good times
#h1-discussion
autumn rose
lol
latent moon
Pride
jaunty sparrow
Okay
autumn rose
i dont know
but probably hestia
i think other good options wud be zag shield zeus zag bow rama nemesis or guan yu with charged skewer
basically aspects that are better with % buffs and arent cast orientated
or just bad in general like arthur and gilga
maiden narwhal
i got mad and started playing well
omg i had all 4 bombers in a perfect line, then meg bisected them at a 35 degree angle
so lame
just because of the direction i happened to be facing
latent moon
dw meg bombers on mm is always sus
you just hit the button and hope you get more than 1 lmao
hitting only 1 of them is a very common experience
stiff obsidian
actually you just dont hit the button 
latent moon
or that
maiden narwhal
latent moon
im in the habit of always doing it tho lmao
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1219356470529888266/im...
zag shield?
maiden narwhal
yes
latent moon
caustic strike or abyssal assault
stiff obsidian
attack ofc
latent moon
halting is pretty bad
and lunge isn't that helpful
if you dont like caustic then abyssal isnt that bad
but you also hate hs so prob take caustic lmao
maiden narwhal
caustic yeah
latent moon
also btw why shackle and DDs?
barren bridge
sea storm
latent moon
why not just do lightning strike then
it's more or less the same thing lmao
the % from pos strike sucks and the knockback on that is pretty bad
barren bridge
got point i was doing that before
but got lil bored and wana try different build
will
the run was paused
on that point
i might just sell posi attack
and buy it
cause
i still didnt get the bone
maiden narwhal
also btw why shackle and DDs?
um
just dds because no lc
should i still be playing sd?
why?
latent moon
lc4 sd at 32 is reasonable lmao
a lot of people still do it at that point bc it's not that difficult to do
if you're not doing lc then DDs are fine but i feel like you can def do lc4 sd at 32 pretty comfortably lmao
maiden narwhal
lc4 sd at 32 is reasonable lmao
i went hl instead
but it's not comfortable
so maybe lc is better yeah
ffs lc is 31
maiden narwhal
gotta do a wee bit of hl
maiden narwhal
lmao no hl really is free
wow
i didn't realise they were hitting so HARD because of hl
maiden narwhal
because i'm so used to 50
maiden narwhal
lmao chaos reduced my hp to 1, and i played 2 full aspho encounters before i finally got hit
where is this kind of play when i have full hp
WHERE
latent moon
you have gotten gud at the game
maiden narwhal
you have gotten gud at the game
it's more like a gaming trope, i think
it's always that way when you're down to your last hit point
and then like.. if i was capable of that.. how'd i get down to one hp in the first place
maiden narwhal
you ever try to play a kaizo?
steep condor
and then like.. if i was capable of that.. how'd i get down to one hp in the fir...
adrenaline is a hell of a (self made by the human body) drug
maiden narwhal
but yeah sometimes spurts like that just sorta happen
it puts me in mind of rayman
i panicked my way through that entire game..
but i had to play those chest runs perfectly
maiden narwhal
adrenaline is a hell of a (self made by the human body) drug
fr this is it
that focus that comes
STICKS AND STONES MIGHT BREAK MY BONES
BUT INFERNO BOMBS CANT TOUCH ME
ow meg made me eat one
but 12 damage is lol
ooh
hs [rare]rd, or hs +3?
@latent moon what would you do?
i feel like 5 dashes would be really annoying on zag shield
rare rd giving 75%
lavish sorrel
this is shield so dashes don't matter too much (unless you currently only have one)
take RD here
maiden narwhal
cool thanks
steep condor
in what situation / for what build would you take extra dashes over rare rd?
latent moon
Do you need damage and if you don't do you want more or take survivability
latent moon
in what situation / for what build would you take extra dashes over rare rd?
