#h1-discussion

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brisk trail
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So which one guard ??

mint coral
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ferocious guard means that if you block an attack you get a dmg buff

brisk trail
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Sorry for the questions

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Gotcha so block alot gotcha

proper tusk
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blocking is v good

brisk trail
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šŸ˜‡

gentle venture
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yknow
ive been playing this game for so long and always forget to use the shield to block

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DONT be like me

fervent radish
gentle venture
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for the record, it can block some crazy stuff you wouldnt expect it to be able to

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like lasers

brisk trail
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Haha gotcha thanks everyone

fervent radish
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Ferocious guard I usually take as second if itā€™s offered as kinda supplemental damage

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But 20% isnā€™t huge

brisk trail
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||I need 4 more runs to finish story I believe than I can play around with builds tbh ||

fervent radish
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Fair

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Take your time

proven lichen
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also cool hot tip, take a weapon which you're not very good at for the 10th run, for no particular reason, just trust me

mint coral
gentle venture
mint coral
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I used to like fer guard a lot more cuz of the speed

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until I learned that multiple temporal sources don't stack

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lmao

fervent radish
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Interesting, I didnā€™t know that

gentle venture
mint coral
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yeah only highest speed applies

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so hyper sprint just reigns over everything

fervent radish
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Yeah

mint coral
fervent radish
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Cool that ichors still stack lol

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Seeded would be in shambles otherwise

gentle venture
mint coral
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speedruns

fervent radish
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It increases your damage

gentle venture
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Ive tried it with little to no success

mint coral
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gives +100% dmg for its duration

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also clears boiling blood/poison surprisingly

gentle venture
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right

gentle venture
mint coral
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and can delay dad's darkness move

mint coral
brisk trail
mint coral
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tho may need to double check the boiling blood

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been a while

fervent radish
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Do all calls do that?

mint coral
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nope

gentle venture
fervent radish
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I c

proven lichen
mint coral
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at most they'd make you avoid poison dmg for the few moments of invincibility

fervent radish
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Yeah

brisk trail
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RN it's just the shield and bow I haven't cleared with yet

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My least fave is the rail gun

mint coral
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just w/o windup so have fun if you cancelled a spin

fervent radish
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Itā€™s ok, EM4 practice

proven lichen
gentle venture
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for my 10th

mint coral
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but yeah sigil of the dad is just to kill stuff faster

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you are better staying with acorn most of the time

brisk trail
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I love the bow I just hate how slow it is

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And you guys said for the 10th run correct

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I need to keep track lol

gentle venture
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10th successful escape, use whatever you havent done yet, yes

mint coral
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using your 10th escape for the hidden spear prophecy is ideal if you don't like it

gentle venture
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if you have the records office available, you can check your clears
i dont remember what exactly triggers the unlock of that

brisk trail
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I unlocked the spear Achilles gave me the prophecy

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IDK how I trigged it tho

gentle venture
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i hate that spear

brisk trail
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Haha really ?

mint coral
brisk trail
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I unlocked the records office

gentle venture
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guan yu isnā€™t my cup of tea

mint coral
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then just dialogue from achilles

gentle venture
brisk trail
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I'll have to check after

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I'm on fornite now šŸ˜‚

gentle venture
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a lot of people donā€™t like the one for the fists, but i love it, so maybe someone who hasnā€™t experienced it yet will see what i see in it

brisk trail
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The first are fun and fast

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Tbh

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I personally like all but the gym

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Gun

mint coral
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gun kinda fists but better

gentle venture
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the fists are probably my favorite, shield second, then spear, sword, bow, and then gun

brisk trail
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Haha

oak beacon
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Had a dream a few nights ago I was playing Hades again so I think that's my brain telling me I need to do another run thanthink

gentle venture
oak beacon
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Zagreus morphed into this weird limbless worm thingy for some reason and like couldn't attack at all for a few secs šŸ˜­

gentle venture
oak beacon
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New debuff idea

fervent radish
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Dune moment

mint coral
gentle venture
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My first clear was with the railgun, but other than like once or twice, i havent had a lot of luck with trying it again

oak beacon
gentle venture
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Really surprised the concept of memento mori isnt brought up at all in hades, but i suppose thats because its a different cultureā€™s saying

oak beacon
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I got the platinum a couple months ago after playing almost nothing but Hades for like 120+ hours so I need my fix residentzag

gentle venture
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i mean you could always start over

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personally i have a second save that has god mode on from the start to mess around in

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But i still have a lot of work to do on my main save

oak beacon
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True I might do that to some extent but I also don't wanna overindulge in Hades gameplay too much with the sequel (hopefully) being out soon

brisk trail
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Is the platinum hard ??

gentle venture
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Judging by the fact you said platinum, I think we have a while

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I dont think consoles will get it until final build

brisk trail
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Rn I wanna focus on beating the game rn I need to get fynx rising when it goes on sale

gentle venture
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Early access on pc, sorta soon though

gentle venture
mint coral
brisk trail
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Like get the credits haha

mint coral
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keepsakes farming ron

brisk trail
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I keep skully tooth at all times thhh

gentle venture
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But FINAL final credits?

brisk trail
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I'm on 6 I think

gentle venture
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more than that

mint coral
oak beacon
# brisk trail Is the platinum hard ??

