h1-discussion

[silk marsh]

It's about it being a valid strategy

[amber crest]

If it’s “Having fun”, you do you

[latent moon]

I mean with about 550 hours myself, Edward from before I'm sure you've seen is a top player and prob has more hours than me agree lmao
I think false side also weighed in at one point, thousand hours and a really good heat runner

[silk marsh]

Well I hope the next person coming in here with a weird way to play isn't told "it's not as good as DMG"

[latent moon]

I'd say we're fairly confident, especially taking in other top player opinions

That aren't in this server lmao

[latent moon]

I never said it wasn't valid

Just said it wasn't as good

[silk marsh]

There's no way

Okay

[amber crest]

But if it’s:
speedrunning
heat
clearing the game with every weapon
Completing a challenge
Offensive is generally considered better

BUT
“Having fun”
“Learning the mechanics”
“Play comfortably”
Then yeah go slow

[silk marsh]

"I never said it's not valid"
"Just that it's not good"

That's insane

[latent moon]

Not AS good

[silk marsh]

Back to back

[amber crest]

Something not good can be valid

It’s a matter of opinion no?

[latent moon]

Exactly

They're not mutually exclusive

[amber crest]

Like I think the shield sucks but it’s top 2 the best weapon in the game

Hate the thing

[silk marsh]

I didn't think we'd need specific categories of power when you're comparing two different mentalities

Like either one is better than the other or their even

[latent moon]

People can enjoy playing Chiron bow, doesn't make it a good aspect lmao

[amber crest]

Wow shade

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[amber crest]

No? They can be better for each person.

They’re both viable

[silk marsh]

Good or bad. There isn't like a bad, kinda bad, viable, better, best for "defensive vs offensive builds"

Like it's two catagories

[amber crest]

BUT the majority of players who’s played a lot prefer offense

[latent moon]

Just because one is good doesn't make the other automatically bad

It's just less good

In some situations anyways

Such as this one

[silk marsh]

But when you say it's not good but it's valid? Well does it work or is it hard to make work

[amber crest]

Like chocolate milk and 1 million dollars

[latent moon]

Defensive play is fine if you want to play it that way

[silk marsh]

What is it

[latent moon]

It still works

[silk marsh]

Then it's good

Not better

[latent moon]

It just works less as well comparably

[silk marsh]

It's good it just works

[amber crest]

“It’s not good for me”
“It can work for others”

[lavish sorrel]

(top 1 tbh, it's got representation in first place for pretty much everything)

[latent moon]

Like you're trying to paint it as black and white but it isn't

[amber crest]

Shush I’m coping

[silk marsh]

This is way to much mental gymnastics to just not say "the potential is there but most people don't like that"

[amber crest]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYIBG

[silk marsh]

The objective comparison of a subjective thing is weird

I just can't do it

[amber crest]

It is subjective tho

Most players like offense

[silk marsh]

If you say it's bettwr

It's objective

[amber crest]

If I say Chocolate milk is better than Diet Coke, that’s an opinion, not objective at all

[lavish sorrel]

there's an objective truth out there somewhere. not knowing the truth doesn't make the thing subjective.

[silk marsh]

This is what I'm saying. Now it's semantics of what it subjective means. Im just gonna take a break

[silk marsh]

Well when I'm talking about being playing a certain way and you say "this is better" it is objective

Like even if it is subjective why would I take it that way

[amber crest]

Saying I like running around and shooting things fast is better than not dying is subjective

[silk marsh]

Especially when people are flexing opinions using their hours of playtime as an ethos argument.

Why is there even an argument if it's subjective

[amber crest]

That’s what persuasion means

[silk marsh]

Oh so you were just trying to get me to try something else

[amber crest]

Ye

[silk marsh]

Oh you jokesters okay I'm done

[latent moon]

You did ask how I could say things confidently lmao

[lavish sorrel]

having more playtime in something generally means they're more knowledgeable at that thing, and are hence more likely to be objectively right than someone with far less playtime.

[amber crest]

Try attacking stronk you might enjoy it

Not always

But generally

[silk marsh]

WHY ARE WE ARGUING IF ITS SUBJECTIVE THOUGH

[amber crest]

THATS WHAT PERSUASION IS

[silk marsh]

I think the problem is people are interpreting what I'm saying differently

[latent moon]

To be completely honest I don't think it's subjective lol

[silk marsh]

And you all have different opinions of what I'm saying

And see that

[latent moon]

If you like it better then it's fine go ahead

[amber crest]

I do. The point of the game is to have fun. If you have fun going slower, woohoo.

[silk marsh]

See one person was comparing objectively and others werent

Yeah

[latent moon]

Well yeah that's fine

[silk marsh]

That's annoying

[lavish sorrel]

yeah play however you like, but if you want advice as to play better then that's what we're here for.

[latent moon]

If you enjoy using it then it's better for you
But it's not better overall

[silk marsh]

When I'm new and learning the game and I got half the people telling me I actually shouldn't. And others are trying to tell me what they think is fun and I don't understand how anything works

It gets confusing

So I'm gonna just end myself on that

[amber crest]

Well “objectively” an offensive playstyle fits more of the games view

[amber crest]

I say you f around and find out what you like

[latent moon]

I don't think I ever said you shouldn't play defensively, I just said it's not as good

[amber crest]

It’s called off meta

[silk marsh]

And I've stated why I disagree

BUT

I never said mine was better

Just equally as viable provided you get good boons, as with offence

[amber crest]

Umm

[latent moon]

You said it was equal, which isn't true

[lavish sorrel]

(and you're wrong, and that's fine. we've all had bad takes.)

[latent moon]

Yeah lol

[amber crest]

You literal said damage isn’t good

[silk marsh]

Well that just feels like a difference of opinion

[amber crest]

You said damage was bad no?

[latent moon]

No not really

[silk marsh]

Well I've stated valid reasons and I have too

So it's fine

[amber crest]

I’m with Mik here, the point of a game is to have fun, not to do well in it. So different play styles having varying levels of fun works

[silk marsh]

You have too

[latent moon]

You just like playing defensive more and have more fun with that so go ahead

[amber crest]

Ye

OH WAIT

I REALISED

[latent moon]

It's better for you, but it's not better overall

[amber crest]

Bananas is discussing “competitively viable”
Mik is discussing
“Casually viable”
Just for the record ones not better than the other

[silk marsh]

I don't have a reason to think either is better than the other

[latent moon]

Like cherry loves using Gilgamesh (bc it's easier on his hands but he also just likes it overall) but it's still objectively a bad aspect lmao

[silk marsh]

DMG brings a risk that can be compensated for by skill.

