h1-discussion

[lavish sorrel]

No

It's much more reliable to get the 3 hp per chamber. Doesn't look like much on its own, but it definitely is easier to plan around since you know exactly how much hp you'll have by a certain point assuming you don't take damage along the way.

[twilit lodge]

Only suggest dark regeneration if you’re farming darkness

But even then it’s just so you can be a little sloppier because your build might suffer from chasing the darkness boost boons, and then get healed to full after bosses

[glossy frost]

I have a collection of keepsakes, which one should I start a run with?

[lavish sorrel]

Depends on aspect / build you're aiming for.

As a general rule of thumb the three most common starts are poseidon, zeus and ares respectively, each for their own reasons.

[glossy frost]

I either start with Ares or Poseidon on every run

[latent moon]

depending on the aspect that's probably fine tbh

[latent moon]

i'd figure aphrodite would be pretty common

i feel like pos or ares start is mainly a speed thing

less so ares since ME is kinda just the go-to build for a lot of things i guess

but pos def feels like a tdash start bc of speed thing

the only other time that i feel like you'd start pos would be like on beo

[lavish sorrel]

Sure, if you're also including heat I guess aphrodite, artemis, shackle or athena are common too

Or purse if you're retrash

[latent moon]

oh i forgot about athena lmao

ddash start moment

not even a high heat thing that's just a player thing

[latent moon]

real

[glossy frost]

Is the skelly keepsake any good?

[twilit lodge]

Not really once you’ve got other options

It’s useful at the very start because your mirror isn’t built up

[glossy frost]

Should you buy everything from Charon's shop?

[latent moon]

you typically only buy what you need to buy in that run

more boons doesn't mean better build

in styx if you have a ton of gold, then sure you might as well

after you buy like poms and hearts or whatever, then you can buy junk boons if you want

[fervent radish]

good for lernie

[glossy frost]

The furthest I have reach was few chambers after the entrance of Elysium

[fervent radish]

but in 99% of cases you'd be better off taking athena or artemis

[glossy frost]

So far

[tepid plover]

Eh, it's a dd 🤷 does it's job, but it's only a dd

[tepid plover]

I need the thought process on why exactly skelly keepsake is good for lernie specifically

[latent moon]

it's more of a high heat thing

bc like

by lernie you typically dont have that much hp and you can only get chunked for 32 like 3-4 times before you die

so tooth is just extra insurance on top of that

[tepid plover]

I guess yeah

[latent moon]

and also if you dont use tooth after lernie, you can enter ely with 100 hp

[twilit lodge]

If you Already have both your gods locked in, you can “save” a dd for later

Or just get a refill

[latent moon]

and if you have the money somehow and get lucky, cheese a DD from the charon well with it too

and take a different keepsake into ely

so you have both a DD and probably acorn

or earring if you're doing zeus^2 i guess if you want

[fervent radish]

tanks lava better than acorn

also for mirrorless, that's about when you want a second HP pool

[tepid plover]

Don't walk on lava 😭

[fervent radish]

🗿

this is also with high security on

[twilit lodge]

Yeah high heat/speed lernie is usually expecting to get taxed in em2 arena

[twilit lodge]

Easier said than done in em2 arena when trying to be fast or on high heat tho

[fervent radish]

If you can do lernie with 2 SDs worth of health, it’s better utility to take Athena though

[empty copper]

I just found out about the Hades vinyl, are there any plans on that being available again or was it a limited time thing?

[quaint wind]

the dev team doesn't typically check these channels so your best bet for an answer to this question would by contacting sgg on their contact page here: https://www.supergiantgames.com/contact/

[cursive prairie]

Without dash striking how much time is a speed run expected to take

With only the increased speed and attack time heat

[stiff obsidian]

wh y without dashstriking

[cursive prairie]

Im a casual, just got this game because it synergies with a gamepad, not used to button mashing in general

[stiff obsidian]

dash striking is the easier way to do things

[cursive prairie]

I know that

[old bluff]

A lot more goes into a speedrun then dashstriking

So the answer is, it depends

[fervent radish]

It’s also just two buttons tbf

Without dash striking your best bet would probably be Hera

If you reset for flurry first hammer, you’d only be playing a few chambers needing to dash strike

[stiff obsidian]

i dont get why you would want to not dash strike

you would have to intentionally try to not do that and thats rly hard

sounds like a challenge run

[cursive prairie]

You have to press them at the same time

[fervent radish]

And?

I think if you just try it out, you’ll find that it’s easier than you think

[mint coral]

as long as you hit attack during your dash it becomes a dash strike

doesn't need to be at the same time

[fair trail]

Will I lose a duo boon if I sell one of the corresponding single boons???????

Will I lose a duo boon if I drop one of the corresponding single boons?

TIA

[whole lichen]

No

[latent moon]

like 99% of the player base is casual and they all dash strike

except like mobile users bc apparently that's a pain in the ass to do

[mint coral]

No but the duo may stop working depending what pre req you sell

[sand mulch]

my gf def getting the hang of it, she only started playing cuz it was on netflix and its not transferable to a steam acc. so
but I've seen her dash-strike a lot when she streams in our discord

ofc I dont have it mobile so I cant tell how difficult it is, props to her honestly

[stiff obsidian]

time for daily 62 attempt

[fervent radish]

You got it

[stiff obsidian]

doubt

+dash chances or not that high'

cant even do athena aspho because i dont trust myself no not die with 1 dsah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1299796015020380202/BRjQMqz.png?ex=671e80df&is=671d2f5f&hm=5515dc70f19689bd9d767c3e550eac29128677c33a1a0d2132b7f85b1ee7a7b8&

do u just reset if no dash in 2 hermes

sold swift strike

[void atlas]

Does the whole miniboss room is faster rule apply to blue room rewards as well

[stiff obsidian]

wdym blue room

if u mean elite room

not necessarily

it would mean enemies are armoured

so its likely

[void atlas]

idk if that's it but it's like either key/darkness/gems with a skull

likely faster or slower?

[old bluff]

Usually faster if build is good

[latent moon]

on average it's faster yeah

could suck but generally speaking it's faster

[fervent radish]

I guess

[stiff obsidian]

one choked run per day keeps the 62 away

[brisk trail]

I love Dionysus

I probably should've just originally set my username as something Dionysus related lmao

[twilit lodge]

Dionysus is very based

Wish he had more than three useful boons though

[fervent radish]

Vintage, call, trippy?

