h1-discussion

[tepid light]

And again

Saving stuff for Hades 2

Who pinged me

[obsidian tartan]

I did. somebody already found an interview on it. I still think it's odd they chose not to use the Olympian god for those upgrades but I guess they function differently from other boons

I somehow havent ran into zeus since my second run and I really need his talisman

chaos has to be one of my favourite designs in the game

[obsidian tartan]

I only have the gun left for escaping with every weapon. hoping I get zeus next time I play

[indigo badge]

wait until you learn about egyptian mythology 🫵😂🔥💯

[tepid light]

lbr pretty much any polytheistic religion is like that

chinese mythology

[obsidian tartan]

Is there a god for having a god for anything

[tepid light]

That's just another word for the designated 'ruler of gods'

[prisma stratus]

I just want to say the worst thing about Hades 1 is that Hades 2 has gotten most of the fan art. It feels unfair. There's no Justice in this world. I need more normalish Megaera x Zagreus art./ Megaera art. There's not enough. Also some of the other characters too.

[tepid light]

Are you sure that your view isn't being skewed by the fact that Hades 2 is a new game while Hades 1 has been out for a while

So the Hades 2 art is more 'visible'

[prisma stratus]

No I've literally looked and seen the numbers on art collection sites. Hades 2 has at least , ' 3 times at least the amount of art right now in total. I think half of it is because it's built on the back of the popularity that Hades 1 built up. I'm mostly being intentionally dramatic but yeah I wish there was more art. But I'll commission much more stuff at some point.

[tepid light]

Well that settles the matter, then

Seems pretty evident why Hades 2 has more art than 1

[prisma stratus]

It wasn't a question. I was complaining

Or in anguish over the situation .

[tepid light]

You're free to vent I guess

[obsidian tartan]

I have no idea how I'm going to beat theseus and asterius with the gun

[mint coral]

Do ypu have zeus's keepsake

[obsidian tartan]

Yes, I got it this run luckily. I just beat them but I'm down to one revive not counting skelly's talisman

and I don't have a call

[mint coral]

Not the end of the world tbh

[indigo badge]

calls aren't very important to your build

they can be helpful, but not necessary

[obsidian tartan]

I managed to win the run. I got another death defiance from the well, Ares' call and jolted. turns out I was off about my first win and it was run 6 not 5 though

the gun has to be my least favourite weapon though. It took almost an hour

[indigo badge]

it takes some learning

i also hate it personally but if you learn it you can definitely kick ass

[obsidian tartan]

if I didn't have homing I would have 100% died on theseus and asterius

I was also hoping for zeus whose keepsake I didn't have so I was doing base damage for a floor and a half

[mint coral]

Yeah no zeus attack is gonna feel bad lmfao

Could have gone dio thp

[obsidian tartan]

That would have been infinitely more efficient. I didn't even get jolted until the styx which I had to buy from the shop

I think I might just do reruns with the bow to get some of the quests out of the way then start adding the skulls to my run

I have no idea how people manage to clear each floor in five minutes. that's an insane constraint

[obsidian tartan]

and I need darkness since I could really use the higher starting health

[mint coral]

Time remaining gets added for the next region so is not always 5 mins per biome

The idea is to go fast tart/aspho so you have spare time for ely/styx

Also answering your aspects question in new players
There's a pinned guide there about the power you can expect from each aspect

[obsidian tartan]

Tysm

[lavish sorrel]

if it is run 5, that'd make you tied for the earliest first casual-player win I've heard of

[obsidian tartan]

I think it was 6, unfortunately. I’ve got a 6 run streak and the scrying pool says 11 runs

[fervent radish]

A lot of people play all of the weapons to some extent before one tricking something they really like but it’s up to you

[obsidian tartan]

For me the bow clicked instantly and I just did that until I won. Probably more important is getting Olympian’s (and Skelly’s and Hypnos’) keepsakes to better rig your runs and figuring out which boons you like

[half dove]

what are the names of those keepsakes? if you know off the top of your head

[obsidian tartan]

I don’t remember the names but you get a keepsake your first time giving nectar to an npc and all the Olympian gods you encounter on your run give you a keepsake guaranteeing they’ll show up at the start of that floor besides Hermes (his gives you a chance to auto dodge a hit). The skeleton in the weapon select rook gives you another revive and Hypnos’ (the guy holding a stack of papers right by the pool you respawn out of) gives you extra money for that run

Also, if you haven’t gotten the upgrade allowing you to switch keepsakes at the start of a floor I very strongly recommend that

[half dove]

okay i have definitely gotten skelly’s then. and i have hypnos’ as well. i will have to get that upgrade then next

[obsidian tartan]

It’s done by the house contractors right beside Hades’ desk. I think it’s only 20 gemstones

[iron epoch]

Bone Hydra is very marketable if you ask me (bone Hydra merch when)

[woven kite]

Wait is getting gilgamesh to the end the end of the game??? I just did it and lots of credits ;_;

Cuz his mom is on the boat and everything

[rustic vale]

…you just finished the tutorial really

There is still a load more Hades for you to play, more story

You’re only a fraction of the 21020 voicelines in game in

[woven kite]

Oh

I see

[rustic vale]

You get credits at your 10th escape

but there’s still an epilogue and the game isn’t over once you finish it either

[woven kite]

Awesome ty

[timid hearth]

hello, trying to whipe up the last few achievements left.
I've noticed that there are 3 skelly trophies that you achieve by completing runs with pacts of punishment.

I have completed a run with 8 pacts active, and the next trophy requires 16. I am assuming that the third trophy will require 20?
If so, will a successful run with 20 pacts active unlock both the second and the third trophy all at once?

[lavish sorrel]

for the statues, think in powers of 2
last one does not grant an achievement, only exists for aestetics

and one can not unlock all statues at once by doing a 32 heat run to unlock first statue, afaik, since they need to be revealed one at a time.

[timid hearth]

understood, thanks for the info

[junior helm]

how am i supposed to deal with the rats when using gauntlets

ive gotten very far with them

but i always end up dying to poison

[lavish sorrel]

every styx chamber has one or more antidote wells. use those to clear poison.

also, how are you getting poisoned by large rats on fists

that's not an issue anyone has I think

[junior helm]

i know about the wells but like

i still end up taking a load of damage

because i have to go close to them to do damage

but then i just get poisoned 😭

[lavish sorrel]

I really do wonder how you fight now, because unarmored large rats won't be able to attack or drop poison if they're stunlocked

and stunlocking is kinda free on anything that's not rail (or bow? don't quote me on this one) given the optimal combo

[junior helm]

ig its just a skill issue

[agile basin]

"You can almost guarantee thanatos to show up during your run by being hurt 3 times consecutively."
Is this true?

[mint coral]

Nah

[old bluff]

I wish

[sage basin]

hm secret ending?

[lavish sorrel]

anyheaters would eat so well

[old bluff]

It would be so nice

[rustic vale]

They can drop poison prior to you getting to them

[lavish sorrel]

then just bait them out idk

there's more space in the room than just next to the enemy

[tepid wind]

broke: giving nectar to characters that will further your progress
woke: giving nectar to characters you just Like Better

[rustic vale]

broke: giving nectar to characters that will further your progress

woke rich: give everyone nectar bc you’re a philanthropist

[umbral thorn]

currently fighting Hades at 32 Heat and saw a really weird ai glitch

i hit him with a Meg summon and use Demeter's Aid and then he just starts walking left and right for a couple seconds until i depleted his second phase health, no clue how long he would've done that if i stopped attacking there, it was really weird

[modest reef]

Over 350 hours and just now I noticed that Chaos's Eclipse boon appears more than once and stacks.

