok

[indigo badge]

so getting your base 4 gods + hermes is 12.5% extra damage

[rustic vale]

+5% at max

+25% global additive

[indigo badge]

oh right it's 5%

i forgor

yeah fiery presence with all gods filled, that's 100% damage on your powered shot, 300 damage

enough to oneshot most enemies

[rustic vale]

For the first hit on each enemy

[rustic vale]

This is just a 1/4 chance

but if you keep hitting “give-up” then

You’ll keep seeing it

[silver wren]

oh im not complaining

i get to have delta chamber

[rustic vale]

Iframes on dstrikes is nice tru

[granite iron]

what if instead of the furies it was the furries

that would be pretty funny i think

[indigo badge]

mwurder?? MWURDER? ZWAGREUS >:3

[granite iron]

IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE REALLY COOL FANART AND I DONT MEAN IN A NSFW WAY

[silver wren]

ok so if i get Zeus in a doorway, should i give up?

and i cant change it because i have the boon changer

[rustic vale]

I mean

who else is in your god pool

Zeus call/cast/dash aren’t bad options

for damage

[silver wren]

Athena, Artemis, Aphrodite and Ares

[rustic vale]

wait

how’d you end up with zeus if you have 4 in pool? midshop shenanigans?

[silver wren]

but from what ou guys told me i should go for Demeter and not Ares

[rustic vale]

if you already have athena and aphrodite in pool just grab one of their strikes you don’t need dem then

[silver wren]

oh wait, at the time i only had aphro and Ares

[rustic vale]

then you should be fine

[silver wren]

so take Zeus anyways?

[rustic vale]

just grab dash or cast or whatever from zeus and find aphro or another +% strike later

[silver wren]

i see

[rustic vale]

There shouldn’t be a problem wjth taking him rn

[ashen hinge]

got the 5000 gemstones theme yay

[solemn brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1387122320241590504/1402371129783615568/Hades_GPwZaZg1qs.jpg?ex=6893ab64&is=689259e4&hm=5b6a63bbae007a02aef80a728c75f17d1b457d2a5aa2e00f4d8a5293ba667f2c&=&format=webp&width=1406&height=791 I wonder where zag is

shield go brrr

[mint coral]

Oh thought you were just doing the hug thing

[stiff obsidian]

They are but don't realize it

[solemn brook]

idk I was holding attack with the shield

[stiff obsidian]

Ur standing close enough to him that the lasers don't hit u

If u were blocking u would see the blocked! Text I think

[solemn brook]

ah

makes sense

huh, how tolerant is the area near him anyway

[stiff obsidian]

Also based on the img ur blocking in the wrong direction

Lol

[teal thunder]

it’s funny how you hug dad to win

[teal thunder]

it doesn’t feel very forgiving, i tried it a few times and failed more often than succeeded

but that’s maybe because i always overestimate the safe area

[stiff obsidian]

I wouldn't recommend it

If u miss the laser will stunlock you

Better as a plan b if u can't reach a pillar

[vast raven]

unless em4

then just pillar

[stiff obsidian]

Or dash dash call iframes dash dash

And stay between the beams

U will take 1-2 hits max

[vast raven]

sorry mono dash (screw hermes) prevents me

[teal thunder]

yeah it’s more of a “ah i’m screwed” resort

[vast raven]

so like 80 damage?

[stiff obsidian]

[vast raven]

[stiff obsidian]

Only 50 if you use abysall 🗣️

Add weak and remove hl5 and it'll only do 20 dmg

[vast raven]

sorry i'll just do my p2.1 strat of bullrushing right after the last wave goes out

something that i also will ignorantly do for p2.2

[stiff obsidian]

Shield 🥐 👀 ( couldn't find the 🙄 emoji)

[vast raven]

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/zeus-lightning-thor-love-thunder-gif-26175301

Real footage of Zeus shield players

[vast raven]

not true 😭

theres not enough explosions sorry

[solemn brook]

tried it now

went from 250 health to losing a death defiance against pops

oops

also lmao

"Charon, take me home."

Hades really is just getting a private ride every time he dies.

[placid coral]

bro

I almost got a new pb

and all of a sudden

I go through ALL 5 of the styx passages

bro

[teal thunder]

happened to me too

i was on pace to beat my pb by 4 minutes (it wasn’t a good score anyway, 18 minutes) but then i had a 5 chamber styx

[placid coral]

upon beating hades in 2 minutes, I can confirm i would have beaten my pb if I had a 3 chamber or better

[rustic vale]

3% odds lmao

Happened to me this morning

[hexed niche]

anyone here can help me answering some achilles/patroclus question?

[autumn jewel]

yes, ask away!

[hexed niche]

is there any tricks to getthe dialog going? i read wearing achilles keepsake when talking to aptroclus and vice versa.

I was at Patroclus and he told me to tell something to achilles but he isnt triggering any dialogue.

Should i spam death until achilles gives me dialogue or do i need to go more to patroclus?

[rustic vale]

if anything wearing the keepsakes would worsen your odds

because it might give them other lines to say

and it’s all rng dialogue iirc

[hexed niche]

i see that makes sense

[rustic vale]

Also

[hexed niche]

do you know if swapping the room rewards trying to fish for patroclus is a good idea or does it brick it somehow?

[rustic vale]

you might need to progress eurydice and sisyphus because iirc you need to have freed one or both

[hexed niche]

their questline is donw

[autumn jewel]

fated authority cannot roll patroclus for you

[hexed niche]

damn i was hoping it could

maegaera and thanatos questline still progressing

maybe thats why its stuck or doesnt matter?

[autumn jewel]

it doesn't matter

[rustic vale]

Nah

Those two should be wholy independent

[autumn jewel]

just do more runs and dialogue will eventually show up

[hexed niche]

so should i spam achilles until he gives me dialogue or will he always have dialogue after patroclus

[autumn jewel]

look for ! bubbles as they contain special dialogue, especially ones with spiked edges

[rustic vale]

just talk to them both roughly equally so you don’t bottle neck yourself

[hexed niche]

alright, was hoping to find some ways to speed it up but seems its truly all rng

[rustic vale]

At achilles

[rustic vale]

Run the rta speedpact

fr fr

[hexed niche]

rta?

[rustic vale]

Real time attack

as opposed to in-game time

most categories use igt but the ones that use rta have a slightly different pact

extreme measures 2 for faster lernie, forced overtime 2 for faster enemies spawns and fsster fights, and td1 to remove the 45s long survival rooms in tartarus

[hexed niche]

oh so thats the set up to rush to patroclus you mean?

[rustic vale]

it’ll help you save some time

[hexed niche]

good idea, thanks you 2 for the help, will just grind it out and eventually get it

[rustic vale]

Taking every shop/ story room and chaos also helps

they’re pretty much always amazing options without accounting for the timesave anyways

[hexed niche]

does chaos count as a room and therefore skips an encounter room?

[autumn jewel]

yes but it cannot skip bosses (obviously)

[hexed niche]

yes^^ thank you 🙂

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Although

If you ever end up taking a chaos at the very last room before the end-shop of each biome

You can extend the biome by 1 chamber (the chaos)

so instead of going c12 -> c13 end shop

you can go c12 -> c13 chaos -> c14 endshop

But every other case just skips an encounter chamber

[rancid ember]

Augh I hate being given a choice between a hammer and a Trial of the Gods

It's like, which do I choose???

