h1-discussion

[timid hedge]

lol

[rustic vale]

Stickybot knew what to do

[timid hedge]

lol

90 % of the time he ain't right

🗿

goodbye bouldy

[rustic vale]

The 10% is what matters

[timid hedge]

rela

real

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/spiders-smashing-rock-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-25038784

Sisyphus should just attempt this when Meg tries to whip him for the 100th time

[latent moon]

The devs won't do anything about it but I'm curious to see the video myself lol

You can just send it here

[jagged hamlet]

Zagreus summoning while fighting Hades

[vagrant eagle]

i think im missing something

anyone know how to get the athena heart

[rich fjord]

Wait quick question does loading a cast into hera bow end my hades call early?

[vagrant eagle]

ive done the requirements but do i need to talk to athena directly after a run?

[tepid plover]

Pretty sure you do yeah

[spiral axle]

does minotaur rush like override my power shot or?

nvm

[fervent radish]

Pretty sure Hades call provides bonus damage for a certain amount of time, and the bonus isn’t affected by attacking, but someone should check me on that

[rich fjord]

But doesnt it end early if u 'attack'

[tepid plover]

Yes

[rich fjord]

Loading cast doesnt do dmg but it activates like supprt fire so idk

If loading it counts

[tepid plover]

Wait idk about loading

[stone rune]

it doesnt and if you attack the actually important part of the dad call still works

the damage

loading stones is not an attack for anything

it will proc support fire on hera and beo

[rich fjord]

Soo loading it wont end the invis early

[stone rune]

no the invis does not matter anyways

[rich fjord]

Okok

It seemed weird anyway

The minotaur kept charging at me even after i used it

[stone rune]

generally you shouldnt have dad call in ely

[vagrant eagle]

does hermes final heart cost 2 ambrosia

and do you need hermes for epilogue

[rich fjord]

Ooo good to know

[mint coral]

Yes and technically no?

[rich fjord]

I only had him at 6 hearts

And got epilogue

[mint coral]

You need 6 of 8 olympians maxed

So he can be one of your 2 gods skipped but also his favor is ez over some of the most rng ones so might as well

[vagrant eagle]

oh really?

oh i rhought hermes was necessary

[hoary pivot]

it seems i can't. i'm unable to upload anything to this channel. i'll pop it in #h1-tech-support

[grand mirage]

you can send one by sending a link of an image instead of the image

[hoary pivot]

then i'd have to create that link somewhere. i just wanted to upload it to discord and be done with it. it's in #h1-tech-support now

[latent moon]

when he does that move and you phase him, he goes through the whole move animation before moving on

that's a known thing that happens

[fervent radish]

If he’s stuck in the animation and you’re soft locked, that’s not a known thing though

[twin thistle]

You can see the shield ends at the end of the vid and he starts dashing

But anyways thats just cuz you phased him

[fervent radish]

Yeah that’s known dw

[brisk trail]

I love Alecto

I just kind of wish there was more to her

[rich fjord]

I read hermes or demeter

Like 5 of the other olympians and then demeter or hermes

[vagrant eagle]

you cant get demeter

locked heart unlocks after epilogue

[crystal island]

Tips on how to beat hades without mirror?

[rich fjord]

For her u only need 6

For the other gods i found dio and aphro being the most annoying to max out

The rest are easy

[abstract drum]

i’m back at the first game after 9 months; do Chthonic Keys become…useless? besides trading? just wondering if i should keep or save them

[twin thistle]

Just use zeus shield

[crystal island]

I will

[left fox]

After you've unlocked the weapons and all the tiers on the mirror, the only use they have is for trading (as far as I'm aware)

[tepid plover]

All 4 meta currency become useless at one point

Except nectar (bouldy my beloved)

[daring ocean]

hello

[spiral axle]

so tired of seeing merciful end this and merciful end that on different builds for different weapons

[jagged hamlet]

Merci!

[tepid plover]

It's just that good

[latent moon]

unfortunate it's just good lmao

[fervent radish]

Just don’t play weapons that run ME

EZ

[proper ice]

Hi, does anyone know where to find docs to follow routed runs ?

[mint coral]

Prob ask in the speedcord instead (pinned in #self-promotion )

[tepid plover]

It happens quite often if you hit enough for phase change right as he does the attack

[latent moon]

Yeah it's happened to me a couple times

I wanted to see the video bc I wanted to make sure it was during the phase change and not like random

[tepid plover]

It is, sent in #h1-tech-support

[latent moon]

Yeah ik I commented about that earlier lmao

[rough glade]

Do I need to max a shield aspect for it to feel good? I have run it much and all of the aspects feel high lvl dependent to run great

[mint coral]

Not really

Charged shot spam gets you by on chaos/zag
And zeus/beowulf while lvls are nice they aren't the main dmg

[rough glade]

Ok good to know

[latent moon]

technically chaos levels dont matter either lmao

[rough glade]

So none of the levels matter it just feels like ass regardless

[latent moon]

yeah

best way to play chaos is to play it like zag shield

so ignoring the special

and using charged shot or pulv blow

[rough glade]

So why not just use zag?

[mint coral]

Cuz each shield having the same heat looks nice /j

[latent moon]

that's the exact point lmfao

that's why chaos shield isnt good

and why chaos levels also dont matter

[rough glade]

So pour 5 blood in zag to get Beowulf and have fun while not touching the others till I'm better. I'm chill with that

[latent moon]

i mean that works

zeus shield is fine

can upgrade that if you want

[rough glade]

Ok I'll give that one a try. Kinda wish you could refund titan blood I would love to rock a couple of things but can't just because I don't have the blood to do so

[rustic vale]

If you could refund ttn blood

It’d be like

it’d make the scarcity so pointless

[rough glade]

True. Idk maybe a one time use. ¯⁠\⁠\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ I'll live

[stoic summit]

how are 200 gemstones anywhere near worth 1 titan blood?