[fierce junco]

yep 👍

just have to fight that cap of chaos boons per region

[fierce junco]

happens also just with his ai, gets really wonky walking around the pillars

ive had him walk around the right side one for a good 10-15 seconds

just pacing

and please avoid dems call

waste of pool space at 32 heat

[modest reef]

My grind for the Unseen One rank might get less tortuous now.

[fierce junco]

[modest reef]

But it's still a long way to go. I'm at the 36th rank.

[fierce junco]

badass

[modest reef]

Nah, it's just insanity. Only a madman would seek the Unseen One.

I wonder if Hades 2 will also have a rank system.

[fierce junco]

why are you such a high rank then? LOL

[modest reef]

Well, I'm a completionist. I want to squeeze everything a game can offer.

[fierce junco]

dialogue too?

[modest reef]

Oh, I don't really mind the dialogues.

Besides, I probably unlocked all of them by now (aside from the Unseen One).

[fierce junco]

oh yeah i guess

[stiff obsidian]

[fervent radish]

Many such cases

[stiff obsidian]

[hard viper]

I just noticed skelly has a coin in his mouth

i feel like that is a reference to something but I never paid attention in history class

[jagged hamlet]

One feeds corpses coins with which to pay Charon as they get boated down the Styx

[cyan nebula]

in other words, the entrence to hell isn't free, you must pay Charon to be able to pass the Styx. People in the world of the living would slip coins or jewelry under the dead person's tongue so they could pay the fee

[indigo badge]

in some places they just put the coins on the corpses eyes

[cyan nebula]

really? but wouldnt the eyes get in the way? also nice pfp

[indigo badge]

wdym, they put them on the eyes not under them

[cyan nebula]

oh on the eyes, ok i missread that part

[hard viper]

I've heard people say harpy feather duster is the worst keepsake and I'm confused on that. I'd put it at #3 after skelly's tooth and cerberus' collar

[jagged hamlet]

It has zero offensive utility in a game where DPS is king, and its defensive utility's pretty darn weak

I suppose it's good for people trying to learn the game and progress through biomes, but beyond that, meh

[indigo badge]

also most high heat runs include the tight deadline so you can't spend time minmaxing

especially on td2 or td3 it becomes one of the worst keepsakes

[hard viper]

that's me

[indigo badge]

in terms of casual play? great keepsake

[hard viper]

i imagine it would be completely useless for speed clears though yea

[jagged hamlet]

It's also not too great once you know how to get builds rolling. The sheer opportunity cost of losing control over your build makes it really bad

[hard viper]

What would you consider a good keepsake once I'm consistantly not dying?

[indigo badge]

acorn, skelly tooth, any god keepsake

hypnos' wallet

uhhh i guess charon's hourglass?

[hard viper]

why would skelly tooth be good? It seems like a top tier survivability option but nothing beyond that

[indigo badge]

meg's skull thingie if you wanna squeeze out some extra damage

[indigo badge]

literally an extra death defiance

that's crazy

[hard viper]

I've gotten to a point I can consistantly not die until, at earliest, thesius and the bull. So I'm thinking maybe I use the gold bonus, then swap to poseidon keepsake, then to skelly's from there

[tepid light]

You answered your own question

What more reason does one need than a top tier survivability option

Though I actually prefer cerberus collar since it technically makes all of your dd's stronger

[hard viper]

I tried going for a pure special build on spear because I got offered a lot of good options for it. Went well until thesius and bull. The bouncing spear ending up hitting them equally, getting thesius in his second phase before I beat the bull and ending up using most of my death defiances

[tepid light]

Unless you're playing the hidden spear aspect, trying to use your special as your main damage source is a losing proposition

[hard viper]

I realize that now

[tepid light]

Even with achilles

Yeh

[hard viper]

I really like getting doom on special, but I haven't found anything else that matches that

[latent moon]

get the first run clear dialogue lmao

[latent moon]

feather duster's description isn't accurate, it really just means 1 per room really

so like it's functionally not useful bc of that lmao

granted the small chance per room isn't good either

also acorn is a much better survivability keepsake than tooth or collar

unless you're struggling more in the normal rooms then tooth/collar depends but most people generally struggle with bosses more

[tepid light]

my perspective is probably skewed because acorn doesn't help me much with my pact

dad fight is too long and there's too many threats

[stiff obsidian]

acorns value goes up with em4

[rustic vale]

Defensive keepsakes are the best for Styx

you don’t get any added util from taking a god keepsake in, no keepsakes really help with damage (much less more than a defensive keepsakes value will give you) (aside from Hades call on select builds) and

you probably took purse or hourglass into elysium so you can’t really retake purse, and you get the value from hourglass in the midbiome area after the heroes fight

[modest reef]

I don't think I missed it.
Still, there are probably a good chunk of dialogue I haven't bumped into yet.

[tepid light]

i disagree

like, em4 among other things is a big endurance contest

you're gonna be there for a while and getting hit a lot

yeah, you might block more damage per block with acorn

but pretty soon it's gonna be lost

[fervent radish]

Not necessarily

[tepid light]

clarify

[stiff obsidian]

what else would you use

[fervent radish]

Wdym

I’ve done hitless em4 once, and damage absorbed by acorn probably amounts to my whole health pool if not more

Acorn allows your health to focus on more important things like overtime

Bad pot spawns, cerb rng, random bs can happen a lot

Easily 200+ damage tanked

[tepid light]

i like using either collar (because more max hp means each dd technically heals more) or tooth (because one more dd is nice)

[rustic vale]

…you might save more hp with acorn but you’re gonna lose it all? !?

[tepid light]

I meant the block of acorn is lost quickly

[rustic vale]

Ah

[fervent radish]

Only if you play badly p1, which can definitely happen with bad summons

I rarely exit bball p1 with acorn

[stiff obsidian]

i rarely exit p1 with acorn

[fervent radish]

Real tbh

Honestly skull crusher is ez though

[stiff obsidian]

3 days ago i decided to quit 57 and 62 and instead try to beat my savestate once a day beofre playing smth else

but realized 1 win a day is actually quit easy

ill try 2 now

eventually i will start streaking

[tepid light]

well my response is that collar/tooth's benefits apply even if you fumble a bit in phase 1

[fervent radish]

Yeah but you can easily lose tooth in a split second p3

[stiff obsidian]

tooth hp is 2 hits

[tepid light]

so? that's still an extra lifeline you didn't have otherwise

[fervent radish]

And just based on hit value, acorn is as much as 500+ hp

But you lose acorn lol

[rustic vale]

…you can loose tooth as fast acorn

[fervent radish]

Arguably faster because acorn protects you from Justin

[tepid light]

using one keepsake means you can't take another, yes

[stiff obsidian]

who is justin

[rustic vale]

Isn’t it the same arguement for both acorn and tooth then

[fervent radish]

Hurston

Hitstun smh

[tepid light]

yes

full circle ahoy

[rustic vale]

just one can protect from far more total damage

[tepid light]

i'm fully willing to admit that i'm not confident enough in my own skills to make optimal use of acorn

hence why i prefer collar and tooth

[fervent radish]

Acorn is just better than tooth then

Arguably…if you can hitless em4, it’s optimal to have the extra 20 seconds in overtime

Lmao

[tepid light]

i am not doing hitless em4 anytime soon with my pact

[fervent radish]

Pact is not an issue as much as aspect imo

[tepid light]

that's an entirely different convo

[stiff obsidian]

tooth over collar tho

[fervent radish]

Oh yeah for sure.

[tepid light]

are you saying i should take tooth over collar, or that i shouldn't do that

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[tepid light]

false i will throttle you

[stiff obsidian]

[obsidian tartan]

made it to the credits Unfortunately ||not being able to fight hades|| blocked me from a ten run win streak

also the eris railgun is insanely powerful

[stiff obsidian]

It is

[real hound]

i feel the pain, the run where i got the ending i got both merciful end AND vengeful mood and both were very well supported in my build, i was really excited for the dad fight and then he just… let me go

[unreal mason]

I was a hair's breath from death so suck it XD

[umbral dew]

i found a simple solution to my issue of no longer being able to pace the story properly on a fresh save because i escape too fast

just make the enemies faster!