Defensive just removed a lot of risks but you can't kill as fast

[amber crest]

No, defence compensates a risk that can be supplemented with skill.

[silk marsh]

However you need to say it

That's what I meant

[amber crest]

Let’s put it down to agree to disagree

[silk marsh]

Well I knew where everyone stood for a few mins now

[amber crest]

Competitively banana is right

[silk marsh]

I just like sharing ideas

And hearing them

[amber crest]

But Mik isn’t wrong

[silk marsh]

I like that someone said things are better for different people

That's something I failed to recognize

Things just feel more right and naturally for others

[amber crest]

Well this is the discussion channel so you came to the right place

[silk marsh]

Damn I been in here for a minutes

I should go inside

[amber crest]

Aight. Nice chat!

[scarlet creek]

just finished the epilogue, bit anticlimactic lol

[amber crest]

lol

Seems like very little compared to the amount of work you have to put in it

[scarlet creek]

I didn't expect all that much in the first place but it was so little I chuckled for a while 😂

[amber crest]

Have a BOULDY for comfort

[glacial bolt]

Whats the use for Dash Nova ?

it makes specials less releiable

[amber crest]

It’s bad

Just bad

Pretty much never take it

It sucks

Actively detrimental

I hate it

There is no use for it

[amber crest]

Does that answer your question?

[glacial bolt]

perhaps, but its the less bad of my next hammer options this run so

idk

[amber crest]

How

What was it

Cursed slash
Dash nova
Flurry slash
?

[glacial bolt]

Greed, Flury and Dash

[amber crest]

Wow that sucks

I’d still take greed

Because at least it does nothing

[glacial bolt]

LOL naaaaaaaaaah

it'd be like, negative hammer

[amber crest]

These three are all detrimental

At least greed and thrust actively do nothing

[glacial bolt]

im thinking if Poseidon special maybe be interesting

[amber crest]

Noooo

[mint coral]

Sword moment

[amber crest]

I can already imagine all the missed dash attacks

[amber crest]

Yup

I swear it has so many detrimental hammers it’s crazy

[glacial bolt]

"You exist as a melee character in a range game"

[amber crest]

I play fists

Also little Mac in smash

I know exactly what that feels like

[glacial bolt]

GOD, i wish it was like shadow slash

[amber crest]

Well the shield is the best weapon in the game or at least top 2

Actually the best way to play it is to make it a ranged weapon

With either aspect of Zeus

Or like

Charged shot

So maybe that point doesn’t stand

[latent moon]

80 base damage kinda good

[amber crest]

Nah really

[latent moon]

It more than doubles your damage bc a full charged shield rush is 40, a min charge cshot does the same as max

It's a little stupid lmfao

[amber crest]

Yup

Broken as hell

[mint coral]

Funny hammer

[amber crest]

Beowulf being bugged doesn’t hurt either

Mirage shot go brrrrr

[naive flicker]

bro bro bro bro

holy sht once you get to high heat you need to get LUCKY

just did my firsts 46

i actually did it second try cuz its basically 40 but + js3 and cp2

and like ri1

actually tried going ap1 at first instead of ri

and holy fk you dont get anything

[amber crest]

Mhm

[naive flicker]

like i reached the heros no attack nor special boons

https://imgur.com/a/lqGDrHn

[amber crest]

Exactly why I hate heat

[naive flicker]

like you legit cant play ap sucks

also it takes a lot of time

idk how em4 is possible with this

[amber crest]

Bro has 46 heat on the rail and has 0 heat on the sword

[naive flicker]

you need to save a lot of time and get lucky chaos and mid shops

[naive flicker]

EY ill get to it i have finals i havent been playing i swear

[amber crest]

Sure sure sure

[naive flicker]

actually this was my 100th escape attempt

if only it was 50

[amber crest]

Sweat

[naive flicker]

i had an insane hades fight

hitless second phase

i got lucky with a 2 sack and barely made time

thoughts on AP1 RI2

or should i AP2 run shackle start till i get rng attack boon

i dont like running rng stuff

really should just learn the em4 fight very well

this run i also legit wasted my replenish cuz i thought it was the stubborn

idk how this made it

also question about eurydice if you have only 2 pom-able boons does she upgrade 1 two times or just each boon once

[rustic vale]

Dang clockets is massive

Nice run

[rustic vale]

Tbf this is pretty much just how it goes between heat and speedrunning, you take every free room (shop, chaos, story room) possible for time-save

[naive flicker]

you mean the temporary damage ups ?

sht was so clutch right at the end of second tunnel

[rustic vale]

I mean Cluster Bomb + Rocket Bomb

[naive flicker]

oh hell yea

yk i actually

omg

i just realised

i had 3 rockets

i had no boon on it till the end so i wasnt using it as much

lmao

nah im actually stupid

[rustic vale]

Oh that’s triple

I’m blind

[naive flicker]

i mean it wouldve helped with hades and styx a bit ngl

the jump between 46 to 50 is hell if you wanna do em4

[rustic vale]

uhhh

simply don’t 😁

[naive flicker]

dude you legit dont get any boons if you wanna pick shops instead of boons for time

its funny

[naive flicker]

ap1 ri2?

[rustic vale]

Mmm

See this is why I never ran 50

I looked at everything left and went “ok but would this really be a fun challenge or just grating”

If I did it in this day and age I’d probably run eris instead of zag bow or zeus shield

So I would use dc2 which would offset some of the ri or ap

[naive flicker]

its fun thoo kinda

50-54+ i think it just gets kinda annoying

id imagine

[naive flicker]

it can be fun i still dont have ap on 😭

[naive flicker]

my times with these weapons are so bad i tried eris 32 today and it was so close

i havent practiced that much with em tho

[naive flicker]

yea its the hestia dc diff

[lavish sorrel]

Hestia (not biased)

[rustic vale]

See 40 I’m ok with but as I get to 50 and higher it’s just like

the rest of my options

are making it more rng

[naive flicker]

hestia is very balanced and hard at high heat (correct opinion)

[rustic vale]

I can’t use shops as much anymore, ri1 means less boons, ap removes options

uc gets worse with ri and ap

[naive flicker]

i think 50 if you are doing em4 and no ap or ri its like maximum ability testing and not luck

ok im sorry hold on

[rustic vale]

eh

[naive flicker]

you need to get lucky with room layouts and enemies it can help insanely

you need to save 5 minutes for hades lmao

[rustic vale]

RI1 is my only problem with RI

[naive flicker]

so yea it becomes rng

[rustic vale]

The rest are like truly making it take more skill

but that first level of ri1 just removes all the build consistency upgrades

[naive flicker]

what was uc?

