#h1-discussion

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rustic vale
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wait I read this wrong

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no

latent moon
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zag has 62 i believe?

rustic vale
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zag shield has a 62

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beo does not

latent moon
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yeah

rustic vale
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my b I cannot read

latent moon
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but quite literally, i dont think anyone is trying for a different aspect for 64 heat

rustic vale
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if you put 1 billion cherries on typewriters eventually we'd see gilga complete 64 trust

naive flicker
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and whats the worst aspect in terms of het

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heat

rustic vale
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worst aspect uh I wanna say talos or zag sword

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maybe gilga

naive flicker
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i saw a 50 on gilga

latent moon
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all swords and fists are off the table for 64 heat
all spears except guan yu, maybe a case for achilles but the dps is dubious
forgot zag shield actually has a chance actually so zag shield is closest theoretically
no bow except for rama
no rail except eris, maybe zag rail but dubious, luci is even more sus

rustic vale
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gilga has the lowest unmodded completion

latent moon
rustic vale
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gilga has the lowest unmodded and is tied for the lowest modded rn

naive flicker
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is 53 really the highest on gilga wow

rustic vale
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and I can't see it beating out any other aspect tbh

latent moon
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no one wants to run gilga high heat

rustic vale
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gilga do be like that

latent moon
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it might be able to go higher with dedication but no one wants to use it

naive flicker
latent moon
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cherry is the most talented gilga player, but he doesn't like high heat so he doesn't touch it

naive flicker
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idek what gilga does tbh

rustic vale
latent moon
naive flicker
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im oblivious on most aspects

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lmao

latent moon
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i remember i believe vaxon? is he the current record holder? i think he is

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he was grinding that out for a long while

naive flicker
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its just a really high skill ceiling weapon trust the process

latent moon
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angel was unironically like 45 minutes

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bai was a week

rustic vale
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how long has pseudotech been a thing

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or when was it discovered

latent moon
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prob like a year and a half?

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maybe 2

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12/16/23

rustic vale
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it doesn't look like it's been used to push up zag or hera then\

latent moon
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first official post about it

rustic vale
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both zag and heras last modded pbs were in 2022

latent moon
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idk what the meta is for hera heat but i dont think pseudo tech is the problem with it lmao

rustic vale
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tizomg let me dream

latent moon
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i can see it working for zag bow

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last i heard, hera is like worse zag bow so maybe i guess

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but not really keen aspects people want to push lmao

rustic vale
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we could push zag bow high heat higher w/ pseudotech tizomg I just need to become the next Timothy

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Shacklothy if you will

naive flicker
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just do it ngl

rustic vale
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yk if I just aim my sights at 21 heat higher than I've ever done before

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and learn Pseudotech

naive flicker
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believe

rustic vale
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what else do I even need

naive flicker
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gilga 64 in 2030

latent moon
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clocking in on my 9-5 of gilga grinding for the next 5 years

rustic vale
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gilga 64 ap2s into heroic hyper delivery w/ 16 ichors

naive flicker
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lejit

latent moon
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that would fix a lot of gilga's problems

covert flame
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i take back everything bad i said about guan yu

naive flicker
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not out of reach

latent moon
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guan yu more like goat yu

covert flame
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literally just almost beat redacted

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fr

latent moon
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guan yu somehow one of the best aspects in the game

covert flame
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still fumbled though

naive flicker
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guan yu sounded really bad when i read it so never gave it a shot

latent moon
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the issue is the fact that it's extremely hammer dependent for any real sort of damage

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it doesn't feel smooth without a hammer

rustic vale
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I feel like the thing is 64 is just a 59 but you have 80 billion more rng problems

latent moon
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yeah lmao

naive flicker
covert flame
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but centuar hearts are easy to find

latent moon
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iirc playad did 59 heat ap0 on eris first lmfao

latent moon
covert flame
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now i have to do 16 heat again for that stupid statue thing

latent moon
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it do be liek that

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tbf you dont have to use guan yu

covert flame
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yea im using demeter fists now

rustic vale
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the thing is some aspects just don't tell you that your best option is not the flashy new thing they added like a life stealing spin or a ramping damage beam

covert flame
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they're lowkey becoming my fav

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
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with like 1.5 min overtime or something i can't remember

rustic vale
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tbf what works at 64

covert flame
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im so bad at forgetting to change my keepsake

naive flicker
rustic vale
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isn't really what most players use way prior

latent moon
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oh only 30 sec overtime

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"only"

naive flicker
rustic vale
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64 heat builds end up really condensed because the only ones that work are the ones that can still operate within the bounds of really low rng dependency with a really high skill player

latent moon
covert flame
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its never letting me give nectar to than just let me romance him brroo

rustic vale
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can't you only give him nectar out of run

latent moon
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they both need 2 good hammers

rustic vale
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mmm

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true

latent moon
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rama wants a good dash iirc

covert flame
latent moon
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guan yu needs poms

rustic vale
latent moon
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well i guess not really

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guan yu needs good enemy rng lmfao

covert flame
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can orpheus just go back to eurydice alr i need him to sybau

rustic vale
latent moon
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the dps is piss poor

covert flame
rustic vale
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you're going to have to check his wiki page I do not know his off the top of my head

rustic vale
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obv it's two spin hammers but what else

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quick/massive I doubt the other 2 get used since massive is huge dps and quick is so much safety

naive flicker
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what in the fk is a non-mac catagory

latent moon
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it's the same build

rustic vale
latent moon
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the mac glitch is that when you spin with athena, it deflects all projectiles on screen

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it also happens with athena rocket bomb i think?