The hammer?

[muted needle]

Whats your weapon

[latent moon]

yeah hammer

trials are very rarely worth it

[rancid ember]

Eris

1 Blood

[muted needle]

and who are the 2 gods?

or is it just 1 god

[rancid ember]

Zeus and Poseidon

My "main" boons are all filled

[latent moon]

if you really want to get static discharge then you can go for it, but i'd still go for hammer

trials are kinda eh for the time/effort

[rancid ember]

I could POTENTIALLY get Mirage Shot from Poseidon if trials can give Duos, I probably want the hammer still though

[latent moon]

trials can't give duos

but also mirage shot isn't useful on eris

[rancid ember]

YES I HAVE ROCKET BOMB AND TRIPLE BOMB BOTH NOW

YES

Hammer was 100% worth it

[rustic vale]

97/100 times it’s the hammer

If you’re looking at it from a speed or heat optimisation perspective

[latent moon]

or just general gameplay

[rustic vale]

sometimes the two gods are like zeus and poseidon and you really really want jolted / double strike / shoals / breaking wave

[latent moon]

afaik there's only like 3 instances where you actively take trials

that, if it's athena and ares for boons needed for ME, and if you need more boons for UC at high heat

[rancid ember]

WOW I got so close to a legit clear which would have been my first one without god mode/mods ;_; I had him on his last health bar! But he does SO MUCH DAMAGE ARGH

And was my first time reaching final boss since I picked the game back up!

I had SUCH an OP build but I'm awful at dodging, heh

I mean, not the HIGHEST level of OP I guess, not anywhere near maxed mirror and aspect was level 1, no Duos or Legendaries, but I was doing RIDICULOUS damage still

[latent moon]

eris moment

if you had the standard typical eris build, you don't need duos or legendaries

[rancid ember]

Honestly being Eris was barely relevant at the end I was mostly sniping, was mainly the Rocket Bomb + Triple Bomb with Artemis Special doing the heavy lifting

[latent moon]

you got close tho so you did pretty good

[rancid ember]

Also Artemis Cast helping bit

[latent moon]

oh lmao

you should probably use the global damage boost eris gives

you'll get so much more damage

[rancid ember]

True, I could have shot the walls to keep up but it's also only 15% with level 1 Blood

I had been using throughout most of the run though

[latent moon]

15% is still solid

esp since you have artemis special, 15% more damage with a crit would've been pretty good

but also using your attack would've been good lmao

[rancid ember]

My attack was just like, Zeus

Without a rapidfire upgrade

[latent moon]

zeus attack is really good on eris

or rail in general that isn't hestia

esp if you get static discharge

[rancid ember]

My Zeus Aid was much more impactful than my Attack at that point tbh, heh

Attacking some in some gaps might have helped a bit still

[latent moon]

ngl it sounds like you had a really strong build but just played too passively

[rancid ember]

I need better reflexes tbh

And get better at dodging

[latent moon]

yeah that comes with time and more practice

[rancid ember]

I tend to run into attacks a lot

And into traps

[rustic vale]

Depending on the build, there many just not be many/any relevant duos anyways

I mean this was Eris so like Splitting Bolt is the obvious one but that comes after Jolted

[rancid ember]

Splitting Bolt + Double Strike sounds really powerful with Zeus Aid tbh

[rustic vale]

Splitting Bolt is just powerful on anything that can use zeus boons at a decent rate

like

lightning strike pops off hard

zeus aid does too but zeus aid is less frequent

zeus shield with thunder flourish

Fists

flurry jab spear

[rancid ember]

I had the Artemis boon for crits to god gauge boost and iirc some other god gauge boosters so I got two maxed Zeus Aids off vs. final boss before he was halfway through his second health bar and probably would have gotten a third if I'd won lol

[rustic vale]

Hunter’s Instinct is like sadddd

so sad

let me get 1/100th of a minicall for every crit. Oh wait. It isn’t even every crit, since it has a 0.5s internal cooldown.

[rustic vale]

wait you were full charging gauge

feels bad man

[rancid ember]

Should I NOT be doing that?

[rustic vale]

yeah

at least for the good dps ones like dio and zeus you don’t gain enough dps from them being at max to warrant full charging them

[rancid ember]

Hmm, good to know

[rustic vale]

you’re better off spamming them when you can, and that also means you have 2 benefits greater calls don’t

Whenever you activate a call you get iframes so you just have on demand iframes

and you lose way less charge gauge if you end up running up on a bosses break points

oh and you can reliably use minicalls in regular elysium rooms

[rancid ember]

I suppose there IS the benefit also that it just straight-up raises your DPS BEFORE you fill the gauge, and your gauge gain also relates to your DPS, so...

[rustic vale]

eh

that works for dio aid but not zeus aid

while you’re using a call there’s a period where you can’t gain god gauge

it’s essentially until the call is done doing it’s thing

[rancid ember]

Oh, that's also good to know

[rustic vale]

so for dio aid the hangover persists and you can pretty reliably recharge your gauge fast

with persistent hangover on a few tanky enemies

but for zeus it’s like ~ if you spread a bunch of Jolted that you wouldn’t’ve otherwise

[rustic vale]

Eg. you also can’t charge god gauge while you’re invulnerable from athena/ares/poseidon’s calls

[rancid ember]

Speakinng of Athena/Ares/Poseidon, those are probably SUPER good during the final fight because it becomes super easy to time negating blows which is... incredibly important with the amount of damage each blow does ^^;

[rustic vale]

Damage now is often better than damage later too, and especially when you’re talking about a full call against a boss like

[rancid ember]

And how difficult the big circle is to escape

[rustic vale]

The last thing you want to do is waste a bunch of call charge because you were close to a breakpoint

[rancid ember]

How many i-frames does a call normally get anyway?

[rancid ember]

This is a very good point.

[rustic vale]

Ummmm

athena and poseidon are pretty solid

ish

ares just takes away your ability to do damage for not enough in return tbh

[rancid ember]

Ares Aid seems... generally odd admittedly

[rustic vale]

Seeee

I can’t tell you the last time I took a call aside from zeus or dio

Wait no I took dem recently to avoid her cores

[rancid ember]

Ares Aid would be great if it just did its listed damage every 0.1 seconds which feels like would be appropriate

[rustic vale]

I think it’s 0.2s for all blades

iirc

[rancid ember]

...okay maybe it would be good if it did that damage every 0.05 seconds >_>

[rustic vale]

4x all blade damage would be insane

[rancid ember]

I meant specifically for the Aid

Not the rest

[rustic vale]

That would make vicious cycle possibly actually have a use

wait default ares aid is only 1.2s like

that’s 6 hits at best mmm

no wonder this is so atrocious

you’re infinitely better off just doing a hunting blades or even a blade dash build

[rancid ember]

Actually tbh Ares Aid would probably be fine if it just applied a Doom 40 with every hit and got massive boosts from investing in Doom-boosting boons

Like, it would require actual investment to be any good rather than being anywhere near as good as Poseidon's by default but with that investment would get really powerful

[rustic vale]

Even then likeee

[rancid ember]

...although this would probably require Merciful End to have a double benefit of adding Deflect

to the Aid

And even then would still basically require that boon to be good

[rustic vale]

Tbh

Even in this hypothetical

I don’t see this being better than just staying out of Aid and doing your regular dps rotation on an ME build

[rancid ember]

True

Though it does have the benefit of keeping you Impervious during that time

[rustic vale]

Nor athena’s sheer power of invulnerability while still being able to do your combos

[rancid ember]

True

[rustic vale]

The thing is like

every good call rn is good without tons on investment

[rancid ember]

How often does Zeus Aid strike anyway?

