h1-discussion

[tepid light]

sure it's not the greatest of aspects but i'd hardly consider it terrible either

[gentle venture]

thats also fantastic, very fair

[latent moon]

castpects kinda fall off at 55+ bc of dc and general enemy tankiness
beo is like the only exception lmao

[gentle venture]

ROR2 railgun is how i wish Hades Railgun felt lmao

[latent moon]

achilles manages bc it still gets flurry jab

and ofc the 150%

[tepid light]

was about to ask

<--- still hasn't played cast achilles because stab monkey brain too strong

[gentle venture]

i havent either, but i dont have an excuse

[latent moon]

achilles also has the problem of being extremely unsafe but it has a 60 lmao

[gentle venture]

im not really a cast build guy

[real bough]

cast?

[tepid light]

unsafe? why?

the mobility it gives is amazing

[latent moon]

flurry jab

[real bough]

huh, Achilles cast?

[tepid light]

ohhhh

well yeah flurry jab be flurry jab

[keen mortar]

how is guan yu and arthur all higher than 55, thought they would be the lowest. Where's this info located?

[gentle venture]

achilles is TECHNICALLY the spear’s cast build

[real bough]

actually I would argue flurry has less endlag

[latent moon]

arthur has an unmodded 57 somehow idk how that happened

guan yu has a 64 modded

[real bough]

he dont know abt the spin spam 64 heat Guan Yu

[gentle venture]

id personally argue the spear just doesnt have one

[proven lichen]

guan yu has a high skill celing from what I can gather. I mean, it's another one where it's like 'dont get hit lmao' and/or just heal from spins

[keen mortar]

oh lol fair

[tepid light]

"don't get hit lmao"

me: 🗿

[keen mortar]

how to win 64 is just "don't get hit"

[latent moon]

no it's like
flurry jab throws in an extra stab after your dash strike

[gentle venture]

thats the gilga logic too, maim? Just dont get hit

[latent moon]

i think something else too

but like it's just not safe lmao

[gentle venture]

i have to learn guan yu

[latent moon]

there's a reason why achilles is the aspect where most speedrunners die with

[real bough]

sheesh

eat that dmg then

whats the worst that could happen

[tepid light]

gilga doesn't shaft your health and healing though

[latent moon]

i mean for 64, it's really "dont get hit"
but also guan yu can get away with it more bc of the life steal

[real bough]

Hades tripple piece combo hitting a pot making you stuck

[keen mortar]

damn i should've tried simply not getting hit in my last run, solves all the problems

[gentle venture]

making it better than guan yu at SOMETHING

[latent moon]

the problem is that gilga is very susceptible to getting it bc of shorter dashes lmao

[gentle venture]

Fair

[rustic vale]

too bad you get commando m1

[tepid light]

yeah i guess if you're at 64 heat where the strat is "don't get hit" in general, i guess you lose nothing by playing guan yu

[latent moon]

there's like spin tech or something

[stone rune]

the tech is using mac

[gentle venture]

yo commando hurts to play

[latent moon]

no not that one

[keen mortar]

low heat, mid heat, high heat, and 60 plus are all completely different tierlists at this point lol

[gentle venture]

what about

no heat

[fervent radish]

a little boring imo

[keen mortar]

demeter moment

[gentle venture]

As much as i joke about my own skill, i agree

[fervent radish]

minimum fun zone is 40 at this point

[gentle venture]

jeez

[lavish sorrel]

fresh file

[stone rune]

high heat is so boring

[fervent radish]

also it's funny how monodash believers are either FF or 60+

mega extremes

[gentle venture]

i think my highest heat is like 6 or 7

[latent moon]

oh it's pseudo tech for guan yu

which is the same for bow

[fervent radish]

alex i'm a monodash believer btw

[tepid light]

ASPECT OF LU BU WHEN

[keen mortar]

what's ff

[fervent radish]

i sold greatest reflx for underworld customs

[gentle venture]

fox, final destination

[fervent radish]

fresh file

[gentle venture]

or that yeah i guess

so zagreus in smash, right?
how would he play

[keen mortar]

i sometimes forget you only have 1 dash at the start

so used to tapping the button twice

[gentle venture]

probably like byleth, unfortunately

[tepid light]

nah nah, imagine each one of his special moves has him using boons/abilities from a different god

and each of his regular moves are attacks with different weapons/aspects

[gentle venture]

nah, his down special is like heroes but he switches gods for his 3 other moves

[tepid light]

that'd be cool actually

[proven lichen]

I mean at 60+ you gotta be a monodash believer what's your alternative

[latent moon]

i mean yeah
low/mid heat, anything can kinda work if you want it to
high heat, say 32-40, same thing but if you want non-meta stuff to work you have to work a bit harder
40-50 is kinda where stuff actually starts to fall off pretty hard so it really pushes the idea of working harder for non-meta stuff.
50+ there's like a handful of aspects that actually work well at this point, but still a good chunk
60+ there are only 3-5 aspects

[latent moon]

60 can still be 2 dashes lol

but yeah 62 is 1 dash

[tepid light]

guys, important question

do i use hot green tea to make beef-flavored instant noodles

[latent moon]

what

uh

prob not a good idea but would be funny

[gentle venture]

i mean

it could be worse

[tepid light]

this is the most important hades question

[gentle venture]

it could be those florescent blue miku ramen noodles

[real bough]

that'd be nice

[stone rune]

you should have energetic spaghetti

[real bough]

just like Excalibruh

[gentle venture]

i really hope yall have seen that

[tepid light]

i'm actually curious, what is that

[stone rune]

https://preview.redd.it/battery-acid-spaghetti-v0-mtaclq5xetmc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=70ba6bf33404053ecdd83bd73e472bf741620478

[gentle venture]

weird take, maybe this is just cuz i play too much risk of rain 2

I think it would be cool if we could see zag’s keepsake somewhere on his person

[stone rune]

battery acid spaghetti

[real bough]

I'm putting everyone on the Tartarus list

[gentle venture]

bold of you to assume i wasnt already there

sentenced to the depths for defending and wielding gilgamesh

[stone rune]

its just battery acid spaghetti pal

no need to be so vulgar

[tepid light]

jesus h christ

thanks, tumblr

[gentle venture]

Wait forbidden cereal?