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or maybe rail special with just athena

naive flicker
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thats pretty good ngl

latent moon
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yeah so playad did it again without the mac glitch lmao

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king behavior tbh

covert flame
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i had demeters aid on another run and it was so bad i just gave up

rustic vale
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dang

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I

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over a call?

naive flicker
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demeter aid underrated

covert flame
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yes bro

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dunno which i like more

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aphros aid or artemis aid

rustic vale
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I don't think I've used either in like a year or two

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I maybe had arte call the other day to open a duo

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generally I avoid em like the plague

covert flame
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whats that one hammer that makes zag do like that backflip kick thing with the fists because its kinda silly

rustic vale
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rush kick I believe

covert flame
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righhtt

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thanks

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hades addiction lowk getting so bad because its all ive played for like a week and when i had to stop playing i just watched gameplays

hot bloom
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I either vastly underestimated aphro cast.. or its because it was level 7 but god dayum

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19 minutes run! I also did the most damage i have ever seen… 950 or so with 1 shot

rustic vale
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you practically have to be using a castpect for it to be ok and even then it if it’s a loading castpect you’re putting yourself in a lot of danger for the damage you’re outputting

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Also

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Poms are big on crush shot

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Huh

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Did that not imbed properly

hot bloom
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I see it

tropic lintel
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Rainbow go brrr

hot bloom
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I did it on uhh.. i was using the bow, zagreus aspect

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I wanted to try it and got it right away cause rng gave me nothing else

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Then persephone keepsake took hold

covert flame
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why am i so buns tday

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i just died to redacted

amber crest
covert flame
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ohh

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mb

stiff obsidian
latent moon
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lmfao

latent moon
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you'll go much faster lmao

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why run up to them to hit them with a cast when you can hit them with a cast at range

raven flume
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Does anyone know any good way to make Thanatos spawn more?

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I’ve been trying to get him to spawn so I can do his dialogue for hypnos quest but I’ve only managed to get him to spawn twice over like 3 days

latent moon
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just rng unfortunately

raven flume
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Damn so my luck is just buns then ☹️

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I saw some ppl say if u fight at low health or take 30 damage 3 chambers in a row or smtg like that he’ll be more likely to spawn but idk maybe they were just lying 💀

rustic vale
autumn jewel
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is than guaranteed in a run?

rustic vale
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Nope

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If only

raven flume
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I wish

autumn jewel
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if only

raven flume
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it’s so weird cuz he used to pop up so frequently for me too

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Like almost every run

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And now he never does

autumn jewel
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also which chamber can he start appearing

raven flume
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His first appearance is in elysium

autumn jewel
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no I mean can you get him at chamber 2 or something

raven flume
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Oh

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Well I’ve gotten him in Tartarus before but I’m not sure which exact chamber he can start appearing

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I would guess somewhere around 4-6

autumn jewel
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alr thanks

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imagine chamber 1 thanatos

raven flume
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One could only dream 💀

rustic vale
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c1 than would suck

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than you for um

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2 seconds of timesave

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I suppose

latent moon
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nah if anything he makes it take longer

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bc you get boon at the start of the chamber so you can't stay in menu while he drops the heart

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so you have to wait for him to drop the heart while the timer is running

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your only hope would be if there's a fish near the end of the chamber, which i'm pretty sure there isn't?

rustic vale
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Fish can only be on that platform at the start for c1

rustic vale
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ez

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there are no laws against codex teching my far from optimal pbs batman tizomg

autumn jewel
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everything is fair game if you don't submit to leaderboards

raven flume
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Do you have to do the epilogue before you can max out your bond with Hypnos?

autumn jewel
rustic vale
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I don’t thinknso

autumn jewel
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my hypnos luck is crazy

amber crest
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You have to reach the credits

raven flume
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Bruh I just wanna get this stupid man bonded 💀

amber crest
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Not the epilogue

rustic vale
latent moon
raven flume
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The last progress of dialogue I got was zag told Thanatos he’s too mean to Hypnos ☹️

latent moon
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it's unfun to play and watch so they banned it lol

rustic vale
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codex tech has more use than just movement thou

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the next rooms room rewards can pop up while you’re looking at your codex

autumn jewel
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ouch that's a thing?

rustic vale
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Than can drop his heart and leave while you’re looking st the codex

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and I think that’s a bigger issue for speedrunning than pure movement because while movement is uber annoying that’s reasonably something you could slip in for a sizeable time gain

latent moon
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i mean sure but it's also just easier to ban it as a whole

rustic vale
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yeah

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Ez ban it as a whole

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Sometimes I wish there was somehow a guaranteed survival room or than

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I think it’d be kinda hard to do to my understand of how the seeds work

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esp cuz chaos and erebus exist

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🙏 it’d also be nice if Than started showing up in ely more often

rustic vale
primal compass
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What are some good Hades youtubers to listen to while I do a run

rustic vale
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It’s mostly Haelian for good Hades content creators the rest are either dubious at best or way smaller speedrunning/heat channels used to post videos for speedrun.com or the heat leaderboards

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I know a few speedrunners stream but I don’t tune in often enough to have solid recommendations 😔

rustic vale
amber crest
rustic vale
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God forbid a man use words longer than 6 letters 😔

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I love the drop in literacy bc wdym I used the word “infallible” while talking to my coworkers the other day and neither of them had heard of the word

amber crest
rustic vale
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Nugget first

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😁

raven flume
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I hate this Mf Thanatos

autumn jewel
wild cobalt
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does the game characters looks blurry to you?

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hades 2 very clear

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like the characters. Very noticeable with hydra death animation

tepid plover
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No?

wild cobalt
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Not even with the death animation?

tepid plover
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No

wild cobalt
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for example

tepid plover
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Looks fine to me

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I don't know what's going on

wild cobalt
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LUL

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Dead ass?

