h1-discussion

[short trench]

DMs

[rustic vale]

University dining hall

[short trench]

Oh cool

Yeah that be chill if your down to call

[fervent radish]

people usually don't hop into calls with strangers, atleast here

[short trench]

Fsir

[stiff obsidian]

i want a vc here just so i can watch ppl streaming

[knotty lodge]

damn that'd actually sound so fun, i wanna see people run some high heat stuff

im guessing that's not something they'll implement any time soon, considering they'd have to moderate it i suppose?

[stiff obsidian]

thats the reason they give

but most public servers ive seen have vcs so idk

[fervent radish]

best you'll get is the VCs in the speedrunning server or yt vids ngl

[stiff obsidian]

u should stream

[fervent radish]

see i would but often i play based on vibes and if none of the aspects are vibing with me i'll just stop

[stiff obsidian]

yea

i dont mean on twitch

[trim fossil]

my computer crashed and I lost my run

T_T

[mint coral]

you can recover if you haven't loaded up the save again yet (check #h1-tech-fixes )

[trim fossil]

rip I did but thanks I'll remember for next time

[fervent radish]

I’ll stream some zagfist 50 later tn if I finish work on time

[stiff obsidian]

bro didnt finish work in time 💔

[steep condor]

tried a fresh file run and was lucky to get early ares attack in tartarus

then got doors to choose between more ares and a pom

should i have taken the pom to make my attack stronger and avoid non pommable boons or ares to fill my core boons (cast basically) so i'd be more likely to get athena special next time i see her?

[lavish sorrel]

Situation-dependant. How late into tartarus was this? Had you already met any gods other than ares and athena? Had your attack been pommed already? What rarity was it?

In general ares cast sucks because it opens two tiers 2s and later a legendary (and I'd avoid it like the plague if I were you), but ares may have still been a decent pickup to get Impending Doom

Prefer casts like athena's, or dionysus' if you happen to get forced into one of his boons. These two do not open anything on athena or ares, which makes getting ME with them more consistent.

[wispy flower]

So when using shield of chaos, does special boons only work on one of the thrown shields?

I have artemis special now but only one of the shields is green

[tepid light]

no, they should work on all of them

[fervent radish]

Got caught up with other stuff 😔

Also zagfist felt bad

[stiff obsidian]

real

[wispy flower]

woah zeus on zeus shield is amazing

my easiest win so far

[wary charm]

hades 2 doesnt run on my computer so im still stuck in hades 1

[wary charm]

forgot all my builds

[wary charm]

i remember one of my best was using a boon that makes shots call lightning when they're on the ground

[mint coral]

Zeus-arty duo

[harsh scroll]

Lightning Rod is the black sheep or Artemis duos

[knotty lodge]

I truly wonder why they didn't have some feature of making the dialogue queues such that if there's important favor dialogue, those would get priority over less important dialogue

Like, damn man I don't need Poseidon commenting on my weapon or Hermes commenting on the timer I enabled, I need them to acknowledge their favors ffs

Really hampering my goal of finishing the epilogue in as few runs as I can

[mint coral]

There is some priority

But yeah dialogue system is like my major gripe about the game sometimes lol

[tidal hazel]

How many olympians do you have to get close to, and how many hearts?

[rustic vale]

6/9 and you just need to complete their favours

So get to their locked hearts and unlock them

[tidal hazel]

How do i get locked hearts? I have them on like 3 people

[rustic vale]

It depends for each person

[wary charm]

anyone got a nice build for achiles spear and quiron bow?

[tidal hazel]

I cant do the one for sisyphus cus nyx wont give me the dialogue

[rustic vale]

Check the wiki to find the favours for each npc individually

[rustic vale]

chiron was correct

[wary charm]

oh

its translated to portuguese

[rustic vale]

👍

[wary charm]

thought it was quiron always

so what about the build

i need aspect of guan yu for the bow aspect which is my favorite weapon along with aspect of lucifer

[rustic vale]

Achilles can do really well with just like a strike focused but both of the best ones also really easily become cast builds

Starting with artemis strike -> ares cast and finding their duo is rather strong, as is zeus strike -> phalanx shot from athena and looking for their duo

You can also just start with tidal dash from
poseidon and build towards either of those two builds depending on what you find in tartarus

[wary charm]

so lightning rod and heart rend?

nvm heart rend is for another build

[rustic vale]

what

[wary charm]

i forgot what that does even

[rustic vale]

hunting blades and lightning phalanx

[wary charm]

ngl i never got neither of those

[rustic vale]

Heart rend is for crit builds, weak enemies take +150% more crit damage (effectively a 1.5* damage multi because you go from 300% -> 450%)

[wary charm]

thought crit damage was Double not triple

[rustic vale]

It’s triple

[wary charm]

crazy

[rustic vale]

But yeah you’re looking for hunting blades or lightning phalanx respectively

for zeus strike you also really want static discharge from him

and Artemis really appreciates hunters mark

hammers you’re looking at flurry jab >>> extending and triple jab

[wary charm]

thats alot to go fot

for

do i start with zeus keepsake for the guaranteed starting boon?

[rustic vale]

Eh I did just convey two seperate builds to you

[rustic vale]

Yeah, one of the god keepsakes comes first for tartarus and the other one for asphodel if you haven’t found the second god by then

[wary charm]

also which boon makes it so ares stacks go off instantly?

i remember there was a build for a weapon that uses a duo boon which does that

[rustic vale]

Merciful End

[wary charm]

athena and ares right

[rustic vale]

Yep

Very powerful duo, and pretty much all the melee aspects have builds for them

[wary charm]

if i remember correctly my easiest run ever was using zeus shield

dont remember which boons but zeus shield is broken overrall

[rustic vale]

You can do it with Achilles too but Achilles has the unique strength of being able to use cast builds instead with a massive damage bonus

[rustic vale]

It is a very safe aspect with respectable damage output regardless of build tbh

[wary charm]

isnt there a duo boon that makes lightning strikes proc ares stacks?

[rustic vale]

no

Merciful End is the only boon in game to trigger doom

[wary charm]

that would probably be way too broken

[rustic vale]

Eh it’d be really awkward on most weapons I think

[wary charm]

would be disgraceful on zeus shield and spear

[rustic vale]

Merciful End mainly works based off the fact that divine dash triggers doom

So you can dash strike a bunch

[rustic vale]

You’d have roughly the same outcome with zeus as you would with athena on zeus

You’d just benefit from static discharge

Actually it would be worse because you don’t even get 1:1 lightning strikes from zeus proks

iirc

[wary charm]

well imagine if every lightning strike was a doom proc

[rustic vale]

It would be effectively the same as athena for zeus shield

the main difference would be like rail with zeus aid

I think that’s the only weapon that could truly do a good job of making use of a zeus/ares duo of that nature

[waxen flame]

Hot take: I think the aspect of zeus is bad

Beowulf is funner to play

[fervent radish]

Incorrect opinion 😔

[waxen flame]

😭

[harsh scroll]

I agree with the second statement though

Meme run idea: pick the rail, get Delta Chamber/Eternal Chamber, use Ares atk and stack up Dire Misfortune uncontrollably

[rustic vale]

This is just objectively wrong

It has proven itself to be rather exceptional

The other statement I can’t really comment on because it’s 100% subjective

[wary charm]

aspect of zeus and bad in the same sentence

MIGHT be the worst opinion oat

that take isnt hot its scorching

[waxen flame]

