h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Unless you’ve extended

[solid glen]

lol

[final hinge]

nah no chaos visits this run

[solid glen]

nah it was like 53 in

no clue whos this was

[marble quartz]

Don't joke with this man i would cry

Seriously my sister is banned from my games from now on...

[solid glen]

let me install it on my pc to make grabbing it easier and ill dm

[rustic vale]

Oh 53 in is a good amount

[rustic vale]

Like it’s not that hard to see that there are 3 save files

how’d she even manage that one

[solid glen]

well

is she a child?

lol

[marble quartz]

And she even had her own save on profile 1 ,that me myself created thinking she would fumble it

Idk how she managed to fumble it anyway

[marble quartz]

18, she just dont get along with PCs

[solid glen]

ah

bummer then

[final hinge]

btw @solid glen im indeed playing with Nem Stygius
fr i feel that muscle memory

[solid glen]

nice nice

[final hinge]

if i die im trying Beowulf from now on

might change to Skelly´s tooth after elysium

funny how theres an Hermes line for when you max forced overtime

[solid glen]

acorn is strictly better iirc

although i admit the tooth helps me psychologically

[stiff obsidian]

when i let my sister play my games i give her very explicit instructions on what not to click and do

[solid glen]

dude theres a hermes line for when you enable the in game timer

i thought that was pretty funny

[final hinge]

already maxed all keepsakes, how many hits it blocks?

5?

[solid glen]

yeah

[final hinge]

still i prefer one last chance if i super mega ruin it

[solid glen]

fair

[final hinge]

been playing with timer for a while, cant remember honestly

[marble quartz]

Idk man, maybe she just ALT F4 the game after playing and it messed with both of us files

[final hinge]

after this im probably trying extreme measures Hades, and leave the game for good

[marble quartz]

I just come home to play just after her and my game was on 5th run attempt.

[final hinge]

thats not how saves work, sorry

[stiff obsidian]

my sister almost deleted my hollowknight save

thats when i realized i have to be careful

[marble quartz]

I already did that once and my save game went back like a week

[stiff obsidian]

🥲

[final hinge]

Hades has auto save

[marble quartz]

Maybe she ALT F4 when the game was saving...

There's so much that could happen

[final hinge]

no, not really
altf4 doesnt have the ability to automatically bannish your local saves from existence

[marble quartz]

Tried using the .bak files and all of them where from a week ago

[final hinge]

you should just ask her

[stiff obsidian]

game saves every room

[solid glen]

i sent my file

[rustic vale]

Yeah tooth blocks like at minimum twice as much

[solid glen]

maybe they'll figure something out though

[stiff obsidian]

unless you lose ur tooth in styx

[solid glen]

does patroclus restore the tooth btw

its never come up but im curious

[stiff obsidian]

if u lose tooth in that room i think

idk

[solid glen]

@marble quartz you had every house upgrade before beating the game???

how hard did you grind gemstones

and diamonds, for that matter

[marble quartz]

Oh yeah i did

[solid glen]

i dont even have every house upgrade at run ~160

[marble quartz]

I love efficiency farming

Basically i got the +Gems every boss beaten as soon as i could

Never missed a fishing spot

And every run i did was with a different weapon or different heat, so i got many diamonds

[rustic vale]

It’s crazy that you did that prior to getting 10 wins

[marble quartz]

I had like 25 runs and 9 wins

[solid glen]

what

that doesnt make any sense

[marble quartz]

Idk, maybe im wrong on the 25 runs

[solid glen]

i mean

i dont think youve unlocked themes so i guess that saves you 5000 compared to me

[marble quartz]

But i had from 30 to 40 runs maximum

[marble quartz]

Yeah, never cared about themes

All about efficiency

[solid glen]

that still feels extremely quick

[final hinge]

some stuff doesnt even unlocks after several runs, or meeting npcs
or beating the game formerly

[rustic vale]

That’s too many diamondss to have had by run 25 ngl

[solid glen]

thats 28k gems

[marble quartz]

Oh well

[solid glen]

according to wiki

[rustic vale]

They probably just mean work orders

I assume

[solid glen]

oh

[marble quartz]

I didnt knew there was unlockable house upgrades after beating the game

So

[rustic vale]

They were including furniture

[final hinge]

and quests

[solid glen]

well

[rustic vale]

Even then that’s more diamonds that it pheasibly makes sense for you to have by run 25 I think

[solid glen]

furniture is house upgrades

most of the work orders are out of the house even

[rustic vale]

Not really? Not upgrades

Cosmetics

[solid glen]

cosmetics are a kind of upgrade imo

[marble quartz]

I had played other roguelikes... so i was getting to hydra since run 3 or so

[rustic vale]

Yeah but there are a ton of work orders that require diamonds

🤔

[solid glen]

well 30-40 sounds reasonable for all non theme work orders prior to beating the game

25 is low

[final hinge]

and you stop getting rewards since, uhm idk how many runs/ times killing a boss

you played with heat?

[marble quartz]

Just beat the hydra with every weapon, then at every heat, never miss fishing spots, buy some from caronthe

[rustic vale]

Nah that checks out I suppose

[marble quartz]

Yeah, always 1 heat with every weapon, then 2 heat with each...

You could get even more if i saved money for charon actually

[stiff obsidian]

all upgrades on 34 runs is sus

[marble quartz]

Damn guys wish i had my save to prove it lmao

Blame my sister...

[solid glen]

43 diamonds

but thats including story quests which im sure they didnt get

31 diamonds without story quests

that seems a bit less reasonable now

but if you were really mega grinding them out its not impossible

[marble quartz]

I didnt

Didnt even know story quests had diamond requests

[solid glen]

well you got orpheus back right

its like that but further in

[marble quartz]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Breaking all the contracts for the people in story rooms

costs diamonds

[marble quartz]

I even got the erebus gate on last run just for not using them...

[solid glen]

you need to get to heat 5 for them anyways

idk if you saw that

[marble quartz]

Didnt

I was in heat 3 with every weapon

Do the math, heat 3 with almost every weapon plus the non heat runs, 4x6 weapons, already gives you 24 diamonds, plus some fishies and charon shops...

Its easy

[solid glen]

yeah its possible

i mean

youll note thats definitely not 25 runs

actually ig it could be

but it seems unlikely that you won before run 8

[rustic vale]

If you’re at 3 heat with each weapon you should have far more than 8 wins

[solid glen]

oh good point

[rustic vale]

Especially given you can’t skip heat rewards

[solid glen]

wait

yeah that requires a minimum of 13 wins doesnt it

1 heat 0, 6 heat 1, 6 heat 2.

[final hinge]

made it past the styx, only lost one defiance with the champions

2 defiances + skelly tooth rn, i think i can make it

[solid glen]

yeah youve got this

em3? easy hours

[final hinge]

wish i had 3 dashes rn

ive done this hundreds of times, why am i so nervous damn

[solid glen]

dont psyche yourself out

[final hinge]

i only have 6 boons and 2 hammers

[solid glen]

dang!

