#h1-discussion

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naive flicker
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you need 1million to get max rank or something

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prolly

stiff obsidian
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1/3of that

naive flicker
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holy lord

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charged shot or sudden rush

indigo badge
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charged shot

naive flicker
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common jolted or epic call (zeus)

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im still in floor 1

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im calling it

amber crest
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What weapon

naive flicker
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shield

amber crest
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It’s jolted unless you’re confident you can get a higher rarity one later

naive flicker
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zeus

amber crest
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Static discharge is just so strong

naive flicker
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i think i am im floor 1 and its like chill heat so im prolly keeping the keepsake if i dont get one

amber crest
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So what’s the point

naive flicker
amber crest
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Wouldn’t it just be better to fill up ur god pool

naive flicker
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there is no point to get another god on the pool if i alr have athena and aphro on the attack rn

amber crest
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Then take another keepsake

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Coin purse

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Hourglass

naive flicker
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i mean

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i never use hourglass actually i should start buying well items

amber crest
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Mom Pom even

amber crest
naive flicker
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also i didnt know it was a one time thing on the god with the keepsake

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thatss a lil weird

naive flicker
amber crest
naive flicker
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yea

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zeus's aspect damage is not ok

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ive melted the heros in like 20seconds with them before

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its unreal

silk marsh
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so anyway, i started blasting

rustic vale
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This appears to be true

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I may have pulled a stupid and decided to test with Eris before remembering you can’t get the lightning bolt boons without a lightning bolt core

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But as far as I can tell

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Jolted is a bona-fide lightning bolt

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I’ll do a run w/ zeus^2 after to test fr thou

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Holy I think I possibly just did a sub20 second tiny vermin fight 🥹

naive flicker
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does special speed from hermes affect zzues special?

rustic vale
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nope

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I mean

naive flicker
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alr

rustic vale
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it affects the speed with which you throw it out

naive flicker
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it comes out fasster but doent tick faster

rustic vale
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Yep

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Still a 0.3s tick rate

naive flicker
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also return rate

rustic vale
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uh

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not sure about that one

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I know you guaranteed throw it faster so you can start moving again sooner

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I don’t remember if the disc itself physically moves faster

naive flicker
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i think it does but i might be gaslighting myself cuz its like 10% and i cant tell for sht

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ok no it doesnt

rustic vale
heavy wave
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dude. thank you so much i FINALLY got second wave! it took me like 2 runs but i did it. i finally did it. again, thank you so much i can finally live in peace and finally fulfilled the prophecy

nocturne heart
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i can’t seem to beat megaera with anything other than the bow. close range weapons seem impossible to use

cloud ibex
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In the middle of battle, a red marker appears on the character, and it take damage if I don’t kill or attack enemies within a certain period of time. What is this? no Punishment

indigo badge
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if you practice the timing you can just dodge it, in case there's too many enemies

cloud ibex
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not that...

indigo badge
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🤔

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can you send an image?

cloud ibex
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Zagreus not have interactions where he tends to Persephone's garden. MelGrin

rustic vale
indigo badge
rustic vale
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I did think about that but like

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It’s not happening in the avg room

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that’s a theseus and challenge room specific thing iirc

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Or are Ares challenge rooms blades I can’t rememebr

vagrant python
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if i have doom on attack

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is doom on special decent cause like

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i get both

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or is it just 1 doom

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cause doom damage is different

rustic vale
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it’s just one doom

vagrant python
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ok so its useless to have it on multiple things unless i get dire misfortune

rustic vale
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even when you have dire misfortune

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There’s pretty much no point to having it on more than one of the two out of your strike and special

autumn jewel
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can it be overwritten like hangover does

rustic vale
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yeah

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I can’t remember how the override works w/ dire misfortune thou

tepid plover
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I didn't think you could override it, i thought you needed to wait for the first to pop before you can apply a new one

rustic vale
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Pretty sure you can override it and it makes curse of longing obsolete iirc

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either that or you can’t and curse of longing locks you out of applying doom for the duration of the weaken and is even worse tizomg

raven flume
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I’m lowkey giving up on giving Hypnos ambrosia

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This dude is unreasonable

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Hate that I have to get Thanatos just to even have a chance to progress his quest

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F*** this guy

mint coral
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Hate Than smh

autumn phoenix
raven flume
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I’ve done like 10 runs trying to get more dialogue for the Hypnos quest and than has just said nothing

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I’m giving up on this stupid grey haired buffoon

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Sucks too cuz Hypnos is the only person left in the game I need to max out my bond with ☹️

primal compass
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Forgot I was using aspect of Achilles and got really confused when I zoomed across the room using my special

silk marsh
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So what are the extra techniques that bosses get?