I just don’t like it

[winter scarab]

Like unfun or actually bad

Cause it’s the best shield aspect

[waxen flame]

Unfun

[winter scarab]

Try it with Zeus special

[waxen flame]

Na

[latent moon]

Just bc it's unfun doesn't make it bad lmao

[wary charm]

do i need to reach hades with the spear for aspect of guan yu?

this weapon is ass honestly

[autumn jewel]

you get 2 ambrosia if you do that but you don't have to

[stiff hatch]

just beat this game, it was so good

[rustic vale]

Nah you just have to have 5 non-zag aspects unlocked

and then talk to achilles til he gives the

[glacial bolt]

Whats the usual Hestia damage output?

im reacing 1800 and barely feeling the effort

[rustic vale]

You just keep cycling the 150 base damage hestia shot with whatever additive you have

[autumn jewel]

oh I was heavily misinterpreting the question 💀

[glacial bolt]

no no i mean like, whats the usual damage number for Stynx temple Hestia looks like

[rustic vale]

1800 is like +1100% additive (way out of whack)

[glacial bolt]

🤔

[rustic vale]

Unless you mean you’re critting for that

[glacial bolt]

12% PP

[rustic vale]

Hades has 17k per hp bar

[glacial bolt]

[rustic vale]

600 damage per shot is rather respectable

[rustic vale]

Pomming pp this high is actually deranged btw

[glacial bolt]

base damage is on 800+ i think

[glacial bolt]

sweet nectar actually

[rustic vale]

Then you’d be critting for 2.4k

[glacial bolt]

🤔

wait, thats the first strike math kicking in, the critcts are on hurt enemies

[rustic vale]

The amount of additive you need to be hitting 600 damage on an average shot

is rather respectable I’d say

You can definitely get it more like 750-900 with a bit more chaos

[glacial bolt]

Chaos

i summon you

give me power and my life, is yours

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-1-area-god-of-war-and-my-life-is-yours-my-life-is-yours-destroy-my-enemies-gif-16755581796643335609

[rustic vale]

Real strats are just taking every chaos gate imagineable and buying more

[glacial bolt]

how do i make more appear? rerolling store seems like desperation

[rustic vale]

*buying more when possible

[wary charm]

wish i could send pictures here honestly

[glacial bolt]

bu...thng?

[rustic vale]

You can

with

imbeds

[rustic vale]

When you can, you do

[wary charm]

so i need to copy the link first?

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to reroll necessarily

[rustic vale]

Yes

[wary charm]

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is this good enough for zeus shield

i dont know what duo boons are good with it

[stiff hatch]

maxing relationship with chaos is so hard

[rustic vale]

Is that zeus special or athena special

[wary charm]

zeus

[rustic vale]

Try to get aphrodite for smouldering air

[wary charm]

on what?

[rustic vale]

Strike ideally

It’s her best placement on zeus shield aside from special and you already have zeus specail

[wary charm]

alright

[rustic vale]

Otherwise like sea storm is solid

Smouldering air works really well with zeus and dionysus calls

And they’re already the best dps calls to start with

[wary charm]

idk what sea storm is honestly

[stiff hatch]

how do I give ambrosia to chaos? I've spoken to them so many times and can't give them any more nectar

[rustic vale]

Pos + Zeus, poseidons knockback effects drop lightning

[autumn jewel]

you need to complete the favor of chaos if you have a locked heart on chaos' codex
it's something to do with 3142

[stiff hatch]

Only favor chaos has asked is "can you beat the final boss with the egg equipped" and I did

[autumn jewel]

keep talking and chaos will start revealing more

[stiff hatch]

do I need to talk to anyone else, like nyx? I've talked to chaos around 30 times after maxxing out the relationship

[autumn jewel]

yes

[stiff hatch]

Ah gotcha
Ty

[rustic vale]

Npcs don’t specifically tell you what their favour is

at least most of them won’t

Looking them up individually on the wiki is the easiest way

[stiff hatch]

ah, I see

[sturdy tartan]

I dont know if this is the right channel, but can someone give me a clear reference of the Stygian Blade? Im trying to find one on the wiki but I cant see those little symbols on the sword clearly.

[lavish sorrel]

define "reference"

you mean the hammers and what they do?

[sturdy tartan]

nope

I cant send images here but, basically just a rlly clear reference of the stygian blade. The ones on the wiki are blurry

[tepid light]

So an image of the sword itself?

[sturdy tartan]

yes yes 😊 i seen theres little symbols on it — im drawing Zag with his sword but i cant see them clearly

on tbe blade

sorry for being confusing hh

[tepid light]

a quick google search for "hades stygian blade" gives a lot of nice pictures

[sturdy tartan]

thank u

[winter parrot]

I’ve got nemesis blade so heavens vengeance or static discharge

[fervent radish]

static discharge

always

[winter parrot]

Just beat the game for the first time

Zag fist tips?

[fervent radish]

ares, zeus, or dio attack

divine dash works good with all of them, but try to get athena special and merciful end if you pick ares on attack

[steep condor]

sorry for the late reply--

ah, i hadn't considered that the cast would open up other boons that distract from the duo. i was generally avoiding ares cast anyway, now i feel justified in doing so :3 thanks

[lavish sorrel]

Small correction after re-reading my message: I of course meant "it doesn't open anything on athena or ares", not "it doesn't open anything on athena and dio"

Also, ares cast doesn't just indirectly mess with your ME odds (by adding two boons that open a legendary), but also in so doing dilutes the ares boonpool, making impending doom less likely to get offered too.

[glacial bolt]

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[autumn jewel]

got mauled by chariots while attempting 32h today

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/drug-anime-girl-gif-26426197

[fervent radish]

Many such cases

[fierce junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158734216893317120/1321979950382972968/image0.gif

[harsh scroll]

Darn Heart Rend on Nemesis is no joke

[wary charm]

may i have a build for aspect of hera

[raw herald]

Aphrodite cast pommed to the brim, snow burst from demeter

[glacial bolt]

Aprod, Blown Kiss and Parting shot

[wary charm]

dont know what blown kiss and parting shot are

[glacial bolt]

Blown Kiss is a boon specially for Apro cast. Parting shot is a duo between Apro and Athena, btw Atena on basic attack, and try to get and buff Blinding Flash, since makes Parting shot increase your cast damage.

[fervent radish]

Blown kiss can cause the cast to miss and go past the enemy

And parting shot only allows cast to backstab so ngl you’re probably better suited selling it and pomming cast

[wary charm]

what do i get then

[glacial bolt]

yeah but like partign shot is generally increase damage across the battle vs bosses and ad specially

[fervent radish]

Only a little bit ngl

[glacial bolt]

I disagree

[fervent radish]

It doesn’t provide a general damage increase to casts and bosses are typically facing you anyways

[glacial bolt]

i pommed BF 3 times and it drastically increased the damage

[fervent radish]

That money is better spend on poms

BF?

[old bluff]

Blinding flash

[glacial bolt]

Blinding Flash

[fervent radish]

Oh

[glacial bolt]

im also using athena on attack so thats a triple dip

it is definetly worth investing imo

[zinc trellis]

How do y’all get your boon levels so high? Do you just ever choose like 3 boons so that it’s always those being pommed up?