Attack can be fine if no call

[stiff obsidian]

drink

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[stiff obsidian]

i should try more 62

now

i cant afford to

but want to

[fervent radish]

Just do it

Or take a break

[stiff obsidian]

my coursework

[uncut lake]

im trying to get the night and darkness prophecy fulfilled but i just cant seem to do it even after like 15+ conversations with chaos and nyx is there something i can do to get it easier?🙏

[fervent radish]

Same

[stiff obsidian]

ill do yours and you do mine

[twilit lodge]

Was thinking call vintage drink

Trippy is only good for one aspect

So I wasn’t really considering it

[fervent radish]

What is yours

[fervent radish]

Arthur and beo

[stiff obsidian]

got to do primary and secondary research on road conditions and driving situation in my city and then create a game where u recreate those conditions so users can experience them

buddy dipped

👎

[fervent radish]

[stiff obsidian]

i wonder ifi can do em4 monodash

i highly doubt it

[fervent radish]

Could try

[tepid plover]

Extreme measures gonna go so hard. I can't wait

[fervent radish]

EM4 🗿

[tepid plover]

Best thing happened to this game frfr, that guitar goes hard

[dire epoch]

mobile is such a headache

this is just my second escape...
i have been playing this for like 3 weeks!!!

i will just buy hades 2 on pc tbh...

cant bother to do more escapes

[tepid plover]

That's usually how it be for fast action games yeah

[dire epoch]

on my phone yeah
i would be alot more comfortable if it was on pc but well i cant transport saves and i was already far enough anyways...

[jagged hamlet]

Didn't reach the credits

[twilit lodge]

Could try a Bluetooth controller

[dire epoch]

more expensive than hades 2

go figure

[jagged hamlet]

You're like 15% done with Hades 1!

[tepid plover]

Well but you can't play hades 2 on the go you know

Id def get one if i had an iphone

[glossy frost]

Hey guys, what do you reckon is the average number of escape attempts?

[stiff obsidian]

20-50

u mean attempts until first clear right

[glossy frost]

Ye

[stiff obsidian]

its different for everyone, and doesnt really reflect on how good you are

rather what pace you chose to progress

i took near 90

[glossy frost]

I am currently at 50+ attempts

And so far, I have reached Elysium

[stiff obsidian]

what do u usually use

[glossy frost]

What do you mean?

[stiff obsidian]

weapon

[glossy frost]

Exagryph

[stiff obsidian]

nice, that is a good one for first clear

[glossy frost]

I normally get the 5 bombs upgrade

And have specials create bladerifts

How you you obtain crystals after defeating the bone hydra?

[stiff obsidian]

defeat it with other weapons

[stiff obsidian]

specials cant create blade rifts

[glossy frost]

There was a boon that said it creates bladerifts when using a special

[tepid plover]

nope

[glossy frost]

Have I been imagining things?

[tepid plover]

im afraid so

only cast, dash and call create blade rift

[glossy frost]

Guys, what do you like and hate about Hades game and why?

[stiff obsidian]

i like ap2

i hate ap2

[tepid plover]

I too like ap2, I hate we dont have all olympians (yes I know modding, but still

[tepid light]

i like the writing, the character design, the gameplay loop, the music

what i don't like is the lack of variety in content as you get deeper into the game

[lavish sorrel]

there are many things I like and many things I don't like about the videogame, in both cases too many in fact to list here.

[glossy frost]

How about at least one for each?

[lavish sorrel]

what I like: How most aspects feel to play. (but by far not the only thing)
what I dislike: f###ing styx sack rng (but by far not the only thing)

[glossy frost]

What I like about it is that every run is different, giving you different upgrades and different enemies to face. What I do not like about it is the many different currencies included within the game because it's just too broad.

[tepid plover]

Oh bro, do i have news for you 😳

[mint coral]

Aren't there like, 7

[tepid plover]

Wait till bro hops on hades 2

[zinc ridge]

By currencies, you mean Artifacts?

Chthonic Keys, Darkness, Gemstones, Nectar, Ambrosia, Diamonds, Titan Blood, Centaur Hearts, Charon's Obols, Poms of Power?

[tepid plover]

Well half of those are currencies, wdym artifacts lmao

[zinc ridge]

they're... called artifacts in the codex.

[tepid plover]

Oh well, currency in gaming is used as whatever system you have to buy trade do that sort of stuff

From that list being keys, darkness, gemstones, nectar, diamonds, and blood
Obols are run currency so I doubt they were referring to that

[zinc ridge]

you mainly focus on these ones, collected on nearly every run:
chthonic keys — used outside of a run to unlock weapons, trade with the wretched broker, and revealing new passive effects at the mirror of night.
**darkness **— used outside of a run as a major currency, an outside counterpart to obols which are used during a run. upgrade passives at the mirror of night and various other stuff.
gemstones — used outside of a run as a lesser currency for furnishing the house of hades and trading with the wretched broker.
nectar — used at any time once a run (and after the run) to gift to characters and progress your relationships with them. first time gifting usually gives you a keepsake from that character.

then there are bounty artifacts, obtained after killing a boss once during valid bounty runs:
titan blood — used outside of a run to upgrades weapon aspects.
diamond — gemstones, but rarer (and better). used in furnishing the house of hades through the house contractor.
ambrosia — nectar, but rarer (and better). gifting of a certain amount of ambrosia to certain characters will give you a companion from that character.

now, run artifacts:
centaur heart — for the run only, increases health by 25 at base.
charon's obol — darkness, but lasts only for this run. trade obols for other artifacts, boons, and etc. through charon's shops or in his well.
pom of power — for the run only, increases the stat of a boon of your choosing.

me myself i can find myself pretty easily managing these resources

it's a roguelike, so you accumulate these over time over multiple runs, not a one-and-done situation

[tepid plover]

i know how they work, and im pretty sure the person above does too lmao

[zinc ridge]

i was just saying

[tepid plover]

ok

[zinc ridge]

btw what does AP2 religion mean

[tepid plover]

it means i worship ap2

[zinc ridge]

what's ap2

[stiff obsidian]

what

[tepid plover]

approval process 2

[zinc ridge]

oh

[stiff obsidian]

why wuuld you worship ap2

[zinc ridge]

that's

[tepid plover]

cause i can

[stiff obsidian]

whwtas rhte reason

[tepid plover]

i find it fun

[stiff obsidian]

oka

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1283257373187903488/bonk.gif

[tepid plover]

[zinc ridge]

i like how hot the characters are

i also like how in-depth the dialogue is

[tepid plover]

just like the other sgg games, hades is a novel disguised as a roguelike

[zinc ridge]

but i progress fast enough that the dialogue pool is too inflated which makes it so that the dialogue about the things i've done need to catch up since generally you can only talk to someone once a run and after it

meg was guilting me on trespassing through elysium when i have already completed the ending and it is my literal job description to do so

[zinc ridge]

i've been meaning to check out the other games

transistor for one

and pyre

[cursive prairie]

How does the dialogue pool work snyways

I just talk to anyone thst has exclamation nark

[stiff obsidian]

ur mom

[tepid plover]

basically

[zinc ridge]

there's just pieces of dialogue basically, and when you interact with someone they take out a random piece of dialogue from that pool

not FULLY sure, but i believe there's some priority over which dialogue gets picked too

so that's why certain pieces of dialogue appear earlier than certain other ones

[tepid plover]

yup, lines do have priority depending on recent events

[zinc ridge]

mhm

[timid mortar]

How do I trigger "End to the Torment" quest line?

And also "Divided by Death" one too

[brisk trail]

So wait what counts as a "chamber" for Stubborn Defiance?

[zinc ridge]

"End to Torment" needs you to give Sisyphus 6 bottles of Nectar and activate a piece of his dialogue which details how he earned his punishment. Then, you need to be introduced to Bouldy and talk to him. That should trigger the prophecy.

