#h1-discussion

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rustic vale
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your build has to be more compact

silk marsh
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It gives less flexibility and identity to each run

rustic vale
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but I really enjoy the figuring out what’s best at each boon choice

silk marsh
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Which is counterintuitive to the games intentions

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And that's lame

old bluff
silk marsh
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But it's always the same options

old bluff
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A good player will get a very similar build every time

rustic vale
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It makes every run definitely unique

silk marsh
rustic vale
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You get roughly the same cores

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everything else

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I think

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that’s my like

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brain braining

old bluff
vast raven
old bluff
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Ap2 throws a huge wrench in that

old bluff
silk marsh
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Yeah I agree

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Thats what I'm saying too

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And I feel like the game was intended to have you messing with different combos and synergies

old bluff
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54 heat kicked my ass

silk marsh
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And limiting that ability seems counter intuitive to the parts of the game that make it interesting

rustic vale
vast raven
old bluff
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I died to reg dad three times on Hestia

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Never again

rustic vale
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Most I’ve done is reset and seed for good hammers so I could sub10 sword and fists since it was pissing me off

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my fist gameplay is actually better now though

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but my sword gameplay def needed the crutch

old bluff
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Sword without dedge is so bleh

vast raven
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dedge good

rustic vale
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I noticed I could make roughly the same pace w/ Breaching Slash as I did w/ Double Edge tizomg

old bluff
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Only ME works well

rustic vale
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atp where it’s like

rustic vale
latent moon
old bluff
rustic vale
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My breaching slash runs often had the same pace up to ely as dedge did

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wait

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I just

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said that

old bluff
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World splitter is fake

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Bruh

rustic vale
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big brain

latent moon
rustic vale
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yeah

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armour shred is armour shred thou

latent moon
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or you just happened to play better with breaching lmfao

rustic vale
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It was tdash start -> crit nem

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It’s just spear and shield left in the above 10 minute pb atp

latent moon
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beo time!

old bluff
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That’s what I’ve been saying!

rustic vale
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Beo feels so weird

latent moon
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good luck with achilles tho that thing's dumb

rustic vale
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I could do a run

rustic vale
old bluff
rustic vale
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The d-strikes are just narrow

latent moon
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yeah

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do ME on spear lmfao

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it would be funny

old bluff
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It works

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I tried before

rustic vale
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ME Beo

old bluff
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Jazz moment

vast raven
rustic vale
old bluff
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Do chaos

rustic vale
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Zeus is my best shield time

latent moon
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zeus speed kinda dubious

rustic vale
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at like 10:57

vast raven
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its not that bad

old bluff
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Better than the other two

latent moon
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it's not but still dubious

old bluff
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Beo obviously wins but

latent moon
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it's a lot more brain power to maintain the special and you could just end up going slower lmfao

rustic vale
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My zeus is more than 2 minutes faster than my beo I’d be down to keep using zeus

old bluff
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It beats ever other aspect too

rustic vale
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but what’s the speedrun build for zeus

latent moon
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well i was comparing zeus to zag shield tbf

rustic vale
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Z^2? ME?

old bluff
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Me

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Er

vast raven
old bluff
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Zap still works kinda

latent moon
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zag shield is just straight forward and a lot easier to figure out what to do

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with zeus you gotta think more

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and unfortunately i cannot do that

old bluff
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Zag is so boring tho

latent moon
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yeah but it's easier

old bluff
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Just cshot and win

latent moon
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yea

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me realizing how to cheese 53 heat

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"oh just cshot better"

rustic vale
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Cheese 58 heat take off td

vast raven
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gilga looking

rustic vale
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mmm

old bluff
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Until you get an armored shield room and cry

rustic vale
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The Alexca special for 58 heat zaggrin

latent moon
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nah i just get speared through shield block

rustic vale
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World Splitter /Cursed Slash

old bluff
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Doesn’t have to worry about that

latent moon
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i think i still got speared once

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can't remember tho

old bluff
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Bruh

latent moon
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hey man it happens

old bluff
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Doesn’t Beo have like like 270 degrees of block

rustic vale
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359° but close

old bluff
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Bruh

latent moon
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lmfao

old bluff
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It’s that high

rustic vale
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No

latent moon
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i thought it was like 135

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and it favored one side

rustic vale
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135 makes sense

latent moon
rustic vale
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by

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a decent margin

latent moon
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it's more than 180 apparently lmfao

rustic vale
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Am right

mint coral
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I love the beo block

latent moon
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but yeah i prob got stabbed on the left side

rustic vale
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Time to reset until I find a weapon that gets good hammers

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Oh

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Sub10 with charged flight beo

old bluff
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No

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That’s a sin

rustic vale
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where’s the problem

old bluff
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You know what

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Try it

rustic vale
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I want to

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This will be very silly

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I guess I’ll swap keepsakes to aphro

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Or would I rather keep pos for tdash

vast raven
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charged flight beo? what is this, EA?

rustic vale
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And find whatever +% goddess I can find

rustic vale
old bluff
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I love how they felt the need to nerf Beo charged flight iirc, but not cshot

rustic vale
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Wait this does

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200 damage

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off rip

mint coral
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It used to be +400% dusa

rustic vale
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I have High Confidence

rustic vale
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huh

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Do I want to

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reroll chaos

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for special damage

vast raven
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if you had arti spec i probably would

rustic vale
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I already have epic aphro flourish but more damage can’t hurttt