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I beat heat 2 and to move to heat 3 I was gonna add two boss techniques. So what are the first two extra techniques that bosses learn.

mint coral
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Find out

rustic vale
autumn jewel
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mfw dad pulls out his 4th secret weapon: the 4th phase

mint coral
silk marsh
mint coral
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Please find yourself

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They are fun

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Em1-2 aren't that hard so you will be fine

silk marsh
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I ain't at home to play

mint coral
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And def don't spoil yourself for em3

silk marsh
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I would but beating heat 2 was the last thing I did last night

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I'm gonna die anyways likely so just tell me

mint coral
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Nuh uh

silk marsh
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I came here so I wouldn't have to Google things and now I still gotta Google things

mint coral
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Ok just the first 2

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Heroes is too funny to spoil

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Furies has 1 or the 2 other furies join to support the main one you fight

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Hydra makes the arena a bunch of small islands so the heads are closer to each other

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And the last phase breaks the neck so it can chase you around

silk marsh
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4 PHASES WASNT. AJOKE

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BRUUUUH

mint coral
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Aww did you google em4

silk marsh
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I didn't join to casual talk

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The only thing I could find is people talking about their experience. Nothing else

mint coral
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Fair enough

silk marsh
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4 phases

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Really creative

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the extra furies and the islands sounds cool

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The health bar resetting two more times

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Significantly less cool

mint coral
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Is just 3 phases

silk marsh
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SIGNIFICANTLY

mint coral
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He also gets significant combat changes

silk marsh
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Then why are people saying 4

mint coral
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

silk marsh
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I'll just dash through I guess

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I mean I'm already gonna get my ass kicked

mint coral
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Em4 takes a while to unlock anyways

silk marsh
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I just want a headstart

mint coral
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Assuming you haven't reached the credits yet

silk marsh
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Maybe I have

mint coral
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Credits are 10 wins

silk marsh
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As soon as I'm talking to people after Hades I just skip

mint coral
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Damn

silk marsh
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Tbh I'd already be heat15 ateast if it weren't for bounties

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40% extra enemies!!! Now instead of three there's..... Four?

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Wow much hard

mint coral
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You can still do the jump to 15 if you want

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Just repeat the pact till the bounties catch up

silk marsh
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But I need ambrosia to rizz to the gorgon head

rustic vale
silk marsh
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That math ain't mathing

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I already beat two bounties adding the extra enemies

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It did not feel much different but I guess it's cause I ain't add any other kodifiers

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That's why I wanna add big game changing ones

indigo badge
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jury summons is very game changing in elysium

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you only realize that after experiencing unarmored swordsmen c34 🙂

silk marsh
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I've already beaten heat 1 and two adding extra enemies and I'm telling you it didn't feel worse

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Which is why I'm asking about the actual game modifiers

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What else changes the game

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No healing, no mirror

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Extra boss techniques

rustic vale
silk marsh
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As long as I can still just be better and I don't need new knowledge I'll win

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Maybe not the first time but I wil

rustic vale
silk marsh
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Okay cool

rustic vale
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um

silk marsh
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Is there boon rarity or something

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Makes them spawn worse or something

rustic vale
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Un

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Approval Process cuts off 1 option

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for each level

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😁

silk marsh
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So that's why you guys said rng is what matters

rustic vale
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so you go from being able to choose from 3 -> 2 -> 1

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tight deadline puts you on a time limit

silk marsh
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At that point why not just remove the last one

rustic vale
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and just get nothing?

silk marsh
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If I get 3 dashes in a row as my only option I'm gonna flip

rustic vale
silk marsh
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Not that I can't just be better

rustic vale
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Greatest Reflex is one of the best options from Hermes tizomg

silk marsh
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I know

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I already get it automatically

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I use aspect of zagreus and bring his feather

rustic vale
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Middle Management either adds more enemies to a miniboss fight or gives them an upgrade depending on the fight

silk marsh
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So you know I'm about not getting hit

north onyx
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in the original game, i got the hermes boon that gives you chance to dodge, i got that alongside another item up to 60% dodge chance XD

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it was so stupid

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whatever the keepsake is that gives dodge too

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so op

silk marsh
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It's hermes

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Yeah that's what I'm saying

north onyx
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dodge is op

silk marsh
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Not getting hit is kinda op

north onyx
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hermes wormies

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wiggle out of sticky situations

silk marsh
north onyx
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oh this is the first game discussion lol

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i didnt realise mb

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XD

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i have had too much booze

silk marsh
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All I can say though is if I ever have a perfect run and I just time out cause I didn't get boons, that's gonna be an automatic uninstall

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As soon as player skill doesn't matter the game is not worth playing

north onyx
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highest heat ive escaped in the first game is 32

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just for the statue 🥺

silk marsh
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I didn't get on for no gacha experience

north onyx
silk marsh
rustic vale
north onyx
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use the rocket spear

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or the electric shield

silk marsh
north onyx
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best items fr

rustic vale
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wdym

north onyx
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gungir i think its name is

silk marsh
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Are you sure it's not player issue

north onyx
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dayum, thats rough

silk marsh
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gotta blast. Brb

rustic vale
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If you decide to use your aphrodite strike on zag or eris rail w/out spreadfire idk if you’re going to make it with a few levels of calesthenics program and jury summons on

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And then if you turn on like forced overtime for faster enemies then you have to spend more time dashing to dodge enemy attacks

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Oh the other problem with Jury Summons is it not only increases the number of enemies, but it can also increase the number of waves in a room

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So you can end up sticking around in a room for an extra bunch of time because it had a third wave instead of only 2

wintry wolf
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hey uh

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what is the default place for file screenshots?

indigo badge
wintry wolf
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in hades

nimble pivot
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what better aspect of hades or aspect of achillies?