[naive flicker]

ri3 in question

[rustic vale]

underworld customs makes you sell off a boon at each mid-biome area

[naive flicker]

is 50 doable every run if playad were to do it for example?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[naive flicker]

it kills most weapons requiring a little bit of setup

[naive flicker]

oh yea

[naive flicker]

see thats what makes me think that it is rng but you can skill solution it

[rustic vale]

ri2-4 are all like “yeah just get gud” but ri1 is just “I heard you liked having a build, what if you didn’t”

[naive flicker]

but its just gonna take so much time to get to that point

[rustic vale]

See

It’s rng to a degree

but you can still put together solid builds for most weapons under those conditions

[naive flicker]

yk i never felt how great gods legacy was if it was called that and i never had like an insanely broken build so its fine if i never have that feeling

[rustic vale]

50 isn’t 64

Gods legacy wasn’t in my consideration

[naive flicker]

dude the jump is unreal here

i meant the one that gives you more boons what was it called

like not just boons

[rustic vale]

Dark Foresight

that gives you more gold laurels

[rustic vale]

It works out to roughly 7-8 more hearts/obols/boons/poms across a run

That is a massive amount

Everytime I start a new savefile I feel the difference immediately

[naive flicker]

damn

[rustic vale]

It’s pretty huge compared to like the other option of +40% rare chance

[naive flicker]

me when i get that +5 hp from picking up darkness wORTH

[rustic vale]

I could not tell you the last time I willingly took a darkness room

[naive flicker]

lmao

[rustic vale]

I usually go keys > gifts > gemstones > darkness

[naive flicker]

i feel like ive reached a wall rn

unless i wanna go the unfun path and turn on ap1

[rustic vale]

Tbf you have been blitzing up heat no?

Eventually it’s going to slow down as the later modifiers just combo worse and worse

[naive flicker]

gemstones over darkness?

[rustic vale]

with everything else

+20 obols over +5 max hp most days of the week

[naive flicker]

not really

but ive been only playing heat is the thing

[rustic vale]

Although tbf I’m never running CF

[rustic vale]

Right

You might wanna switch it up with some speed

or some other weapons heat

[naive flicker]

i most of the time have cf2 on and like stubborn defiance so i take all the hp i can get ngl

[naive flicker]

yea thats fair

[naive flicker]

ive been running some other weapon 32s its been kinda fun

im realising how bad i am actually at the game

[rustic vale]

I pretty much always have lc4 sd but I don’t run cf because I like the pacts that buff up everything else rather than nerf my build consistency

[naive flicker]

then i just ego another hestia run to feel better

[rustic vale]

You’re coming to the other side of the bell-curve 😁

[naive flicker]

damn even with em4?

i do understand no cf tho its really fun to just try to minmax a build

[rustic vale]

I haven’t run em4 in like 3 years

[naive flicker]

legit

[naive flicker]

honestly understandable

[rustic vale]

This is out of hatred for em3

I can’t even remember the em4 fight

[naive flicker]

its a little fun tho

its not like unfair

although i feel like it is sometimes but ik its not the case

[rustic vale]

em3, especially with the pacts I normally run, just feels like a “wow I just have to wait for Asterius to stop beyblading before I can do anything”

[naive flicker]

the only thing i hate about this fight is fo2 asterious em3 running at me at mock 15

[naive flicker]

oh yea the melee weapon diff

[rustic vale]

even like

bow I’m usually running twin shot

because on every enemy but Asterius it is double damage

[naive flicker]

is this genuinely consistently possible to dodge

even if you have like 1 dash

[rustic vale]

bait them into a pillar or wall

pray

[naive flicker]

yea that move does suck you can sometimes switch focus to thesues but you can only do that so much

[rustic vale]

It should be possible to dodge w/ the iframes an empty dash gives

[naive flicker]

me when he runs around it sometimes

[naive flicker]

holy hell

[rustic vale]

But Theseus goes down so much faster so I inevitably do have to just suck it up

and wait 4 seconds for Asterius to stop beyblading

mm

That (“inevitably”) looks like it’s spelled wrong

it was

[naive flicker]

xd

em3 always felt kinda weird i most of the time take acorn for that fight

actually i think i take acorn 100% of the time there if i have em3 on

[rustic vale]

See Elysium is like do I take acorn and risk Theseus shredding it or do I take a universal defensive keepsake

[naive flicker]

its kinda impossible to get right unless youre used to writing it ngl

[rustic vale]

Incase I get some hellish ely rooms

[naive flicker]

lmaooo

he just runs me down in the middle of the arena when he feels like it

wait quick question

[rustic vale]

Like atp if feels like spearpoint isn’t even a horrid option

[naive flicker]

in hell mode do you get invisibility frames after dying ?

[rustic vale]

yes

or

no change from base

[naive flicker]

shield dudes mad annoying

[rustic vale]

personal Liability removes the bubble that happens when you take a massive chunk of damage at once/ many hits at once

but the bubble doesn’t pop up when you die

[naive flicker]

wait wdym

[naive flicker]

oh ok good

cuz when you kill yourself in magma

after you die you get ticked a bit more till you get off the lava

whcih if you dont do it at frame one i thought youd get hit on hellfile

[rustic vale]

that’s why you use the resurrection float

to get back on land

[naive flicker]

its still hard

you still get ticked its not actually flaoting

[rustic vale]

wdym

if you’re close enough you can float back before you get ticked

[naive flicker]

like you can hear him take hits you just dont take damage cuz of iframes after death

[naive flicker]

its really tight no?