[rustic vale]

Dio and zeus are dps machines before you factor in pomming and zeus secondaries

Lightning bolts have a 0.2s internal cooldown

But I think you squeeze out an extra one with aid

dio is like massive value from nothing, zeus does require a bit more to get itself off the ground but zeus is immediate dps

where dio takes like 4 seconds to fully deliver

which has a bigger impact in ely chambers for ttk

but once you get zeus secondaries going zeus can get pretty out of hand as well

[rustic vale]

But chain lightning (from lightning strike) has an internal cooldown of 0.15s

[latent moon]

you can iframe damage with dashes btw

with calls too from just hitting the button

also i will say that pos call has grown on me from a heat perspective, it's really good for repositioning and has pretty good damage even if it's like 1-2 hits

[rancid ember]

Oh, speaking of lightning cooldown, can you like, essentially get extra lightning bolts from Chiron special SPECIFICALLY by shooting to the side of the enemy you want to hit?

[latent moon]

you generally still want athena call tho lmao

[rancid ember]

Yeah, I just need to learn the timing and quick responsiveness better, heh

[latent moon]

no bc the internal cooldown is per enemy hit, not the source

so like even if like 5 thunder aoe hits another enemy, it'll only get hit by 1

thunder flourish on chiron unfortunately just really bad lmao

[rancid ember]

What I mean is like, if you shoot to the side will the arrows take long enough to hit to get multiple bolts in ^^;

Like, a delay between each hitting

Since they're homing

I think the way they arc they may hit at the same time anyway though

[latent moon]

i dont think that can ever happen lmao

the arrows travel way too fast to evade the internal cooldown

[teal thunder]

yeah i read somewhere that that is some sort of tech where you can get 1 more trigger from a max chiron bow

but i haven’t seen proof of it

[latent moon]

like the internal cooldown is 0.2, and if there's 8 arrows it'll take 1.6 secs for all of the bolts to hit if you want full damage

which just isn't how chiron works lmao

[teal thunder]

it’s not full damage, it gets 1 more trigger per volley compared to normal - that’s what it said atleast

which is minuscule for how much off-target aiming you’d have to do

[latent moon]

either way dont use thunder flourish on chiron unless you want to remove the internal cooldown via mods lmao

or changing the code or whatever

[rustic vale]

I’m pretty sure you’re able to squeeze it from 1 -> 2 depending on distance and positioning

[teal thunder]

i like to whip out drunken flourish, low tolerance and whatever ares’ duo is called

[rustic vale]

cuz it’s about the time from the first arrow hit to the last arrow hit

[teal thunder]

always fun seeing hangover do giga damage

[rustic vale]

Curse of Nausea

[teal thunder]

ah yeah that one!

ares on attack and ez PS

[latent moon]

why not just use aphrodite

makes much more sense for low tolerance

you don't need ares attack for curse of nausea

[teal thunder]

i like doom, legit no other reason

[rustic vale]

Aphro strike /dio special / curse of vengeance

aphro just pops off harder on bow strike than doom ever can

[teal thunder]

but yes, aphro attack is objectively better for it

[teal thunder]

but red sword go brrrr

[latent moon]

ares atk for chiron isn't technically bad, but it's just not great for low tolerance + curse of nausea lmao

if you just want curse of nausea then it's pretty solid

but also why lmfao

[rustic vale]

If I want red sword to go brr I can grab literally any melee weapon

and just build merciful end

[latent moon]

low tolerance is better than curse of nausea and has longer lasting pstatus uptime

[teal thunder]

i’m not talking about higher heats, it’s a just a fun build i like to whip out once a while

i am aware and agree aphro attack is indeed better

[rustic vale]

or even WR hestia

[latent moon]

ares attack drops in 1 sec (or 1.5 with impending doom), weak lasts 4 sec
and low tolerance gives more hangover damage

[rustic vale]

WR bestia

[latent moon]

this isn't about higher heats lmao

in higher heats, chiron is barely viable lmfao

[teal thunder]

all im trying to say it’s that i go ares attack because i find it more fun, i agree with both of you that aphro attack is better

[rancid ember]

Ares special looks really good for Chiron at high blood if you can get Dire Misfortune going, though otherwise yeah the Aphro/Dio build is probably better and likely is STILL better anyway considering how much damage you can do with just the Attack while Hangover's going

[rustic vale]

Wven with dire misfortune you just aren’t popping off as are as like arte special

[latent moon]

dire misfortune chiron is just really funny

[rustic vale]

dire misfortune has to be like the #1 catfishing boon thou

[teal thunder]

i remember my first time getting it thinking it’s the most op boom

pretty sure i wasn’t even on a fast hitting weapon either lmao

[latent moon]

just saw in speedcord that it's zag shield week

might open the game again lmao

[rustic vale]

I sub10’ed zag shield earlier this week so I posted it for aotw and then literally the same day I was meaning to be running chaos

I got a better time with zagshield without realising it was zagshield

😔

[latent moon]

lmao well at least you got a better time with zag shield instead of chaos

[rustic vale]

true

[rancid ember]

...honestly you're probably still better off just doing a straight-up Artemis build with high-level Chiron ANYWAY

[rustic vale]

Idk what I would’ve done if my chaos pb was lower than zag shield pb

[latent moon]

run zag shield again

[latent moon]

ngl i dont remember what the chiron heat wr does or the speedrun wr

[rancid ember]

Chiron is kind of depressing in how much it LOOKS good but kind of isn't as much as it looks

[latent moon]

might be pos special for speedrun?

[latent moon]

it's just really beginner friendly

2 button build and very straightforward to build with hangover

or artemis with concentrated volley

has pretty decent single target damage, so it looks like it's doing a lot of damage "fast"

a lot of people gravitate towards it in the beginning

[rustic vale]

Heat wr is literally just Timothy being cracked

iirc

mm

He is the chiron heat wr holdee right

[latent moon]

Yeah

Timothy moment

I don't remember what he used tho

[stiff obsidian]

special hammers

iirc

[exotic cliff]

Is there a particular reason that the amount of Darkness to ||allow Nyx to travel to and reconcile with Chaos|| is exactly 3,142? The only thing I can think of is that it’s 1,000 times pi, rounded up.

[lavish sorrel]

LMAO that's hilarious, I forgot about that

thanks supergiant

[indigo badge]

that's apparently the total number of gods in the greek pantheon (citation needed)

[rancid ember]

Okay so like. For the last two entries of the mirror what exactly should my strategy be?

GP/GL and FA/FP, what do I prioritize?

[indigo badge]

pride and persuasion

[rancid ember]

OK. Should I max one then go for the other, or-?

Pride first then persuasion?

[indigo badge]

get one or two persuasions for those early rerolls, then max pride

[rancid ember]

OK. Thank you. Whoo boy that's gonna be a lot of Darkness @.@ But I guess it'll go by fast enough...