[zinc ridge]

Hmm?

Could you be more specific?

[tepid plover]

a room with enemies

[brisk trail]

It resets every time I click on a door correct?

[zinc ridge]

Give 6 bottles of Nectar to Achilles and Patroclus, and complete either End to Torment or Musician and Muse.

[tepid plover]

nvm, chambers are all rooms

[timid mortar]

It resets per chamber afaik

[tepid plover]

encounters are the ones with enemies

[zinc ridge]

Those are encounters

yeah

[zinc ridge]

Yeah, yeah

[tepid plover]

chambers are called locations in h2, got confused

[timid mortar]

Ah, I see. Makes sense why it didn't unlock even though I've maximised my bond with both

[zinc ridge]

Yep, they'll cost a hefty price of Diamonds to complete though 👀

[zinc ridge]

they are?? 😭

that's so weird lol

[timid mortar]

😮

[brisk trail]

Because I just got like 2 passive limited increases to stubborn defiance regen amount: 10% for 11 more encounters and 50% for 13 more encounters. I just beat up Theseus and Asterius and I used it once and it gave me like 240 out of 270 health

[timid mortar]

Im trying for musician and muse and it takes a lot of time to practice the harp lel

[zinc ridge]

Musician and Muse doesn't require practicing with the Lyre at all, though?

[stiff obsidian]

yes

when u play sd u want to get the sd boost thingy item from patty

[brisk trail]

that was crazy

yeah holy crap

[zinc ridge]

You just need to get Orpheus to sing Good Riddance (give him Nectar and talk to him a lot), and speak to Eurydice at least twice.

[brisk trail]

I also have 5 dashes in a row

[zinc ridge]

Greatest Reflex is awesome

Hermes is such a goat

[brisk trail]

Absolutely

[stiff obsidian]

🥲

[brisk trail]

I seriously am trying to get Greatest Reflex to Heroic rarity but my goodness it is difficult 😭

[zinc ridge]

why would you go that far 😭

[stiff obsidian]

i cannot get it at all

[zinc ridge]

rare or epic is seriously way good enough

[brisk trail]

because I'm insane

[zinc ridge]

pretty sure i haven't ever gotten a heroic rarity boon from hermes

a legendary yeah, greater recall

Rare Crop only works on "main" boons, right?

[brisk trail]

I'm not sure

[zinc ridge]

Attack/Special/Cast/Dash/Aid?

[brisk trail]

I think I've gotten a Hermes rarity upgrade from it before but I'm not sure

[zinc ridge]

I had only one "main" boon but Rare Crop said it was going to improve 2 boons, and it only improved the one "main" boon

[brisk trail]

Ah damn it

Screw you Hermes!!!

[zinc ridge]

what's your opinion on demeter?

i think its a pretty cool choice they decided to make her the snowy god

[brisk trail]

Wait hold on, what if his RNG is kinda linked to nectar or something?

[zinc ridge]

well, goddess

[brisk trail]

demeter is alright

Chill is useful but I really don't like it on main weapons

[zinc ridge]

fun fact hermes has a son called autolycus who could turn invisible anything he stole

[brisk trail]

Attack*

[zinc ridge]

i tried a full demeter set

almost got all the "main" boons as demeter

it was fine

[brisk trail]

Dionysus is cool cuz hangover can just wreck everything

[zinc ridge]

dionysus is awesome hell yeah

i paired him with athena on one run and demeter on another

just some really cool damage

[brisk trail]

I mean I stg I'm pretty sure I accidentally got Asterius drunk because he rammed into Theseus 😂

[zinc ridge]

LMAO

that's so funny lol

[brisk trail]

I got Zeus on the attack so pretty much Drunk Lightning

[zinc ridge]

i don't really like Zeus boons tbh

[brisk trail]

They can be pretty useful sometimes

[zinc ridge]

i've plenty avoided them with fated authority dice

however, his aid is kinda good

[timid mortar]

Then?

[zinc ridge]

so if i don't go for artemis or even demeter, i go zeus

[timid mortar]

I thought that's what you do

[zinc ridge]

#h1-discussion message

[timid mortar]

And also just checked I have "End of Torment" triggered. I suplose now I improve relationship with Megaera?

[zinc ridge]

You just need to get Orpheus to sing Good Riddance (give him Nectar and talk to him a lot), and speak to Eurydice at least twice.

[zinc ridge]

Up to you

[timid mortar]

I guess the relationship should be of 6 hearts?

[brisk trail]

Honestly if I really go with Zeus will probably change once I look at what things I actually need for the Poseidon Duo boon

[zinc ridge]

Essentially just story progression

he'll sing in time

my favorite duo boon is probably Merciful End (Ares x Athena)

[brisk trail]

Because if I can have Poseidon on both attack and dash and then get 2 of the bonus damage boons, ESPECIALLY the one for bosses

[zinc ridge]

Poseidon boons are cool

[brisk trail]

I legit completely destroyed the Asterius miniboss fight

[zinc ridge]

i like the ones that give you free stuff lmao

[old bluff]

Pls don’t put Pos on attack

[brisk trail]

Lmao same

Why the hell not?

[zinc ridge]

experimenting is always cool

[old bluff]

It has the lowest %, and the knock back is pretty awful

[zinc ridge]

imagine Poseidon boons, but instead of knockback it brings enemies to you

[brisk trail]

I've actually done the most damage with Pos soooo

[zinc ridge]

a grapple boon would be awesome

[old bluff]

It’s also partially that I get flashbacks to that one time 3 people said Sea Storm with Pos attack was the best combo in the game

[zinc ridge]

damn

[brisk trail]

Only other time I even got close to how fast I was tearing through boss health (and regular enemies) was when I had Merciful End. This Zeus and Dionysus thing is currently absolutely demolishing regular enemies but it struggles a bit with large health bars

[zinc ridge]

for real, Merciful End is crazy good

[old bluff]

Do you have jolted?

[brisk trail]

With Pos, Asterius was calling time out in less than a minute

[brisk trail]

Of course lmao

[zinc ridge]

couldn't beat Hades em4 twice though 😔

[old bluff]

Scint feast is a super fun Duo ngl

[zinc ridge]

just got a skill issue

[whole lichen]

Really? Scintillating feast + some more Zeus boons make it insane

Double strike especially

[brisk trail]

I mean I don't have Scint feast, Dionysus never gave me a cast

[whole lichen]

Ah

[zinc ridge]

dionysus cast is pretty good tbh
what are your thoughts on it?

[brisk trail]

And besides, my preferred thing is to just blitz enemies with the full force

[whole lichen]

It’s insane with Beowulf but it’s my fav aspect so I’m biased

[zinc ridge]

I use Stygius, Aspect of Nemesis. What do you think about Aspect of Arthur?

[brisk trail]

I have yet to really use cast more than a few times, I need to get used to doing it

[whole lichen]

Arthur is powerful but slow (less fun)

[brisk trail]

I have the worst aim possible

[old bluff]

It’s pretty slow, but a lot of people like it

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah i do want to turn off my brain and just ZOOM kill

that's part of the hades charm

[whole lichen]

Hermes be like:

[zinc ridge]

real

[brisk trail]

I mean I won using Exagryph but doesn't that have like a hammer upgrade that makes the shots track enemies?