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im new to the game

mint coral
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Achilles

rustic vale
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Achilles is just significantly more applicable for most cases. Raging rush is way quicker and safer than charging up a spin, and buffing your strike and casts just goes farther

mint coral
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Tl;dr better hammer access/buff is easier to apply/ damn it shackle

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Same brain cell

rustic vale
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Yours is more concise tbf

silk marsh
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I just don't want it all at once. I'll learn one part at a time and eventually I'll be cleaning floors with faces

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You mentioned things that aren't punchers so idk how relevant it will be

rustic vale
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If you’re doing anything flat damage with fists

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You should be doing good enough damage for the content that 98% of players experience

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You could have easily swapped in “fists” for “rail” because they are very similiar when it comes to what works

latent moon
latent moon
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And besides, there's still skill expression if you get horrible boons and still win lmao

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So many high heat runs are like that

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iirc the Lucifer heat record has like Demeter attack

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The eris heat record didn't get jolted

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One of angels Zeus runs I think 63 heat? Didn't get jolted either

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And also they've probably failed so many runs bc of bad boons too lmao

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Assuming you don't take bad pacts and don't go too high in heat, you can get good builds extremely consistently

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As long as you know what the good builds are

mint coral
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Can also point out to retrash

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58 sword with like pos attack cursed slash

silk marsh
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Can't wait to take on all the furies at once. I've been practicing my god of war QTEs

latent moon
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Oh yes retrash is peak "how did that happen" lmao

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The point in which rng is a larger factor than skill is such high heat that if you ever work your way up there, you're likely already invested enough to not quit at that point lmao

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Unless you've been banging your head on the wall for like months

rustic vale
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Mhm

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hmm

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I wonder how bad of a build you’d have to make to fail td3 with like

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dc2 cp2 js3 mm em4 bp2

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and nothing else

silk marsh
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Maybe I'm wrong but if I want my skill rewarded. I'm very unlikely to invest beyond the point my skill will be rewarded.

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Which seems like as long as I don't add time I can pretty much add anything else and it's possible.

rustic vale
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The point where your damage needs to be at a certain level is super far

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time is like super manageable up to 32 heat

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and 40

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and I want to say 50 but you do have to start putting in more work atp

indigo badge
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assuming 2 sack

silk marsh
rustic vale
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Mmm

silk marsh
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So no I'll just avoid modifiers that rely on it

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I will NOT gain gratification from rng wins

rustic vale
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Tight deadline is as rng reliant as cp or js or any of the other equally participating factors atp because those pact options are what makes td a problem at such high heat

silk marsh
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No it's not because as long as I just don't die it doesn't matter if my DMG is low

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It will suck and I will probably lose

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But I kinda like being the underdog anyways

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Possible doesn't mean probable

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alright im on lunch

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time to watch an em4 run

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on youtube

gray apex
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Should choose carefully

silk marsh
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choose what?

old bluff
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Your video

silk marsh
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oops

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i just wanna see the stuf the bosses ddo since no one will tell me

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so i can mentally prepare

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hmm only one health bar for the furies though

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thats easier than i thought it would be

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i thought itd be like the theseus fight

rustic vale
silk marsh
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why?

latent moon
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The reactions of players during or after the fight is fun to see

silk marsh
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i dont get it

latent moon
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It's a lot more manageable than players think

rustic vale
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Being told what they are before hand just deprives you of the first-time experience yourself

latent moon
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Time carries over between biomes

silk marsh
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im not gonna bother putting it on when eventually im jsut gonna take it off

latent moon
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"eventually have" how high are you planning to go

silk marsh
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as far as you can go with skill

latent moon
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Bc unironically if you want to keep the same heat number, the 6 heat you get from TD is so much more manageable than whatever you replace it with

latent moon
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Aspect dependent actually

silk marsh
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well you can always start with an aspect though

latent moon
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Or more realistically I guess like 55ish

silk marsh
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theres no rng to get it

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just not being able to win fast enough because bad boon rng is all ive seen that removes player agency

rustic vale
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Ap and ri removes more player agency

latent moon
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Bad boon rng comes from approval process

rustic vale
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Than

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td

latent moon
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Which is the issue not tight deadline

silk marsh
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I DIDNT EVEN SAY ANYTHING

silk marsh
latent moon
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But also it's not bad boon rng that makes clearing hard

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There's also enemy and room rng

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BP rng

rustic vale
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You go from 3 -> 2 -> 1

silk marsh
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yeah thats possible

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but i think thats just dumb as heck

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i think thats just dev braincell diff ngl

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but i can just win slower with it

latent moon
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I mean the devs didn't get expect players to actually go past like 40

silk marsh
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thats even worse

latent moon
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Not sure they expected the game to do so well either tbh lmfao

silk marsh
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Thats not good enough for me but whatever

silk marsh
rustic vale
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RI removes your mirror slowly

latent moon
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The point of giving so many pact options and such a high end total was that 32 is the highest in game reward to exist

silk marsh
latent moon
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So they wanted to give the player different options for 32 heat

rustic vale
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Losing rerolls is also agency loss imo

latent moon
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Bc the average player should be able to clear 32 with whatever they want basically

silk marsh
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im not insistent on beating as high heat as i can

latent moon
silk marsh
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i jsut figured the grind for reasources would take 5 ever

silk marsh
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some people dont

latent moon
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Oh no it's not that bad

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Unless you do resource director

silk marsh
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ill do anything that doesnt require me to have rng on my side

latent moon
silk marsh
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time is the only thing that makes runs rng dependant

latent moon
silk marsh
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exactly

latent moon
silk marsh
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but if i rizz all the baddies and befriend all the homies by thne

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ill probably just move to hades 2

silk marsh
latent moon
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With enough skill tight deadline is very rarely an issue

rustic vale
silk marsh
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room rng doesnt create a problem