[proper ice]

Thanks

[tepid plover]

Maybe perhaps you don't need titan blood and just wanna buy cosmetics

I sold a lot of titan blood for gemstones back in my day 🤣

For you lot of those trades sound ridiculous because you need all of them, but Meta currency here becomes useless very quickly

[rough glade]

What's the use for ambrosia besides getting me more titan blood

[mint coral]

Nectar+

[tepid plover]

Relationships

[rough glade]

Oh who cares about that

[tepid plover]

Me

[mint coral]

Gift enough nectar > do favor > ambrosia

[rough glade]

Well skill issues I guess

[tepid plover]

Also companions

[mint coral]

Is needed for epilogue and companions as most important things

[tepid plover]

You need ambrosia to level up companions

[mint coral]

And dating if you care about that

[rough glade]

I haven't unlocked companions yet

[tepid plover]

Cause you haven't gifted anyone ambrosia

[rough glade]

Ah interesting. Well until I don't need titan blood anymore I'm probably going to keep trading it in

[tepid plover]

👍

No wrong way to play the game, as long as it works for you

[mint coral]

Don't go that crazy with the blood trade

There's some excess ambrosia but companions are expensive to max iirc

[tepid plover]

10 ambrosia to max each iirc

But again, you can always get the ambrosia one way or another later on

[rough glade]

Speaking of working what should I aim for during my aspect of Zeus run?
Also doesn't fishing have a chance to give ambrosia (well more like selling) I like fishing and I'll probably do quite a few runs

[tepid plover]

One fish from Greece gives ambrosia

[rough glade]

One fish is all I need

[tepid plover]

One of the 3

[mint coral]

Perfect catches in greece are goated

Guranteed blood lol

[tepid plover]

Not guaranteed

[mint coral]

Wait is the rare fish a diamond

[tepid plover]

Rare is ambrosia

[jagged hamlet]

Is guaranteed

[tepid plover]

I guess yeah

Nvm

[mint coral]

Lol

[rough glade]

Also can't I downtrade on special sales so it's not like an excess of one thing will hurt me

[tepid plover]

You can always get everything, in multiple ways

Whether broker, charon shops, fish from greece

You don't get locked out of anything

[rough glade]

So yeah I'm not too worried about it

[tepid plover]

Hence why 200 gemstones for a titan blood is worth, just depends how far into the game are you

[obsidian drum]

Me after seeing Thereus with the chariot: Please don't tell me that little vermin has a chariot too.

[tepid plover]

I won't tell you, gonna have to find out

[obsidian drum]

I saw it. Not chariot, thank Gods.

but now I want to draw it with a tiny chariot while Zagreus think that's even worse.

[latent moon]

thunder flourish and static discharge

zeus/dio call is good for dps since zeus shield charges calls pretty fast

[rough glade]

Ok so zeus/dio what hammers am I looking for?

[latent moon]

explosive return

or charged shot bc it's charged shot lmao

your hammers are pretty flexible, anything can work more or less

[rough glade]

Lol

[latent moon]

nothing's like bad, it's at minimum neutral

[rough glade]

Ok, that's good to hear I hate how some hammers directly feel horrible

[latent moon]

pulv blow is prob the only negative one since it makes your standing strike animation slightly longer, so it's a little slower to block but that's whatever if you dash strike into the block

but the animation isn't that much longer, it's very slight

[rough glade]

Alrighty

[sharp raptor]

yo how do you get dad fight to have a phase 3?

[tepid plover]

Extreme measures, pact of punishment

[jagged hamlet]

But first you gotta buy da pact

[tepid plover]

Oh right you have to buy it

[jagged hamlet]

Ya gotta!

[grand mirage]

extremer measures

[sharp raptor]

ohhh

[tepid plover]

Extremerererer

[slender spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230527948917047297/1249662842681032714/image.png?ex=66681eb7&is=6666cd37&hm=9cb0b8be3856f19b63f536243e7c80081a747c21bef0eb0e96d3601c64d76331&

gonna fight Hades, which is better?

Excalibur

only crit I have is Cast xD

think ill go charm

[grand mirage]

charm is useless as you don't proc as much weak using arthur

Different League can help abit

[slender spruce]

charmed atleast cancelled 2 of Hades attacks

that's something

[reef zodiac]

It also allows him to do attacks without a windup

[reef zodiac]

Here an old example https://youtu.be/Rv1Oen4fvpI

[queen monolith]

why cant i get dashing flight Q__Q

[reef zodiac]

Better question is why you want dashing flight

[queen monolith]

to fulfill the prophecy

[mint coral]

Are you using zeus shield

[rustic vale]

Use zag shield

[queen monolith]

i am using beowolf

[tepid plover]

do you have charged flight?

[raw herald]

Beowulf has the worst hammer odds for dashing flight

[queen monolith]

no

[queen monolith]

ok then ill switch

[tepid plover]

then just rng

[queen monolith]

can poison damage crit?

[mint coral]

Hangover? Yeah but you need global crit effects

So pressure points/hunter's mark

[queen monolith]

yea

i wanna know if its worth getting it

for a poison build

pressure points

[mint coral]

Is whatever

Just focus on low tolerance/curse of nausea

[queen monolith]

well i can focus on it when i get it lol

[rustic vale]

Yes, with pressure points/hunters mark/deadly reversal.

Splitting Headache requires a source of damage to already have a crit chance for it to add it’s bonus

it’s not worth it to try and get crit running compared to just shooting for low tolerance/curse of nausea/ all the poms in the world

[fervent radish]

Most duos are just free gold

[limpid hazel]

when hades talk at the beginning of the run what happen?

[mint coral]

Flasbacks to previous things he had said to zag

Doesn't affect the run

[rotund horizon]

i just beat hades

like

end credits

hades

[fervent radish]

Congratulations you’ve started the game

[lavish sorrel]

"you beat the tutorial"

(gg of course)

[queen monolith]

ooooooooh do zagreus and thanatos have a little bromance? 😳

[rustic vale]

Nah tutorial is everything up to 32 heat

[lavish sorrel]

32 heat is level 1, 16 heat is the last tutorial

[grand mirage]

cant agree with this more

i kept getting parting shot when i absolutely dont need it

i sold it in one run thrice

[mint coral]

I hope the blood was in Charon's shop

[sharp hemlock]

Anyone knows where can I find info about how much obols do enemies drop on kill and what are the chances for such an occurrence? Can't find it anywhere

I read on one thread that Rooms have a cap of 60 obols from enemies but i cant confirm if thats true or not

[mint coral]

Yes but no iirc

60 is one of the caps but it depend of where in the run iirc?

Prob better to ask the speedrun discord (pinned in #self-promotion )

[sharp hemlock]

The gold cap otherwise scales throughout the run, being higher the later in the run you are.

(quoting a random, this isnt confirmed)

[sharp hemlock]

great idea, ty!!