[fervent radish]

Aphro special

[heavy turret]

I wanna point out that the name of the bow is actually an Irish word

I can't remember exactly what it means

[lavish sorrel]

it's the number of children zeus wishes he had

[exotic cliff]

“Coronach” means “funeral dirge” in Scottish Gaelic.

[exotic cliff]

Or it’s just (relatively) random. Chaotic, if you will.

[unreal zenith]

Does anyone know how to get the legendary boon bad news? It’s the last boon I have to find to finish the power without equal quest on the fated list and I cannot find it! 😂

[mint coral]

Needs stygian soul in the mirror

Use plume as it counts as a pre requisite for it

Also god's legacy it has a base chance of 1%

[unreal zenith]

Noted👀✍️ will definitely keep that in mind thanks for the help! Been stuck on this for months! 😂💙

[mint coral]

Same for using yarn of Ariadne (Charon well)/refreshing nectar (Eurydice)

Both give +10% to legendaries

[unreal zenith]

Ooh yes! Good eye I used the yarn from Charon’s well and the nectar from Eurydice as well to find the other legendary boons definitely helps I had no idea you had to use Stygian soul from the mirror though

[mint coral]

You should have a codex upgrade that tells you the boon list for each god

Which includes the pre requisites

[unreal zenith]

Ah yes! I see it that’s definitely helpful

Thank you for the help I definitely appreciate it 💙💙

[eager copper]

im trying to fill out my duo boon prophecy and its so annoying when i try to get 2 in one run, get one of them in tartarus and never get enough luck to get the next one i wanted

its happened twice in a row

i know it really doesnt matter

theres no reason to rush to get them done

but getting 1 new duo boon per run urks me

[eager copper]

finally

thanks prophecieshttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303476226664697886/1402808899664478280/image.png?ex=68954318&is=6893f198&hm=a0c78cc790e97c8b605e196012d34847794abb9cf531404529077d17619bb27e&

[rustic vale]

Chaos favour boons also give you a +10% epic chance and +10% legendary chance beyond the stated rare chance boost

so you can use them to boost your hermes legendary odds as well

[unreal zenith]

Yes! That’s actually how I got the other boons was from using the chaos Boons each portal I found I went in to find one 💙💙

[rancid ember]

Is there any usual advice for how to go about increasing Heat?

Is the base level of Tight Deadline usually a good start? Does the Hades boss fight count as its own section?

Extreme Measures looks likely to be INTERESTING at least, though I'd imagine it alters the dialogue and may be a "for later" thing?

[rustic vale]

TD is a pretty solid start like

36 / 28 /20 minutes is pretty easy to reliably knock out

[rancid ember]

My first clear was just over 28 total but I imagine was likely uneven across the biomes

[rustic vale]

All the time you have left after a biome carries over

[rancid ember]

Ooh!

That's good to know.

[rustic vale]

yeah

and even when you hit 0

you start taking 5 damage a second rather than losing outright

[rancid ember]

That gives a little breathing room, especially if you have any means of recovery/damage mitigation (assuming can be mitigated)

[rustic vale]

damage reduction doesn’t apply

but you can dodge the damage with invincibility frames

from empty dashing or calling

either way it’s really just a bit of a buffer when you hit 0 you shouldn’t be reliably running out of time

[rustic vale]

So yeah the first level should be a pretty easy take

36 minutes is a lot

You can also make a lot of good decisions during your run to lower the time spent

you can pause whenever you come to a crossroads to decide without time ticking down

you can take all the story rooms/ shops and chaos to dodge encounters

taking the two miniboss tunnels in styx first is a very reliable way to cut down on the amount of time you take there

Also just as you get better the time you take should shorten

[latent moon]

typically speaking, you can't really get back the hp taken from running out of time unless you're playing guan yu with quick spin

you could iframe it but then there's no guarantee you'd avoid enemy attacks either lmao

[vast raven]

Important thing to note is that you can only iframe the tight deadline damage when you are at 1 hp (or if you do the i frame when you are at ex: 3 hp your hp will instead be brought down to 1, same thing for 2-5 and 6 ofc you would just take the full five)

[wintry wolf]

My advice? Try beating EM 4 consistently

EM 4 is the most interesting by far

[rancid ember]

That's a while away for now, heh.

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-clash-royale-gif-27102869

[ashen hinge]

https://imgur.com/a/903bZ79
can we see what's behind it?

[rustic vale]

No

As far as I know there just isn’t a render underneath the sheet

[ashen hinge]

:(

[eager copper]

im guessing the final companion is from thanatos, but its like impossible to actually get an opportunity to give him gifts

[upbeat grail]

should i just try and main Poseidon with aspect of Poseidon or is there a better olympian to choose from for the aspect

[indigo badge]

artemis so you instantly open open wounds

[upbeat grail]

oh thats smart thanks

[mint coral]

Or aphro/athena for good casts

[eager copper]

my win/lose rate for em4 is about 30/70 at this point

hades is strong man

[upbeat grail]

/img

clocked

[covert current]

Ayo

[rancid ember]

Does the Well of Charon counter apply per path or per mini-chamber in Temple of Styx?

[vast raven]

per mini chamber

[rough wedge]

found our fav boy on on w/place :^D

https://wplace.live/?lat=-27.504451303878056&lng=153.25971646552733&zoom=15.691533051239224

[upbeat urchin]

whats the best pact of punishment to use? as in like whats the easiest? because ive gotta pick two gauges now

[rustic vale]

Typical starts are the first 1-3 levels of extreme measures and tight deadline iirc

you can just mix and match for your

prefered heat level

and then if you aren’t ready for the next level of tight deadline you can just substitute something else~

There’s a pretty good guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies that’ll take you through 1-20 and a teeny bit higher

[stiff obsidian]

[rancid ember]

It's amazing how one can have a build that entirely wrecks almost everything up until Hades and then is miserably useless against him lol

...if I'd been using my defense and my Charged Shot effectively I would have probably been fine...

I tend to forget I have charge attacks/shield defense

Was using Shield

[rancid ember]

WOW the Charon fight is rough

[mint coral]

Funny fight

Fwiw

His fight doesn't get more difficult the later on the run

So if you only need for that hermes prophecy/getting loyalty cards for the codez

[teal thunder]

when first starting out the pact of punishment, i noticed that all my clears were were much faster than 36 minutes, so tight deadline 1 was the most free heat point, then the same with tight deadline 2

extreme measures 1 and 2 are also quite easy, the furies fight just requires you to pay more attention to dodging and i honestly found the lernie fight easier with the tighter packed mini hydras, much easier to dps multiple ones at the same time
lasting consequences 1 barely made any difference imo

if you have dark foresight upgraded, underworld customs isn’t bad unless you got a god rng run, you’d usually have a boon or two you don’t mind letting go of

i’d say those are the “free” heats

it’s most likely that the guide in #h1-high-heat-strategies is more detailed, but this was from personal experience

[mint coral]

You can just take the fight In elysium where you are at your strongest and ignore if earlier

[teal thunder]

the first time i found out about the fight (i wasn’t aware how it works) was in tartarus, safe to say that was not fun

[mint coral]

Tartarus is the place where you get more value of his fight tbf

And hey if you die it was just tartarus

And also a lot of his difficulty comes from not practicing his patterns

So just take it when you can and you'll see how manageable he is

(he still punishes hard any mistake ofc)

[teal thunder]

yeah it’s genuinely not a bad fight when you figure out how his patterns work

only issue with facing him in tartarus is that the fight might take a while because in a lot of cases you might not have your build going at the time

and because longer time to kill, more chances to make mistakes

[mint coral]

I'd add middle management too tbh, a lot of them are not that big of a change (even better if you have summons access)

[teal thunder]

yeah that one was is my go-to next, the megagorgon and skull guy is a bit more difficult, barge’s is annoying, but the rest aren’t half bad

that to me is the next more free points, albeit not entirely free compared to the rest

[mellow plinth]

Yeah especially considering his move set is very easy to dodge

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1283257373187903488/bonk.gif?ex=66e2560f&is=66e1048f&hm=d8606fd8a562a9c934ed0d28ea128a5139e107a103718dd8edc9f86403f8062e&

[eager copper]

charon really should scale a little bit

[haughty heron]

Hello all!
Not sure if I'm in the right channel but here it goes.