[unreal mason]

||I worry this'll be me when H2 comes out of early access||

^no spoilers, but mention of H2

[jagged hamlet]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[tribal sierra]

I’m getting back into this wonderful game starting a fresh save file.

[umbral dew]

same

[pliant marten]

should i just look up for boon reqs on the wiki or should i explore them on my own

[tepid light]

if you're just interested in the prerequisites for boons, looking them up is fine

not necessary to trial-and-error it

[pliant marten]

alr

[mint coral]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ I'd use this instead of fandom but fwiw you'll also unlock an in game boon index

[pliant marten]

does it show duo and stuff

[mint coral]

Yeah

[pliant marten]

oh

yeah i bought the codex already im just going to use wiki

[pliant marten]

what aspects are highly recommended to unlock

[tepid light]

this is something i'd suggest you explore on your own

unlock each in turn, try them out and see which you like best

[jagged hamlet]

So long as it's not Chiron, Chaos, or Gilgamesh, you're good 👍

[pliant marten]

ok but the zeus shield one was really misleading
normally special doesnt allow u to attack and thats exactly why i didnt unlock it
turns out after watching a gameplay vid u can use special while still be able to attack

and early on u get little titan blood

[tepid light]

LEAVE CHIRON ALONE

[latent moon]

Only when he stops rage hacking with aimbot

[tepid light]

hence why you need to experiment and try things for yourself

otherwise you'll constantly get jerked around by misleading explanations and opinions

[pliant marten]

my amount of titan blood doesnt support that 😭😭

i gotta somehow beat the game first

[tepid light]

just gotta keep trying

[jagged hamlet]

Check the pins in #h1-for-new-players to see what gives you the most return for your blood. Excludes the hidden aspects, but only the bow, spear, and rail benefit strongly from investment

[spice drift]

Anyone know if there might ever be a rerun of the Hades watch Collab with super groupies

[fervent radish]

Zeus is a good aspect to start on if you have it

Put Zeus on special and look for static discharge

[umbral thorn]

this is a really random question but what is the cap on the amount of Obals you could theoretically carry and what's the actual highest amount anyone has had at once

[fervent radish]

I don’t think there’s a built in cap, and I don’t think it’s possible to reach if there is one

Haelian probably did this

[wispy scaffold]

There’s something to be said for making the sword as fast as possible.

[old bluff]

He got over 9k iirc

[broken jackal]

Hi guys

can i ask something here

[stiff obsidian]

hm

[broken jackal]

here

[fierce junco]

go ahead, if you are pre-first win, its recommended to stay in #h1-for-new-players for spoilers presented in other channels

[broken jackal]

No, I am not new

I just wonder this thing

About the shield weapon

[fierce junco]

feel free to ask then 👍

[broken jackal]

Hmm about the shield weapon

I dont know why it does not create the Shield when I hold the square button?

Instead of creating the shield and block the dmg, it attacks more many times

[fierce junco]

have to hold it down

oh wait

is it doubling inputs in steam input?

[broken jackal]

lol maybe

lemme check

So if it is yes, I just have to turn it off right?

like disable the steam input

[fierce junco]

can turn it off, or if its wired go bluetooth

[broken jackal]

Oh I did not turn on that

[fierce junco]

if it doesn't work you can enable it later, and yes, jus' disable it

try enabling it

[broken jackal]

okayy

lemme test it

I turned it on then turned it off

and it works

thanks

[fierce junco]

hell yeah, enjoy kicking ass 💪

[jagged hamlet]

maroonjumper is a genius

[fierce junco]

[obsidian tartan]

I'm sitting at 55 titan blood with max aspect of eris, level 2 aspect of zeus, level 2 aspect of achilles and don't have the keyword to unlock secret weapons (about 15 runs after I invested titan blood into the railgun ). Any strong recommendations for how to invest my titan blood?

[real hound]

spread it out through different weapons, even the ones you dont use

you only start to get hidden aspect activation phrases once you've unlocked several aspects

[fervent radish]

Max Zeus

[obsidian tartan]

Is it better to do that over beowulf? beowulf seems to be the most popular in most speedrun categories

[fervent radish]

If you’re interesting in speedrunning max beo yeah

I’m the resident Zeus shill since I think it’s really fun

It’s very strong for heat and if you ever want to do 64 heat, that’s the aspect to practice

[fervent radish]

That being said, every aspect has its speedrun record considered separately

[hard viper]

How can I beat dad? I made it there with all my death defiances left and still died to his second phase

[jagged hamlet]

You super need to learn to use dodge iframes: Hades hits haaaard. Also, fight near the rocks

[obsidian tartan]

I’m not really into speed running but I’ll have to cut my time down to five minutes a biome eventually

I can’t even get beo rn though since Achilles won’t give me the necessary dialogue for the spear’s secret aspect

[old bluff]

For five min a biome, I would recommend to just play the game more

[obsidian tartan]

I’ve gotten seven consistently except for my last run since I want to max the Demeter keepsake while I’m still on low heat. I don’t know how to make her boons into a good build

[hard viper]

if I switch off of pierced butterfly, do I lose the damage bonus?

[obsidian tartan]

Yes, you lose the bonus

[mint coral]

Do meme beams or smth dumb like artic blast chiron

[umbral thorn]

is that the one where they get hurt and send a blast around them when they get to 10 Chill? it seemed kind of "whatever" to me

[mint coral]

Yeah is that

And yeah is whatever lol

Can also just slap dem's attack into hestia and call it a build

Hera/beo like to get dem as support for snow burst but you wouldn't get many lvls on the keepsake

[obsidian tartan]

I might have to continue grinding high heat on fists and rail gun until I have enough darkness for privileged status or do a rerun on zero heat for the darkness

[gusty elm]

hi, should i get hades ii or should i wait on it since it's in early access

i just got hades i

[mint coral]

Just refund mirror

Iirc priv is cheaper than fam fav?

[fierce junco]

Because you just got hades 1, I'd just wait to get hades 2

There is no downside to getting it tbh, if you want it, you should get it

[fierce junco]

And good luck boss 💪

[obsidian tartan]

the only thing I have darkness in that isn't really worth it is deep pockets

and even then I think I only have three tiers in it

[gusty elm]

just got to the first boss on my third try, died but i have enough keys for another weapon

@fierce junco should i go for the spear or shield first?

[fierce junco]

sheield

shield* mb for late response

[hard viper]

Is ambrosia delight the best choice from eurydice? It is what I usually go for because upgrading blessing rarity seems great, but I could see pom porridge being good too. Idk

[mint coral]

Refreshing nectar is usually best

Porridge and delight have their uses

[latent moon]

ambrosia delight is generally only picked when 1) you want to high roll and have the rarity upgrade hit rush delivery (or something important) for more damage or 2) you only have like 3 boons lmao
otherwise, you'd rather have refreshing nectar bc the next 3 boons having a rarity boost is way more consistent and increases your duo odds

pom porridge is kinda the inbetween where you have all the boons you want, so you dont need the rarity upgrade, but too many boons so that ambrosia delight isn't that consistent

so you just take the +1 on 4 boons bc that's just greater odds of hitting something you want

[tepid light]

i kinda developed a habit of always taking ambrosia delight cause the rarity upgrade activates my neurons

i should probably give refreshing nectar more of a chance

[placid walrus]

hi yall

[rustic vale]

You definitely should

[rustic vale]

Ambrosia delights main use case is if you have a few high rarity scaling boons that are crucial to your build and you feel like rng maniping them ngl, otherwise refreshing nectar is just better for the reasons Bananas stated earlier

[rustic vale]

Hi

[placid walrus]

just beat the game first time

man shield is op

i usually lose all my death defiance there and lost

i didn't lose a single one on this run

[hard viper]

why is refreshing nectar good tho? I usually have my build mostly complete by the time I get to asphodel

then just focus on poms and coins and stuff from there

[fervent radish]

Good for it to hit rush delivery or +dashes, or a core boon like static discharge

[hard viper]

I've done like 20 runs and never seen rush delivery

won for the first time earlier today

[fervent radish]

Pretty good Hermes boon, though +dashes can also be very good with tidal dash

[rustic vale]

Crucial time period to tie up a missing duo or to boost second hermes (rush delivery or dashes)

or yeah, like Explosive Return mentioned, a crucial boon like static discharge

[hard viper]

the only duo boon I ever got was Mirage Shot and I don't recall it being particularly great. Are other duo boons better?