Imo not very, it's just very tedious bc a lot of the quest fulfillments require you to do multiple runs to exhaust the dialogue and stuff to complete them. Some of the hardest things you have to do for it include getting the plume feather and Than's butterfly to a certain threshold, and beating Thesues + Asterius with Extreme Measures

oak beacon
gentle venture
brisk trail
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Rn I wanna reach 10 escapes haha

mint coral
brisk trail
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I can spend so so many hours in Hades

gentle venture
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it could TECHNICALLY be done fast, but youā€™d need to figure out a way to get only necessary dialogue and stuff

mint coral
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yeah epilogue is gonna take a while no matter what

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best you can do is like, avoid aphro? as one of the gods to max

gentle venture
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without getting too spoilery- true ending is full friendship with most characters

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thats nectar and ambrosia for a large amount of the cast

mint coral
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ambrosia shouldn't be too bad?

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most gods only need 1 ambrosia

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you get more than that just by getting to the credits

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nectar would be annoying tho

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need 6 per god

oak beacon
brisk trail
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That's fine šŸ˜Š

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I'm on run 6 so I'm close

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Than I can take my time with Hades hahab

mint coral
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like yeah tooth isn't a bad keepsake by any means

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but also needs to fight with acorn

oak beacon
brisk trail
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I'm in escape 38 with god mode

gentle venture
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I havenā€™t dabbled too much with god mode

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Always wondered how much it really changes the game at high percentages

mint coral
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you get to face tank a lot ig

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and HL5 becomes HL1

fervent radish
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Worse

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Base damage is 100%

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HL5 is 200%

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God mode HL0 is 20%

brisk trail
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So is that bad ??

fervent radish
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God mode HL2 is 40%

fervent radish
fervent radish
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esp in the context of high heat, where the point is to make the game more dangerous

void vigil
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god more goes up to 80% damage reduction but honestly I personally feel like I can face tank a lot without it too

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With 3 death defiances and like 200 something hp itā€™s pretty easy for me, but then again, I played for like 600 hours

fervent radish
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i'm sure yeah

brisk trail
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I'm using god mode since I don't have much time to play tbh

void vigil
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Thatā€™s fair, plenty of reasons to use it

brisk trail
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More interested in story also

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XD

fervent radish
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fair yeah

brisk trail
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I'll probably turn it off once my 10th run is done

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No rush for Hades after that tbh

void vigil
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I was also very interested in the story over gameplay at first but then I realized the gameplay is really fun

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So I played itā€¦. A lotā€¦..

brisk trail
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It's definitely fun haha I can see myself keeping busy with it

fervent radish
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I have played p much nothing but hades for the last few months

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so replayable

brisk trail
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Finally bought it this year I love Greek mythology but I didn't think I liked it since a rouglike game

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Haha šŸ˜†

mint coral
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I want to replay the story sometimes then I get faced with no mirror gameplay for a while and is residentzag

fervent radish
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ff moment

mint coral
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FF I at least go into it with the fact of no mirror

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just replaying just feels sluggish

fervent radish
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ah

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yeah

brisk trail
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Ff??

mint coral
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fresh file

void vigil
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Yeah I feel like a full replay is way tougher than it would be to fully replay other supergiant games

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Because stuff gets out of order when you go too fast since you already know how to play well, and itā€™s a lot of story!

mint coral
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technically a category to win as fast from a new savefile but most people just treat it as to try and get a win on run 1

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which is a whole different beast to normal gameplay

brisk trail
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Gotcha šŸ˜Š

fervent radish
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other than like fftc or low% theres not like rewarding things to start a new file for

mint coral
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mono dash sword/no skips/mirrorless/limited gods/etc

brisk trail
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RN I'm focusing on beating the game 4 more times and giving everyone nectar

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So I'm not too overwhelmed

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It's can be so overwhelming

fervent radish
void vigil
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Yeah not a lot of missable dialogue if you go for everything

fervent radish
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ye

void vigil
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just ||variations to first romance dialogues||

fervent radish
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didn't know that

mint coral
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I've done run 3 at most for FF

void vigil
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Yeah I mean if you turn down or agree

mint coral
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cshot athena strike

void vigil
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Itā€™s different dialogue of course

fervent radish
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ohh right

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what do they say if you decline lol

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welp

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@void vigil

mint coral
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how did that went through dino

fervent radish
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great question

void vigil
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Holy moly

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And I was just about to sleep

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Pings everywhere

latent moon
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lmao i saw the messages and was like "damn"

void vigil
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In every channel too

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Usually itā€™s in just a few

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Maybe dyno was so overwhelmed it didnā€™t react LOL

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Anyway, goodnight to me, donā€™t click any suspicious server spam invites yā€™all

toxic trellis
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Goodnight, take care, and weā€™ll be sure not to

gentle venture
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Has anybody else started hades mobile?

oak beacon
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I don't even use Apple but I was hype when I found out that was a thing

mint coral
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@fervent radishdo you have the epic boon start mod link at hand

fervent radish
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yeah i'll dm if thats cool

mint coral
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please šŸ™

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about to get carried

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ignore pact idk how to play this thing

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I got trials armored numbskulls

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help

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carried by phalanx deflect

keen mortar
alpine garden
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Is there a guide on what power ups each weapon should look for

gentle venture
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yes, this server

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jk, probably somewhere

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iā€™m newer here

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But Genuinely everybodyā€™s here to help

mint coral
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for specific builds you can use the codex upgrade to see what boon synergizes with what or refer to #h1-builds-and-combat pins

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there's a website pinned which goes in detail for a few builds/optimal mirror what not

gentle venture
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If you want a much less professional answer, throw anything at the wall to see what sticks my guy

mint coral
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I mean, you can do that but with some planning behind it

gentle venture
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Its not always a matter of what should work, itā€™s more often a matter of what CAN work

mint coral
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my first win was looking at blizzard shot in the codex, thinking it sounded cool and went for it

