h1-discussion

[fervent radish]

I personally think the combos are smoother with monodash

[neat cedar]

huh

I thought for sure 2 dashes is just infinitely better than anything else they can offer

[fervent radish]

For most weapons yeah but shield is way safer and again, 50% more damage is huge

[neat cedar]

oh yeah that would make sense since you already have iframes on the charge

[fervent radish]

I always play shields with RR

that and blocking yeah

Also I would take infernal soul so you can get lightning rod

[neat cedar]

is it worth the worse hermes odds due to rapid cast?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[jagged hamlet]

Lightning Rod is great!

[neat cedar]

okeh

I only got it once

so I don't really know

[fervent radish]

Ye especially with static discharge

[neat cedar]

even if I don't take zeus keepsake early on?

[fervent radish]

You should be starting with Zeus keepsake

[neat cedar]

but that's not frisbee specific advice

why would I take zeus keepsake for a bow

[fervent radish]

And then if arty is in your pool you have a good chance of lrod

[fervent radish]

Rama can start Zeus into arty

But infernal vs Stygian changes based on aspect

[fervent radish]

Zeus keepsake start is advice I meant for Zeus shield, not every aspect

[neat cedar]

yeah but if I use something that starts with another keepsake is going for L-rod still worth?

[fervent radish]

Nah not particularly

If you’re not starting arty or Zeus

[neat cedar]

Okay ye that makes sense

[fervent radish]

Infernal vs Stygian is just preference at a certain point

[neat cedar]

Oh also does sword just suck?

Maybe cast sword is ok

[fervent radish]

AP2 and RI1 make lrod and bad news really unlikely

[fervent radish]

Nem is the good aspect

The other ones suck

[neat cedar]

But the moveset isn't that great

So it's just dash strikes

[fervent radish]

Special 2x dstrike is the combo

It’s pretty strong

[neat cedar]

I did get a funny build with it where I had +3 dashes, arti dash, aphro strike and the duo

But it feels pretty linear

[fervent radish]

That’s kinda the ideal build

[neat cedar]

Yeah sounds about right

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/895178062864474162/Hades_2021-10-05_22-08-22.mp4?ex=6658b4c9&is=66576349&hm=d5a0cfd3ba4081a8326d1dadb9592dc64a250a3d825154e7e8f167b6ba052b56&

Credit to Unananas (at least he’s who I stole the clip from)

[neat cedar]

Yeah that's basically how it went

[subtle needle]

i don't think i can get zeus shield to click with me, it chruns out so much safe damage but i dont enjoy juggling the special

i think i have to be an aspect of zag or beo gamer

[neat cedar]

Oh also is there a way to always get bouldy/singing lady/Patroclus

[rustic vale]

Nope

[mint coral]

pray

[rustic vale]

Rng

[rustic vale]

Real

Actually a good solution is to open up your game files and-

[neat cedar]

That's a lot of work

I'll stick to praying

[tepid plover]

Maybe there's a mod for this, I know there's one for h2

[neat cedar]

I'm fine with it being rng

Just wanted to know

[tepid plover]

Then yeha no, rng

[neat cedar]

I also know nothing about h2 other than how the main girl looks

[tepid plover]

Is quite similar

[neat cedar]

I'd assume it's h1 but different areas, weapons, bosses, boons, and do on

[tepid plover]

Is quite more than that, but you're not wrong

Very similar, yet different enough

[neat cedar]

It's not like I'm not interested I'm just waiting for 1.0

[rustic vale]

Afaik it’s not really so stock similiar

[neat cedar]

I'm only catching up on h1 now as well

[tepid plover]

From my experience is h1 but more

[west mist]

urgh, lost to hades on zeus shield

i really gotta do the fight better

maybe i'll just pick beo

[fervent radish]

How

[tepid plover]

Zeus shield got me my first h32 win

[west mist]

played it wrong

duh

skill issue? but then i don't exactly mesh with the weapon well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

zeus shield isn't that broken that it'll make up for player error

[rustic vale]

Nothing’s broken enough to make up for player error tbh

[latent moon]

Except delta chamber eris lmao

[rustic vale]

player error: not dash striking

[cloud mist]

dash striking on guns is so wierd though

basically does no bonus damage and only has the merit of not staying still

[rustic vale]

It comes out faster

And the main thing is

It’s a movement thing

[cloud mist]

....the gun.... shoots .... faster?

[rustic vale]

So you don’t have to take your hand off the trigger

[rustic vale]

It immediately shoots a bullet out the second you dstrike iirc

[cloud mist]

shooting normally has a delay?

did not know that

[west mist]

nah momus is like that rn

[rustic vale]

Given both flurry fire and swift strike can increase your rail’s attack speed

[west mist]

actual 1 button gameplay

[rustic vale]

Reconsider your location

[cloud mist]

moomous

sounds yummy

[west mist]

moomoos

mmm

i see why he was a comic

[fervent radish]

Nah just wondering. I have tips for Zeus shield if you want

[reef zodiac]

It most certainly does bonus damage

[cloud mist]

the gun?

does it??

thouhg ids say its difficult to keep aim

[fervent radish]

Turn off attack at cursor

[reef zodiac]

You shoot more bullets in less time https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/1245465199679639622/18fc5ea62b718-master_playlist.mov?ex=6658d95b&is=665787db&hm=b746e966222e57c040ce6432e52a2af00abd4212e38abbe2b77eab3b184c422b&

[cloud mist]

ok thats more dps

[cloud mist]

theres anoption for that? didnt notice ill try find it

[fervent radish]

Yeah it’s in controls

[neat cedar]

lmao I just changed to dark foresight and beat 32h em4 no problem

[fervent radish]

Gamer

[neat cedar]

I was so strong I just tanked hades

with the help of the trusty acron of course

all the statues are mine!

I can't believe how good dark foresight is

[paper wedge]

Wait I just finished that quest line that means I can finish Achilles nice

[cloud mist]

man i wanna play the game for a bit but im too lazy to free up memery to run it

why does hades need so much ram anyway????

[neat cedar]

Does it?

It never seemed that way to me

[west mist]

its okay i got hades next time

[cloud mist]

to be fair i have 8 gigs ram

[latent moon]

uh

that should be fine lmao

[cloud mist]

i did say im too lazy to free up ram

[latent moon]

ah

welp

[ornate wyvern]

Y’all won’t believe me but I just got friend zoned by a floating snake head

[cloud mist]

if i have chrome csp and disocrd running the game doesnt even launch due to insufficient memeory allocation

[quiet merlin]

now you can get stoned together. 😉

[jagged hamlet]

Friends forever!

[ornate wyvern]

I made her give me back my ambrosia though 😳

[quiet merlin]

what happens if you insist that she keeps it?

[latent moon]

nothing afaik she just keeps the ambrosia and you dont get it back lmao

[ornate wyvern]

Wouldn’t know

[quiet merlin]

no incel achievement?

[ornate wyvern]

Did I make the right decision getting it back?

[latent moon]

i mean it doesnt really matter

doesnt change anything

[ornate wyvern]

Thanatos made me in debt

[latent moon]

most take it back bc dusa takes a lot lmao

[ornate wyvern]

So true she took like 10

[cloud mist]

10 amb is a lot

[jagged hamlet]

She deserves it alllll

[ornate wyvern]

Someone tell me how to improve Zeus relationship it keeps being locked at 6 same with Poseidon

Lord pls I just need two more gods left to finish post game

[quiet merlin]

Have you tried seducing him?