[tepid light]

Merciful End, Athena + Ares

Cold Fusion, Zeus + Demeter

Sea Storm, Zeus + Poseidon

Just to name a few stronger ones

[rustic vale]

This is a really sus list of stronger ones

[rustic vale]

Quite a few builds are built around their duos

[tepid light]

Ur face is sus how bout that

[rustic vale]

Merciful End is almost 100% reliant on you getting it to function properly, any crit builds really want their heart rend or deadly reversal, smouldering air is always nice

[tepid light]

Can't say anything in this server without being attacked by Shackle, this planet is a prison

[stiff obsidian]

shackle

[tepid light]

Smair

[rustic vale]

⛓️

[stiff obsidian]

sry man but cold fusion does jack ngl

[rustic vale]

You happen to be a repeat offender whenever I take a glimpse over

[tepid light]

ur face does jack

[stiff obsidian]

not mutually exclusive

[tepid light]

pls attack False instead

[rustic vale]

(I actually haven’t been keeping track of people I’ve been correcting)

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[rustic vale]

I would but I haven’t got any reason to as of late

[tepid light]

But I suppose I ought to get a taste of my own medicine given my tendencies at times

[rustic vale]

Let me dig up some time False was wrong 3 years ago

to @ ‘em over

[stiff obsidian]

wasnt here 3 years ago

[rustic vale]

2

[stiff obsidian]

wasnt here 2 years ago either

only been like 15 months since i started this gam

[rustic vale]

8 years ago

[tepid light]

Also you are being suspiciously silent over in the story channel Shackle

I take comfort in the fact that at least I can beat you there

/jk

[rustic vale]

Brains taking a bit to clink stuff together cuz I haven’t slept at it’s 7:42am

story lore I can’t remember much from that early in the game

[tepid light]

You verbally abuse me in this channel and I verbally abuse you in the story channel

Gentleman's agreement

[rustic vale]

What happens when we get to territory I’m confident in in story discussion 💀

[tepid light]

I'll beat you anyway

[rustic vale]

Nuh uh

[tepid light]

I also like how that implies I will never be confident in this channel

[rustic vale]

The ithica saga has infused me with greater indomitable human spirit

[stiff obsidian]

speaking of story

wrote a script on sisyphus recently

[tepid light]

A script?

[stiff obsidian]

yes

movie scriopt

[tepid light]

Like a programming script, or a play script?

Oh damn

That's fun

[stiff obsidian]

then had to act it out

the paert where he talks to thanatos

[rustic vale]

speaking of sisyphus, wrote a book on him back in 1942

[hard viper]

Does anything interesting happen if you clear the game first try on a new save file?

[rustic vale]

Mm sickkkk

[tepid light]

You get some unique dialogue but not much more I believe

[rustic vale]

Unique dialogue and break story progression

It’s a whole speedrun category

I know a guy who’s fairly consistent at it (iirc they had an 18 streak going)

[green bronze]

i'm sorry is the defiance chaos boon glitched or something

[rustic vale]

1% chance of showing up, unaffected by other rarity boosts

last I checked

[green bronze]

unaffected by other rarity boosts

sigh

[tepid light]

Just reading that makes me sad

[rustic vale]

It’s notoriously evasive

[tepid light]

I think I've gotten chaos defiance all of once across all of my runs

[fervent radish]

I know a guy who got to 100

[rustic vale]

Absolutely mad lad

[green bronze]

i got poseidons rarity boon, 2x chaos rarity boons AND the charons well rarity consumable i was so confused why it wasnt popping up

[fervent radish]

(Nitro)

[green bronze]

so what's the strategy should i enter chaos once use all my rerolls and if i dont see it restart the run?

[rustic vale]

Posiedons rarity boon doesn’t affect legendary odds

[fervent radish]

Poseidon has a rarity boon?

EA?

[green bronze]

sets lowest rarity possible to rare i think

[rustic vale]

Exclusive Access doesn’t do anything aside from setting the minimum rarity of regular boons to epic

[green bronze]

that

figured it would help cull the boon pool a bit

[rustic vale]

So that happens after you would’ve rolled an legendary or duo

[rustic vale]

Not really?

it doesn’t do anything actually

boons are rolled before their rarities are

[tepid light]

Which is still nice ofc

But yeah not much help for getting chaos defiance

[green bronze]

so then?

what am i supposed to do about it

[tepid light]

It's a 1% chance, I honestly would not torture yourself trying to get it like that

[green bronze]

i'm mostly done with everything else i'm doing completion

[tepid light]

Even so, just doing runs organically might be the less frustrating way of eventually getting chaos defiance

[green bronze]

oh also does giving up reset the run seed or is it still the same until you win or die

[tepid light]

Same seed

So just gotta die or win yeah

[green bronze]

1984

thanks anyways ill get back to it

[rustic vale]

Give up gives u the same seed

Useful some of the time if you really like your first few rooms but the ones after c3 kinda suck

Since you can keep rng the same till that point then break some pots

[green bronze]

c3?

[rustic vale]

~third chamber

I can pretty consistently keep the rng shifts the same for that long but longer than that is just avoiding pots and casting city

best usecase is like chaos in chamber 1 ngl

[green bronze]

does seed predetermine rooms only or boon choices as well

[green bronze]

i'll definitely keep this in mind

[rustic vale]

It’s too early in the morning for me. To give a proper answer to that

and by too early in the mornign I mean I haven’t slept

[green bronze]

understandable

[rustic vale]

you’ll always have the same boon choices loading back into the same seed for chamber one

Or hammer if it’s a hammer

[green bronze]

okay what i want to get at is

can i keep giving up on a seed with a c1 chaos gate to keep rerolling boons until i get defiance

or will that never work

[rustic vale]

That won’t work

But

[green bronze]

god please

[rustic vale]

not because you can’t reroll that c1 boon by the seed

It’s because you need another chaos boon to get the legendary

you can absolutely go back into that chaos portal until it gives you to boons you want off the bat

But it can never give you the legendary

Because you don’t meet the prerequisites

of having a different chaos boon already

[green bronze]

okaay what about charon's well items

do those stay the same too

[rustic vale]

they won’t because you won’t keep the seed the same for that long

every time a cast hits the floor, a pot breaks, or you summon a companion, or reload the gun, the seed shifts 1 rng value

so your future rooms will have different options

[green bronze]

that's

oddly specific

[rustic vale]

I would know I dabble in rng manipulation

Bc there are 3 spots where it’s actually useful to be able to rng manip outside of c1

Sisyphus room for better bouldy boons, Eurydice to alter her seed and specifically get whichever rarity boost or poms on whichever boost you want

Or anvils in styx

Smthing like this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243619224077864990/4th_try_Perfect_Anvil.mp4?ex=676cebe8&is=676b9a68&hm=5e8fe9395cad8c2653f84713ba1a346c3e3526669cf20e06753711e1de69f439&

[green bronze]

on some ocarina of time type sht

[rustic vale]

basically these areas let you quit the game without saving if you leave immediately after taking those things without doing anything else

So you can load back in and shift rng 1 more value than the last

So first time cast 0 times shift it 0 times

Second time cast once

Third time cast twice

Until you get what you want

This won’t work if you buy anything else in styx in the same wander thru the shop though cuz that’ll lock you out

so you can get your ideal hammer combo off an anvil or the best rarity boosts off eurydice or the best bouldy boon

although for the best bouldy boon you may be there for a while (like forever a while)

would not recommend going for

[green bronze]

it only works in zone starting rooms?

because of not having to attack, cast or anything else?