[mint coral]

Selling boons that are pommable but not helping

Knowing what's not pommable at all

[fervent radish]

still doesn't seem consistent enough to be worth it

[fervent radish]

yeah pretty much

don't take stuff you don't need and make sure you know what your 1-3 important boons are so you can sell other stuff

[glacial bolt]

if you decicate yourself to the build and play round it, it is, but its not an grab on the way eze win

also, turns out, it triggers Nyx keepsake 3 times.

[zinc trellis]

I now have 3 chibi bond icons 🥰

[glacial bolt]

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Heres a single, 4 cast, from back and unharmed shot to dad

[harsh scroll]

Black Shawl man really

[fervent radish]

I mean fair enough. Building around backstab just seems miserable to me

Normal Hera build can probably do more

[glacial bolt]

its bugged in the good way, it makes your cast backstab inherently all by itself, then it adds that damage again with Partingshot mechanics, so your first backstabshot deals +60% damage.

[fervent radish]

Pretty nice backshots

[glacial bolt]

also yeah, but as your local backstab player, i can tell you most enemies, even dad have one attack than allow you to backstab easily. after his double swing, its a full 2 seconds of not moving, same with heroes in elisium

when he heals or shots his 3 way laser, you can yet at him full force

[stiff hatch]

I feel like i never get the boon of defiance from chaos.

[mint coral]

you need another chaos boon first before it can be offered

also is not affected by any rarity buff

[stiff hatch]

ah, which one? Just any?

[mint coral]

yeah, just any boon from them

[stiff hatch]

Alright thanks
Is it a legendary?

[mint coral]

yeah defiance is their legendary

[stiff hatch]

ahh I see
How do legendaries work anyways
I feel like I sometimes don't get legendaries for an entire run, even when I have the legendary chance maxed

[mint coral]

You need the pre reqs before it has a chance to show up

There's a codex upgrade you can buy from the contractor that will give you a boon list for the gods which shows the requisites

After that you still need to roll the legendary chance

[stiff hatch]

oh, thanks

[stiff hatch]

hmmm, when do you unlock that

[mint coral]

Iirc... You need to reach the 4th biome?

And have at least seen 1 duo

[stiff hatch]

oh then I've probably bought that because I've beaten the game
Like got the credits
and have seen a ton of duos

[mint coral]

wiki only says it needs the minor list of prophecies

[stiff hatch]

Which tab is it in

Ok

[mint coral]

is a work order called codex index

can also just open the codex and go to the page of any of the gofs

[stiff hatch]

ohh I see

[mint coral]

at the bottom it should say "press "button" to open info or something

[stiff hatch]

yeah that worked
Ty

[glacial bolt]

is normal (50%) blow kiss worth? or should i just wait for another aprh boom

[ripe coyote]

If Im using Chiron and take a chaos boon that offers bonus special damage, is it better to go dionysys or any other god?
As Dionysys only adds DoT, whereas other gods add more damage, which would? stack alongwith chaos?

[mint coral]

is this hera?

[mint coral]

if you have concentrated volley hammer you could go for something like arty special

[ripe coyote]

I usually like poseidon + razor choals on the special, would arty be better?

[mint coral]

arty would be better cuz of the crits if you have conc volley + a chaos boon

generally if you wanna do % specials you want conc volley tho

[glacial bolt]

yes

[ripe coyote]

But, its pretty much always better to skip dion if I get a chaos boon, right?
As he doesnt add in any extra damage, only DoT instead?

[mint coral]

Don't take blown kiss then

[glacial bolt]

too late 😦

[mint coral]

it messes up the hitbox so you need to undershoot your arrows

[rustic vale]

It depends on the build

[glacial bolt]

is it bad or

[mint coral]

and if you have the flurry shot hammer is even worse as you can't do that

[rustic vale]

This is a really wierd way to put it because the dot is his damage like

Chaos is usually the play because he’s far less frequently found, you can pretty much always bank on finding another dio boon

But hangover is literally damage

[glacial bolt]

doesnt blow kiss apply to all cast at once if lunched with hera together?

[mint coral]

no?

they still hit 1 after the other

[fervent radish]

still seems like too much work ngl

[glacial bolt]

aH

[mint coral]

and good luck hitting anything with it

[stiff hatch]

How do I catch surface fish after the credits roll

[glacial bolt]

Got luck and told it

[fervent radish]

if i'm playing hera i want to nuke on my first volley without having to position better

[glacial bolt]

180 for a single boon, wtf

[mint coral]

dad's arena will have fish

[rustic vale]

All the surface fishing spots become dad arena spots

[ripe coyote]

Okay, let me explain
So lets say, I take Chiron
Get a chaos boon in the first room, which offers 100% bonus spl dmg
Now, I would usually go Dio, but since I have chaos epic special, would it be even better to take something that adds more dmg / crits? Like arty / poseidon + razor choals instead of dion?
As dions damage doesnt get "added" to the chaos damage as its just DoT

[fervent radish]

if you can make it work, then more power to you. just not in a position to need that many boons for a build on AP2

[rustic vale]

Crits are the only reason why this would even matter

[fervent radish]

razor shoals isn't added that way either

if you have strong additive, crits become better though yeah

[rustic vale]

Chaos adds additively to the bows base damage just like the rest of your +%

[ripe coyote]

Which makes arty just that much stronger, got it

[rustic vale]

so you aren’t getting more value from chaos if you have poseidon on special

[rustic vale]

Yep

[stiff hatch]

Ah ok thanks

[ripe coyote]

Same goes for dion?

[fervent radish]

i think you might have a little misconception about why arty is better though

[rustic vale]

Yep

It’s still good though

It’s extra free damage

[glacial bolt]

Question: Does Pounding wave applies to every tick of razor shoals?

[rustic vale]

Nope

[fervent radish]

stacking alongside chaos additive isn't a relevant consideration when determining what god to take

[ripe coyote]

True, but the extra damage can be additively higher with anyone besides dion

[fervent radish]

but like

[rustic vale]

But… you’d be getting the damage from hangover instead

[fervent radish]

crits are an outlier here because they're multiplicative

[glacial bolt]

so they are fully separated booms?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[fervent radish]

both aphro and dio are doing more damage independently of the chaos additive

god additive and chaos additive don't interact in any way

[rustic vale]

I mean they do literally just add together like

[fervent radish]

yeah

[rustic vale]

aphrodite is offering as much value before and after chaos is applied

so is dionysus

artemis is the only different one because crits multiply

[fervent radish]

in fact, if you already have chaos additive, flat damage becomes more enticing because you already have a good amount of additive so you want to potentially open up scaling from global damage boosts

[ripe coyote]

With dion :-
Without chaos - Chiron special damage + dion hangover
With chaos - chiron damage + chaos extra damage + the same dion hangover dmg with or without chaos + chaos extra damage + lets say arty extra damage, due to chaos

With, any other god
With chaos - chiron dmg

[ripe coyote]

2nd option seems objectively better here, I feel

[rustic vale]

What

did you read any of the previous messages while typing that out

[glacial bolt]

while talking about chaos, i believe than (Favor) is OP, since it also raises the value of everythign forever after.

early on specially its pretty powerful.