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its just annoying

rustic vale
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You can get some really horribly ely rooms

latent moon
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Up at 50 heat there isn't much left to take

silk marsh
latent moon
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Except routine inspection and em4 basically

rustic vale
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horrid horrid between js3 fo2 hl5 bp2 lc4 where it’s like high oh I’m getting killed by archers I can’t even

latent moon
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Get the boons you want

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That's literally it

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Approval process makes tight deadline the issue

silk marsh
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well i mean well see at teh end of the day

rustic vale
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You can do a lot in your power to control your build

latent moon
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And you can even take approval process 1 and still be super fine

silk marsh
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if i make it to everything except the time modifier and i win

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ill probably just try it to try it

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but i nkow that even if i play perfectly i might just not have the dmg to win fast enough

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and thats ok

latent moon
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Very unlikely considering routine inspection exists

silk marsh
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cause i didnt make amistake

latent moon
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If you wanna put in like a thousand hours on a single aspect to do that

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Unironically like

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Just use tight deadline too lmfao

indigo badge
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cursed slash 59 heat run

silk marsh
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fear not the man who has practice 10,000 kicks one time. Fear the man who has practice 1 kick 10,000 times

latent moon
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Mysterra and Bai moment

silk marsh
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btw

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i was looking online for hades content

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whos the blondie

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with green skin

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lots of art of her

latent moon
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But also like every prolific heat runner is insane lmao

latent moon
silk marsh
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the green girl

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idk her name

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she barefoot too i guess

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shes got the laurel

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and the diff colored eyes

latent moon
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Oh

rustic vale
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yhhh

latent moon
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That's hades 2 character lmao

indigo badge
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melinoe is not green

rustic vale
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Melinoe?

silk marsh
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ahhh damnit

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i did it agian

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oh well

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art was good

latent moon
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I mean she's front and center on the banner of this server

silk marsh
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like? idk

silk marsh
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dont worry about it

indigo badge
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her skin is white

silk marsh
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sorry?

indigo badge
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dude I'm not reprimanding you she's just not green 😂

silk marsh
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people seemed to know who i was talkjing about so

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THE LAST FIGHT

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TEN MINUTES

latent moon
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Well it wasn't bc of the green part

silk marsh
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I HAVENT EVEN STRATED IT

rustic vale
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Well yeah you did a lot of describing

silk marsh
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THERES TEN MINUTES LEFT OF THE RUN

latent moon
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It was bc you said different colored eyes and laurel

rustic vale
silk marsh
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okay

rustic vale
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tbf

silk marsh
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didnt even start hades and ten inutes left

latent moon
silk marsh
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yeah just beat all of styx and heades in 7 minutes

silk marsh
rustic vale
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Mmm

latent moon
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I meant like overall run

rustic vale
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Hades can heal himself in em4

latent moon
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Or just link it lmao

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More interested in who's doing the run lmao

silk marsh
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you had youre chance

rustic vale
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Eh

silk marsh
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you made me do it the hard way

rustic vale
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You have proven that you do not care

silk marsh
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and now im watching them

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MINI BOSSES

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dang

rustic vale
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I only spoiled like 1 of 20 billion changes from em4

silk marsh
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homing ice lazers seesm kinda op

latent moon
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Can you link the video you're watching

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Very curious about why the last fight isb10 mins lol

old bluff
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Meme beams lmao

latent moon
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Oh that'll do it actually

rustic vale
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Me when I want to do 0 damage

silk marsh
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"wtf is he doing? IS HE HEALING"
-this guy

indigo badge
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that was a fast p1 for meme beams

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did you skip ahead

silk marsh
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i only watching bosses

rustic vale
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you get to watch someone elses first time em4 lmao

silk marsh
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i just want to fcking see what the BOSSES DO

indigo badge
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i was spoiled on the em fights so i avoided h2 spoilers until i could see all the enhanced bossfights by myself, man it was so worth it

silk marsh
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blindness is very cool

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just not seeing whats gong on

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yeah alot of those modifiers dont seem that bad

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i thought they were all gonna be crazy but they dont really add that much

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it is just harder but its not as bad as i thought

indigo badge
silk marsh
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cant post links to the video

silk marsh
rustic vale
indigo badge
silk marsh
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when you mash ctrl v to paste a link

rustic vale
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Sending links is fine as long as you don’t send more than one in rapid sucession

silk marsh
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well i cant

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so

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im trying

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right now

latent moon
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Did you actually copy it

silk marsh
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yeah

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just tried again

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ctrl c

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ctrl v

indigo badge
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use your mouse instead

silk marsh
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okay yeah mouse works

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for some reason

latent moon
silk marsh
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easy

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okay im rage baiting alittle

latent moon
silk marsh
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but just gotta practive

silk marsh
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i didnt need to

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i just wanted ot watch boss

latent moon
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Yeah ik that info was more for me

silk marsh
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furies still only have one health bar

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freelo

indigo badge
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yeah 10 heat of just em4 is absurdly easy

silk marsh
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the islands are huge

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freelo

latent moon
silk marsh
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i just figured id need ot get to 50 heat

latent moon
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Em4 isn't necessary for story

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You also don't need it for 50

silk marsh
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i aint got nothing to prove, i know i can beat it if i practice

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so if i dont need ot go that far i wont

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just be friends with everyone

latent moon
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It's probably like

silk marsh
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and max out heart

latent moon
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Better if you learn em4 for 50