[ornate wyvern]

Ayooooooo????

[quiet merlin]

Zeus is a notorious filanderer

[west mist]

its mostly just talking

talk a lot

[ornate wyvern]

Is Zeus a yapper?

[west mist]

he yaps

he wants to know what everyone's talking

he'll tell you

[cloud mist]

he wants that juicyv gosssip

[mortal vortex]

what is thanatos' favor

[west mist]

romance arc

[mint coral]

Lots of talking

[west mist]

just keep talking and make your choice

[mortal vortex]

hes never in the house

is there a reason for that

[west mist]

he's a busy guy

just do runs

[mortal vortex]

ok

[steep comet]

how do I take a screenshot on epic games?

[cloud mist]

are you on pc?

[jagged hamlet]

Isn't Epic Games on PC?

[cloud mist]

how would i know i dont have epic games

hold alt and press printscreen and your screenshot will be in clipboard
or if youre at least on win 10 fire up xbox game bar with windows button and G

[jagged hamlet]

By being familiar with Epic Games trying to compete with Steam, I suppose

[cloud mist]

why would i ever consider epic games

i dont really care?

i dont need to care?

[jagged hamlet]

How should I be reading your tone? Hostile? Annoyed? Neutral?

[cloud mist]

a bit confused but neutral

you questioning epic games being on pc generally suggests it is and i was jsut asking to confirm

[jagged hamlet]

We mayn't've gotten Hades had Epic not bankrolled some of it

[cloud mist]

unless epic has its own special screenshot feature like steam its more a question of how to take screenshots on windows

so thats why i was asking

theres also screen snip but i dont know what shortcut to open that

[jagged hamlet]

Win+Shift+S for Snip

[cloud mist]

ah screen snip is windows key shift and s

oop

beat me to it

[tepid plover]

???

Xd

[torpid geyser]

boutta try merciful end nem run update later 🫡

btw is doom attack a good pom?

[reef zodiac]

If you’re asking whether it scales well with poms, yes you should get it as soon as possible so you can pom it up asap

[torpid geyser]

update on nem merciful end run: abt to enter elysium with almost all of my boons being ares/athena (no merciful end yet SCREW ME)

[obtuse stirrup]

holy smokes the merciful end build is bonkers

[brisk trail]

I hate this bot

[tepid plover]

Why, he ain't hurting anyone

[jagged hamlet]

It's because StickyBot knows the truth about Blue Solace

[torpid geyser]

switched to a fists merciful end build and holy crap

[obsidian drum]

When I'm using the aspect of Chaos and he starts to make some comments about my decisions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyPBQPEwinc

[stone rune]

the main issue with your decisions was the decision to use the aspect of chaos

[jagged hamlet]

jazz coming back swinging from the start of summer vacation!

[tepid plover]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[void vigil]

woah, seeing double

[quiet merlin]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[quiet merlin]

double means 2. banned.

[jagged hamlet]

Shmiddty's has no power: it has an extra space after #h2-discussion

The poor, foolish fool!

[tepid plover]

I however

[quiet merlin]

not to mention all of the edits

[jagged hamlet]

For shame!

[vernal jungle]

does the war-god's bloodlust prophecy have to be triggered with a conversation

i've killed triple the amount it needs and it's not showing up

[faint ruin]

Ok fine, ill the good place my cussing then

Oh shirt, its either an event or conversation trigger. It popped up for me not long after i killed [redacted] the first and only time thus far

[tepid plover]

Have you reached the locked heart of ares?

[west mist]

my movement - ass

[faint ruin]

Seriously dyno you letting them get away with that?

[inner wind]

Think im gonna give up on beating Hades 1 lol

No way in hell im beaing Theseus

I can beat Chronos on like my 6th run but now I'm well into the 40's and still cant get past this annoying so-and-so

Even with the shield lol

[jagged hamlet]

Need to play around his defenses and such. Make liberal use of the pillars around the room to dodge his spear lobs

PSA: everyone should go behind Hades's big old chair and appreciate the big mural on the wall

[inner wind]

Thats what im trying to do lol

But it seems like no matter what i do I can never get enough damage off

Going for good damage builds means I lose my DDs too early, which means the Minotaur kills me too fast

Going for health builds means I'm probably relying on poison damage over time, which I can never seem to land on Theseus

I've never even gotten to him with anything other than the shield

I mean, I did only just start playing yesterday but still

[jagged hamlet]

Oh my goodness 40 runs in two days

[inner wind]

Is that... good?

IDK I've only done like 8-10 in Hades 2 so far and I've already beaten it twice

[jagged hamlet]

You might need to gain more knowledge about boons and hammers and their respective synergies. Also, do note that Dashes give iframes, but Dash-Strikes do not. But Dash-strikes are very important for most weapons' DPS, including the shield

You are using Bull Rush on the shield, right?

[inner wind]

I mean I try but the game just keeps giving me darkness, keys or nectar over and over

Yeah im using bull rush

I can barely ever get any decent boons or hammers though bc all I ever see is darkness, keys or the gems

[jagged hamlet]

Aha. There's room for you to improve. Gift Olympians , then get in the habit of using their keepsakes to guide your RNG. Most people take one Olympian's keepsake into Tartatus, then another Olympian's into Asphodel

[inner wind]

I have Skellys thing on for a third Death Defiance currently 😓

[jagged hamlet]

You may need other upgrades to sway the room rewards toward non-meta currencies

[inner wind]

I do have 2 in reserve so I guess I could just...

Put Skelly's on when I make it to the third area

IDK why I never considered that

[inner wind]

I currently have Zeus and Aphrodite, the poison one and I think the huntress one??

I keep hoping Ares will show up but whenever he does I never have any nectar on me LOL

I guess I'll do one more run trying this but man this game drains my motivation like no other 😮‍💨

[inner wind]

Found it literally in the second room lmao

[west mist]

i do it more often now that hades 2 had it replaced

[inner wind]

Yea I give up

[vernal jungle]

yes

[tepid plover]

Then yeah talk to hades until he gives it to you, then again until he comments on it for completion

[pliant meadow]

Hi does anyone know what behavior can change the outcome of fishing?
I'm trying to finish the codex using cloud save
Also I noticed save/load changes the list of temple Charon shop but cannot change diamond/blood

playing on ps5 btw

[rustic vale]

It’s really just

If you catch with .34s it’s a 50:50 between rare and legendary fish, within .68s it’s 50:50 common/rarr

[pliant meadow]

Yeah I knew the perfect catch thing

[rustic vale]

if you’re talking fishing itself, the bobber will always

It’ll always be a fishing within the first 4 bobs

[pliant meadow]

Most of the time I was able to catch what I caught with catch/perfect catch after save/load

[rustic vale]

It can’t be long than that

and a real fish will always appear within a shorter time from the last bob then a fake one will

[pliant meadow]

Sorry for the ambiguity, I wanted to ask how to catch a different fish. Normally I could adjust the outcome by save/load, but just now I always caught Bass with perfect catch, could not get Stergeon no matter how many times I loaded

[rustic vale]

If you’re talking about the actual outcome of fishing, afaik reloading in shouldn’t change the seed persay, but doing something like rng manipulation

Which is something typically used to force a good anvil rather than fishing but it should work for that too

essentially reloading in you should have the same spot in rng in the run. But if you do any of certain actions, it’ll shift rng by 1 “rng value”

those actions being breaking pots, having a cast hit the floor, summoning, and reloading iirc

This is me using it to get a perfect anvil

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243413206261825597/New_Save_File_heroes_Fight.mp4?ex=66594b49&is=6657f9c9&hm=af7e2f142363972ea049f03d80804c5a5fd3ee3fcfd1236a181b57cdaeeefcb5&

Disregard the name of the clip I accidentally uploaded the wrong video to my computer and named it the wrong thing and nevee changed it

Does that make sense? Is anything missing from my explanation?