[rustic vale]

Eh

It only works in these rooms because these are the only rooms where quiting the game while actually put you back into the same chamber prior to when you went into it

it basically resets you to before you walked in

Any other room won’t do that when you quit

Or won’t allow you to quit after you take something in the room

[hard viper]

feels bad to get offered 3 boons I want and can only pick one

Either a rare demeter attack boost, or an epic demeter call

or an epic frozen touch revenge damage

[tepid light]

What aspect are you running

[hard viper]

trying the shield for the first time

it seems really good

[tepid light]

Uhhhh

None of those are incredible for shield

[hard viper]

and I already got a +70% attack from chaos earlier

[tepid light]

getting a regular god attack boon won't invalidate the bonus from chaos

[hard viper]

alright, that's good to know. What is good on shield if attack boosts aren't? I'm leaning towards getting the epic call boon

[tepid light]

I'd just pick the attack boon I guess

[rustic vale]

Attack boosts are solid

especially with the better shield hammers like charged shot

[hard viper]

do attack boosts affect the charge? I also got a hammer that makes the charge attack faster

[rustic vale]

yea

[hard viper]

bull rush hammer

thats what it was called

[rustic vale]

Same button same boosts

*typically

[tepid light]

Yeah at least Demeter attack is still a % boost

It's just not the first thing I would think of to put on shield

Barring a weird build

[hard viper]

RIP, lost half my hp because I thought having the menu up paused the game. Guess it doesn't

didnt realize until I was already getting pummeled by louts

[rustic vale]

inventory doesn’t pause the game ueah

[tepid light]

Betrayed by gamer instincts

[hard viper]

ooh thats cool!

[rustic vale]

I have some silly screenshots of my inventory

in the Hades fight

[hard viper]

Bc I have pierced butterfly equipped, thanatos had some special dialogue about it

[rustic vale]

but I need to focus on wrapping my little brothers presents rn and not the #h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Pretty much every npc will comment on their own keepsakes if you’re holding it

some gods will also comment on other gods keepsakes as well

[hard viper]

doing hitless rooms in asphodel is extremely tough. Even harder than elysium

[indigo badge]

i disagree

asphodel is ez

the damn elysium warriors are a nightmare for me

[stiff obsidian]

Yea

[hard viper]

Holy hell

my first ever attempt with shield, and somehow I won. With 2 death defiances left even

It took so many tries with spear. Shield OP

Got an early Life Affirmation as well, so I ended up having 446 HP by the end lol

[fierce junco]

[tepid light]

congrats!

[fervent radish]

Shield do be kinda strong

[old bluff]

Best weapon

[real hound]

why does the game sometimes just eat my bloodstones 😭

im missing 2

they just... disappeared

[rustic vale]

Which weapon are you playing

/ cast are you using

[real hound]

fists and dio

but it's happened with many weapons and many different casts

might be related to changing phases during a bossfight???

[lavish sorrel]

probably hidden in or behind something else

[real hound]

• i'd been throwing them into the middle of the room
• they weren't regenerating after a good 2 minutes

ok what the heck something similar but different just happened

i entered a room and spammed my cast button (weird stim of mine) and the game played a weird sound effect and they just... vanished from my supply

[umbral thorn]

... you sure that wasn't a Chaos curse or something?
like "Cast will not be collectable for X seconds?

[fervent radish]

are you playing Beowulf or Hera?

[real hound]

fists

[rustic vale]

This is really weird

haven’t heard of this outside of beo or hera sometimes stealing casts

[gusty elm]

just escaped tartarus on my 5th run!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fierce junco]

badass

[gusty elm]

lets gooo

with the shield too

love this game

[fierce junco]

🤝

It gets better, trust

[old bluff]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[runic jungle]

Something that i find really satisfying
Shield + zeus special
Its so fun spamming that lol.

[rustic vale]

Is this zeus shield or like… some other aspect

[runic jungle]

Zag shield

[hard viper]

I found megaera hard at first but now I find it to be a pretty easy boss. I feel like it would be fun to fight 2 of her at once

[runic jungle]

She's the easiest out of the 3 sisters imo

[hard viper]

I can usually no hit her now as long as I'm slow and careful

the other 2 are definitely tougher. Especially murderer girl's second phase, enclosed spaces are difficult to work around

[runic jungle]

Murder girl is the most annoying one for me.
Alecto is only problematic if she spams her beyblades.

[hard viper]

How can I find fishing areas? Ive had the rod for a while but havent seen any obvious fishing spots

[unreal mason]

Generally I just advise to keep playing, You'll see little pools where you can fish in tart/aspho/ely/styxshop/greece so you'll need to approach them and interact for the minigame to start. It's all rng though to find the pools.

[jagged hamlet]

Listen for a ding after clearing a room

[runic jungle]

I constantly only be noticing the spots as I'm leaving a room lol
Same with the gold pots

[hard viper]

what do fishing spots look like?

[runic jungle]

Zag usually has a voice line if you're near one irrc

[hard viper]

oo found one! A chrustacean

[rustic vale]

Bro hasn’t found out about em1 yet

[rustic vale]

Glowing orbs in the water/clouds

[green bronze]

im ngl id rather fight EM meg than regular alecto

[runic jungle]

Honestly em1 isn't that bad imo.
But maybe i cheated since it was low heat

[rustic vale]

Em1 is easy at like

everything up to 40 heat like past that I can’t say much I haven’t played past that

ez heat

what I was saying was they wanted to fight multiple furies

So

i gave the solution

[indigo badge]

em1 and em2 are super easy

other ems are an actual challenge though

[rustic vale]

Em2 is super easy until you start stacking heats

Then it becomes a battle of glass cannons ngl

[hard viper]

I've heard patroclus's keepsake is top tier and bottom tier from different people. Which is true? It doesn't seem that good to me.

[fervent radish]

It’s not that good

[rustic vale]

Spear point is like fine if you’re really struggling with styx poison and not the boss fights

Otherwise

it’s a joke of a defensive keepsake because Hades doesn’t attack fast enough to trigger it

and you don’t have a reason to run it prior to styx really

[hard viper]

What are the locked things underneath the keepsakes?

[unreal mason]

It's decent but has about the same effect as athena's revenge boon

[indigo badge]

6 of the characters, when you max their hearts and trigger a special dialogue, their slot opens and you'll see for yourself

[hard viper]

i see, ty

[hard viper]

I saved coins the entire run, and got to buy a diamond from charon at the styx :D

[fierce junco]

[final anvil]

So who’s your favorite character

[final anvil]

This is for everyone

[stiff obsidian]

zagreus

he gets to play hades

[hard viper]

skelly bc he acts exactly like my best friend

[solid igloo]

I won't lie, this game got me back on a loreena mcknennit kick lately 😂

Music is great, so is the voice acting

[tepid light]

This is such a hard question

Ares and Nyx and Athena are all up there

Artemis is great too

[solid igloo]

What?