[zinc ridge]

i have never tried weapons other than the sword 😭

[brisk trail]

Oof

[zinc ridge]

i'm afraid of them tbh

they seem unwieldy

[brisk trail]

I'm using Malphon Twin Fists rn

[zinc ridge]

just let me go bash bash bash

hehe swor

[brisk trail]

man try them out you're missing out

[zinc ridge]

i probably will

after i get to like 20 heat with the sword

i'm at 16 now

cause i hear thats when bounties stop appearing

[timid mortar]

So used to double dash that struggling without it for Dark Reflections achievement 💀

Pray now that I get Hermes soon

[brisk trail]

so the heat gauge like upgrades for each weapon?

[timid mortar]

No. For a specific weapon

[zinc ridge]

wdym?

[timid mortar]

If you don't 16 heat for sword, then it is only for sword. You can do it again with the shield

[zinc ridge]

the pact of punishment applies bounties for each weapon

[whole lichen]

Go aspect of Gilgamesh

[timid mortar]

Will go for it the next run

[zinc ridge]

yeah yeah if you have 16 heat for sword but have never used shield, that's basically 0 heat for shield minimum to get bounties

[old bluff]

Or shield

Shield does mono dash really well

[zinc ridge]

or am i giving the wrong answer 😭

cause i feel like you know how the pact of punishment works

[timid mortar]

But giving nectar to Bouldy even worth?

[brisk trail]

Yeah I'm saying once you complete a run with one weapon you can increase the heat for that weapon?

[zinc ridge]

it's the only in-run use for nectar tbh

[whole lichen]

Yes you can get bounties at the same heat with multiple weapons

[timid mortar]

Yes

[zinc ridge]

yeah

[brisk trail]

But you have to do it for each weapon

[zinc ridge]

bounty increases by 1 heat after completing a run by a specific weapon

[brisk trail]

Dear God this is gonna be crazy

[zinc ridge]

yeah i bet i can get like 20 heat with all weapons

i'll probably go... fists first?

[brisk trail]

maybe i can

[zinc ridge]

that seems closest to sword.

then, spear

[brisk trail]

im really bad at this

[zinc ridge]

or shield, idk

last is def gonna be the gun tho, ranged is not my thing 😭

[whole lichen]

I find fists harder because you need to be closest to enemies

But to each their own

[zinc ridge]

that's interesting

[brisk trail]

the spear is really good, there's literally an upgrade that increases the distance of the attack and deals more damage to distant foes

[timid mortar]

I can manage anything but not gun

[brisk trail]

I've used the spear so many times

[timid mortar]

I've finished run with bow and it's my slowest so far

[brisk trail]

I hate the bow

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah bow/gun

[old bluff]

The spear has one of the best hammers in the game on 2 aspects called Flurry Jab

[zinc ridge]

why?

[whole lichen]

Just get delta chamber + Zeus attack then it’s

[timid mortar]

That too with ||Rama's aspect|| which is vool

[brisk trail]

I legit can never aim

[zinc ridge]

dyno really said "language!!!"

😭

[zinc ridge]

yeah i get that

especially in the heat of combat

like

my accuracy goes down -200%

[timid mortar]

Bow is cool. It's secret aspect is the best

[old bluff]

Do you have aim assist on?

[whole lichen]

I raise 5x Special Rockets on Eris

[old bluff]

I raise you Cshot on Beo

[brisk trail]

I'm so bad at it that I've accidentally shot a wall the exact opposite direction of a boss

[zinc ridge]

yeah this might be the problem

[zinc ridge]

😭

i dont think aim assist can help THAT

[brisk trail]

LMFAO

[whole lichen]

Beo is my fav aspect but hammers are meh after that

[old bluff]

Yeah, only Cshot is really good on Beo

[brisk trail]

Oh I forgot I have the bonus attack to foes with cast stuck in them

I'd use bow if I could safely just blitz with special

[zinc ridge]

usually i have two strats for runs: stack up a load of obols, like ≈1000 or so by the end of elysium, or actually sensibly use my brain and determine priorities for certain items

[brisk trail]

Also Asphodel SUCKS

[tepid light]

the lava?

[old bluff]

Assphodel

[brisk trail]

yeah

[zinc ridge]

i always dash into the lava lol 😭

[tepid light]

yeah it's nasty

[brisk trail]

same

[whole lichen]

Lava is annoying especially with KBM

[zinc ridge]

what's kbm

[tepid light]

and heightened security

[whole lichen]

Keyboard mouse

[tepid light]

keyboard mouse

[zinc ridge]

oh

[whole lichen]

I never take it

[zinc ridge]

yeah heightened security

[whole lichen]

Only for the prophecy once

[zinc ridge]

ye never took

[brisk trail]

I specifically try to get spear and the distance upgrade just for Asphodel because WOOO BOI

[zinc ridge]

what prophecy?

[tepid light]

i use it because i'm getting to higher levels of heat and as awful as it is i hate all the other heat options even more

[zinc ridge]

what's your heat right now?

[whole lichen]

And I got a chaos boon that increases it further in that run, forgetting about it. One trap oneshotted me

[zinc ridge]

heck yeah chaos boons are awesome

[brisk trail]

I'm at 1 heat on twin fists

[whole lichen]

I didn’t even take it at 32

[zinc ridge]

sometimes i forget what chamber im on and accidentally fight the boss while there's an absolutely detrimental chaos debuff tho 😭

[zinc ridge]

nice

have you tried the sword?

[tepid light]

i'm past 32

[brisk trail]

I have yet to beat the game with the sword

I really suck at everything

[zinc ridge]

yet to beat the game with the fists

[zinc ridge]

NO DON'T SAY THAT

[tepid light]

practice, practice

everyone sucked in the beginning

[whole lichen]

It’s so annoying that idk when I’d have to take it lmao

[zinc ridge]

it's all about progress :))

tbh 1 heat is already quite a feat

[tepid light]

yeah that's the thing about heat, eventually you'll have to take the pacts you hate if you want to keep climbing

[brisk trail]

To put it simply: I'm so dumb I accidentally dodged into Lernie's head smash when I was literally out of the area of effect

[whole lichen]

I think by the time I have 32 on all weapons Hades 2 would be out of the early access

[zinc ridge]

damn

i always ram into the AoE head bonk 😭

its so annoyingggg

[tepid light]

here's hoping

[brisk trail]

By the time I've beat the game 20 times, Hades 2 will be out

[tepid light]

the damn bonk head on lernie is such aids

[brisk trail]

I legit just stand there waiting for lernie to do it

Bro just stared me down for like a full minute once 😭

[zinc ridge]

that's wild

also the bone eggs are annoying but manageable

they die when you kill lernie anyway so

[brisk trail]

ye

[zinc ridge]

when lernie goes into his final phase i just artemis aid and insta-kill him lol

it literally SHREDS through him 😭

[brisk trail]

I've beaten lernie up so many times I OCCASIONALLY take damage

[zinc ridge]

i love artemis aid

[zinc ridge]

no way you've no-hit lernie?