I have monster and sour patch kids in my house

Ive lived a good life

[stone rune]

another victim

[gentle venture]

Worst part is, it doesnt even seem like That bad of an idea

[fringe dust]

Look I have tried my ass to get other speedrunners to at least learn some of the RR or maim tech

[gentle venture]

Im convinced that i’ll one day have enough energy drinks to become pure light

[fringe dust]

At least I've taught some people the big meg on dad and the double heroes big meg

[stone rune]

isnt rending bull better anyways

[fringe dust]

It is

But y'know

The hammers you get are the hammers you get

[gentle venture]

I just want at least one person to try gilga and be like “oh i kinda get it now” when im like “but its fun tho”

At least YOU see something

[fringe dust]

I'm like

The Gilga Person

Lol

[gentle venture]

fantastic

Ive been trying to market those big meaty claws all day

I have a couple gilga victories in boasts rn

to give build ideas

To the uninitiated

[upper wolf]

You're mistaken if you believe people dunking on gilga are all uninitiated lol

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/1210441509795790888/image.png?ex=660f7c80&is=65fd0780&hm=2b2a392f9905b6d56d0cbc37381e943d5785e0af4c08bbfd88230e13b613277a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=314

this was my one gilgamesh run

[gentle venture]

I do want to go on record, saying that I never have necessarily claimed that the weapon is good

I think it’s really fun and I think that’s way more important than “good”

[fringe dust]

Second fastest actually, Talos and Zag are slower

[stone rune]

are they though

[fringe dust]

5:5x

[gentle venture]

Hm

[stone rune]

rama top aspect

5:2x

zagspear too

[fringe dust]

Second fastest bow yes

And second fastest spear yes

[gentle venture]

Zagspects ew

[stone rune]

zagbow and gy moment

[fringe dust]

See like, gilga is strong it just has clunky animations you have to handle, if you're clean it has a higher peak than Talos/Zag

The issue is handling the animations and playing clean lolol

[gentle venture]

Gilgamesh is like the Buster sword of Hades
is it clunky and slow yeah
But it’s gonna more than get the job done

Terrible description, but you know what I mean

[fringe dust]

Also like, maim damage is real on bosses

[gentle venture]

Yes!

[tepid light]

arthur....?

[fringe dust]

Looping it through phasing on meg/alecto, tagging Lernie heads, etc

[gentle venture]

No because the buster sword is usable

[tepid light]

HOW DARE YOU

[gentle venture]

i’ll rephrase

thats harsh

Ive won with arthur at LEAST once

[stone rune]

no arthur can rightfully be called unusable

[tepid light]

no u

tho tbh someone having an easier time with gilgamesh than arthur is something i haven't seen before

no offense to u ofc

[stone rune]

let me go make sure its unusable

[gentle venture]

I think I just have more of a preference towards the fists in general

I don’t find Gilgamesh to feel as clunky

the genuine input lag on the special causes me physical pain

If it weren’t for that, then I could see it

[tepid light]

jazz: personally hates using an aspect

jazz: "this aspect is completely unusable by anyone"

[gentle venture]

If Arthur had a hammer that just gave it the original special speed, then it would be great

I made the same joke earlier about Lucifer and the Rockets

The problem is, if you do something similar to Gilgamesh, you lose the entire weapon

THATS where the gimmick lies

[fringe dust]

here's a little Peak Gilga (epic RD, rending) for you to appreciate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4LL_OIkVug

[gentle venture]

I mean the way I kind of see it
Especially after watching your gilgamesh gameplay

Maybe people don’t like gilga cause they’re not good with gilga

[stone rune]

if it wont sub5 whats the point of playing it

[rustic vale]

...

[gentle venture]

trying to force it to?

the challenge?

[tepid light]

lol lmao

[stone rune]

ok but thats just not happening

[jagged hamlet]

Not with that attitude!

[rustic vale]

afaik getting good with gilga does not remove the shorter dashes

[fringe dust]

shorter dashes are kinda good for damage application though
the main issue is the longer cooldown

[gentle venture]

thats why theres four of em

[fringe dust]

i use RR so 3

getting +50% global on occasion gud

[rustic vale]

the longer cooldown was also part of it

but

my brains kinda mush

[tepid light]

you heard it here folks, if an aspect can't be used for the highest level of speedrunning, it's not worth playing at all

[stone rune]

god almighty how do people play arthur this is completely garbage

[tepid light]

LMAO

[fringe dust]

dash-strike tech mostly, it has some stuff you can do with it

idk how to do it and i mald whenever i try

[gentle venture]

I’m very glad that cherry is here to properly explain the weapon better than ive done for the past twelve hours

[latent moon]

gilga takes more time to adjust to bc of the longer animations and shorter dashes and generally aren't willing to put in the time and effort for it

[jagged hamlet]

I pretend Arthur is a baseball bat

[gentle venture]

Yeah, and if they did they might love it

i WANT them to love it

[rustic vale]

why would I want to like

[latent moon]

the problem would be getting over that hurdle lmao

[rustic vale]

unlearn every other aspect in the game

[fringe dust]

and the thing with gilga is, i put in that effort when i didn't have the core fundamentals of other weapons - so like, idk, i make a lot of mistakes other players with better fundamentals might not

[stone rune]

jesus christ

i stand by the fact that arthur is unusable

[tepid light]

for you

[latent moon]

lmao

[stone rune]

actual complete garbage useless aspect

[tepid light]

not that you're gonna listen ofc

[gentle venture]

maybe just get better with arthur

[rustic vale]

I'd rather not like regress from where I'm at with 23/24 aspects

[tepid light]

yep just as i thought

[stone rune]

why would i get better at arthur

[rustic vale]

to figure out dashing with gilga

[stone rune]

then maybe eventually once in my lifetime i would get one (1) sub6

[tepid light]

sighs

[stone rune]

not something that appeals to me

[gentle venture]

see what ive been doing for 12 hours

[latent moon]

before i got into speedrunning and high level play i mained fists so i tried gilga and it was kinda weird so i never really got into it lmao

[rustic vale]

I honestly

flagged gilga as odd

[latent moon]

i was like "why am i dying to heroes" lmao

[rustic vale]

before I joined

here at all

[latent moon]

kinda wanna learn gilga more but im on my high heat zag shield arc somehow

[fringe dust]

i feel like if you have muscle memory that strong taking the time to develop it, it won't degrade that foundation

[rustic vale]

keep pushing

[latent moon]

55 is next

[rustic vale]

I mean

probably

but it's like

[gentle venture]

I’m going to encourage you to achieve both tasks

[latent moon]

not looking forward to ri2 tbh

[tepid light]

y'know what i'm just gonna do something i should have done a long time ago, just to keep my sanity