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Wait let me take another pic for comparison

amber crest
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That looks fine. Btw don’t send hades 2 photos

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They’re spoilers

wild cobalt
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Chair on the far right

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CLEAR

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3D characters like hades in this pic

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Blurry

amber crest
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Idk man it’s really minimal

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Plus the characters have more complex models that sometimes move

tepid plover
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And yeah looks fine to me as well

amber crest
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It ain’t an obsession it’s a rule

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Even if it doesn’t bother us, some people might not want it

tepid plover
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No, you're always shoving people to the new players channel even when they havent said anything 🤣

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Funyn af

amber crest
tepid plover
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Yeah but like, you should ask if they care about spoilers, instead of just sending them there for no reason 😭, idk i laugh everytime

amber crest
tepid plover
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Whatever, I miss stickybot frfr

amber crest
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Me too

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Well I think I do

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Idk if I’ve been here long enough

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So maybe i don’t

autumn panther
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Please when will mobile hades be back iOS in particular

amber crest
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Ummm sorry idk

autumn panther
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What a shame supergiant and Netflix just ruined a very good thing 😡

tepid plover
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More like Netflix

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I don't think supergiant has much to do with it

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Im not sure they were even in charge of the development, they just lend the ip

autumn panther
tepid plover
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Idk bruh, mobile is a niche platform, too much work for very little return. Netflix handled pretty much everything which is why they get to screw people

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Isn't dead cells also part of a netflix deal?

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I swear I saw it pop up

tepid plover
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I thought it was iPhone only

autumn panther
autumn panther
tepid plover
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I see

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Idk, wrong place to complain about it tho, this is all netflix

autumn panther
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Supergiants are not interested in the mobile niche I guess ☹️

tepid plover
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They haven't ever said anything about it yeah

autumn panther
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Not complaining just unfortunate to see really

tepid plover
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Its hard porting action games to mobile

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And again, too little return

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Its still a business

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Turn based yes, turn based are a bop in mobile, but action games, ehh

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Controls are awful

autumn panther
# tepid plover Its still a business

Yes it is but large studios like Ubisoft have ported pop and small game companies like the game kitchen have ported games like blasphemous even before them

tepid plover
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Isn't impossible, just not worth it

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From a business point, you have to spend money and resources adapting the game to the mobile engine, money you probably won't get back

autumn panther
tepid plover
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i doubt it, audience wasnt the problem, hades has a huge audience, its one of the biggest roguelikes out there. just not many people want to play it on their phones. hell im a huge hades simp, around 500 hrs on h1, around 200 on switch, close to 400 on h2, i have an iphone, netflix and i never touched the mobile port

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the audience was there, just not a mobile game sadly

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go back to when hades did release on iphone, who was talking about it

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no one really

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its whatever yeah sure you can play it if you want, but i was never going to be breaking

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mobile ports are mostly things that are "nice to have" but doesnt really break the market

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netflix be weird like that anyway, they be removing shows left and right

autumn panther
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I feel you are somewhat underestimating the mobile game market

tepid plover
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Maybe I am

heavy wave
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im gonna tweak out HOW HARD IS IT TO GET SECOND WAVE, I ALREADY HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED 💔

tepid plover
heavy wave
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the requirements

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i already have typhoon’s fury, tempest strike and tidal dash

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and that’s pretty much one of the requirements needed to get one of poseidon’s legendary boon

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it’s difficult for no apparent reason and i just wanna fulfill the prophecy

cinder tartan
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it's just up to rng at that point

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use the mirror upgrade to get legendary and duo boons more often

rustic vale
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at base

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if your cores aren’t filled it’ll definitely be 22%

heavy wave
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i see

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ty for telling

rustic vale
# heavy wave i see

Btw this is because as long as you have an unfilled core (strike/special/cast/dash), the game will make one of your next options a core

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So you lose one of the slots a duo/legendary could roll into

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the game also likes to prioritise status curse boons like razor shoals and static disharge and I’m like 50% it does this priority roll before rolling for duos but I can double check thanthink

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(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

-Nyaanyaa

heavy wave
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this is helpful,, i’ll try to do it tomorrow

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again, thank you! i’ll respond if it helps

rustic vale
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bur

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while paying careful attention to the other gods you add so you don’t open unnecessary duos

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The game rolls applicable duos and legendaries all at the same time, and having even 1 unnecessary duo cuts your odds of getting the one you want pop up in half

raven flume
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Me when it says comfort than and my innocent brain thought we were boutta have a homie therapy session and the screen goes black and I hear him and zag laughing

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😦

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mint coral
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This is like the 2nd person I remember accidentally dating Than

tepid plover
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Help, I accidentally banged my stepbrother

cloud ibex
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anyone recommend me a Beowulf build? Now I'm using Demeter magic.

gray apex
# cloud ibex anyone recommend me a Beowulf build? Now I'm using Demeter magic.

Start with Poseidon's keepsake and pick up his Cast, try to pom it as much as possible. You are aiming for the Mirage Shot duo so do not muddy the duo pool. Pick Artemis in Asphodel and get her Attack then take any Poseidon or Artemis you see to get the Duo. You can scale using Chaos, Hermes, or Wells of Charon. If you are comforatble in Elysium take the Hourglass keepsake and reroll wells, if not just stick to Acorn. Your best hammer is Charged Shot by far.

compact dawn
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Can anyone give me some tips for dodging the Snake Crystals in Styx?

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They give me so much grief

mint coral
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Use cover or if they are unarmored just rush them

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There's no much tips outside that

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Zeus's heaven's vengeance is really funny vs them

stiff obsidian
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they stop shooting if u hit them

compact dawn
cloud ibex
tardy geode
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Quick question is urge to kill pommable?

mint coral
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Iirc yes

cloud ibex
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If I don't pick up an Attack, Special, Dash boon early on, I stop seeing those options later, even if those slots are still empty. Is there some kind of mechanic behind this?

rustic vale
mint coral
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Is the opposite

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Yeah what shackle said lol

rustic vale
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If your attack/special/cast/dash are open, the game will force any boons you pick up to either have an exchange, or have one of those options

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If you’re rerolling a boon I don’t recall if it makes that check again when it gives you your rerolled options

latent moon
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Iirc if you have absolutely no attack, special, cast, and dash, it offers 3 cores, but if you reroll it doesn't offer all 3

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I don't remember lmao you generally always have a core

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Bc first boon

rustic vale
stone osprey
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never connecting my ipad to the internet again

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i still have hades

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i would send a photo but no service

obtuse kettle
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cloud ibex
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What affects the damage of the Beowulf aspect?
I increase Attack damage?
I increase Cast damage?
I'm confused.