[rustic vale]

Always a fun past-time

oh wait nevermind they’re respectable people from speedcord

[sharp hemlock]

what, quoting randoms?

[rustic vale]

I mean as far as I knew you could have pulled that from reddit and I trust r/hades less than information I get from my dreams

[jagged hamlet]

I must know what a Shackle dreams of

[rustic vale]

He dreams odd dreams

The most recent one was 2d

It’s very hit and miss for how much I remember

[rustic vale]

I vividly remember swimming upward with some girl while Poseidon (greek mythos esque, not really Hades inspired) was throwing massive ice spikes after us

and not much else but I can remember the dream lasted for ages

[tepid plover]

Shackle 100% dreams of bow dashtriking

[rustic vale]

Fun fact, I haven’t

[sharp hemlock]

Well.. umm… so about that…

[rustic vale]

Speedcord commiserated so it’s ok

and valid

[jagged hamlet]

The Hades subreddit is bad, but not all the redditors in said subreddit are bad!

where dash poms

[rustic vale]

It’s just a cesspool of misinformation so it’s hard to tell what’s true and what’s not

[jagged hamlet]

I heard if you run 10 circles around Than when he's in the house, he's 90% likely to show up on your next run

[sharp hemlock]

The quote was from r/hades but I’m talking with the speedrunners now

[rustic vale]

I heard if you check under the pick-up truck on the back right of the arena post lernie fight, you’ll find Mew

[jagged hamlet]

Aha! Misinformation already: it's /r/HadesTheGame

For shame!

[rustic vale]

(You may have to dash out to find it)

(And you also might need to have hs and lc4 on)

[stoic summit]

I want to do 32 heat, reading the document for it is mad work

is megeras better than thanatoses companion?

it does 1k less damage

[rustic vale]

The time aspect is what matters

You want to make sure you’ll hit the boss/miniboss and when you want the damage, you want it right then and there

with breakpoints as is, 1000 less damage isn’t a huge concern

[stoic summit]

i suppose but most boss fights last longer than 5 seconds, for mini bosses that true although megeras is mad annoying to angle am i doing it wrong or is it just kinda luck

[rustic vale]

yeah but within the 5 seconds, Hades can disappear, you can deal enough damage that you’re overkilling a breakpoint

etc etc

[stoic summit]

true yeah that makes sense

although you cant use megera in the megera fight

[rustic vale]

Especially for minibosses who are mobile af

Meg has so many break points you’d be way overflowing

Ultimately you get enough value from using meg in the remaining bosses and in particularly annoying miniboss fights

You can’t do witches as easily /immediately with Than

[stoic summit]

real, wanna help out with 32 heat run?

[rustic vale]

Is this linked in fhe 32 heat guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8

I can’t remember

It’s essentialy the how to for Meg/Battie usage

[rustic vale]

Sure, I’ve done my fair few

and info sponged like mad from the community members doing higher heats

[stoic summit]

yeah theres mad stuff to read and im getting overflow lol, thoughts on pact?

how tf do i put images am i tripping

[rustic vale]

can’t do it normally

[stoic summit]

gah

[rustic vale]

You’ll need to imbed your image in an image link

If you know how to

It’s a bit of a bot countermeasure afaik

[stoic summit]

i dont know how to, sigh

[rustic vale]

Are you on mobile or pc

[stoic summit]

pc

[rustic vale]

Aight easy

Let’s just try and get stickybot back down here

It tries to stay at the bottom of chat so Hades II players can see it

and it’s been a few messages atp so it’ll be down shortly

there

Click on stickybot and just dm it your image

Then rightclick the image and look for the option that says “copy media link”

Iirc

[stoic summit]

sent

[rustic vale]

If you right click on your own message

with the image

It should pop up a few options including “media link” or something along those lines

hit that then paste it into chat

[stoic summit]

i sent the image to the bot

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[stoic summit]

oh

mb

https://discordapp.com/channels/@me/1249861410058670193/1249861449569009745

[rustic vale]

You may have hit the message link there…?

[stoic summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249861410058670193/1249861449199915110/pactheat.png?ex=6668d7ae&is=6667862e&hm=ca1183073d41f9df93e0a5d5a1b3ecf293a0dedfbceaf95b94a9f45c9d1adcff&

[rustic vale]

Got it

[stoic summit]

(sigh)

[rustic vale]

Oh goodness

Arthur with em3 fo2

[stoic summit]

disregading weapon

i just had that equiped lol

i dont know weapon yet, prob nem

[rustic vale]

Yeah arthur just suffers more than any other weapon from the combo of forced overtime 2 and extreme measures 3

You already have chasy Theseus syndrome but it’s Arthur and slow

[stoic summit]

yeah annoying chariot (thesus thinks he has skills)

[rustic vale]

The pact works just fine, I might drop underworld customs or extreme measures 3 for more hard labour but I’m a bit more used to that extra damage taken

Are you jumping straight from 11 heat to 32 or do you have higher heats on other weapons

[stoic summit]

ive done 16 heat

this is the mirror

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249861410058670193/1249862808359800862/mirror.png?ex=6668d8f2&is=66678772&hm=061979e9042b7defdbc0d43ea79132494b0bd0d4f76c83040c377823258e364a&

with nem, ive done 16 heat with nem

[rustic vale]

Pretty much what I would’ve recommended anyways

Infernal vs stygian soul is personal preference on non-cast based aspects as is

[stoic summit]

kk, should i just use nem?

[rustic vale]

sure, solid aspect

[stoic summit]

alright, then i got, battie and aprodite?

[twin thistle]

Yeah sounds good, nem isnt the safest aspect but its defo the best sword

[stoic summit]

what is the safest aspect?

[twin thistle]

Like beo or zeus or hestia

[stoic summit]

bro despawned lol

welcome back

[rustic vale]

Got a call from the grandparents so I kinda had to

[stoic summit]

ofc ofc

i think double nova is better than flurry slash and cruel trhust?

i got hammer

[rustic vale]

Oh for sure

on that guide there’s a sword part too

[stoic summit]

if i take chaos before the aprhodite room will the next one still be guarenteed aprodite?