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Wait

old bluff
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It can hurt the enemies zagpls

rustic vale
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“Everytime you attack, -4 hp”

  • strike damage
    “Everytime you cast, -4hp”
  • cast damage
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“trap damage”
+darkness and gemstones

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I see a pattern going on

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Anyhow

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I don’t really care about any of these

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Does swift flourish boost

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charged flight charge time

vast raven
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i want to say its just the throw animation but im not sure

rustic vale
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Either way not looking at Hermes rn

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but

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Trying to figure out how important saving my rerolls will be

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I’m tempted to spend one here bc I have 4 and no duos in mind

old bluff
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Prob not super tbh

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Rd is great here either

vast raven
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scaling 😌

old bluff
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Cuz you already have 360% additive

rustic vale
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uh

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I have +160% additive

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charged flight is base damage

old bluff
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Is it?

rustic vale
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Yep

old bluff
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I thought it was percent increase

rustic vale
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That’s why +400% was so strong

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Am looking at it in inventory rn

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It says base damage

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The damage numbers I looked at earlier

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check out for base damage

old bluff
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Bruh

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Why is almost nothing else base damage

rustic vale
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All the “charged” hammers are base damage

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Charged skewer, charged shot, charged volley,

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why am I forgetting the name of the charge for fists

mint coral
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Flying upper(?)

rustic vale
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there are two iirc

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the other one

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is it kinetic launcher

mint coral
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Yeah

rustic vale
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either way both flying cutter and kinetic launcher do base damage alterations

mint coral
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Kinetic has a power shot

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Which is like bad iirc lol

rustic vale
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hhmm

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First hermes or second pos from tart midshop

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I got tdash

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Hermes means less pommables

latent moon
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allegedly

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you just like don't use it for the power shot lmao

rustic vale
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Curse of Agony on beo strike what is this

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Curse of Longing ahh

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Wait

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That might not be half bad here

latent moon
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curse of longing would actually do some damage at least

mint coral
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Love kinetic myself

latent moon
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fair

rustic vale
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which

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between curse of agony, heartbreak flourish and tidal dash

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not a bad boon at all

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Um

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Hold on

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Why is this one of my best tart paces

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what’s Meg’s max hp

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Wait so

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let me write these down

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my tart exit was 2:0x something

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My aspho exit was 3:36.05

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what in the rng

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I got a lot of free rooms

vast raven
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sub 7 able probably (if you had flood mirage shot beo)

rustic vale
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Guys

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Charged Shot or Explosive zreturn lmao

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Cshot w/ no cast

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I want explosive to go with the nature of the run

vast raven
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er is funny, but cshot is probably just better for your damage rotation

rustic vale
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My damage rotation rn is just

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Special

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Dash around

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Oh btw I got purple hyper delivery

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with tidal dash

vast raven
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fair, take er then and enjoy the catch damage

rustic vale
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Got sweet nectar

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for

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poms gallore everywhere

latent moon
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charged special has 0 wind up time doesn't it

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could you play it like bad zeus lmfao

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throw it in their face

rustic vale
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guys

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I’m

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going to have the stupidest

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Boss fight clips

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after this

vast raven
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is pace still pacing?

rustic vale
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6:39 ely

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which

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with like no free rooms

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Actually

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2 free rooms

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Chaos and shop

vast raven
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mid boss scammed, damn

rustic vale
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oh wait

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I did get bball

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bball went down in like

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2 seconds flat

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I managed to unintentionally kill the first spirit it spawned

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between my meg and the charged throw

vast raven
rustic vale
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I try to get boiling blood and then it just loads the cast

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Where are my ichors

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I’ve rolled at every well

mint coral
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I ate them sorry

rustic vale
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7:43.33 styx exit

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8:32.47

vast raven
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8:3x?

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lfg!

rustic vale
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Guys

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I can’t keep my hands steady

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for the photo

rustic vale
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Since the special only hits 2 targets then returns

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it helped me a ton w/ the melee enemies in ely

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since they’d group up and then there would be a billion (4 or 5) spirits

silk marsh
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Wack

barren pilot
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Hello I am new to the game

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Any tips

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And am losing to Megaera

rustic vale
barren pilot
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How much difference is between god mode and non god mode ?

indigo badge
barren pilot
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It ok no not play on god mode

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And die a lot

rustic vale
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So it should start at 20%

barren pilot
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Oh

barren pilot
rustic vale
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Yeah it’s ok to not play with godmode

barren pilot
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So with like the end to beat the 4 layers of hell

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And how the hell an i going to get 500 darkness for 2 relive

rustic vale
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Once you beat Meg for the first time with each weapon, you’re rewarded with a Titans blood, but on subsequent attempts with the same weapon you’ll get 50 darkness each time after that

barren pilot
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6

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I have 5

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What the golden lock at lock stacks

mint coral
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Related to gifting nectar

barren pilot
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But bottom of the screen

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Keepsake

rustic vale
barren pilot
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Thanks

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Would you give me any tips

rustic vale
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I know it’s kinda early if you haven’t beat meg thou

barren pilot
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I have few

rustic vale
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In general, the +% goddesses work really well on slower strikes and specials like bow strike or sword special etc