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naive flicker
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cluster bomb or targeting system

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targeting system sounds busted asf

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what does it exactly mean by foes targeted by your special

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they have to get hit or just under the shadow if where it will drop

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naive flicker
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damn ok

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so its a lil less broken than i thought but ill give it a shot

latent moon
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It's still pretty good tbf

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Although cluster would've been a better pick lmao

naive flicker
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yea understandably so

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are fist hammers worth going for over good gods or maybe even poms at times

latent moon
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Depends on build and where in the run

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And which gods

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For merciful end, hammer vs Athena is Athena

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Ares if you have ME open

naive flicker
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very early like firsst hammer

latent moon
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First hammer could be asphodel lmfao but assuming like before c6 tart

naive flicker
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im just going for zeus artemis on demeter fists

naive flicker
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i did skip it for artemis

latent moon
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I'd take hammer, Artemis isn't really vital

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It's like nice

naive flicker
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really

latent moon
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But not important

naive flicker
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hmm

latent moon
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Well any big % works for the special

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Doesn't have to be Artemis

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It's pretty flexible

naive flicker
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true

latent moon
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Obv not as good but it's not like the only option

naive flicker
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havent really tried much on the special other than artemis

latent moon
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Zeus vs hammer in that situation is more dubious tho

naive flicker
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i dont actually know good builds for fists

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i just kinda get some stuff that make sense

latent moon
naive flicker
latent moon
naive flicker
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dc isnt a bad pick for fists right?

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gotta make sure im not trolling

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flying cutter rush kick or long knuckle

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this has to be the hardest choice of all time for me

latent moon
naive flicker
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yea i took that but i feel like its a bit close

latent moon
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Flying cutter can't remember what that does but the only good hammers are breaching cross and long knuckle basically

naive flicker
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like a better player would take something else over long knuckle its just way too convenient for me

latent moon
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Nah lol

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The only other hammer would be breaching cross

naive flicker
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holding the special for more damage

latent moon
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900% armor damage kinda good

naive flicker
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flying cutter is like special hits each doing 40 i think

latent moon
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Oh yeah flying cutter kinda just not useful except for spawning enemies

naive flicker
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2special hits*

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hmm

latent moon
naive flicker
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ok alr

latent moon
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Just can't like one shot the smaller enemies with dash uppers

naive flicker
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hammers that already appeared cant show up in the next hammer i get or is that not true?

latent moon
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Not true

naive flicker
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ok

latent moon
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All are fair game except for incompatible hammers

naive flicker
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yea ofc

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also whats more worth poming the zeus strike or the jolted

visual nimbus
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When do I unlock aspects again? Restarted my save after a while of not playing and was just wondering when I can unlock a couple aspects

mint coral
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put like, 1 pom on attack if you get a pom before you find jolted

mint coral
visual nimbus
naive flicker
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almot did lc3 sd em4 fo2

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getting used to hades

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without hl5 tho

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man does the fight take long time holy sht

gray apex
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You can try HL5 FO0

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Slower fight but you better not get hit

primal compass
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I’ve seen the light, cast is a fun weapon

gray apex
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Cast too gud

primal compass
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Wow Sissyphus Euridice and Patroclus in one run

warm hawk
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Finally, I completed my first escape after only 39 attempts!!!

mint coral
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Banger

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Now again

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Enjoy the sun first

warm hawk
#

i enjoyed it all, ive mostly been wanting to get one run complete so i have the story as i want to play hades 2 but am super stubborn, just like Zagreus XD

mint coral
#

The story ain't done

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I wasn't joking with again

warm hawk
#

i know this game has so much hidden lore and stuff in it thats why i am saying im stubborn and gotta get it all done so i can get myself into hades 2, best of luck all!

naive flicker
#

with sd heros fight isnt that bad tbh

raven flume
#

Can somebody help me pls

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I’m trying to talk to Thanatos to complete my bond with Hypnos but every time I get him to appear and I try to talk to him he barely gives me any words

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The last time I just got him to appear he literally just said I can’t talk right now and left, but I’m sure I definitely need him for the Hypnos quest, what going on?

rustic vale
#

And you can only progress your relationship or get important dialogue with Than when you see him in the house of Hades

raven flume
#

Well yea but he’s saying I can’t talk rn even in house of hades

rustic vale
#

mmm

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It happens you might just be suffering from bad rng

raven flume
#

I got him to talk about being mean to Hypnos once but then he started yapping about how mortals live, Orpheus, Sisyphus, a bunch of other stuff

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And I bought royal tombs and the sleeper chair for Hypnos and I got asterius autograph for him so ig it is just rng

rustic vale
#

mhm

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😔

primal compass
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Demeter cast broken

raven flume
#

I’ve done 6-7 runs where Thanatos appeared since before and every time I talk to him in house of hades he has no exclamation mark over his head it’s always just the same words, there’s no way my luck is this bad what is going on 💀

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I tried reaching the surface cuz he kept talking about mortals and the living world so I just beat the game normally to see if that would change anything and I got just got this freaky scene between zag than and meg 💀

silk marsh
#

wtf is "borrow" 300 from charon?