[brisk trail]

Artemis aid is pure goat sauce

[stiff obsidian]

the last phase shouldnt take more than 10 seconds anyway

[brisk trail]

close to it

[stiff obsidian]

its very weak

[zinc ridge]

yeah yeah

yeah the real troubles are the extra heads

[stiff obsidian]

its like only 2k hp

[zinc ridge]

lernie healthbar is pretty small

mhm

[stiff obsidian]

yea

[zinc ridge]

but those zeus-forsaken heads

[tepid light]

[stiff obsidian]

?

[zinc ridge]

middle management gorgon and stampy is pretty bad tbh

i hate the shockwave that the rock guy does

and of course the darn petrification

[tepid light]

how i'd love it if i could spend only 10 sec on lernie final phase with my pact

[brisk trail]

but now if I had Hermes auto gauge fill, artemis aid, and any boons that increase the rate on doing damage or something (and the automatically 25% filled), dude I could actually do a no-hit lernie

[zinc ridge]

i always use divine dash to avoid the petrification but it never works??? 😭

[zinc ridge]

dang yeah that would be cool

[stiff obsidian]

im playing 62 heat and it doesnt take more than that

[brisk trail]

Wait artemis is the wrong one

[tepid light]

yeah well ur smelly

how bout that

[stiff obsidian]

[brisk trail]

yeah well

im stinky

[zinc ridge]

i am pungent

[brisk trail]

hold on, is there anything in the game that can like close to one shot a boss?

[zinc ridge]

probably

the thing is, bosses go invulnerable during phase shifts

but if you mean sheer damage vs hp

there's probably a powerful enough build

[tepid light]

a fair few ways yeah, depending on aspect and build

[brisk trail]

the only other thing I can think of to deal with Charon is either Pos with extra damage to bosses, Merciful End, or something

[stiff obsidian]

a lot of things

[zinc ridge]

i wish there was a mod that brought Hades 2 exclusive boons to Hades 1

[brisk trail]

I'm honestly terrified of Satyrs

[stiff obsidian]

im assuming 'one shot' just generally means phasing in less than 1 second etc

[zinc ridge]

i hate vermin poison

[zinc ridge]

yeah

[brisk trail]

Why in the world does poison deal like over 50 damage in less than 30 seconds

[zinc ridge]

fr

[tepid light]

because lmao styx

[zinc ridge]

i think it's like 1 damage per 0.5 seconds

could be less

yeah well styx sucks

and it's boo

[tepid light]

and because otherwise the satyrs do little to no damage to you

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah true

[stiff obsidian]

50 damage in 30 seconds is actually quite low lol

30 seconds is a lot

[zinc ridge]

i thought so too

might be a 1 damage per 0.25 sec business

[tepid light]

and reflecting the poision back at enemies and watching them instantly melt is funny

[zinc ridge]

let me see

[brisk trail]

Also I'm either really bad at standing in the correct spot for the cure thing or it just does not activate but I've literally died right next to the cure thing while spamming the interact button

[zinc ridge]

lmao true

[zinc ridge]

i just fight and dash while spamming E to cure

[tepid light]

it's possible you're getting re-poisoned as soon as you use the cure

[zinc ridge]

doesn't even matter where i am, lol

[tepid light]

and there is a brief cooldown with the cure pools

[brisk trail]

Me in the middle of styx: "Dear God please please PLEASE CURE PLEASE CURE"

[zinc ridge]

me fr

[brisk trail]

I think the giant rats that leak poison are worse

doesn't matter if you're hitting them

[zinc ridge]

fun fact the cure stations are made of mandrakes, or mandragora

[brisk trail]

I had a really weird thing where I was doing my dash strike but none of my attacks were hitting enemies for like 10 hits (and no I don't have that pact of punishment on)

[zinc ridge]

dang

what is your pack of punishment?

[brisk trail]

more enemies

[zinc ridge]

which one did you choose

ah dang

the easiest one for me is the one that sets your time limit to 9 minutes at base, i always choose that first

[brisk trail]

which might bite me in the [REDACTED] in this next few sections

[zinc ridge]

oh no 😭

[tepid light]

my opinion is the exact opposite, increased enemies and increased enemy health were two of the earliest pact modifiers i took

i much prefer a bit of extra hp on enemies to having a timer over my head

[stiff obsidian]

the 9 min timer does not hang over your head

its more like

[zinc ridge]

i can comfortably do 9 minutes, 7 minutes less so but still very doable

it's also not 9 minutes on each region exactly

[brisk trail]

oh don't get me wrong I love this I just mean I'm in styx, more poison guys is NOT very good

[stiff obsidian]

closer to orbiting the moon than over your head

[zinc ridge]

the leftover time from the previous region is compounded on your other minutes

[zinc ridge]

for real 😭

but 5 minutes is still too hard for me tho

[stiff obsidian]

thats fair

[zinc ridge]

you can always pause tho, i do that when choosing chambers

[tepid light]

we've been over this, for me at least it doesn't matter how long the timer is, just having it there irks me and makes me anxious

[zinc ridge]

yeah i can see that

[stiff obsidian]

thats fair too

[zinc ridge]

time pressure is very much a thing

[brisk trail]

I usually make chamber choices in less than 5 seconds

[stiff obsidian]

im forced into it sadly but i almost never hit it

[zinc ridge]

damn fr?

[old bluff]

Most runners pause when making descions

[tepid light]

things like more enemies or more hp for enemies doesn't matter as much if you can take all the time you want to deal with them slowly and safely

but a timer throws a wrench into that

[zinc ridge]

the (Or else...) is crazy fr, lost a death defiance while quickly trying to kill off theseus 😭

[brisk trail]

Okay? I'm just saying I make decisions fast

[zinc ridge]

im assuming you don't have the timer punishment on?

[mint coral]

I mean, if you take your time you are bound to commit more mistakes during long fights

[zinc ridge]

do you have fated authority?

[tepid light]

i do

but i've had it at only level 1 for like 20 heat levels by now

[stiff obsidian]

you would make 30+ decisions across a run, that time loss would compound into several minutes

[mint coral]

Tbh I think the worst part of +enemies/+hp is how little heat they add for what they bring

[zinc ridge]

i see

[tepid light]

i'm not sure i follow

if you're not operating on a time limit, that gives you more leeway to observe situations and keep yourself safe

whereas if you feel like you need to clear a room right now to save time, you will naturally be anxious and make more mistakes

[stiff obsidian]

its artificial difficulty that you cant 'skill' your way through / find a short cut

[brisk trail]

Well I'm never doing the time limit

[stiff obsidian]

almost every other pact can be worked around by learning different patterns./ making different decisions

but for extra enemies/hp you just have to go through them

[zinc ridge]

it's kind of a staple of games tbh

[brisk trail]

And again, there literally is barely even a pause for me...?