[rustic vale]

going from 40 hours of zag bow to

hera

where now I need to figure out how tf

[latent moon]

problem is i dont have a lot of time to do either atm lmao i have to pick one

[rustic vale]

I'm casting

[latent moon]

and i'd rather to high heat zag shield

[rustic vale]

none of the buttosn feel right to swap

[latent moon]

i've got a relatively good streak going so i wanna ride that high for now

[gentle venture]

Well just add gilga to the list

[rustic vale]

but the controller binds I have right now are unusable

[latent moon]

yeah it's somewhere on there

[rustic vale]

for hera

[jagged hamlet]

jazz is such a WR speedrunner goofball

[latent moon]

prob behind dem fists sub8 or something lmao

[tepid light]

at least now i may have sweet silence

[rustic vale]

Jazz is ez my favourite WR goofball

[latent moon]

oh wait i already have sub8 dem fists

prob sub7 then maybe

[fringe dust]

@gentle venture you should've seen people try to dissuade me off gilga when i joined the speedrunning discord lmfao

[gentle venture]

Oh, I can only imagine

[latent moon]

i do want to grind fists time more and gilga is prob not the easiest way lmao

[fringe dust]

hoo boy

[rustic vale]

now it's time to dissuade you off talos

[fringe dust]

o

[lavish sorrel]

"I'm bad"
achieves something incredible
"I'm washed"
-Jazz

[latent moon]

sounds about right

[fringe dust]

i do not like talos

[gentle venture]

I absolutely love that. Everybody react the exact same way to getting censored here.

[fringe dust]

let's just say that

no dissuasion necessary

[gentle venture]

At one point it was my most used, but then I woke up

[rustic vale]

minor mistake and isn't on wr pace

"I'm the worst hades player"

[fringe dust]

the delay on the special feels like im trudging through mud and i hate the magnet sound

[rustic vale]

"anyone can sub 6"

I mean

if that were true

wheres my sub 6

[stone rune]

it literally is

just play

[gentle venture]

This is so specific, and I agree entirely

[rustic vale]

it is with energy in

lots and lots of energ

and

not everyone has it

[stone rune]

u can do it like every other run

[tepid light]

oh my god this feels so much better

[stone rune]

modded at least

[lavish sorrel]

Anyone can beat hades ff

[rustic vale]

Jazz I'm not jailbreaking my switch

[stone rune]

so you can probably do the same unmodded every 700 hours

[rustic vale]

Here I'll go sub 6 with my favourte aspect

zag bow

[stone rune]

after resetting for 13 years to get a single cshot

[rustic vale]

software update

that sounds like

a blasphemy

[gentle venture]

I will say, it’s also entirely possible that my different experience with Gilgamesh comes from the fact that I play on controller

[rustic vale]

I will say

[gentle venture]

I don’t know how much of a difference that makes

[rustic vale]

as someone who

play on controller

[stone rune]

bro

[rustic vale]

It's

[stone rune]

i get 2 shop ineligible aspho rooms in a row

i hate this game

[rustic vale]

the same as every other weapon on controller

[lavish sorrel]

Shackle stop splitting messages

[gentle venture]

I mean, like compared to everybody else who is using keyboard and mouse, potentially

[rustic vale]

I ca't

it's human

nature

[gentle venture]

idk

if i agree

[stone rune]

most runners play controller

[rustic vale]

AlexCA why would I put all my text into one message that's absolutely atrocious this looks atrocious someone needs to invent something like punction for times like these

[jagged hamlet]

Controller comfy

[fringe dust]

alex people type like that

its not that weird

lol

[rustic vale]

I'm literally the worst typer bro

[jagged hamlet]

Shackle might enjoy ye olde Greek!

[rustic vale]

anybody can type in one message

but me

I'm washed

[rustic vale]

Oh yeah

Ι κηοω ωπατ ΙΜ dοιηδ

ησοσησρβρ

[fringe dust]

here's some more Peak Gilga gameplay
again, epic RD / Rending, not your average every day build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_2bLlsPUI

[gentle venture]

Ah yes, ME fists

[stone rune]

i never want to see zeus again

someone ban him from my game

[gentle venture]

elaborate

[fringe dust]

that's the thing, i only play ME LOL

[gentle venture]

now thats efficiency if i ever saw it

[rustic vale]

Ι ιονε mγ ξιΙΙγ grεεκ κεγβοαrd

[lavish sorrel]

Splash hater

[gentle venture]

I’m not 100% certain but I think two of the builds that I posted into victory boasting are ME builfs

[fringe dust]

splash gilga is just like
antithetical to how i play gilga

and makes me mald

i hate it

[gentle venture]

I think a couple of those victories are also back when I was using privileged status so you’ll see a lot of Dionysis and Demeter in there

[fringe dust]

take note of the maim proccing on asterius after his bubble for like, 1060 damage

[rustic vale]

Ι ωιΙΙ τγρε ιη οηε Μεssαδε jυsτ ξοr γου αΙεχcα

Τπιs sιΙΙγ grεεκ κεγβοαrd ιs sο ξυη

[stone rune]

god i hate pink heads

garbage

[rustic vale]

JαΖΖ

Ηι

Βιg ξαη οξ γουr ωοrκ

[rustic vale]

Btw taking charon in tart id time ssve right

300 obols & disxoint card

forgot I had sd on, that's certainly one way to get sent back to the house of hades in under 6 minutes

[fringe dust]

it isnt unfortunately, charon takes forever and doesnt progress the chamber count enough to make up for it

[rustic vale]

I wasn't seriously asking I just wanted an excuse to @ Jazz

anyways

I''m 99% sure tart charon is huge timesave cuz like you end up right where you edn up after you beat dad

skip the rest of the run essentially

🧠 \

[brisk trail]

What r the ways to get more diamonds

[rustic vale]

kill hydra, trade, fish

[void vigil]

I thought you meant the shop and I was very confused on how it isn’t a time save

[rustic vale]

Jmm

Triple or twin decidions decisions

[fringe dust]

what wep

[rustic vale]

Zag bош

[fringe dust]

twin

triple dangerous, gotta get point blank

[rustic vale]

I was contemplating whether I’s like the extra base damave at cost of range

Since

Idc about safety too much when speedrunning cuz I can just do another run

but at the same time

I really like the single target range

So I can start my dash strikes earlier

but triple is also technically aoe

[fringe dust]

still, triple is better for bosses in that sense
but twin is more consistent damage in rooms

[rustic vale]

yeah

Consistency

is good

[fringe dust]

the output in rooms more than makes up for the extra damage on bosses

[rustic vale]

I normally just take twin idk why I’m thinking about it tonight

[fringe dust]

bow players are always debating this LOL

[rustic vale]

I’ve got my

Sub10 zag bow from forever ago

And idk if I’lm even match pace it’s been so long since I’ve done speedrunning

Ah

Js3.25 for 46% attack daamage

Thag sounds

Like a bad trade

eh it’s just js3.25 for 3 encounters but

I mean

Fiery presence boost would also be

kinda good?