[rustic vale]

Dionysus (damage) and aphrodite (additive +%) will offer the same value before and after chaos (additive +%) is applied

[fervent radish]

favor is fine, usually additive damage is better

[rustic vale]

Favour is a cope pick

you take it if you don’t hit your additive

[ripe coyote]

Yes
But im still having trouble understanding why chaos wont affect any other god better
As isnt it literally adding more damage
A god offering 50% extra damage will do objectively more damage if I already have a chaos boon right

[fervent radish]

no

[glacial bolt]

i disagree

[fervent radish]

it's addiitve

[rustic vale]

They add together

+90% from aphro and +50% from chaos ends up being +140%

[fervent radish]

what purpose are you judging this for?

[rustic vale]

That’s how the game is coded

[glacial bolt]

i think its damn good, damage is better sure, but if i see a 25%+ attack or an epic favor, i will wake favor.

[rustic vale]

No attack boon can be that low

From chaos

[ripe coyote]

Oh damn

[glacial bolt]

its an example.

[rustic vale]

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you with their boosts are additive (add together)

[fervent radish]

i'm taking attack additive every time ngl

poms fall off a lot

[ripe coyote]

Got it

[fervent radish]

maybe on a flat damage build, but i wouldn't take chaos in that case anyways

[ripe coyote]

Which makes arty al the more better with chaos enhancing it

[fervent radish]

yeah

wet noodle without additive though

[rustic vale]

Artemis more needs chaos to do well

Scales harder with it but also needs it to work at all

[ripe coyote]

What would the strongest god be on chiron special regardless of chaos?

[glacial bolt]

wait, epic chaos cast does nothing

like, nothing in general?

its always just 1 stone

[rustic vale]

eh without chaos artemis drops off hard tbh

Aphrodite or dionysus

[ripe coyote]

Ive tried them all and always felt poseidon, as the t2 boons can rack up extremely hard, specially the one which does more dmg to bosses

[rustic vale]

Eh

[ripe coyote]

Ye

[rustic vale]

The knockback is just really annoying from what I’ve found

[ripe coyote]

Aphro atk + poseidon spl + razor choals + the bonus boss dmg, melts bosses

The slamming boons are a bonus

[rustic vale]

but it’s also been like 400 runs since the last time I used chiron, but more since I’ve tried poseidon on it

[rustic vale]

The bonus boss damage would also be additive

And pos special innately has worse numbers than aphro

your main leg up would be wave bounding if anything

Not wave pounding

razor shoals

[ripe coyote]

Yep, razor choals with any status attack for privilidged status

[fervent radish]

yeah it's always 1

[glacial bolt]

wave pouding on Lucifers spcial tho

[fervent radish]

just keep in mind that these are all some very off meta picks btw

[ripe coyote]

Any deck players here?
What do you assign the cast to on beowulf?

[fervent radish]

all well and good to theorycraft about stuff, but if you ask about how well something performs, we're going to give it to you in comparison to the meta

[fervent radish]

i think controller usually does a face button, but whatever is convenient

[rustic vale]

As someone who plays switch/ controller, I swapped cast and call

you cast far more often then you call so it being in a more convient place

Is so much better for beo/hera

I’m assuming it has nearly the same button placement as the switch and other controllers

[glacial bolt]

I dont particularly think that Poesidon special into sea storm in off meta in anyway, that thing makes the game play by itself.

[fervent radish]

it's definitely off meta

lucifer works best with aphro or arty on special

[rustic vale]

Pos special on luci?

That’s off meta as hell

You’d knock them out of the explosion radius before you even get to explode your bombs

[glacial bolt]

Eh, every time i pick it up its always one of the easies runs of my life

[rustic vale]

As someone who has been playing Hades for a while and talking here for a while I can tell you it’s not the meta

I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard someone even talk about using pos special on luci in the last 4 years

[glacial bolt]

ok : (

[stiff hatch]

Youre telling me I got FOUR chaos boons with no legendary

[knotty lodge]

are you hunting for the defiance boon for the quest?

[glacial bolt]

yes, its still a legendary

[rustic vale]

it's a 1% chance

it isn't impacted by rarity boosts last I checked

[glacial bolt]

wrong, its impacted by Chaos favor

[stiff hatch]

yes

[rustic vale]

hmm

I could've sworn it wasn't impacted whatsoever

[stiff hatch]

I have level three egg and I got one of the favor boons I'm gonna crash out 😭

[knotty lodge]

I forget where I read it, but items and boons that give +% for Rare boons will also give +x% to obtain Legendary boons.

[rustic vale]

yes but iirc Chaos specifically doesn't care

[glacial bolt]

you also got gods legacy?

[fervent radish]

i don't think chaos leg is affected by chaos favor

[rustic vale]

I'm double checking old messages but hades 2 is really making it annoying

[knotty lodge]

make sure to save your rerolls for your 2nd+ visits to Chaos; Defiance wont appear on your first encounter with him cause it needs a prerequisite chaos boon

[fervent radish]

if you have a source stating otherwise, i'm interested

[glacial bolt]

Excusive Access?

[rustic vale]

exclusive access doesn't do anything for that

[fervent radish]

i don't think so either

[rustic vale]

it literally doesn't touch legendary/duo chance whatsoever

much less chaos'

[glacial bolt]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos/Boons_(Hades)

Favor gives innate +10%

[rustic vale]

yeah but I've been telling you

chaos doesn't care

[fervent radish]

it's special

[rustic vale]

chaos is literally built different

that's why his legendary chance is 1% instead of the base 12-10% as well

[knotty lodge]

so what i gather is, it's just the item yarn of ariadne that can help with the defiance boon?

[rustic vale]

afaik

nothing can

[knotty lodge]

damn

guess im lucky i got it when i did

[rustic vale]

I'm double checking old messages to see if I find anything to the contrary but h2 having chaos and h1 having a legendary fish

really are diluting my messages

[glacial bolt]

id rather belive the lie than yarn and access can do something

this universe cant be this cruel

[knotty lodge]

just make sure to go for keys as often as possible

so you can save up your rerolls

and always check the well of charon for that item that guarantees chaos to appear

[rustic vale]

rather than saving up your rerolls just expend them one at a time at every chaos you get after the first until you're like halfway thru elysium

then you can spend the rest

you can get more rerolls overall that way

[rustic vale]

this is one of a handful of people I'd trust about Hades more than anyone else

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1363721505699270668/image.png?ex=6807101f&is=6805be9f&hm=a1669c18172892228385b6cedbbb32c80611dfc5e2af8a2bdaa62d9682fb78f0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=603&height=673

[stiff hatch]

Is there something I have to do to catch ultra rare fish or do I just have to get lucky

[rustic vale]

you can only get them with perfect catches

[stiff hatch]

what is a perfect catch

[rustic vale]

the rarities are 50:50 common rare with regular catches, and 50:50 rare legendary with perfect

perfect catches are catches within one third of a second (0.34s) of when the bobber went under, rather than the usual two thirds (0.67s)

[stiff hatch]

I mean I normally do that, maybe I've just been unlucky.. but ty

[rustic vale]

you normally hit perfect catches?

the game tells you when you make the catch

it's not like crazy hard or anything but you would know if you're hitting them often

[stiff hatch]

oh I see
I always do it as fast as I can idk what else to do then

also how do you reroll boons I've never done that before I'm gonna be honest

[rustic vale]

it's the green version of the last upgrade on the mirror

fated persuasion

so much better than fated authority that most people just assume you'll have it on

[stiff hatch]

I see 😭

[rustic vale]

eh there are a good few tips and tricks that'll let you know when the real bobber is coming so you react faster

like real bobs always happen withing 1-2 seconds of the start or after a fake bob, while fake bobs take longer

I'll double check the exact numbers in a second but general feel is "oh it happened soon after the last one, I know it has to be this one"

and it'll always happen on the 4th bob if it gets to that point

the bobber can only fake you out three times max

[stiff hatch]

there are?

