h1-discussion

[vague viper]

if you get hit would it be entirely joever cause you get stunned and keep taking laser damage

[fervent radish]

Since you can output dps and can’t always dash to a pillsr

[vague viper]

also is that small area around him comfortable enough to melee combo stuff even with attacks that move/displace you

[fervent radish]

Meh

[vague viper]

you just gotta sit real still?

[fervent radish]

You can standing strike and sword special into him just fine

Anything involving dashing is sus

[stiff obsidian]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

The hitstun from the lasers isn’t that bad, you can either hug and standing strike til he’s done or be risky and keep dash striking

Either way it’s a much smaller dps drop than boulder hiding

In my experience it’s more reliable too, the boulder gets me killed sometimes when the angle is just so and they clip through anyway

Having call available for iframes makes it even safer to keep doing mobility attacks

[topaz cobalt]

what's the logic behind when i get offered a boon that'll replace an existing boon? like is there just a low chance of that? or is there something that triggers it?

[mint coral]

10% for a swap to be offered

[topaz cobalt]

and is it always a rarity upgrade?

[mint coral]

Yeah

#h1-discussion message

In depth for how the game rolls boons

[twilit lodge]

It’s 10% except when I really need to fill my only empty core

Then somehow it’s 100%

[topaz cobalt]

oh so it's not a single roll that decides the rarity like 40% chance of rare, 20% chance of epic, 10% chance of duo/legendary, 30% chance of common

[twilit lodge]

It’s top down

That’s why eury nectar and yarn and chaos favor can help you get duos/legendaries more easily

At least I think so

[topaz cobalt]

yeah so with those percentages, it would be 10% chance of duo/legendary, 18% chance of epic, 32.8% chance of rare, and 39.2% chance of common

[twilit lodge]

And the chance for Hermes legendaries is 1% without any boosters

[mint coral]

They are also a +10% for duos and legendaries in general

Yarn and nectar are funny for rares tho

They just make the rare roll 100%

Same goes for EA and epics

[twilit lodge]

Consolation prize

[topaz cobalt]

yeah so they just drop the common option and the rare is the default at the end

[mint coral]

(which is why the wiki hates this boon lol)

That rant is hilarious

[twilit lodge]

Well technically they don’t drop the common, the rare just happens first

[topaz cobalt]

what is EA

[twilit lodge]

And is 100% in those cases

[mint coral]

Exclusive access

[twilit lodge]

Pos Dio

[mint coral]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ check the description for exclusive access

[twilit lodge]

Before your mirror is finished it’s not awful

But

It’s not great

[mint coral]

is fun if you get it before hermes

I like to gamble for it on stuff that starts pos and if I find Dio

[topaz cobalt]

oh it doesn't increase duo/legendary or heroic chance?

what's the point

[mint coral]

epic hermes lol

also nothing increases heroic chance

[twilit lodge]

EA into endshop HS, early aspho RD, and then eury upgrade of both

[mint coral]

that is only through swaps/rare crop or ambrosia delight

[topaz cobalt]

having epic boons that can get replaced does

[mint coral]

oh in that sense ig lol

[twilit lodge]

Swaps are usually not good though

If it’s a boon you’re counting on using, you want to pick it to begin with, not swap it

[mint coral]

swaps are the bane of ap2 runs

[twilit lodge]

And counting on that 10% is just

Not it

[topaz cobalt]

lol but if you have like something you settled for and get offered something better

[twilit lodge]

If I had a nickel for every run where swaps denied me of a duo core until late ely or Styx

[mint coral]

most of us just die if we don't get what we need from the start lol

[twilit lodge]

So dramatic

[mint coral]

or if you took a whatever core is prob getting sold

[stiff obsidian]

if i had a nickel for every time ap2 force swapped lightning strike for divine strike

id have like 15 nickels

[twilit lodge]

That’s a lot of nickels

[mint coral]

is it really dramatic if zag needs to go home to restart the seed

[stiff obsidian]

yeha

they should allow swearing here

[topaz cobalt]

i usually give up and swap charms

[mint coral]

I just play modded

[stiff obsidian]

embrace science

[topaz cobalt]

yeah i was thinking that. i wonder why the game doesn't let you just decide a starting boon for free

[stiff obsidian]

it will lead us to the future

[twilit lodge]

Not sure how they would implement that tbh

Forcing first god is plenty of rng pity

Mods let you go further with anti-vorime

[topaz cobalt]

i mean they could do it as infinite rerolls if they can't figure out what to do

i'd like a way to force hammer as the first boon

that would be nice

[old bluff]

The game is still a rouge lite, RNG is the whole point

[twilit lodge]

I don’t think that really fits with their vision of the game yeah

[topaz cobalt]

yeah but if people are gonna restart until they get what they want, why doesn't it just give them what they want

[stiff obsidian]

i should play dead cells

[twilit lodge]

Most people don’t do that though

You’re just talking to speed runners

[stiff obsidian]

what

speedrunners here

where

[old bluff]

Nowhere

[topaz cobalt]

oh they could have it be a room with all of the boons available like a trial and the rest of them vanish when you choose one

[mint coral]

High heaters are speedrunners at their core

[old bluff]

High heat is just any heat ngl

[twilit lodge]

High heat is any run without demeter

[brisk trail]

I just bought Hades today and my second run the first God is literally Zeus

[latent moon]

Yeah that's scripted lol

[brisk trail]

Oh lol

Are the boons he gives scripted too?

[latent moon]

Not entirely sure tbh

The first boon of a run is typically 3/4 possible boons

For Athena in the very very start of the game it's always gonna be the same 3 boons

[brisk trail]

I got Lightning Strike, Electric Shot, and Thunder Dash

[latent moon]

Thunder flourish could've been an option maybe but idk lmao

[brisk trail]

Lmao

[topaz cobalt]

why is this?

[brisk trail]

I'm so new I'm just like "Makes sense I died to that"

However I did survive at like 18 health for 2 rooms

[topaz cobalt]

is athena's cast not available room 1?