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I just didn't want to put in the time

silk marsh
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32 heat seems to be the highest

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so fck it

latent moon
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Highest for in game reward yes

silk marsh
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thats all i need

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i know i can win if i just grind away at it

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if its possible i can

latent moon
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(to which tight deadline is super manageable btw)

silk marsh
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but i got other games to enjoy

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things that will reward me constantly for being the man iam

rustic vale
silk marsh
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i just said i wouldnt put on time

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cause that adds rng with everything else

rustic vale
#

what

silk marsh
#

so i was NEVER gonna add it

latent moon
#

It really doesn't for 32 heat

silk marsh
#

well then even easier

rustic vale
#

It really doesn’t unless you’re actively making bad builds

latent moon
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It's like the other free heat unironically

silk marsh
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i dont need handouts either

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ill win

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if its possible ill win

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slowly

latent moon
#

Then don't take extreme measures if you're calling it freelo lol

silk marsh
#

with lots of loss and practice

rustic vale
#

I mean atp just run the hardest 32 heat pact possible cuz everything else is too easy

latent moon
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If you want your 32 heat the hard way I've got a pact for you

silk marsh
#

if i need good boons t win fast enough

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my skill is irrelevant

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if i can get bad boons and just be good enough to not die

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ill win with any other modifiers eventually

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slowly

latent moon
#

You don't need good boons to beat the time

rustic vale
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When the “I need good boons” in question is like you can literally just put something that makes sense on your weapon

silk marsh
#

i was lead to beleive that with every modifier on id need rng on boons wo tin

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to win on time

latent moon
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But you're also not going that high

rustic vale
indigo badge
rustic vale
#

you don’t have to turn on any of the ones that make rng a problem

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Js, cp, dc are all avoidable

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Ri and ap are avoidable

silk marsh
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the only one that adds rng is time

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and thats apparently only if you add a bunch

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ill win

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ill be fine

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i promise

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thanks though for the help

indigo badge
#

ok @rustic vale it's ragebaiting

silk marsh
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ill be back for more

indigo badge
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don't take it

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

its rage bait because its rage bait

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its fine

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ive heard people say it before

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its rage bait cause you disagree

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the classic

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i wasnt really trying to get off on the wrong foot with yall so nvm

latent moon
silk marsh
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i just know what i like and what i can do

latent moon
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Use this paxt

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Take off uh

silk marsh
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itll be time

latent moon
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Underworld customs for 32

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Oh perfect

silk marsh
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unfortunately i have to progress slowly to get ambrosia and stuff

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so ill get there one heat at a time

latent moon
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Take off the 6 heat from time and out it into lasting consequences 4 and hard labor 2

silk marsh
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plus i want to add one game modifier at a time

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boss additions change how the fights work

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elite enemies with perks

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change how they fight

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more enemies doesnt change, health dmg, wtc

rustic vale
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You can probably turn on em1 and em2 at the same time

silk marsh
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i am

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im on heat 3

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so i just added em 2

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thats what started all this

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is i asked and everyone said "i dont wanna tell you:"

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guess what

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found out anywya

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thanks google

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alright lunch is over

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ill be back when i beat heat 3

latent moon
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Oh you're only on heat 3

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That explains why you don't like time lmao

silk marsh
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I'd already have jumped to fifteenish if I didn't have to grind these ambrosias.

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And it's not like jumping there will give me all the previous rewards.

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So I utilize the progression as a way to slowly add modifiers and learn each challenge individually.... Almost kinda feels like that's what they intended but hey what do I know right?

latent moon
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You could just jump anyways lmao

silk marsh
#

But then I don't get bounties

latent moon
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I know some people who did 4 to 8 to 16 to 32

silk marsh
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But I want bounties

latent moon
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Yeah that's fine lmao

silk marsh
#

Ambrosia for the homies. And ambrosia for the baddies.

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I already have the lvl 5 stigian sword almost so I don't think I need more titans blood.

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But I heard each person takes ten ambrosia to level up affinity

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So I'm just slogging away.

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Or more that's how the wiki made it look but maybe it means 4 and it's saying I need 1, 2, 3, and 4 total

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Not 1 for the first level, 2 for the next, 3 for the next. Idk

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That's what I'm here for, to find that stuff out.

latent moon
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Everyone else is like 1

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It takes 10 ambrosia to max out companions

silk marsh
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Oh that's probably what it means then

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Well then that's what I'm grinding the ambrosia for

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I don't have any companions yet. I heard you get them from maxing relationship so I'm doing that right now

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I've maxed Hermes I think

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I'm gonna max ares after 10k

mint coral
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Dusa in specific takes 10 ambrosia to max

silk marsh
#

I'm maxing Dusa currently

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And she will keep it

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Because the whole reason I'm farming is for the homies and the baddies. Me taking it back just makes it a half gift and I'm not lame like that.

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She can keep it. It's for her.

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Then after that idk. Poseidon and Athena I guess.

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Oh wait. Achilles too

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Achilles is a bro

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To bad I can't romance him

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Smh my head irl in real life

cloud ibex
#

Can I get Titan Blood just by raising Punishment and beating only the first-floor boss again?

indigo badge
#

you can also go all the way through and enjoy the run

mint coral
#

You need to claim all bounties in 1 heat for higher heat to refresh the bounties

mint coral
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So
Heat 1 > claim blood from boss 1 > die.
Puts on heat 2 > boss 1 will only drop darkness > boss 2 will give you the diamond of heat 1 and so on.