Oh there is part of it missing

Essentially each time you do this, you do your action, see your results, if you don’t like those results you quit out, and do one more rng shifting action then last time

Hence why I casted 4 times in the clip

since I had already grabbed anvil while doing 0 rng shifts, 1 rng shift, 2, 3, till the 4th was the anvil I wanted

I think that should be everything?

I’m 99% sure that should affect your fishing outcome

[pliant meadow]

thx! very helpful

[rustic vale]

(This also works for anvil results, eury rarity and pom boosts, bouldy boons, and really anything else, but it’s hard to control if it’s anything aside from what I just mentioned)

Since room rewards typically spawn you back in from after you choose the option iirc

[tepid plover]

this is wild

[rustic vale]

Ik

[hollow wraith]

Is it just me or is the spear terrible

[fervent radish]

Achilles is fast and guan yu is good for heat

Hades is ok for an exploding launcher build and zagspear just kinda sucks

[grand glade]

Spear felt very strong at first when I was having trouble with sword's range. Melee combos from a distance with guaranteed backstab on special was great.

And the wide, quick dash strike too

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-stare-dog-stare-gif-24786142

[ruby pike]

mfw i tried going for 1 more chamber in styx

and lost 175 hp

still beat the run (thanks poseidon and zeus)

[boreal ferry]

Ufff, but nice that you made it

Btw what weapon in H1 do you guys think is the best fór beating the game

[jagged hamlet]

Zeus shield, Zagbow, Hestia

[boreal ferry]

Ok, thanks

[twin thistle]

Hestia kinda needs blood though

[west mist]

sobbign

i had such good and bad luck this run

yay merciful end prereqs! aw man, gotta sell divine dash...ayy merciful end and divine dash and multiple touch of styxes! aww a 4 sack...

then i died because my sword control is horrible

tips for sword control? i take too much damage compared to the other weapons

[latent moon]

Special -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

Use empty dashes accordingly

[west mist]

i end up overshooting a lot

[latent moon]

More practice I guess then lmao

[west mist]

how should i go about aiming this on mkb

[latent moon]

Backwards dash strikes maybe I think

Hard to actually determine without seeing how you're playing or what exactly you're struggling with

[west mist]

yeah fair

i'll prolly post something if get stalled out

thanks for the advice regardless

[latent moon]

Dash striking in multiple directions in the same combo helps a lot of you're not doing that already

[restive cave]

aspect of hestia is great for learning to dash in each direction

[carmine beacon]

How i am supposed to play nemesis blade? I just tried it and it felt really underwhelming. I choose mostly artemis boons so get more crit and maximum advantage from them. It crit often, but the crit weren't juicy at all and it was not fun at all to play.

[latent moon]

artemis attack on nemesis is a bit underwhelming even on crits unless you have the double edge hammer or good chaos boons

aphrodite attack is more consistent since you can't reliably get the hammer you want

also if you aren't already, use the standard sword combo of special -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

standing strikes have pretty bad damage for how long it takes

[faint ruin]

fork, forgot about a treasure trove... that hurt

[neat cedar]

bros I got 7 Poseidon casts + mirage shot on Beowulf

stuff was crazy

[rustic vale]

You need an aphro strike and chaos boons in your life to juice up your crits rather than just more arte boons

All you really need from Artemis is a special or cast to open heartrend, hunters mark, and heart rend

[neat cedar]

does fiery presence apply to enemies that haven't been hit yet or enemies who have 100% red health?

[rustic vale]

Who haven’t been hit yet

So it proks against armour (yellow hp) instead of red if an enemy has armour

It doesn’t count hits against blue hearts iirc

[neat cedar]

Yeah that was my next question

So it's just the first hit to armor/health

[rustic vale]

Yup

[neat cedar]

Cool

[rustic vale]

that’s enough for quite a few weapons to onetap or two tap enemies (that they otherwise wouldn’t) so it’s generally pretty useful

[neat cedar]

Yeah it saved me lots of time in Tartarus last run before the stars aligned

It was honestly crazy

Never had a run where the difficulty curve was inverted

[junior hatch]

I need help with hades clous save

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1245907235985428621/image.png?ex=665a7508&is=66592388&hm=44f15854b65b69d675f3eff8ce671e230b275feff92cb042380d553c227448d3&

yarn moment

now watch me not get hyper sprint

nvm we gaming

[heavy burrow]

am i allowed to ask for some general tips here? i have just 11 escapes and im trying to do more heat related stuff since i need more of the titans blood and diamonds and things like that

but im just doing terrible now for some reason, idk why

i dont really understand how doing a run where the enemies do 20-40% more damage is so significantly hindering me from playing good as i was kind of doing before

[brisk trail]

Stfu

I HATE THIS BOT

I HATE THEM SO MUCH

I CAN READ THE CHANNEL NAME I KNOW

Blocking them is not enough

Anyway I only need 2 more conversations with Skelly

Some people complain about the progression of the game’s story, but I have no issue with it

I’m glad it never feels like a visual novel

[mint coral]

the bot is automated is nothing against you lmfao

[junior hatch]

Do you know about cloud save for hades

[mint coral]

No

[tepid plover]

Cause stuff is hitting harder, if you're having problem dodging then try using another modifier

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1245916201570537603/image.png?ex=665a7d62&is=66592be2&hm=deafba68044d8555e51b58a831eca2ebb6820be11d0eec67a572955c17f441d3& oh

dialogue is slightly different if you already have it maxed lmfao

once again skelly is my first companion

[latent moon]

it's literally not targeting you just ignore it

it's not that big of a deal

it's better to just have it here so people don't accidentally talk about hades 2 in here

there's a reason why it exists

[jagged hamlet]

If only we could all read as well as the llama

[tepid plover]

What's this reading thing?

Neve heard of her

[brisk trail]

I’m going back to the stone ages

Fire was peak technology

I’m going to ride wooly mammoths and make cave art with my cave bros

[hardy lantern]

does the game give you a dialogue for beating 20 heat on every weapon?

[tepid plover]

Can't remember

[rustic vale]

It’s not for you

It’s for every other goober who can’t

Don’t take it personally

We know you know where you are Blue

[brisk trail]

This is Solace’s mom, he got mauled by a sabertooth tiger

[rustic vale]

R.I.P.

[tepid plover]

Say hi to hypnos for me

[jagged hamlet]

Oh no! Now we have nobody who can read

[tepid plover]

Good thing we have the bot

[rustic vale]

Wait this wasn’t #h2-discussion !?!?!!?

[quiet merlin]

In Hades 3, how do I save Baldur from hell?

[tepid plover]

Praise the fates

Also this channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h3-discussion to talk about Hades III.

[quiet merlin]

Where do I go to talk about Hades 11?

[faint ruin]

Is there ever an contractor option to clean up zag's room?

[jagged hamlet]

No. that would be a cruel and unusual task to assign to them

[faint ruin]

guess mag will need to whip him into it

[quiet merlin]

Does Than play boardgames with Zag?