[rustic vale]

uhh

[naive flicker]

ok im badly explaining it

[rustic vale]

I usually don’t have a problem with it

Like

I usually dash into magma very close to shore

[naive flicker]

i never take damage but i can hear the magma hitting sound after death while trying to get back on solid ground

[rustic vale]

oh I may just tune that out

[naive flicker]

im pretty sure he gets ticked unless you are like really really close to land

[rustic vale]

mhm

Oh also after I dash into the magma I usually start walking back before I die even

so that’s another thing that can minimize it

[naive flicker]

i just kinda dont think about it sometimes i panic and take extra damage

i just need to learn em4 now on sd after i finish my finals

man this game is way too fun

[rustic vale]

the real Hades gamer test is how many times you’ve killed yourself by going to reset your sd when you’ve already used your sd that room

[naive flicker]

i still havent gotten to the cast builds and insane damage builds part of the game

[naive flicker]

DUDE LMAO

[rustic vale]

Tbf if you keep bumping the heat

you won’t be able to

[naive flicker]

i literally did that but i had an extra defiance from athena

in this 46 run just today

[naive flicker]

after i feel like ive limit tested too much ill get to do these

[rustic vale]

You are not getting mirage shot beo running with ap, and ri in the picture ❌

[rustic vale]

I usually oscillate between pushing higher heat and or fast speed times whenever I come back every 6 months

And speed is nice because you get to use the good builds

Mow thru the underworld in 8 minutes

[naive flicker]

trol

dude ive seen like 2 haelian videos on mirrage shot

i need to get an ares casst build going

[naive flicker]

thats still nuts to me

[rustic vale]

Ares cast beo 💔

Slicing flare is truly a boon of ever

[naive flicker]

broits so good

i take it on like every run if i can

it feels good idk if it does damage tho

thing i hate about cast builds is just that it can always be better

and i still havent decided if thats a good or a bad thing

[rustic vale]

See I lucked into 8 minute times on rail and fists like 2-3 weeks ago and I’ve been chasing the high since to little success on other weapons 😔

even on the same weapons like the rng I got was crazy between boon rng, room rng and enemy rng

I’ve had some get close but then styx messes it all up

[naive flicker]

how about shields?

[rustic vale]

My shield time is still my worst

at like

10:53

Because I don’t use shield

I’m not a beo gamer

I use zeus if I’m using shield

I’ve always used shield for heat not for speed and beo feels wrong 💔

Especially when it’s like night and day with charged-shot

Like with sword I can settle for breaching slash first hammer and get similiar-ish times to double-edge

[naive flicker]

shield is like the highest skill ceiling yea?

[naive flicker]

same i havent unlocked beo

[rustic vale]

With fists I can go explosive upper rather than breaching and still do pretty ok

[rustic vale]

Uhh

Yeah

I mean I’ve heard beo described as low skill but I just don’t see it

[naive flicker]

i actually died on zeus sheild on 32 heat at hades then ragequit 😭

[rustic vale]

At least for getting speedrun times

[naive flicker]

bro sword is just ahh

i have 1 clear on it and i cant bother play it more

[rustic vale]

Zeus has a fairly low skill floor, but an extremely high ceiling

[rustic vale]

Are you on controller

[naive flicker]

i tried going fast on fists and ended up getting worse time on them than when i didnt try

[naive flicker]

i really like weapons like these ngl

[naive flicker]

no

i play on keyboard

[rustic vale]

I generally avoid sword because the dash-strike is extremely thin and that precision just isn’t there most of the time for consecutive d-strikes on sword

at least not for me

I did get my sub10 time with it after a lot of practice

Maybe 10 or 11 runs

I could double check at the house

Mind you I was seeding my runs so that cut down on the number of resets or escape attempts that would be recorded

I was seeding based off hammer one cuz

the power of sword does like

drastically swing if you get good hammer choices early vs bad

which is a massive diff in time

If I was a pc player I’d probably be playing w/ the speedrun modpack equipped in a heartbeat

[naive flicker]

i also struggle with the dash strikes but its mostly cuz i havent played much you can skill solution it with good aim on the mouse

but sub 10 is just so insane to me rn

speedrunning and allat

endgame sht

[rustic vale]

I mean

[naive flicker]

speedrunning would help me a lot with high heat

[rustic vale]

as far as I know 50 heat is more endgame than sub10

[naive flicker]

but i feel like there are some core speed items you need to even be fast

and idk if they work

[naive flicker]

not on hestia bro trust me

[rustic vale]

I find that doing one usually helps get better at the other

[naive flicker]

i mean i feel like the main thing about other weapons especially melee ones are the bosses

[naive flicker]

it carries over thats pretty nice

[rustic vale]

I feel like the main difference for what you need to know is how reckless you can be

but you want to properly group enemies for both

[naive flicker]

melee high heat yea?

you can get carried over by trynna dishout a lot of damage

[rustic vale]

uhhh

just in general

high heat vs speedrunning

[naive flicker]

hm

[rustic vale]

because you can use your hp as a currency or resource in speedrunning that you just don’t have to let hit 0 where as for high heat you have to be safer

but like every other skill should be transferable

battie set-ups kinda fall apart with dc I suppose

[naive flicker]

duuude you just reminded me of half life speedrunning

[rustic vale]

building is a little different but the core ideas are the same

[naive flicker]

yea i get that

[rustic vale]

eventually you get to manipping spawn locations and grouping up enemies to kill multiple at a time for max efficiency

[naive flicker]

wing it

[rustic vale]

which is a thing for both areas

[naive flicker]

thats insanely satisfying when you get like a good chunk of foes all clumped up together witht the special

is that a word clumped?

[rustic vale]

yesh

[naive flicker]

ok

[rustic vale]

I never got good at it but high skill zeus uses the shield bash knockback a ton

In tandem with the special

knocking everyone into groups

[naive flicker]

i probably need to consume more content from high level players

[rustic vale]

uhhh

I should too

I literally just listen to people yapp on discord I can hardly sit through a speedrun or high heat video

So I avoid them

The most I’ve watched at this point is the intro to speedrunning

[rustic vale]

The problem is it’s kinda scattered

[naive flicker]

lmao

[naive flicker]

CHAOS ONLY RUN

hades brainrot

nah haelian pretty chill

[rustic vale]

You can find some purely informational videos about like how to best use battie, how to speedrun, how to do the proper dps rotation on every aspect/weapon in game (made prior to pseudotech’s discovery)

[naive flicker]

idk why he recomending ap1 for first time 32heat

ig its not horrendous but when you get unlucky

i just wanna destroy something

ingame

[rustic vale]

See

Ap1 is just

Unnecessarily adding more rng to your 32 heat run

[naive flicker]

you can only consume so much

[rustic vale]

you could easily put that heat somewhere else and have a consistent build with slightly harder enemies

[rustic vale]

um

It’s more of a lack of purely educational content ngl

there are a lot of videos of runs

[naive flicker]

i think he just trying not to make it unfun with like high hardlabor or lots of calisthenics

[rustic vale]

there are a handful of videos that actually like walk you through concepts or applying a skill

[naive flicker]

or like lc

[rustic vale]

even then like

[naive flicker]

so he just has everything very low and balanced

[rustic vale]

~

[naive flicker]

realistically ap1 at 32heat isnt the worst but it can feel bad for someone trynna go for something in specific

[naive flicker]

thats also true

[rustic vale]

Haelian is an extremely good player he’s just not the best source of Hades advice or information yk

He has some submissions on either the high heat or modded high heat leaderboard

I figure itms probably just high heat but I’ll double check

[naive flicker]

its 1 person he is gonna be a little biased most likely

wait you need a 50heat to get on the leaderboard right?