More oneshots on enemies

but isn’t that like half effective cuz it only effects one areow

roiling strike is so tempting yet dissuadinf

I’lk grab it

Tidal dash? You’re too kind game

[real bough]

average accoustic Zagreus behaviour

[brisk trail]

Whats the easiest punishments for pact of ounishments to reach 5 heat, they’ve been getting too hard for me

[brisk trail]

BRO i hate fishing, why do i never get them to catch the rod

[fringe dust]

max tight deadline gives you 6, its literally free lol

[brisk trail]

Yoo thanks

[tepid light]

quizzical stare

me with rank 1 tight deadline for the last 30 heat levels

[fringe dust]

tight deadline is inversely proportional
the less heat you have the easier it is

[tepid light]

true

[fringe dust]

so if u just want 5-6 heat, max TD and nothing else is easy

[tepid light]

fair

[fringe dust]

em4 enjoyer

....ah

[tepid light]

lmao yep

[fringe dust]

em4 is a long slow fight of course u dont use tight deadline

[tepid light]

beyond the fact that i just don't like time limits, using it with em4 and all the other modifiers i have would be

painful

[lavish sorrel]

||using EM4 is where that painful feeling comes from . We've had this convo before. I know.||

[brisk trail]

Yoo thanks

[real bough]

ma boi where is that emoji i dont seem to find it

[tepid light]

[brisk trail]

Can anyone recommend me achilles spear build

[fringe dust]

splash dash + arty attack + find a good cast

flurry jab hammer

[lavish sorrel]

Hunting Blades or Lightning Phalanx
(Cast duos)

[brisk trail]

Alr

[lavish sorrel]

(All of these combined, actually)

Poseidon dash, flurry jab, look for ares or athena cast, get the corresponding duoboon for said cast

[fringe dust]

hunting blades, lightning phalanx, trippy shot (ice wine optional)

[tepid light]

Alternatively: just stab stuff

[lavish sorrel]

They asked for a build, I gave them the meta builds. Pure attack buffs are not achilles meta

[tepid light]

I know, just being humorous

[lavish sorrel]

Nw, got that 😄

[tepid light]

Tbh I admire people who play achilles cast builds because I do not have the willpower to dash all the way up to an enemy, buff activated, and then not just stab them

[brisk trail]

Ok best the story and gotta say this game is phenomenal haha but so is the epilogue worth doing ??

[tepid light]

Yes

And you will eventually get it just by continuing to play, so you don't need to go out of your way or anything

[brisk trail]

Gotcha gotcha 😄

I'll take my time playing now haha

Also I did 4 runs without dying feels good

But Im on god mode 😂

[tepid light]

Hey, nice job nevertheless!

[brisk trail]

XD

God mode made the game more fun for me I'll probably turn it off down the line tho

[brisk trail]

Can i get back in bed with meg or is it just a one time thing

[mint coral]

Happens at random

[tepid light]

There is a Hades player out there who has, through pure rng, gone to bed with Meg every single night

[void vigil]

by sheer power of will

[tepid light]

ofc

[brisk trail]

Will meg go home if u do extreme measures 1 if u encounter other sisters?

[tepid light]

As in, will she appear back at the house? Yes

[brisk trail]

Ok time to do extreme measures (

[real bough]

thats like

the best ending in any game

[real bough]

💀💀💀

aint bro's bedchamber like

doorless

and was the reason he installed fake weights so that shades could see like a smear of the weights

[tepid light]

hey i mean

if that's what does it for him

[real bough]

and isnt bro's mother figure standing

next to the entrance

bros more of a Zeus's son than Hades's

[brisk trail]

How do i get chain skewe

Hammer from varatha

[jaunty sparrow]

[tepid light]

do you really want to go down this line of thought

[real bough]

as I see it

mans bedchambers is like

a zoo exposure

[mint coral]

Only on hades/zag spear iirc

[brisk trail]

Ok

[mint coral]

And exploding launcher blocks it from appearing

[lavish sorrel]

The superior zag-/dadspear special hammer 😌

[wicked sage]

lightning phalanx just feels so much better for some reason

[brisk trail]

What does it do

[mint coral]

Special explodes when hitting the enemy

Higher base dmg/more AoE

It is better than chain skewer but if you need it for the prophecy then just avoid it

[wicked sage]

is charged flight a decent hammer for beo

[real bough]

wIt

wait

is that thw

slower charge

but more dmg

[mint coral]

Is not slower charge as much as "allows" for charging

And for decent...

[real bough]

wow

thats HELLa lame

[mint coral]

Not really, it used to be meta (Cflight was +400% before) and people didn't know about mirage shot

Ig it can be funny but tbh it looks like a chore to play

[real bough]

minotaur and charged shot fan

still goated

[mint coral]

Beo is pretty much Cshot 24/7

Unless em4 high heat and losing the rush is worse

Then you can do sudden rush

[upper wolf]

only if you want to go for a meme build

Beo special is beefy, so maybe it can be somewhat useful. I have no idea: why would I think about it when flood flare and mirage shot is right there

[lavish sorrel]

Some people genuinely use shield special for hitless

[real bough]

even Netflix got ahold of Hades thats when yk them ceos are desperate to get people to buy the subscription

[upper wolf]

uh, makes sense I guess. hitless is 0 heat I assume ? Or maybe just TD1 to avoid survival rooms ?

[lavish sorrel]

TD1 + reset-pact

So HS HL LC

[fervent radish]

Luck into Hermes

But at this point I’m kinda just vibing so well with 1 that more feels weird to get halfway through the run

[wary iron]

do you have any tips for a dash only run?

[fervent radish]

Two options are Gilga tidal dash with secondaries and zeus dash with secondaries

Look for sea storm if tidal

[wary iron]

my plan was to go for tidal and sea storm

yea

[fervent radish]

You could also do some blade dash gaming

Def want hyper delivery or greatest reflex

[mint coral]

If you are going for tidal dash don't aim for sea stoem

[fervent radish]

Why?