[tepid plover]

This implies his room needs cleaning

[tepid plover]

That game is not out yet silly

[faint ruin]

It does... it didnt bother me at first, but the more I play the game the more it is bothering me. Like all these contractor orders and his room is still messy. At least let me put the books away

[tepid plover]

||mel will def fix it||

I'm sorry stickybot, for I have sinned

[rustic vale]

Zagreus literally tells Dusa she doesn’t need to clean his room because he doesn’t plan on spending much time in it any time soon near the beginning of the game (she responds saying she’ll still pick things up here and there anyways)

Source: I started a new savefile recently and got that dialogue within my first 8 escape attempts

[inner wind]

I ALMOST BEAT HADES

I CAME SO CLOSE

[faint ruin]

Im aware and remember, but theres a point when it dawns on him that he might be staying longer than intended

Congrats getting past theseus astral!

[inner wind]

Turns out Aphrodite + Cluster Bombs completely removes the aspect of Theseus' fight thats terrible

Because he cant block 5 massive AOEs all at once

I just need 1 more death defiance and I think I can do it

Literally on my first run using the gun I got to hades 🤣

[faint ruin]

You can. I tend to use 1 dd getting to [redacted] and use a dd during each phase with them

[inner wind]

I have 3 ATM

I usually end up losing one to just a random stray hit from some enemy or the stupid Medusa head fight in the second area

I use 1 in the Theseus fight, this time I just played too risky

If I have that 4th as a safety net im 100% confident I can win

[twin thistle]

You only get 3 dd's unless youre counting skellys tooth

[inner wind]

Yea I have 2 DDs currently, and Skelly's tooth

So If I buy the third one im confident I can win

Cuz thats 4 revives

Which means if I play at least somewhat smartly I can bring one into the Hades fight

[twin thistle]

Btw you arent running tooth the whole way right? You should be swapping it on after heroes if you arent

[inner wind]

Yea I start with aphrodite, switch to Ares if I dont see him in area 1, and Dionysus if I do see Ares, then add Skellys tooth after fighting the bone hydra

Cuz I aim for Aphrodite on the gun special, then cluster bombs if I can find the hammer

[twin thistle]

Good to use acorn for elysium then swap to tooth after or tbh can just acorn both

[inner wind]

I had Acorn for hades this time, I didnt see it do anything

I know what it does but like

It didnt seem to protect me

[faint ruin]

Here i keep the same keepsake the whole way because lore and maxing keepsakes. Beat him twice now.

[inner wind]

I have Skelly's keepsake maxed

And Aphrodites too

I only just got the acorn on my last run

[tepid plover]

Mathematically, accorn tends to protect more hp than the tooth gives

[inner wind]

I dont have any trouble till the third area, even though the second is my least favorite one

[twin thistle]

Yeah it helps a lot more when maxed but kinda annoying lvling keepsakes. Since youre using rail the usual recommendation is zeus start for his attack and getting jolted

[inner wind]

I use Aphrodite bc weakness clusterbombs does an absurd amount of damage

Plus doom on the basic attack is really nice if I can find Ares

Then Dionysus for the full heal at any fountain

[twin thistle]

Zeus does a lot more damage

On attack

[inner wind]

I beg to differ

I've used Zeus before and he just doesnt do that much

[tepid plover]

That's your mistake xD

[inner wind]

I've never found him to be that good

[jagged hamlet]

Somewhere, jazz just died another death

[tepid plover]

He's great on exagryph

[twin thistle]

Well not hestia

[inner wind]

Zeus on gun doesnt seem awful IG

I've just always found Ares to be more useful

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged hamlet]

Zeus is optimal on almost all the rails dough

Get ye Zeus Attack. Get ye Jolted!

[inner wind]

I've only done one gun run TBF

And every other run Zeus has been borderline useless

[twin thistle]

Tbh if you dont find jolted zeus will be somewhat lacking

[inner wind]

How do I get Jolted?

[twin thistle]

Uh the boon is called static discharge itll appear if you take any zeus boon

Its prioritized so its relatively common on subsequent zeus boons

[tepid plover]

Wait is it?

[inner wind]

No it isnt

I just checked the wiki

[jagged hamlet]

Jolted makes it so that you're basically applying Doom while zapping away at enemies with smol lightning bolts 😛

[inner wind]

Heavens Vengance which is required for Static Discharge isnt Prioritised

[tepid plover]

Vengeance isn't "required" for static discharged

Is one of them

[inner wind]

Thats what the wiki says though?

[tepid plover]

Any zeus boon enables jolted

[inner wind]

I cant post an image to show what im looking at

[twin thistle]

Static discharge is whats prioritized

[jagged hamlet]

Can confirm anecdotally that any Zeus boon unlocks Static Discharge

[inner wind]

Oh alright then

So I just have to get Zeus twice?

And then im good?

[jagged hamlet]

Then pom pom pom Static Discharge

[twin thistle]

Funny wall from speed cord

Phase 1: Priority Boons

1. If you have no core boons (attack/special/cast/dash), 3 core boons are selected as priority boons

2. If you have at least one core boon, 1 core boon you do not have is selected as a priority boon. If there is an eligible replacement core boon, there is a 10% chance a priority core will be a replacement. (Not applicable for the first few runs on a fresh save)

3. If you have an eligible priority status boon (Blinding Flash, Static Discharge, Hunter's Mark, Razor Shoals), there is a 50% chance it is selected as a priority boon.
   **
   Phase 2: Regular Boons**
   At this point you have between 0 and 3 priority boons. For the remaining 3 to 0 slots, the following process takes place per slot.

4. If duo/legendary is eligible, roll for duo/legendary chance (whatever yours is, 12/10% base for regular room/miniboss rarity). If successful, pick a random eligible duo/legendary

5. If failed or none eligible, roll for epic rarity chance. If fails, roll for rare rarity chance.

6. Once rarity is selected, pick a random eligible boon (not duo/legendary)

7. If there are no eligible boons remaining, an eligible replacement core is offered.

Phase 3: Rerolling
If you reroll a boon screen with Fated Persuasion, one of the offered boons from the screen will be 100% ineligible to appear on the rerolled screen. This applies to Wells of Charon and Purging Wells too.

[tepid plover]

I know what you're looking at

[twin thistle]

Well static discharge isnt guaranteed it should be like 75% ish on second zeus boon pickup

[inner wind]

Right okay

So Aphrodite in the first area, then try to find the hammer to fish for cluster bombs

Then go Zeus and try to get 2 of his to find static discharge

[twin thistle]

Generally youd start zeus first so you have a better chance of seeing more of him

[inner wind]

Aphrodite cluster bombs alone got me all the way to Hades though

But aight

[twin thistle]

Hammers are pretty rng so

[inner wind]

Start with Zeus, get him twice, then try for Aphrodite cluster bombs

[twin thistle]

You can grab aphro in aspho, shouldnt have a problem with tart anyways

[inner wind]

I've seen at minimum 1 in each area

[tepid plover]

Interesting, I thought only core boons were prioritized

[twin thistle]

Rng as in the selection they offer

[inner wind]

Oh fair lol

Aight i'll try with Zeus priority

Wish me luck!