[rustic vale]

Yeah he has 58 heat unmodded

[naive flicker]

oh nvm you need to actually record the run

[naive flicker]

that hestia run is crazy ngl

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[naive flicker]

never getting on sadge

[rustic vale]

He’s also not a Hades only channel

[naive flicker]

i havent checked his channel cuz of possible hades 2 spoilers

[rustic vale]

He had other roguelites as of late

I think

I checked it out like a year ago and I think most of the recent videos at that time

weren’t Hades

but I might be misremembering

[naive flicker]

around a year ago he stopped playing hades i think (he might be playing it on stream idk)

all the videos i watch are from 1-4 years ago

[rustic vale]

I don’t know if I’ve sat through a full video of his because it’s just not what I do

[naive flicker]

i wouldve loved if the team kept trynna do some like even yearly patches to this game

[mint coral]

I used to

[rustic vale]

I did watch his aspect tierlist because a bunch of people at one point kept going “but Haelian put Chiron in (S or A) tier on his tierlist” and the video opens with like

lemme get the quote

[naive flicker]

idk how necessary they are but i need every weapon to be possible on maximum heat bro 😭

[mint coral]

What I learned the most was "eris gud, TD is not scary"

[naive flicker]

lmao fair

[naive flicker]

i read the pinned if thats what youre talking about (nvm i was talking about a different thing mb)

[naive flicker]

i think he made a new one thats a little less biased

[naive flicker]

lmao

[mint coral]

Had to learn somewhere

[naive flicker]

td is infact not scary thank god i listened

i wouldnt wanna be doing dd at all rn

you get the most random deaths sometimes

motly skill issue tbh

i get depressed if i the death isnt worth and its a dd

prayge for patroclus or just be sad

[rustic vale]

Atp it would’ve been faster if I just openned the video

He has a disclaimer about the ranking being off ‘percieved strength and the fun he has with it’ (at least that’s what past me paraphrased it as)

and people came in using it as gospel

[naive flicker]

yea

i remember him putting chaos shield very high just bcz of his experience

then he remade it in another video and fixed some stuff

i mean ey atleast he tries

[rustic vale]

“even if they were, who are we to determine that? haelian put chiron and chaos in s tier in his aspect tier list, u think u know better than him? i wouldnt proclaim to, i cant even beat 50 heat”

[naive flicker]

i dont think there i a requirement for an opinion to be valid

[rustic vale]

eh

[naive flicker]

i mean more experience does help ofc im not saying that anyone can make random opinions

[rustic vale]

it depends on the topic I think

[naive flicker]

but you cant not take something seriously just bcz somebody maybe have studied the game more than actually have played it perchance

[rustic vale]

at some point it becomes less opinion and more fact

[naive flicker]

bigger number righter opinion

[naive flicker]

true

[rustic vale]

when we’re having a discussion on the actual relative power of aspects

[naive flicker]

zeusing

[rustic vale]

Haelians video factors in his own percieved strength from is experience, and the enjoyment he had, rather than like

[naive flicker]

actually zeus isnt the strongest

[rustic vale]

more emperical speedrunning or heat data

which is kind of the like 2 metrics we have to check an aspects strength

“how well does is go fast?”
“How well does it hold up under harsh conditions?”

[naive flicker]

actually he did do a video on 32ehat runs and what people use most commonly

but thats just 1 thing

[amber crest]

Popularity and effectiveness aren’t 100% accurate together

[rustic vale]

I mean

take reddit as an example

[amber crest]

Sigh

[rustic vale]

literally any gaming community not even just Hades tbh

[naive flicker]

they can be tied up together sometimes but its mostly the popular aspect is the easiest

[amber crest]

Theyre definitely connected

[latent moon]

considering a lot of 32 heat pacts he pulled from used routine inspection, i would be wary of that video lmao

[rustic vale]

who on earth is using ri for 32

[latent moon]

it has good info, but iirc the like "averaged pact" at the end or whatever it was called had some dubious stuff on it

[rustic vale]

😁

[latent moon]

ri1 being on it iirc

[naive flicker]

gigachads they dont have enough darkness to max mirror so it doent matter trol

[rustic vale]

true

[latent moon]

true but also having 1 reroll is still really beneficial lmao

or even like 10% dark foresight

[rustic vale]

Optimal 32 heat pact is to just run ri because I can’t afford any of the bottom upgrades

[latent moon]

true that's why i did ri4

[rustic vale]

if you’re starting a new save file

and trying to achieve high heats early like

uhhh

[naive flicker]

i never confirmed this but you do stop getting keys after floor 1 right?

[naive flicker]

dude wtf wtf?

are you running 60 heat or what

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1250564469650886726/0389D341-64F1-46E7-BB9A-C2D5FF848DE4.jpg?ex=6872d56b&is=687183eb&hm=8f647f0a33090a7e5230b5856aec3857cda6fe387593f9f7bf45d0ce1a361ec2&format=webp&width=1790&height=1134&

[latent moon]

oh nvm haelian's thing didn't have ri

[rustic vale]

I want to say I remember this but

[latent moon]

hl2 lc1 cf2 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 dc2 td3

[rustic vale]

cf2 😭

[latent moon]

no but it's generally difficult to lmao

you can get it in asphodel for sure

[rustic vale]

Dc2

You can get keys wherever

[latent moon]

hardly ever ely but it can happen

[naive flicker]

did you legit get a freshfile win into a 32heat win?