[stiff obsidian]

it iis

atk cast dash

[topaz cobalt]

oh the special isn't available? that seems super weird

[brisk trail]

I used to be a Diablo player so I'm a little familiar with having to deal with lots of enemies

And tbh this feels a LOT like Diablo

Okay I love the bow lmao

[topaz cobalt]

you can have mine

i absolutely hate it

[latent moon]

maybe to nerf fresh file runners lmfao

[topaz cobalt]

lol

also i just did EM3 and it was significantly easier than i thought it would be

tbh it might not even be any more difficult because my worst phase is when the gods are attacking and that's shorter in EM3

[brisk trail]

I am so thankful I picked the shop

I was at 9 health

[latent moon]

tbf the hard part of em3 is the bull lmao

his attacks are just a lot bigger

and theseus provides better area denial

[vague viper]

I wasn’t aware hermes has legendaries, is rush delivery a legendary? is that why I’ve never seen it

[latent moon]

becomes more of a pain in the ass

[topaz cobalt]

was looking for jolted; got 2 duos alongside it. now idk what to do

[brisk trail]

wow got a heal and immediately died to the bomb guys

[latent moon]

he has 2, but rush delivery is not it

rd just has prereqs

greater haste or hyper sprint

legendary also has prereqs but you gotta hit the 1% of seeing the legendary lmao

[topaz cobalt]

hermes legendaries are both about bloodstones so to me they're meh

[vague viper]

and what’s pos dio

[latent moon]

poseidon and dionysus

[latent moon]

yeah they're both kinda eh

although

bad news is bugged to give a global 50% damage boost to everything that doesnt have a cast in it

so that's funny

[old bluff]

wdym, Bad News is just common RD

[latent moon]

common rd without scaling lmao

[brisk trail]

The voice acting is so good

[topaz cobalt]

what was it supposed to be?

[latent moon]

i forgot what it's supposed to do ngl

[topaz cobalt]

oh it's supposed to be cast only

cast is supposed to get a 50% boost against foes without a stone in them

but it buffs everything not just cast?

[latent moon]

yeah that's it

[topaz cobalt]

ok so i do want that then

[latent moon]

well

no

bc it's a 1% chance to get

so it's super inconsistent

you're better off going for hyper sprint -> rd

[topaz cobalt]

well i mean don't bank on it but if you see it get it

[latent moon]

or taking more dashes

[topaz cobalt]

there are only a couple weapons where more dashes helps a lot

[latent moon]

the prereq isn't worth taking on the other hand

[topaz cobalt]

is the plume ever useful?

[vague viper]

ah
which

I have a prophecy to fulfil

[vague viper]

nvm

[latent moon]

lmao

[latent moon]

1 niche build for speedrunning when you dont want to run ME but that's about it

[twilit lodge]

It really is

[twilit lodge]

You need to max level it if you want to max a certain relationship

[brisk trail]

Does God RNG kick in on the third run?

[latent moon]

i think like the first 4-5 things at the start of the run are scripted but after that it's all random

[brisk trail]

Ah okay

[latent moon]

mostly bc it's teaching you mechanics and things that exist

[brisk trail]

wow an epic Tempest Strike?

[topaz cobalt]

there's one scripted poseidon later but i have no idea what triggers it

[latent moon]

it's always athena, zeus, hammer, hermes (although this might be disputed?), then posiedon call i believe

[brisk trail]

I like have to take that right?

[latent moon]

fishing rod

[topaz cobalt]

not immediately

for me it was like 4 runs past getting the fishing rod

[latent moon]

not necessarily, rarity isn't the most important thing in this game for the majority of boons

[twilit lodge]

Tempest strike is uh

Never good

[latent moon]

also i would recommend sticking to #h1-for-new-players

[twilit lodge]

But take it anyway, early runs are about seeing and touching everything at least once

[latent moon]

i forgot it existed for a sec lmao

[topaz cobalt]

yeah all the other channels are spoiler channels

[brisk trail]

oh

[fervent radish]

Also to open RD

If no HS

[latent moon]

oh yeah i forgot that's a use lmao

[fervent radish]

Also if you want bad news for some reason

Or GR

[lavish sorrel]

🟧

(bad news is used in diobeo gameplay, and I found the infernal soul equivalent - whatever it's called again - handy when doing hitless damageless hera)

[twilit lodge]

Greater recall I think

[hoary pebble]

Ok chat

What hidden weapon aspect should I do a run with? I’ve already done Gilgamesh and Beowulf

[fervent radish]

Guan yu

[twilit lodge]

Level 1 guan yu

It’ll teach you a lot about the game!

[vague viper]

athur

[vague viper]

not me though I’m different

[jagged hamlet]

No, you're Shrimp!

[brisk trail]

I'm just built different bro

[hoary pebble]

Guan yu it is

Then Arthur

[twilit lodge]

GY is suffering

Arthur isn’t too bad it’s just not fast at all

The damage is great though, even just out of the box

[latent moon]

gy is good (as long as you get the right hammer)

[vague viper]

speed charge?

[latent moon]

that or charged skewer

charged skewer is a lot easier and safer to play

[twilit lodge]

I never get charged skewer

Rip

[obsidian drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1291609152048861246/image.png When I'm hungry but don't have enough cash for a sandwish

I cannot reach that, sadly

[twilit lodge]

Lightning dash moment

[vernal compass]

hello

[twilit lodge]

Oh hi

[tepid light]

CHANGE YOUR NAME

[void vigil]

smel like run clear

[lavish sorrel]

No it's not pain

[next ledge]

Arthur is fun, rama too

[tepid light]

love me some arthur

[old bluff]

Do you want to know what I love more than Arthur? Beowulf

[tepid light]

you know what i love even more than beowulf?

you

[vague viper]

it watched the fight

[vague viper]

kinda urgent but would killing freeze count 1 or 2 enemies as “all” if they were all there were like in a boss fight

[stiff obsidian]

yeah

killing freeze good

[rustic vale]

Why should they

[vague viper]

is there any notable progress on playing the lyre or is it like an instant snap after 210 tries?
do the chords get less discordant half way through and he says like “I’m getting it now” or something

[fervent radish]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

There’s progression

[stiff obsidian]

annoying sidequest

[rustic vale]

Sounds

he does improve at his playing every so often

[twilit lodge]

The most annoying part is that as you get better at it the cooldown on pressing it gets crazy long

[stiff obsidian]

yeah

[vague viper]

on the 10th run when ||Hades lets you pass without a fight, could you still fight him? can you challenge him or stay until he reconsiders it||?

I kinda wanna

oh wait yo it’s ||the true ending
can I finally start catching fish in Greece and gift persephone nectar for her keepsake||?