[rustic vale]

And if I remember correctly Bananas added the sword hammer tierlist created by yours truly to that part of the 32 heat guide

[twin thistle]

Yeah those two are terrible

[twin thistle]

The next non hermes boon room reward, not necessarily next room

[stoic summit]

for chaos i got slippery favor, flayed eclipse and paupers grasp, slipper favor seems the best

[twin thistle]

Yeah thats good

[stoic summit]

its epic too

[rustic vale]

trying to remember which of those curses does what

puapers is definitely 0 gold and flayed makes u take damage

but slippery

[twin thistle]

Slippery is cant pick up casts iirc

[rustic vale]

makes sense

[stoic summit]

bet

[rustic vale]

yeah take favour

[stoic summit]

should i take strike or flourish? both epic i think heartbreak strike is better

[twin thistle]

Strike

[rustic vale]

strike is what you’ll be sourcing most of your dps from so

[stoic summit]

do i want dionysus in this build?

other option is health which actually does nothing? right?

[rustic vale]

Well

[stoic summit]

with max LC

[rustic vale]

Health means your god pool doesn’t have dionysus in it

And it adds 25 hp

Max hp boosts still heal you on lc4

[twin thistle]

Dio in pool is good if you get call

[stoic summit]

oh okay, do i want dionysus in this build then?

[rustic vale]

Dio call is strong but it also kindathe only thing you want from him

[twin thistle]

Well theres nectar, he can also just be uc fodder

[rustic vale]

Actually I can think of 2

yeah

[twin thistle]

His special is fine if like epic

[rustic vale]

Nectar and ~dr

[stoic summit]

i rerolled and still didnt get call...

its no rarity... (the special)

[twin thistle]

Just take uc fodder

[stoic summit]

which is...?

[rustic vale]

something to sell for underworld customs

[stoic summit]

ah

[rustic vale]

What are your options

[stoic summit]

drunken flourish, trippy shot, positive outlook

[twin thistle]

Yeah grab the flourish

Is it common

[stoic summit]

yeah they all are

bruh i lost like all my health im so bad wtver, i got passion dash common, low tolerance, broken resolve epic

[rustic vale]

Eh that’s what stubborn defiance is

Not passion dash

Ez rule out there

[stoic summit]

fr

[rustic vale]

What % is broken resolve at epic

[stoic summit]

+15%

[rustic vale]

see low tolerance is ez uc fodder, good money, but at the same time 45% dmg reduction on weaken

Actually

[twin thistle]

Already have the flourish to sell

[rustic vale]

Broken resolve is additive on the weaken effect right?

[twin thistle]

Think so, it helps a lot especially at epic

[rustic vale]

Yeah

I’d take 45% damage reduction from weaken

That’s massive

[stoic summit]

alright i think ima take charon instead of mini boss dio

[rustic vale]

Fair enough

[twin thistle]

Miniboss will usually show up again while charon wont

[stoic summit]

should take hermes or athena

[rustic vale]

charon doesn’t deal damage where miniobsses do

[twin thistle]

Get athena you want her in your pool

[rustic vale]

Hermes

[stoic summit]

...

[rustic vale]

Oh hh

Sure.

Athena is definitely the safer choice here I’m just maybe a lil damage greedy

[stoic summit]

phalanx shot rare, sure footing epic, bronze skin common. phlanax shot seems best i also switched to the +2 casts

[twin thistle]

Yeah thats fine

[rustic vale]

more dr goes crazy from 5% bronze skin

[stoic summit]

should i take aprhodite again other option is coin

[twin thistle]

Yeah take aphro

[rustic vale]

Aphro nice

Tbh as a zag bow main I’m like a mega proponent of dying lament idk how other weapons feel about it

[stoic summit]

passion dash rare, empty inside rare, life affirmation rare

[rustic vale]

life affirmtion

[twin thistle]

Life Affirmation

[stoic summit]

are errabus gates good? in high heat like this

[rustic vale]

nah

Early Tartarus ones are ok but

[twin thistle]

If you dont get hit, but i wouldnt risk it

[rustic vale]

Anything beyond early early tartarus are a no go

too hectic and too risky for not a worthwhile reward

[stoic summit]

alright i charon shop before megera battle, should i take aprho or max health prob aprho right?

[twin thistle]

Eh id take the health

[rustic vale]

I mean realistically here what are you even trying to get from aphro

at this point

[twin thistle]

Not much else to get from aphro

[stoic summit]

oh fr fr

[twin thistle]

A life affirmation heart is pretty value

[tepid plover]

😉

[rustic vale]

You don’t have artemis or zeus so no smouldering air or heart rend

[twin thistle]

You already have uc fodder and iirc you have cf0 so easy to get more

[rustic vale]

maybe if she was best girl but she ain’t arte

[tepid plover]

Debatable

[stoic summit]

alright barely beat meg, what keepsake should i switch to?

[tepid plover]

I don't see why the need to pick

[twin thistle]

Zeus

[stoic summit]

aphro is like not very attractive ngl

[tepid plover]

Understandable, have a good day

[stoic summit]

fr

bruh i didnt get my fodder boon

should i re-roll?

[tepid plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin thistle]

Yeah reroll

[rustic vale]

You took multiple fodder boons no?

[twin thistle]

How many do you have rn

[rustic vale]

what are your options and what are your rerolls

[stoic summit]

only the 1

i just sold it, dio special

[twin thistle]

Are you taking key doors

[stoic summit]

i dont think i had the option

[rustic vale]

If it ain’t core to the build it can be fodder

[stoic summit]

should i go for poms or health or just get even of both?

[twin thistle]

Get like one pom on your attack then just go for health

[stoic summit]

should i got for charon, pom or hermes

[twin thistle]

Whats your time and gold looking like

[stoic summit]

5:12, 142

[rustic vale]

Given you don’t have anything with mega pom value rn and you have life affirmatiom, those hearts look way more attractive then the poms

[stoic summit]

hermes then?