[latent moon]

no it was 34 heat :)

[rustic vale]

No I have aspects which

are

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1246634164351143966/image.png?ex=6873098a&is=6871b80a&hm=3cf0410b5d4dea6826199c372baf9bbbce47242ce6cf2b63ef086daa97c40f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1536&height=864

also if you're running ri4, you're either doing 61 heat or 64 heat lol

[naive flicker]

i did have fo2 and it is good to get used to it early but fk i feel like some aspects just cant play the game with fo2

[latent moon]

unless it's practice i guess

[rustic vale]

think about the # of keys you need to a) fully open the mirror and b) get all weaps for aspects

[latent moon]

nah they all can

[rustic vale]

cuz you can’t do ri without full mirror

[latent moon]

just harder but still very doable

[rustic vale]

and I have a level 4 aspect of zag there you’d need to have killed furies at least 4 times

[naive flicker]

oh yea i remember but not in floor 3

[naive flicker]

bro tf are you doinggg

[latent moon]

it's just very rare bc it's typically darkness vs gems

[rustic vale]

Slower aspects are just harder w/ fo2

[naive flicker]

and i thought my first 40heat setup was bad before i changed it

[latent moon]

but it can pop up out of chaos where the options are darkness, gems, and key

[naive flicker]

yea

[rustic vale]

I believe Bananas was intentional rather than his first?

[latent moon]

i mean i've cleared 32 heat on all aspects already long before i did that, along with 50 heat on a handful of aspects lmao

[naive flicker]

omg 53

[latent moon]

so like i kinda know what i'm doing lmfao that wasn't my first 32 heat or whatever

did it bc i thought it'd be funny

[naive flicker]

122 attempts into 53 heat

nice

[rustic vale]

Is there a full video of the dc64 escape or was it only tart

[latent moon]

oh the attempts are bs

im using a max save file

bc i'm using the speedrun modpack

[rustic vale]

Sppedrun savefile 🫶

[latent moon]

and cleared run data like twice

[naive flicker]

real

[latent moon]

i prob have idk total maybe 1k? i have no clue

[latent moon]

very doubtful lmfao

prob just tart

dc64 would be genuinely horrible

[naive flicker]

oh

[rustic vale]

I seed too much for my escape attempts to be truly in-line w/ my real number

[naive flicker]

what weapon was that 53 on

[latent moon]

zag shield

or was it zeus

[mint coral]

Best shield

[latent moon]

hold oin

[rustic vale]

Bugo

[naive flicker]

im guessing you just did em4 with everything maxed without touching ap or ri?

or like ri2 em3?

[latent moon]

yeah zag shield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EoETm4noT4

ri1 em3

[naive flicker]

does it play that differently to zeus

[latent moon]

cp1

[naive flicker]

wouldnt it have been easier with zeus

[latent moon]

oh yeah probably

idk why i chose zag shield

i was having a zag shield arc for a bit

[naive flicker]

and ap1?

[latent moon]

oh ap2

[naive flicker]

oh nvm im so hestia brained i forgot other aspects can clear dc

[latent moon]

everything is maxed but ri1, cp1, and em3

[rustic vale]

Cursed ahh pact fot

[naive flicker]

wait damn how miserable was that

[latent moon]

on zag shield it's pretty bad lmao

it's not that bad tho surprisingly

tart is mainly the issue

[naive flicker]

xd

[latent moon]

you really gotta get good groupings

[rustic vale]

You should try 64 w/ icy flare 🙏

[naive flicker]

should i do em4 as a jump from 46 to 50 or is it a ap1 ri1 angle?

maybe ri2

[latent moon]

what's your current pact atm

[naive flicker]

uhm hollun i had a screenshot of the 46

[latent moon]

if it's hestia then ri2 is lowkey kinda free but also so is em4

[naive flicker]

this was the setup

i mean fudge

alright ill delay em4 as much as i can

ri2 it is

[latent moon]

oh no hell mode a little rough lmao

ap1 ri2 can work yeah

but also em4 could be pretty fine since you're on ap0

cp2 em4 tho so prob do ap1 ri2

[naive flicker]

yk this run was my first time having hs on

[latent moon]

lmao fair

[naive flicker]

i either need ap1 ri1 or ap0 ri2

cuz i have both on 0

wait no i dont

fk

sht

[latent moon]

lmao

[naive flicker]

its fine hestia is free ill figure it out ill have to go for now ty for the help

[latent moon]

most people consider ri2 pretty easy for what it's worth

i remember someone asking someone else the other day why didn't they just take ri2 when they already have ri1 lmao

and ap1 is like

very fine

it's hestia you only need like 2.5 boons

[naive flicker]

the problem is time optimization rn with the -25% damge imma get from ri2

i need like a good ares battle rage boon

for faster clearing

[latent moon]

mm yeah true

better hammers would help too

hazard namely

[naive flicker]

i had 1 run where i didnt get an attack nor a special boon till heros and died

[latent moon]

or even ricochet

[naive flicker]

so fk ap for now

ill delay ap the most

[latent moon]

i mean

you have shackle lmao

[naive flicker]

since i feel like its a cheap way to get heat

not cheat but just

[latent moon]

or just reset on the first boon until you get an attack or special

[naive flicker]

i dont wanna reset

[naive flicker]

I FROGOT

[latent moon]

happens

most people take ap at 40

[naive flicker]

no never reset

[latent moon]

ap1 is pretty chill tbh

[naive flicker]

unless i forget to change my keepsake from lasst run then hit give up real quick

[mint coral]

🐸

[naive flicker]

i was doing that but they told me im doing it 10 heats early and they are kinda right its not necessary

[latent moon]

i mean for hestia it's doable

but also it's hestia

you need 2.5 boons lmao

also who's telling you ap1 is too early at 40 heat

[naive flicker]

ill do 50 without ap hopefully and commit to just learning em4 better

[latent moon]

esp 10 heats too early

[naive flicker]

till like idk 50+ which i dont see mysel doing

just run shackle and prayge

[naive flicker]

wdym?

[latent moon]

attack, special, maybe a good dash

that's all you need on hestia besides hammers basically

[naive flicker]

i mean it really just adds a layer of unneeded rng

[naive flicker]

sometimes im fine with attack and dash tbh special is a nice bonus

[latent moon]

still 2.5 lmao

[naive flicker]

i havent gotten a single good hammer on hestia so i sometimes just take health oveer hammers ngl

ik its wrong

but the only hammers i get are special hammers

and i get like 0 % on the special

[naive flicker]

true

[rustic vale]

Even then

Ricochet shot doubles your strike dps

and well placed piercing fire can as well

[lavish sorrel]

aspect-dependent, but often it's too early imo

zeus/hestia/rama/arthur(/achilles?/dem?) can absolutely get away with it, but take something like chiron/zagsword/zagshield/luci/guanyu(/gilga?) and you might have some trouble due to how little they can reliably do without a strong hammer.

this is from the slightly biased perspective of someone who's tried to winstreak every aspect in a row at 40 and has not cleared yet, whereas not everyone wants to clear a heat-level consistently, only clear it once. maybe my thoughts on AP1 at 40 will change eventually, but the more winstreaking I have done the more I have leaned into AP0 RI0 pacts at that difficulty-level (I used to be a RI1 AP1 40 heat apologist).