How am i supposed to get tge Eternal Rest prophecy? I've already:

• gave 6 Nectars to Skelly
• unlocked all but last aspect of each weapon
• maxed Zagreus aspect sword

From all guides I've found online I meet at requisites but the prophecy never pops.

Any tips? Thanks!

[eager copper]

rng

wait for the dialogue to pop up

the prophecy is triggered by skelly dialogue

should work eventually

[eager copper]

first time getting defiance from chaos after like 95 runs

i thought it would RESTORE a death defiance

not ADD ANOTHER

thats very valuable

[solemn brook]

man this game is unfair

how did I only get ONE zeus boon this entire run

ONE

it's a sea storm build and I got nada zeus

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[tepid plover]

wrong channel

[dark willow]

Oops

I am dumb

[rustic vale]

It happens

Your only real ways to mitigate the odds of this happening are filling your god pool early and running Dark Foresight on the mirror

[gritty cedar]

I love RNG so much

[idle girder]

frens, i've a question
let's say i can pick a seed on one pc, how can i save this seed and load it in another pc with hades 1 installed

(i'm going to a fren's place tonight and i might be bored, so running flurry jab speedo might save me from boredom)

[lavish sorrel]

you can copy the ProfileX_Temp.sav (where X is the save file slot number) file over if you know where those are located (Documents\Saved Games\Hades), yes

unless your friend or you don't play on PC, then you're mostly out of luck. which isn't your case, since you mentioned both of you play on pc

[late hatch]

What do the cutscenes of hades saying something before a run actually do?

[tepid plover]

They say something

[late hatch]

Ye but what

And why

[tepid plover]

Why not

Its his domain, he gets to do it

It does nothing, just hades being trynna be a cool dad

[rustic vale]

They give you some lore or tell you a bit more about dad’s pov and zagreus upbringing

[spare wasp]

what are yalls standard 20 heat conditions

[fringe dust]

isnt there just the steam cloud save

thats how i did it when i ran live at fastest furs...

(besides installing the mods)

[solemn brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387122320241590504/1403852765960208446/image.png?ex=68990f45&is=6897bdc5&hm=74761ded69b2c29ebc4d5e0784364ec06c9239c5c1c05e61f05dcdbe4df536d1& roflmao

zag zigs instead of zags

[lavish sorrel]

can be unreliable + they didn't mention whether or not both own the game on steam specifically

for all we know the friend may have it on epic for example

[vast raven]

TD3, EM2, FO2, CF1, HL3, and HS would be mine but probably not the best for a newer player you can look in high heat strategies pins for some additional resources regarding this though

[spare wasp]

bet personally i prefer em4 bp2 mm and td2

[vast raven]

wouldn’t personally recommend em4 for 20h but you do you ig

[rustic vale]

EM4 earlier than 45 heat 💔

[spare wasp]

@rustic vale I don't get always doing 45 heat like sure it keeps things interesting but sometimes it's just annoying

[latent moon]

the point he's making is that you're taking em4 super early

you realistically dont need to take em4 until about 45 heat

[tepid plover]

realistically you dont need to take it, ever

[zinc trellis]

when you're halfway through Elysium and accidentally select the worst hammer upgrade 🙃

[rustic vale]

No I mean you wouldn’t catch me willingly putting EM4 on a pact at any heat level lower than that

[spare wasp]

@rustic vale I get what you mean but after doimg a few hundred runs It became boring and repetitive

[rustic vale]

idk

[tepid plover]

thats just on the game, lowering the heat isnt gonna fix that

[rustic vale]

I’m sitting on like 379 clears last I checked and I’m going fine 😁

It’s just

subjective

[latent moon]

if it's boring and repetitive, you can increase the heat more

[tepid plover]

yeah is fine if youre getting bored, but thats not really a high heat issue

to each their own

[rustic vale]

I got done with high heat and I started doing speedrunning instead because I found myself enjoying it

[tepid plover]

i hit a sweet spot around 30 ish heat

[rustic vale]

After 40 I think all the remaining options are more annoying than they are added fun through extra challengr

[tepid plover]

me when i remotely think of adding tight deadline 1

[rustic vale]

[tepid plover]

that red timer is the bane of my existence, even if it says 2hours

[rustic vale]

Me when I remotely think about having em3 on a pact

[latent moon]

cover the timer with a piece of paper lmfao

[tepid plover]

LOL

if i play without em4 it doesnt count

[latent moon]

you can still run td with em4 relatively fine

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover same ngl

[tepid plover]

oh im not running td, did it for a prophecy, never again

annoyed h2 is sort of forcing me to use it xd

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover what's your avarage run time look like

[tepid plover]

20-30 mins

depends on what ap2 gives me

[latent moon]

oh right you always have ap2 on that's why lmfao

yeah keep td off

you'll need it

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover td 1 is still basically free heat

[tepid plover]

even without ap2 i still wouldnt use td

[tepid plover]

i know, i have no need of heat lol

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover I wish that were the case somehow i still need to 40 heat stygian blade

[tepid plover]

thats your self impossed need to do 40, valid

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover more like a curse tbh

[tepid plover]

[indigo badge]

just wait until you get the self imposed need to do 50 heat on every weapon 🔥

[spare wasp]

@indigo badge just can't wait

@indigo badge for that layer of hell

[tepid plover]

im so glad that never happened to me xd

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover it's gonna be worse the second I get my hands on hades 2

[tepid plover]

just you wait

[indigo badge]

actually 50 is quite easy in hades 2

[tepid plover]

compared to h1, yes

[indigo badge]

easier than h1 i mean

[tepid plover]

because of no ap

[spare wasp]

@indigo badge that's reassuring

@indigo badge what's the worst thing to get used to in hades 2 compared to 1

[tepid plover]

less dash spam

[spare wasp]

@tepid plover the ruthless reflex flash backs haunt me

[indigo badge]

you only get 1 dash there

[silver wren]

how i feel finally getting the thorn of thanatos:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/709295542227959879/1403880711810973799/a6543a243590ecb740c8557043fe530a.png?ex=6899294c&is=6897d7cc&hm=16a63d229ec3620405db8950f8187d11bc82d9870100aa689aff4bcc7ffdf585&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=600&height=460

[tepid plover]

lmfao

is that the butterfly achievement?