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and flat damage like lightning and hangover and doom work better on faster weapons like fist strike and spear strike

rustic vale
# barren pilot Which one

It really depends on the weapon (and once you have all the weapons, the aspect of the weapon you’re using)

barren pilot
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I play with shield

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There would be a keepsake best for every weapon

rustic vale
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Shield usually wants +% like aphrodite strike, athena/artemis strike works too.

rustic vale
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so like after meg but before the next area

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so you can use the god keepsakes to put a build together and then take defensive keepsakes later on in the same escape

tepid plover
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even per weapon, you can go for different builds, and thats the keepsakes you wanna be using, there isnt really THE keepsake

barren pilot
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So there are no bad options

rustic vale
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eh

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Distant Memory exists

tepid plover
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some you can make work, but for the most part then to be crappy

barren pilot
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I play with Skelly keepsake

tepid plover
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obvs some shine more than others

rustic vale
tepid plover
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you shouldnt be using skelly keepsake the entire run, unless youre dying in tartarus

barren pilot
rustic vale
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Carrot

tepid plover
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i assume you havent unlocked the closet to change

rustic vale
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They haven’t beaten Meg afaik

tepid plover
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oh

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didnt read the entire thing

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yeah skelly is goated then

rustic vale
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It was a handful of messages ago tbf

barren pilot
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I have started today tho

tepid plover
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yeah my bad, keep rocking skelly

barren pilot
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Thanks

tepid plover
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its def very good early on

barren pilot
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So what the titan blood you mention early

tepid plover
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go beat the meg and beat some runs, youll find out

rustic vale
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You’ll need all the weapons before you can use it anyhow

barren pilot
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For. All weapons

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The fist is the second last right

rustic vale
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yep

barren pilot
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So which is easy to use

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Use sheild to block damage

rustic vale
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A lot of people learn how to use fists really quick

barren pilot
rustic vale
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for the most part

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You should be fine with whatever you like using but it never hurts to experiment

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Play around with new weapons and trying to figure out what boons/hammers works well on what is a good experience to start off with I think

tepid plover
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theres no bad weapons

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try them all, whatever clicks thats the one

barren pilot
rustic vale
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are you on pc or controller

barren pilot
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Pc

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But laptop

tepid plover
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use fists, or sword

rustic vale
barren pilot
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Mouse i have a bluetooth mouse

rustic vale
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mhm

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I honestly don’t know how to weapons feel on mouse tbh

tepid plover
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feel great to me

rustic vale
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I can’t remember if the game automatically has aim assist on for mouse or if you have to toggle it on in the settings

tepid plover
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you can enable/disable it, i dont like it myself

rustic vale
tepid plover
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i think is enabled

rustic vale
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Ik it’s default on on controller

barren pilot
rustic vale
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Personally I’d probably play around with each weapon with aim assist on and off to figure out which ones you enjoy and with what settings

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because I have no clue what they feel like on pc

barren pilot
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Ok thanks

rustic vale
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On controller I just have aim assist on because the precision isn’t really there, but I know mouse players have mixed reviews for aim assist

silk marsh
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I'm green now

barren pilot
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Also my question is hades on mobile

silk marsh
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Hades is on mobile??? Wtf

lavish sorrel
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it was at one point available on the netflix app for IOS

rustic vale
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at least

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imo

silk marsh
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That's not the only thing that's harder

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Yeah

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Got you there

barren pilot
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It hard on pc

silver wren
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So I got to phase 3 of Hades thx to the pact of punishment

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And holy crap

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That was fun

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I didn't beat him

remote wren
misty matrix
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guys i have a problem, i cant unlock the secret aspect of the bow, i already unlocked the Guan Yu and maxed out all the other bow aspects, and talked to artemis and she doesnt tell me the phrase, must i dont be with the bow in that moment or what?

silk marsh
silk marsh
remote wren
silk marsh
misty matrix
silk marsh
misty matrix
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rhx

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thx*

rustic vale
rustic vale
fluid idol
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Are there any content mods for Hades 1? I've 100%ed the game multiple times but can't pick up 2 any time soon, and there's seemingly no plans for a demo

rustic vale
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I’m trying to remember the names of the big ones because I’m not too into it

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Olympus Extra is definitely one

silk marsh
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im gonna get all the gooner mods

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just see what the game has to offer yknow

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not long term. just see

rustic vale
silk marsh
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sure

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i just wanna see like the top 20 gooner m,ods and judge quality

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for science

rustic vale
silk marsh
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thats not a gooner mod

rustic vale
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I know

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I just take any chance I can

silk marsh
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did you make it?

rustic vale
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Nope

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I just find it funny that it exists

silk marsh
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i dont think hades is gonna have alot to offer but i have been impressed before

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welp

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based on the "art" ive seen of this game. yall some crazy mfers

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im worried about the mods a bit more than i should be

rustic vale
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Ik it’s a big thing for Skyrim but

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Didn’t know it was really a thing outside of that

silk marsh
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there always is

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silk marsh
silk marsh
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im just checking things out

tepid plover
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From what I've seen, more are more about gameplay

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Can't remember a single gooning one

forest scarab
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Question: Is Approval Process pure random, weighted random, or does it have a priority system of some for which boons it blocks?