[final hinge]

and 183/225 hp, wild

[solid glen]

what fo do you have

[final hinge]

rare deadly strike lvl3, curse of pain lvl2, epic divine dash lvl2, nourished soul (carried the whole game ngl) and epic pressure points

[solid glen]

nice nice

[final hinge]

hammers are super nova and piercing wave

[solid glen]

what forced overtime though

[final hinge]

+40%

doesnt feels that fast for bosses, does it even applies?

[solid glen]

okay

i think so

could be wrong

[old bluff]

Forced overtime applies to bosses

[final hinge]

really really bad moment to have family favorite over privileged status

[solid glen]

what would privileged status even do for you

it doesnt look like you even have two status effect boons

[rustic vale]

That’s really all you need

[stiff obsidian]

thats more than i usually have

twice as many hammers and boons

[rustic vale]

This is the ideal time what

You have no status effects

Sorry one singular status effect

[final hinge]

oh damn true, besides doom

tought artemis did something for a moment

[rustic vale]

You need hunters mark for that

[solid glen]

you dont have the marked yeah

[rustic vale]

And then you’d end up with 2 incredibly temporary status effecrs

[final hinge]

nvm guys, i also have the -6 routine inspection

well gg, i have all my survavility perks at max

i hope nem and artemis crits handle this

[solid glen]

wow your pact is evil ngl

youve got it though

[final hinge]

if i fo this ill share it lol

maybe i over handicapped myself

see ya in like 10

[solid glen]

have fun

[final hinge]

hmmmm wait, i have a despicable idea

which are the moments the game auto saves in bossfights? each time you lose a defiance/after vanquishing the boss?

bcs if its only the second one i can do the all life pause > quit bait

[old bluff]

It’s after you get hit

[final hinge]

nvm just realized you cant even alt+f4 between starter encounters

theres was a moment during phase 2 i had 1 defiance left, so i turned on god mode
i had 31 hp and a single urn completely destroyed me lol

[solid glen]

damn!

those urns really do hurt with heightened security on

[final hinge]

it could be that

it was that actually xdddd

[solid glen]

wait did you win or lose

[final hinge]

nvm i think i either leave the game this way, or keep playing for fun

[final hinge]

lose, left Hades at like 30% hp second phase

[solid glen]

ahh

close though!

[final hinge]

gg i guess, pfffft

also a friend asks if he can send a meme he made were Zag and Hypnos kiss

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-zagreus-pretty-gif-13798520475725842726

[mint zenith]

do the hades pots count as traps?

[solid glen]

yes

[final hinge]

yeah im resolved to left this run, maybe worth the effort but not my time

atleast got everything i could

btw is Beowulf really better than Zeus?

i feel that Zeus is slightly better at dealing damage, and its not slower

[indigo badge]

beowulf is for speed, zeus is for heat

[rustic vale]

If zeus is dealing better damage you’re doing something wrong with beowulf

[final hinge]

probably, 20 runs with Zeus vs 3 with Beo

still dont get the hang of it

[indigo badge]

watch a speedrun with it

[rustic vale]

It’s very similiar to Hera but with an entirely different set of casts (aside from Trippy Flare)

[final hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXpTJaz2rS8

ok so youre tellin me that achieving this is easy as that?

also i saw a random post about Arthur aspect being useful for the 32 heat run, how true is that?

[tepid light]

Arthur is still fine in 32 heat

It's upwards of that that Arthur starts being too cumbersome

[rustic vale]

Hey

“The fastest aspect” I’m pretty sure Eris holds that record

In the most ideal setting

Although that may just be because Beowulf can’t do hyper routed nearly as easily due to it dropping casts

[final hinge]

also just realized that since im not going to gift stuff anymore to anyone i can rebind that trigger

fr how can i miss this kind of stuff until someone tells me

[final hinge]

early today i got the legendary boon from Hermes and tought "damn, should have played beo"

[rustic vale]

Nevermind Beowulf is the run-control aspect

I misremembered

Beowulf is infact the fastest aspect

Sub2 run control

[raw herald]

Has it done sub 2 run control? I thought that was Rama

Either way Beowulf has the routed wr as well

Eris hasn’t held that since the 2:40 days

[rustic vale]

I was wrong

[harsh scroll]

Both Nyx and Chaos are on the locked heart for quite a while now, is there something else I need to do for the favor? I've emptied both their dialogue pools

[mint coral]

When in doubt, talk more

[queen dome]

How do i unlock megs locked heart

No spoilers pls b

But ive tried to speak to her for the last 10 runs and nothing has happened

Oh nvm

Yll can spoil me lmal

Lmao*

I got spoilers from a tiktok comment

[autumn jewel]

just do more runs

[queen dome]

Ok

[queen dome]

Its crazy out of all the people ||zagreus will romance her||

[fierce junco]

yes, very fortunate for us

[queen dome]

How do i create a back up save of my game

I wanna mod the game and everything is saying create a backup save

[queen dome]

Imo her personality is bad

Dusa would have been better

[fervent radish]

you can copy the files for your main profile and stick it into a different folder

should be in documents>saved games>hades

[queen dome]

Ok

Also i would have loved to get hypnos as a romance

[fierce junco]

man

[molten horizon]

So y’all know that one tower in the background when Zagreus is looking over Asphodel?

It bears a striking resemblance to the Tower of Babel, and I was wondering, is this intentional?

[deep fulcrum]

Weird question do I have to beat the game in order to get Hades keepsake

[fervent radish]

I think so

You’ll need to give 2 gifts to hades which is locked behind clear or credits iirc

[cloud pagoda]

2 gifts is locked behind credits

[harsh scroll]

Spoilers are allowed in this chat btw

Unless it's from Hades 2

[drowsy crypt]

Dusa is a floating head with childish emotions. Meg at least has some sense of self. Meg is a partner. Dusa is a pet.

[mint coral]

Disgusting

[fervent radish]

Childish emotions like

[old bluff]

This has got to be bait

[lavish sorrel]

(beo for heat too to a certain extent tbh. starts to struggle a tiny bit past 45 or 50 and hits a hard-cap at 60, but that's still better than nearly every other aspect)

[harsh scroll]

How do we tell him?

[wintry idol]

Cool pfp

Sorry

[fierce junco]

thanks boss

[wintry idol]

You seen the upcoming beta branch update?