[silver wren]

yees

turns out it was much easier to just upgrade it and then do the run

[rustic vale]

We’ve had this conversation already

Like

A lot

Wait why does everyone one of your messages @ somebody

[indigo badge]

he doesn't know about the reply function 🤫

[rancid ember]

Okay so like why does Poseidon's Aid qualify for Sea Storm?

[rustic vale]

Wdym

It’s pretty normal for calls to qualify for duos

It’s like a pseudo-core

[rancid ember]

I mean why would you even WANT Sea Storm if the Aid is the only Poseidon you have? You get so few hits out of that lol

[rustic vale]

you still get a bonus

[rancid ember]

I ended up taking the +10% god gauge bonus instead

Because that seemed better lol

[rustic vale]

also you can pair it with tidal dash since tidal dash doesn’t open sea storm

[rancid ember]

Oh

That would make sense

[rustic vale]

the requirements for a few duos actually exclude a dash core because they were too consistent and strong when you could open them with the abusive dash

So sea storm, deadly reversal, merciful end

[rancid ember]

YES I GOT MERCIFUL END

I managed to achieve it by rerolling on Athena boon in Styx shop @.@

[rancid ember]

...ah. No image perms

I was going to show the ridiculous gate setup I got at the end of a chamber lol

Demeter/Zeus god trial
Erebus Pomgate
Chaos Gate
Mid-shop for Charon

...uh. God trial? Currently the only boons I have are Demeter Special and Zeus cast... Not counting the "Ambiguity bonus" from Bouldy lol

[rustic vale]

You can send embedded images with image links

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IMG_2293.png?ex=6898b1e1&is=68976061&hm=6670af726380c5853ce645c4fae266ec77b5c167b186a30966194c08625502fa&

[rancid ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675754777115885615/1403905878545006642/image.png?ex=689940bc&is=6897ef3c&hm=d3c07cff4bddb41cc66f39bf24222413321633856ade3b476c8901986b8967ac&

Here we go

[rustic vale]

Between chaos or shop tbh

[rancid ember]

I'm running Eris but I got spread fire so I don't think I actually want Lightning Strike lol

[rustic vale]

Actually what weapon is this

oh

Spreadfire eris is certainly a thing

I’d take chaos then

You can potentially get a boost to your strike/dash-strike/special damage or even your presence option

[rancid ember]

OK! Thank you.

[rustic vale]

which is just massive between spreadfire and your special on rail

[rancid ember]

I got "hurt on attack then get bloodstone", "superpowered traps then cast+64%, and "hurt on cast then get more than doubled gems/darkness"

If I werent

Er

If I weren't on fresh heat the last one would be even better than is presently, but I probably want to go for the improved effectiveness, especially since I'm experimenting with EM4

Second one's probably best unless I use a reroll

I COULD reroll, technically, but...

[rustic vale]

3rd one has the least impactful curse

[rustic vale]

Tbh I pretty much exclusively use my rerolls to dodge bad chaos and guarantee good hermes

And then wells after that

Unless I need need different core options

[rancid ember]

Ah! This is good to know

Also I kind of am realizing I hate spread fire lol

...or maybe I need to figure out how to mindfully take advantage of it...

Even so I barely made it to (and not past) the Elysium boss and that was with actually fairly minimal trouble with the actual bosses lol

Oh well. I at least got the hammer out of the way for the prophecy

[rustic vale]

zag rail

I think it takes a different breed of player to make good use of it on eris otherwise you want zag rail

On zag rail it’s super easy and just pumps out base damage fast like there’s no tomorrow

[rancid ember]

Does the improved ammo capacity improve the speed at which the bullets come out? If it does then that makes sense I guess, otherwise it's hard to imagine a simple matter of fewer reloads making that much difference

Or maybe it's just an "I have to actually experience it to understand" thing

[rustic vale]

Fewer reloads does make a significant difference

It makes the amount of uptime you have on your shooting frankly insane

[eager copper]

my keepsake cabinet is getting so close to 100%

i just need thanatos and aphrodite bond

1 more ambrosia for each of them

getting that last thanatos is gonna be annoying

[eager copper]

got thanatos

im guessing aphrodite is just rng from here on out

[rustic vale]

If thanatos was your second last bond to forge

Then yeah aphrodite would need to be the last one

And it’s just rng dialogue from there

Now that you have thans bond

[rancid ember]

Are there any hidden effects to smashing urns if you don't have Harpy's Feather Duster on?

[vast raven]

nope

only gold pots, which look visually different

[eager copper]

0.02% chance you find a charon membership card

[vast raven]

i wish

[rustic vale]

Yes

Actually

it shifts the seed over by a little

the same value as all other rng shifting actions

[rancid ember]

Ooh, interesting

[rustic vale]

So when you’re seeding a run or rng manipping you can force changes based on how many pots you break

[rancid ember]

That's cool to know! I'd like to learn how that works.

[rustic vale]

It’s kind of just applicable for the start of the run and at bouldy and taking anvil in styx

Unless you really get into the weeds

[rustic vale]

And eury too*

but Eury is a bit weird

sometimes pots work and sometimes pots don’t and I can’t explain that

But other rng manip actions do work within a specific timeframe for eury

Anyways for bouldy and anvil you can quit out of the game after you recieve the heart of stone buff or the anvil hammers

and load back in and shift rng a different amount

to get a new heart of stone buff or a new anvil roll

most commonly done with cast stones hitting the ground or summoning compared to breaking pots

Or if you start a run and hit give-up it puts you back in the house of Hades prior to your run

So you can have the same tartarus up to a point and then cast or break pots or summon

To get a new tartarus after that point

Although it’s pretty easy to accidentally break pots in tartarus during combat

or reload if we’re talking about the rail, which is the last trigger

breaking pots/ reloading/ cast stones hitting the ground / hitting the summon button

[rancid ember]

Ooh, can you do it before picking up a hammer to manipulate the result?

Probably not worth doing for a long room, but...

[rustic vale]

technically but there isn’t really a way to get to a hammer and then reroll it

As soon as you pick up that hammer you can’t quit back out

or sorry

I have my timing mixed up

[rancid ember]

Does it autosave when you pick it up?

[rustic vale]

You can’t quit out prior to the hammer, and it autosaves then

So you can’t get back to before hand

yeah

[rancid ember]

What happens if you force quit the program?