[stiff obsidian]

yeah

this is the regular ending

true ending later

[stiff obsidian]

cant fight him

dont have to spoiler in this channel

[vague viper]

I thought it might be like the true ending to dead cells

[stiff obsidian]

havent played that

will soon

[vague viper]

good thing I didn’t spoil it then lol

great game though yes definitely play it soon

[vague viper]

is there certain out of the way conditions for that or is it just more wins down the road

[stiff obsidian]

just complete storylines and stuff

you will know

[rustic vale]

No more wins are needed

[vague viper]

does sweet nectar affect pom slices / pom blossom

[stone rune]

it does affect pom slices and also bugs a little in ur favor

it will give the same increase twice

instead of the decreased increase for the second pom

[mint coral]

Works with slices but not mom's pom iirc

[stone rune]

nobody knows because nobody uses mom pom

[vague viper]

it seems good though how come?

[vague viper]

as in, +2 to one random or +1 to two random

[stone rune]

it really sucks

[stone rune]

+2 to a single boon

but like

poms fall off

but it wont fall off for the second one

[vague viper]

aren’t stats tied to levels though? wouldn’t it just go from like lv3 to lv5, or would it add the same increase from lv3 to lv4 twice

[stone rune]

like

flood flare lvl1 to lvl2 is 96

and then lvl2 to lvl3 is 121

well not the difference

lvl1 is 60, lvl2 is 96, lvl3 is 121

but with sweet nectar and pom slice it would become lvl3 but also 136

[vague viper]

I do not see how that math adds up

it’s getting a weird bonus from somewhere and looking at those numbers there’s no easy way you could get 136

[stone rune]

i forgot how to count

132

60+36+36

[jagged hamlet]

Shrimp maths

[vague viper]

yea I was silly

so it is what I said, same level bonus twice

which is weird cause I thought levels were added from a reference sheet like it’s adding 2 levels, to 121, rather than adding 61 damage

[stone rune]

idk how it does it

[vague viper]

not how it probably should be that’s how

also tracking each debuff strength independently is a bit weird, like WoL and DC do the same thing

[hoary pebble]

Ok guan Yu done

On to Arthur

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1085640387827347466/output.png?ex=67018e66&is=67003ce6&hm=cbdd6f634ac37b55ae6a25a7b76e6920a76d1e62b222abcabeda09d9401efbbf&

So if you have a pom slice

And sweet nectar

and your dio call is level 1

Instead of adding level 2 and level 3

It’s adds the level 2 increase of 8 damage twice

since pom slices r bugged with sweet nectar

for regular poms, swet nectar just increases it like + (level 2 bonus) + (level 3 bonus)

[vague viper]

is that the same for styx shop pom

[twilit lodge]

The expensive Styx shop Poms are just +2 (so are the poms in Styx mini boss tunnels)

and with sweet nectar they are +3

Sweet nectar Pom slice is such an uncommon thing that I wouldn’t even waste brain space on it

@vague viper surface is covered in snow bc Demeter in her feels

That’s the context that makes her being locked behind first time reaching surface make a little more sense

[vague viper]

ah

[vague viper]

which aspects are significantly better when maxed rather than level 1 and just unlocked? I have titan blood to splash around
look at them; poseidon, arthur, zeus, beowulf, chiron, rama, demeter, gilgamesh, and hestia all seem the best when maxed out rather than lower level
any adjustments to that? some that aren’t, extras I missed, extra importance on some more than others?

[stone rune]

i hate this dumbass game

why do i play this

utter garbage

[stiff obsidian]

i feel the exact same way

today

[stone rune]

beo does not need level increase

arthur does not need level increase

[stiff obsidian]

gilgamesh sucks no matter the level

[stone rune]

gilga does not need level increase

yeah arthur and gilga both suck ass always

beo is the best aspect in the game always

[vague viper]

bbbut 400 maim

[stone rune]

maim sucks

[stiff obsidian]

no one uses maim for the maim damage anyway

[stone rune]

isnt it like 4 or 5 seconds or something

to drop

[stiff obsidian]

like 4

[vague viper]

4

[stone rune]

yeah thats garbage

[stiff obsidian]

its only use case is furies

[vague viper]

zeus’ entire damage is based on level. and demeter I suppose
chiron adding almost all the arrows back is great too. those seem the most high priority

wait does beo’s upgrade to dragon rush affect only the impact or the cast explosion/s?

the area buff is great tho too

[stiff obsidian]

most of the damage is from the cast

most of the stuff that we say also work at low levels mostly are just alreaedy great at low levels

and get even better at higher levels

[vague viper]

which is why I’m asking for the ones that get significantly better when upgraded rather than being good at base too

[stiff obsidian]

beowulf

[latent moon]

zeus's damage isn't based on level if you build zeus^2

[stiff obsidian]

the base daamge is significnt

[latent moon]

yeah beo lmao

[stiff obsidian]

eris and hestia are much better at max

[vague viper]

15->75% right

[stiff obsidian]

nem good at max

yes

[latent moon]

the dragon rush does like idk 50? base damage when loaded
fully upgraded it does a bonus 100% or something

[stiff obsidian]

its 75% global so affects everything like lightning etc

[latent moon]

idk the exact numbers but it's still a lot better

[vague viper]

it says blitz disc base damage 8->30 does that not mean the special would be doing ~4x more damage

[stiff obsidian]

yeah its significant

[vague viper]

oh good heavens

[latent moon]

yeah but you dont use it for the base damage on zeus^2

thunder flourish is flat damage

it doesnt affect your base damage

[vague viper]

but what if it was better

[latent moon]

so you dont really care about what your base damage is

[vague viper]

I know what you mean though

I still have to reveal bow and fists, how annoying is it to get asterius to talk about ‘em

[latent moon]

the annoying part is finding asterius twice

you have a 50/50 in seeing him in ely

[stiff obsidian]

dont rush fists the hidden one sucks ass

[latent moon]

that's also very true

[vague viper]

you only need fists for the first time tho

[latent moon]

you still need to find him twice

at least twice

assuming you get the dialogue both times lmao

[vague viper]

yeah but then I can stop using fists

[latent moon]

using fists isn't the bad part unless you're jazz who hates anything that isn't beowulf

[vague viper]

so true

[stiff obsidian]

tried beowulf 50 yesterday

didnt get a cast until ely

[vague viper]

looking for a specific ability boon is torture sometimes

[latent moon]

were you doing unmodded or something?