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There's one exception if you haven't cleared a weapon without the pact, it lets you get the bounties from heat 1 anyways

indigo badge
#

genuinely no idea what i was thinking there

mint coral
indigo badge
#

I'm sleepy af man

lavish sorrel
#

"i overthink, therefore i over am" - pizzapepperoni

old bluff
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I hate Alecto

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I will give no further context

silk marsh
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Alecto is the best one though

old bluff
#

In literally zero context aside from personal preference is Alecto the best one

silk marsh
#

Alecto got me thinking I'm in the second circle AWOOOOOOOO

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Have you heard the way she speaks?

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You heard what she's saying?

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Y'all just ain't on my level

lavish sorrel
#

basically all of the characters are written to appeal to someone, yes

silk marsh
#

Yeah they all have charm of course

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Pain's the name of the game.

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Strong survive and the weak will fall

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Ain't nothing I ain't felt before

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But I think Dusa is cool

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I think Achilles is cool. Ares is cool

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Hypnos. That dudes a vibe

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I could hang out for hours with that dude

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I also seen some pretty good art of him

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Amongst my searching yesterday

silver wren
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i just saw someone playing Hades and they summon Cerberus? i did not know you can do that, unless its a mod

mint coral
#

Well if zag summoned him that's a mod

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Otherwise have you used extreme measures

silver wren
#

Well yes

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Wait what level of extreme measures?

gray apex
#

4

silk marsh
#

Does Hades phase out to teleport or does he just turn invisible?

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I'm led to believe he just turns invisible

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Can you still hit him?

serene sparrow
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Idk if you can hit him
It’s he goes dark
But he is still there so any effects stay i think

mint coral
#

he also clears any status effect you had on him

serene sparrow
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Oh I was wrong

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Oops sorry

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I’m pretty sure some things stay
Like I think you can see it at the top

sweet compass
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is there a reliable way to get thanatos to spawn? i’m struggling lol

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i can’t get his heart unlocked

mint coral
still pewter
silk marsh
mellow plinth
sweet compass
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ok i saw him and we talked at the house but he disappeared and didn’t say anything about the favor

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i’ve gotten the credits and all

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so am i doing smth wrong?

mint coral
#

is just Than being Than

cloud ibex
#

Isn't there a way to safely go back home without resorting to suicide?

mint coral
#

pressing give up reverts the save back to before the run

cloud ibex
#

Is there a way to save my progress and go back?

mint coral
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die lol

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or win, which kills you

cloud ibex
#

Using nectar to progress the story, but having to die every time is getting tedious.

silk marsh
#

You could get more later in the run

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Just play it out

sweet compass
mint coral
#

yeah pretty sure his favor doesn't have specific pre reqs

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is just dialogue

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which would be fine if Than spawns weren't like that

silk marsh
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BROOOOO

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i was trying out ice punch from demeter

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and i got the thing for blowing up at 10 stacks

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im cooking

silk marsh
#

did not end well, got to second phase hades and i got crit for 65 dmg and that one shot me from whatever health i was at

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it was close though

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better luck next time

sweet compass
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i heard that getting damaged a lot makes thanatos appear, is that not true

mint coral
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nope

crisp ember
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How do you make thanatos appear though? I've been to Elysium multiple times, still no appearance

old bluff
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It’s random

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He can appear in most chambers but not all

crisp ember
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Welp, I've been really unlucky

old bluff
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The chamber counts are 11-12 in tart, 18-22 in aspho, and 29-34 in Ely

mint coral
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do survival rooms go before than

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aka should you play td for slightly better odds in tart sometimes lol

old bluff
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Yes

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They roll first

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It’s like how chaos rolls before Erebus in c1

raw ravine
#

Been playing with the bow for a few days now, the damage is insane

sweet compass
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ok now than is never at the house even when i encounter him in my run. love it here

rustic vale
mellow plinth
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How do I progress Nyxs and Chaos's story? I already maxxed both of them out with nectar

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do I just wait now?

amber crest
mellow plinth
amber crest
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Idk then

mellow plinth
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I even tried wearing Nyxs night veil in the room

amber crest
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It’s been a while since I last checked

mellow plinth
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that was the only thing that sparked a little bit of dialogue about nyx

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I want to complete the story for the aspect of chaos on the shield

sweet compass
#

it is quite annoying that thanatos doesn’t have a 100% chance of being at the house after you encounter him

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bc i have encountered him three times now and haven’t seen him at the house each time

silk marsh
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got heat 3 down

cloud ibex
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boss reward amount change to punishment rank?

amber crest
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Nope

cloud ibex
#

tnaks

cloud ibex
#

Most efficient and fastest way to farm Currency?

autumn jewel
cloud ibex
#

I need so many gems...

cloud ibex
#

The Poseidon boon that instantly gives a random treasure seems like it can be picked multiple times.

autumn jewel
astral python
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pretty much all of the prophecies pertaining to character bonds are hidden even though i meet all the criteria

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is my file glitched or something

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

Onto heat four

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Although I ain't gonna lie I need a lot of gemstones to get the lounge upgrades

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One of them is like 250 and I'm sure there's more to unlock that cost more.