[twin thistle]

Other than zeus attack and aphro special itd be good to take zeus/dio/pos/or athena call then maybe you can get the zeus aphro duo to show up

[jagged hamlet]

Delicious Smouldering Air

[rustic vale]

…imagine every shot you do having it’s damage multiplied by at least two and getting that extra damage as chain aoe compared to waiting 8 years for doom to drop

[next ledge]

In the text you sent it reads, 50% for priority

[inner wind]

Ugh I got forced into the ice god

Well thats this run auto lost

[jagged hamlet]

Eh she has good supporting boons

[next ledge]

Some ice god boons are good

[rustic vale]

it really depends

she isn’t the end of the world on any build, given you want to fill your pool anyways

[next ledge]

I love taking rare crop just before the last boss, and fighting it with only common boons

[rustic vale]

Wdym by “forced into”

Cuz like

If it’s anything but c1 you should be fine

And if it’s c1 you made the mistake of not taking zeus keepsake

[inner wind]

I have the zeus Keepsake on and the first thing it gave me was the ice god boon

[tepid plover]

Haha scripted dem run

First time surface

[inner wind]

Fuuuuuuuun

she said sarcastically

[jagged hamlet]

she said icily

c'mon!

[rustic vale]

Ohhh

[inner wind]

Might as well just let them kill me

[rustic vale]

Just take dem special or dssh

[next ledge]

Honestly ice pretty good

[tepid plover]

Isn't the end of the world lol

[next ledge]

Not as good as premium vintage ofc

[jagged hamlet]

Except for all the surface dwellers heh

[rustic vale]

You’ll still get your guaranteed zeus boon

[inner wind]

IK but I like sticking to a specific plan

[tepid plover]

Nfo this again

[inner wind]

I just got useless cast and dash upgrades

[tepid plover]

Zeus will still show up next room

[inner wind]

Which would have got rid of my ice dash anyway

[tepid plover]

And that's fine? Zeus dash is good af

[rustic vale]

zeus cast isn’t the worst in the world and filling your cores is alwayd nice but yeah starting with zeus strike is preferable

[inner wind]

I've literally never once used cast

Not even kidding

[rustic vale]

…in general?

[tepid plover]

That's your other mistake

[inner wind]

It doesnt even do anything though?

Not that Ive seen

[tepid plover]

You have free power, and you're not using it

You're hindering yourself

[rustic vale]

Have you seen the mirror upgrade boiling blood? Or any aspect that says they boost casts?

[next ledge]

The mirror makes it so that you deal more damage if they have cast in them

[tepid plover]

The game is already challenging, you don't need to make it more challenging

[inner wind]

Im not trying to???

[next ledge]

But yeah i use it very little too

[inner wind]

Cast seems so pointless

[tepid plover]

I spam cast all the time

[inner wind]

Even with the mirror upgrade

[next ledge]

Make a ice god cast build lol, or love cast build

[rustic vale]

+50% strike and special additive for a small amount of time commitment is not pointpess

Dem cast is

[tepid plover]

It might seem, but is not, how is 50% dmg pointless

[inner wind]

Idk it didnt seem to do anything when I used it

So I just ignored it

[next ledge]

The only time i use cast is bosses or beo

[tepid plover]

I use cast as soon as I enter a room, takes a less than a second

[inner wind]

Alright I died hopefully I can actually get a real run going now

[twin thistle]

Tbh its additive so its not huge or anything but its still extra dps with a very small commitment

[inner wind]

Stupid forced run bs

[rustic vale]

Me omw to put my one zag bow clip up to demonstrate yet a different aspect of Hades gameplay that comes up in a run

oh spelling

[tepid plover]

I'll always say yes to extra dps with very little to no requirement

[next ledge]

Then it flies for a second and hits a wall

[tepid plover]

And so what

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=665a7022&is=66591ea2&hm=a6671c5606dcbad0b74d6da69ea7809bb31018bf65e4d1b5b2c1af01ca8fd148&

Immediate cast, no real time loss for +50% strike damage

where’s the issue with doing this regularly

[tepid plover]

Freelo

Is literally free dmg

[inner wind]

Oh my god the runs are fixed 😮‍💨

I just have to die over and over if I want the actual boon I want to start with

[rustic vale]

I need to stop posting this clip ✋😔

[tepid plover]

If it hits a wall, oh well, now you're in the same position as if you didn't use it, so you didn't lose anything

[jagged hamlet]

I appreciate your clip, Shackle 👍

[rustic vale]

If it hits a wall that’s what lightning rod is for

[twin thistle]

Yeah you almost always want to do it at the beginning of a boss/miniboss or when theres some thick armored enemy

[next ledge]

lol, zeus bad, dionysus good

[tepid plover]

I do it entering every room, religiously

[twin thistle]

Its also useful in aspho for figuring out where the heck the enemies spawned

[tepid plover]

^^^^^^

[tepid light]

Ok but what if lightning rod worked with demeter cast so that the beam turret zapped things while lasering things

[tepid plover]

Coming with hades 3

[rustic vale]

I like it because I keep finding more things to use it for:
Here’s why bow is good
Here’s why dashing strike on bow is crucial
Here’s why you should be casting
I had one more example and I’m blanking

[next ledge]

And inflicts jolted

[tepid light]

that would be so awesome

[tepid plover]

Cast deniers are in shambles once they play h2

[next ledge]

Here is why Alecto’s invincible phase uses all my tight deadline time?

[faint ruin]

Dont have the patience for cast. Cant do aiming like that. Too much time, yet thats what i do with dash. Dash into everything. If i have to slow down to reorient my brain just goes nope and forks me over. Most projectiles are reflectable. Fine ill learn to use cast then, my method works now

[rustic vale]

Real

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to do crazy aiming or dashing yet, my point atm is just throw your cast out at beefy targets, it’s free bonus damage

[tepid light]

new copypasta just dropped

[rustic vale]

[faint ruin]

What happened?

[next ledge]

Honestly it feels much better and useful there

[rustic vale]

Cast deniers in shambles when they see Hera or Beo

[next ledge]

lol, like i said beo cast is fine, but Hera…

[jagged hamlet]

Hera's amazing 👀

[rustic vale]

same weapon

[faint ruin]

Like i said deal with that then and adapt then, no need to now

[rustic vale]

Adapt when?

[tepid plover]

When hades 3 comes, you need to cast to open the door

[next ledge]

When stuck at x heat

[rustic vale]

Pushing off improving your mechanical skill till you “need” it is like 📉

start integrating stuff little by little

[next ledge]

Sadly i agree…

[inner wind]

I have come to announce I have seen the light of static discharge

[tepid plover]

Nice

[inner wind]

I retract all previous statements

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t have to be a lot or super hard but just try to incorporate ir a little

[faint ruin]

I like hitting walls and seeing improvement when needed.

[inner wind]

Megs healthbar just went to 0 faster than it ever has

[jagged hamlet]

Jolted is just superDoom change my mind

[tepid plover]

Why can't you see constant improvement, why the necessity of needing it

[inner wind]

Now all I need is aphrodite clusterbombs and Im confisent I can winm

[rustic vale]

Crazy zany given the dps meter usuallt required to see theblight

[inner wind]

Nah im with you

[next ledge]

No, no merciful end

[rustic vale]

Best part about jolted is fo2 synergy

You’re running the speed pact for the speed advantages? Haha why don’t you just take 40% faster jolted damage while you’re at it

[faint ruin]

Because its improvement on my terms and not other peoples. Mom and sisters where very big on forcing me to do things their way when mine was good enough and just as efficient, just different then them.

[next ledge]

And that with the boon that makes jolted not expire, is that any good tho?