or were you trying to aspect of cshot it

[stiff obsidian]

c1 hammer

c2 chaos

enshrouded

walked into athena

had to take like attack

[latent moon]

ah

see

i would've just reset

[stiff obsidian]

weak

[latent moon]

what was the chaos actually

[stiff obsidian]

common shot

iirc

[latent moon]

oh rip

were you trying to do pstatus

[stiff obsidian]

no

[latent moon]

should've just taken athena cast tbh lmao

[stiff obsidian]

idk

[latent moon]

her cast still does a lot of damage

[stiff obsidian]

maybe

yeah but tiny

[latent moon]

the radius is kinda ass tho

i mean like

[vague viper]

is there a way to release your dragon rush and explode before the end of the rush’s path

[latent moon]

option 1 was to get cast in ely lmao

the other option was to ball with athena

[vague viper]

like if you need to block a bit longer and the end of the dash goes beyond the enemy

[latent moon]

and the third option was reset

[latent moon]

nah

[stiff obsidian]

u have iframes during the rush anyway

[latent moon]

but also you dont need to block a little longer most of the time since rushing blocks yeah

the exception is if you have cshot but at that point just eat the damage, they'll die anyways

or just take the miss and try again

[vague viper]

crush shot?

[latent moon]

you'll at minimum hit them with the cshot

charged shot

[stiff obsidian]

charged shot

[latent moon]

hammer

makes it so you dont have a "rush" technically but you now have a better bow

[vague viper]

yeah I had that once

just didn’t realise what c shot means

[stiff obsidian]

wow my common pos call critting for 2k

and then there are players who like using max arty call because it does like 1.5k damage 'nuke'

[latent moon]

lmao real

tbf pos call was pretty slept on for damage until fairly recently with the high heat community

it wasn't until guan yu 60? or whatever the record was before playad got it

[stiff obsidian]

its my preferred call on eris now

yeah

something guan yu yeah

[latent moon]

besides on eris tho, what call is more preferred for heat

athena or pos?

i'd assume athena but pos call damage can be pretty stupid

[fervent radish]

Depends on jolted

But yeah Poseidon is really strong regardless

[stiff obsidian]

i cant speak for other aspects

[latent moon]

for zeus shield i would think athena but i got no clue lmao

[stiff obsidian]

yeah probably

pos call probably breaks the zeus rythm

[idle adder]

Do I have to meet the boss at Styx to get Demeter to start appearing in runs?

[latent moon]

i think athena is prob just universally preferred

[latent moon]

yeah final boss

[stiff obsidian]

eris also has like

buffed call

[latent moon]

yeah i get why eris would use pos call

the only reason why guan yu takes pos call is bc it can't force athena for call after the start lmao

[idle adder]

I'm close to reaching the temple but Theseus is giving me some trouble

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[idle adder]

I started the game 2 days ago I couldn't have guessed it being so addicting ngl

[stiff obsidian]

but on the other hand eris is one of the aspects that would probably do more damage normally rather than through call

[latent moon]

lmao yeah game be good

would it?

isnt pos call leveling pretty good

[vague viper]

aphrodite call solos

[fervent radish]

Oh I thought you were talking only about eris

[latent moon]

i feel like eris damage kinda eh without like tdash

[stiff obsidian]

it only does like 2.5k dmg

[fervent radish]

You can probably do Poseidon call damage in the invincibility period of Athena call

[latent moon]

fair

[fervent radish]

Athena trivializes em4

[vague viper]

what’s considered high heat? 40+

[latent moon]

just get riptide and trivialize like every combat lmao

[fervent radish]

Depends

[idle adder]

You can have two calls at once?

[latent moon]

or rip current idk the name

[fervent radish]

32+ is like pushing heat

50 is what I’d call high

[latent moon]

generally speaking, 32+ heat
for the convo we're having rn, it's more like 50+ tho lmao

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1291901255295176819/P1r7q30.png?ex=6701c84d&is=670076cd&hm=f760e42c9d7928ee838dffb212c27d32a1531a30d9ba0651d3fd32ec02be7bbe& chat take billowing or roll for sea storm

[fervent radish]

I mean you can do equivalent damage with a high frequency ER combo

[stiff obsidian]

5 rolls

[latent moon]

does pos call open sea storm

[fervent radish]

Billowing

[latent moon]

oh wait that's a fat billowing % what

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[vague viper]

unless you can kite it in circles. wouldn’t be that bad

[latent moon]

100% global after 1 call is insane

can you pom billowing lmao

[stiff obsidian]

75% -> 100% is prety negligible

yes

[fervent radish]

That sounds horrific

[latent moon]

150% global time

only need 40 poms

[fervent radish]

It’s like 8%

Lmao

[vague viper]

what a good roguelike does to an mf

[latent moon]

good zeus shield gameplay does not kite lol

[idle adder]

Pretty much

[vague viper]

you need to do 32 for all achievements right?

[latent moon]

for all in game collectibles

[idle adder]

Oop I just realised there's a channel for new players

[latent moon]

for steam achievement it's only 16

most people just do 32 heat (or try) bc there's an in game reward for it

totally doable tho

[stiff obsidian]

40 is doable by like anyone

50 idk

[latent moon]

i'd say 40 yeah

it's still like sus without any guidance but you can def make it work

[vague viper]

am I allowed to know or is it a spoiler

[latent moon]

for comedic factor i'd say it's a spoiler lmao

[vague viper]

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1291905212159627357/DlCO0Al.png?ex=6701cbfd&is=67007a7d&hm=44a003830ecca5972c9185b2ef39b17730a92a0cb95ce688b2bee8dfe26b7d2f&

yay hitless p1

only 2 hit p2

damageless em4

woohoo

[hoary pebble]

Ok guan yu and Arthur done

Arthur was so fun

Probably my favorite hidden aspect

[twilit lodge]

Arthur is pretty fun yeh

It’s slow as molasses but you chonk things

[stone rune]

do you

it’s more like it’s slow as molasses and nothing ever dies

[vague viper]

I’m surprised tight deadlines doesn’t pause after you clear a room

it paused after a boss but not normal rooms tf

[stone rune]

it goes when the in game timer goes

[vague viper]

me when satyr sack final path

I know cause I died in the last room on path 4 cause I was counting on there being a fountain

what do you do with keys after you’re done with the mirror and arms

[mint coral]