silk marsh
indigo badge
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doesn't stop it from hitting static discharge every goddamn time

forest scarab
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It just seems to always hit my duo boons and fated items and I’m trying to actively complete my dang Fated list items ‘cause I’m in an Archipelago multiworld rando and it’s driving me insane

tepid plover
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And I've used it, A LOT

forest scarab
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Okay. Another billion runs, here I come. 😄

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Thanks yall.

latent moon
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why are you using approval process

tepid plover
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Fun

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Superior skill showcase

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Fates said I'm better

indigo badge
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i just kidnapped the fates huh how about that

tepid plover
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I uhh, erm, guess I have free will, god this is horrible

lavish sorrel
royal schooner
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😞

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Was available on iOS only

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....I DMed even the Instagram of the creators to know if there's gonna be any returning to the same place where it was

barren pilot
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So what is the use of titan Blood

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Need like 1 more keys to unlock all the weapons

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Beat mag with a sword and a bow

harsh scroll
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Which become available exactly after you get the rail

barren pilot
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I get crit special

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And also why is an aspect locked

rustic vale
barren pilot
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I know about the shield of Zeus

rustic vale
barren pilot
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Good for each one

rustic vale
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Yeah

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We usually split it up between

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How well the perform for speedrunning versus how well the perform for high-difficulty content

barren pilot
rustic vale
barren pilot
rustic vale
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like enemies deal more damage or you heal less or boss fights get new moves

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or enemies move faster

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or there’s a time limit on each biome

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Speed:
Sword - Nemesis
Spear - Achilles
Shield - Beowulf
Bow - Hera
Fist - Demeter
Rail - Eris

Heat (40-50+ is where they really outshine other aspects, but they are excellent before that)
Sword - Nemesis
Spear - Guan-Yu
Shield - Zeus
Bow - Rama
Fists - Demeter
Rail - Hestia (& Eris)

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If you see names you don’t recognise it’s probably that weapons hidden aspect

barren pilot
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How does Achilles is the beast spear

rustic vale
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Achilles can also get flurry jab and the buff does buff the spin when you don’t have flurry jab

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But most importantly, buffing casts with +150% additive is crazy

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achilles does +150% to your next 4 strikes and casts at max level

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and you can make some crazy cast builds with that level of additive damage

barren pilot
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So for you what is the most fun

rustic vale
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I don’t really use sword, spear or shield nearly as much but I’m partial to Nemesis for sword, Guan-Yu (spear) and Zeus shield

barren pilot
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Is Zeus shield op

rustic vale
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It’s nice because it has a really low skill floor (ie you can just use it like regular shield and throw your special out at the same time for easy free damage) but you can also get really really skilled with it and get rewarded for that skill

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It’s pretty solid at just level 1 too for early players without much blood

barren pilot
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Ok

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And is the hydra the last boss of 2 layer or he is an mini boss

indigo badge
rustic vale
barren pilot
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Ok

barren pilot
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Use how many of his head

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Like spawn

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He is getting an immune

stiff obsidian
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At 40 eris better I think and around 50 hestia again and then 57+ back to eris

amber crest
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@clear rivet also sorry can’t help much, cuz I don’t do Extreme Measures 4. My best advice might actually be just don’t do it

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It’s an endgame heat option

clear rivet
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fair enough tbh

amber crest
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Like I’ve only bested 32 heat

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And I wouldn’t even consider EM4 till late 40s or 50s

clear rivet
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oh okay

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whys that?

amber crest
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It’s quite hard?

clear rivet
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harder than 32 heat, idk ive never tried it so i cant really talk tbh\

amber crest
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EM4 while not having any other heat options is fine

amber crest
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But with forced overtime, hard labour, etc… it gets quite difficult

clear rivet
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yeah, fair enough

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im just doing extreme measures 4

amber crest
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I wouldn’t even consider EM4 under 32 heat lol

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But up to you

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But I can’t help you much

clear rivet
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fair enough, thanks anyway

amber crest
clear rivet
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aight'

rustic vale
# clear rivet whys that?

There are easier options for those heat levels than running em4, so I think 90% of people ik run em4 about once for the experience, and then only come back to it once the remaining options are all worse

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The other 10% prefer their boss fights ‘more epic’ and keep it on for like all of their pacts

clear rivet
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fair enough

rustic vale
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I wouldn’t turn it on for anything 40 and below

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I don’t really like playing higher than that because I feel like all the remaining options make the game more challenging in more agrivating ways

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Mmm but I think there’s a written guide somewhere

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Or I might just be misremembering because of how many other written guides exist

amber crest
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They wants tips on beating the boss I think

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EM4 third phase Hades

rustic vale
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Yeah

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I had it in my head that there was a written guide for handling EM4 specifically

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but I seem to have just imagined it

mint coral
rustic vale
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K I’m not crazy

rustic vale
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Just want to avoid the guide getting buried

clear rivet
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thanks alot for the help : )

crisp ember
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I thought I beat ||Hades BUT HE HAS PHASE 2 WTF||

mint coral
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classic

amber crest
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Classic

eager copper
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i got way too careless my first time getting there lol

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i was playing around in phase 1 because my build was so good and lost a death defiance

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then phase 2 caught me so offguard i just died

remote wren
amber crest
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I just beat my spear heat record!