[rustic vale]

ummm

Iirc you just lose the run

like

giving up

but I wouldn’t know

I haven’t done it and nobody really talks about this aside from me and select speedrunners for routed runs

[rancid ember]

Hmm, I see

[spare wasp]

has anybody willingly done a lucifer artimes run without cluster or triple bomb

[lavish sorrel]

my question is "why would anyone want to"

[mint coral]

Everyone does a lucifer run without cluster

It comes free with not being compatible with your aspect

[spare wasp]

i just thought i had trouble encountering it turns out i couldn't

[spare wasp]

masochism

[stoic verge]

Hardest boss in hades is ||Charon|| ngl

[tepid plover]

Debatable, in tartarus? yes, in elysium? not so much

[rustic vale]

Hades is pretty hard in tartarus too

C2 dad fight

[eager copper]

i only ever fight charon in elysium for safety reasons so i have no idea

but most of the time i shred him

[tepid plover]

I fight charon whenever it shows up

[rustic vale]

Charon fight in tartarus is the best, most value for winning for the least lost if you die

[tepid plover]

^

Also the fight is the same, so after a while he becomes really easy even in tart, just very tanky, he hits very hard but also got very clear tells

[stoic verge]

His patterns are predictible but he hits like a truck lmao

[autumn jewel]

agree dad is much harder to dodge

[tepid plover]

But he's predictable, don't get hit

[ashen hinge]

https://imgur.com/a/pzRcMLo
do we know what is this

[mint coral]

Teleporter basically

Dad uses it to go to the surface for his fight

[ashen hinge]

ohhh

[rugged plank]

*Daddy

[bronze drift]

[gilded quest]

[ashen hinge]

[covert current]

[keen copper]

Hello, don't know where I can ask, but there's somewhere I can find Persephone model/art on all angles? (need it for cosplay references)

[mint coral]

I'd prob ask in the modding discord (invitation link pinned in #self-promotion )

[keen copper]

thanks! Iwll look for that

[late hatch]

chaos a bit freaky rn

he's giving me +69% dmg when i attack foes from behind

[stiff obsidian]

💀

[lavish sorrel]

the game refers to chaos as they/them btw

[late hatch]

oh

alr

but thats freaky asf

[ashen hinge]

I'm 22k out of 25k for the Infinity theme

I sacrificed half my mirror first and now I'm darkness maxxing as much as possible
Dark thirst, Chaos gates, low heat

oh and sisyphus companion

[rancid ember]

Which is better, a Trial of the Gods which might have a wanted Aid, or a Hermes boon?

[rustic vale]

hermes

[rancid ember]

OK, thank you

[rustic vale]

Trial is usually not worth it unless you need need boons from one/both

[rustic vale]

RTA speedpact ~ pos for oceans bounty and chaos eclipse maxxing)?

[rancid ember]

...I just encountered something new and unusual

Elysium champions splitting on death then exploding with pink

Seems relate to the Weak debuff somehow?

[mint coral]

benefit package perk

[rustic vale]

BP

bruh

[mint coral]

exclusive to elysium soldiers

[rustic vale]

It makes a bunch of fake spirits that you don’t need to kill whenever you kill a brightsword/archer/longspear/greatshield

[rancid ember]

Oh! That makes sense

[rancid ember]

Thank you, heh

It's interesting how I used to think of Theseus and Asterius as a superthreat and now I just basically stomp them unless I'm having a very bad run. I see people debating whether to go after Asterius or Theseus first and I'm just like "you don't murderize them both simultaneously?"

[vast raven]

That is the general speedrun strat for when you have build

[latent moon]

Generally speaking if you don't have the DPS, you'd kill asterius first tho

[ashen hinge]

https://imgur.com/a/22ks6OL

finally

infinite theme >:)

now i need to keymaxx and nectarmaxx but i don't think there's a way around that besides just picking their room every time they show up

aaand dionysus has a boon that gives you +1 nectar but that's it

[rustic vale]

Gemstone farming -> trading for your resources

helps at least

[ashen hinge]

ohh thats true

[rustic vale]

And fishing whenever you can

Perfect catches net a bunch of whichever resource that biome gives

[mint coral]

Aspho/keys
Ely/nectar

Rare fish is like 3? Legendary is 5

[rustic vale]

Sounds correct

[coarse locust]

@everyoneHello

[rustic vale]

What is this behaviour

It’s understandably disabled but why would you do that for your first message in a discord with 100000 people

Why would you do that as your first message anywhere

[tepid plover]

discord automatically hid it, checks out, also nice feature

[stoic verge]

Bruh i was in styx and i closed the game because i missclicked the wrong boon

I boot the game again and im at the house…

[rustic vale]

This is why the game normally only lets you leave a run in specific circumstances

The game isn’t coded to allow you to save-scum for 95% of things

[stoic verge]

sadge

[tepid plover]

~~you can recover the run using one of the fixes in #h1-tech-fixes ~~

tho its gonna take a bit of work

but yeah, devs dont like the save scummy mctimmy

[pearl summit]

Is it normal to have the opportunity to steal from Charon so rarely ?

[stoic verge]

Its fine i made another run ^^

i just lost the fullfiled prophecy (beat charon twice) but its fine

[mint coral]

Is like a 22% on each midshop

[pearl summit]

Oooh alr

[flint imp]

Yo I got a question…. Is it possible to not free Orpheus and get ending, if so what happens?

[teal thunder]

yes, orpheus doesn't affect your ending. I'm almost certain i free'd him after getting the true ending

[tepid plover]

You get the ending while Orpheus still not freed

[late hatch]

can someone explain to me how the total foes slain shown in that bath thingy in my room is somehow 13000 off my actual count that i calculated by adding every weapons total foes slain together???

it says its 40300

but i only get to 27200

[indigo badge]

maybe it counts non weapon kills

like jolted or poseidon splashes or god calls

[tepid plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391754174026223728/1405539276153950339/RDT_20250814_0811041975909899281330786.jpg?ex=689f31f5&is=689de075&hm=ac94e4ceaa82e3067b448bfeb710933c05fb1ac6efcc89ebc3325becd4286e49&

[flint imp]

Then does Zag mention him? Does he even sing?

[rustic vale]

What

I don’t think you understand the ending

you don’t finish the save file when you reach the credits

You cannot get to a point where you can no longer play a save file storywise

[vast raven]

only way you can no longer play a file is by amounting too many runs on it

at which point the game will stop saving your progress

[azure sonnet]

Hello chat I'm new to this server AND new to Hades I'm really enjoying the game so far so I joined this server

[rustic vale]

Hades is rlly just that good ik

[azure sonnet]

Fr it is

What would yall say the most active channel is on this server?

[silver wren]

PLEASE correct me if im wrong but i remember someone having a boon that makes it where you god gauge charges up faster the more damage you give out

i already know of Zeus's, Artemis's, Poseidon's, Athena's and Hermes's god gauge upgrades

[rustic vale]

that’s just Zeus’s, which boosts the god gauge gain from both damage given and damage taken

Unless you’re talking about some sort of accelerating effect? which just doesn’t exist

[flint imp]

Okay think I’m a little confused, I mean the credits when zag drops a line (at least for me) saying “is that Orpheus and Eurydice?” Then they sing? The only conditions is getting to the end 9 times right? Does only Eurydice sing? Is it possible to have horrible rng so Eurydice doesn’t get encountered?

I meant “In the blood” in credits

[rustic vale]

It’s possible that you could just never interact with Eurydice before the credits

I’m actually not sure if he still says the line if you sequence break like that

afaik no one has ever documented that

[vast raven]

h1 related channels arent very active anymore, h2 stuff being the most active as its the most recent sgg title other than that the off topic channels get a fair amount of activity too

[azure sonnet]

Oh I see well ty

[rustic vale]

Ngl like 80% of the H1 channels activity nowadays are people who have been playing Hades for hundreds/thousands of hours talking about the game to each other

eh maybe more like 70%

Other 30% is answering questions

[flint imp]

Huh I’m like really interested in this tho I wish someone knew

[mint coral]

you could prob ask in modding discord if there's lines for that

[rustic vale]

Or

just sicc Alexca on it

or some other ff runner

I feel like they’d have a fairly easy time streaking for the first 10 runs to minimise forced eury odds

although tbf whenever you would be forced to take a eury room you can just give up the run and go for a modified seed after a certain point

[eager copper]

im fairly certain nothing would change

[elder tulip]

question: for boons tha upgrade the Special, does that also apply to Dash + Special like for the gauntlets weapon thingie?