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if you want some more rng for your builds you can always start shackle/coin purse and see where it leads to

mint coral
gentle venture
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what does blessing of bouldy actually do?

mint coral
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I shouldn't reroll just for the funny delivery...

mint coral
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1%-10%

gentle venture
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Good to know

mint coral
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or the amazing ambiguity at 2%

fervent radish
mint coral
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reroll into sprint I mean

fervent radish
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Oh ye

mint coral
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this is just a rando run after I lost zaglol

fervent radish
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Dashes is probably the choice idk

mint coral
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yeah I just took them

gentle venture
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hate (love) to keep bringing it up but those extra dashes are REALLY funny on gilgamesh

mint coral
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lmao

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zeus midshop into keepsake zeus

fervent radish
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Lmao

gentle venture
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Ive never understood the benefit of smoldering air

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thats just worse, isnt it?

fervent radish
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Nope

mint coral
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smaller calls are better

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outside of aphro/arte

fervent radish
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Very few situations in which youll charge faster than that

gentle venture
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well yeah but why have just one when i can have more

fervent radish
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And you can gain call charge passively

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Flexibility for iframes

mint coral
fervent radish
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Also you donā€™t necessarily want to just blow your whole load in one go

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Bc then youā€™re left with no iframes

gentle venture
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Oh i forgot it auto gens

mint coral
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especially good if your weapon sucks at call charging

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(rama is ok but I don't have an special boon rn so lol)

gentle venture
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but theres a hermes boon that does that anyway, right? Or is that someone else

mint coral
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quick favor is just way weaker

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and there's better stuff from hermes

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namely dashes or sprint into rush delivery

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often one avoids taking a call before hermes

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to not have second wind/quick favor in the pool

gentle venture
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Remind me, hermes DOES count for family favorite, yeah?

mint coral
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yeah

mint coral
gentle venture
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oh wow thats pretty good

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but again
four is bigger than one

mint coral
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and is not like epic hermes boons are easy to come by

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due to his reduced rarity

fervent radish
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Aphro and arty are the main ones you want full call, but stuff like Zeus and dio are best spammed on cooldown or used for iframes

mint coral
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aphro can also be funny with lesser call spamming

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add a few poms so boss charming actually does smth

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arte's lesser call is just true shot

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but higher crit chance

gentle venture
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i love true shot

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I just always figured that the fully charged ones meant way better

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like why do five seconds of massive lightning when i could do like 10

mint coral
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another argument vs greater calls is the hp gates

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timing one wrong and rip all of your call

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or dad's darkness

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also smair means you get a lot of value of calls on normal encounters

keen mortar
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normal encounters count for a lot really, doesn't matter what dps you have if u walk into hades with 50 hp and no dds

gentle venture
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Kinda wanna go a whole run using it but I donā€™t know if iā€™d rather have invisibility or acorn

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for hades himself i mean

mint coral
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acorn is the call most of the time really

gentle venture
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Its been my go to for a while now

mint coral
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dad call is funny if you want more dmg

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but the safety is just really, really good

gentle venture
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I usually do god keepsakes for tart and aspho, broken spearhead for elysium

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and acorn for dad

brazen rose
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What are your favourite gods or god for boons

gentle venture
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Dionysus, i cant name a bad one really other than festive fog, but thats my preference

mint coral
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zeus I'd say

waxen umbra
mint coral
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or hermes

gentle venture
brazen rose
gentle venture
waxen umbra
gentle venture
gentle venture
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if im planning that far ahead

waxen umbra
brazen rose
gentle venture
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I call gilgamesh the paper shredder, and artemis is part of the reason why

waxen umbra
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Artemis' max call is probably one of the best

mint coral
brazen rose
mint coral
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screw this time to bring out the nuke (beo)

waxen umbra
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Artemis could probably oneshot bosses if it wasn't for invincibility between phases

mint coral
gentle venture
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Has anybody tried artemis on cast AND attack on beo?

mint coral
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is one of the worsts I'd say

waxen umbra
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How so?

mint coral
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but at least she has a call not like ares

brazen rose
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What are your opinions on Aphroditeā€™s boons?

Iā€™d say her boons suck but I havenā€™t used them in awhile

gentle venture
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I used to think that

mint coral
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no use on normal rooms

waxen umbra
proper tusk
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athena has a call that does damage

gentle venture
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But invincibility is pretty cool

mint coral
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athena's is top 3

proper tusk
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the damage is your normal damage from the build you put together to do damage

mint coral
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cuz ares call dmg sucks lol

mint coral
waxen umbra
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If you like the invincibility why not go for poseidon

brazen rose
proper tusk
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instead of some bad spinny wheel thing that disables your attack

proper tusk
gentle venture
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correction, IS your attack

proper tusk
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turns off your attacks

mint coral
proper tusk
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poseidon is nice but ideally your build does better damage than poseidon/ares call damage

waxen umbra
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Ah

proper tusk
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so athena is better

waxen umbra
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Poseidon call would probably be worth it if you were going for a build with lots of poseidon boons though

proper tusk
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if your build is bad poseidon call is great

mint coral
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pos is still nice as a get away tbh

proper tusk
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which is why poseidon call carried me in like all of my first 20 clears lol

mint coral
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if only rip current wasn't annoying to get

waxen umbra
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Demeter call is one of my favourites

gentle venture
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Poseidon is probably my least used god to be honest