While using meme beam!

While not trying to speed run!

(I’m not good with spear speed running so it’s only 10:53 but still)

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Previous record was two seconds slower

rustic vale
tepid plover
stiff obsidian
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Not hwta

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Heat

amber crest
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Yup

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Mb

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Oops

crisp ember
lavish sorrel
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nobody expects the spa-, uh, secret phase 2

tepid plover
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Supergiant is good at making bosses do unexpected things

harsh scroll
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What if everytime you beat dad at heat 10-30 (no EM4) he had a small chance to do surprise phase 3

indigo badge
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<@&456908176877551658>

void vigil
indigo badge
#

fastest hammer in the west 🔥

silk marsh
stiff obsidian
silk marsh
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what?

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im green now

rustic vale
silk marsh
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haha

rustic vale
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so the messages were deleted

stiff obsidian
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Hi green now

rustic vale
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and the account was banned

silk marsh
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:dab:

stiff obsidian
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That made me physically cringe ngl

obsidian laurel
#

Hey, I beat the game but I still cant upgrade my weapons?

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how do you do that

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🥀

mint coral
obsidian laurel
#

oh

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now I gotta find keyss 😭

fluid idol
#

Are there any content mods for Hades 1? I've 100%ed the game multiple times but can't pick up 2 any time soon, and there's seemingly no plans for a demo

latent moon
#

When you asked earlier, someone said OlympusExtra

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That's the only content mod afaik

fluid idol
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Oh oops, I didn't see that somehow - I've actually had that installed since I started playing and somehow forgot it wasn't vanilla

lavish sorrel
#

there's an incremental mod too for those interested in incremental games. it doesn't add that much per se, but it changes up the gameplay a little.

stiff obsidian
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i think i should beat my unmodded pb

autumn hull
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aint no way i first tired the boss for both Asphodel and Elysian and still die to Meg 😭 😭

oblique violet
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I've got the game last week and I already beat the boss 4 times... Is... Is that how getting better at videogames feels like?

obsidian laurel
#

I mean hades isn't really difficult, he just deals a lot

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but to dodge the heroes are worse imo

vast raven
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For non em I’m somewhat inclined to agree, not at all for the em version tbh

broken slate
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I want to meet with Euridyce again but the game won't allow it, like I met her on my 3rd run iirc but then after about 9 more runs I couldn't meet her at all teh game just won't let me, is there something wrong?

mint coral
broken slate
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I encouter sysiphus all the time so that's annoying

broken slate
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If this really is bad rng this is ridiculous

amber crest
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HEH

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YOU ALWAYS WANT TO SEE SISYPHUS

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THATS GOOD LUCK

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HE LITERALLY GIVES YOU FREE STUFF

rustic vale
#

well

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Getting better at Hades feels anyhow

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You learn the fights and you get more and more consistent

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Heat lets you keep it tough

silk marsh
#

WHO THE HELL TOLD ME I COULD TALK YO THE DAMN ROCK

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Y'all some lying mferd

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Y'all make me ANGRY 🤬

rustic vale
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I mean

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I can

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But your relationship with Sisyphus

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might not be good enough

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for him to have introduced him

silk marsh
#

WELL WHEN YOU TELL PEOPLE "HEY TALK ROCK AND GET BOULDY BOONS"

rustic vale
#

I believe it’s actual just straight dialogue from him no need to gift him but I can’t remsmber

silk marsh
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YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT

rustic vale
silk marsh
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Don't play me for a fool

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I'll crush your skull bone so you can't ever thinker again

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Just unlocked em4

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About to hit the griddy on dad

rustic vale
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Boom

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Bouldy boon

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it exists

silk marsh
#

Ur mom exists

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Only nine heat

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Smh

rustic vale
silk marsh
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Whatever that means

rustic vale
#

As opposed to the real-time one which is 10

silk marsh
#

You're still on 9 heat

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I don't get it

rustic vale
#

💔

silk marsh
#

I get told I'm alright if I can do 36 and peeps here only doing like 4 more

rustic vale
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I got my 40 and then went over to speed because I genuinely think that the rest of the modifiers after that just make the game more challenging in an aggrivating way tbh

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rather than a fun challenge way

silk marsh
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That's what I said cause it's all rng based

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Then your racing a clock and you get poo poo boons

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And less options

rustic vale
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nah

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not all the ones left were just rng

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All the enemy survivability ones

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just make the game grating

silk marsh
#

I'd say just hit them more but I did notice you're a bow user so

amber crest
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So?