#

this feels like stealing moreso

cloud ibex
#

Does Hermes' attack speed increase make charged attacks faster? Or not?

amber crest
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Not on dash strikes

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But yes on still shots

rustic vale
#

So of things that charge, it would only apply to a standing bow strike, and not shield charge speed or spin charge for spear

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this is moreso due to the shield charge and spin charge not being a direct part of your standing strike combo afaik

viscid stratus
lofty gust
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whenever i give up the boons arw always the same w the same rarities

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what am
I doing wrong

gray apex
lofty gust
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ahhh

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alright thank you

ripe sleet
#

Hot take but MelGrin >zaggrin (melinoë has a cleaner design but i like zagreus interactions more) its just my opinion do you guys agree

stiff obsidian
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nah

lavish sorrel
#

We need stickybot back

tepid plover
#

isnt zag part of hades 1 tho?

lavish sorrel
tepid plover
#

weird take, but aight

stiff obsidian
outer merlin
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How is that even a take let alone a weird one

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He's just right

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Fastest discord hand in the west

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I yield

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Not worth my time

tepid plover
#

it wasnt a hades 2 discussion tho

outer merlin
#

Topics surrounding the game probably shouldn't be mentioned here as many people have not played the game that is not even out yet. That's like going to an orphanage and saying parents is better than no parents. How is anyone who specifically comes to this channel gonna know what to say to add to that?

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Kinda just common sense

tepid plover
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thats one hell of a comparison my dude, your common sense is messed up

outer merlin
#

No matter how ludicrous I could've made it the logic is still sound

tepid plover
#

i think your logic sucks, but hey zag is cooler than mel imo

outer merlin
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I don't even know who the hell mel is

tepid plover
#

unfortunate for you

outer merlin
#

Hence why hades 2 discussion should stay there

tepid plover
#

that wasnt a hades 2 discussion, since zag isnt in hades 2

stiff obsidian
#

Imo mel is ugly

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Zag also has much cooler weapons

outer merlin
#

Guess people just know what they want

stiff obsidian
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Like his clothing aswell

tepid plover
#

whos discussing hades 2 here?

outer merlin
#

You're beneath my level of understanding

tepid plover
#

thats crazy

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anyway, yeah i like zag weapons better

outer merlin
#

"Bro is talking like sephiroth rn bro"

tepid plover
astral python
#

is there any specific criteria i need to fulfill to get cerberus' bond? i pet the pup 40 something times and maxed his gauge yet no new dialogue appears

tepid plover
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play some more probably

pseudo ibex
#

I do have a question, ik that some devs still update their previous titles for slight balance changes or changing some features, do the devs plan on tweaking hades 1, like one instance being the adjustable god mode thats in hades 2

tepid plover
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Pretty sure they are done with game

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Last patch was 2022 and it was for a steamdeck bugfix

ebon hare
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Does anyone has any voicelines about hades or homer talking about elysium? Especially where the word elysium is used

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Like saved voicelines i mean (recorded?)

indigo badge
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there are plenty of voicelines from hades saying it but I don't have one just saved on my device

mint coral
pseudo ibex
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I mean, what i said is along the lines of hades 2 being done, they could go back and tweak some stuff if possible, i still think the adjustable god mode would be a great benefit to h1

naive flicker
#

another hades death down the drain i mean ngl i reached hades at 13mins so i might aswell just max out JS cuz time isnt the issue

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CP maybe an issue with js tho

silk marsh
# viscid stratus Did you do it?

no cause it had quotations around it. it seemed implied that i was stealing it, and while charon doesnt always have healing when i need it, He is a very cool person who always expresses his feelings very thoroughly

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I would never steal from Charon the bro

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i mean hes literally helping you escape at the cost of hades fury

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why would i steal from that guy

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so does anyone know what it means to "borrow" the money?

mint coral
#

he asks you to pay back

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||by violence||

silk marsh
#

how does he even ask

mint coral
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find out zaglol

silk marsh
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is taking that the only time he talks coherently

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goes full mister krabs

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cant talk but when it comes ot money hes like ||"AYO BOYO, YOU BETTER NOT BE TAKING ME MONEY ARGH ARGH ARGH IM GONNA KILL YOU NOW"||

rustic vale
#

Just do it sometime

silk marsh
#

is he upset about it?

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i dont wanna make him upset

rustic vale
#

It doesn’t have a lasting impacting on your relationship with him

silk marsh
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thank you for your honesty

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i will not be taking the money

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oops

#

whats up with al lthat stuff in styx btw

#

costs like 1500 gold

#

people really just not buying stuff all run to afford a third hermes boon?

rustic vale
#

for what its worth he does give you more than just the money if you don’t die

silk marsh
#

i just dont like how its presented

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

still crazy

rustic vale
#

hermes is expensive because third hermes is actually that valuable

mint coral
#

limited hermes and extra rarity is worth yeah

rustic vale
#

you don’t save up your money over the run really it’s easily acquirable money for the most part

silk marsh
#

what?

mint coral
#

especially if you remember selling boons

silk marsh
#

why would i sell boons?

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they help me

mint coral
#

not every boon will actually make an impact

silk marsh
#

hmm

rustic vale
#

Some don’t really matter, some get in the way of duos or other secondaries you want, and some are just better off not being there for pom consistency

mint coral
#

a few of them will hurt you when using the pomegranates even

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cuz they can take slots for boons you wanted to pom

silk marsh
#

feels weird id sell something just to maybe get something better

rustic vale
#

it’s not like

mint coral
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money is just good

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not specifically for hermes in styx

rustic vale
#

“Maybe get something better” because you also have guaranteed value in obols

silk marsh
#

money is good to buy things and you dont know what your getting

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i gues i just havent found anything that feels useless yet

rustic vale
#

Epic bronze skin is +155 obols for practically nothing nectar

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etc

silk marsh
#

epic bronze skin is like 15 percent dmg resist

rustic vale
#

even common bronze skin is just getting in the way of pom consistency

silk marsh
#

how is that nothing

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

maybe i pommed it a few times and dont remember

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its possible

rustic vale
#

Yeah it’s 10%

silk marsh
#

living longer just feels good to me

rustic vale
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I just checked

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Oh I do like living longer I just often have hyper sprint and/or weak for 30-49% dmg reduction

silk marsh
#

not dying seems like itd be the only thing worth investing in

mint coral
#

dmg reduction is multiplicative

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and there are better sources like shackle mentioned