[mint coral]

Get it if possible but both zeus and pos have better stuff first

[fervent radish]

^

[mint coral]

Need another pos core to even open it

[fervent radish]

True

[mint coral]

Razor shoals/breaking wave/lightning reflexes into jolted

Reflexes kinda sea storm really lol

[wary iron]

yeah

the zeus legendary works for reflexes too right?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[wary iron]

16 heat dash only on mobile soon

[fervent radish]

Dash only is mobile meta

Because you don’t have to worry about pressing other buttons

[wary iron]

lags are bad

and i still have trouble to time the tidal dash

but yeah

[mint coral]

Also getting used to proc RR consciously sounds great

[wary iron]

rr?

[mint coral]

Ruthless reflex

[wary iron]

oh

tbh i only have like half the mirror rn

can't even get epic boons yet

[fervent radish]

It’s the second quarter

[wary iron]

yeah the yellow side of the second dash ik

[fervent radish]

Switch greater reflex

Yeah

[keen mortar]

i find that near misses are quite forgiving

like just dashing away from asterius charging will always yield near miss

[mint coral]

Caustic curse is great for RR

[keen mortar]

is there a point at which chaos isn't worth taking?

[fervent radish]

Before first hammer can mess up hammer chances

[latent moon]

That's really only relevant for high heat

[fervent radish]

If there’s another skip and you’re low

Or on eris where chaos is eh except for special

[keen mortar]

just to clarify putting chaos on a zeus attack rail won't do much right

it's only gonna multiply the rail base damage

[latent moon]

Yeah

But you can buff the special

[rustic vale]

hitless = however much heat you can manage

[limpid ocean]

I got scintillating feast, only have zeus special. Can I purge zeus special and still get the scintillating effect?

[brisk trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329403875117236225/1222623159291740281/IMG_3904.png?ex=6616e38c&is=66046e8c&hm=a998e815274504a0ea49c0c5e1ac850a865637602a99dd7ddc0d0d2d9ee1f58f& saw this on reddit, what is this?

[upper wolf]

yes

[upper wolf]

very late game thing. Purely cosmetic. Don't worry about it

[limpid ocean]

perfect thanks

[brisk trail]

Ohh cool

Can u get flurry jab w zag spear?

[upper wolf]

yes

[limpid ocean]

also just started in asphodel, got choice between hermes (got 0 hermes in tartarus) and eurdyice, if I pass on hermes am I still likely to get 2 hermes throughout my run?

[proper tusk]

yea

[limpid ocean]

sweet thanks

[proper tusk]

its not guaranteed

but eurydice is almost always the right choice either way

[limpid ocean]

yeah I can't really remember any times I didn't get 2 hermes

I've got trippy flare purple level 3 on a hera build, only have that and demeter attack that are upgradable 🙊

[mint coral]

I'd take nectar anyways

Rarity hermes huge

[brisk trail]

So i’ve got the dialogue from achilles to free him, but the dialogue for his contract from nyx didn’t appear, do i have to start another run for it?

I’m gonna have to farm diamonds again

[void vigil]

If there is any question, the answer is always “do more runs”

[brisk trail]

Ight

What r good boons for shield

[proper tusk]

zeus special + static discharge + double strike + splitting bolt for zeus aspect

flood flare + mirage shot for beowulf

no idea whats good on the other ones, i'd probably just do merciful end or something

[mint coral]

Aphro attack cshot lol

Or if you wanna be funny do pulv blow on zag shield

[upper wolf]

pulv blow is funny I concur

[limpid ocean]

chaos is offering me enshrouded defiance. Does that stack on top of stubborn defiance?>

Or would grabbing that be a waste?

[mint coral]

It works

[limpid ocean]

or do I have to trigger the stubborn defiance in the chamber I get the upgrade (like the athena trick)?

[mint coral]

You'd get a DD used after stubborn

[limpid ocean]

ok sweet thanks

definitely worth then

[mint coral]

The reason you need to do this is bc athena is a refill

Chaos just gives you the defiance

[latent moon]

Yeah it's straight up a free defiance, no funny stuff

Other than the curse lmao

I got an extra defiance on my 53 run

[limpid ocean]

I beat hades with like 1 health left, was panicking, then after I beat him I remembered I still had another defiance from the chaos one, + styx dark and the +10% one too lol

36 heat hera

[latent moon]

Oh does touch of Styx work with chaos dd lmao

That one I have no idea

Or at least don't remember

[brisk trail]

So i freed achilles, then he just disappeared once i broke his pact, do i have to go all the way to elysium to meet him and patroclus or will he just come back home suddenly? Like bro he literally disappeared after i broke the pact

[latent moon]

He shows up in the house whenever he wants basically

After some runs he'll be there, sometimes he won't

Same as before really afaik

[limpid ocean]

actually not sure, that's like the 2nd or 3rd time I ever got the legendary chaos boon, it's so rare

like, rarer than the artemis/demeter legendaries

[fervent radish]

I think it does?

Or no

It works on Ed

SD

[void vigil]

I think you may have to meet him again in elysium before he returns

[fervent radish]

But you don’t get it refilled afaik

[latent moon]

Yeah but chaos is a DD so would touch of Styx work

[fervent radish]

You can’t have touch with DD

[latent moon]

I'm pretty sure the item description specifically says "stubborn defiance"

[latent moon]

Chaos dd

With stubborn defiance

[fervent radish]

I think you get an extra SD

[latent moon]

No it's a DD

[fervent radish]

Oh

Hm

Idk then yeah

[brisk trail]

But he didn’t even teleport there just like orpheus did

[void vigil]

Then I dunno

[void vigil]

See

[brisk trail]

Man i’m tired its 4am imma just do it tmr

[limpid ocean]

Funny how I spend hours upon HOURS grinding high heat with zeus shield to be proud of how long it took me to me to achieve 43 heat

then I run eris rail and clear 43 on my 2nd try

[upper wolf]

yeah rail kinda good

well, eris & hestia kinda good

[limpid ocean]

I feel like I had stupid good luck on my 43 clear run though

[upper wolf]

it do be like that sometimes

[limpid ocean]

can I share victory ss here or do I need to go to the other channel for that

[upper wolf]

I hate the RNG in the game, especially without the modpack

You can share it here I guess, but #h1-victory-boasting is better

you'll need a link tho

[mint coral]

need to use embeds here

[limpid ocean]

oh ok

[fervent radish]

Real

But it’s more danger above 50 imo

[limpid ocean]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3203310645

my bad the link is so small xd

[mint coral]

I've seen worse screens from jazz

[limpid ocean]

I posted it in victory boasting channel

[upper wolf]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2474238502425756367/5E02BD03A01197F7E823CC66E632B1C76B9CA34C/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[limpid ocean]

my luck was pretty damn good that run

[upper wolf]

link to bigger picture

[limpid ocean]

Athina saved my ass that run too, got the +1 defiance thing twice

[stone rune]

sorry its peak

[limpid ocean]

saved me in early elysium in one of those stupid ass chambers with the shield guys that magically take 0 damage from anything

[mint coral]

sure

tho can't really complain anymore cuz I just got used to them lmfao

[limpid ocean]

also, rush delivery with eris - does the rail's 75% multiplicative or additive??