[twin thistle]

How many rooms into asphodel are you

[stoic summit]

i think this is the 2nd one that i finished

yes 2nd one defeated

[twin thistle]

Go for hermes ig as long as youre confident you wont run out of time with bad styx rng

[stoic summit]

nah id win

greater evasion epic, flurry cast epic, swift flourish epic

[twin thistle]

Get flourish

[rustic vale]

How many rerolls

[stoic summit]

2

2

[rustic vale]

hmm

[stoic summit]

just a little greedy🤨

[twin thistle]

If youre feeling lucky you can reroll but flourish is p gud and safe

[rustic vale]

See the hyper sprint -> rush delivery want is real but a triple epic hermes is kinda

saddening to pass up

[stoic summit]

bruh stupid boat im gonna die

[twin thistle]

Meg the crystal when it spawns and try to burst it down

[stoic summit]

oh okay nah i got it easy

yeah meg was mad helpful

[twin thistle]

Pog

[stoic summit]

alright thunder dash rare, zeus aid rare, heavens vengeance epic. epic is alwasy better so obvi gonna pick that

[rustic vale]

Zeus air

[twin thistle]

Lmao, pick aid

[rustic vale]

aid

[stoic summit]

yeah yeah

dw im joking 😅

[rustic vale]

Smair is real

Oh my

C3 zeus erebus? Don’t mind if I do-

Wait it’s gilga can I even

why are there flame wheels

why

why

the one time I’m not playing a ranged weapon and take an erebus

[stoic summit]

wait

is this a bug?

why doesnt life affirmation affect thantos heart?

[rustic vale]

it’s not a room rewar

It’s a than reward

[stoic summit]

i highly dislike that i cant look at boons while the game is paused

[rustic vale]

uh

hit minus the pause

or

wait are you on pc

[stoic summit]

yes

[rustic vale]

Hit whayever boon menu is then pause

[stoic summit]

thanks fr

[rustic vale]

If you need to know the effects of boons

Hold on gimme a sec

[stoic summit]

swift strike rare, quick reload epic, greatest reflex rare

or i can re-roll once

[twin thistle]

Reflex

[rustic vale]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

Reflex

[stoic summit]

alright lernie fight here i come

[rustic vale]

Boom there’s your onestop shop for boons and hammers, note you can use + and - to affect the level and click to affect raritg

[stoic summit]

i feel like im gonna lose but whatever

[stoic summit]

nice

[rustic vale]

Do I want to take athena on a gilga dash build where I actively sell my other cores /avoid them

and I have tdash already

[twin thistle]

I mean, free dds

[rustic vale]

True I need them

The closest I’ve gotten has been the tiniest sliver on lernies hp for a 32 heat shackle gilga run

[stoic summit]

cool i beat hydra with more health than i started, im stressed

[rustic vale]

Around that time was when I decided I may as well start with pos keepsake for the same reason speedrunners use speedrun modpack

[stoic summit]

acorn for elysium?

[twin thistle]

Ye

[rustic vale]

acorn for safery unless you want obols or

Hourglass

If it’s a dash build anyways

Is it even worth the chaos or just do I take the gift and hope it 50:50’s onto tidal dash and not divine strikd

[mint coral]

Average Erebus

Oh messages didn't load

[rustic vale]

Yeah

I knew what u meant though

I immediately gave up the run given I had pyrple tidal dash off the bat

So I went back and got breaching cross instead

thanks to a little rng shifting

[rustic vale]

It’s a 32 heat, shackle gilga run in tart, should I take chaos or should I take a gift and hope I hit the coinflip and the pom hits tidal dash

I can’t really see much I would appreciate from chaos beyond max hp/favour given gilga’s stellar base damage

[twin thistle]

I mean room skip unless it aint one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1249877214304931840/image.png?ex=6668e65d&is=666794dd&hm=3ef0790d161d7c4351b550e08282e0c14806ee800b8c50ba8e77c823ece7fff0& bruh

[rustic vale]

I love dying lament

[stoic summit]

should i buy centaur soul?

or anything in well of charon?

[twin thistle]

If you haev extra gold its good, meg charges or touch of styx is worth too

im definitely not save scamming because i keep missing megs

[rustic vale]

Oh

Ohhh

Epic shoals but

But Huge Catch popped up

[stoic summit]

zeus aid, life affirmation, broken resolve i gotta get rid of one, i can re-roll

[rustic vale]

The meme would be too funny but odds I finish the rujnif I take

[twin thistle]

Abdjajbdvajsnvsbsbf

[rustic vale]

Life affirmation

Other 2 are more important

[twin thistle]

Ap1 keeps crossing out aphro attack and flourish

I shouldve just taken shackle

[rustic vale]

You don’t lose the hp gained from life affirmation

You keep it

You just miss out on future gains

whereas zeus aid and broken resolve go a lot farther

[twin thistle]

Okay maybe i shouldve taken tooth, lernie killed me

[rustic vale]

Huge Catch for the meme or purple shoals for the clear

[twin thistle]

i hate ap

[rustic vale]

I think it’s shoals for the clear

I take what I can get on gilga

[stoic summit]

bruh these stupid sheild guys are annoying and stupid, peircing wave, breaching slash, dash nova. ill die if i have to use dash nova again i hate it

[rustic vale]

Piercing wave and breaching slash are both super valid

They’re actually both top tier hammers for sword

[twin thistle]

Bruh shop hammer why

[rustic vale]

Common wave pounding for extra boss damaahhegehe

fire

I was too risky with Alecto

Just barely

[stoic summit]

bro this stubborn defiance got my heart racing im so scared im gonna die i just fought asterius

i got smoldering air though

[sleek cliff]

just win with huge catch

[rustic vale]

Hahahah died to alecto

Played it to risky

[sleek cliff]

shouldve won

[rustic vale]

I’ll try that next time

[stoic summit]

should i go for health or zues and athena boon room

[rustic vale]

Uhhh

[stoic summit]

jolted prob

[rustic vale]

I’d take zeus and athena, grsb zeus first, hope for static discharge, loss my stubborn defiance and hope for a dd boon

[stoic summit]

only good one i got was thunder flourish epic i can re-roll

[twin thistle]

If youre good on time its worth

[rustic vale]

whatbboons do youbhave

[twin thistle]

Flourish is fine

Save your reroll

[stoic summit]

wait i got 2 minutes

[rustic vale]

Like what do you consider bad here

[stoic summit]

im cooked

[twin thistle]

What chamber is this

[stoic summit]

thunder dash, heavens vengence both common

[stoic summit]

is there a way to check?

[rustic vale]

Hit boon menu

[twin thistle]

Bring up boon menu, in top right corner

[rustic vale]

Look at top right

[stoic summit]

32

[rustic vale]

you may be cooked

[twin thistle]

Uhhhh pray for fountain into 34 patty

[stoic summit]

dw dw ill win fr fr

[rustic vale]

just hit this dd boon

zap dash is bugged on sword ans you don’t want heavens vengeancr

[stoic summit]

26 seconds into boss fight...