#

that 10% is doing much less

#

something like the trap dmg reduction is also an easy sell

silk marsh
mint coral
#

outside of using that one difficulty modifier

mint coral
rustic vale
#

what aphro boon can even conflict

mint coral
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or a pom

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or not buy aphro

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or check your charon wells

rustic vale
silk marsh
# mint coral or not buy aphro

well you mentioned having weak instead of dmg reduction so i naturally assumed youd be trading one type of dmg reduction for abetter one

rustic vale
#

It’s like

silk marsh
#

and weak is from aphro

#

i mean im not very far into het progression

rustic vale
#

Most enemies aren’t dealing enough damage for 10% to do like

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anything

silk marsh
#

i died to hades on my first heat 2 run so like

rustic vale
#

you get some fun rounding

rustic vale
silk marsh
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il get to the ponit where i learn i guess, it just doesnt feel good to sell something i have for something i dont know what ill be getting

rustic vale
#

yeah

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I can see that

silk marsh
#

knowing vs not knowing kind of thinking

rustic vale
#

I didn’t really get the value of selling boons before like 32 heat and speedrunning thanthink

silk marsh
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i know what i have but if i sell it, im getting something i dont know

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but i dont diversify my playstyle a bunch

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so i already have to limit what im looking for

rustic vale
#

Mhm

silk marsh
#

i pretty much just go for anything that isnt health that makes me harder to kill

#

i usually end up picking up a few centaur hearts anyways avoid things like gems

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most of my runs i end up with about 10+ dmg resist, 50 ish dodge id assume and some way to apply weak

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

theres never a choice between hearts and gems?

rustic vale
#

You can’t make a decision at door between hearts and gems

silk marsh
#

oh

rustic vale
#

because they’re different door types

silk marsh
#

oh i see

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i just picked two random things

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sometimes theres only one door too

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so i have to pick it

rustic vale
#

everything that helps you in a run is a gold laurel, so boons/hearts/poms/obols

silk marsh
#

stuff like that

rustic vale
#

and everything that helps you out of run is a blue laurel so like gems/darkness/nectar

silk marsh
#

im just saying i usually end up picking up some hearts

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i just usually prefer boons over health

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but when i have to take a heart then i do

rustic vale
#

Understandably

silk marsh
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it doesnt feel bad i just prefer the zues ares or aphro boons

#

AND ATHENA

#

GOTTA HAVE THE ATHENA DASH

rustic vale
silk marsh
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just dont die

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and punch as hard as you can

#

DUDE THE TICKING DOOM ON WEAK TARGET DUO

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

i found that for the first time a run or two ago

#

SSTUFF seems crazy

rustic vale
#

it’s certainly one of the duos in game

silk marsh
#

i cant tell if its good or not

indigo badge
#

it's definitely a boon

silk marsh
#

cause i jsut hit every button on my keyboard as fast as i can

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but it seems good on paper

rustic vale
#

If you’re applying doom more than once every 1.1 seconds it’s obsolete

silk marsh
#

extrapolate

#

so its worse if youre rapidly applying doom?

rustic vale
#

It doesn’t do anything if you’re rapidly applying doom

#

because your new doom overrides the 50% damage doom

silk marsh
#

oh i had it on my SHORYUKEN and i had aphro punches

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

I DONT KNOW WHY YOURE CYRING CHILD

rustic vale
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because it’s certainly an idea

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aphro strike on fists

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and then curse of pain on special

silk marsh
#

why can i not paste images

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oh i cant post images

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in h1 victory boasting it should be my only post

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i won again since then but i mean

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the first one is the one that counts right?

#

but the second win had the build i was talk about

rustic vale
silk marsh
#

how do i do that

rustic vale
#

If you send it somewhere else like a dm you can right click or hold on the image and grab the image link

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or

#

you can use like imgur

silk marsh
#

FUUUUUUU

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I already posted it and tagged youi in it

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but yeah

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dodge chance goes hard ngl though

rustic vale
#

But yeah the build I saw was pretty much what I was already commenting on

silk marsh
#

just not getting hit is pretty cool

rustic vale
#

You aren’t getting dps diffed on builds until like 50+

#

sure a bunch of builds are far stronger than others but it’s not required to win for most heat levels thanthink

silk marsh
#

That's kind of bothersome

rustic vale
#

I feel like I’m using a lot of words to say what you win with at first isn’t necessarily good

silk marsh
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I mean I guess the game can only hold your hand so much

#

But losing because it would just take you forever to kill him rather than playing poorly is... One of the ways a game can be played

#

I'd be upset if hitting someone just didn't move the health ar

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Healthbar

rustic vale
#

It’s not like enemy hp bars are getting hyper inflated

silk marsh
#

What modifiers even make them more durable

#

I'm sure there's like one that ends up doubling it or something

rustic vale
#

Nope

silk marsh
#

But is there that many?

mint coral
#

Is this for benefits package

rustic vale
#

The most you can get is +30% max hp

#

but

silk marsh
#

Then why do you need all the-

#

Okay

mint coral
#

Oh pacts in general

rustic vale
#

you end up on a time limit with more and more build constraints

#

facing more enemies

silk marsh
#

Oh right the time constraint

rustic vale
#

And those enemies all eventually require two hits before you even deal damage

silk marsh
#

They need to hit me twice before dealing DMG to me too

rustic vale
#

not to mention RI removing your mirror and AP removing your choices

silk marsh
#

Cause I got dodge

#

I'll get better eventually I guess

#

It doesn't feel that bad though

#

Pretty linear attacks from most enemies

#

It will be quite the tilter if things just need good rng to kill fast enough though