Reset mirror/trading

Keep 15 on hand in case the blood trade shows up

[vague viper]

ah so nothing

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Most meta resources aren’t useful after max

[twilit lodge]

Turn them into nectar so you can fill hearts faster

Eventually you unlock themes, one of which costs 200 keys

[vague viper]

surely super nova doesn’t increase arthur’s holy ground radius right

[twilit lodge]

Nope but there is an Arthur specific hammer that does I think

Yeah

Makes it bigger and makes the slow effect stronger

[vague viper]

couldn’t ya just roll them up together in one

[twilit lodge]

Greater Consecration

[vague viper]

what causes the styx room rewards to sometimes be doubled? elite room status? or they just become normal drops after finding the sack

[stiff obsidian]

if its in a miniboss tunnel its boosted

[twilit lodge]

Mini boss tunnel has doubled gold, poms, bonus health from centaur heart, and boosted rarity for boons

Even if you get the fountain it’s still boosted

[stone rune]

i hate this game

i hate it

[stiff obsidian]

play slowroads.io instead

[stone rune]

i tried

[stiff obsidian]

tried slowroads.io or tried stop playing hades

[stone rune]

i actually think i have a divinely ordained curse of garbage rng

[hoary pebble]

I have 2 secret aspects left

Bow and rail

I also got the Sisyphus companion

[twilit lodge]

Woot

[hoary pebble]

Which one should I do

[twilit lodge]

Secret bow is fun but slow

Secret rail is very clunky imo

If you’re on kbm it’s not so bad

[hoary pebble]

I play with a controller

[twilit lodge]

You really need to be able to aim the specials well

And controller isn’t so good for that

[hoary pebble]

It’s probably going to br hard

Yeah

[twilit lodge]

Secret bow can cheese with Zeus on the special and just spamming it

But the mechanic is very strong if you do use the attack too

Just don’t get explosive shot for the love of everything

It already fires the attack super slow

[stone rune]

my hatred for this game is undying

[latent moon]

i swear whenever i see a message from you it's always "i hate this game"

you literally dont have to play this game if you hate it

[stiff obsidian]

u need a justanyheatthings

[twilit lodge]

Must play

[fervent radish]

this contributes nothing. can you stop?

[stone rune]

sure

i will learn to speedrun cruelty squad

[vague viper]

is gilgamesh maim’s damage buff flat or multiplicative

[stone rune]

assume everything is additive

[vague viper]

it would be pretty bad if it was an additive 25%, and it says “take 25% more damage” instead of “*+*25% damage”

[stone rune]

shocking: gilga is bad

maybe the damage you take is multiplicative but thats not really that important

given that there are like barely any modifiers to damage u take in the game

[vague viper]

just myrmidon, beo, dad debuff, chaos I think

[stone rune]

well theres other stuff

hard labor

but u have much bigger issues when using gilga

[stiff obsidian]

25% is significant for flat damage

[stone rune]

no the damage u take

the damage u deal buff does matter to some extent

wait is the damage u tkae increased by 50%

[stiff obsidian]

no i think 25%

[stone rune]

well maim is mult

apparently

yeah cause it affects like

summons

anyways dont use gilga

[stiff obsidian]

waahht

agre

[vague viper]

thought so

[latent moon]

gilga isn't good but i love seeing cherry use it lmao

i love his gilga clips

[stone rune]

i cant watch hades

[stiff obsidian]

yes

i watched the gilga tech playlists

i didndt evne play gilga hthen

[twilit lodge]

Yesssss

[hoary pebble]

Consider that big claws are cool

[stiff obsidian]

@Aspect of Asian Watch your language.

[tepid light]

ATHENA CALL BEST CALL

Apparently 'ree' is considered bad language

Who knew

[stiff obsidian]

yes the automod has educated a lot of us

[stone rune]

i mean yeah

[jagged hamlet]

I learned so many bad words thanks to Dyno

[vague viper]

if you use it unironically you may be a bad person

[tepid light]

What even would unironic use of it look like

[stone rune]

i dont think we necessarily need to do this here

[latent moon]

okay but consider: ares call

[stone rune]

ohhhhh

[jagged hamlet]

I always associated the aforementioned onomatopoeia with frogs until Dyno and one of our mods educated me

Frogs...and AI-chan LOL

[tepid light]

I'd like Ares Call a lot more if it didn't last for like 2 nanoseconds

[stone rune]

its actually better that it does because its less downtime for ur damage

the best time for ares call would be 0 nanoseconds

free 0.4s iframe

[vague viper]

okay but consider: poseidon call

[stiff obsidian]

id like ares call if it lasted 2 nanoseconds

instead it wastes 2 whole seconds

[jagged hamlet]

I wanna see jazz go through Bastion's Score Attack mode!

[vague viper]

you may infact want to use it as a lesser call

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[tepid light]

eurgh

[jagged hamlet]

Hades 1 so very, very centralized with its builds

[vague viper]

gottem

[stiff obsidian]

i will do upto 57 heat with em4 this week

perhaps 60 if i get good enogh

[twilit lodge]

People actually like pos call

I don’t think I ever used it after the tutorial run and it just didn’t impress me

The cooldown between bounces is so long

[stone rune]

pos call is good for heat

[twilit lodge]

Maybe I’m using it wrong or don’t know the tech

[stone rune]

or something

but heat is weird

[jagged hamlet]

Pos call is so, so fun with Rip Current

[stone rune]

and fake

[tepid light]

I don't actually mind Poseidon Call that much since the damage is decent and the duration is respectable

[latent moon]

it's like the athena call substitute but does damage

except on eris you get a fat hit bc of the 75%

[tepid light]

but athena call still best

[latent moon]

for heat yeah

[tepid light]

There is only heat

Speedrunning is for weak gamers

[latent moon]

real

[stiff obsidian]

Epic pos call is 450 right

So with a couple poms would be 600 atleast?