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Definitely one of the A u g h moments in history

autumn jewel
stoic verge
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Hey guys newbie here
Do i need to beat hades to unlock the hidden aspect ?
Because i reached him and i still got nothing (i unlocked fated list)

rustic vale
stoic verge
# rustic vale No

Weird cuz i just fought hades and died and i cant do anything except equip weapons

rustic vale
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You have to have at least fought him once but every other condition for it is seperate

rustic vale
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You kind of need to have aspects unlocked before you can get the hidden aspects

stoic verge
rustic vale
#

You just need to have all the waapons and do a run

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There’s a skelly dialogue but I don’t think it’s necessary

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iirc

stoic verge
rustic vale
#

Nah

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You can just die

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whenever

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the important part is that you’re re-entering the house of Hades

stoic verge
#

Okey thanks 🙏🏽

cloud ibex
autumn jewel
#

does seeking fire work with hestia?

north onyx
rustic vale
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Seeking fire

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is a rail hammer

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And hestia is a rail

rustic vale
north onyx
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oh mb

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XD

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i thought hestia was hades 2

rustic vale
north onyx
#

nw

autumn jewel
silk marsh
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It's friday

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That means chicken enchiladas for lunch

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should i do a run?

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im not sure if ill have time

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i won heat 3 and i didnt even have my main keep sake

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which means i beat em2 btw

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without a keepsake

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not to brag

silk marsh
#

So flat DMG is the way to go on the fists right?

#

The main attack anyway

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

So like zues punches

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Is there any other flat bonuses for main attack? (Outside of the Daedalus)

#

Does percentage become better or perhaps even better than flat dmg if you use the hammer to switch to the slower three hit combo?

solid ledge
#

Played Hades today for the first time what a game

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Defeated megera on my 6th run
Shield is my best friend

rustic vale
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Not really

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It doesn’t affect your dash-strikes at all

rustic vale
#

but doom is pretty reliant on Merciful End

silk marsh
silk marsh
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Hangover sounds better if you're doing like bow hit and run strats

solid ledge
#

Paused the game after defeating megera gonna continue tmr

silk marsh
#

Why start it then?

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FUUUU-

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Okay

solid ledge
rustic vale
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It’s the Athena/Ares duos that lets your doom instantly drop when you hit a foe that has doom with a deflect ability

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so the general build is ares strike -> athena flourish (just to get the duo) and then divine dash so you can dash-strike into enemies

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apply doom and hit with deflect at the same time

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It’s one of the strongest builds for fists and sword but it’s way less consistent than regular builds

latent moon
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It's just really consistent for builds that want a flat damage attack because of linear pom scaling damage

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Great for high heat bc of consistency

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But the damage is a bit lacking compared to like Zeus, so many prefer to just roll with rng and play Zeus and try to get jolted

cloud ibex
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I think the Athena/Ares duo is the most powerful boon, and getting this boon is the best strategy no matter what weapon use.

old bluff
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I wont go quite so far, but it is really good on most weapons

gray apex
#

You'll learn about casts one day

silk marsh
silk marsh
latent moon
#

It's ever half second tbf

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So it's doubled technically

#

Call has a pretty large number

silk marsh
#

Small number is small. Big brain need big number

latent moon
#

I think base is like 26 and the first pom does a lot more

silk marsh
#

AOE stunning on a huge impact dmg

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Or not call

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Cast

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Nvm

latent moon
#

But like normal Dio attack/special isn't good, it's just consistent

latent moon
silk marsh
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Never used it

latent moon
#

It's only competition is zeus

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Zeus is better for.speed, Dio is better for heat

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But like both are still good for either

silk marsh
#

I like calls that make me not take dmg

latent moon
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Dio just has more range

silk marsh
#

I use them as counter strikes

latent moon
#

Don't need to avoid damage if they're dead :)

silk marsh
#

Eh the 1k DMG I get per Poseidon call plus being invincible does enough for me

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I mean I'm sure Zeus is good too I just like not dying because not dying means I cant lose

latent moon
#

Dio call is gonna do more than pos call, esp since it's aoe

silk marsh
#

Bosses are all I need calls for

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After getting the hang of the game I never feel threatened by base enemies

#

Sometimes you a classic rogue like McGangbang but outside of that I don't usually get hit often, if at all

#

Bosses do hit me

#

And it hurts

#

I mentioned yesterday about a run being ended by being smoked for like 65 DMG on a single hit from hades

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That's why I like being invincible

latent moon
#

If you kill them they can't hit you :)

silk marsh
#

Agreed

#

It's just more accessible to find a single anything or two that says I can't take DMG vs a combination of boons that allow me to deal a good chunk of dmg

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Like any calls that makes me impervious, dodge chance, Athena dash.

#

Any of that vs a full optimal DMG build gift by rng... Consistency feels better

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Plus it seems I don't know what good DMG numbers are yet so not dying is just alot safer for ke

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Point being I need to not be touchable in bosses

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The rest is doable

latent moon
#

The rng required to get Dio call is the same as Athena call lmao

#

The only requirement is to just not have another hangover source but that's super easy to do

#

And dodge chance is also rng

#

Also would like to note that the "rng" to get a good meta build is extremely easy

#

Especially considering vast majority is just like 2 boons

#

Sometimes 3

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With no duos most of the time

#

And would like to note that it's possible to get the duo you want in a run like 90% of the time or something

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Someone did 50 runs in a row and didn't get the duo he wanted like maybe 4 times

#

It's super consistent to actually get the build you want

silk marsh
#

So hence forth if someone says anything about good damage I assume there's a boon gathering process.