#

I love when my skill has literally 0 impact

gray apex
#

You will tolerate pacts better when you get better for sure ye

rustic vale
#

Like

#

I’ve seen my fair share of questionable 40 heat pact wins

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That proves you can just use whatever (relatively) and succeed pretty far

gray apex
#

we should recreate one

rustic vale
gray apex
#

Questionable 40 heat pacts are fun

mint coral
#

Players shows worst 40 heat pact ever

#

Asked to leave the server

rustic vale
#

I think I tried to give Bananas one

silk marsh
#

Is the story even still going at that point?

rustic vale
#

not really

silk marsh
#

Not really

gray apex
#

give me one

silk marsh
#

Like it actually is somehow

rustic vale
#

at that point you’ve cleared the epliogue a long long time ago

silk marsh
#

Is it done or is basically done

rustic vale
#

and you’re getting new dialogue lines like once every 30 runs

rustic vale
rustic vale
silk marsh
#

So you're only done once you've beaten the entire game on the hardest heat?

rustic vale
#

Not really

silk marsh
#

WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO AT THAT POINT

rustic vale
#

Heat doesn’t give new dialogue lines

rustic vale
#

harder game, faster game

gray apex
#

nah the heat has nothing to do with it but by the time you progress to that you point you probably have 100+ wins so you finished the story

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Theres just lots of dialogue so you can keep seeing new lines for a while

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If you dont mash through them

rustic vale
#

It takes 152 something wins to get all your bounties even

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or

#

no 150 is to hi

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126

silk marsh
#

Well the story is what's gotten me interested. If I beat everyone's ass and there's no more talking I'll probably just mark my highest heat and call it there.

#

Move to Hades 2 and figure out what that's all about

gray apex
#

I think at some point we all thought the same but the game has lots of replayability and it's fun

#

So you might keep going

silk marsh
#

Move to Hades 2. Be mad Hades 2 doesn't have cool pugilist weapons. Be mad at Hades 2

gray apex
#

Yea then back to hades 1 for some heat

rustic vale
#

or speed tbf

#

h1 speed go brrrrr

silk marsh
#

Ha... Haha... Yeah... Something like that

gray apex
#

speed can be nice ye

silk marsh
#

I just wanna crush weaklings

#

This one has story in it

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So I'm listening

rustic vale
#

it’s lowkey like I finished the main story like 3 years ago but I keep coming back every 6 months for more speed or more heat

gray apex
#

Sometimes getting a nice build and crushing enemies is all you need

rustic vale
gray apex
#

Yea speed is basically that

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Until you get to a certain point then you might start resetting

rustic vale
#

let me blitz thru the underworld

silk marsh
#

First time I saw ares I was like "this guy is cool" he said "when you killed those guys, that was cool" and I said "that's pretty cool"

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Ares was the first one I got to max devotions

gray apex
#

cool interaction

silk marsh
#

Then Hermes and now I need to start picking others

#

Poseidon is pretty chill but Athena dash is wicked

#

I might also do vharon

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Charon

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He's a simple man. I can appreciate that

#

What's up with Meg btw

gray apex
#

too bad there is no permanent discount

silk marsh
#

Seems like she likes princes that beat her up

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Freaky ahh date

#

And speaking of dates. Is Dusa derpy looking so she's never looking at you in your eyes

#

Man I'm supposed to be working rn but I can't weed whip the cemetery cause someone is visiting a departed family member so I'm just sitting here waiting

naive flicker
#

wouldnt damage control be a little less bad with tidal dash (hestia rail)

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its still be very much awful but it doesnt seem impossible

silk marsh
#

Nothing is impossible if you beleive

gray apex
#

If you wanna do it for the memes take Zeus attack bouldy

naive flicker
#

trol

#

just got fased with the harder choice of my life

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eurydice or chaos or eribus for health or a shop or a pom

#

both my strike and special are lvl1 but they are epic

#

might be chaos angle

#

epic chaos attack boon on hestia 74% more damge holy sht im high rolling

naive flicker
#

40 heat done

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really made hades look way harder than he is

#

4mins to spare meaning max js isnt looking too awful with CP

silk marsh
#

Why you keep saying CP?

#

That can't mean what I think it means

indigo badge
naive flicker
#

calisthenics program i dont think saying it lower case wouldve been a better idea

indigo badge
#

could also mean cyberpunk 😃

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or cod points 🤔

indigo badge
naive flicker
naive flicker
silk marsh
#

Yeah well... I ain't trust no one online nowadays

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We always ask

naive flicker
#

fair enough

#

now that ive played stubborn defiance a couple of times it just feels so much better in high heat

#

still cant imagine crossing the time where em4 is gonna be part of the pact with df

stiff obsidian
#

What heat

stiff obsidian
#

50 soon

gray apex
#

Keep your 40 pact and add EM4 and RI3 and you're set

naive flicker
naive flicker
#

i can get there for sure with time so im not gonna rush 50 for now

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just gonna do some 32s with other weapons with em4 just for practice

naive flicker
#

i cant live without second dash

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50 is possible with em4

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i mean ri2 isnt terrible

#

man hs tho holy sht do i hate hs

silk marsh
#

@stiff obsidian what a username.

naive flicker
#

is storm lightning bait ?

mint coral
#

assuming you don't have lightning bolts to access double strike/high voltage

glass escarp
#

is this possible to copy saves? I wanna keep a copy of my save just in case

naive flicker
#

like a bolt of lightning

mint coral
#

jolted procs double strike and high voltage

#

but yeah not storm

#

storm affects chain lightning (attack/non beo cast)

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everything else is a lightning bolt and thus boosted by D.strike/voltage

#

except the legendary itself

#

that's its own thing and doesn't get anything

naive flicker
#

high voltage isnt that worth but double strike is

mint coral
#

nah is super good???

naive flicker
#

i knew it was like insanely broken

mint coral
#

the only weird case with double strike I remember is I think zeus shield + zeus special?