[formal berry]

Nemesis aspect S tier

[rustic vale]

Mfw the best sword aspect is the best sword aspect

[formal berry]

Gilgamesh my second favourite

then Rama

[naive flicker]

its inconsistent and bounces randomly sometimes

so it doubles it at best but most of the time it doesnt hit another target

[naive flicker]

yea

[naive flicker]

dude an aspect 40heat winstreak is insane

quite doable

i only played the good aspects

[rustic vale]

It’s still worth it

[naive flicker]

it might be more necessary now that im struggling with time and the amount of enemies

also should i run shackle with ap1 ri2

or do i just go ap2 at this point

that might increase the number of attempts a bunch

and i dont see myself saving enough time for hades fight at the current moment

[rustic vale]

Running shackle can help you until you find solid replacements

[naive flicker]

yea ap1 ri2 it is then ill do an 50heat em4 version maybe

[lavish sorrel]

can confirm, ricochet fire good. it helps with hestia's main issue, groups of enemies.

#h1-victory-boasting message

[naive flicker]

its better than not having it but sometimes i find myself wanting health over that cuz time wasnt the main issue but now that js cp is in the question and maxxed its yea

you need a decent hammer to work with

[lavish sorrel]

ricochet top 3 hestia hammers

tbh

for high heat especially

[naive flicker]

ri3 is inasne

have you done it with em4 since then or is that the max you tried with hestia

thats so damn impressive tho

goddamn

also your times on other weapons and their max heat records lmao holy sht

where did you use tooth btw

acorn from ely to hades also yea?

and im guessing tooth for aspho

and shackle start

ive always hated artemis strike

[primal compass]

Chat pick my next run’s weapon and keepsake

[naive flicker]

how bad do you wanna suffer

[primal compass]

Dealer’s choice idc how well this run goes

[lavish sorrel]

goal is to add EM4 to that pact, yes. that'll be hestia heat WR when that happens.

[naive flicker]

go with ares and zeus keepsake

on the attack

[naive flicker]

nowayyyyy

59 is the wr?

[lavish sorrel]

58

haelian's only heat wr

[naive flicker]

wait you used 56

wr isnt 58

[lavish sorrel]

kept shackle into aspho

[naive flicker]

someone beat that im pretty sure

if im not missremembering

its like a 60

or a 61 im not exactly sure

[lavish sorrel]

there's a 60 heat modded run by zyru, but that's modded

[primal compass]

Holy crap how did I forget to give Ares nectar lmao I don’t have his keepsake

[lavish sorrel]

and a 62 hypermodded by timothy

[naive flicker]

so no tooth ?

[lavish sorrel]

but unmodded, 58 is record right now

[naive flicker]

oh then mb

[lavish sorrel]

no tooth 👍

[naive flicker]

did i say ares? i meant zeus keepsake unless you wanna do a different run

[naive flicker]

damnnnn

[lavish sorrel]

to be clear, tooth aspho / ely is perfectly reasonable, the situation didn't favor it though.

[primal compass]

What weapon

[naive flicker]

hl5 tooth is worse than acorn

[naive flicker]

i meant to say eris 😭

sorry

[primal compass]

Lmao

[naive flicker]

yea you can easily get no strike till asphodel and even ely but youd retart if you dont get a strike till ely im assuming cuz time just doesnt workout

UNLESS you get a lucky battle rage

maybe?

[lavish sorrel]

not always, it's situational. an alternative to collar / acorn

[naive flicker]

i feel more confident having to see more than 1 life personally but doesnt father kill you in 5 moves

but ig there are minions and shockwaves in the fight

[primal compass]

🫡
See you on the other side

[naive flicker]

collar is a thing?

[lavish sorrel]

never in styx, I mean it's an alternative in aspho/ely

[naive flicker]

hopefully itll be a lil fun

[lavish sorrel]

gets you out of 1shot range if you don't have much max hp leaving tart + lets you take a chaos gate right after entering c0 of the biome if you otherwise wouldn't have the HP

basically just a chaos egg with extra safety benefits

[primal compass]

This build is lowkey fire? I got a really good hammer at the start lol

Faster shooting + more ammo + chain damage

[naive flicker]

that if you manage to get a strike boon by the end of tart

[lavish sorrel]

indeed

[naive flicker]

another question regarding shackle are you taking a bad % just bcz you can boon it higher than the shackle to get another keepsake going or will you not settle for a low % on the strike

[lavish sorrel]

anything above 30% (or artemis because that attack scales really well with other additive buffs) can do tbh. if you can pom those up and reach like 60 to 70%, you've almost got shackle-levels of value without having to keep shackle on.

the idea is to be able to unequip shackle before leaving asphodel, though it you somehow still don't have an attack in ely, then keeping shackle on still is reasonable

[primal compass]

Update, passed Alecto haven’t popped a death defied

If anyone wants to pick my Asphodel keepsake go for it

[naive flicker]

internet is really bad rn so i legit cant even send msgs its crazy

[primal compass]

Dang

[lavish sorrel]

artemis attack to get off shackle looks weak on the surface, but with shadow presence in the mirror one immediately can add 50% additive to howevermuch the attack-boon itself has

[primal compass]

Taking Broken Spearpoint

[naive flicker]

the poms are so rough with ap2

[lavish sorrel]

full disclosure, if you're keeping shackle in ely and you still don't have an attack-boon after ely you better have at least a minute left leaving that biome lmao

because you'll probably want to switch to acorn regardless of anything in styx, and get any attack-boon you can even if it's weak

[primal compass]

Just beat the hydra, I’ve never even cleared Tartarus with this weapon before lmao

[naive flicker]

in my 46 ri1 ap0 em3 run i had like barely 50seconds left but pretty bad rng so i think its not impossible but its such an rng filled run at that point

[naive flicker]

i dont mean the 46 im sure you can do a 46 even a 50 consistently but once you get ap going like nah idk if im determined enough to add both levels of ap

[lavish sorrel]

depends a lot on your pact, but I'd say 50 hestia can be very consistent

[naive flicker]

maybe like max id do is ri3

i dont even have hell mode thatll be 1 less heat too

[naive flicker]

yea i kinda like it for that

but its also kinda broken so i dont like it for that

[naive flicker]

i played it once but i hear many good things about it

and i do see the vision

it can be great

[naive flicker]

but the 75% on undamaged foes?

i still run that is it bad at this point?

i mean tbh more consistent 50% damage even at bosses is kinda nice

and i can see myself kinda using it also with clearing rooms if i focus on it

yea its probably the better mirror option thats a blunder on my end

also wasnt shackle a 100% strike special cast percentage and not an 80% before?

man that wouldve been so juicy

[primal compass]

I have rectified my blunder

Holy crap I finished Thesesus with 4 HP

[cloud ibex]

Shouldn't the Icy Flare boon apply to Hera Bow too? I charged the cast into the bow and fired it, but it still created a Crystal Beam, which feels off. It should only apply to the Beowulf aspect.