[upper wolf]

additive

[limpid ocean]

ok that's good to know

so rush delivery isn't as good on eris as it is on most everything else in the game

[rustic vale]

It’s essentially (base damage + base damage +%) * (1+ all your non base damage additive) * crit

• extra damage (hoarding slash, merciful end, that’s it for this category)

[upper wolf]

that's like saying having infinity-1 dollars is not as good as infinity dollars :p

rush delivery is sooo broken it's insane

[limpid ocean]

I mean, like, marginal benefit

but otherwise yeah it's ridiculous

does it benefit dash strikes on bow aspects?

[mint coral]

getting rd means you get to increase your dmg further with ichors too

[lavish sorrel]

exponential scaling BAYYY BEEEEE

[mint coral]

need to dash on release

[fervent radish]

Also don’t worry about the time. Zeus has a lot of intricacies for max dps which it kinda needs.

[limpid ocean]

yeah I feel hard stuck at 43 heat because the only heat I can increase that doesn't completely suck is calisthenics program / tight deadline to 5 minutes, and it's just a really hard aspect to deal a lot of damage with for me

a lot of damage quickly*

[fervent radish]

Aphro explosive return 🙏

[limpid ocean]

unless I have explosive return + + hyper delivery which is the goal

[fervent radish]

I have a boonless 32 run that you could look at

You don’t need hyper delivery

[limpid ocean]

but even then it's tricky

right, I've cleared 40+ without it before but I almost always need explosive return for best results

[fervent radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csi5Mn7fDL0

Yeah

It’s all about maximizing ER

[fervent radish]

Also use ruthless reflex

Big damage

[twin thistle]

Tbh ri3 zeus isn't that bad

[fervent radish]

It’s really not

Just play RR so you’re used to monodash

[limpid ocean]

I am nooooot a fan of ruthless lol

[limpid ocean]

Ri3?

[rustic vale]

Heat option

[twin thistle]

Routine inspections

[rustic vale]

Each level takes off the 3 mirror upgrades starting from@the baxk

[fiery pecan]

with the loyalty card, it works for every run or only the one you get it?

[proper tusk]

just that run

[fervent radish]

Fair enough

I wasn’t either at first

But 50% is a lot

And monodash makes the Zeus rhythm kinda fun

Got me doing stuff like selling greatest reflex

Also learn to scoot

[real bough]

would

if that sheesh worked

[fervent radish]

It does

It carries gilga to a sub 6 apparently

[real bough]

I'm talking abt the dodge part

[fervent radish]

Wdym

50% dodge is 50% dodge

I don’t think they’re lying to you

[real bough]

wait what

[fervent radish]

Ruthless reflex gives +50% damage and dodge chance for 2 seconds after a near miss

[real bough]

huh

well

thats actually goated

well except for the fact that

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[real bough]

my dodges dọnt register

as dodges

[fervent radish]

Skissue

Play around with traps and ely arrows

Also louts and witch projectiles

You’ll figure it out

[real bough]

alr

just dash near an attack

[fervent radish]

Ngl the dodges I do aren’t intentional. Kinda just happens

[real bough]

also I hate how dodging in this game is more of predicting

cuz Ive been hitting while dodging

[keen mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901586949666664468/1222766367426740274/VID_20240327_204034.mp4?ex=661768eb&is=6604f3eb&hm=957685f56dffa67fe4798030fa996fe3178459a6315b41dcaf472567da5e51bb&

ehe

[fringe dust]

i wouldn't say carries, bablo has a 6:00 w/ greatest reflex instead of RR

i just think RR has higher upside

where dashes are more consistent

but that's my playstyle in general

[proven lichen]

is there a way to bind rail special/trippy shot to right stick? right stick doesn't do anything otherwise and I feel like it might help with my specials missing cause I'm attempting to move too soon afterwards

[rocky solstice]

hi! im new here, im having a problem- i cant beat ||the eliesum fields bosses, ive tried like several builds and i just CANT get past those two|| so here i am asking for help lmao

[void vigil]

a tip is to kill asterius first so you’re not chased around by the gods while evading him

but what weapon are you using?

[brisk trail]

Yo guys can someone gimme a guanyu spear build

[brisk trail]

Try using acorn ( the keepsake u get from eurydice ) since it gives u a temporary shield for 5 hits, dodging asterius’s attacks are pretty easy since his attacks are pretty slow, and you should also try to hide behind the pillars so you don’t get hit by thesus’s spear

[real bough]

Oh so, stand on business with the furry

[brisk trail]

Asterius ain’t even have fur

[real bough]

the prick is annoying, try to fight the furry somewhere else far away from Prick

[real bough]

spoiler censorship 😔

[rocky solstice]

i can deal with the mino but its the fact that he charges me and then i dash into the open and get railed

[real bough]

The Pricks spear you can jsut

dodge by

walking sideways

[rocky solstice]

speared* cough

[real bough]

huh

never been

speared when dodging furries charge but

wait you do know you can lure Minos charge into a pillar right

[brisk trail]

Wdym

[brisk trail]

Dash through him when he does that

[rocky solstice]

wait, what? i tought it damages you if you do that to bosses

[real bough]

yea that also works

dodge

grants full i frames

[brisk trail]

Yup

[rocky solstice]

i have no call for that fight

[real bough]

call?

I oughtta say

[rocky solstice]

summon?