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something something internal cooldown weird

naive flicker
#

thought it only worked with like lightning reflexes and vengence

mint coral
#

but should work fine with jolted

mint coral
#

the chance is way higher than shown

naive flicker
naive flicker
#

got a question for the duo boon between aphro and athena if i recall correctly your cast gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind

#

does it get the bonus when it strikes a foe from behind or does it take the bonus as added damage

mint coral
#

When it backstabs

#

It gives them the ability to backstab + some bonus dmg basically

naive flicker
#

and can ares's cast get backstabs?

#

or something like dios cast

mint coral
#

No

naive flicker
#

alr ok

mint coral
#

AoEs can't

naive flicker
#

unlucky

#

zeus's legendary might not be balanced

mint coral
#

it is pretty silly

#

the issue is

#

most legendaries are stinky

#

zeus seems broken in contrast

naive flicker
#

a legendary should be broken tbh

#

and yea too many underwhelming legendaries

rustic vale
mint coral
#

wdym !?

#

is a lightning bolt no

rustic vale
#

this is news

#

It isn’t afaik

#

I’m about to drive home from work so I’ll do some testing when I get back but I’m like 99% sure it isn’t a bolt and thus doesn’t prok

mint coral
#

god this game plays so differently to h2

#

it's been months

tepid plover
#

It feels good coming back

mint coral
#

no I'm getting my ass kicked bouldy

#

tbf is fo2 fists on kbm

rustic vale
tepid plover
#

I just refuse to use fo2 in either game, don't like it

mint coral
#

is chill

#

just had to swap to controller lol

indigo badge
#

what's wrong with kbm on fists specifically? 😂

tepid plover
#

Many people here don't like mnk

mint coral
#

I suck at it lol

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I don't play kbm

#

also I saw ares and got happy for a second

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and remembered this is h1

tepid plover
#

Xd

#

Doom

mint coral
#

hello, barge

#

didn't miss it

cunning niche
mint coral
#

||mostly for grievous blow I think|| (h2 stuff)

cunning niche
#

🐱🐱🐱

mint coral
#

(I don't have sprint yet)

indigo badge
#

man h1 hermes is built different

mint coral
#

I prefer his h2 version tbh

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h1 peaks harder ofc

#

but h2 makes me a lot happier

#

I don't pray he gives me the same combo or high rarity dashes

indigo badge
#

"ay here you go man have 3 extra dashes"

mint coral
indigo badge
#

with epic tidal dash too 😌

mint coral
#

god h1 runs are just, so different

#

I hate you game

#

just wanted high voltage

#

just gonna assume I was wrong

#

and this isn't even a mistake I got from h2

#

I always believed they worked on jolted

#

still better than believing that boiling blood was global for like months

#

||funny enough that's how it works in h2's equivalent || (h2 stuff)

mint coral
naive flicker
#

it would be more of a must pick in 64 runs which i dont see it getting picked at all

#

its not neccessary but itd prolly make it a lot easier

#

so ig it doesnt

mint coral
indigo badge
#

elaborate

mint coral
naive flicker
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i mean you dont see it at all but they dont even mention it when saying "this boon would be really nice and this and that" yk

mint coral
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Which is like, actually bad

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Cuz it has a weird funny bug

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Where splitting can just

naive flicker
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legendary getting crossed off is a feeling i dont wanna have

mint coral
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Disable your block

mint coral
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Not a global dmg buff

indigo badge
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the more you know

mint coral
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Not you too

naive flicker
mint coral
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?

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Block is busted

naive flicker
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i dont think its necessary at like chill heat

mint coral
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Outside of the block is reliable™ moments

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Well yeah but why not

fervent radish
naive flicker
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but its bad to get used to bad habbits on a weapon so i wanna know if its actually worth holding attack and when

mint coral
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Block comfy

fervent radish
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it's part of the weapon so use it

indigo badge
fervent radish
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on the other hand, learning how to block enemies is a habit that translates well to any heat

naive flicker
naive flicker
mint coral
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It just becomes a "block everything in front of me"

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What thinking

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The only time blocking can be dangerous is like, charged shot

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Cuz worse case scenario when blocking is you can just use your 3rd dash

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Bullrush

naive flicker
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whats the worst weapon for 32?

mint coral
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Whatever your worst weapon is really

naive flicker
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ngl a lvl1 all weapons to 32 is not a bad idea

naive flicker
mint coral
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Dunno 32 is just easy for me to answer that lol

naive flicker
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trol

mint coral
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Prob guan yu for most people(?)

indigo badge
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so you'll be bored

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hi friends. i just started hades and i have a few questions. What should i be prioritizing in runs? (gemstones, keys, darkness) and i just got my first diamond. should i use it to free orpheus or no?

indigo badge
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oh wait you said all weapons not all aspects

naive flicker
mint coral
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Also sure, diamonds will keep coming

indigo badge
nocturne heart
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ok tyty

naive flicker
mint coral
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So might as well get them out of the way now

indigo badge
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and gilgamesh will be one of your worst experiences playing 32 heat

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so upgrade your stuff 😃 👍

naive flicker
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a boring challenge at sometimes

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there should be like a heat leaderboard for lvl1 weapons

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do yall think lvl1 zeus shield cant get 64

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the dps is fked so prolly not

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lvls are so valuable and i dont wanna farm titan

fervent radish
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very lucky zeus build with dio call could maybe do i

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and skips

naive flicker
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the time it takes to kill every foe is probably increase by a 0.5seconds

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maybe even more

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and its very tight on time

raven flume
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Can Thanatos spawn in darkness rooms?

old bluff
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If you mean darkness room reward, then yes

amber crest
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He can spawn in most combat encounters

naive flicker
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you need so much darkness to max out the mirror tf

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its like 25k i think

stiff obsidian