[rustic vale]

You got tis

[stoic summit]

i gotta lock in

i got battie and smoldering air ill update if i lose

well and if i win

[twin thistle]

c12 speeder witches thanks sg barely survived

[rustic vale]

guys why didn’t ssg add bp3 to the game

[stoic summit]

...

[twin thistle]

Lemme guess, you won

[stoic summit]

yes you are precisely right

was it even possible?

i dont think so

i almost killed asterius and had thesus to half so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic vale]

If it was a better build? I’ve seen Asterius and Theseus donenin 7 seconds

[stoic summit]

okay achillies said he put something it the house contractor for my codex to make it easier like organization? i dont see anything though

i did an escape attempt and i still dont see anything

[rustic vale]

Oh the god boon list upgrade

[stoic summit]

i already have that...

[rustic vale]

Idk then

That should be it

[stoic summit]

weird

[rustic vale]

He may just give the dialogue later than it’s unlocked

[stoic summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

alright so the only reason i lost was skill issue right and i mean luck but i just need to play better and get luckier?

[twin thistle]

Yeah with more skill you prob wouldnt have run outta time

[stoic summit]

alright im going again

[rustic vale]

Play better, maybe get luckier, at the same time like

decisions come with experience and often a bit of coaching on what’s a good decision what’s a bad decision

[stoic summit]

bruh i got heartbreak flourish common, crush shot rare, passion dash rare. should i re-roll or is flourish not bad

[stoic summit]

real

[rustic vale]

it’s kinda all badnews bears

Flourish is fine~

Lmao shoals offered with sweet nectar

[stoic summit]

you cant open boon menu then pause

should i take chaos or athena?

[rustic vale]

you can see your menu but not scroll around

Chaos

[stoic summit]

no like it closes the boon menu if i pause

[rustic vale]

Odd

[stoic summit]

maybe its part of a mod

[rustic vale]

I just opened my boon menu and paused and it works just fine

Do you have mods installed?

[stoic summit]

no

[rustic vale]

I’m vanilla Hades

[twin thistle]

Yeah it works fine for me, maybe weird binds idk

[rustic vale]

[rustic vale]

Aka no mods

[stoic summit]

lighting strike rare, lighting reflexes common, clouded judgement common i can re-roll

i have zues aid

[rustic vale]

reflexes is pretty sweet for jolted proking while aid is on cooldown

[stoic summit]

not lighting strike? its seems worth

oh wait

[rustic vale]

Eh you’ll want your +% for the crits

[stoic summit]

jolted is for when the the enemy attacks

so if you dodge a attack and ligthing hits they will be mid attack for jolted right?

[rustic vale]

Mid attack ! = jolted prok

[stoic summit]

i already have 3 of those zues boons so i should use aprhodite keepsake for smoldering air right?

[twin thistle]

Ye

Wait did you not start aphro keepsake

[worn spade]

I have a question about Dyonisius hungover

[stoic summit]

i did

[worn spade]

Does the hungover stack with multiple attacks?

[stoic summit]

i suppose the wording was weird i was asking if i should stick with aprho

[worn spade]

Like if I use the Chiron bow with hungover as a special, will each arrou give a bit more hungover effect and deal more damage?

[mint coral]

Yeah

Hangover stacks to a max of 5 times (8 with low tolerance)

[stoic summit]

should i get life affirmation or re-roll in hopes for smoldering air?

[mint coral]

Each stack is whatever your dmg number is

[worn spade]

So that's why that build is said to be pretty good

[twin thistle]

Its not actually that good

[worn spade]

Really?

[rustic vale]

hangover is good chiron is the problem

[worn spade]

Whats the issue?

[rustic vale]

It’s slow and has 0 aoe

[twin thistle]

Chiron is kinda slow and doesnt do much other than max stack hangover quickly

And after you get max stacks you just have a mid damage special

[rustic vale]

every other bow beats it out for speed and single target damage while far outperforming crowd control

[worn spade]

Well rip on me for wasting a titan blood on the upgrade

[twin thistle]

well its fine in low heat, new players seem to gravitate towards it

[worn spade]

I started playing last week

The bow just seemed easy for me

But I am still trying to figure everything out

[stoic summit]

the bow was the one i beat hades first with, i died with the other weapons but now ive beaten it a lot so youll get there

[worn spade]

Yeah

I am on my like 31th run

Just faced Hades for the first time

[jagged hamlet]

The other three bows are almost entirely dash-strike weapons

[rustic vale]

The bow is easy, it’s just chiron is particularly notorious for being an easy noob trap due to it’s low skill floor

[worn spade]

Trying to improve with the bow and beat the game and then try other runs with other weapons

[rustic vale]

it’s incredibly easy to start off the bat but it really just sucks when you try taking it farther

farther in terms of speed and heat extremes

don’t @ me about high high heat hera that doesn’t make chiron a good option at high heat

[rustic vale]

I’m kinda surprised every aspect doesn’t have at least 58 heat from some god kiter just turning off td3

[worn spade]

Probabky Noob question but what do you mean by heat? @rustic vale

[rustic vale]

uhhhh

once you escape for the first time (hope it ain’t a spoiler that you can do it infinitely, it is a roguelite game)

you unlock heat, a modular difficulty setting

[worn spade]

Oh okay

[rustic vale]

it lets you swap on modifiers that make the game harder and boost your heat score so you can get more bounties (diamonds blood ambrosia)

Or for anything past 20 heat, it’s just flex and self challengr

[worn spade]

Yeah I knew you can do as many runs as you want after you beat the game

[rustic vale]

I’d say everything up to 20 heat is kinda the tutorial tbh but I know other people would say to credits is the tutorial

[stoic summit]

whats the best one to pick for patroclus?

in my 32 heat run

[rustic vale]

Touch of styx dark

[stoic summit]

figured

[rustic vale]

By a long shot

With a 2sack you take it to Hades

[worn spade]

The story also continues after you beat the game for the 1st time right? @rustic vale

[rustic vale]

Without a 2 saxk you have full hp for your first lofe bar o hades

[stoic summit]

is support fire better than pressure points? both common

[worn spade]

This is my first rogue like game

[rustic vale]

Credits is 10 escapes but there is an epilogue and also

21020 voicelines in game

So you’re very much not over

[tepid plover]

And lot more to do, aside the epilogue

[worn spade]

Damn

So many voicelines

[rustic vale]

21020 voicelines in game means I still get new ones every so often on my 420 hour save

[worn spade]

That's crazy

[tepid plover]