[fierce junco]

not yet

[wintry idol]

Theres a blog thing on the steam page looks pretty cool

Cant wait but ill stop being off topic

[fierce junco]

ill keep you on speed dial when update drops for 20mtd though

[timid dock]

i have max aspect of demeter and if i put zeus on special it only shows the dmg of one thunder strike thing is that a visual thing and its actually doing multiple lightning strikes or is it just capped to one for demeter even though its technically hitting 7 times

[stiff obsidian]

zeus spec can only hit once every 0.2 sec i think

[timid dock]

then i should get at least more than 1

but it only gives one

would that mean bow builds (cuz of how many times the special hits) are also bad for zeus

[mint coral]

yeah

[stiff obsidian]

bow spec is usually bad anyway

[mint coral]

something something chiron if no zeus icd

[stiff obsidian]

isnt chiron without zeus cd still just average

[old bluff]

Ye

[mint coral]

yeah lol

[timid dock]

aw man i like thunder special builds but aspect of zeus is like the only one that works for me

[drowsy crypt]

Dem and Dio special both get full effect with Chiron

[timid dock]

whats chiron again

[final hinge]

golden bow

second aspect

[timid dock]

the one with seeking?

or the one that loads cast

[final hinge]

seeking special and bonus arrows when upgraded, yes

[final hinge]

thats Hera

[timid dock]

i think i tried that with zues but still only got one thunder strike thing

[cloud pagoda]

lol forgot to unlock Beo after the run where chaos gave me the unlock phrase and on the next run chaos sassed me about it

[drowsy crypt]

I'm not that interested in the story or npc relationship stuff. Is there any use for ambrosia past getting the pet ability i want and all the keepsakes? If not, I'll just turn it into Titan blood

[mint coral]

Leveling companions uses ambrosia too

[rustic vale]

Lightning bolts have an internal cooldown of .2s

If a source hits more often then that against an enemy you’ll only end up with one bolt

Chain lightning like lightning strike only has a cooldown of .15s though

[rancid kayak]

What y’all think the best weapon in hades is

[stiff obsidian]

shield or rail

[queen dome]

Ik but for some people they hate getting spoiled so i like to use spoilers just incase

[final hinge]

def, shield

even when my favorite is Nem Stygius

[half shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1230495419843346463/1359056913698131979/IMG_6851.png?ex=67f617e2&is=67f4c662&hm=9aa7ee32e772f468eaecb2c0a073ead461a46d10a3af7a1c6c10945040f2dc52&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=911&height=912

[gilded quest]

Damn bro 57 runs and only pass 1st life and a half of Hades

[harsh scroll]

You'll get there someday

Fight on

[stiff obsidian]

took me 90

[deep fulcrum]

Was wondering if I unequip the keepsake from Achilles do I lose the bonus

[solid glen]

yes

i suspect youre getting your keepsakes mixed up but its true for the butterfly and plume as well

and all keepsakes

except the coinpurse i guess

[deep fulcrum]

I'm just wondering that's all despite I've only made it to Hades about 5 times now and been only playing for about a week

[solid glen]

ah

fair enough

[manic rivet]

Just got hades on switch after not playing the game for over a year, before I played on Netflix mobile version

I got to hades on my 4th run, the game feels way harder despite using a controller. Maybe the mirror upgrades or something make a big difference?

[solid glen]

they definitely do lol

[rustic vale]

The mirror upgrades make the game night and day lol

[glacial bolt]

Arthemis cast idea 1:
https://www.boonbuilder.com/?weapon=14&boons=%255B4%252C95%252C98%252C99%252C100%252C102%252C106%252C122%252C133%252C140%255D

[old bluff]

This website is a thing?!?

That’s sick

[glacial bolt]

yes

also idea 2:

https://www.boonbuilder.com/?weapon=14&boons=%255B4%252C9%252C10%252C11%252C14%252C15%252C95%252C98%252C99%252C100%252C102%252C106%252C156%255D

which one is more funtional?

[old bluff]

First

But you could combine they with Pos special for mirage and Aphro attack

[glacial bolt]

🤔

[rustic vale]

for both of these

swap artemis aid out for zeus

[gilded quest]

I don’t know much about the hades history but I don’t think gods are that good

I mean they try to kill the player everytime you don’t get his bless

[rustic vale]

Greek Gods are famously moody as all hell

And they always give you their boon afterwards anyways

[solid glen]

Is dark thirst properly random

I've swapped between bow and rail 4 or 5 times now

Which isn't that unlikely but thought I'd check

[fervent radish]

Should be

[gritty cedar]

Where and how did you all get Hades

What platform did you guys get Hades 1 on and how did you all get it (physically or digitally)

[solid glen]

Steam

[gritty cedar]

Nice

[rustic vale]

Switch & Steam

[gritty cedar]

Nice

I got it on Switch. Physical copy too

[rustic vale]

Switch was sometime back in 2020-2021 digitally

[solid glen]

I don't actually own it, I play it with family sharing

[rustic vale]

Steam was 2024

[gritty cedar]

I was gonna get it digitally but I saw a physical copy of it on Gamestop and I was like "why not"

[rustic vale]

My local EBgames did not have a physical copy 😔

Or I guess it’s all the same

They’ve since rebranded to just being gamestop in Canada

[gritty cedar]

Ahh Hades on Switch was nice

Probably will get the sequel on Switch

[final hinge]

steam, this year ig

hmmmmm january i think?

got it as a filling purchase to get steam points, plus my youtube feed was flooded with hades 1 & 2 interactions

[gritty cedar]

lol

I got it on Gamestop for Nintendo Switch, physical copy

it was also a few weeks after Hades 2 got revealed

But I started playing it like in 2023 ish

I beat the main story like in summer of 2024

[zinc trellis]

Switch, digitally
Decided to check it out when it was on sale for $4. I can easily say it’s the best $4 I’ve ever spent in my life

[winter scarab]

Switch digital back when 1.0 happened

I found it randomly while looking through the eshop in 7th grade

[gritty cedar]

nice

I only heard about Hades after hearing the good reviews and it was trending back then

it took a while for me to bite and get it tho

[winter scarab]

I’m so glad I found it cause I wasn’t on YouTube or anything so I prolly wouldn’t have heard of it

[quiet elbow]

I started playing it on the switch after it went on sale

[final hinge]

whats yall favorite theme?

[stiff obsidian]

discord default theme

[final hinge]

i have stygian because when i unlocked em i had like 60 titan blood

but after a few runs seems kinda meh

[stiff obsidian]

i use the one with the clean straight lines idr the name

let me check a victory screen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1325418987307401276/wBVE36r.png?ex=67f6fc5f&is=67f5aadf&hm=a8bdf48fa7cc6fe00e7bad1f066f8097b3a3e53561c636e0e41d4d309d5e67c6&

idr the name

bt. the straight vertical lines on the right look good

[final hinge]

might change mine to sonorous or infinite

the build frame looks visually noisy, and i like it

[stiff obsidian]

o thats specifically why i dont like it

[indigo badge]

do check the name if you remember, i really like how this one looks 👀

[lavish sorrel]

Infinite

[mint coral]

Isn't this something like prince - related name or smth

Or stygian maybe

[stiff obsidian]

i think hades

or something like that

idk the last time i opened that menu

was 2023

[queen dome]

Just found out u can buy a hammer and u can find healing as a reward

[fervent radish]

Healing is only a room reward on first run I think

[queen dome]

I got it with using the secret aspect of the spear

[fervent radish]

That doesn’t change whether you can get healing as a room reward

Guan yu has healing on the spin attack

[queen dome]

Yeah but i got the room reward

[mint coral]

Were you using fated authority?