[solemn brook]

only the gauntlets have a dash special, so most likely not?

[lavish sorrel]

Depends on the boon

Chaos "-x hp when you use a special" curses do not activate on dash-uppers. Some special-related hammers do not activate on dash-uppers. Everything else does.

[drowsy kettle]

wait really? what's the limit?

[elder tulip]

okay noted, i pretty much screwed myself over that entire run yet still made it to hades 😭

and speaking of him this is the third time in a row i die to him 💔

[lavish sorrel]

there is no hard limit, the game just refuses to save increasingly often

it starts happening very rarely but still occasionally after around 2000 runs

[drowsy kettle]

ah gotcha

[elder tulip]

why does that happen

[lavish sorrel]

the game tracks the data of every run in a giant table

[elder tulip]

why doesn't it save the current state of the file instead and just overwrite the past

[lavish sorrel]

this interactable object https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695178152325939303/1405863659204247703/image.png?ex=68a06010&is=689f0e90&hm=362f969c79d94f71abb626d2eccd7703d8e318dad19fd0e9ef47582199fae853&

[rustic vale]

So that you can look back at your run records

[elder tulip]

hmm maybe when i stop sucking at the game this might be handy

[hazy flame]

Wait, is Skelly's design based on the looks of ||Darren Korb|| ?

[sharp pewter]

I have a dream! that I'll make an art of cerberus in wplace!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[indigo badge]

beware of deltarune fans

[sharp pewter]

i am painting it on an half island in turkey, i doubt any deltarune fan is gonna see it

[vast raven]

ik where to put the next ralsei plush no-

[sharp pewter]

wplace made me hate deltarune fans so much

and im a deltarune fan

[rustic vale]

I have yet to see a picture of wplace artwork without a deltarune thing somewhere in the image

[exotic cliff]

Having completed the Codex for every entry except the Loyalty Card, Onion, Voidskate and one other entry, on my last run of today (so far)… I finally got my first Trout.

[drowsy kettle]

lmao

[polar aspen]

Gods Nyx is such a good mother for zagreus

[remote wren]

me when no nectar

[tepid plover]

nyx be a great mother to everyone but her own children

[polar aspen]

xD i mean she doesnt seem that bad towards Hypnos

[tepid plover]

she doesnt seem like anything at all towards him

[sand night]

Hello chat! I'm new, I'm playing h2 but getting back into h1 after a year or so away. Absolutely in love with h2, but letting that one slow burn a bit. Thought I'd join the discord server 🙂

[polar aspen]

sure but its not like she actively hates him, she does ask Zag if her son is doing his job okay, and if theres anythign wrong with him

[split moss]

Hello :D Is it here that I can get help when reporting an in-game bug?

[teal thunder]

#h1-tech-support is your best bet

[split moss]

Thank you!!

[weak iris]

I beat Than 28-0. Idk ig he was just jacking off the entire time.

[stiff obsidian]

true

[rancid ember]

I mean to be fair the game makes a point of going on about his specialty isn't really taking those who die in combat anyway, without actually swinging his scythe around like a maniac it's already kind of impressive how quickly he can re-kill the already-dead with his magic given that power is wholly tangential to his specialty

(though it's also not like it would be surprising if he was going easy on Zag anyway, heh)

[hazy flame]

Is it just me or is the Bone Hydra a very different difficulty level from one run to another?

Does anyone know what can cause the fight to be/feel so different? For example, sometimes it spits out 'enemy-eggs' and sometimes not, sometimes there is a skull-crusher and sometimes not, sometimes it grows only three heads at a time, sometimes four? (Or am I miscounting because... it's all chaotic)

[mint coral]

Each run it has a different main color which as you noticed changes the moveset it has

And the small hydras can't have the same color as the main head

Blue = headslams
Orange = magma
Pink = projectiles
Green = eggs

[hazy flame]

Thanks, I'll pay some more attention to the color of the main head next time

So far I am usually just panicking.

[mint coral]

(eggs in specific if left alone end up summoning enemies)

[hazy flame]

I usually try to get the eggs before they hatch

I think officially they're called teeth but I think eggs works better as a description 😄

[rustic vale]

It always summons 3 heads after the first phase, and then 6 after the second

[vast raven]

and there will always be only 2 different colors for the smaller heads for main head's invulnerable phases

also the orange heads will spit out "darts" very low tracking projectiles as well

i believe its the pink ones that will also do a "lunge" at zag that or thats a universal trait of all the heads that i just didnt notice lol

[craggy garden]

What's your guy's favorite boon/weapon combo? I like the 4th shield and Ares main

[weak iris]

Spear / flurry jab /extended jab / Athena reflect attack boon.

[exotic cliff]

Probably Chiron bow with Doom Special being supported by Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom. It’s neat when you can get Doom to hit for ~700.

[thorny trellis]

hi, is there any strategy to this game? because i find i am just spamming space, m1 and Q, theres so much stuff happening on the screen i just press what i can!

[indigo badge]

enemies have set attack patterns, take it slow and see what they do, then dodge accordingly

[thorny trellis]

but when there is lots of the screen and they dash, its very fast space

i am heavily relying on these dash upgrades that give aoe attacks on the ground

i am trying to press space, then m1. not often i use q, wind up takes too long

maybe i will try ruthless reflex

[tepid plover]

there are different heads that do different things

oh im late

[hazy flame]

Haha, thank you anyway. Yeah that I understood, but the thing is that sometimes I'm having a cakewalk and sometimes it's very tricky.

Even knowing the heads all do other things, it is striking how different it feels

[hazy flame]

Oh yeah I felt like that too when I started but I did develop a sort of instinct for how to move around the room better. The longer you play the less chaotic the encounters seem

[thorny trellis]

idk i just spam click they all jump me. idk, seems to work. and i just get any boon i dont know any synergies yet. i cant beat the dark souls 1 copy paste boss. tried twice so far think i need to get more damage

[hazy flame]

Oh I click spam myself a lot too. I'm not a great player. But you do get a better feel for it, really.

[tepid plover]

some weapons do better agaisnt certain head

[hazy flame]

Good point

[craggy garden]

I'm gonna try that. I hadn't played Hades for like 3 years and came back to it recently.

[hazy flame]

I also think it depends on whether the RNG has decided to bless me or not

[tepid plover]

indeed

[craggy garden]

I usually see video game stories as an annoyance and a barrier to the gameplay. The story in Hades though is super interesting and I really like how the concept of Greek Mythology is executed and utilized here. Plus I can read the dialogue at my own pace, rather than unskippable cutscenes.

[stiff obsidian]

every weapon has an optimal rotation that becomes muscle memory after a while

[thorny trellis]

mmm ok

[autumn jewel]

blue = goodbye DD

[exotic cliff]

Just did 1836 damage on one hit against the Big Guy… and then did 3 damage in another hit in the same battle.

[autumn jewel]

damn what build are you running

[exotic cliff]

Arthur + Aphro Attack + Pressure Points primarily got me that.

The 3 came from smacking into the end of the first third of his HP bar.

[stiff obsidian]

oh

[autumn jewel]

wait you are calling Dad the Big Guy?