[fervent radish]

yeah

[stiff obsidian]

So with Eris and like family favs it would do 1k per hit

2 hits for 2k

[vague viper]

surely it can’t be 2 hits

[stiff obsidian]

What

[fervent radish]

You can usually get 2 hits on dad

[stiff obsidian]

Problem with Eris is call charges too fast

If u don't use call often enough u will end up with greater call

Then just zooming around for half a min until it ends

[tepid light]

You act like that's a bad thing

[stiff obsidian]

yes it is

[stone rune]

yeah its bad

[tepid light]

Zooming around invulnerable for half a min while damaging and knocking away anything that touches you is pretty fun

[stiff obsidian]

you cant reapply eris buff during it

[tepid light]

who cares

you're still doing the above

[stiff obsidian]

why would i want to do the above

when i can do it better

[tepid light]

because sometimes you just wanna turn your brain off and faceroll things

[stiff obsidian]

thats what the smaller calls are for

[tepid light]

smaller calls, bah

[stiff obsidian]

if you use the greater call at the end u will have 0 smaller calls to fall back on

[tepid light]

greater call master race

[latent moon]

ngl greater pos call feels like a pain in the ass to use lmao

[stiff obsidian]

esp on kbm

[latent moon]

you just knock stuff out of the way and you end up having to chase things across the screen

[stiff obsidian]

its ass

exactly

[tepid light]

that's the fun part

[stiff obsidian]

its best used smaller call when u knock stuff away once and its served its purpose

[tepid light]

SMALLER CALLS

BAH

[latent moon]

against bosses that's not a problem but then you dont have a small call to rely on like false side said

[stiff obsidian]

accidentally used greater call in ely today

[latent moon]

unfortunate

was it blue man group

[stiff obsidian]

didnt even kill 2 archers

[latent moon]

it was blue man group 😔

[stone rune]

greater call is inefficient use of call

[stiff obsidian]

it was just 2 archers

[latent moon]

oh lmfao

[stiff obsidian]

i couldnt chase them down

stuck in geometry

[latent moon]

deeply unfortunate

get kbm-ed

[tepid light]

memes aside i just hate how small calls feel and greater calls inject serotonin directly into my brain

[stiff obsidian]

especially for dio and zeus greater calls are directly detrimental for me

[tepid light]

guess which calls i don't tend to pick

[stiff obsidian]

i already hate how they block all visibility but thats offset by the damage and iframes

[latent moon]

why is greater zeus bad besides down time between waves

bc i'd figure like it wouldn't matter if it was a big wave

[stiff obsidian]

it just blinds me completely and if i accidentally use it in dad fight im just going to die

[latent moon]

greater dio sucking makes sense tho

oh lmao

visibility moment

[stiff obsidian]

greater athena call calms the nerves tho cant lie

iframes without having to worry about them immediately running out in the near future

[tepid light]

also using greater calls means aphro call is very funny

i love just chunking dad with a big heart

[stiff obsidian]

greater aphro call removes like 5% of a bosses hp its the most unsatisfying thing in the game

[twilit lodge]

I love making dad stop lasering with small aphro call

[tepid light]

we have very different definitions of the word 'unsatisfying'

[tepid light]

CHANGE
YOUR
NAME

[stiff obsidian]

imagine charging up the entire bar and then watch it do nothing

[twilit lodge]

I literally will never change my name

[tepid light]

imagine having a soul and a sense of fun

/jk

[stiff obsidian]

id rather use greater ares call than use greater aphro call

ares wil prolly do more damage

[latent moon]

assuming you hit most of them i would think

[tepid light]

i don't hate ares call, i just find it incredibly

wait for it

unsatisfying

[stiff obsidian]

yeah imagine during dad lasers or smth

no one likes ares call

[tepid light]

but yeah the most reliable call for me will always be athena

[stone rune]

theres 2 good calls

zeus and dad

[tepid light]

pop it and just turn brain off and mash keyboard

[stiff obsidian]

dad call worst call in the whole game

[stone rune]

and zeus isnt that good

[stiff obsidian]

id use literaly anything over it

[tepid light]

i can't see jazz's messages but i'm willing to bet that whatever they are i would heavily disagree with them

[stiff obsidian]

hot garbage

[stone rune]

dad is the only good call

[latent moon]

beo brained moment

[stiff obsidian]

the #1 trash call

dad call

[tepid light]

my issue with dad call is the same as my issue with ares call

just too

damned

short

[stiff obsidian]

and does nothing

[stone rune]

my honest 100% dmg boost reaction

[stiff obsidian]

for 2 seconds

[twilit lodge]

My issue with ares call is it’s too long

[stiff obsidian]

id rather have a permanent near 100% boost with eris

[stone rune]

do you need more than 2 seconds to kill anything

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[stone rune]

if so i think thats a u problem

[stiff obsidian]

show me ur 2 second boss slot

split

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1292013470744711189/image.png?ex=670230cf&is=6700df4f&hm=fc4e630b7efa50284e327cb3177bfbb6dea719820143a67df723b4fc31b7d503&

[stiff obsidian]

10/10 for effort

is that an amongus guy

[stone rune]

if you want it to be

[jagged hamlet]

I love the interactions between the "fun only! nooo optimize!" and "optimize only! nooo fun!" crowds

[stone rune]

i mean ur not gonna have fun anyways in this game so might as well be fast while ur doing it

[tepid light]

welcome to this server

[stiff obsidian]

common in most servers

[tepid light]

everyone is on one side of the extreme

[jagged hamlet]

Reminds me of very facetious shenanigans in an old forum that was full of old people. I miss that forum...

[tepid light]

tbh i feel like this server is more like this than other gaming servers i'm in

[stiff obsidian]

ive ruined most games for myself by having a hidden fear of playing suboptimally

[jagged hamlet]

I think optimization is very, very, very common among video gamers who talk about video games

[stiff obsidian]

so like if im playing a new game i keep asking myself 'what if i dont know a critical piece of information and am playing the game wrong' then ill search stuff up

[tepid light]

someone will just say "i have fun with charon" and a bunch of people will dogpile them about unoptimal play

[jagged hamlet]

Well actually it's just jazz

[tepid light]

yeah obviously but what i mean is that people seem a lot more aggressive and anxious about it in this server

[tepid light]

sigh

[jagged hamlet]

Conspiracy time: we're fighting a Hades info war with the subreddit

[stiff obsidian]

subreddit is mostly fine from what ive seen

[tepid light]

I've never actually perused the Hades subreddit

[stiff obsidian]

very few posts are about actual gameplay

[tepid light]

All my exposure to the Hades community has been from this server

Which probably says a lot

[stiff obsidian]

most are fanart or some random ahh tatoo

[latent moon]

everyone knows the only way to play the game is by only playing optimally and only playing 1 aspect