[zinc ridge]

harder difficulty pretty much always means bigger health n stuff

[stiff obsidian]

i know

[mint coral]

Just skip all the biomes clearly

[zinc ridge]

yeah fr, just use the eldest sigil ong

[stiff obsidian]

one thing about js and cp

[zinc ridge]

not tryna be rude but did you answer my question 😭

[stiff obsidian]

they artificially increase the value of a skip

[zinc ridge]

can you sue Hades for making a pact of punishment? cause for one, contract means two parties agree on it, and i never agreed lol ||/j||

[whole lichen]

Hades having more health is dangerous for newer players imo

[zinc ridge]

a skip?

[stiff obsidian]

free room

[old bluff]

Like a story room or a fountain

[zinc ridge]

ah yeah

[stiff obsidian]

fountain shop storyrom

[zinc ridge]

that makes sense

story room?

[old bluff]

Than

[brisk trail]

Hold on does the stuff in Charons shop in styx have better rarity stuff?

[stiff obsidian]

❗

[old bluff]

Eury, Bouldy, and patty

[zinc ridge]

yes, but significantly pricier

[tepid light]

but if you don't have a time limit to worry about, you can chip away at that increased hp with less worry

[brisk trail]

I mean why in the world is a Hermes boon 500 gold

[zinc ridge]

ah okay, the sparkly question mark rooms

[zinc ridge]

it has boosted rarity

[brisk trail]

oh my god

OH MY GOD

[zinc ridge]

yeahhh

[old bluff]

And it can be a third Hermes

[brisk trail]

OH MY GOD

[whole lichen]

You get hit more though, assuming you are regularly getting hit

[mint coral]

People are bound to commit mistakes during the fight

[zinc ridge]

yeah yeah yeah

[brisk trail]

HOLY GOD

[mint coral]

You don't wanna be dealing with him for longer

[zinc ridge]

poms are 300, but increase lvl by 2 instead of 1

[stiff obsidian]

i was trying to figure out when u get hermes boons for 500 because i was sure i had never seen one

[zinc ridge]

styx charon shop

boosted hermes bones is 500, while boosted other god boons are 450

[mint coral]

Also yeah expensive boins have guaranteed rare/boosted for epic/lower for duos-legendaries

[tepid light]

yes

and having the anxiety of a timer can also make you make mistakes, no?

[old bluff]

CF pilled lmao

[mint coral]

Was this bc you play on cf2 or you keep getting anvil

[brisk trail]

Oh that's right I have 274 max health so when I get poisoned it does almost nothing to me

[whole lichen]

Just get exclusive access

[stiff obsidian]

yeah i always play with convenience fee on

[stiff obsidian]

cf

[mint coral]

Lmao

[zinc ridge]

oh

NEVER tried convenience fee, just because 40% is huge

[zinc ridge]

lol nice

[whole lichen]

Convenience fee is lowkey annoying when you need just that boon and it’s 20 obols too expensive

[mint coral]

False is doing 62h attempts so kinda forced lol

[zinc ridge]

oh ok dang

[brisk trail]

oh my goodness I can just use my fist special to pull the rats out of their poison pools

[zinc ridge]

i hear 64 heat is imposssible, yeah? 😭

[mint coral]

It has been done

[whole lichen]

It’s been done

[tepid light]

no, a couple players have managed it

[zinc ridge]

IT HAS?!

[old bluff]

Nope

[whole lichen]

lol

[mint coral]

Quite a few times actually

[brisk trail]

bruh I've seen someone with 9999 heat

[old bluff]

By quite a few players

[whole lichen]

That’s Bouldy

[zinc ridge]

that's insane

[mint coral]

Unmodded/not routed I think we only have angel's tho?

[old bluff]

There is a list somewhere

[brisk trail]

What

[whole lichen]

Just kidding

[stiff obsidian]

The way mysterra and playad do them youd think they'd trivialized 64 heat

[old bluff]

Bai and Angel

[mint coral]

Ah

[stiff obsidian]

It's pinnes

[zinc ridge]

Bouuldy kicked Hades' butt on 9999 heat and died cause he couldn't stay up there for too long 😔

[stiff obsidian]

Pinned

#h1-victory-boasting

[brisk trail]

I actually might let myself die soon so I get basically almost a full heal

[tepid light]

but yeah to amend my point: i'm not saying that increased enemy hp won't cause you to have a harder time, i'm saying that the timer can also just as well make someone have a harder time and make more mistakes

if only because of the psychological effect of "numbers ticking down gotta go faster" and thus playing sloppily

[old bluff]

baj unmodded seeded
mysterra modded unseeded
angel modded unseeded
angel unmodded unseeded
bai unmodded unseeded
poshboy modded unseeded
other chinese player i forgot the name of modded unseeded
Vaxon modded unseeded
Playad modded unseeded
amb unmodded seeded
Timothy unseeded hypermodded guan yu

[zinc ridge]

woah

[zinc ridge]

yeah i get that

[whole lichen]

You need to pick the time limit you are comfortable with that I agree
I can make do with 5 min but it makes me rush too much

[tepid light]

was mostly responding to detour and charged shot

[brisk trail]

Eh oh well

[tepid light]

yeah and as i mentioned i just hate timers in general and just having it there makes me play worse

[zinc ridge]

5 minutes is way too crazy for me 😭 how do you do that

[tepid light]

practice, practice, practice

[mint coral]

Just get the boons™

[old bluff]

Just play the game more ngl

[brisk trail]

And I didn't have like the damn near 80% stubborn defiance heal anymore 😭

[zinc ridge]

i love git gud

[zinc ridge]

dang

[old bluff]

Pausing when making decisions

[zinc ridge]

yeah i do that

[brisk trail]

Bruh

[zinc ridge]

there's also the matter of whether i should reroll this room or not 😭

[brisk trail]

Hermes just gave me the message from Charon thing

COME ON

[old bluff]

Run Fated Persuasion

[zinc ridge]

real

[brisk trail]

Bruh didn't give me anything good

[mint coral]

Ideally you use persuasion instead of auth

[zinc ridge]

how is it compared to authority?

[brisk trail]

Not even a trace of anything better than rare

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah i remember in my past runs i used pers

[brisk trail]

And I only had 3 reroll things so two rerolls

[zinc ridge]

yea i just restarted my runs from 0 again, used to play hades back in 2023 or so

[old bluff]

10x times better. Being able to control what you get from boons makes it prob the strongest or second strongest mirror upgrade

[zinc ridge]

i'm at about ≈70 or so attempts now

[brisk trail]

Well I'm definitely not winning this time

[tepid light]

here's how i'd phrase it:

authority might give you the god you want, but does not help with getting the boon you want, and might just leave you with a dead boon

whereas persuasion can make it far more likely that you'd get the boon you want, which is more important

[brisk trail]

Damn it

[zinc ridge]

yeah that makes sense

[brisk trail]

unless you run out of the rerolls

then you're kinda screwed

[tepid light]

i used authority a lot when i first started playing too, but switched to persuasion when i realized the advantage

[zinc ridge]

does that mean i need to spend MORE darkness after maxing out authority 😭

[tepid light]

well that's not a problem specific to persuasion of course

[tepid light]

yepyep

[stiff obsidian]

I got to join this list before i quit

[mint coral]

Reset your mirror :p

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah you can do that

[mint coral]

Auth is more expensive to max than persuasion by like 1k darkness iirc

[zinc ridge]

no actual way you can be a sigma in hades

i want to work towards getting the Unseen One title

[old bluff]

It'll take a while

[mint coral]

o7

[old bluff]

325k darkness is kinda a lot

[zinc ridge]

yeah that's the main issue 😭

haven't even got a special completed run theme

[brisk trail]

Well second phase of Hades and I've got like 40 health...