[gray apex]

I wouldve liked if it did. Beams are practically unplayable on Hera but unfortunately it’s what we have. It’s one of those obscure decisions I suppose

[lavish sorrel]

hestia's main issue in high heat is backhalf damage, shadow's more reliable for this reason in my opinion. shackle does enough damage to let you 1shot nearly everything in tart and some things in aspho

[lavish sorrel]

it is 100%, this is true

but what I'm saying is that 80% is close enough™, good enough to replace shackle to take another keepsake into the following biome

[naive flicker]

backhalf as in like ely styx you mean yea?

yea i see that for sure

[naive flicker]

wait what you mean it used to be 100%?

[lavish sorrel]

shackle is +100% damage

that's all I'm saying

[naive flicker]

why is mine at 80

wait wtf

is it 2stars

it might be not maxxed idk

[lavish sorrel]

level it up, it'll be at 100

[naive flicker]

damn ok thats insane

do you have plans to push hestia ?

[lavish sorrel]

yeah goal for me is reccy

[naive flicker]

reccy?

[lavish sorrel]

wr

[cloud ibex]

The effectiveness of Urge to Kill?

[scarlet creek]

ayy I hit platinum

[naive flicker]

in league?

[indigo badge]

what's the unmodded wr? 58?

[naive flicker]

im kinda excited to try a bit of shadow presence

[naive flicker]

he said that yea

and 60 modded 62hyper modded

sadly no potential for 64 hestia tragic life

[indigo badge]

unmodded 60 would be crazy

[naive flicker]

thats like ri3 ap2

em4

the time save needs to be crazy

he can do it i believe

the 58 haelian has is em4 ri2 i believe

its so pushable

[indigo badge]

ri3 em4 is hell

the difference in difficulty between 58 heat and 60 heat is crazy

[devout sundial]

Hi everybody! Any word on whether Hades will get a premium/paid release on iOS now that it’s no longer on Netflix? I figure they probably wouldn’t just scrap it after all the dev work that went into porting it, right?

[naive flicker]

i mean ap2 is the problem here if im being real

cuz you cant even guarantee good hermes

i actually have no idea if the 3 64 heat runs we have took extra dashes or sprint from hermes

it becomes a different game you legit do a 1 bad dash and its over

fking asterious charge with 1 dash

yea nah idk

[lavish sorrel]

shields don't need dashes, they can block

[naive flicker]

oh yea i forgot

[lavish sorrel]

the unmodded rama run does have dashes though 👍

the modded one doesn't

[naive flicker]

trol

[stiff obsidian]

I nearly did 62 monodash

Very unfortnite

[naive flicker]

what is a monodash run?

[stiff obsidian]

Ri3

[old bluff]

you only have one dash instead of two

[naive flicker]

so like 1 dash

[stiff obsidian]

Yes

[naive flicker]

yea ok

goddamn bro why is everyone here so cracked

[stiff obsidian]

Reached like halfway through p3 and died 😩

No hypersprint but pos call was basically hs with iframes

[indigo badge]

the game is 5 years old, anyone still active will obviously be seriously invested

[lavish sorrel]

this is a great place to spread knowledge to more people, so a few speedrun discord people hang out here at times.

many of those you've met here including false side, pizza, me, bananas, mike and edward are from there.

so it's not that the majority of people in this server are cracked, it's just that people who care about the game the most tend to talk about it the most.

[latent moon]

i haven't played in like close to a year now or something lmao

[old bluff]

That doesn’t mean you aren’t a cracked player Mr. 58 heat and 5:32

[latent moon]

it's 53 heat lmfao

i'm just mega washed

[old bluff]

I swear it was 58

Was that noob

I’m losing it

Also, 53 still beats me

[rustic vale]

Dang

Did not know that

[mint coral]

I think I stopped at 50

[old bluff]

It was 55

I’ve officially lost it

[mint coral]

Yeah just checked too lmao

[raw herald]

Gone bananas

[old bluff]

Alex you forgot rt on the list of cracked players 😭

[rustic vale]

I think you forgot whenever Jazz decides to stumble in like once a month

[old bluff]

that too

because despite what jazz may say, they are in fact hella cracked

[rustic vale]

They’re always washed

no matter what the occasion

[naive flicker]

i mean yea its just kinda crazy

[naive flicker]

damn ok

[naive flicker]

you can pick it back up in no time im sure

[naive flicker]

their washed standards might be off limits

[latent moon]

i tried a 40 heat rama run the other day and died to alecto lmao

tbf no hammer

but was kinda eh

[naive flicker]

alecto kinda impossible

[latent moon]

no i just kinda played bad lmao

i forgot how fast alecto is

[rustic vale]

I think their washed standards are not being sub6 after rusting for like

A year

[naive flicker]

YEP figured

dude sub6 how is that real

[latent moon]

nah jazz's standards are more like not being able to sub5 or at least low 6 a run lmfao

[naive flicker]

have they talked here in the past week or 2

[rustic vale]

No

It’s been 2 months

It’s typically around once every 1-3 months now

[naive flicker]

thats pretty chill ngl

[rustic vale]

They were a lot more active in the past now it’s

“I’m washed” in #h1-discussion followed by a victory screen that looks like this in #h1-victory-boasting

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1361789873937322194/YNHPotU.png?ex=68740d26&is=6872bba6&hm=9495afa9507ab65fb5280c2963744ec624551642402d713581ca7fc1fb3285fa&

[naive flicker]

lil bit of a burnout

[naive flicker]

ya ya

ya ya ya