[brisk trail]

I learnt this since i used to be a deadcells player who would dash through bosses lmao

[real bough]

God's call are

severely overhyped

[rocky solstice]

i like artys

[brisk trail]

Use pos call or ares call, its pretty good

[rocky solstice]

tho i just love arty

[rocky solstice]

i hate pos

[brisk trail]

WHAT

[real bough]

mans boons are

fr strange

but he got

W

sub boons

[brisk trail]

His boons r meant for the ocean lmao, but they still work

Guys whats the rarest fish u can get?

[real bough]

well

you see the

last one on the list?

never got it

yk

its when the surface has a fishing point you actually need to LOCK-IN

[brisk trail]

Ohhh

[rocky solstice]

so, im kinda bad at melee, are melee weapons better?

[brisk trail]

What boons r good for guan yu, is it even good since it legit dropped me to 30 health

[brisk trail]

For me their good, but ur choice

[rocky solstice]

||THANA CAN APPEAR IN ANY LEVEL???||

[brisk trail]

Yes

He doesn’t only appear in elysium lol

[rocky solstice]

do aether nets stack?

[stone rune]

not generally

but all weapons are played like melee weapons

[lavish sorrel]

*correction: first ever thanatos appearance will always be in elysium, but later on he can be anywhere in the first 3 biomes

[lavish sorrel]

Every aspect is ME or soup 😌

[rocky solstice]

i promise you the way i play the bow and gun is different then the shield

[stone rune]

well shield is the most ranged weapon of all the weapons

so i’d expect that

[rocky solstice]

how????

[brisk trail]

Can someone gimme good guan yuspear build

[stone rune]

because cshot

[stone rune]

use special

with a big %

[brisk trail]

Omg arthur aspect is so good

Wahts shield hiddent aspect?

[stone rune]

beowulf

beowulf is the best aspect in the game

arthur is one of the worst

[brisk trail]

How do i get wall scroll dionysus

[brisk trail]

How. It does so much dmg

[real bough]

well

[stone rune]

it does very poor damage

[real bough]

for starters, the enemy attack fx animations are kinda delyaed

i means you gotta pre dodge

like the post dodge iframes are sometimes longer than expected

[stone rune]

this is a lot of damage https://youtu.be/FXwcigljfSQ?si=TX3KFQV_FLwiISLX

arthur does not do that

beowulf does

[real bough]

bro th kinda build

nvm Posei is actually goated wth

[rocky solstice]

made it to cerbie, died in a room

theres fishing in the game?

[void vigil]

yes :) there’s a lot to discover

[lavish sorrel]

[wicked sage]

should i force athena

im about to enter elysium

[rocky solstice]

ok i need like 3 things

1:how do i go fishies?
2:what gods benefit from flat bonuses (and wth are flat bonuses)
3:what gods benefit from percent bonuses (what are % bonuses)

[wicked sage]

1: you need to get a rod of the house contractor
2: idk im stupid too
3: i think it has something to do with status curses, which is damage but delayed

[mint coral]

At the start/end of a chamber you'll hear a ding that indicates a fishing point is there, ingeract with it to start (also yeah need to buy it first)

Flat dmg means a god that adds an extra effect to your attack, like zeus

For example hitting them with a fist attack will both make the fists dmg and then zeus' chain lightning

% gods means gods that upgrade your weapon dmg directly (aphro/artemis/pos/athena/spoiler for you)

[rocky solstice]

||dem??|| ive gotten to the end last year ||never beat hades tho||

so i know SOME of the things, just...not alot

[mint coral]

Ah alright then

Yeah dem is the other one

[rocky solstice]

when do i unlock her?

[mint coral]

Reach the final boss

[rocky solstice]

youre actually killing me

[wicked sage]

you must have gotten her already

since you reached the final boss

[rocky solstice]

new save

[wicked sage]

e

[mint coral]

Also for this on when to use what
Weak but fast hit = go flat dmg
Slow, higher base dmg = %

[rocky solstice]

so i use the gun and bow, gun id benefit from ares,zeus, dio my boi

[mint coral]

For example fists/rail attack if they get a +50% dmg increase their attack barely goes to 23/15

Adding zeus double your dmg output and then allow to benefit from his other boons

[rocky solstice]

bow is the opposite

[mint coral]

Namely static discharge

[mint coral]

You got it

[mint coral]

Also ares is a bit more specific

[rocky solstice]

hmmm, wait then shouldnt with the gun i use the status mirror and not the gods one

[mint coral]

You kinda need his duo boon with athena to make good use from doom

[mint coral]

Nah just keep fam favs

[brisk trail]

If tight deadline ends do u die

[mint coral]

Unless your build has access to 2 curses asap, don't bother with priv status

[mint coral]

5 dmg/s

[wicked sage]

yeah

is it too late to force athena

[brisk trail]

Ohh

[wicked sage]

im in elysium

[brisk trail]

When i was fighting hades i managed to win just the moment tight deadline ended, was super lucky fr

[mint coral]

What's your god pool/build/heat

Chances are that is probably just better to stick to acorn/alikes

[rocky solstice]

so wait, i was told dont go athen ares

but if im going ares i need it?

for fast atk

[wicked sage]

the lightning phalanx build (without the phalanx shot, of course)

[mint coral]

(this makes it so basically anything that's not bow can run the duo and use doom well lmao)

[mint coral]

His duo with athena makes it so deflect drops doom instantly, so basically all weapons bar bow can end up using it

Doom rail is kinda annoying tho

[rocky solstice]

hold on ive been using the opposite of that one

doom stacks but takes longer to hit its good for fast attacks?

[mint coral]

Basically all weapons that try and run it, go ares attack, athena special (unlocks the duo) then add divine dash so you can just dash strike to apply doom and instant proc

[mint coral]

Doom stacking is kinda eh but if you aren't getting merciful end (ME) it has more value ig

Impending doom is often paired with ME as you remove the extra drop time downside

So you end up with a free dmg boost

[rocky solstice]

but the drop time allows more stacking time, does the stacking not do that good

[mint coral]

Yeah not that good

Cuz you need to wait for it to drop to do dmg and then re apply doom again

[rocky solstice]

im....not smart enough for this

[mint coral]

Smth like zeus + static discharge (enemies are hit by lightning after attacking) could work multiple times in the time it takes doom to drop

[rocky solstice]

and do better damage?