[queen dome]

Yuh

[graceful wraith]

What, other than hammers, determines the range of Exagryph's shots?
Like does it go farther with more damage, or does it just look like it when the shot has a boon effect on it?

[final hinge]

max range is the same

[indigo badge]

exagryph is the railgun

[final hinge]

PFFFFT HAHAHA

Coronacht is the bow fr

[final hinge]

i think the only major difference is Lucifer aspect, which damage ramps over time

and has a slightly shorter range

[graceful wraith]

Thankies :)

[winter scarab]

Stygian

[fervent radish]

Better Hermes odds

[winter scarab]

Wait in wrong I think it’s princely

[fervent radish]

What

[winter scarab]

Sonorous

[fervent radish]

I think I’ve been using the Artemis themed one

[rustic vale]

Hestia power shot flat out has a longer range

[graceful wraith]

Ah okay. I was watching a friend play and he had Hestia aspect but also got the shotgun hammer so it was a bit difficult to tell
That does explain it

[quiet knoll]

I just found a really funny video that sums up every interaction on the surface between zag and hades, that uses the real-time shadow the hedgehog fandub of all things for the audio and it WORKS, turn on CCs for best experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hj4qJ4rN1c

[zinc trellis]

How do you customize the victory screen?

[final hinge]

you can buy those with the contractor

i believe after finishing the game?
i mean the vanquishing Hades for the first time, and then 10 more times to get the ending

[glacial bolt]

Be honest with me chat

Is support fire bad, is making building around it just as bad?

[old bluff]

Yes

[glacial bolt]

even infinity ammo lucifer+PP cant make this thing work?

[final hinge]

is infinity ammo Lucifer even good?

[old bluff]

It’s meh

Triple bomb is much better

[final hinge]

Lucifer´s thing is damage ramping

[old bluff]

So is targeting system

[final hinge]

triple bomb is fun, indeed

[old bluff]

The damage ramping is kinda sad sadly

[final hinge]

ik Lucifer isnt as good as Eris or Hestia by far, but infinite beam hammer makes it feel way weaker

just at the price of not having to reload

not worth it

[fervent radish]

It’s fine on some builds but don’t build around it

[hot bloom]

I love support fire! Its so funn on the rail gun!

[plucky jasper]

Hey, do you guys know if Zag's aspect counts for the 5 titan blood? (for secret aspects)

I've been trying to get the swords aspect and I'm not sure if I hit the 5 or not because ||Nyx hasn't given me the phrase yet||

[hot bloom]

I wouldnt know sleepy boi.. i just played with each glowing purple weapon and kept raising the heat, eventually i got all of em

[mint coral]

It should work yeah

You do have guan yu revealed already right

[plucky jasper]

Yep! Guan Yu and Beowulf

[mint coral]

Aight yeah it should just be bad rng getting you then

[summer hazel]

I have ever fated prophecy complete except for the wheel release at the well of charon

I have spammed 5 runs trying to reroll for that god damn wheel release

[plucky jasper]

Man.... 🤕 Do you need to bring the sword on runs to trigger the dialogue? Or does any weapon work

[mint coral]

Iirc it can't be the well that's right before Elysium?

[mint coral]

Nope

Only shield/fists need to be carried afaik

The methods are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[plucky jasper]

Okay, thanks

[rustic vale]

No it isn’t lmao

Lucifer’s damaging ramping is hardly acknowledged for most lucifer play

The special just happens to deliver more base damage faster, in an aoe with the larger +% boosts that flourish boons offer

Especially with triple bomb

[final hinge]

[rustic vale]

Lucifer also has stellar hammer odds for tripe bomb

[final hinge]

i swear i only get regular exagryph hammers, not the special ones for Luci aspect

[rustic vale]

Luci only has 9 hammers total

5/9

of the hammers are luci unique hammers

9 hammers is way more consistent than rail’s normal 12 hammers and also just every other weapon

[final hinge]

good thing im playing Hades again

[solemn hazel]

Can someone give me a good build for achilles spear

I beated hades once but I can't beat him again

[fervent radish]

start tidal dash and look for zeus or artemis attack

any good cast should work

[fierce junco]

lets go i was right

still got it 💪

[final hinge]

Beo is cool once you get how to play it

spamming short rushes loaded with your 3 casts demolishes everything

also after i land from my rush instead of dashing, i stay there and block again until my casts come back to me

any other tip?

[lavish sorrel]

Load only two at a time, then use a bullrush with the third one to go back where the two other casts dropped so you can pick them up

(There is more nuance to it than that, but already by adding that to your gameplay you should get a significantly higher damage-output than currently.)

[final hinge]

i usually load just 1 to rush, the second when im there and the third one when i land
like a combo

[lavish sorrel]

No, split your casts

I'm saying, don't just blindly mash the cast button

You'll get more damage out by splitting 2 <-> 1

[final hinge]

i dont, after two runs of doing that i felt something was wrong and i made up my own strat... now ik it isnt as good as i tought

gotcha, i´ll try it tomorrow

today i just focused on maxing out all aspects, and reaching 20 heat with Rama aspect and Demeter aspect

well with coronacht and malphon, heat doesnt counts aspects but you get me

[lavish sorrel]

Heat per aspect and speed per aspect are tracked in the administrative chamber

[final hinge]

tracked but not rewarded i mean

i also want to change my current theme, stygian is kinda boring

maybe to sonorous or infernal

[queen dome]

I just killed the champion in under 20 seconds💀

[ebon urchin]

So... How the hell do you beat ||Charon|| ?

[glacial bolt]

dusa's petrify works on bosses?

[stiff obsidian]

no

dusa companion is ass

dont use it

[glacial bolt]

I think its okay on critical reversal builds

[stiff obsidian]

meta is meg, with the other usable ones being than and bouldy

other two are practically unusable, i think the dusa one got me killed once

[glacial bolt]

Deadly Reversal makes medusa critical stike for 70+ damage per shot

[mint coral]

Why would reversal work on dusa

[indigo badge]

dusa blocks your railgun shots which nearly got me killed in the elysium butterfly ball miniboss

[indigo badge]

he has a small and easy moveset, he just hits for big damage

[ebon urchin]

I wouldn' call that easy...
Are there builds/weapons more suited?

[indigo badge]

bow and gun, so you can stay away from him while dealing damage

his oar swings are the biggest threat

or at least as far as i remember, haven't fought him for a while

[ebon urchin]

noticed! also I don't I have a good enough control of my dodges I often end up in a cloud.

Thanks.
I guess a crit gun works on everything.
But I'll need practice.
Are there ways to increase the odds of ||the bag|| appearing?

[indigo badge]

nope, it's 22% per shop

[ebon urchin]

ok... rng then.
Thanks for your help.
I don't see my self beating him twice in a row!
I still lose to daddy dearest too often to boast!

[indigo badge]

practice makes perfect

[fervent radish]

70 damage is not that much

[glacial bolt]

I dunno, it just does + hunters mark makes her consistenly trigger it by herself.