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It used to be aphro

mint coral
waxen umbra
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Easy privelledged status, huge aoe and duration at max meter and combos with some of demeter's other boons

brazen rose
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What are your favourite gods as in like character wise

Dionysus is one of my favourites, I love that him and Zagreus act like brothers

mint coral
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hermes

gentle venture
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Oh him and ares

brazen rose
gentle venture
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and i love the slightly bashful respect artemis brings to the table

waxen umbra
mint coral
waxen umbra
brazen rose
waxen umbra
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Can't build a home in the forest without legal issues these days, so kit out a van and drive it to the forest instead!

brazen rose
waxen umbra
mint coral
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chaos' would be my fav god design wise I think

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or dad himself

brazen rose
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The character designs for all the gods are super good

waxen umbra
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I wonder if hermes is talking to zagreus or just talking to the player directly

gentle venture
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both

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he has dialogue to ask you if you want to skip his dialogue bruh

mint coral
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depends on the dialogue

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he also mentions turning on the in game timer

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or if you beat your PB (iirc)

waxen umbra
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And he mentions turning off the timer too

gentle venture
waxen umbra
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And if you're carrying a god keepsake

latent moon
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well for lernie at least

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i sold it twice that run

mint coral
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lmao

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big croven

waxen umbra
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Would ares' call be affected by hunting blades and that boon that makes blade vortrxes larger?

latent moon
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blades no

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the other one uh

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idk prob

gentle venture
latent moon
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never considered it tbh but it wouldn't really solve the problem of ares call lmao

gentle venture
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its pretty big

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that one with the one that draws them in also is great

waxen umbra
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Athena's call makes attacking completely risk-free so I guess it would be hard for other invincibility calls to outperform

latent moon
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for invincibility calls, the ranking is athena > pos >>>> ares

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pos is actually pretty solid since it gives you movement and decent damage for 1-2 hits

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so you can just drive by stuff

waxen umbra
mint coral
latent moon
mint coral
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what are the bets on hermes

latent moon
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what bulid is that

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dio beo?

mint coral
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ye

gentle venture
mint coral
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with bets I mean if he's gonna collaborate

latent moon
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you're gonna get swift strike and side hustle

mint coral
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lmao arty at end shop

waxen umbra
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Poseidon call could be quite strong if you got razor shoals, pos legendary, pos/zeus duo, double strike, high voltage and zeus legendary

mint coral
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wouldn't do much actually

latent moon
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rip current is more important than any of that lmao

mint coral
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unless like greater call

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and then you have to mind hp gates

mint coral
waxen umbra
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Also i just realised that getting all of that requires a ton of luck

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You could just use zeus call with 1 less legendary and no duo required

latent moon
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yeah

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zeus call good

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actually kills things

mint coral
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mirage/hunter's mark

latent moon
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yeah

mint coral
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fully loaded incoming!!

latent moon
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doesnt open up any other duos either so you're chilling

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based

mint coral
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(I have 0 pre reqs)

latent moon
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just dont take nasty dash and you'll be fine

fervent radish
mint coral
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em4 hl5 fo2 td3

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lost 2 runs in a row so I just want to nuke dad now

waxen umbra
fervent radish
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Oh fair lol

mint coral
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heroics is only swap/ambrosia delight/rare crop

fervent radish
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You canā€™t get natural heroics

mint coral
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all that ea does is making the epic roll succeed all the time

waxen umbra
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So, what would happen instead?

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Is the nectar wasted?

mint coral
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you'd still get the duos/legendary buff at least

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but yeah kinda a waste

latent moon
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but also if you're running beo that's still the best choice lmao

mint coral
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mirage obtained

latent moon
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for hermes and duo chance

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oh nvm just hermes then

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wait no

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yeah hermes doesnt matter lmao

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big brain

mint coral
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do I gamble for heroic flare lmao

latent moon
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uh

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that resets damage iirc

mint coral
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wait what

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like through eury

latent moon
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yeah

mint coral
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or is crop being funny again

latent moon
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well like

mint coral
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whyyyyy

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I hate this weapon

latent moon
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it makes sense if you think about it

mint coral
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/pos

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wait

waxen umbra
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The question I have is what things would actually go well with both poseidon and dionysus boons? Wouldn't want to fill half of my god pool just for more epic boons.

latent moon
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the game says "oh you have lvl 4 epic, let's make that lvl 4 heroic" so it gives you the correct value it's supposed to be, not the bugged pom upgrades

fervent radish
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Nothing?

latent moon
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i'm like 75% sure that's how that works

fervent radish
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I guess maybe if you were looking for dio duos

mint coral
gentle venture
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I mean dio has pretty damn good boons

mint coral
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did I just rekt my dmg here then lmfao

latent moon
gentle venture
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Correction, the best boons

latent moon
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but that's not your damage core

fervent radish
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On eris maybe lol

latent moon
waxen umbra
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Do poseidon's extra rewards boons let you get the duo?

mint coral
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nope

gentle venture
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Nope

mint coral
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they'd open the fishing legendary

latent moon
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bc like dio beo doesnt need the pom bug to nuke if you have mirage, rd, and ichors

gentle venture
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Gotta be a core

waxen umbra
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Ah

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I guess you could use a fast weapon for hangover and poseidon cast because why not

gentle venture
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Like you cant get aphro and dioā€™s duo just from having the revenge weak boon

mint coral
#

you can get ares-dio duo like that tho

#

ares vengeance works

#

also first time I notice the trippy flare sfx

#

wacky

waxen umbra
#

One boon I think is underrated is aphro's death explosion boon, dying lament

mint coral
#

dying lament my beloved

waxen umbra
#

It's very helpful for things like the rat spam at styx

mint coral
#

lmfao big medusa got 2 shotted

waxen umbra
#

I think it can also one-shot flame wheels but i'm not sure

mint coral
#

how much dmg it is again

#

I think base cast kills them too

waxen umbra
#

I'll have to check the wiki

mint coral
#

or base cast + high confidence which is 62

#

72-80 at epic

rustic vale
#

Epic base cast?