[rustic vale]

”just as efficient” may not apply in this case here but I get what you mean

[rustic vale]

Not really

Given most things running jolted attack so fast anyways

[twin thistle]

Cold fusion can be nice to have but usually with zeus youre going for smouldering air

[tepid light]

speak for yourself

<---resident smair hater

[rustic vale]

“Smair hater” is wild

[tepid plover]

Fair, personally I'm constantly looking to improve, so long as it remains fun and not boring modifiers

[tepid light]

this is not something i've ever hidden

i like my maxed calls

[next ledge]

I am standing right before last boss with 32 heat… I don’t want to continue playing cause i fear i will die

[rustic vale]

“So long as it remains fun” and so the Hades community goes on, still shunning codex tech

[tepid plover]

Just don't die

[tepid light]

gotta end the run somehow

[tepid plover]

I don't even know what codex tech is lmao

[rustic vale]

I don’t see the pojnt when you never get to see them and unless it’s artemis or aphrodite you’re just getting less value

[tepid plover]

I like max calls just cause I like hearing zag scream their name and them answering back

ATHENA!

[jagged hamlet]

FATHER!

[tepid light]

i run maxed calisthenics and jury summons and em4

and guess which calls i do indeed like

so yes, i do indeed see them

quite often

[tepid plover]

SON!

Honestly on my favs interaction

[rustic vale]

That’s on you

[faint ruin]

First clear was 40min, 2nd was 20min. Improvement is subjective as everyones priorities are different. Agreed, as long as its fun thats all that matters

[tepid light]

You're acting like I'm not having fun

When I can assure you, I am

[rustic vale]

You can assure me that you aren’t having fun?

[tepid plover]

Assure me this, batman

[tepid light]

You know what I mean you bint

[rustic vale]

Tbh with cp2 and js3 I can only see more value from smair

[fervent radish]

why take aphro call for max call when one smair charge of dio/zeus call does a comparable amount of damage

[tepid plover]

I'm well aware full call athena is a waste, I however, don't care

[next ledge]

Do i have to google what bint means now?

[fervent radish]

nah athena full call is actually really nice

[tepid light]

I'm not making myself suffer, I enjoy my own approach

Don't go down the jazz path and forget that different people can have different preferences

[tepid plover]

Not really

[tepid plover]

What do you mean you don't like what I like???

[rustic vale]

You can have your preferences they’re just absurd

[tepid light]

That is the impression I'm getting from Shackle here, tbh

[tepid plover]

Shackle deez, old man

[rustic vale]

That sounded a lot funnier and jokey in my head guys

[jagged hamlet]

I got what you meant!

[tepid light]

Yeah that sounded more insulting than funny

[next ledge]

Depends on who is listening

[rustic vale]

I’m maybe a tad sleep deprived and unmedicated

[neat cedar]

It sounded like a joke to me

[tepid plover]

It's okay shackle I still love you as long as you use this channel to talk about the first Hades game, if you wanna talk about the second make sure you head to #h2-discussion

[neat cedar]

Anyways nice to see a fellow em4 enjoyer

[faint ruin]

I am having fun, 100+ hrs in thus far

[tepid plover]

I have 2 modifiers that I will always and forever run, even if they give no heat, em4 and ap2

[rustic vale]

Preferences are absolutely fine, until you start presenting them in as pure mechanical advice, which you have not done. You are good

[twin thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1245967510960865352/image.png?ex=665aad2b&is=66595bab&hm=0b1bb3123164391c937e8c29a41531ddf61801a99d414712c26037490b347253& bruh how the heck am I getting the triple special hammer two runs in a row

[tepid plover]

Bless the fates

[tepid light]

I'm fully willing to admit that I liked maxed out calls a) for the visceral satisfaction of the voice lines and cinematic and everything and b) because constantly pounding the call button with smair irks me

[neat cedar]

I still don't know all the names, is AP the one that takes away your boon choices?

[tepid plover]

That a) spoke to me in a spiritual level

[tepid light]

yep

[tepid plover]

Selene could never

[tepid plover]

Yes

[neat cedar]

So do you just reroll alot or just take what you get?

[next ledge]

Take what you get, let the fates decide

Dont reroll the fates decision

[neat cedar]

But what if the fates want me to play zagsword?

[next ledge]

Makes it easier to decide between what boon to take too

[next ledge]

Then take it, its the best wep (not best aspect)

[next ledge]

Works perfectly with premium vintage btw

[neat cedar]

But yeah I kinda like this way of playing

In other games at least

[rustic vale]

They cast their lot to the fates

It’s an unconventional gameplay strat but they enjoy it

[tepid plover]

I take what I get, I only ever reroll charon wells at the end to buy everything

I lied, I also reroll the chaos boon that increases gems/darkness, that's about it

[next ledge]

But how do you decide what door to take?..

[latent moon]

on AP, you only reroll on stuff that you absolutely need in the run

[tepid plover]

Funny, I have some mini rules that I follow, worst case scenario, I roll a die

[tepid plover]

I dont

[latent moon]

you prioritize boons less but you still aim for the gods that you need

bc poms becomes a problem since those are rng too

[latent moon]

i mean you run ap2 for fun, most dont lmao

[tepid plover]

True

[inner wind]

Im on the final area with 1 revive left!!

[next ledge]

Ah the Carrot and Banana are back

[tepid light]

GL!

[tepid plover]

A nice fruit punch

[inner wind]

Im kinda shaking right now lmao, it's taken so long to get here 😅

[tepid light]

a carrot and a banana alone would not make a good smoothie

you need more

[next ledge]

Carrot is a fruit?

[tepid plover]

Not with that attitude no

[neat cedar]

Honestly it took me a solid 15 hours to realize you can get more than one DD

[tepid plover]

Lmao

[neat cedar]

Like surely they wouldn't give you multiple ones

That would be really busted

[twin thistle]

https://imgur.com/a/NMQP7H3 welp dont need second hammer when flurry cancel tech

[tepid plover]

Em 2 and em3 makes the fight easier don't @ me

[twin thistle]

on fo0 maybe

[tepid plover]

Yeha I don't do fo, unfunny stuff

[neat cedar]

@ing you right now

[tepid light]

laughs in hydra

[neat cedar]

How

Em2 is the same fight but with lava no?

[next ledge]

screaming?

[tepid plover]

Hydra is a smaller arena, allowing you kill multiple heads at once quickly. Champions completely nullifies theseus from attacking you, turning the game into a 1v1 with occasional ground hazards

[next ledge]

They are closer together

[neat cedar]

Oh yeah I can see that

[tepid plover]

Asterius does the get harder but you gain more than you lose with the theseus change

He's not longer constantly impaling you, you're free to do more stuff

[next ledge]

Eh… opinions differ…

[latent moon]

em3 is more annoying bc it's more area denial

[tepid light]

but em hydra also gives you far less room to maneuver and thus far more chance to get hit by hydra's many aoe's

[latent moon]

em2 is also considerably harder, which is why the term "lernie tax" exists lmao

it's faster if you have a good build and know what you're doing

[tepid plover]

I guess, I find both those fights easier after using EM

[latent moon]

em2 can be easier yeah

[next ledge]

Just special right into the lava with arthur

[latent moon]

depends on build

[neat cedar]

If you have low damage you have to catch the chariot which is a bit annoying but I kinda get what you mean

[latent moon]

i mean the lava isn't the issue lmao

[tepid plover]

Good build is most fo the time a no from me, since ap2, and I still find it easier

[latent moon]

it's just close proximity

and depending which lernie head(s) you get, it could delete your hp lmao

[tepid plover]

Is it annoying? Absolutely, is still mechanically easier

[latent moon]

fair

[next ledge]

Tight deadline…

[tepid plover]

I don't use that

I don't use td or fo

Don't find them fun

[latent moon]

em3 is def annoying for td yeah

[tepid light]

i'm beginning to see where the differences in perspective come from aha

[tepid plover]

Perhaps

[tepid light]

i use 1 rank of both

[tepid plover]

All my runs are sub 30, I'm still not putting 1 point in td

[next ledge]

Should use at least two ranks of td imo

[neat cedar]

Out of spite?