[mint coral]

Oh you have hunter mark lmfao

That's what's causing her to crit

[stiff obsidian]

70 is still tiny

[glacial bolt]

i mean yeah

[mint coral]

Iirc dusa does have the theorical best dmg lol

But not being burst makes it bleh

(and is assuming it lands all shots)

[stiff obsidian]

doesnt even stun minibosses

thats when i realized its hot garbage

[harsh scroll]

Some days ago I ended up getting Heart Rend on Arthur with Sweet Surrender and Clean Kill and damn

Every 4th swing nuked dad

[fervent radish]

mfw i have to wait 10 seconds to do significant damage

[indigo badge]

arthur "fans" waiting 3 work days for a single attack to connect (savior perk just gave everyone 4 shields)

[latent moon]

It's not 2 times in a row when you have a chance, you can just take the two fights whenever you feel ready

Probably in Ely when your build is more ready

[ebon urchin]

Oh, I see.
But you need to defeat him two times in a row, right?
If you win one time and lose the next fight the counter resets ?

[indigo badge]

yes

[ebon urchin]

Hm.
I'm probably too out of practice.
I guess I'll have to try everytime I see his door.

[latent moon]

Yeah but like you can skip the fight if you don't feel ready

You don't always have to take the fight when you see it

[ebon urchin]

Well I haven't beaten him once.
So for now I need training!
Plus I have a lot of keepsakes to upgrade!

Thanks!

[normal steppe]

Just a note, it'll only show up in the shop midway through a biome, never the last shop before the boss. That drove me crazy for a while, wondering why I couldn't find it

[final hinge]

YO, 32 heat challenge done

super easy with Artemis Beo

[queen dome]

I have done just abt everything in the game soon lol

[summer hazel]

Is there a trick to get the flame wheel release to show up in the well? It's the last thing I need to do for the fated list

[north sonnet]

When can i get demeter boons? As u could guess im few days in my first save

[mint coral]

Reach final boss

[mint coral]

Just save rolls for Elysium wells

[north sonnet]

Aight thx

[summer hazel]

I've been doing this haha, 5+ runs with 4-6 rolls saved. Trying to grab all the keys possible along the way to get more rolls.

I guess I'm just unlucky

[indigo badge]

it's one of the rarest well items

[mint coral]

Ig if you only want the item you can turn off dark foresight

So you can get more keys

[queen dome]

How do i copy my save i wanna try out mods and they all say to do that

[indigo badge]

if you mean the speedrunning modpack it doesn't need you to alter saves

[queen dome]

Not that but some mods say may corrupt save file and i wanna copy my save file so i have a backup if it happens

[mint coral]

Check #h1-tech-fixes for your save file location

[queen dome]

Ok

[mint coral]

Then once you make a copy you can rename the number to put it in a different slot

Profile01.sav to profile02.sav for example

[queen dome]

Ok

[winter scarab]

U are talking about the companion right?

If so that’s the base damage anyways

[fervent radish]

speedrunning modpack shouldn't corrupt save file

just don't use it's run history wipe function

[glacial bolt]

ye

[molten dock]

guess who almost beat the second level

[final hinge]

Asphodel?

[plucky jasper]

what on earth are the conditions for ||hypnos & thanatos's favors|| 🤕 (unless it's totally rng based...)

[autumn jewel]

keep talking ||with hypnos (and than)||
||beat thanatos when he approaches||

[plucky jasper]

oh man so it really is just rng 😢

[indigo badge]

hypnos is especially infamous for taking a while

[plucky jasper]

i maxed out his heart gauge like ~10 runs ago HUHUU

[final hinge]

i got it at like, run 120

[autumn jewel]

I got it without even noticing

I just read all ! dialogues and boom

[stiff obsidian]

i didnt know stuff like favors existed

just completed the game naturally

[autumn jewel]

[glacial bolt]

i've seen videos of Thanathos almost oneshotting people

how does that work? is the damage like affected by something

[stiff obsidian]

wdym

the companion?

[glacial bolt]

yes

[mint coral]

Was it a haelian video

Than can backstab if you have blinding flash

[glacial bolt]

i see

[glacial bolt]

is he affected by hunters mark/rendered heart?

[mint coral]

Also that yeah

[glacial bolt]

🤔

[mint coral]

Hunter's mark is a debuff on the enemy so anything can crit with it

(also sweet surrender/maim/targeting system)

These all follow the wording of "the enemy takes more dmg"

[glacial bolt]

is it time to theorize the true tha oneshot

[mint coral]

Vs something like pressure points that says "you have a chance to deal crit dmg"

[wise nexus]

You know there’s few things I hate more than 3 Megagorgons at the same time, I would ask for tips but I feel like I’m just gonna be told I need to dodge more

[mint coral]

Is this em4 dad @wise nexus

[wise nexus]

Yeah, with Talos Aspect

[mint coral]

Do you have summons yet?

And can use them vs dad

[wise nexus]

I had Dusa, which sorta helped but it was avoiding 3 sets of stone projectiles while dear old dad keeps doing his triple swipe or double spin. Basically no opening, managed to make it half way through phase 2 but I only had Skelly’s Tooth by then

[mint coral]

Ah

Do you have meg's

For em4 I generally save my summon for the last phase if the summons suck

[wise nexus]

Unfortunately no, she’s been at the cap for hearts for, oh I don’t know, 20-30 runs now and still won’t appear in the bedroom to let me progress her friendship

I’m starting to take it personally

[mint coral]

Rip

[wise nexus]

On the plus side I’m about to get Achilles so it could be worse

[mint coral]

Another solution for those enemies is luck out into breaching cross

[wise nexus]

Hmm, well I decided a break on a low heat would help so when I get back there in a few runs hopefully it’ll be better

And with better boons

[stiff obsidian]

typo

[wise nexus]

I’m ruined

Can’t show my face again

[fierce junco]

😔

[glacial bolt]

how does Eurydice reset works?

[fierce junco]

Whenever you fight the main boss for that region you have the first 3-5 instances of damage blocked

[supple eagle]

3-5, I swore it was lower.

[fierce junco]

You just get them back at the next main boss, but its usually wiser to only use on elysium or styx because you miss out on other keepsakes

[mint coral]

Do you mean save scumming the ambrosia deligt

[glacial bolt]

yes, cuz its not working anymore

[old bluff]

Did you stand in lava?

[glacial bolt]

idk

[rustic vale]

You have to shift a different amount of rng each time you re-enter the chamber

breaking pots and having cast stones hit the floor shift it by 1 each time

[dusky moat]

guys i cant get nyx to say about the eldest sigil, i got both chaos and nyx maxed with nectar, any help?