[tepid light]

dyno the tyrant

[solid igloo]

Watch my language?
Dionysus is my favorite but I like Hermes

I just got botted lol

[inland moth]

you can use it if you’re really struggling with the fire beams ig

stepping into an urn and getting stunned while dad beams you isn’t especially fun

and i guess you could technically use it for EM4 if you’re highly allergic to butterfly balls?

it isn’t horrible ig

[crude jacinth]

Help guys,
I somehow have valued customer on lvl 2

[lavish sorrel]

valued customer is the charon loyalty card, right? what you've got can happen when fighting charon multiple times during the same run, which is only possible with mods.

does absolutely nothing, just a fun quirk of how the speedrunning modpack implemented that feature

[timid hearth]

I've got max ❤️ with Dusa, but the feather duster does not show her portrait, am I missing something?

[mint coral]

She needs an extra conversation with zag in his room for the bond

[obsidian tartan]

I always go for the meta currency at the end

Unfortunately diamonds are useless at this point

[fresh light]

are fists good with Zeus on attack

[lavish sorrel]

the proper wording on that should be "zeus attack is good on fists", not "fists are good with zeus attack"

[fresh light]

is it

[lavish sorrel]

but yes, using zeus attack is one of the common strategies for fists

[fresh light]

I cant tell which aspect is best to use... i am using the magnetic one but it seems meh

[lavish sorrel]

talos is kinda bad yeah

[timid hearth]

secret one is the best?

[fresh light]

Fists only one i dont have the secret one yet

[timid hearth]

the 12 hits one was a bit too hard to keep track of for me

[fresh light]

i am gonna try this heat 5 with fists and zeusy

i agree with 12 hits

maybe i can pull them all in and then have dash with jolt and lightning and double strike lightning

[lavish sorrel]

most powerful aspect overall is the hidden shield aspect , most safe one overall is zeus shield . hestia rail is also very good due to its low build-requirement, as is eris rail thanks to being simple to play while having a bulk of damage. Achilles on spear can be built to deal a lot of damage, meanwhile the hidden spear aspect can supply some easy safety. As for bows, all of zagbow , hera and the hidden aspect can be powerhouses. for sword, the most powerful is nemesis and the most safe is the hidden aspect . fists overall are kinda mid, but the best among the four is demeter .

the hidden fists aspect is hot trash lmao

[fresh light]

I love arthur aspect

[fierce junco]

arthur makes aspho a joke

ive been running high security so placing it down centre is godsend

[umbral thorn]

one time i decided to do a Guan Yu run with maxed Hard Labor and Lasting Consequences only

... it was honestly easier than i expected, mostly because the Spin Attack healing is seemingly the only form of healing left unchanged by Lasting Consequences

[lavish sorrel]

GY spin, sword cursed slash, death defiances / stubborn defiance / tooth, stubborn roots all work

[umbral thorn]

wait what's Stubborn Roots?

[iron epoch]

I keep thinking about theseus it should be classified as an illness at this point every waking moment is about Theseus I love him so much he is everything to me raaaah I love Theseus 🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵

Theseus 😭😭😭 gruhrieuhbdje Theseuuuuussss

[fervent radish]

Dem Athena duo boon where you restore like 1hp/s

It’s dog but still works with lc4

[umbral thorn]

the one for 0 Defiances left?

[rustic vale]

Demter is

Not gilgamesh

Gilgamid is easily the 4th best fists aspect ngl

[hard viper]

aspect of achilles on spear seems good, but it is so hard to use.

Having to use my special often is awkward for me. I tend to go all in or not at all for spear special

[tepid light]

It's worth learning how to use it imo, the mobility and damage you get is excellent

[hard viper]

Maybe it's because I've been using pierced butterfly too much but I've been getting unreasonably frustrated at myself for taking damage. Even during bossfights other than hades, I feel like I should be able to no-hit them because I know what the patterns are.

The standard of using no death defiances, getting the gem/blood at the last shop, and no-hitting every regular enemy room is unreasonable, but part of me feels like that is the bare minimum for some reason.

[rustic vale]

Any comment that starts with “maybe I’ve been using pierced butterfly too much” was made by someone who uses pierced butterfly too much

[hard viper]

i mean it's the only keepsake I use, except maybe skele if I'm low on DD before hades

[rustic vale]

If I had my switch on my rn I could tell you I’ven’t had it on once in the last 250 runs

[hard viper]

maybe I should switch to lambent plume

[real hound]

plume might help break the expectation of clearing rooms hitless because it forces you to play more recklessly

[hard viper]

The whole reason I started using butterfly was because I played too recklessly. Now I'm too cautious lol

[rustic vale]

Taking off butterfly and plume

loses their bonuses

Btw

[hard viper]

yea ik. I only do it if it feels like I'm in danger of dying

[rustic vale]

Maybe you’ve heard of this before but starting you run with god keepsakes is pretty peak

[hard viper]

I've heard starting with athena is good, but every other olympian god keepsake is bad

[rustic vale]

Whoever told u that… doesn’t know what they’re talking about

and also doesn’t understand Hades

[hard viper]

internet article. I think TheGamer?

[rustic vale]

Thegamer is like just as bad as reddit

[real hound]

smh

[rustic vale]

Don’t use it

holy

They probably said athena is good bc they couldn’t not die without her

I have a bunch of screenshots from their articles that have been passed around as memes

but I digress

[real hound]

ooh i wanna see that

[hard viper]

ok, so what's the truth

[rustic vale]

the thing with god keepsakes is that it's always dependent on the weapon and aspect you're using them on

because different weapons have different builds that are good on them

thegamer never gets more than 2 hours into a video game so they wouldn't know

so starting with some gods on some weapons just works way better than others

and then depending on the first god you take, different ones make more sense for your second

[jagged hamlet]

You almost always start off going for the Attack or Special you want or maybe Tidal Dash

[rustic vale]

to make a specific build happen

because without forcing more in, you can cap out at 4 gods in your build (aside from hermes and chaos), you can pretty consistently grab 2 gods you want, 2 other gods, and then get the boons from gods you want more often

before you fill your god pool with 4 gods, you can get boons from any of the 8, but after you have it filled w/ 4 you'll keep getting the same 4

so you can start to make a "build" around specific god combos

duos are usually the crux of builds and so having 2 specific god(ess)s works

and so it always depends on your weapon for what works well, because flat damage soup that works off the shear attack speed of the adamant rail doesn't exactly work on the slower shield

[hard viper]

oh yea I got something called a legendary boon on my last run. Artemis gave me +2 casts which, when combined with her other boon that made casts deal an extra 140 dmg when they dislodge, let me pretty much solo hades with just casts. What I'm wondering is what triggered me getting the legendary boon? Is it just extremely rare or are there prerequisite conditions?

[rustic vale]

prerequisites

and rarer but not that rare

duos are easier to meet the prerequisites for, since it's usually just a core boon from two different gods

where with each legendary, you can only get it from their respective god, and you usually need 1 or 2 tier 2 boon (aka the boons that aren't your cores)

core boons being attack/special/cast/dash (prioritised by the game and your basic combat options)

[hard viper]

I think my core was special and cast in that run. Was using gun

[rustic vale]

call is usually also thrown in with core boons for duo prerequisites, but

it's not really a core

[rustic vale]

you didn't have a strike?

also for the legendary it would've been 2 supporting secondary boons, not core boons

[hard viper]

I got quite a few artemis support boons. The one that give everything a small crit chance and i think one other

[rustic vale]

that makes sense

but yeah that's how you get duos and legendaries

it's not a set patern, it's a certain number of specific boons for each duo and legendary

[hard viper]

and yea, I didn't have a strike. I didn't get offered a single strike bonus until well into elysium, and by that point I had decided to just go on in on cast/special

[rustic vale]

like 2 of this specific list, or 1 from x or z

[rustic vale]

that's really surprising

did you just keep turning down dash boons?