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Bows can bonk more

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

Hey you're the one that doesn't like the modifier

amber crest
#

But yeah

rustic vale
#

you’re acting like DC is the only one that exists

amber crest
#

Hit more=more damage

rustic vale
#

CP and JS are also there

amber crest
#

acronymsssss

silk marsh
#

Ur mom is an acronym

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Gottem

amber crest
rustic vale
#

60% more enemies and longer waves and potentially increasing the overall number of waves per room when all those 160% of enemies have 30% more max hp and 2 free acorn hits

silk marsh
silk marsh
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Destroy your enemies and make them beg for mercy

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It's easy

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Fortnite emote on their dead body. Send a message

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

Works for me

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Max benefits package is gonna be the real test

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If I can beat em4 and benefits pack maxed then I got everything else

rustic vale
#

BP2 isn’t that bad

silk marsh
#

It's only 2?

amber crest
silk marsh
#

I thought it was 3

silk marsh
amber crest
#

Meanwhile a timer in the top right is counting down towards your doom

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But I digress

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I just don’t enjoy heat

silk marsh
#

That's why I don't use that dumb modifier

amber crest
#

It’s nigh needed for higher heats

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Else you have to use…
Other modifiers

silk marsh
#

FUUUU

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I fkin hate that bot

silk marsh
amber crest
#

It’s a LOT easier with it

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Like having it once is a free heat

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

Ur mom is free heat

silk marsh
#

Train mote

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More

amber crest
#

You get better at going faster than school wifi

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Get faster that 1kmph

silk marsh
#

IM GONNA RIP YOUR

amber crest
#

My what?

silk marsh
#

The bot

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The bot not you

amber crest
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You’re so slow I’m gonna die of old age before you reach it anyway

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Tell me grave how it goes

silk marsh
#

But you will be dead and I will not

silver wren
#

Guys should I let Dusa keep the ambrosia or should I take it all back?

rustic vale
#

She’ll be fine with it either way

silver wren
#

I have spent all night play Hades and for the past few days I have only been playing Hades

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Let me tell you guys what I have done
Unlocked Mort
Fully upgraded Shady
Beat Charon
Had Dusa rehired
Became besties with Hypnos
Deepened my bond with Zuez, Athena, Dionysus, and Hades
Helped Nyx reconnect with Chaos
Did all of the weapon fates

broken slate
#

is there a way to beat the whole story as fast as possible?

like having all dialogues completed, all max affinity, without spoilers if possible please

amber crest
#

Woah

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ALL dialogue options?

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There’s over 20,000 of that, if I remember right

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Best I can tell you is just keep up the grind, don’t forget to spam nectar and ambrosia, etc…

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But 100%-ing the game is VERY (and I mean at least 700 hours in the game) time consuming if you go by those standards

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You need to beat the game, reach the epilogue, follow all character storyline’s….

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Idk bud, good luck

rustic vale
amber crest
#

Tf

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Even more than I thought

rustic vale
#

I mean I just got the Ares+Pos duo dialogue one for the first time and I’m what like

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500 hours in

amber crest
#

Like, if yall wanna sell your soul to this game go ahead but I think it’d stop being fun fast.

rustic vale
#

I think if you took out the “all dialogues” clause you immediately cut yourself back atleast 600 hours due to just the rng nature of some of them

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Oh and you wouldn’t have to get good enough to do fresh file

amber crest
#

Yeah “All dialogue” is a bit (ok a lot) much

broken slate
#

well how about just getting to the end and unlocking everything that can be unlocked? besides dialogue

#

now I understand why this game is 10gigs

gray apex
broken slate
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righto

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hmm

broken slate
gray apex
#

Probably about 70-100, it can vary

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maybe a bit less

rustic vale
#

Yeah I’d err on the side of less

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but that sounds about right

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and then you get hooked by gameplay shadesmile

broken slate
#

damn it

broken slate
#

how do you deepen relationship with Nyx and others?

stiff obsidian
#

This game is too good

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I can't not keep reinstalling it

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partially cuz alex came dangerously close to overtaking my unmodded pb

lavish sorrel
#

glad to motivate croven

stiff obsidian
broken slate
#

do I just need to keep playing until one day I get a dialogue that "deepens my relationship" with characters?

mint coral
#

Depends~

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Characters like nyx/arty pretty much

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You just have to hit certain dialogues

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Characters like poseidon/hermes are a bit more specific

mint coral
#

Just bring your usual ad blocker

broken slate
#

the wikifandom page?

mint coral
#

Yeah

broken slate
mint coral
#

Are you on nyx's page

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Wait why the hell doesn't she get that

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Uhhh well tl;dr talk to her and chaos until they mention they want to reunite

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Eventually nyx will give you a work order

broken slate
#

oh alright

tepid plover
#

is that even grammatically correct, brb googling

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i suppose is not wrong, nvm yall im an idiot

stiff obsidian
#

o

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i never intended to be grammatically correct anyway

barren pilot
#

Tips for the hero's

rustic vale
#

That way you can make it 2 one on one fights

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rather than a 2vs1

barren pilot
#

Ok

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Also is there any to get the hammer that could be guaranty or high chance

tepid plover
rustic vale
tepid plover
#

whatd they mean?

rustic vale
#

The only real way to consistently get hammers is by save scumming the anvil in styx

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Which is tedious and it’s a 50% chance you’ll even see it

rustic vale
#

Since you’re practically guaranteed to find your hammers w/ default odds

tepid plover
#

oh, yeah no

barren pilot
#

Ok

fervent radish
silk marsh
silk marsh
fervent radish
amber crest
silk marsh
#

im as fast as the game lets me go

amber crest
#

Doubt that but ok

silk marsh
#

well i have my own doubts but i keep them in my head

silk marsh
stiff obsidian
#

what are you talking about

silk marsh
#

He will never recover from that

green dune
#

How much heat equivalent is a Costco run on Saturday?