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[tepid light]

uurrghhh

[latent moon]

lmfao

[stiff obsidian]

i use abysall blood, i am a rebel

😎

[latent moon]

tbf i do try to not be a hardass about people not following the meta

[tepid light]

plays artemis strike arthur cause haha

[latent moon]

based

[tepid light]

unkillable arthur with aphro/athena will always be one of my favorite builds

[stiff obsidian]

#h1-victory-boasting @tepid light i am playing em4 are you happy now

[jagged hamlet]

I will allow that stating Arthur is neither good DPS or damage per hit is decent advice

[stiff obsidian]

actually for chiron week

[tepid light]

but if someone just says "i have fun with arthur" then you shouldn't just jump down their throat about it with that

[stiff obsidian]

ill try ri0 ap0 em4 chiron with sea storm

[tepid light]

yes good

[stiff obsidian]

no one does that

i have fun with arthur

[tepid light]

cough cough

[stiff obsidian]

easiest sword

for heat

not sppeeed

[latent moon]

yeah arthur is good for heat if you use cursed slash and stack damage reduction

[jagged hamlet]

Yup yup. But there are those who think Arthur does lots of damage (regardless of fun)

[stiff obsidian]

arthur does lots of damage

[stiff obsidian]

[latent moon]

tbf that's just jazz lmao

[latent moon]

poshboy strats go hard

[stiff obsidian]

arthur in general is just good

[latent moon]

it's one of the most cursed things i've ever seen tbh

[stiff obsidian]

starts to fall of at heroes

[tepid light]

My stance is that if you succeed with it and you had fun then that's all that matters

'Optimization' is of little relevance for me

[tepid light]

As Packrat also said lmao

[jagged hamlet]

That's fair. I'm not quite sure why you argue against optimization though tbh

[tepid light]

Well I'm not arguing against it per se, if optimization is what makes things fun for you then by all means

And at high heat levels obviously optimization is necessary

[stiff obsidian]

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i keeo forgetting to turn the plugin of

u shoyld try doing 50 heat

its fun

[tepid light]

i prefer 69 heat

[stiff obsidian]

ok then try that

[jagged hamlet]

I suppose so, but the tone you take when people discuss optimal things sorta feels like the opposite side of the coin from jazz (no offense LOL)

Very hardcore casual fun if you will

Like "raaaaaargh! fuuuuuun!"

[tepid light]

Some people are just stark opposites of each other

[stiff obsidian]

optimizing fun fr

[tepid light]

I'm trying not to be obnoxious about it anymore myself, but I will state my opinion

[stiff obsidian]

@latent moon i saw u playing dead cells earlier is there anything i should know before i start

[jagged hamlet]

Arthur is a baseball bat

[tepid light]

Oh god make a skin for this someone I beg you

With a homerun noise every time the third swing crits

[jagged hamlet]

Like especially when you have Athena attack and a bunch of sloooow projectiles are stacked in your Hallowed Ground 👀

[tepid light]

the crack of a bat hitting a baseball every time you deflect a projectile

[stone rune]

what deity do i have to pray to to fix my rng

i swear there are divine forces at work preventing me from getting decent runs

[jagged hamlet]

Repent of your vocal hatred of Hades LOL

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219013967746306202/1292020388867346452/rTWAkaK.mp4?ex=67023741&is=6700e5c1&hm=6e5305daf5d22ed1f4b289a7e24b2c7f62ff60e62af14c79d1b1967f7745880e&

[stone rune]

they should remove bombers from modded

run ending

[stiff obsidian]

play run control

literally everything you are asking for

[twilit lodge]

Just go into the game files and delete the bombers

This is guaranteed to work

Probably

[stone rune]

i just want modded anyheat wr

is that so much to ask

[stiff obsidian]

my chaos boon evolved a new effect

[stone rune]

i love having a 17s long c17

[void vigil]

while being under 30 seconds, this clip feels like it goes on basically forever

[stone rune]

why are you playing this aspect

[stiff obsidian]

the discussion led there i was trying to identify how people find this immensely enjoyable

[stone rune]

the mind of a chiron enjoyer is truly unknowable

[tepid light]

pos special

interesting choice

[void vigil]

i had fun with chiron and beat em4 with it for like, the first and only time

[tepid light]

AYYYYY

ALMA MY BEST FRIEND NOW

[void vigil]

but herabow has rotted my brain i cant play anything else

[tepid light]

LOVE IT

anyone who plays em4 and uses chiron is excellent

[vague viper]

do you ever get to go back to p’s cottage after the 10 win ending or is greece off limits

I wanna fish so are the only spots in dad arena

[latent moon]

idk dont die lmao i'm not good at the game

[tepid light]

you're not seeing greece again

you just have to use the fishing spots in the arena yeah

[latent moon]

from what i've heard, stun is really good

[vague viper]

for dead cells? it’s fine

[latent moon]

idk just play the game and find out i've got no idea how to play it lmao

[vague viper]

you hit stuff and they get hit stunned anyway

[void vigil]

well it was 4 years ago now LOL did not try it again since

[stiff obsidian]

i am on em4

but i will never reach there

every chamber takes a minue

[tepid light]

that's ok you still have my respect

[latent moon]

the only main thing i've got to say about dead cells is that it's a lot better on controller than kbm, but other than that just have fun

[stiff obsidian]

ouch

i did play for 2 hours and then kinda quit bc not used to controls

[latent moon]

there's just more buttons that are useful compared to hades

[stiff obsidian]

but i can get used to it

[latent moon]

yeah you can def get used to it on kbm

[stiff obsidian]

i have mouse side buttons

sea storm before lernie W

[latent moon]

same it still felt weird but if it works for you then that's fine

[vague viper]

you can change them bubby

[stiff obsidian]

i know

this was like a year ago

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1292025289504854077/rse4SJX.png?ex=67023bd1&is=6700ea51&hm=afad64638e3515ce9484c4f041de6de787f70947cd39bed9f2bafe1df6767acd&

winnable

need jolt and double strike ideally

[latent moon]

oh sea storm on chiron

how'd you get sea storm before jolted

[stiff obsidian]

idk 2nd zeus boon was sea storm no rolls

[latent moon]

bruh lmao

[stiff obsidian]

first was atk ofc

[latent moon]

cursed

[vague viper]

hi I am mr dead cells

[stiff obsidian]

hi mr dead cells

im false side\

[latent moon]

hi mr dead cells

[stiff obsidian]

but yes ok ill ask u any questions if i have any

[vague viper]

look through settings so you can adjust it, mainly just turn on hp% and of course anything else to taste

damn you

[stiff obsidian]