latent moon
#

Well yeah the "boon gathering" is a part of every build

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Bc you gotta get them

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You only need like 2-3 boons for good damage, which you're probably doing anyways with your scuffed builds

silk marsh
#

I do things that don't let me take DMG as priority

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And then I worry about dmg

latent moon
#

Valid but I will say that in this game, a lot of builds priorize damage over safety much more

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There's a decent amount of defensive tools and playstyles, but the damage potential in the game is so high and easy to get most of the time that playing defensively is less useful

amber crest
#

Can’t die if the enemy’s dead

latent moon
#

Especially since defensive/slow play opens the player to more mistakes over the course of the run

amber crest
#

Like “defence” in this game usually means mobility

latent moon
#

Also considering some attacks can go through shield block lmfao

#

Which is extremely funny when it doesn't happen to you

amber crest
#

Darn aoe

latent moon
#

No it's not aoe

#

It's more like

#

Spear jabs from enemies just have a long hitbox or something

#

So sometimes it just goes through if they're standing close enough to you

#

But like generally you want defensive tools, not defensive builds

#

Like Athena call/dash is good, some invincibility call maybe

#

But otherwise you'd rather just have clean play with good dps

#

It's quite telling that the best zag shield build uses charged shot, which kinda nukes the defensive play of bull rush

#

Even in high heat you want cshot

lavish sorrel
latent moon
#

Beo doesn't take cshot at high heat for more defensive play (and also relevant bugs)

#

Oh yeah that too lmao

#

It's been a while

amber crest
#

Merciful End with both safety and broken damage shadesmile

latent moon
#

Lmao true

#

ME privileges

amber crest
#

LANGUAGE

latent moon
#

Oh rip dyno

silk marsh
#

AHHHHH

latent moon
#

Lmao unfortunate

silk marsh
#

I don't even know what I said

#

I'll just die

#

I want to play my way

#

There you go

latent moon
#

Sure go ahead lmao

silk marsh
#

You're caught up.

latent moon
#

Can't stop you

silk marsh
#

"but that's not"

amber crest
silk marsh
#

SHUT THE FU-

#

Slicks back hair.

#

I will play I wish

#

You get it now?

amber crest
#

We’re not gonna tell you you’re having fun wrong

#

You do you bud

silk marsh
#

Well people keep suggesting the "their dead so I can't take DMG" logic

#

And I don't understand why not dying is not also a valid gameplan

latent moon
#

It is valid it's just not as good comparably

silk marsh
#

You play DMG. You could one shot them. Or you could get ran on by a gang of units and almost die.

I'll just not have that happen and hit them twice.

#

Like I don't understand how that's not an equally compatible strat

amber crest
#

Well

#

Tight deadline

latent moon
#

It's not equal bc it's a longer time to kill

silk marsh
#

And that's why I will never play with that modifier

latent moon
#

Longer times to kill correlate to more possible mistakes

silk marsh
#

Because it makes it not fun

latent moon
#

I wasn't even gonna talk about tight deadline lmao

amber crest
#

Also speedrunning

latent moon
#

Or speedrunning

silk marsh
#

And if we both get really good builds. I need to make 10 mistakes and you... Still only need to make two

latent moon
#

Not really tbh we get the same amount of hp basically

silk marsh
#

Yeah but if someone had dio call

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Vs Athena or poseidon

latent moon
#

You still have a longer time to kill that opens you to more mistakes, not to mention that all calls also have iframes

#

Having a call is already a defensive tool when used properly

silk marsh
#

Mine is always a defensive tool noatter what if I can help it

amber crest
silk marsh
#

Because it can be

#

Sometimes

#

But not against everything

amber crest
#

Like I’m not gonna tell you how to play the game, just curious

silk marsh
#

Like Dio will not stop a boss from bailing you

#

Dio call

latent moon
#

Also more dps builds doesn't mean you die from less mistakes, it just makes a shorter fight

silk marsh
#

I figured

latent moon
#

I don't see how that's correlated bc it's not necessarily a more aggressive play style

silk marsh
#

But it's riskier I herently

amber crest
#

For me, I think about this way: you can increase your damage more than you can reduce your damage

latent moon
amber crest
#

A LOT more

latent moon
#

You can still play it defensively

amber crest
#

What I have a question: what do you correlate as a “defensive” build

silk marsh
#

Yeah I get that but why would you load up on DMG then spend time dodging or deflecting

#

Seems like a conflict of interest

#

Not that it's not valid

amber crest
#

Because dodging increases damage

#

Dash strikes are inherently good for dps

silk marsh
#

I mean I don't think DMG is good. It just feels like playing to protect yourself is a lot easier to get. Almost everyone has stuff that heals or protects you in one or two ways.

amber crest
#

And putting in one dash instead of a dash strike is negligible

silk marsh
#

I do both

#

That's the plan

amber crest
#

That’s good

#

So do we

silk marsh
#

But

#

If I fck it up

#

I dont eat

#

Sht

amber crest
#

Same with defence

#

Like

#

Damage reduction is a lot harder to build

silk marsh
#

And I get the preference of pace vs safety

amber crest
#

It’s not that much less damage

silk marsh
#

It just feels like people think it's less effective.

amber crest
latent moon
amber crest
#

To get used to the heat

#

And then even for clearing it

silk marsh
#

And I don't get how you can confidently proclaim it's objectively better when the goals are different

latent moon
silk marsh
#

Like that guy just said

#

"better" this ain't about better

amber crest