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

im running 12 plus heat on sub 50 runs for the save file on my first time ever playing the game

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if you wanna insist im just not good

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thats on you

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i do not mind

rustic vale
#

I’m not saying you aren’t good I’m just doubting the “as fast as the game lets you go” when you’ve been very adamant about stressing how you’d have perfect gameplay where you just simply wouldn’t get hit and you can go faster by just facetanking at times and I definitely wasn’t implying more than that shadesmile

silk marsh
silver wren
#

curect me if im wrong but wasnt there a alternate version of Charon's outfit? i remember seeing a video and it was just like a grey robe

silk marsh
#

if i went as fast as i could taking al the dmg i could afford id have to change how i play and alterante what dmg im taking every playthrough almost

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just because i avoid dmg with dodging doesnt mean im not playing as fast as one realistically could

rustic vale
#

good question

silk marsh
#

i figured when i said as fast as the game owuld let me, that would imply im not going to eat all the dmg and dodge

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i figured that was a realistic give in

rustic vale
#

You may be thinking of

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the outfit he may or may not have for Hades 2?

silk marsh
#

pardon that as well

rustic vale
#

I’m not sure if he’s in that game

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but if he is he’s got a different design like everyone else who returns

rustic vale
#

I was just irritated before I ended up joining discord and let it out a bit

silk marsh
#

thats okay

rustic vale
#

Apologies

silk marsh
#

because you told me

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now i know where the anger comes from

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thats okay

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youre allowed to be angry

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i personally believe you should properly feel all your emotions

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and act on them within reason

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dont hold onto them

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feel them and then let them go

rustic vale
#

I’ve been doing a bunch of runs with spear today

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to try to sub10 because it’s the last weapon I have that isn’t sub10

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and the difference between some weapons is crazy

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Like Eris and Shield I immediately dropped my times down to sub9 first try

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and then sword and spear take me like

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hours and hours to get a sub10 each

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💔

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Like on a functional level charged flight beo shouldn’t be that different from charged skewer guan-yu

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both have the same base damage it’s just the nature of the special’s flight

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and I used guan-yu for quite a few runs to try to avoid achilles because I like not getting carpal tunnel

cold isle
#

Will hades 1 get a switch 2 version?

barren granite
#

I LOVE HERA BOW

rustic vale
#

<@&456908176877551658>

#

Fastest ban hammer in the west

fervent radish
silk marsh
#

just me though

fervent radish
#

Yeah of course because you can’t die and win

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But you can still go very fast and not die

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And you’re in no way approaching the limits of the game

silk marsh
#

limits of the game feels incredibly vague

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and not completely subjective

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but enough to debate

fervent radish
#

In terms of speed, 4 minutes is a barrier that will probably never be broken by an unseeded run

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Current world record is 4:30

silk marsh
#

so beating the game as realistically fast as i can means i need to surpass the ceiling of the game?

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it seems like it would be a hair more contextual than the best run in the world

fervent radish
#

No because that would be unrealistic

silk marsh
#

as fast as you can when you get terrible boons

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is still going to be quite slower than the fastest run in the world

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idk i am incredibly aggressive and very very infrequently feel the need to run away form anything

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i just dodge

fervent radish
silk marsh
#

well its hard to tell until you see what oyu get

fervent radish
#

And terrible boons aren’t that much of an issue when you get better at controlling your build

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The game gives you a lot of tools to do that

silk marsh
#

controlling my build isnt related to how you play the fights

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killing things as fast as you can with what you have is more what im refering too

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sorry if that wasnt entirely clear

fervent radish
#

Better build means you can kill faster though

rustic vale
#

Getting better at building and getting better at fighting are skills you can build in tandem tizomg

silk marsh
#

yeah but when i say winning as fast as i can

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i dont mean min maxing every aspect keepsake companion door selection boon choice

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i just mean winning with whatever you happen to get

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because i already know with how much defence i grab im limiting my dmg

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dodge aspect dodge keepsake deflect dash

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i do alot to sheild up so i can just stand in front of them and beat the hell out of them asap

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i guess what im saying is im trying to stick to a fairly vanilla experience

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min maxing and influencing rng doesnt feel very at its core to what the game intended and wants

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i think trying different things and going with the flow is much more in line with a rogue likes intention

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im rambling again

rustic vale
#

The mirror, keepsakes, the way that the god pool is designed so that you have a good building experience

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sure you don’t have to take every shop or every chaos or etc and etc

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but getting a handle on what works really well on your aspects is skill development on its own no?

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That’s not like abusing rng or anything it’s just learning that Jolted contributes like 30-50% of zeus damage if you take it on a build that has zeus on anything it uses consistently (higher if your only source is less consistently used like thunder dash)

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etc etc

rustic vale
#

I don’t really see anything wrong with rambling about your own point of view

silk marsh
silk marsh
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I'd agree that knowing what's good is a skill but with the limited choices from boon choices being removed it feels like it takes away from the skills that are initially the exclusive skills you need to learn at the start of the game.

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Knowing what's good is a skill but when you only have one choice at high heat it's really more like "knowing if what you got is good or bad for your weapon/aspect" it becomes less of a boon and more of a curse ironically

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And that's why personally I specifically avoid considering things like RI and the one that removes boon choices because they feel contradictory to what the games progress/skills reward you for having when I talk about harder runs.