[next ledge]

But yeah… i hate fo, just when i learned the attack pattern they change

[tepid plover]

It's bothers me mentally knowing I'm on a timer

[latent moon]

they dont change, they're just faster :)

[tepid light]

no

i despise time limits, i'm probably never going to go any higher

[jagged hamlet]

They never change if they're always FO2

[latent moon]

so true bestie

[next ledge]

lol, i guess, but i dont play with much heat

[next ledge]

When i first started I thought td would be instant death when timer ends

[inner wind]

WHY DOES HE HAVE A SECOND HEALTH BAR

[next ledge]

And i still took it

[inner wind]

I HAD IT

I HAD HIM

[twin thistle]

Rip

[inner wind]

Thats bs

[tepid plover]

Dun dun dun

[twin thistle]

Tbh you have 5 healthbars

[jagged hamlet]

You love to see it!

[tepid plover]

They never expect the second health bar

[next ledge]

You cheat death, he cheats death

[inner wind]

I came so close

Im so mad

[inner wind]

Not yet I dont lol, I need that 5th one

[twin thistle]

Tru

[tepid plover]

Wait until they find the 3rd

[neat cedar]

No!!!

[inner wind]

Dont, please god dont joke about that

[tepid plover]

If only

[next ledge]

I like the fourth most tbh

[tepid plover]

Fun fight

[twin thistle]

Dw theres only 2 for you

[tepid plover]

The 3rd is optional

[neat cedar]

You shouldn't have told her

[inner wind]

It's a good fight but god dam that second phase is unfair lol /lh

[jagged hamlet]

2nd phase easier dough

[neat cedar]

It's a surprise for later

[next ledge]

Yeah… spoilers…

[tepid plover]

Second phase is indeed easier

In both regular and in em4

[next ledge]

Especially with EM4

[tepid plover]

First phase of em4 is a the real final boss

[neat cedar]

True

If I get a butterfly ball I just cry

[tepid plover]

Once I win phase 1, I know I won

[inner wind]

Is it? The laser went through the rock I was hiding behind and killed me

[next ledge]

The rng… if its a doomstone doom is before me. If its a butterfly i can relax

[tepid plover]

Laser doesn't go thru the rock

[inner wind]

Well it did

[tepid plover]

It doesn't

[inner wind]

I hid behind it 3 times and on the third it went through it and hit me

[tepid light]

meanwhile i'm happy when i get the doomstone because it lets me charge my call so damn quick

[inner wind]

I literally watched it happen

[next ledge]

Try with shield block bug lol

[twin thistle]

Weird angle maybe

[inner wind]

I have the gun

[tepid plover]

Something else hit you, it wasn't the laser or you weren't behind the rock

[inner wind]

It was the laser

I literally watched the laser go through the rock and hit me

[tepid plover]

Ok, yeha the laser goes thru the rock...

[jagged hamlet]

Gotta hide better

[twin thistle]

You can also hug dad for his 360 lasers and theres a safe spot

[tepid plover]

I miss being able to do this

[inner wind]

Ive heard yea lol

[faint ruin]

Not at that point yet. Just figured out last fight what the green pillars do and work around them. But im more focused on diamond farming right now

[next ledge]

When you get to EM4, you wait for him to attack and suddenly he heals to full

[next ledge]

Just kidding i like the heal actually

[neat cedar]

No problem just get 8 casts and the heal is good for you

[tepid plover]

Imagine if laser went thru the rock, how do you avoid em4 laser

[next ledge]

Back to “I dont cast”

[next ledge]

Shield

[tepid plover]

Gaming

[neat cedar]

I wasn't here for it, you don't use beo/hera?

[rustic vale]

What time limit?

TD3 doesn’t exist if you’re just faster than it

[tepid light]

[rustic vale]

Just blot it out of your sight

[tepid light]

but yeah i just don't like time limits in games like this because they make me anxious

[rustic vale]

take a little piece of duct tape or smthing and put it over the timer on your screen

[tepid plover]

I wish this was the case, but seeing that timer down there, ticking down, bothers me a lot, even tho I AM faster

[west mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/181303403366842368/1245976891635007530/image.png?ex=665ab5e8&is=66596468&hm=229cc998c3ae9a6282f585e2284db187f36c9dcab70c32660d7f652cc8f58618&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

If I didn't get Merciful End in the room before this I would have been cooked here

[tepid plover]

Bro was cooked

[rustic vale]

I can understand feeling anxious about it but at the same time the idea is just so foreign to me

[tepid light]

big same

[rustic vale]

like I definitely felt anxious when I first had it on but I can’t imagine it persisting and I think that’s the issue for my groking

[jagged hamlet]

Maybe Asian has exam anxiety

[tepid light]

doing this would just lead to me randomly starting to take 5 damage per second in a random room because i forgot i had td increased and defaulted to my usual more cautious playstyle

[rustic vale]

The other lapse in understanding may be my casual style being faster than td3 ☠️

[tepid light]

i mean hey, i don't use higher ranks of td, you don't use higher ranks of cp and js and em

[next ledge]

Like i said before i like beo, but not hera no

[tepid light]

just different preferences, as we've established before

[rustic vale]

Mainly cuz I’m not looking to make my hades gameplay drag out

[tepid light]

i mean sure, and i don't want to feel rushed and anxious

as i said, different preferences

[rustic vale]

yeah

exactly

[tepid light]

also i'm well aware my general heat preferences are immensely different than most people's here

i also use heightened security

[rustic vale]

I use HS too but that’s personal preference

I don’t like waiting 8 years to reset my sd

[tepid light]

and i haven't even touched underworld customs or routine inspection or damage control or approval process

[rustic vale]

RI DC and AP are like

Je n’aime

AP is the bane of my existence

[tepid light]

i generally prefer harder/stronger enemies than a weakened/more restricted player

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[tepid light]

ofc using heightened security has basically made my existing divine dash addiction completely incurable

[rustic vale]

Right so this is my current pact

[tepid light]

sure footing is just too valuable

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1245980250920456193/EDBCC1C6-E442-42D9-965E-4F74CACF230E.jpg?ex=665ab909&is=66596789&hm=f06d670e34110974fd4d8f67fcde2e4cffb2783ea454b289c6bdad05d991e91c&

Pretty bog standard aside from HS iirc

[tepid light]

max forced overtime

i'm gonna need to do that myself before long

[rustic vale]

I can’t remember what a typical 32 heat pact looks like

I just

never turn fo2 off

[tepid light]

who cares what a 'typical' pact looks like anyway

pick what you're most comfortable with

[rustic vale]

idk I’m the one who said it was bog standard

And then realised it may not be

Don’t mind the RI missing I don’t have my mirror completed

[twin thistle]

Is em2 really standard

[rustic vale]

it may be em3

I just don't like em3 cuz it kills my melee vibe

how am I supposed to kill asterius when he's beyblading 24/7

[twin thistle]

True

[queen bluff]

I'd love to see hades on ipad

I didn't even finish the first game

[tiny rover]

It already is on the iPad

gotta get a Netflix sub though

[queen bluff]

I have and didn't know about it

[tiny rover]

Oooh, there you go then

have fun

[queen bluff]

I'm checking

Thanks

[inner wind]

I DID IT

I BEAT HADES

[quiet merlin]

EM7?