[mint coral]

Keep in mind this is more in check with the "dps is the best defense" lol

I've seen people turtle their way out by like shield special + doom

And poke the final boss to deatj

[mint coral]

In short yeah

That's why ME is such a game changer

[rocky solstice]

ive only gotten the final boss to the 2nd stage

never killed

[mint coral]

Basically every dash strike becomes a 200~ attack assuming you have some buffs to doom

[rocky solstice]

BC THEY HAD SOME BS MOVE that i dont remember and it obliterated me

[mint coral]

Wouldn't surprise me if it was the lasers or the cast shockwaves

[rocky solstice]

LASER!!!

[brisk trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329403875117236225/1222850048577114192/IMG_3910.png?ex=6617b6db&is=660541db&hm=52f8e0dd35859c5eeaf4104254bd74c19591fcc60889553c3ad15d804450b530& what do i need to buy from the contractor for this?

[rocky solstice]

YOU HAD TO SAY IT BUT YEAH IT WAS THE LASER

[mint coral]

The tell for the attack is he starts spinning his spear around him

[brisk trail]

Hide behind snow pillar fr, ( how does a rock withstand a whole ass laser )

[mint coral]

Check the wiki just in case but it was like 30 items total? And needing one to be a rug among a few things

Mainly repairing the lounge from cerb dmg

[rocky solstice]

FIRST TIME i got him down and took my hands off the MnK and then he literally like insta killed me with it and i was MAD

[wicked sage]

LEAVING ELYSIUM 6.38.98, WISH ME LUCK ON MY FIRST SUB 10

[mint coral]

Oh wait

You got hit by the shockwave lmao

Yeah he does that

He's funny

[mint coral]

You got this

Is this modded or nah

[rocky solstice]

IT WASNT FUNNY I WAS CRYING it was legit 6-7 hours of just playing

[mint coral]

Ouch

In my case I fully knew that was a thing and still got hit by it

Also got killed

[rocky solstice]

i need to like get in a call and do a run with someone being like "this is the correct choice for xyz"

[mint coral]

You can just pst here for that tbh

If it's not me someone else will be around for that

[wicked sage]

lads

THIS IS THE MOMENT

brb gotta destroy dad

[rocky solstice]

orange and black my friend, orange and black

[wicked sage]

OMG

SUB 10

[rocky solstice]

eyyyyyyy

[wicked sage]

FINALLY

[rocky solstice]

idk what that means but ur GOATEDDDDD

[wicked sage]

i finished a run in under 10 minutes

[rocky solstice]

Whys this something people want to do? (and god darn thats insane)

[mint coral]

Is a fun challenge

[wicked sage]

now i can focus on other stuff

[mint coral]

And a good milestone for speedrunning

[rocky solstice]

noted

well congrats thats absolutely crazy

[mint coral]

Now for sub 9 :croven:

[wicked sage]

actually i was quite close to a sub 9

3 seconds

[mint coral]

Just a timesave away

[wicked sage]

ye 😦

had some godly rng

woah lyre new sound

[rocky solstice]

?? a what

[mint coral]

You can buy your own lyre later on

[rocky solstice]

WHAT

[wicked sage]

yup

was that in need of a spoiler in some way

[rocky solstice]

im finding out baout so much

aight ima go play some OW now, see yall later

[mint coral]

I mean, in this channel nothing is

[wicked sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985744666219655248/1222856289642745917/image.png?ex=6617bcab&is=660547ab&hm=f6ae183c086ac07d94a67111fb4c6f5b48f466b6246cb6e9524aa9dbf5b9bf43& we do a little trolling

[real bough]

yo can someone explain to me

dodging

cuz I feel like its delayed

and also the enemies attack animation

especially pops

animations

it kinda delayed ngl

[tepid light]

kind of a hard thing to explain

depends on the exact timing and the enemy in question

[rustic vale]

Speed

Win fast feel accomplished

[lavish sorrel]

Small number 😌

[rustic vale]

Hi AlexCA I’m so good at putting full messages into one message now, isn’t that just so cool? Like I could send 5 messages like normal or put it all into one message

[tepid light]

LMAO

[brisk trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329403875117236225/1222875950962839612/IMG_3911.png?ex=6617cefa&is=660559fa&hm=e1e731be5d8474a3491c07e10b5d85f422a5a71dcfda386b3370d905bc47a317& i spent 3 diamonds for ts…

Can i refund

[rose roost]

nope

[barren bridge]

yall pick me a build to play

[mint coral]

Yoyo talos

[sour fog]

you can if you did not leave the room yet

if you quit it will put you at your save which is taken when you enter a room

[fervent radish]

Got it

[barren bridge]

intresting

[brisk trail]

Tysm

[brisk trail]

Can anyone recommend me a hunting blades spear build

[last veldt]

Damn you hell mode super Dad (FO+EM4)!

Achilles spear and hunting blades. I mean that's the build.

I mean hunting blades is the build.

Then just whatever you can find to buff it (vicious cycle, pressure points etc.)

[real bough]

woah, thats a whole lotta messages

too bad I aint reading none of em

[brisk trail]

............

[real bough]

can anyone tell me why locked-in Zagreus looks so funny

[brisk trail]

Can someone gimme good zag sword build

[fervent radish]

Tidal dash

Look for double edge, big % on attack, crit, and dashes

[mint coral]

Can do ME too

[chilly zephyr]

Why are half the unlockable weapons so dogPOO

[upper wolf]

skill issue

which ones do you dislike ?

[chilly zephyr]

The sword

The gun is always op, the bow is better

But the unupgraded spear just so easily HECK you over

Having a great run and suddenly a dual-boon area and you lose 3 lives within 5 seconds 😄

[upper wolf]

spear is kinda bad yes

you need good hammers for it to be playable

mainly exploding launcher or flurry jab

[chilly zephyr]

Doing a spearrun now, get chaosgate on 1st door and can't enter. pain

[mint coral]

Is this gy lvl 1

[chilly zephyr]

Iunno I have around 1/3rd completionrate on hellmode at 70 runs or so

Highest at 32bounty

But most weapons are only at like 6-8bounty so I haven't been able to upgrade any weapon's 4

[fervent radish]

Don’t take trials idk

[chilly zephyr]

NEVER!

I HECKING hate the solo bull

His godamned charge is so weird, sometimes he just ignores the pillar and runs past it, sometimes he easily rams into it

[fiery pecan]

You can only get one interaction with chaos per run? generally the second chaos gate I take he wont appear

[chilly zephyr]

Nah you can get more than 1

[fervent radish]

You can get so many

[steep condor]

you can get more chaos gates, but you'll only talk to him one time. same with the other gods, usually

[fervent radish]

^

[steep condor]

them

i misgendered chaos. i hate myself