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I hate that I can't post pictures here

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Oh cool I figured it out

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It has no relevance. Just needed something to try it with.

rustic vale
#

are you currently using ri4 for all your runs

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or just completely not using your mirror regardless

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since you’ll eventually not be using it way down the line?

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Heck, even with ri4 you can still get rerolls from key rooms so your mirror choice does matter

silk marsh
silk marsh
rustic vale
#

but you say that your mirror is irrelevant for building because your pact can remove it

silk marsh
#

several damage bonuses, sustain and build support

silk marsh
rustic vale
#

despite the modifier

silk marsh
#

look im saying that i dont like the idea of giving people the mirror and then adding a modifier to remove its effects. just feels kind of backwards so thats why i will never use it

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it sounds like you think i might mean something else so i wanted to clarify

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to me the mirror is comparible to something like the renovations that give the currency rooms in run value as well

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like something you should just always have all the time

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

using your mirror for your build is intended by the devs

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The pact removing your mirror is there as a challenge

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Rather than a “you should have this pact on” it’s optional

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the entire pact of punishment is optional

silk marsh
#

and its not one i care for but everytime i like something it feels like people are like "well its not that easy when you add more heat" so i just assume im expected to eventually play on 64 heat all the time which to me is rediculous

rustic vale
#

The devs only put content in for completing 32 heat afaik they never even thought people would take it higher

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90% of Hades gamers don’t play past 32 because there isn’t more content after that it’s just added challenge for oneself

rustic vale
#

but it’s very telling that there are steam achievements for 16 heat and not 32

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because the devs didn’t want to make players do that

silk marsh
#

well like i said i think that im pretty good at the game but everyone always tells me its because i havent added enough heat

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and so usually im jsut trying to justify my beliefs, like right now im talking aobut how there are some small number of modifiers feel unfair or straight up counter intuitive

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because apparently im just "not on a high enough heat"

rustic vale
#

“Pretty good” is relative and a lot of the people in here (myself included) have either played at or watched others go for very high heat or speed and so their views of “good” are hyper elevated

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past what most players even ever play

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I like to think I’m decent but I know I’m such a far way from everyone I talk to regularly in speed and heat

silk marsh
#

im just saying

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i think people need to watch someone actually bad

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because theres alot of people who have played and not been good

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is it because im like confident or insistant on my abilities?

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like it just feels like im always at words with someone because i am not dumping my diaper cause i have to play with benefits package on. like im not afraid of challenging myself because i know i can win even if it isnt the first try.

rustic vale
#

mmm

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I think I’m a bit at fault

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Cuz I think I went to high heat too early a few days ago when you were first around

silk marsh
#

i dont really remember which one of you said what

rustic vale
#

I think it was me?

silk marsh
#

cause i dont take it personally but it feels like alot of people dislike that im new and capable and confident

rustic vale
#

mmm

#

Confidence is good

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it just seems presumptious at times

fervent radish
#

Dunning Kruger idk

rustic vale
#

Yeah

#

That sums up what I was trying to express

fervent radish
#

I don’t mean this in a mean way but you’re not as capable as you think you are

rustic vale
#

Heat gets worse at an exponential rate

fervent radish
#

You’re not expected to get to 64, but 32-50+ heat are where the game starts to become more challenging and less “free”

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Same with sub 8 and sub 7

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Your stats are fairly typical for newer players

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Again none of this should discourage you. If you enjoy the game, push heat and speed as much as you like.

silk marsh
# fervent radish Dunning Kruger idk

this would imply that i have unwarrented confidence. me having confidence because i started winning almost every run after i first beat the game is a pretty solid reason.

youre point is also part of what im trying to convey to people like shackle, people feel differently about what ive said but the reason its confusing is because i havent made any illogical or unrealistic assumptions about my progress. people insist if i think the game is winnable, im not playing on a high enough heat but apparently its because at that heat the game becomes RNG because so many modifiers constrict your run. And when i push back saying that unfair modifiers doesnt really "humble" me because it feels like its not the challenging difficult. just unlucky and tedious. losing to something unfair doesnt allow me to get better. its just a punch in the face for the sake of wanting to be hit.

So either high heat is rewarding and skillful and possible if youre good enough. or its unfair and rng reliant. it cant be both and people flip flop these arguements to fit the counter point to what im saying/based on whos talking.

fervent radish
#

you're making a few points and i understand where you're coming from, so i'll try to address each one

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winning almost every run after the first win is an incredibly common experience for players, so that by itself isn't enough to warrant any more confidence than others have

silk marsh
fervent radish
#

As with most challenges, once you do it once, you've probably figured something out about how the system works, so it's easier to do it again with more consistency

fervent radish
silk marsh
#

im new

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i havent interacted with the community

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i dont know that winning alot after the first run is common

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all i know is IM WINNING alot of after my success

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you have seen a million new players

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and know its common. i dont

fervent radish
#

Understandable, I'm not faulting you for not knowing that

silk marsh
#

yeah thats fair i didnt think you were

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also i think if instead people (not you, ive heard alot of diff people and opinions on this server) just said that whats happening and is common it would be more humbling that insisting they try harder heat if they are succeeding

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maybe thats just me

fervent radish
#

No you definitely bring up a good point

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I think you have some misconceptions about the heat system for similar reasons

fervent radish
rustic vale