[rustic vale]

I just told you the main 2

it's 1-2 seconds not 1.5-2.5 seconds my bad

[autumn jewel]

always pray the fish bites in 4th bob

[stiff hatch]

Oh sorry discord lag

Just got a bass ayy ty for the tips

[gilded quest]

Hades have a end?

[indigo badge]

finish 10 runs

there's also an epilogue that's a little more complicated

[gilded quest]

Need to be more lvl of heat?

[indigo badge]

nope, you can finish the story on 0 heat

but the bounties let you upgrade weapons which makes future runs easier

[rustic vale]

The story does, the gameplay does not

[fierce junco]

god bless

[snow hemlock]

Yall how many olympian final hearts do i need for the epilogue 😭

[rustic vale]

6

[snow hemlock]

I cant get demeter without epilogue?

[rustic vale]

Afaik

yes

You’ll just have to deal with the other 8 till then

Although maxing her hearts does count as a bond forged for the epilogue afaik

[snow hemlock]

Aphros last one seemed so complicated 😞

[rustic vale]

so you can knock an extra favour off

[snow hemlock]

Dio and poseidon abt to get soo much nectar

[rustic vale]

Aphros is forging bonds with the 3 “romanceable” characters iirc yeah?

[snow hemlock]

Yeah thats what the steam guide said

Thank u 🫡

[left edge]

Best casts for beowolf? High heat in mind?

[lavish sorrel]

Anyheat: poseidon cast + artemis attack -> mirage shot
Highheat: aphrodite cast

[harsh scroll]

What weapon do people typically use on boonless runs

[old bluff]

Hestia

[lavish sorrel]

usually hestia, sometimes nem, sometimes rama, sometimes zagbow, sometimes arthur. basically all the aspects with high base damage or innate crits.

[zinc trellis]

Why Aphro cast?

[native epoch]

Is it possible to miss dialogue by gifting nectar too fast? Asking here cause i dont really want story spoilers, thx!

[tepid light]

Big damage

[fervent radish]

Lot of damage, weak, and doesn’t need mirage

[spiral bluff]

AAAAAAAAAAAAH

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867045762843934731/1363916661589282907/image.png?ex=6807c5e0&is=68067460&hm=bb7e781c45b56000a095ac2f8f03643c17133611808832874a2ad470b9857afb&

[glacial bolt]

Is there a build for Zag sword? or only the money build?

[spiral bluff]

Fym 👍 cross i lost to [REDACTED] on phase 3

[fervent radish]

Many such cases

[fervent radish]

Hoarding slash?

[indigo badge]

em4 cp2 for 32 heat

[glacial bolt]

yeah
thats the only build ik for it cuz of the base AS

[stiff obsidian]

@ aspect of asian

‼️

[fervent radish]

Hoarding slash is bad

Always get double edge on swords

[spiral bluff]

What that means

[indigo badge]

extreme measures 4 with calisthenics program 2

[spiral bluff]

Ah

Stfu

[glacial bolt]

Ok sure, i agree is bad, but whats a good zag sword build tho

[indigo badge]

hades gets 80k hp across his 3 phases, but you'll be dealing more damage because he also heals mid fight

[mint coral]

The same as your nem build

[glacial bolt]

merciful end spam?

[spiral bluff]

The other ways of reaching 32H wasnt good for me

[mint coral]

Or aphro/arty attack + tidal dasg

The only difference is that zag sword gives some extra dmg to rush delivery lol

[glacial bolt]

Aaaaah

🤔

Man RD is my least picked boon

i dont usually run dash/atk builds so it feels so worthless

[mint coral]

How

[glacial bolt]

since you only get the damage while dashing with sprint

[mint coral]

(as in, dash strikes are usually the better dps)

You can also dash before the hit connects

[glacial bolt]

Wait, the damage is based of your current action and not the action you send it with?

[mint coral]

Yeah the game checks for dmg when the hit connects

[glacial bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-math-gif-26401692

wtf

[mint coral]

You can also see it easier with eris and hangover

Apply full stacks > check dmg > apply buff > dmg changes

The only difference is achilles' buff

[glacial bolt]

Well.... at least is a bit more usually.

[mint coral]

If you shoot a buffed crystal beam then waste the other charges is still buffed

Or if you put down a beam then gain the buff it won't deal more dmg

[stiff obsidian]

[gilded quest]

Beowulf aspect better than Zeus aspect?

I unlock beowulf rn

[fervent radish]

Yeah

You can also play it like nem but harder to lean into crits

[fervent radish]

It’s faster but Zeus is safer

[wispy flower]

So how good is Invisibility? I don't seem to get it. Certainly didn't help much against redacted

[stiff obsidian]

what invisbility

https://tenor.com/view/title-card-invisible-invincible-gif-8247923706752637884

[glacial bolt]

dad call

[fervent radish]

It gives you 100% global damage buff for a second or two

Pretty useful on some builds

[stiff obsidian]

useless

[glacial bolt]

Honestly just go full Call rather than mid call

[fervent radish]

Basically rush delivery call

[wispy flower]

Calling dad in front of him is quite funny tho. And he's so confused

[rustic vale]

Get out of here with angular motion

[glacial bolt]

i, what

[knotty lodge]

im so naive

gee i barely even lose half a life when i fight Hades, surely having 4 death defiances and entering with full health is enough to deal with extreme measure Hades

nope. got absolutely destroyed. didnt even finish off his second phase. goddamn

[wispy flower]

Me with my stubborn defiance, chaos death defiance, and lucky tooth about to walk into the final fight

I'm sure nothing will go wrong, right?

[knotty lodge]

yknow the best part? I coulda absolutely gone with a cheesy strat of using heartbreak strike and unhealthy fixation, spamming charms on dad

i deliberately didnt choose unhealthy fixation, thinking "nahhh i wanna have mercy"

i learned my lesson, never underestimating him again

[indigo badge]

em4 dad fight do be like that

[wispy flower]

Beowulf with charged shot, easiest win ever

almost did it without taking damage

got careless at the end

[pure comet]

Hi I was thinking of starting to learn new save runs any advice?

[rustic vale]

Fresh File runs are very difficult

You’re going to be aiming for a Merciful End build pretty much every time due to your preset god pool (only ares, artemis, athena and dionysus can show up on a fresh file run)

Note that Fresh File runs are roughly equivalent in difficulty to like a 50 heat run on a maxed save

[steep condor]

there's a guide but i'm not sure if we're allowed to link it here because it recommends save game shenanigans for practice

[stiff obsidian]

nothing wrong with using saves

[steep condor]

not morally probably but maybe from a dev pov... i have no idea

either way it's here please delete if it's not allowed https://scientific-paprika-b40.notion.site/Hades-Fresh-File-First-Run-Guide-2d647029f5c34252acbd38ad5e54b221

[latent moon]

The devs are quite fine with modding and using save states are perfectly fine lmao

They're quite aware of the speedrun, high heat, and modding communities

And the first two communities use save states quite often

[lavish sorrel]

(45 to about 53-ish depending on aspect)

there is no world where gilga / chiron 50 anywhere close to ff

[ripe coyote]

Does last stand hp bonus on revive stack with stubborn defiance? (30% + 10-16%?)