[zinc ridge]

i always keep my Death Defiances for Hades

[brisk trail]

I really wish I got Athena aid

[zinc ridge]

what's your aid rn?

[brisk trail]

Zeus

[tepid light]

zeus is great for damage

not so much if you just want an invuln panic button

[rustic vale]

Homie has one of the two best damage calls and goes “I need athena”

[brisk trail]

I'm about to die in less than 3 seconds

[tepid light]

banned for bullying the new players smh my head

[rustic vale]

All calls work as invul panic buttons

Just get your iframes

[brisk trail]

Bruh I'm at 40 health, no lucky tooth left, no stubborn defiance left

[tepid light]

gotcha lemme just pop zeus call and then eat hades spin and it'll do no dmg right

[brisk trail]

LMFAOOOOO

[rustic vale]

If you time it right yeah

[old bluff]

Actually, if you time it right, yes

[zinc ridge]

i do like invulnerable panic buttons

[tepid light]

you know what i mean

[zinc ridge]

what's the other one

[old bluff]

Dio

[rustic vale]

dionysus

[tepid light]

dionysus

[zinc ridge]

REALLY??? ive been avoiding it

[rustic vale]

[tepid light]

i'm not gonna start whining about "optimal" calls again but yeah

[brisk trail]

I knew Dio would show up eventually

[stiff obsidian]

Dio is one of the rly good boons that I just personally don't like

[zinc ridge]

i mainly use artemis or demeter, or zeus

[rustic vale]

One of those is a good call

[stiff obsidian]

Demetrr is hot garbage pls don't use

[brisk trail]

I need to go for damn Dionysus more often

[stiff obsidian]

Arty is quite nice the small call charges fast

[tepid light]

i'm pretty sure everyone in this server can say what my call preferences are at this point

with how often i've brought it up

[zinc ridge]

isnt it good if you have the one that clears and inflicts damage on 10 chill? 😭

[rustic vale]

Could not

[brisk trail]

yeah that took about 15 seconds

[old bluff]

I can't

[stiff obsidian]

Not really

[rustic vale]

No

[stiff obsidian]

It's negligible

[rustic vale]

Are your preferences like artemis and aphrodite for big burst damage

[tepid light]

oh dang

[brisk trail]

Nope it's absolute crap

[tepid light]

i guess i haven't whined enough /jk

[zinc ridge]

damn...

[brisk trail]

You NEED to keep those chill stacks for the slow to work at all

[old bluff]

At least you didn't say Ares call

[zinc ridge]

also Shady companion is the best right?

[old bluff]

Meg

[stiff obsidian]

Meh

Eg

[zinc ridge]

i used to use Battie

[stiff obsidian]

Meg

[zinc ridge]

ok damn 😭

[rustic vale]

Battie is the best one

[tepid light]

to be clear, i'm the type of person who cares nothing about optimization when it comes to call and always uses greater calls

so i'm always running athena, artemis, aphrodite call etc. and never take smoldering air

[brisk trail]

I really don't even know why that damn Demeter boon even exists, it's so useless and basically ruins any Demeter build

[tepid light]

which one

[brisk trail]

the 10 stacks chill blast

[zinc ridge]

a year ago i used Battie
this year i checked reddit and it said shady wasthe best

[old bluff]

Arctic blast?

[zinc ridge]

i thought arctic blast was nice

[rustic vale]

Reddit is where Hades fans go to lose braincells

[old bluff]

Pls don't use the reddit

[zinc ridge]

what 😭

[old bluff]

For advice

[brisk trail]

I've gotten it twice not knowing that it would just absolutely wreck my cold build because nothing with a large health bar is slowed at all

[old bluff]

The fanart is cool

[rustic vale]

It sucks (I mean the Hades advice on there)

[zinc ridge]

the fanart is AWESOME

[rustic vale]

they’re in the stone age

[brisk trail]

Reddit is just trash

[tepid light]

the thing with that boon is that normally, an enemy with 10 chill will just stay like that and then the status effect has no further effect

but if you have an easy way of constantly applying chill, you can essentially keep enemies permaslowed while also doing more damage

[zinc ridge]

yeah yeah

[stiff obsidian]

Only good dem boons, rare crop , rav will, killing freeze if u got epic dem atk /spec

[brisk trail]

it really sucks when a phase change happens right after the blast

[rustic vale]

Actually real, every gaming community I know on there are idiots

[brisk trail]

Yeah

[old bluff]

I once saw somebody on reddit say demeter special was the best special on Eris because wr has it

[stiff obsidian]

Always will be

[mint coral]

LMAO

[brisk trail]

WHAT

[tepid light]

dumb

[brisk trail]

Bro that's terrifyingly wrong

[old bluff]

It's like the 5th one for speed

[stiff obsidian]

Of course, this is also why dem attack best attack because Luci heat wr has it

[zinc ridge]

world record?

[old bluff]

So true

[tepid light]

person below me will never get another duo boon ever again

[stiff obsidian]

Thanks

I don't need duos

[tepid light]

dangit false

[old bluff]

Unmodded speed wr on Eris has a rare Demeter special

[zinc ridge]

why not

[rustic vale]

Just play Hera

You’ll be fine

[stiff obsidian]

For my current goals there are no duos that will help me

[old bluff]

Most would be more helpful as sell boons

[stiff obsidian]

Infact there are duos ill be forced to unlock that will just get in the way of jolt

[brisk trail]

Well I definitely wasn't gonna say anything cuz Merciful End cuts through enemies faster than a hot knife through butter

[zinc ridge]

yeah, that's what i think about Unshakeable Mettle

[brisk trail]

I need my Duos lmao

[old bluff]

Not all duos are as strong as ME

Most are very weak

[brisk trail]

True

[zinc ridge]

i do indeed

[brisk trail]

My first time actually winning I only survived because I had the health regen with no death defy Duo

[old bluff]

Stubborn Roots is an interesting boon

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah, Stubborn Roots

stubborn roots is awesome, but im just so impatient

[brisk trail]

And I just ran away from Papa until I was full health every single time I dipped below 50% health

[zinc ridge]

there's also the matter of dodging n stuff

AND the timer

[brisk trail]

then pick a different pact?

[zinc ridge]

hm?

[mint coral]

Stubborn roots is free money

[zinc ridge]

i wasn't being a hater 😭

[stiff obsidian]

What is stubborn roots

[tepid light]

i wish it was "regen health if you're not full on dd's" instead of "regen health if you have no dd's"

as it is, i rarely if ever take it

[brisk trail]

Oh wait you mean the stubborn roots timer?