waxen umbra
#

Ok so a common dying lament is 40 damage

mint coral
#

would need rare + some global dmg or whatver + pom

mint coral
#

base cast as in zag's

waxen umbra
#

Flame wheel has 60hp and 60 armour, whatever that means

gentle venture
#

Basically 120 health

mint coral
#

how much is lament's first pom anyways

waxen umbra
rustic vale
#

so

#

itā€™s not that youā€™d need 120 damage

#

youā€™d need 60 twice against armoured ones

waxen umbra
gentle venture
#

but theyā€™ll ALWAYS be armored

#

until you get rid of it

rustic vale
#

No

#

Iā€™ve had

#

Unarmoured flamewheels

waxen umbra
#

A rare/epic dying lament will kill unarmoured flame wheels

rustic vale
#

they arenā€™t automatically armoured

#

iirc

gentle venture
#

Now I donā€™t know

#

Wait, itā€™s possible that youā€™re right because arenā€™t the armored ones also like slightly bigger

waxen umbra
#

I think they are

mint coral
#

iirc it has variance

waxen umbra
mint coral
#

gamble?

#

I have sprint

gentle venture
#

what else

#

do you have

latent moon
gentle venture
#

oh what weapon too

mint coral
#

punished

latent moon
#

Rip

mint coral
#

the gamble was for epic rd

rustic vale
waxen umbra
#

Fact: 95% of gamblers quit just before they hit big

latent moon
#

(generally)

waxen umbra
latent moon
#

dashes is good for ME

rustic vale
mint coral
latent moon
waxen umbra
#

Oh, right

rustic vale
#

Trippy = stgyian soul

waxen umbra
#

I wonder if hades 2 will have something like dying lament

#

At this point corpse explosion is basically a requirement for roguelikes

mint coral
#

depends how much they change the already seen gods ig

gentle venture
#

i hope we keep at least a couple of the existing gods

#

Iā€™d hate to see a full reset

waxen umbra
#

Perhaps we might even get boons from cythonic gods since hades 2 seems to start on the surface

proper tusk
#

surely they canā€™t just not include 90% of olympus

mint coral
rustic vale
#

they could

mint coral
#

cuz like we already saw zeus

rustic vale
#

just grab the other gods

#

not that hard

gentle venture
#

I think it wouldā€™ve been interesting if we couldā€™ve gotten boons from Hades

rustic vale
#

we can

#

but it's just

#

boon

waxen umbra
mint coral
#

also "from more than a dozen olympian gods" is still in the steam description

mint coral
gentle venture
#

Well we dont get any from hephestus, hestia, or apollo in this game

waxen umbra
#

Zagreus boons for free death defiances

gentle venture
#

and apollo is confirmed in, right?

waxen umbra
#

Yes, he's in the trailer

gentle venture
#

I hope zag takes thanā€™s spot

waxen umbra
#

Nah zag and than show up together

gentle venture
#

or that hes just playable again, after main story

gentle venture
#

either that or a hypnotized zag and than boss fight similar to theseus and asterius

waxen umbra
#

Or maybe it can be like the furies fight where you get either one randomly

gentle venture
mint coral
#

@latent moon do I roll styx well or gamble on styx hermes showing up

gentle venture
#

Roll

waxen umbra
#

Bow and rail users would be seething

latent moon
#

and how many rolls

gentle venture
#

Bow is cool and all, but rail, we can totally do without

mint coral
#

371 1 roll

waxen umbra
latent moon
#

do you have any existing well items rn

latent moon
mint coral
#

bought braid now, stone 9 chambers left

latent moon
#

i'd gamble on hermes tbh

#

50/50 is higher odds

waxen umbra
mint coral
#

should I dad call

latent moon
#

mm

#

probably

mint coral
#

9 chambers stone does last to dad right

waxen umbra
#

Is the main fire for rail actually useful or is special spam just better?

latent moon
#

8 combats max in styx

mint coral
#

really useful but special becomes your main dmg with good hammers

gentle venture
mint coral
#

hermes is here

latent moon
#

gamer

mint coral
latent moon
#

75% damage boost on jolted is massive

waxen umbra
gentle venture
#

Yuh

mint coral
#

that's hestia

#

eris is stand on explosion = dmg buff

gentle venture
#

ignore me im half aslep

#

i get those switched up in my head

waxen umbra
#

And on lucifer you use the main attack to blow up the special

latent moon
#

yeah

#

and also jolted

mint coral
#

never punished

latent moon
#

FREE

#

oh

mint coral
#

damn it

latent moon
#

get dynoed

#

here i got you

#

wait nvm i dont have the link

gentle venture
latent moon
#

zeus atk makes it a lot easier

mint coral
#

there it is

latent moon
#

gamer

mint coral
#

:croven:

waxen umbra
latent moon
#

does support fire even target those things

waxen umbra
#

I doubt it

#

I guess you could use demeter call to make an area where all lucifer specials are immediately triggered

fervent radish
#

I

#

Thatā€™s a way to play the game

#

Iā€™ll do you one better. Get Poseidon call so you can play Mario kart and try to hit the specials