[hard viper]

I got offered zeus dash like 8 times

[rustic vale]

that would explain it

if you had taken it once you would've solved your problem

[hard viper]

rly? Why is that

[rustic vale]

the game will always give you a core boon if at least one of the slots is open

so when you had both strike and dash open, it had to give you at least one of them

[hard viper]

huh

[rustic vale]

and if you took dash it would've had to give you strike, (or an exchange)

should've added an asterisk earlier

but yeah for rail it's really useful to pretty much always take zeus keepsake in

for lighting strik

since it at minimum doubles your strike damage

and opens up static discharge and other useful zeus boons

*there are other rail builds, but 90% of the time the answer is lightning strike to start off

[hard viper]

I thought rail main attack was pretty bad. I mean it takes a couple shots to even kill tartarus skulls

maybe dionysus attack would help it a bit but besides that, idk

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

....did I not just mention zeus

zeus is a game changer for the strike lol

although there are things like Hestia just being a sniper rifle so +% gods work on her aspect, and eris absolutely wants lightning strike, zag rail can run spread shot with +% gods or merciful end but

yeah

[hard viper]

who is hestia?

[rustic vale]

usually one of the pantheon (big important gods) of greek gods in greek mythos, siblings of zeus/hera/poseidon/hades/

[hard viper]

sorry for all the questions

[rustic vale]

not depicted in the Hades game

but referenced by her own aspect of the rail

...no she does not have a gun in greek mythology either

Goddess of the Hearth

[hard viper]

god of guns, got it

[rustic vale]

the game took a fair few liberties with greek mythos but like

there are enough different variants of the myths anyways

anyways lemme recap

1. god keepsakes good to start with (most important god in tartarus, second most important in asphodel)

2. rail strike not bad, especially if you throw lightning on it (generally, sometimes cough cough Hestia cough cough not so much) althought there are other strikes that can work

[hard viper]

didnt like half of the olympians grow in zeus's... idk much about the mythology

[rustic vale]

athena came out of his forehead, he did foster a fair few gods but actually

poseidon did it with like 20 more ppl last I checked

... both numbers are in the triple digits thou

father of a lot of demigods, and a fair few gods

but he had siblings lol

greek mythos actually had a lot of incest to make more gods ☠️

[hard viper]

also I thought dionysus was a demigod

[rustic vale]

depends on the canon lol

sometimes he was a demigod made god, sometimes he was always a god

pretty much always the son of zeus thou

[hard viper]

zoos

[rustic vale]

The reason zeus is more well known is like… he’s the king of the gods, and he fostered like a gigaton of demigods and gods

[hard viper]

lightning is cool

saw a lightning once. very loud.

[rustic vale]

only once? dang

[hard viper]

its shy near here

[rustic vale]

Decensitized ahh here ✊😔

Though I’m sure if it striked closer I wouldn’t be

[hard viper]

https://www.thegamer.com/hades-best-keepsakes-ranked/ so how bad is this article?

[jagged hamlet]

The article happens to have Acorn near the top of the list, and that's all it has going for it

[rustic vale]

https://tenor.com/view/plato-cavern-meme-speech-bubble-allegory-gif-11514689446652514765

[hard viper]

What makes acorn good? I haven't used it yet.

[rustic vale]

Hades hits hard, it blocks those hard hits

especially when you start running Hard Labour 5, where he does double damage, you get twice the value

[hard viper]

ah, so it's a high heat keepsake. I'm still doing low heat

[rustic vale]

low heat the other defensive keepsakes are viable

[hard viper]

pom blossom looks like the most useful to me

[rustic vale]

and again at peak high heat they become more useful

Pom blossom has use from elysium -> styx but take it off for a defensive keepsake in styx

so you get like 2 levels?

[hard viper]

why not from tartarus -> styx?

[rustic vale]

but otherwise it’s opportunity cost to not take god keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel

Getting what you want is better than throwing your run to the fates

Sure you get more poms but it’s on whatever boons you randomly end up with

[hard viper]

i trust the fates. They seem cool

[rustic vale]

Which is less valuable than just having the boons you want

Lvl 3 frost strike is less useful on rail than literally like any thing a god keepsake could give u if you catch my drift

overall it just makes more sense to grab what you want and upgrade it yourself with poms than to have pom blessing randomly upgrade your relatively less useful boons (bc you weren’t able to really sway who you got)

[hard viper]

One last question before i go to sleep

how do I get heroic boons? I've only ever had one by getting an epic one, then getting it randomly upgraded by eurydice

[rustic vale]

/plus poms are typically diminishing returns so the extra ones aren’t as useful

[rustic vale]

3 very specific ways

Eurydice’s rarity boost for boons you already have hitting an epic boon, getting a boon exchange for an epic core boon (epic lightning strike -> heroic heart break strike), or rare crop from Demeter

So it’s very rare to get them

[hard viper]

wouldn't exclusive access+yarn of ariadne guarantee one?

[rustic vale]

keep in mind that rarities only soooo useful on select boons, not all of them (hangover boons might as well just get another pom from a rarity boost, etc)

[rustic vale]

Nope

they both set the minimum rarity of the boon, not raise it

if you understand the ~programmer language

[hard viper]

i dont. I dont think I've ever seen a computer in my life

[rustic vale]

It tells the game the minimum rarity is x rather than adding it upwards

[hard viper]

i see

[rustic vale]

so refreshing nectar says “hey you’re at least rare”, then exclusive access says “hey, you’re at least epic”

so it just ends up being epic

[hard viper]

ty for all the answers

gn

[rustic vale]

gn

[jagged hamlet]

gn

[hard viper]

https://imgur.com/a/5lXcxUb i think my cat might be zagreus. Everyone else said I'm crazy but you if anyone will believe me, it's you guys

[rustic vale]

Might just be him

I hope not though

Last I checked Zag doesn’t fair well in the overworld

[hard viper]

he only catches fire occasionally

[rustic vale]

He’s only been around this long bc he’s a cat rn. One of his 9 lives is gone each time

[hard viper]

ok good night fr this time

[short remnant]

whats the world record in this game?

if anyone knows

[latent moon]

64 heat has been done unmodded by 2 people, modded by a bit more
unmodded speed is 5:04 and modded speed is 4:30

[rustic vale]

2:19 routed

[fervent radish]

I would say THE world record is probably ocamls 7:30 unm 50 heat

Like that’s just one of the runs ever

[short remnant]

Interesting

Thanks everyone

[obsidian tartan]

This might be the worst thing the gamer has published and that’s a very very big accomplishment (they have an article: Dark Souls Is About Capitalism, So What The Hell Is Going On In Elden Ring)

[solar mauve]

to be a little more accurate, you can think of the game rolling for rare, epic, and legendary/duo independently, and choosing the highest successful roll. Yarn/nectar increases the chances of rare to 100%, and epic and legendary/duo by a smaller amount (I think 10%). Exclusive access increases the chances of epic to 100%.

Everything on the game that “increases rarity” does the same thing: in increases the chances of a successful roll for one or more rarities.