[harsh scroll]

Yes

[steep condor]

i know, but i figured there's a difference between being aware and supportive of something and wanting everything about that on their own discord

i think i was thinking it may be a problem because of the data mining stuff they don't want but yeah obvs that's different

[pure comet]

Thanks for the advice.

[harsh scroll]

Society if Arctic Blast didn't interrupt Chill stacking 📈 📈 📈

[lavish sorrel]

and in the event you have further questions about things not mentioned in the guide, we'd love to help!

[harsh scroll]

Anyway speaking of Demeter which aspects make her not feel miserable to take boons from

If there's any

[lavish sorrel]

hestia as a backup-option because that aspect accepts anything %-based

also dem has overall good tier 2 support boons regardless of aspect that you can pick up

[harsh scroll]

Man I don't think I'd ever take Demeter on Hestia when I can get Aphro 😭

[lavish sorrel]

this is true

or you could run shackle for guaranteed level 1 epic aphro attack and common special

[harsh scroll]

B-but... Sweet surrender!!1!

I think the only time I genuinely picked Demeter was when I used Lucifer for the first time

[knotty lodge]

I feel like Demeter should be decent enough for fast attack weapons like the rail. particularly for her arctic blast boon

Besides that, i got no clue

[harsh scroll]

I don't particularly like Arctic Blast because it stops Chill stacking for a while

Plus I think it's a bit counterintuitive to Chill because you want them to be fully stacked

Demeter also has a handful of cast duos and most of them are direct downgrades so you'd want her away from the build

[mint coral]

Is miserable on rail

[stiff obsidian]

no it doesnt

wait

which is last stand

nvm

🤫

[mint coral]

Lmfao

What boon were you thinking

Ares's dmg on dds?

[stiff obsidian]

i still dont know what last stand is but yea that one

[harsh scroll]

DDs heal more

[stiff obsidian]

im losing the hades rot i have to install soon

[mint coral]

Last stand is regen a dd + more heal

[stiff obsidian]

pattY?

[mint coral]

Athena

[stiff obsidian]

ohhhhh

nvm

[harsh scroll]

That's Touch of Styx

[stiff obsidian]

right

[fervent radish]

Yeah they don’t care

If they did, we wouldn’t be able access those files directly

[latent moon]

Oh yeah the files are like super accessable and easy for modding

Lua files iirc?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[mighty flint]

Guys, Theseus and Asterius fight question.

Basically, I'm confused because they randomly go together then do the same affect those little skulls Hades shoots during his fight that do the boiling blood circle thing. I thought it was a one time thing because my Switch is a glitchy lil thing, but it happened two runs in a row.

For context:

• the first time I was using the spear, and I had 8 pact of punishment, including extreme measures as high as it would go.
• the second time I was using the twin fists, with one pact of punishment, extreme measures.

[mint coral]

Is a move they unlock after you kill them enough times

Asterius rams into Theseus's shield and creates the shockwave

[mighty flint]

Oh.

See, I had asked my friend who got me into the game, but they'd never heard of this.

[mint coral]

Is basically a whole dialogue sequence

Kill them a few times > zag and bull are friendly > theseus thinks as betrayal

[mighty flint]

OH!

[mint coral]

More kills pass then they make up

[mighty flint]

Yeah I got all that dialogue.

[mint coral]

After that the shockwave move is unlocked

[mighty flint]

So after all that they unlock the move.

Right, thank you!

[mint coral]

They also have another tag move but that one is always available

When asterius launches Theseus

[mighty flint]

i've never seen that one

[mint coral]

Is funny

Also if you are using EM3 you won't really get to see it

Theseus needs to be off the chariot

[mighty flint]

Thanks for your help, I was very confused lol.

Maybe I'm just not observant enough lol

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/tcPheYu3CZQ?t=34s

Theseus yeet

Get dyno'd

[mighty flint]

Genuinely have never seen that

[knotty lodge]

tssk

I keep forgetting about that

[mint coral]

The move is even a thing in run 1 lol

[knotty lodge]

but damn i never thought Asterius actually throws him lmao

i thought he just did that thing where you rush to your spear like Zagreus does

[summer hazel]

I think I've dodged that move but I never noticed it was Asterius throwing him. I just thought Thesues was dashing into me lol.

[mint coral]

I get so much value out of this video

[mighty flint]

Honestly I have beef with Theseus after writing fanfic abt him and getting pissed at his personality, so. I guess I don't pay attention.

I thought it was Theseus throwing the spear.

[rustic vale]

How do you end up writing fanfiction about a character prior to accounting on them being an annoying prick

[mighty flint]

...huh?

HUH?

[rustic vale]

what word did you even

[mighty flint]

Didn't mind him, then wrote it and found him worse, and was like "woah I hate this female dog"

[rustic vale]

[mighty flint]

Didn't know that was a thing

[knotty lodge]

The only solution is to write another fanfic but this time NTR him

[mighty flint]

NTR?

[knotty lodge]

not sure if this'll get dyno'd, but cuckold him

[mighty flint]

Ahhh

I mean...

That kinda already happened

Long story

basically yk that dialogue where he says something abt penetrating zag's pallid flesh?

let's say i took that very literally then when the fight was over asterius and zag had some fun after theseus went to styx

I can dm you the link if you're curious

[harsh scroll]

...oh. It's gex. That's the joke.

[mighty flint]

...yeah

3 chapters worth

[mighty flint]

I made it beautiful

Can't even say my ao3 user in this channel because I'll get dyno'd

💔

[fervent radish]

🗿

[rustic vale]

[fervent radish]

Btw I finally don’t suck at bow

It really was a skill issue the whole time

[rustic vale]

Nice!

I’m pretty mid at everything now

washed as heck

[mint coral]

Mood

[fervent radish]

You’ll pick it back up quickly though

[rustic vale]

Eh that requires me to play Hades semi-frequently

I’m doing it like 2 runs a week now

[mighty flint]

I'm good with the bow and the spear. Okay with the shield. Haven't touched the sword in a while, haven't touched the gun full stop. Only just tried twin fists.

[knotty lodge]

I can't believe Hades even has dialogue for keeping it on EM4 even after losing to him many times with it on

Im boutta whoop this dude's ass

brb

[rustic vale]

very Hades dialogue to have tbh

[rustic vale]

Rail and bow are definitely still my best aspects

I’m just markably worse

I could not do a 40 heat run in current shape

[knotty lodge]

Update: I did not whoop this dude's ass

halfway through 3rd phase on my last life, i couldnt do jack other than survive and keep dodging. lasted for about 3 minutes longer before inevitably dying. goddamn

[summer hazel]

The DPS requirement in 3rd phase is kind of nuts

[knotty lodge]

I think I was fine with DPS, i had the explosive shot bow with triple shot

My downfall was losing too many lives and taking too many hits in the first two phases

Gotta get used to his new moves still

Like, i can never tell when after his first spin attack, whether he'll throw his spear or do another spin attack

All in due time

[winter scarab]

Dude

I just got my best time on zag bow

😭

[glacial bolt]

is pomming Proud Bearing a good idea

[fervent radish]

Nah

Almost always better things to Pom

[glacial bolt]

does it literally go full bar?