gentle venture
#

i used to not understand how to use luciferā€™s special without turning off aim assist and then yall told me ā€œbruh just damage dash through emā€

mint coral
#

I love trippy beo

latent moon
#

12052 god damn

mint coral
#

oh wait

#

this was bouldy +7% speed lmao

#

forgot to pin it

latent moon
#

mega gamer

#

free 14% additive

mint coral
#

there

#

bouldy carry

waxen umbra
#

Lucifer special bumper cars

rustic vale
waxen umbra
#

The biggest brain play: trigger lucifer's specials with reflected enemy projectiles

rustic vale
#

Biggest brain triggers luci specials with holy shieldd

fervent radish
#

Even bigger: trigger with revenge lightning

rustic vale
#

Revenge lightning is easier

fervent radish
#

true

waxen umbra
#

Trigger it with the zeus legendary projectile created from the thunder of a near-miss dash

rustic vale
#

It has big aoe

fervent radish
#

wait that's pretty big brain

#

trigger with splitting has to be the hardest

mint coral
rustic vale
#

trigger it with jolted

#

šŸ§ 

waxen umbra
#

Trigger it with bouldy

rustic vale
mint coral
#

I need to get the victory screenshot

latent moon
#

yeah i was gonna say

#

although like

waxen umbra
proper tusk
latent moon
#

3 lvl difference and 1 braid shouldn't hit 5k more lmfao

#

we can also just ask speedcord about that

latent moon
proper tusk
#

donā€™t answer that

latent moon
#

lmao

proper tusk
#

i forgor about the shop booth thing in the back

#

i was wondering why the administrative chamber had a hermes boon in it

waxen umbra
#

Hermes left the boon behind after delivering a letter to hades from ares (it's a pipe bomb)

mint coral
waxen umbra
#

I think ares would be the most likely god to put a pipe bomb in your mail

latent moon
#

so you're missing 75% additive basically

#

i dont think that's 5k damage lmao

#

wait dad call

#

you didnt have dad call in the heroic flare clip

proven lichen
#

I just realized, the heat system brings you down a lot, it can deal every sort of abuse against you, it can remove your mirror upgrades and everything, get you back to basically fresh-file status and worse. But the one thing that no heat condition does is remove or even nerf your keepsakes or companions.

#

There's some kind of poetry in that. Nothing can take away the relationships you make

latent moon
#

ap technically nerfs keepsakes lol

#

well god ones

#

but yeah that's neat

proven lichen
#

very indirectly but sure lmao

proper tusk
#

lasting consequences nerfs the feather duster

proven lichen
#

ah right okay well dusa sucks anyway

mint coral
proven lichen
#

nyx was right & you know it

mint coral
#

Dayum

desert tundra
#

living up to the naive in their name

keen mortar
#

just got to the point where i saw hades entire wardrobe of just capes lmao

#

insane foreshadowing

wicked sage
#

if i remove a god from a already full god pool (lets say dionysus is removed from a pool with him, zeus, artemis and poseidon)

#

does it open up that spot

#

or do i still have to force a god

#

nevermind question answered

real bough
#

wait

#

lmao

#

Nyx you aint slick

#

šŸ˜‚

brisk trail
#

there should be a point in the game where hades runs out of capes

upper wolf
#

bro is god of wealth

#

if he wants capes, he can have capes

last veldt
#

No capes darling!

opal hemlock
#

i hate using the gun

#

is it considered a bad weapon?

#

it just feels so awful to have to stand still to shoot at things for semi okay range

#

no shot its better than something like bow

fervent radish
opal hemlock
#

no way

#

i figured that would be sword or shield

fervent radish
#

Go Zeus on attack, Poseidon on dash, big %on special

opal hemlock
#

oh so its just because of the boon choices that its good

#

not because of the weapon itself

fervent radish
#

Nope. Rail has the fastest ROWO time

#

No

opal hemlock
#

what does ROWO mean

fervent radish
#

Nothing attacks as fast as the rail

opal hemlock
#

but is that really that helpful when you cant move?

fervent radish
#

Rail, one weapon only. Itā€™s a speedrunning category where you play all 4 in a row

#

Yeah itā€™s still helpful for clearing rooms

#

Rail is good at utilizing flat damage since it can attack so fast

#

Eris buff is the strongest global buff in the game

opal hemlock
#

what is eris buff

fervent radish
#

Hestia is really strong as well

#

Eris and hestia are aspects of the rail

opal hemlock
#

ah okay i knew hestia but i didnt see the name of the other one

#

i unlocked them but im only going to use them once i max them because no ammo feels awful

fervent radish
#

The base rail is decent. More ammo means you can go spread fire aphro if you want

opal hemlock
#

reloading feels like a ball and chain

fervent radish
#

You can dash to cancel the animation

mint coral
fervent radish
opal hemlock
opal hemlock
mint coral
#

Stop attacking and dash through it

fervent radish
#

You have mobility when youā€™re holding down attack

#

Or get delta

opal hemlock
#

what is delta

mint coral
#

Also yeah delta chamber is funny

fervent radish
#

It preserves your iframes when dash striking

mint coral
#

Inf ammo, shoot on 3 rounds burst

fervent radish
#

(Bugged)

opal hemlock
#

oh another hammer upgrade

fervent radish
#

Yeah

mint coral
fervent radish
#

But ideally you want cluster bomb and rocket bomb

opal hemlock
fervent radish
#

Though if you really donā€™t like reloading delta is a good choice

opal hemlock
#

wait gun gives iframess????