2nd hammer relentless W

first was concentrated

[latent moon]

i've had dead cells for nearly 2 years at this point and i'm only on "heat 3" lmao im so bad at the game

54 hours

[vague viper]

be aware that weapons do NOT explain what they do so you just have to pick it up and try it so you know.
and the listed dps is sometimes lying so don’t trust it just try it, use it for the weapon (the wiki has the real dps if you want it but to compare that you’d need to know all the base dps values to compare to so don’t worry ab it)

I got hit with automod cause I said a bad word and had to retype it all

[stiff obsidian]

sounds like hades

[vague viper]

3bc? that’s like 14 heat keep it up bro

[latent moon]

ngl im just getting slapped bc every time i play the game it's been at least months before i try again

so i have to relearn a lot of things lmao

[vague viper]

oh and if you stick around, invest in the hunter’s showroom and use the grenade whenever you can, you could also scout the wiki for interesting unlocks to chase with said grenade if you really don’t want to be victim to rng

[latent moon]

ngl i think at this point i have all the meta progression that exists in the game lmao

[vague viper]

each enemy has their own unlock drop pool but the hunter grenade forces the targeted enemy to drop one, so you can like, go to stage 8 to hunt this one specific enemy for its unlock

[latent moon]

oh wait that's the uh

thing

yes i misremembered it lmao

yeah i should probably do that more often

[vague viper]

it was for false, I figure you’d know about the hunter showroom

[latent moon]

ngl i forgot what it was for a hot second

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1292027399961317416/R5c7jlE.png?ex=67023dc8&is=6700ec48&hm=6405739b1555b8784b69d73e013ab21b2eb886e66f8022230461174ca61157ae&

screw my life

im just going to reset here

[latent moon]

you have rare swift flourish wdym

[vague viper]

fishing point!!

[latent moon]

fastest specials in the west

[stiff obsidian]

i have no use of fishing points anymore

[vague viper]

does jury summons increase gold drops too

[vague viper]

in case you missed it @stiff obsidian

[stiff obsidian]

OK THANKS

caps

i dont evne have the game installed tho

might start next month

[latent moon]

technically no

each room has a gold cap before it stops giving you gold

so you're more likely to hit the gold cap with js3

but like if you dont take js at all you might not reach the gold cap

so like yes and no

[vague viper]

“yes, to a point”

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1292028412827013161/GfE4Xaa.mp4?ex=67023eba&is=6700ed3a&hm=ee83f3b4d63853a76539621ef9ee280bc24d14abe44e64767d0570d01f8272cf&

dawg wtf am i supposed to do here

[latent moon]

not die

[stiff obsidian]

this is why i play eris

they just die when they shoot

[granite mica]

I just got to Theseus' extreme measures fight and I am dying from laughing. It is amazing.

[tepid light]

There's a reaction I haven't seen before

Glad you're enjoying yourself though!

[granite mica]

I'm guessing it's not a popular opinion?

[tepid light]

No, not 'unpopular' aha

I just haven't seen someone react to an EM fight by laughing before

Most people are terrified, aha

[granite mica]

Well yeah I did die. I got Asterius beforehand so I did know what I was partly up for. But watching the cutscene thinking 'who the hell gave this guy a gun' made me laugh.

[tepid light]

Very fair lmao

[mint coral]

People def laugh a lot at em3 heroes

Then get killed by the bull

[tepid light]

I rarely die to Theseus himself but I have many times died to Bull due to getting distracted/zoned off by Theseus

[brisk trail]

I gotta be honest, I don't think I've ever played a more beautiful and well crafted game

[tepid light]

Dang, high praise

[brisk trail]

Well in the genre I think

Final Fantasy 16 is still like the absolute damn pinnacle of "OH MY GOD THAT'S BEAUTIFUL" in my opinion

[tepid light]

ff16 x hades crossover when

[brisk trail]

oooh if I knew how to do fan art at all...

my pfp is literally an AI's answer to the prompt "a god of rage and blood"

I mean I think it nailed it

[granite mica]

I am still dying just because I suddenly notice details in the stages and how well done they are and get distracted from the fight lol

I've had the game for ages, I wish I had actually sat down to play it sooner, it's gorgeous and addictive

[tepid light]

Glad you're having fun!

[lethal dock]

chat whatsup

been busytheese days anyone break new record yet

[fervent radish]

😃

No

[latent moon]

how long have you been gone lmao

luci hit 60 recently iirc

[lethal dock]

i dunno maybe 5 days wkaubydw

did dark side practice em4 yet

[latent moon]

yeah he's doing em4 stuff now

[brisk trail]

about to start 9th run

[hoary pebble]

I did another Arthur run

Very fun

[brisk trail]

Oh boy just rested in the bed

Wow even though I kinda knew about this, my god I'm still absolutely shocked

[twilit lodge]

[brisk trail]

The narrator being like "uhhh erm" is hilarious

oh... the conversation with nyx is heartbreaking...

[lethal dock]

bring back bingus

[strong owl]

Bro, yall gotta try aspect of gilgamesh with ME

Its so fun

[lethal dock]

no

[fervent radish]

Yes, that is indeed the meta

[lethal dock]

I dont understand if youre being sarcastic and i find that funny

[strong owl]

It used to be the main weapon I played cuz all you had to do was spam dash attack and special

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[fervent radish]

I’m not being sarcastic, just think it’s funny how someone discovered the meta

No one realistically plays anything except ME on gilga

Fastest build by far

[lethal dock]

if no one is playing does that count as meta

[fervent radish]

What

Meta is what the majority play because it’s strong

[lethal dock]

bro im so not up to date when did majority start gilgamesh

[fervent radish]

???

I mean that ME is the meta for gilgamesh

Speed meta is Beowulf

Fists meta is Demeter

[lethal dock]

whats ME

[fervent radish]

Merciful end

[strong owl]

Bro, i got it already

I got ME

Lemme see what chamber

13

Not that bad

[fervent radish]

Nice

Tart ME is very nice

[strong owl]

Yeah

I got it in the shop

[fervent radish]

Ye

[strong owl]

I destroyed meg so fast

[fervent radish]

Real

[strong owl]

Took me forever to get reflect dash

My curse of agony is level 11 lmao

Rip, i had no death defiances left