[final hinge]

Its rng

[dusky moat]

yeah but she doesnt say anything, she just says ,, we'll talk later '' or something

[final hinge]

And keep talking with em if you already gave enough nectar to the both of em

[dusky moat]

oh maybe i should with chaos now

[final hinge]

Common thing, before getting Beowulf aspect after like 30 runs Chaos just said stuff like "keep grinding son of Hades"

[dusky moat]

oh that would make sense cause im also trying to get dusa's companion and i did all the 12 renovations including rugs and cleaning after cerber and she just tells ,, i have to go for now ''

[drifting lance]

I can't find the motivation to complete the story by winning runs repeatedly after defeating Hades for the first time, lol. I mean there is God mode, but enabling that wouldn't give me satisfaction... 😩

[winter scarab]

10 clears to credits

[drifting lance]

Huh, I expected more. And I'll find out everything about all the gods and etc.?

[winter scarab]

After that just get max relationship with 6/9 olympians for epilogue

That’s where the underworld/olpumpus tensions get resolved one way or another

[waxen flame]

Does there have to be a bond or just max nectar?

[winter scarab]

A bond for all except Demeter where having her at the locked heart counts

Demeter unlocks after a dialouge post epilouge

[waxen flame]

Oh ok

[glacial bolt]

How does the weird dedalous metal thing works, the one in the temple of stynx?

how do i get different hammers? do i need to reset X times or

[final hinge]

The anvil?

[glacial bolt]

ye

[final hinge]

Removes one of your hammer upgrades hammer and gives you 2 random ones

[glacial bolt]

yeah but like, how do i reset which hammers it gives?

[final hinge]

Is random

When you buy it you'll see a shine in your build bar on the left and hear some clunking noises

You cant pick which to change

[glacial bolt]

🤔

[final hinge]

Or which to get

[final hinge]

Tbh i dont get what you mean, how to get rid of those 2 hammers?

[mint coral]

Is rng manip

[glacial bolt]

Like, lets say, i get flying kick and long knuckle, i reset/quit, come back and still get those, how do i change those i get? since i still get the same each reset

[mint coral]

Should be similar stuff to eury

Go through codex/throw casts/have voicelines trigger

If you have tunnels left you can also go through them and try again

[final hinge]

Ah reset seed, no idea xd

[rustic vale]

You can save scum it

Identical to Eury and Bouldy

Shifting rng is all the same

[glacial bolt]

how 2

[rustic vale]

To manip anvil/ other things, you need to keep quiting out of the game after you buy it. Everytime you reload, you’ll have the same rng value. You can push the rng value of the seed by one by having a cast stone hit the ground, summoning, and breaking pots. Essentially you just quit out of the game and do one of those actions one more time than the last time you did it

and you’ll end up with a new result

so I’d pick up anvil, get some crappy hammers, and then quit out of the game. Loading back in, I’d cast once, buy it, see my new options, and quit out of the game again and load back in, casting twice this time.

Rinse repeat till you get what you want (typically just dropping a bad hammer)

[glacial bolt]

ty

[final hinge]

whats the highest heat you gotta reach to get the "no bounties left for this weapon" note?

[stiff obsidian]

heat

20

[final hinge]

but play with 1 more heat each time, right?

bcs when i did a 25 heat stygius run all i got was darkness from bosses, but when doing a 32 heat run with Beo i got the actual rewards

[stiff obsidian]

if u have a bounty left u can do any heat equal to or higher than that bounty lvl and it will complete that bounty

[final hinge]

i see

[thin fog]

Do you stop getting Titan blood from Meg ?

[indigo badge]

after 20 heat

[final hinge]

my anxiety demands to push all weapons to 20 heat now

[indigo badge]

if you've been fishing and doing prophecies you won't really need the bounties

i have +20 leftover titan blood

and have only done 2/3 of bounties at best

[final hinge]

yeah i had like 56 one, mainly bcs i only played with two weapons

and the same aspect always

[thin fog]

how do you get more after then?

switch weapons?

[rustic vale]

Yep

you end up a bit short but you use prophecies, trading and fishing to do the rest

[thin fog]

do you need to unlock fishing?

[rustic vale]

Every resource in Hades is infinitely renewable without fishing

You just lose out on some prophecies and codex entries and just get your resources slower without it

It’s a worthwhile unlock to play a 1-10s minigame every few rooms

[autumn jewel]

also forging a bond with poseidon requires you to fish

[brisk trail]

Some tips for the final hades boss? I beat all the rooms before him easy, but lose to him

Bro consumes all my death denials i feel like he no joke is harder than every single room before him combined

[harsh scroll]

Try using Acorn

And obviously learn his patterns. Timing is crucial

[spiral bluff]

Just beaten extreme measures hades for the first time

In the first try

(i did use the dio achiles build

[zinc trellis]

The Poseidon/Demeter duo boon is quite fun

[final hinge]

Either anything else people already said, and or play with the shield

[final hinge]

Playing runs with modifiers, the ones you get after beating the game for the first time

Each run with more modifiers making it harder, or with another weapon

[zinc trellis]

second phase is easier than first phase imo so try to conserve your health more during phase 1

[thin fog]

I’m still stuck on the Minotaur and king fight

[waxen flame]

Kill the minotaur first

He will jump you out of nowhere

[mint coral]

#h1-for-new-players message heroes tips

[fringe umbra]

This game has become my comfort activity. The colors look very good at max brightness when i just want to laze in the hub area.

[final hinge]

how easy is to mod the game?
the Nexus page asks for a lot of required tools for just a mod

i just want the codex mod to unlock missing themes and play with custom runs

[glacial bolt]

Whats a good Athena Attack build?

[stiff obsidian]

the only thing i can imagine building around athena atk is deadly reversal

[harsh scroll]

I remember doing a Gilgameme run using Hermes atk and Athena atk

Anything but dash

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-sunday-solitude-loser-gif-500014535879778938

[tidal hazel]

I just reached hades for the first time and the fight feels impossible, what aspects are good and who do i use nectar on

[final hinge]

You give nectar to npcs

And olympians

[tidal hazel]

Which ones? Because I know if you give 3? I think to certain characters you get something?

[final hinge]

The first you gift to em you get a keepsake, keep gifting and talking with wm to make progress in their quests and make bonds

[final hinge]

Literally anyone you can talk to, even Cerberus and Chaos

Check your codex, each heart means gifting one nectar until reaching the heart with a lock

[tidal hazel]

What do you get for filling the hearts?

[final hinge]

Not an item, you get interactions, lines, you even help some like Achilles and Orpheus with their unfinished business as shades

And a chibi of the character in their keepsake

[tidal hazel]

Alright thanks

Do you think thick skin is better than high confidence?

[mint coral]

Yeah

Unless you have high confidence yourself and are speedrunning

[fervent radish]

Shields and rails are good

Every aspect is pretty useable for first clear

If you give an aspect or weapon you enjoy using I can give you the best build for it

[tidal hazel]

Zeus shield, and any rail, rail is what I got furthest with and I enjoy using shield most

[fervent radish]

Zeus shield you can do Zeus on special and static discharge

Look for explosive return, Artemis, ares, Dio, etc

[short trench]

What would tall say is the best and worst weapon

Stick are you stupid both games have weaponfsn

[mint coral]

Bot doesn't read your msgs

It just makes sure the msg is at the bottom

[stiff obsidian]

rail best fist worst ezzzz

[late rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/pluh-cat-cat-meme-caption-worldbox-gif-8990606681903386683

[autumn jewel]

unread message
looks inside
stickybot

[raw herald]

photochad

[autumn jewel]

photochad

[summer hazel]

Yikes EM4 is hard.