mint coral
#

Dashing has iframes by default

#

Attacking removes them

#

Delta chamber makes it so you don't lose those iframes

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

Hidden rail is the most annoying regarding this

#

Cuz it doesn't have a dash strike at all lol

#

And its inf ammo isn't like delta

mint coral
#

Consider it less for the dash strike and just tidal dash

#

(hestia/spread fire zag rail can also benefit from dash strike bonuses)

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

Yeah

fervent radish
#

All of the rails probably want tdash

#

Unless youā€™re gaming with some hunter dash on hestia idk

opal hemlock
#

i took hangover dash instead

fervent radish
#

Not the worst

mint coral
fervent radish
#

Well

#

Yeah I can imagine

opal hemlock
#

also im mainly still trying to farm so im trying to using dio trinket a lot for nectar

mint coral
#

You can do eris dio attack too

opal hemlock
#

i havent really gotten to the point where i am just using optimal boons, i dont even really know exactly what kinda builds im looking for before going into a run

mint coral
#

The dmg boost works nicely with it

#

Can be funny and get pos dash into exclusive access for epic chaos boons for darkness boosting

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

No yeah nasty dash is kinda bad

#

Cuz numbers too low

opal hemlock
#

i feel like thats not the only dash ive seen with low damage

mint coral
#

It makes up for good call charge ag least

fervent radish
opal hemlock
#

curious why its so low when i saw like 5/0.5 on attack

mint coral
#

Also hangover working like it does, it means that taking nasty just nerfs your dmg if you are already with another source of dmg

opal hemlock
#

i forget but i like it

fervent radish
#

Itā€™s like 10-16

opal hemlock
#

oh yeah lmfao

#

i just took it for the deflect tbh

fervent radish
#

You donā€™t take divine dash for damage though

#

Yeah

mint coral
#

But its just bouldy

opal hemlock
#

really helped me when i was fighting hades since i suck at dodging those skulls

opal hemlock
#

and most weapons i feel

mint coral
#

ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

opal hemlock
#

also dashing ontop of something to do damage is such a waste imo when dashes literally save your life

mint coral
#

Dashing through enemies is common

#

Also learning when its safe to do so

opal hemlock
#

ig but is it more common than attacking them w ur weapon or even your special sometimes

mint coral
#

The thing is that dash strikes are better basically all the time

opal hemlock
#

okay

mint coral
#

Even the ranged weapons play close range a lot

opal hemlock
#

yeah its hard for me to play ranged too lol

mint coral
#

Bow best hammers being twin/triple

#

Hestia wants to shotgun with clockets or once again use tidal dmg to supplement

opal hemlock
#

i really like dionysus

mint coral
#

I think the only fully range weapon is like chiron

opal hemlock
#

literally so strong to me right now at my current pacing and stuff

mint coral
#

But it has the issue of being chiron

#

Yeah dio is nice

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

Ye

mint coral
#

Won't be nuking stuff but it works

brisk trail
#

Is zag gonna be in hades II, what do yall think

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

Only single target dmg, slow animation

opal hemlock
#

when you can already point blank with zag bow and do like 10 arrows of damage lol

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

Bow special that's not hidden bow is just meh in general

#

At most you'd use it for like, deleting projectiles

opal hemlock
#

i dont even think ive unlocked the final aspect for bow

mint coral
#

I don't trust zag standing still

opal hemlock
#

locked up??

#

what did bro do šŸ˜­

mint coral
#

I mean chronos is doing whatever he's doing

#

You think zag wouldn't try and go stop him?

mint coral
opal hemlock
# mint coral Dashing has iframes by default

like damn in hind sight this makes so much sense because there were times where i would dash when asterius was charging me and i wouldnt take damage but other times where i would

#

and i couldnt tell if the hitbox was just weird or if i was misunderstanding

#

and it was just because sometimes i was attacking and other times i was just running from him

fervent radish
#

Chiron WR plays it like bad zagbow

mint coral
#

Yeah lvl 5 chiron has 2 less arrows I think?

opal hemlock
#

okay that makes sense

#

ive only used that bow once and i think i remember that long animation

fervent radish
mint coral
fervent radish
#

Idk how many base bow has

mint coral
#

No lvl 5 is 7

fervent radish
#

You start with 4

#

5,6,7,8

mint coral
#

You start with 3

fervent radish
#

Oh

mint coral
opal hemlock
#

wait if i have two effects that apply hangover at different damages which one does it take?

#

the more recent one?

#

or the higher dps

fervent radish
#

Recent

#

Thatā€™s why itā€™s bad to have multiple sources

#

Ideal is call

#

Good catch

opal hemlock
#

real i should def get rid of my dash then bc i already have it on attack lmfao

fervent radish
#

Real

opal hemlock
#

thanks

#

and to think i was just going off about how i loved dio

#

bro is working against me w his boons

fervent radish
#

I mean heā€™s good

mint coral
#

Peer pressure is actively negative for this reason lmao

fervent radish
#

But relying on hangover gets rough

#

Thereā€™s always a faster way

opal hemlock
mint coral
fervent radish
#

x8?

mint coral
#

Yeah

opal hemlock
mint coral
#

If the first hangover stack is from peer, it uses like an enemy dmg multiplier

#

Is x2 in bosses

opal hemlock
#

aw i literally just got huge catch at the room before the heroes

fervent radish
#

Styx fish boutta go wild

opal hemlock
fervent radish
opal hemlock
#

is that the timer one? i dont know the names of everything yet sorry

fervent radish
#

Yeah

mint coral
#

And peer pressure uses that multiplier too

opal hemlock
#

honestly...im glad they kept that

#

if peer pressure is not good, it probably needs anything it can get

mint coral
#

fwiw I don't think they kept it but more of a "nobody noticed"

#

and now they don't really patch the game so it lives in agony as is still not good zaglol

fiery pecan
#

can you get a repeated boon if you reroll?

void vigil
#

Yeah most of the time itā€™s not all new boons

brisk trail
#

How do you re roll ??