[fervent radish]

Bearing is mostly so you can spam call as soon as you enter Styx rooms and you should have a full charge with rare

I don’t think so

[glacial bolt]

mmmm

[mint coral]

according to github wiki you need lvl 23 heroic for that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1364022269839409243/image.png?ex=6808283b&is=6806d6bb&hm=c8cc27377df53bd29d33d7ff266222a26648aa281b9a3a0c5a15ffdf935ef621&

lvl 33 for common

[glacial bolt]

Sweet nectar, i summon you....!

[summer hazel]

I take Demeter legendary just so I can hear her "Wither and Die!" Line.

Frisson every time

[harsh scroll]

Pros of stashed Proud Bearing: you get a free greater call at the start of the fight (2 stars rating pro)
Cons of stashed Proud Bearing: where did all the poms on atk, special, cast, the call itself and etc go (6 star rating con)

[mint coral]

tbh unless is aphro or arty is kinda a 0 star pro

[stiff obsidian]

in dad fight sometimes i use minicalls just so i dont accidentally charge a full call

[knotty lodge]

im confused, why wouldnt you want a full call?

[stiff obsidian]

more control over a mini call

when u press the call u get a few iframes which is super useful

plus full can lasts quite a while so the whole time its harder to see + ur locked out of using smaller calls during that time

and u wont be dealing damage when hes not in ur range

ofc this is in context of zeus and dio aid

although applies to poseidon and artemis aid aswell

[rustic vale]

Minicalls are generally more efficient with the call gauge used to damage output ratio

and also iframes

[knotty lodge]

never even realized you get iframes during a short call. dont think im skilled enough to time it well enough to use that knowledge but def good to know at least, thanks for the info

[stiff obsidian]

its nice to have a panic button

[knotty lodge]

my panic button is Esc lol

too much adrenaline sometimes

but i understand what you mean

[stiff obsidian]

relatable

once the call button becomes a part of your muscle memory having a call for the hades fight makes it so much easier

[glacial bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1270043817562865755/1364068955387461662/image.png?ex=680853b6&is=68070236&hm=3d4fd5aa2706aaa0ebaa87eeb7048e559585d254b0384aca2b14ae3ba8582ba7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1024&height=819

i got it to 75%

and i died, lmao

too much down time between god calls

[knotty lodge]

Goddamn

Going from EM4 Hades to regular Hades is such a

it's like, taking candy from a baby

The jump in difficulty is insane

[unborn cosmos]

hey everyone! had a general question that i couldn't find an answer too online, if i get buffs from a keepsake (say, dodge and movement from lambent plume) and then switch to another keepsake after getting it, do i keep the buffs? or would i need to keep it equipped, thanks!

[knotty lodge]

The only one with everlasting effects even if you change keepsake is the pom

the rest all lose their effects the moment you switch (so for example, you lose the dodge/movement bonus from lambent plume after you switch it out)

[unborn cosmos]

same with the extra damage one? :c

awww

[knotty lodge]

Yeah it's unfortunate

[unborn cosmos]

oh well

[mystic hearth]

was the beowulf, mirage shot fixed?

[rustic vale]

Nope

The game hasn’t been patched in 4 years

[mystic hearth]

Good cuz im gonna run it my next run

[latent moon]

Assume all bugs exist lmao

[zinc trellis]

wait what site is this lol

[mint coral]

#h1-builds-and-combat pinned messages

[trim fossil]

if you only have 1 boon does pom porridge hit it 4 times or

[mint coral]

Once

[trim fossil]

ty

[glacial bolt]

can i reset the starting hammer?

[mint coral]

Nope

Changing aspects could prob change some if there's incompatible hammers but you would be swapping aspects

[glacial bolt]

ok

[digital pond]

quick question about the "Sea-God's Spite" profecy, do i have to have extreme measures at max for it to work or is one enough

[harsh scroll]

It needs to be Extreme Measures 3. It's the one that affects Theseus

[digital pond]

aight and um is it possible to give nectar more than once to someone on a run

[mint coral]

No

[wispy flower]

What's up with the lambent plume's timer? Some encounters don't even spawn that fast.

I suppose the buff is still quite decent if I use it from the beginning, but then I can't really control my build with other god keepsake

[deep phoenix]

Try staying on the ground during solar pillar

So the centipede doesn’t get you

Oh this not terraria

[wispy flower]

lmao

[mint coral]

You figured out why is a bad keepsake

You also can't swap from plume or you lose the buff

[wispy flower]

Same with the butterfly

It's probably around the buff of an Epic boon. But a good duo from controlling the boons worth much more than that.

[mint coral]

Yup

The other issue with butterfly is that the weapons that are better at using it use % attacks

So is a lot less value from the global buff

[glacial bolt]

You are also just better off picking like 7 hearts +aphro and just staying low to trigger meg and get as much value

while also having the ability to control your keepsakes early

[copper sedge]

What are some good ways around shields?

[glacial bolt]

some boons have armor and shield ignoring stuff, like breaking knuckles and other stuff.

Arthemis cast also ignores em.

[unborn cosmos]

oh also whats the best way to get darkness because this stuff is EXPENSIVE

[mint coral]

Run your fastest weapon with poseidon's darkness buff and chaos's eclipse boons

[glacial bolt]

^

[mint coral]

Be sure to do it at a heat where you already claimed the bounties so that bosses drop darkness

[glacial bolt]

Treasures bounty is goat

[unborn cosmos]

okay i fear i may not be far enough in to understand those words

i have 34 hours and still are trying to get all the weapon variants

[mint coral]

Have you escaped once yet

[unborn cosmos]

yeah ive escaped 3 times i think

or 5 idek

lmfao

[mint coral]

Heat is the resource from the pact of punishment that allows you to get more titan blood/etc from the bosses

[unborn cosmos]

i know about heat

[copper sedge]

Is Aspect of Chaos any good?

[mint coral]

No

[unborn cosmos]

im lost on what poseidon's darkness buff is

[mint coral]

Is one of his boons

Boosts darkness received

[copper sedge]

He has a boom that makes all the collectibles give more when picked up

[mint coral]

Ocean's bounty

Eclipse from chaos is the same but bigger numbers

[copper sedge]

So the only reason to use it is because of the Chaos Voicelines

[mint coral]

Pretty much lol

[unborn cosmos]

ohhh interesting, theres literally only one charm left and i have no idea who its for

its the very last one

[mint coral]

Post credits

[unborn cosmos]

ahhhh

is there post credits content?

like a real amount?

[mint coral]

Yeah

Or like

Strictly post credits not that much

More of a wrap up than anything

But you still have any side quests with most characters/a loooot of dialogue/etc

[unborn cosmos]

got it got it

god this game is so good

i was putting it off for years but then i got gifted hades 2 so im like welp now i have to play it lol

[mint coral]

(also happens cuz credits happen like, early in regards to progression)

[unborn cosmos]

wait what wdym

[copper sedge]

lightning rod at doomstone, that was fast

[mint coral]

You only need 10 escapes for the credits

[unborn cosmos]

is that not.... late game?

[rustic vale]

There are 21020 voiced dialogue lines in game

If you just got to credits you only experienced like 5% of Hades

[rustic vale]

It very much isn’t

[fervent radish]

Ely shielded enemies are vulnerable from the back and also when they’re charging for an attack

[unborn cosmos]

oh dear god

how many hours do you all have

lmfao

[mint coral]

850(?)