[west mist]

Maxed out all aspects now

[faint ruin]

Congrats astral!

[inner wind]

Thanks!

[tepid plover]

Congrats, now go do it again

[inner wind]

Hell nah

I did it once, im done

/j

[tepid light]

congrats!

[inner wind]

Thanks!

[tepid plover]

I've actually read of many people putting the game down after beating it once, and im like

That's when the game actually starts

[west mist]

its like they don't read persephone

[faint ruin]

Lots of people dont read at all while playing games. I know some people that just skip/ignore dialogue in games and just want the action side only

[inner wind]

I was reading all the dialogue to be clear lol, I just dont have any faith in myself that I can beat it again 😅

Like, i want to do another run but I doubt i'll beat it again for a while

[tepid plover]

You already did it once you can totally do it again

The first time is the hardest

[inner wind]

Okay question tho

Do I need to like. Do the heat thing to progress the story?

[tepid plover]

You don't have to, but it will take significantly longer without it, since you will need ambrosia

[inner wind]

The only one I added was harder bosses, which I probably shouldnt have done lol

[wind wedge]

I mean, I was exhausted after clearing Hades for the first time, and I definitely wasn't super hype to have to beat it N more times with heat.

[inner wind]

Whats the highest heat you need to finish the story?

[tepid plover]

This works one boss at a time, so the first tier only affects the furies

[regal epoch]

Same

I was too scared to do any others

[inner wind]

Oh lol

[wind wedge]

IIRC, from my limited exploration of heat, some of the other heat 1 options are surprisingly okay.

[tepid plover]

I assume you're talking about extreme measures

[inner wind]

Yeah

[wind wedge]

but I don't think I ever went above heat 10 ever.

[inner wind]

I only have 1 heat so far

[tepid plover]

I don't remember how much ambrosia you will need to max 6 olympians, but I assume is not a lot

So couple of heta levels, maybe 1-3 on every weapon should be more than enough

[inner wind]

Gotcha

[tepid plover]

And yeah, lot of tier 1 modifiers aren't that gamechanging

Like the one you used for example, once you kill the furies, the rest of the run is unchanged

[spark prairie]

the easiest heat to do for me at first were convenience fee, heightened security and tight deadline because they impact the difficulty in very limited ways

[inner wind]

Ill have a look, im a little more confident

[quiet merlin]

depends on how much you struggle with boss fights. It's kind of my goto as some non-boss-fights can hurt me more than boss fights

[tepid plover]

I don't not trust myself to use Heightened security, even after 500 hrs xD

[inner wind]

I only struggle with hades TBF lol

[quiet merlin]

em lernie can be tough for me, especially with melee

[spark prairie]

the first level of heightened security is pretty generous, and you can always pause or look in codex to stop the timer

[tepid plover]

That's tight deadline

[spark prairie]

that's what i meant

[quiet merlin]

yeah, that one's kind of a gimme as well

[tepid plover]

I'm never using that one, I've already explained why xD

[wind wedge]

I don't think I ever found Theseus & Asterius easy - and I think I only ever tried EM1 as a result because I felt like I could probably handle enhanced furies, but even enhanced Lernie felt dangerous

[quiet merlin]

I can do a fairly leisurely pace and still end with 10+ minutes left over

[tepid plover]

This is my personal opinion, but enhanced champions is easier than regular

[tepid plover]

Oh I can absolutely beat it, my runs are sub30

But still no

[quiet merlin]

I tend to favor enemy damage over enemy health because dead enemies don't deal damage (and also, dodge moar)

[tepid plover]

I'm other way around, I make enemies beefier

More slashing in my action game? Yes pls

[quiet merlin]

less results, more journey for you, eh?

[tepid plover]

Wdym less results

[quiet merlin]

you're less focused on the result

and more focused on the journey

[tepid plover]

The result is the same, they die

[quiet merlin]

not exactly the same. if it takes longer to kill them, that's a different result

[tepid plover]

I suppose

I def don't touch increased dmg or forced overtime

Those are my nono modifers

[quiet merlin]

which one is forced overtime?

[tepid plover]

Faster enemies

[quiet merlin]

oh, yeah that one is tough

I'm still sub 10 heat

so I haven't gotten a lot of experience on some of them

[tepid plover]

So I don't like extra dmg, forced overtime, or tight deadline. The rest I can manage well

Reduced healing is fine just not all the way down to 0

[quiet merlin]

for me, tight deadline can cause some anxiety at times, which causes me to make mistakes

but at this point, I'm pretty comfortable with the level 1 tier of it

[tepid plover]

I still refuse xD

Even if i can easily do it

[quiet merlin]

makes me think you're journey focused 😉

[tepid plover]

Yeah that's not a bad way to put it

[quiet merlin]

I have noticed that I've been missing more gold pots with the timer

[tepid plover]

It can def cause that

[regal epoch]

How many times do you have to beat Hades

[quiet merlin]

zero

you don't have to play the game 😉

did you have a more specific question?

[tepid plover]

He's out of line, but he's right

[regal epoch]

A foolish miscalculation

For I am now forever hyperfixated on Hades and am legally bound to play it

[tepid plover]

Ok the answer to your question is technically still zero xD

[regal epoch]

To get the ending

[quiet merlin]

which one?

[tepid plover]

For the credits, 10.
For other stuff, more

[regal epoch]

Ok

[tepid plover]

Side note, the credits is not the real ending

[quiet merlin]

||Don't tell them about the Olympian Orgy. They're not ready.||

[tepid plover]

[regal epoch]

Whoops I read it

[sacred pecan]

is heightened security being free a popular opinion? i nearly threw after getting hit for 150 by a saw in ||styx||. i dread heightened sec after that lol

[tepid plover]

I'd use HS if the pots from dad didn't count as traps

[spark prairie]

I mean that’s the only trap that can do big damage like that, you could also take a Athena boon to reduce some of the damage too

[inner wind]

I am once again doomed to lost all my runs at Theseus 😮‍💨

I love equiping a keepsake and then never having that god show up during two entire areas

No game I do NOT want Hermes

[neat cedar]

You do want Hermes though

Extra dash is cool

[inner wind]

I dont wanna see hermes 7 times during my run

I counted

Bro would not leave me alone

Even Charon was only carrying hermes or Poseidon

Im like my guy do you WANT me to lose???

I even had the Zeus and Aphrodite Keepsakes on and neither of them showed up

Because all of them were god dam Hermes

Literally on my last run I either got Hermes, the shop, darkness, Health or Poseidon and that was IT

I was forced into a hammer start hoping it'd give me something good but even that was useless

[grand glade]

lmao I usually just go for Hermes if he shows up even with another god's keepsake because he only gives two or three boons max I think

[inner wind]

Hermes has never once benefitted me if Im not already stacked with other actually good boons

[grand glade]

His boons are harmless at worst