Is also, once again, a roguelike, endlessly replayable. Just cause the story is over, doesn't mean is the end

[worn spade]

It always surprised me how I always got differente voicelines after different encounters but never imagined that

[rustic vale]

I’m still here for the gameplay mainly but the new voicelines r nice

[worn spade]

Yeah ngl I was never the guy to even try a game like that, just went for it cause I love mythology but I don't remember the last time I had so much fun on a game

[stoic summit]

ayy i beat thesus

just got hades and then i beat this 32 heat run

yo i got satry sack on second one, got 2 styx dark things for mad health, going into the fight with near max health just got smoldering air and a legendary boon with 4 minutes on the clock

[tepid plover]

Me when 2 tunnel sack

Give me that 5 tunnel sack game

The odds are so low

[stoic summit]

bro i just accidentally used megera mid invunerable phase GAH

[tepid plover]

I might Mod it 🤔 for a 5 tunnel sack

[mint coral]

Just spam summon at the start of the fight

[tepid plover]

^

[mint coral]

Speedrun modpack can do this iirc

[tepid plover]

There's like no reason to hoard it

[mint coral]

Can also get the legendary 1 sack

[tepid plover]

Yeha no

I want 5

[mint coral]

(and yeah you can disable everything else)

[stoic summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249861410058670193/1249895819499274240/32heat.png?ex=6668f7b1&is=6667a631&hm=7040f4f4d52247a2c5287731b6156afc6299288ac327e5996aadf82b2910d028&

Lets go!!

mad thanks for the help shackle

[mint coral]

Gg

Did you get splitting in Styx

[rustic vale]

Wth

Wait wrong chat

[stoic summit]

lol

[rustic vale]

Thst was a rhetorical wth

[stoic summit]

whats that again?

[rustic vale]

Sweet build by the end there

splitting bolt

And yeah it would’ve been styx

[mint coral]

The legendary

[stoic summit]

oh yeah i did

in the charon shop thing

[mint coral]

Lmfao

[stoic summit]

i got smoldering air and that legendary in that shop

[mint coral]

Enjoy your statue

[rustic vale]

Could sell dem aid but

Hmmp

[stoic summit]

lol thats the only reason i did it, ive completed all the 'required' heats

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1249896831131975680/IMG_8706.jpg?ex=6668f8a2&is=6667a722&hm=dd8b5e1fbf1c560d7e6faf01161af3ddbf10189eb41edf13d27b0e71c5df2baf&

[tepid plover]

Akshually 32 isn't required 🤓

[rustic vale]

That’s like saying 64 heat isn’t required 🙄

[stoic summit]

how does one do a no boon run?

[mint coral]

Do you have rerolls left?

Oh no

[tepid plover]

Avoid boons, use shackle, profit

[stoic summit]

what if you cant avoid boons?

[rustic vale]

use rerolls on purging pools

^

[tepid plover]

You sell

[mint coral]

Ehhh I think I like second wind enough

[stoic summit]

ooooooooooohhhhhh

lol duh

[mint coral]

But also gambling is funny

[rustic vale]

I like second wind enough on

rushless reflex gikga

[stoic summit]

ima do no boon run

[rustic vale]

More dodge chance

like 86% dodge chance after a near miss is crazy

might sell dem aid and bank on seeing another one

[mint coral]

Oh I'm dumb just realized you still need to sell lmfao

[rustic vale]

lightning reflexes cold fusion jolted goes crazy

[mint coral]

Yeah just pray for another cakl

[stoic summit]

"statue erected" is crazy 😭

bro i swear i got a perfect catch how tf did i not?

[rustic vale]

Not withing 340 ms I guess

[stoic summit]

😐 😑 😐

[rustic vale]

No second call howevwr

Blue rush delivery or purple greatest reflex

Same build as before

[mint coral]

Rd for reflex + jolted I think

Dunno is just vibes, both let you win

[stoic summit]

bro this mf hydra just dodged meg

[rustic vale]

Ughhh only having 5 chamberd left on my styx dsrk is so cringe

One more

One more chamber and I’d walk down these halls and get a call

[stoic summit]

and i get a perfect catch and lose the 50/50 gahh

i havent gotten the satry sack yet but the only rooms left have boons so i cant do it without boons?

[rustic vale]

bad rng then

[stoic summit]

sighhh

[rustic vale]

Yeah

It’s bound to happen

when you’re trying to do something as specific as no boons

[twin thistle]

Technically you could reroll all of them to non boons

[stoic summit]

i cant re-roll them

[mint coral]

If you only want the dialogue the sneak way is to pray the gods available have boons that can't be sold

Those won't count for the game

[stoic summit]

what boons cant be sold?

[mint coral]

Depends by god but pretty much anything that gives a resource in some way

So stuff like dio's premium vintage

[stoic summit]

bruh this fight is annoying

[mint coral]

And ofc not everyone has boons that can't be sold

[stoic summit]

BRO I LOST

STUPID GAME

[rustic vale]

I used to joke that I kept hs on for quicker asphodel sd pops but

I’m really missing it

[mint coral]

I feel you

Same goes for eggs lmfao

15 dmg an egg takes a while

[rustic vale]

Is that some

odd

Hades II lingo

[mint coral]

Ely bombs

[rustic vale]

I’m too not done my finals to undersrand

[stoic summit]

im going again im gonna beat this stupid no boon challenge

[mint coral]

Haelian egg gif

[rustic vale]

Bro I am absolutely falling at double dash striming

Idk what is up

Wth

It’s so wierd on sword

You have to wait a second?!?!?

Is that what I’ve been doing wrong forevee

[mint coral]

Hm?

[rustic vale]

My dash strikes

The second one was always popping out as a standing dtrukr

With no dash

But it’s because I was trying to dash strike again too soon

[mint coral]

Ah

[rustic vale]

Wait

No

The issud

Is I had

I had ruthless reflex on for gilga

And didn’t turn it off

[mint coral]

Lmfao

[rustic vale]

[stoic summit]

whose companion is the far right?

nyx?

[mint coral]

Dusa's I think?