[tepid light]

I actually looked up and read that article

It was reasonable and respectable until the sudden spiel about trying to equate Dark Souls with capitalism and ecological collapse

If it wasn't for that one bizarre paragraph I might have appreciated this article

[obsidian tartan]

it's not explicitly wrong about the events of the game if I remember correctly (unlike the vice article that does the same thing) but their reading of the games is bizzare

[tepid light]

yeah exactly

like they give a pretty nice summary of the main themes and patterns of the ds series

and then they try to hamfist it into some real world analogy

[obsidian tartan]

there are real world analogies in dark souls. it's environmentalist, it criticizes the divine right of kings and it criticizes the church being historically misused for consolidating political power and manipulating the masses but there isn't any capitalist analogy

one of the things established in the only voiced cutscene in the first game is that Lordran is feudal not capitalist and it specifically criticizes certain centralized powers which doesn't describe capitalism

[tepid light]

we probs shouldn't get too into ds discussion here

but i think we both agree that that article drops off a cliff so abruptly

[obsidian tartan]

the vice one is worse. it says the age of dark, where you become a literal dark lord, is collectivist😭

[rustic vale]

This is literally ds-discussion I think you’re fine

[mint coral]

Double strike-discussion

[tepid light]

oh true

[obsidian tartan]

Double strike is so good

[rustic vale]

Double strike is just the poor mans serrated edge idk

You only get one more hit, serrated edge gives you two

[stiff obsidian]

discussion strike double

[obsidian tartan]

Double strike is what you grab when you already have your attack and call boon filled in, already have static discharge and still get another Zeus boon

[rustic vale]

oh I’m thinking of double edge I’m silly

[obsidian tartan]

I was confused since double strike and serrated edge aren’t mutually exclusive

[fierce junco]

damn. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/940361343180091432/1322440885329461258/SPOILER_downloadfile167.jpg?ex=6770e28c&is=676f910c&hm=812fbdcc072afa0f870f03cd2b39f7b56eb2093fa4d26fc6667fb8f6e2e81628&

was on life support the whole way through

[dim wadi]

i did not realize the final boss heals himself fully... i got so close lol

[tepid light]

rip

but hey now you know

[indigo badge]

that's a lot of mirror upgrades gone

imo change your pacts

[fervent radish]

Monodash Demeter is crazy yet based

Well, atleast until Hermes, but still

[inland flint]

what's a redacted

i don't know the names of most of the foes

and don't care

[mint coral]

Final boss lol

[inland flint]

?

[mint coral]

[inland flint]

hades?

[fervent radish]

Reasonable

[inland flint]

why is he 'redacted'

[mint coral]

Doesn't want himself in the house logs that he is out there fighting

Gotta keep appearances

(he also prevents anyone to speak about you killing him)

[inland flint]

ok

[tepid light]

then why even ask in the first place

[fierce junco]

no thank you

[fierce junco]

thanks boss, its a habit now and all i do is pseudoslide and on other weapons i never use the second dash LOL

might change it to ruthless reflex

[fervent radish]

🤝

I think I would want to try RR shenanigans on everything

Brain is already used to it so why not

[fierce junco]

exactly

[stiff obsidian]

whats a demember

demeeter

[lavish sorrel]

[stiff obsidian]

dont know her

[fervent radish]

I wish there was an ability to not add Demeter to the god pool

[lavish sorrel]

I wish theseus couldn't summon dem

(for low% reasons )

[fervent radish]

I wish dem didn’t exist in the game

[stiff obsidian]

i wonder if past runs influence new runs

because i havent seen delta in a week

must be compensatinf for the past hammers

lke, not even crossed out by ap

straight up not appearing\

[fervent radish]

It’s the Rothschilds manipulating your runs so that the means of a sufficiently large sample follow a normal distribution

[stiff obsidian]

what he said

but seriously tho

its like a 3/12 chance to see delta first hammer right

and ive gone through atleast 30 hammers in the past few days

time to go back to modde

[lavish sorrel]

unless you're AP0 in which case lol lmao

[indigo badge]

approval process is just infuriating difficult
the ||vow of denial|| in h2 is fair difficult. i personally much prefer it over approval process

[short remnant]

Hades just let me pass???

Thank lord I literally had 10 health left

[lavish sorrel]

ggs on 10th win

[short remnant]

Will he always let me pass now or?

[lavish sorrel]

nah

[short remnant]

Just a one time thing

[lavish sorrel]

only on that specific run

[short remnant]

I was so surprised

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162089105308524576/1322659298668576798/tsqOHOS.png?ex=6771adf6&is=67705c76&hm=b30a534a6497e45f98ad89c6ef57f003d88dcdb67cc5df793ff58c19ba5b31c1&

the first run i play after reinstalling mods

[indigo badge]

holy moly 57 heat

[fervent radish]

False has done 60 🙏

And he’s gonna do 62

I believe

[stiff obsidian]

yeah just no time

[hard garden]

If I ||free sisyphus|| do I still get the option of ||three goodies each time I would have encountered him||? Or just ||bouldy's boon||?

[mint coral]

Still get them

[hard garden]

Oh, good. I was kind of contemplating just ||keeping him in eternal suffering to milk him for all he's worth|| lmfao.

[rustic vale]

He offers them to you out of his own goodwill like

He’s not gonna get less goodwilly after you free him

[mint coral]

I think they were expecting sisyphus to just dip permanently

[real hound]

i was expecting that too when i did it 😭

i figured there’d be something to get the reward still tho

[mint coral]

It sounds kinda funny that you could just retire him and skelly lmao

[hard viper]

I'm looking to start some of the pact of punishment challenges. Which ones would you recommend going with that make the game more interesting?

[mint coral]

Extreme measures/benefit package 1

Forced overtime is fun to get used t

[hard garden]

I just saw a shade that said it would do anything for a glimpse of aphrodite and the shade died of dehydration. The shade died of thirst lmfao.

[tepid light]

it is aphrodite we're talking about

[jagged hamlet]

But she's scary

[tepid light]

scary hot, yeah

[half plover]

Chat my Netflix ran out

I can’t play hades no mor

[tepid light]

steam

[fierce junco]

steam

[stiff obsidian]

💀

[fervent radish]

All of them

Sans routine inspection and approval process

[tepid light]

And tight deadline

[stiff obsidian]

no

[fervent radish]

Nah tight deadline is good

[tepid light]

No

Tight deadline sucks

I will always hate tight deadine

[stiff obsidian]

they didnt ask what you like

[tepid light]

I don't like YOU how bout that false

[stiff obsidian]

didnt ask

[tepid light]

banned

[tepid light]

BANNED

[rustic vale]

[fervent radish]

TD goated for removing survival rooms

[rustic vale]

TD is goated for doing literally nothing to the avg run

[fervent radish]

Goated bc you’re forced to play better

[tepid light]

all my homies hate tight deadline

[fervent radish]

Heat would not be as fun without tight deadline

[rustic vale]

Where are your homies

Heat would be way more boring if you could just infinitely stall it out

[fervent radish]

Yeah

It also forced the pacts to not make the game super long

[tepid light]

speak for yourself

[rustic vale]

Imagine if dc, cp, or js had more levels ☠️

[rustic vale]

Afaik they speak for more ppl than I’ve seen anti-TD promoters

[fervent radish]

Cp could be 50 and 100

[fervent radish]

Idk. I like being pushed to play fast

It makes my play cleaner

[tepid light]

But not for me

[tepid light]

Exact opposite for me, makes me nervous and causes me to make mistakes

As I've mentioned, I run TD1 but have never cranked it higher

It scares me

[rustic vale]

1 in a morbillion

sorry 1 in a krillion

[tepid light]

I am well accustomed to this

[rustic vale]

😔

[tepid light]

I'm alright with being apparently the only person in the server who doesn't like working under time crunches

[rustic vale]

Is it a fear of failure thing or what

[tepid light]

See above

[rustic vale]

I sent that message the same second you sent yours

[tepid light]

It's a "i don't like having a timer hanging over my head like an axe" thing

[rustic vale]

🙏

[rustic vale]

Ig

You seem like your average run would be far faster than that axe

[tepid light]

Issue is that even if my runs are in fact faster, just having the timer there makes me anxious and causes me to make mistakes that then cause my runs to be longer

Domino effect basically

[rustic vale]

Mmm

So you’d be fine if the timer was there but you didn’t know it existed

[tepid light]

Honestly yeah