[harsh scroll]

Expectedly so

[radiant yew]

I accidentally friend zoned Thanatos. It is my first time playing hades and I know you can romance characters. Should I speed run a new game file? I use a Mac

[waxen flame]

I REFUSE to talk dusa

Don’t like her

[winter scarab]

Dude how is friend zone without space banned

But anyways you can get all the ambrosia back once you max her relationship

[stiff obsidian]

lmao

lmfaooo

crazy

[stiff obsidian]

same

[final hinge]

Youll just miss the uhmm, intimacy scene iirc

Not worth trashing your file

[radiant yew]

Ok.

[fervent radish]

Best is rail worst is fist

[zinc trellis]

I've never done a successful clear with the fists lol

I've done multiple clears with every other weapon

but the fist just sucks to use

[indigo badge]

try merciful end on them

or even just zeus attack with static discharge

[final hinge]

I did my first clear with the fists 😭

[zinc trellis]

my first clear was with Zag Rail

but at that point I had like 50% DR through god mode

y'all I suck at gaming btw

[final hinge]

first clear was with 80%

then got to the epilogue, and stopped using it

i still get hit, but barely

also i think my fastest clear was also with the fists, how? no idea

nvm it was with Nem Stygius
from 20-26 mins per run to 17 minutes

but i have a 19 minutes one with the fists

[zinc trellis]

I think my fastest clear was when I had Aspect of Poseidon + Exit Wounds + Fully Loaded + 1 extra cast from well

I was MELTING the bosses

[final hinge]

just had one of my best runs btw, Beo with Artemis attack and cast + pressure points and clean kill

first time against EM Hades... i expected a better line after that but heh, i really enjoyed that run

[solid glen]

huh

how strange! it really is specifically friend zone without a space

[final hinge]

i assume someone used it as an insult long ago so the word is shadowbanned now

[hard swan]

But why

[short trench]

Skill issue

[fervent radish]

Lmao sure

[short trench]

(Joke)

[stiff obsidian]

no joke

[glacial bolt]

Does eris aspect special applies to itself?

[lavish sorrel]

Define "to itself"

[stiff obsidian]

Yes

[glacial bolt]

If i use the special damage buff on myself, does my next special deals bonus damage too?

[lavish sorrel]

Yes

eris buff is "global", meaning any damage you yourself deal goes through this buff.

[glacial bolt]

You sure? doesnt seem that way, or maybe its some damage modifier going wrong?

[lavish sorrel]

If you're standing in your special and not letting the buff run out, your special gets buffed like everything else about zagreus

To be clear, the buff does not stack. Re-applying it just resets the duration

[glacial bolt]

Ok!

[stiff obsidian]

If you use the special for buff even that special gets the bonus damage

Eris is goated that way

[tepid light]

False what is with your name

[harsh scroll]

What's so special about Malphon that every NPC is surprised to hear of it, claiming to be super dangerous and all when all the other weapons are considerably better 😭

[mint coral]

At least most of the gods remember grandma Demeter using it firsthand

Per the codex description she grinded one of the titans to dist

All the other weapons are better yes but no other weapon has you kill them with your own hands

[tidal hazel]

I thought i beat hades for the first time. ||He has a second phase||.

I was so happy

[mint coral]

Classic

[tidal hazel]

Fists with doom and athena stuff op though

[mint coral]

Merciful end gaming?

[harsh scroll]

Had a Beowulf run dealing over 2k damage with each flare sequence. Is that how people play it

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[old bluff]

2k is pretty low for a Beo build

They usually get to 3.5-4k

[hard swan]

Happen to me too

And I get claped

👍

[harsh scroll]

I'm doing bounties on a Hell mode file I'm not going for nuke casting yet

Though I'm guessing it takes a lot of Chaos to get that high

[old bluff]

It’s mostly wells and rd

Chaos is def very useful

[glacial bolt]

How does Beowulf works?

[queen dome]

Is there a mod where i can access the song sheet while im escaping?

[brisk trail]

Sup

I’m new to hades

[rustic vale]

Have you used Hera before?

It’s Hera but with shield bullrush and all the casts are swapped for new versions of themselves

[glacial bolt]

no

[rustic vale]

When you pick up the aspect the game tells you how it controls in the top left

[queen dome]

Whats the shout?

[rustic vale]

It’s shield but you can hit the cast button to load a cast into your bullrush

[queen dome]

Im looking at the codex mod and theres some "uses your shout with max wrath"

[rustic vale]

which fires it off at the point where your bullrush ends

[rustic vale]

…is that codex mod for Hades 1?

[queen dome]

Yuh

[rustic vale]

That sounds like it could mean “use your call at full gauge”

Which would make sense

[queen dome]

Yuh it is

[tidal hazel]

How do you unlock the aspect of arthur? And how much titan blood does it cost?

[queen dome]

Will there be more meg "scenes"

[mint coral]

#h1-story-discussion pinned messages

[tidal hazel]

Is extra death defiance better for final floor ad opposed to 50+ health? I have 3 death defiances

So equip lucky tooth or keep the collar?

[final hinge]

it depens on how much hp you have

[tidal hazel]

325

[final hinge]

how skilled you are to beat the final boss

and you have 3 defiances, seems pretty enough for me

[tidal hazel]

Haven’t beat it yet but got it to ||second stage|| 3 times

[final hinge]

no need to spoiler in this chat

[tidal hazel]

Alright

So keep the collar?

Because the 3 death defiances will heal me for more if i have the collar on right?

[final hinge]

it´ll replenish a higher % of health yeah

well not a higher, it will always restore 50% of your total health

but you get me

[tidal hazel]

So in this situation extra health> lucky tooth?

[final hinge]

i still would prefer a last chance

it´s just a 30 hp extra per defiance difference if you keep the collar

[tidal hazel]

Thanks

[final hinge]

you got this

[tidal hazel]

Might beat hades, got a nasty build with zeus shield with zeus special, legendary and jolted

And athena dash

[harsh scroll]

I wanna invite Chaos to the function again but he and Nyx just won't progress the favor anymore man

How am I supposed to invite them to the epilogue like this

[final hinge]

shield is pretty much enough

[rain patrol]

Hi

[fervent radish]

Acorn

[rain patrol]

Guys can you give me tips on how to beat Theseus and Asterius?

[final hinge]

take down the bull first

his moveset is usually
attack, attack, jump towards you
when he charges stay close to a pillar so he can hit it instead of you

no need to say staying behind him is the best

[tidal hazel]

I beat him

Beautiful ending

Top 5 games of all time

[rain patrol]

I know how to deal with the bull but how to deal with the dumb A of theseus

[final hinge]

and for Theseus, his only two attacks are the spear and the circle

dodge the spear when the crosshair aimed at you gets red, and get quickly behind him

pretty much the same for the 360 spear attack

[rain patrol]

Ok

[final hinge]

and pray for him to not summon Ares or Dionysus

[rain patrol]

That happend to me back to back

[mint coral]

?