[zinc ridge]

When you have no Death Defiance, your Health slowly regenerates. (1 HP per Second)

[tepid light]

i think false was being sarcastic

[mint coral]

Sounds like a fake boon

[old bluff]

Sounds modded

[zinc ridge]

nah i meant the pact of punishment timer, but i do enjoy pact of punishment timer tho ngl

it's for the thrill AND the heat

js saying that it makes stubborn roots a bit worse for me

[brisk trail]

I'm pretty sure Duo boons can actually increase in rarity because my stubborn roots had like 1.5 health regen every .5 seconds

[zinc ridge]

it might have been a pom of power?

[old bluff]

nope

[zinc ridge]

Duo is a rarity in of itself

[stiff obsidian]

I remember the boon, which gods did it come from

[mint coral]

Dem-athena

[zinc ridge]

Demeter and Athena iirc

[old bluff]

Athena and Dem?

[stiff obsidian]

Ohh

[brisk trail]

Demathena

[stiff obsidian]

Explains

[tepid light]

zeus ares

[stiff obsidian]

Ohhhh

[old bluff]

Does Dem even have a good duo

[tepid light]

dionysus artemis

[tepid light]

cold fusion

[stiff obsidian]

Crystal clarity

[stiff obsidian]

That's a dud

[tepid light]

it's hilarious, quiet

[brisk trail]

I don't remember if I've ever seen a Pom of power upgrade for a Duo

[mint coral]

Ice wine is solid

You can't pom them

[old bluff]

oh yeah, ice wine

[zinc ridge]

that's a really good one

i like that with dem cast

[brisk trail]

How in the hell did I have faster regen than the listed boon effects?!

[zinc ridge]

what do you think about Curse of Longing though?

[mint coral]

Lmao

[old bluff]

uhhhhhh

[brisk trail]

I'm on ps5, there's absolutely no way my game has been modded

[old bluff]

Worst duo in the game ngl

[zinc ridge]

might have been a boon that increases health regen?

damn 😭

yeah i kinda agree

[mint coral]

Worse than cold fusion?

[zinc ridge]

you have to get up close, i guess, which doesn't make stuff really flexible

[stiff obsidian]

Ok I genuinely don't remember this one

[brisk trail]

I mean stubborn roots had faster regen than 1 per second

[old bluff]

Maybe the Dem-Aphro one is worse

[zinc ridge]

your cast aims at you

instead of other enemies

[mint coral]

That's cold fusion

[zinc ridge]

ares-demeter iirc

[mint coral]

Cold embrace

[stiff obsidian]

Cold fusion is decent, why hating

[mint coral]

Damn it

Longing is ares-aphro

[stiff obsidian]

Right

[stiff obsidian]

Ohh

[mint coral]

Doom repeats hit on weak enemies

[zinc ridge]

oh yeah

[mint coral]

Drops 50% dmg per repetition

[stiff obsidian]

There are so many duos I don't remember

Damn

[brisk trail]

Cold fusion sounds like something you'd hear Doc Brown randomly mutter to himself

[rustic vale]

They can’t be pommed or have different rarities

[tepid light]

no no let's be real

the indisputable best duo is

vengeful mood

[rustic vale]

there also isn’t a single that can change stuborn roots health regen

[brisk trail]

I'm in a vengeful mood rn

[zinc ridge]

can we appreciate the coolness of the boon names themselves

[old bluff]

Smair and ME are way to strong

[stiff obsidian]

Best duo power wise merciful end followed by Mirage just for beo and then sew storn

[brisk trail]

Smair?

[old bluff]

That pun was not funny

[rustic vale]

Smouldering air fun

[zinc ridge]

I DIDNT MEAN THAT

NOOOO 😭

[brisk trail]

Wow

[rustic vale]

Smouldering Air when I can now spam my dps calls every 5 seconds

[stiff obsidian]

I don't like smair

[zinc ridge]

o'hare

[tepid light]

i hate smair, all my homies hate smair

[old bluff]

Why

[zinc ridge]

is smouldering air zeus x dio?

[stiff obsidian]

I like to have multiple small call charges saved up so I can use them when needed

[old bluff]

Zeus-Aphro

[tepid light]

scroll above to my preferences for calls

[zinc ridge]

oh

[stiff obsidian]

My entire build focus is just building to clear em4 lol, I don't have a problem with any other part of the game atp

[rustic vale]

His preferences are big calls 🫡

[zinc ridge]

what's your build pls im struggling against em4 😭

[tepid light]

EM4 ENJOYERS RISE UP

[rustic vale]

He’s not just playing em4

[tepid light]

BEST HEAT MODIFIER

[brisk trail]

Does equipping a guaranteed god keepsake right before styx do anything other than just the normal rare chance?

[zinc ridge]

yeah i know

but like

[old bluff]

Worst heat ngl

[zinc ridge]

it might help

[old bluff]

So slow

[stiff obsidian]

I don't get to choose, I'm on ap2

[rustic vale]

It really depends on your weapon/aspect what the build would be

[mint coral]

Nuke him with beowulf

[zinc ridge]

oh, right 👹

[old bluff]

Eris aspect of the rail, Zeus attack start and Delta chamber hammer

[stiff obsidian]

Im not good enough at it so I need a call for the iframes

Call iframes are actually so underrated

[mint coral]

Call iframes my beloved

[stiff obsidian]

Even offensive ones easily more than double your survivabilty

[mint coral]

Shoutout to pos call too

[rustic vale]

Pos call gotta be in my top 5 calls fs

love it

[stiff obsidian]

It's been evading me

[zinc ridge]

theseus em3 is js annoying fr, im either too fast and i get hit by him, or too slow and i can't catch up to him while hitting him 😭

[brisk trail]

I'm pretty sure I had like at least an epic Athena aid, with Zeus God gauge rate increase, Hermes auto fill, and auto 25% filled and it was filling so fast I could pop it off like 4 times in a harder boss fight

[mint coral]

Cut corners with your dashes

[zinc ridge]

wdym cut corners?

[stiff obsidian]

The corners of the circle

Ofc

[brisk trail]

Yeah you see the circle? Cut the corners

[stiff obsidian]

This guy gets it

[brisk trail]

Yeah

[zinc ridge]

that makes sense thnx

i can do 64 heat blindfolded with one hand now

truly excellent advice

[brisk trail]

prove it

[zinc ridge]

no

[brisk trail]

cut off your hand and rip out your eyes then beat 64 heat

[zinc ridge]

WHAT

[brisk trail]

lmao

sorry Ares took over my body for a second

[zinc ridge]

sounds more like

that sounds more like Alecto speaking

[brisk trail]

true

REDBLOOD!!!

Tis is creepy as hell and probably needs therapy

[stiff obsidian]

Tis my beloved

[brisk trail]

Wait does she get better...?

[stiff obsidian]

I'm not even able to beat alecto monodash

[brisk trail]

Alecto is crazy

[mint coral]

Tis has one funny sequence with zag

[brisk trail]

Also thanks Meg for giving me the extreme measures hint

[brisk trail]

One?

[mint coral]

Sequence as in, takes more than 1 dialogue to finish

[brisk trail]

Bruh I'm laughing my guts out every time Zag says anything

[mint coral]

||tis learning to pronounce his name||

[brisk trail]

PFFFT