[rustic vale]

I think close to 500 across Switch and Steam

[fervent radish]

770

[unborn cosmos]

hades 3's gonna be announced by the time im done then

😭

[mint coral]

But is prob closer to somewhere in the 770-720 cuz I afk'd a lot

[rustic vale]

I mean

I definitely had most of the game experienced by 300 hours (80%-90%)

In terms of voicelines

[unborn cosmos]

im at the point where my hades fight dialougue is much much shorter now

like 5 lines instead of 50

[fervent radish]

There’s no story content after credits and epilogue but there’s plenty of gameplay content that you can create for yourself with heat

And speedrunning

[rustic vale]

There’s no main story content*

[fervent radish]

That’s where the game really shines

[unborn cosmos]

oh also random question does having a perfect catch impact things

or just a "neat good job"

[rustic vale]

Yes

[mint coral]

Yup

[unborn cosmos]

because i suck at fishing

damnit

[mint coral]

Are you posting the guide

[rustic vale]

🙄

I hate posting the fishing guide

[mint coral]

Is so I don't post it too lmfao

[rustic vale]

I have all the info in my head

[unborn cosmos]

i always get psyched out and pop it when its just bobbing 😭

[mint coral]

Aight carry on

[unborn cosmos]

im way too jumpy

[fervent radish]

Just like

[rustic vale]

There are a few tricks to know when it will be a real bob

[fervent radish]

Real bobs happen 2 seconds after fake bobs, fake bobs happen 4 seconds

[rustic vale]

2 main ones really

[unborn cosmos]

ohhhhh

[rustic vale]

1-2 seconds

It’s variable

and the bobber can only fake you out 3 times max before it’s a real bob

[fervent radish]

So tense yourself to click 2 seconds after the fake bobs happen. If it doesn’t happen, go back to waiting and repeat

[mint coral]

Perfect catches are 50/50s between a rare or legendary fish

Normal catches are common/rare

[fervent radish]

The real bob will only happen 1 second after the last fake bob if the fake bob happened 3 seconds after the previous fake bob

[blissful sorrel]

Hi everyone! Im new to the super giant server, nice to meet you all!

[fervent radish]

And if the fake bob happened 3 seconds after the previous fake bob, the next Bob will definitely be real

[unborn cosmos]

dear god

its so complicated

[fervent radish]

Nah it’s not that bad trust

[rustic vale]

it’s like 2 rules of thumb to go by

real bobs always come pretty soon

so if you’re waiting a while it’s definitely fake

and if it’s faked you out 3 times, the next one has to be real

[unborn cosmos]

if its 2 seconds then i know its real? or could it be fake

[rustic vale]

Yeah 1-2 second range for real bobs

[fervent radish]

It’s real

[fervent radish]

And then this is true after that timeframe passes

[unborn cosmos]

oh also any tips for the shield guys in elysium

sorry if im talking too much lol

[rustic vale]

hit them from the back

[unborn cosmos]

i just havent had anyone to ask these

[mint coral]

Wait for them to attack, dash behind them

[fervent radish]

.

[unborn cosmos]

got it

the sound gets so grating lmao

[rustic vale]

Most weapons use dash strikes so just dash behind em and then dash back with a dstrike

or catch them charging an attack

[mint coral]

If you play shield, charged shot hammer on top of being ridiculous good dmg it pierces shields too cuz why not

[rustic vale]

Oh yeah

all the “piercing” hammers go through shields

and charged shot because it feels like it

[mint coral]

Funny hammer

[unborn cosmos]

spear make me angry

probably skill issue but it feels clunky

if im not spamming the hell out of my dash attacks

oh actually also is spamming dash attack with the gun a speedrun tactic

because im pretty sure you can shoot faster

than you can normally

[rustic vale]

Dash strikes are a speedrun tactic on every weapon tbh

Sword, fist, bow, spear, and rail all benefit from dash striking more than standing striking

[unborn cosmos]

bow doesnt even have a dash strike?

[rustic vale]

Even shield because it lets you pull up block faster

[rustic vale]

It does

[mint coral]

Why is this so common

[unborn cosmos]

if it does its horribly communicated

[rustic vale]

The game does tell you as part of the kit

[mint coral]

I swear the mini tutorial directly mentions it?

[rustic vale]

I swear it does on the top left

[fervent radish]

You dash then strike

Yeah it does

[rustic vale]

Mmm

🏹 🖥️

[fervent radish]

Dash strikes charge a lot faster than standing strikes

[unborn cosmos]

im using the bow in a run rn and i cant get any damage from doing that

ohhh its the charge speed?

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=6808e1e2&is=68079062&hm=7de3d7024337d70feabd031e08dee148406c83513d68187abd341a0b8dcde975&

Yes

[unborn cosmos]

okay im used to dash attacks just like

doing their own thing

[fervent radish]

It does slightly less damage but more dps overall

[unborn cosmos]

i think thats where the confusion is

[mint coral]

Amazing clip

[rustic vale]

The bow charges in 2/3’s the time for 2/3 of the damage so you end up outputing the same amount of base damage but you do it in a far safer and more consistent fashion

And dash strikes benefit from dash strike boosts

[blissful sorrel]

I do the same
I other pick zeus dash or Poseidon dash and use that as my main source of damage and just build from there
Im not a big fan of the gun honestly

[knotty lodge]

Sorta unrelated question, sorry, but been meaning to ask for a while. Dash strikes also get benefits from attack% boosts right?

[rustic vale]

yes

[knotty lodge]

Ok, good to know thanks

[rustic vale]

Otherwise dash strikes would absolutely suck

[fervent radish]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vNDe40Koqjg

[rustic vale]

And be disjointed from flat damage boosts

[fervent radish]

Do this btw. Alternates standing and dash strikes for optimal dps

[rustic vale]

Pseudotech

[fervent radish]

Zeus on attack and Poseidon on dash should give very high dps

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash is just the best damaging dash

[blissful sorrel]

Oh yeah because of sea storm

[rustic vale]

by a longshot

[fervent radish]

No, just because those boons have good damage

Tidal dash can’t unlock sea storm by itself

[rustic vale]

More like zeus is hands-down the best strike for rail and tidal dash is hands down the best damaging dash

[blissful sorrel]

I know its so annoying, but yeah i literally avoid using the attack or special on gun like the plague
Literally just dash until no more enemies lol

[fervent radish]

What’s the point then lmao

[rustic vale]

Whats the point of not using strike on rail if you’re just dashing

[fervent radish]

The gun is really strong if you build it well

[rustic vale]

It’s free extra damage

[blissful sorrel]

Any suggestions? Every time i have tried to build the gun itself and not just dash it hasn’t gone well for me

[fervent radish]

This lol

[rustic vale]

You literally responded to the recommendation earlier

[fervent radish]

Static discharge is the only other boon you need

[blissful sorrel]

And i have been using the eris aspect so far, should i try any others or does the aspect you use not matter much?

[unborn cosmos]

either something i picked up is preventing this or im just noob

[fervent radish]

From there, don’t take any other boons unless you’re forced to and split all poms between tidal dash and static discharge

[rustic vale]

All the rail aspects are strong, but Hestia and Eris are far stronger than the other 2