[stoic summit]

no i have dusa

[mint coral]

Who else you have

[stoic summit]

i have dusa, meg, than, skelly

[jagged hamlet]

🐜

[mint coral]

Oh antos

(achilles)

[stoic summit]

ah, gotta get closer with patroclus im pretty sure for that

thanks

i just have like 2 keepsakes left that arent 3 stars the companions and the rest of the prophecies

[rustic vale]

I’m dojng shaxkle zag sword for 32 heat and

Wait

That was supposed to reply to Noob

[mint coral]

Lol

[stoic summit]

lol

[mint coral]

What are you cooking now

[rustic vale]

Anyways I’m using the sword special rn

And

It feels so much better than dstriking

Maybe it’s because I have ruthless

[mint coral]

Ruthless takes you to places I wouldn't go in with a gun

[rustic vale]

maybe it’s cuz I was forced into pos special but I can’t imagine that’d be it

[mint coral]

Is this still that new file

[rustic vale]

Ruthless Hesti

[rustic vale]

Nah I would die

Level 1 on all aspects and no work orders

Would feel horrid

[reef zodiac]

Doesn’t sound good at all ngl

[mint coral]

Monodash hesti sounds as sad as mono dash rama

[reef zodiac]

And Hestia doesn’t make all that much use of 50% global damage tbh

As crazy as that is to say

Maybe with tidal dash but then you’d still obviously be better off with another dash

[rich fjord]

is there a keybind to roll 😭

i hate that u cant hit up on the menu and get to the roll right away

[latent moon]

Wdym roll

[jagged hamlet]

🎲

[latent moon]

Oh that one

I was thinking of a physical roll lmao

Yeah unfortunate

[jagged hamlet]

If physical roll, play Bastion

[reef zodiac]

You can

You just can’t once you open your boon inventory while in the boon selection menu

Iirc

[obsidian drum]

I'm using Adamant Rail for the profesies and I feel I'm playing Doom

[rough glade]

It feels so weird that 7 runs ago I could barely get past Hades and now I can reliability do it with any of the weapons wonder how that will change as I go for higher heats

[jagged hamlet]

Hah! Look at this weirdo learning and improving

[obsidian drum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1249958517750894673/sep-2023-cover-illustration-group-kids-laughing-pointing-another-kid-school-hallway-cropped.jpg

[rotund horizon]

𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

[tulip badge]

Baowwww daow daow daow daowwwwww daowwww daaaaaaa BRRRR BRRR BR BRRRRRRRR

[tepid plover]

Yeah

[restive thunder]

Got back into the game and I'm just getting bullied by specifically Alecto

[restive thunder]

How have I gotten all duo boons from these three gods this run.... worst part is they aren't all that useful

[grand mirage]

best value is to sell

[dim vigil]

when hades discount

[tepid plover]

wasnt it just on sale recently when h2 dropped?

[cunning pecan]

it was

[obtuse stirrup]

I started using the super soaker and I love it

[queen monolith]

am i actually hooking up with dusa rn? 😳

[tepid plover]

perhaps

[jagged hamlet]

You leave Cerberus's ball alone!

[tepid plover]

D:

[opal hemlock]

can you get bad news with ares cast?

what

[jagged hamlet]

So long as you don't have any skeletons in your closet, you've nothing to fear from StickyBot!

[opal hemlock]

did it remove my message?

i was asking something about hades 1 lol

its still there for me but i saw like a flash for a second so idk what happened tbh

[jagged hamlet]

StickyBot just automatically tries to keep its message near the bottom of the chat to ward off Hades 2 posters wandering into the wrong channels

You can get Bad News so long as you have Stygian Soul plus Lambent Plume or Auto Reload

The cast shouldn't matter

[opal hemlock]

oh its the c word getting "censored" haha

[opal hemlock]

okay dope thank you

are hammers the only upgrades that disable other offers?

i cant think of any boons that you can take that remove the possibility of getting another one off the top of my head

[twin thistle]

Some cast related duos like the the ones that affect poseidon and demeter cast

[opal hemlock]

ohhh right okay

that was sort of what was coming to mind too

[rich fjord]

whats a good gilgamesh build

[crystal island]

Lucifer good?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[crystal island]

What hammers/boons should I be looking for?
Zeus seems like a good idea

[jagged hamlet]

Aim for Triple Bomb plus a Special boon with a high % such as Aphrodite's or Athena's 👍

[rustic vale]

Triple bomb is the biggest luci hammer

[crystal island]

Oh
So laser bad?

[rustic vale]

The laser just isn’t your main dps source typically

You still want zeus on it

[crystal island]

Ah

[rustic vale]

but the bombs are huge damage with huge aoe

[crystal island]

I'll see if I can find triple bombs

Any hammers to avoid?

[rustic vale]

They explode with any damage dealt to them, so lightning strike has big synergy

[rustic vale]

Not really

I mean

~

Yeah I’m going to stick with a solid not really

[crystal island]

Alright
Next question
Most efficient way to farm titan blood?

[tepid plover]

pact fo punishment

[crystal island]

So I guess just keep adding on heat, huh?
Any other way to increase the efficiency of each run?

[rustic vale]

I mean ofc throwing together a good mirror, picking the right pacts, and learning mechanically how to use your weapons

you can either do a lot of runs with one weapon at a time, maxing out a good aspect and then just taking it straight to 20 to get all the blood possible from it, or you can mess around increasing heat by 1 for each weapon all at the same time so you have all the easiest runs first and gradually build up to 20 heat with each weapon at the same time

[crystal island]

Alright then
Since I've been getting really good with the bow (specifically Chiron's Aspect), what boons/mirror should I go for?
I'm assuming Shadow, Confidence, Family Favorite for damage?

[tepid plover]

mirror hardly changes tbh

[crystal island]

K

[rustic vale]

High confidence is ~

[crystal island]

So boons then?

[rustic vale]

Boons is always build dependent

which is always aspect dependent

[crystal island]

Well I'm using chiron

[rustic vale]

a

2 main options

Hangover or +% goddesses

[tepid plover]

jazz incoming to tell you chiron sucks at low lvl

[rustic vale]

doom and zeus are wasted on chiron

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t disagree with them

[crystal island]

I have max level on chiron
Also yeah chiron sucks ass at lower levels

[rustic vale]

1-3 is

[crystal island]

I don't get how people can survive with 4 arrows for the special ☠️

[tepid plover]

get gud

[crystal island]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[rustic vale]

You just use your strike or your kite enemies

[jagged hamlet]

Can always play low-level Chiron like a critless Zagbow too

[crystal island]

💀

[tepid plover]

but better

[rustic vale]

if you have 1-3 chiron, you’re probably not running td anyways

You can just kite everything

[rustic vale]

Lv0 zag bow with less special arrows