#

I never knew we could do that

void vigil
#

Itā€™s in the mirror

fiery pecan
#

or contractor

void vigil
#

Contractor gives you a work order that makes keys give a reroll, rerolls are unlocked through the mirror

mint coral
#

you can unlock fated keys before rerolls

#

it defaults to autorithy

brisk trail
#

I gotta check that out tbh

#

I maxed mostlt everything in the mirror so far

keen mortar
#

the keepsake leveling systems feels bad

#

i sometimes want to go with something for example butterfly or shackle, then i remember its level 1 and I should just take coin pouch level 3 instead

#

wish I could just pump darkness into them or something to level

upper wolf
#

yeah that's fair

#

though I don't remember having an issue with it when I had to level them

finite thorn
#

If I have a 100% save and I want to start a new save, will I still complete the Steam successes or it will not work?

fervent radish
#

Each chamber counts as a chamber

void vigil
finite thorn
jagged hamlet
#

You can see the events again in Hades itself if you're on a new file

brisk trail
#

What's the best keepsake

#

I use the tooth most of the time

#

šŸ˜…

#

Best my 7th run today

mint coral
#

Namely acorn/tooth/hourglass

brisk trail
#

Oh I've been playing wron than haha

mint coral
#

Depending on luck you can do some variance like purse or tooth earlier

mint coral
#

Start zeus, swap to pos in aspho, acorn x2

brisk trail
#

Can I use any gods for my builds ??

#

Aphrodite and Dio work well for me tbh

mint coral
brisk trail
#

Ive been keeping the tooth on the whole time haha

mint coral
#

If you want to do dio you can start him to get early poms

#

An obvious one is hangover chiron

#

Start special, take aphro in aspho for atk, get duo

brisk trail
#

Gotcha

#

Still learning about builds since I'm more focused on beating the runs

#

On my 8th rn

#

XD

mint coral
#

Do you have the codex upgrade? To have the boon list

keen mortar
#

usually take coin purse in ely instead of a defensive one cus there's no way i'm dying there unless my build was already screwed

#

in styx I take tooth or collar depending on how many dds and HP I have

mint coral
#

Acorn is generally better fwiw

keen mortar
#

oh really?

mint coral
#

Dad weakest attack is 20

#

At worst you'll block the same hp of tooth

keen mortar
#

i see

mint coral
#

If you get hit during boiling blood/have HL on the amount increases

mint coral
keen mortar
#

the giant spinny thing is like 45 right? that's quite a bit of value, i get it

#

i'll try it on

mint coral
#

Worst case for acorn is like numbskulls

#

Or em4 summons like sneak/B.balls

#

Acorn can also be used if you want to go fast

#

Keeps high confidence/no stun for 5 hits

keen mortar
#

couldn't imagine fighting a sneak during another bossfight, still learning how to beat it regularly in that boss room lol

mint coral
#

Do you have summons?

#

Namely meg

keen mortar
#

no, I don't believe so

mint coral
#

They are the big locks in the keepsake cabinet

#

The tl;dr is they are great at stripping the armor of minibosses

keen mortar
#

alr i'll look forward to them then

#

also is it just me or does styx have an absurd amount of gold pots

#

or do I just notice them more because the rooms are smaller

void vigil
#

I think they do, probably for the shop bc itā€™s the final one

fervent radish
mint coral
#

I meant hp wise but yeah

void vigil
#

EM4 butterflies

mint coral
#

Archers stinky too

#

Voidstones w/o good dmg/breaching hammer also is annoying but for different reasons

proven lichen
#

Lorewise I find the hidden aspects to be incredibly strange in some respects

#

3 of them - Arthur, Guan Yu, and Beowulf, are about mortals in the future from the game's timeline

#

The other 3 - Rama, Gilgamesh, and Lucifer - are in the past from the game's timeline and 2 of those are about entirely different divinities. And Gilgamesh goes to a different Underworld.

#

If this is "Greek mythology canon" so to speak, or at least based on it heavily to the extent that the Theogeny is true, then when did the other divinities exist?

#

Is the implication of Chaos' line about "when another time came to an end" supposed to be like, a cyclical universe?

#

What I'm saying is that Hades 2 has to be a massive loredump with zero gameplay or else 1 star

upper wolf
#

personal headcanon is that it's a multiverse

#

there's a world of hades with greek mythology, a world of lucifer with abrahamic or just christian mythology, one with gilga and co, etc

main glen
#

been a hot minute since I played / followed hades discussions

#

is there updates on Hades 2 ?

#

patches at all or none ?

last veldt
#

Separate channel for H2 speculation. No more updates that I've heard of.

steep condor
livid sphinx
keen mortar
#

guan yu appeared to achilles in a dream/vision or something iirc in dialogue, so probably some kind of mystical crossing over between universes or something

brisk trail
#

I need help I'm using bow of churon

#

Should I do sea storm or second wave ??

#

I appreciate anyone who helps me haha

fervent radish
#

Sea storm

#

Also Chiron bleh

brisk trail
#

Haha

#

I like it so far