Anyways if you don't like a specific god being summoned, taking their boons stops that

[fervent radish]

demeter is probably the worst

Which is funny because I want her boons the least

[whole dragon]

I unlocked exalted hero and princess portrait, gonna grind to get it for a couple of hours

[gilded quest]

Usings aspect of Zeus feels like cheating

[final hinge]

wait until you try aspect of Beowulf

[fervent radish]

it is

[tidal hazel]

Why do I only get titan blood sometimes when it feels like im getting the gem and ambrosia more?

Whats the rates like is it every certain amount of runs?

[solid glen]

in what context?

the styx store? or regular boss rewards?

Styx store can either have diamond or Titan blood. It's just rng as far as I know, but I don't know what the odds are.

For boss rewards it's not random, you get one of each reward per weapon per heat.

The pact of punishment tells you what you've already gotten, if you've beaten a run

[final hinge]

Why is Hades 1 so gooood

it´s probably my favorite roguelite, even when at this point it shoud feel like i´m already getting the same meta upgrades and the same times per run
everything feels so fun to play

[tidal hazel]

Where do i find the pact of punishment?

[final hinge]

at the door each time you start a run

the heat meter tells you if you have bounties left for a certain level of heat, or to play with more heat than last run to get more

[harsh scroll]

What's the best flare on Beowulf now I'm curious

[mint coral]

Poseidon > aphro >>>>> dio

Dio has the highest ceiling but inconsistent af

[glacial bolt]

Whats the point of chaos shield

is it just bad or what

[mint coral]

Yup

[fervent radish]

Play it like the base shield

[gilded quest]

What weapon

[fervent radish]

Shield

Also Zeus and Beowulf are both strong, just in different ways

[glacial bolt]

Honestly i just did a razor shoals build where i used the multi special to cause as many debuffs as possible, then gor hunters mark and PP and the razor shoals keep procking Hunter mark into each other and the whole room was dead after a single special throw, so idk

[fervent radish]

At low heat basically anything works so yeah

Doom and hangover are both valid as well

[glacial bolt]

this was 23 heat

[fervent radish]

I don’t want to sound rude but that’s still low heat

It’s atleast low enough where anything works

[glacial bolt]

[fervent radish]

Real tbh

I’ve seen the special used until like 50 or so

After that it’s a struggle for dps

[glacial bolt]

Well, at least wanna give it a try and tell me if it was just a looking room?

[fervent radish]

Lucky room?

[glacial bolt]

lucky run*

[fervent radish]

I’ve tried it with hangover at 50, didn’t have fun

I will give it a shot for you 🙏

[glacial bolt]

Poseidon special into razor + Hunters mark and PP

thats the build.

[fervent radish]

Ait

At 50 or

[glacial bolt]

havent played that much heat lol

[tidal hazel]

How do i check my affinity with certain characters

[mint coral]

Codex

[fervent radish]

alright so i gave it a shot and i have a few thoughts. you didn't necessarily have a lucky run. you played well and cleared the game. But at 23 heat, the game is less demanding on dps and safety. Chaos is tough because you have to wait until the shields come back to special again and you also can't block when the specials are out. This hinders dps a lot and there isn't a lot of room for that at higher heats

you didn't win because poseidon on chaos is a particularly good combo, you won because razor shoals is good and crits are good. it would be far better to start tidal dash and build the same way while ignoring the special

the WR for chaos uses charged shot in an attack focused build and special just isn't really seen as a viable tool at that level

[glacial bolt]

Ah ok!

[fervent radish]

i will say that if you enjoy something, don't play something less enjoyable just because it's the meta. As much as we think we know what's best, new stuff is discovered sometimes

[glacial bolt]

Oh yeah, there is a reason why Beo and Merciful end are my least used builds

stuffs op, and takes some fun out of the game for me.

[fervent radish]

Ah just bump up the heat then

[glacial bolt]

I dont particularly enjoy the higher end heat dificulty options tbh

[fervent radish]

valid

[glacial bolt]

yeah i play games to have fun and be wack, now you putting a time limit? nah lol

[indigo badge]

everything works in low heat, but that doesn't mean everything is fun

and chaos shield is definitely not fun 😤

[fervent radish]

the time limit is fun

[glacial bolt]

subjectively.

[harsh scroll]

Chaos shield if the extras could ricochet 📈 📈 📈

[indigo badge]

chaos shield if you could still block while using special 🚀 🚀

[fervent radish]

no such thing as objective fun lol

or objective quality for that matter

[glacial bolt]

Merciful end begin objectivly strong

[stiff obsidian]

chaos shield if it threw out 5 attacks instead of specials

[mint coral]

Welcome back cluster rocket

[shell wigeon]

Hiiii I’m new to hades :0 anyone have advice on who I should give my nectars to?

I’ve been saving them

[solid glen]

i would head to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers :)

[shell wigeon]

Oh ooos! Okay ty

[glacial bolt]

So is Beo Demeter just... bad?

It cant use none of what would make it good, like parting shot, or cold embrace (this is a shield)

[raw herald]

Icy flare is garbage but snow burst and ravenous will are some of the best support boons you can get for beo

Just don’t take rare crop

After Artemis and Poseidon, imo the best third/4th gods are Demeter and Dionysus for this build

[rustic vale]

Icy flare is easily the worst beowulf flare

It’s damage output sucks, it has a negative bug attached to it that I’m failing to remember the impact of, and it doesn’t even benefit from mirage shot

[glacial bolt]

Ok!

[rustic vale]

The good points for beowulf are her other boons

Just don’t touch her cast

[glacial bolt]

Is Zeus the opposite?

[stiff obsidian]

no

[rustic vale]

Zeus is the same on beowulf

You also don’t really want to touch his cast

But his call is still one of the best dps options and aspect choice never really changes that

[glacial bolt]

really? im readting the stuff in the wiki and says the beo cast is affected by high voltage and double strike unlike the normal cast.

[rustic vale]

…well yeah his cast literally just drops a lightning bolt

it gets buffed by the lightning bolt upgrades

[glacial bolt]

So its better than normal cast in that way, albeit, still, you are better running off Poseidon for sea storm at the end of the day its the same but better due vulnerable proc thing

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t deal cast damage last time I checked

so you don’t get any damage buffs from chaos

[glacial bolt]

Really? this is worth testing?

[rustic vale]

I don’t have the time nor my device on me to test this atm

It’s just what I remember about how the casts work

[glacial bolt]

i will later today, if you want me to notice you

[mint coral]

Yeah the cast itself has 0 dmg lol

You can see this when getting a cast swap

[rustic vale]

It deals damage, but the lightning bolt isn’t a cast

Iirc

[glacial bolt]

we talking about zeus beo

not normal zeus cast