ME tbh
I think epic dashes is better than rare rd
steep condor
ah, makes sense, because with more dashes you can do more damage than the bonus gives you... if you do it right, i guess
maiden narwhal
there's no damage mitigation in this game, right? like from armour?
mob armour is just another layer of hp?
also, you're not invulnerable during bullrush, are you?
you can still take damage from underneath?
mint coral
Overkill dmg to armor won't pass to hp at least
maiden narwhal
Overkill dmg to armor won't pass to hp at least
fair
mint coral
Bullrush is pretty much a dash
maiden narwhal
but otherwise?
fallen vault
Man i just got my ass handed to me by hades suddenly dropping a motherlode of skulls
maiden narwhal
Bullrush is pretty much a dash
are you sure?
furies and theseus won't get you from underneath mid rush?
mint coral
Yeah
maiden narwhal
can aphro get you mid dash?
and i didn't know theseus could call aphro that way? i don't think i've ever seen it happen
mint coral
Not the call part, but after it where he gets buffs
maiden narwhal
like a heat seeking heart?
mint coral
His attacks do inflict the curses post big call iirc
maiden narwhal
His attacks do inflict the curses post big call iirc
will the curse be weak, or charm?
latent moon
Weak prob
maiden narwhal
so then it shouldn't
i'm sure meg got me from underneath as i was rushing out of multiple circles
autumn rose
Man i just got my ass handed to me by hades suddenly dropping a motherlode of sk...
he has a certain combo in ||em4 where he throws 3 casts and then his spear,|| at first i thought i was just getting consistently unlucky with projectile spam but he's done that pattern so many times now so its prolly a built in thing
maiden narwhal
but it was like sturdy?
took the damage but didn't get interrupted
same things happens when you rush meg with eris
and she spins
fallen vault
he has a certain combo in ||em4 where he throws 3 casts and then his spear,|| at...
That mightve been what i hit, i havent with ||heatmodifiers|| that much but this really caught me by surprise after...
around 150 ish hours lmao
mint coral
Em4 is the boss modifiers
If you were doing super dad then yeah it def could've been that
Oh @maiden narwhal my stuff about aphro was for the dmg mitigation part lol
fallen vault
Yeah im aware, i dont have EM loaded up tho lmao
maiden narwhal
Oh <@769226157890469890> my stuff about aphro was for the dmg mitigation part lo...
well that makes a lot more sense
mint coral
Yeah it took me a sec to notice why I was confused too lol
maiden narwhal
so.. normal mobs with armour will just take flat damage?
if i deflect damage, it's got extra damage going back that athena adds?
or is it the same value as what they cast at me?
i had epic divine dash and a bunch of splitters threw a BUNCH of orbs at me and when timed properly i sent like 70 damage back at them
is that what would have hit me if i had been standing in the right place, and not dashing?
mint coral
Ik that charmed enemies have their dmg increased for example
Same should be for deflect I think?
There's like an entire enemy dmg multiplier
Which is why peer pressure has the x8 dmg bug
maiden narwhal
ok so there's no situation where the damage a mob deals can be the same going back?
it'll always have some zag/boon modifier attached
mint coral
I think so yeah
maiden narwhal
cool
mint coral
Not too sure cuz often the dmg is just there lol
Oh wait
Dad pots hit him for the same iirc
As you
Unless HS ofc
maiden narwhal
ofc
then the math doesn't really matter lol
hey how do i know if tidal dash is stealing my first hit or not?
maiden narwhal
ok
wait i can't test
no skelly
lol i never realised tdash damage showed in blue
all those numbers mean nothing to me so i don't really look at them
steep condor
i like how the game throws all that information at you, makes it seem so... arcade-y
maiden narwhal
lmao i facetanked asterius and curse of vengeance destroyed him
that was beautiful
first time i've passed heroes
feels like a winning run now they're done with
oh but also i'm losing my shackle now
hmm
wow he killed me
it was so close i thought he was the one who died
so mad
stone rune
unshakable mettle
autumn rose
Yea u right
gray stirrup
this is shield so dashes don't matter too much (unless you currently only have o...
Are you the guy who did the fresh file save the Hades Devs commented on?
If so, that's really cool
lavish sorrel
Are you the guy who did the fresh file save the Hades Devs commented on?
no
that was Vorime
lavish sorrel
but yes I do in fact do run1 stuff
gray stirrup
Any tips on how to do a good fresh file save?
(Please don't say skill issue T_T)
upper wolf
if not beating fresh file is a skill issue then it's the most common skill issue of them all lol
lavish sorrel
Any tips on how to do a good fresh file save?
(Please don't say skill issue T_T)
ski- (no that would be mean)
more seriously: put 200-ish hours into it, learn the enemy / boss patterns and try to see how to avoid them, try to preserve the dash whenever possible, look for 
, look for 
, win hopefully
gray stirrup
ski- (no that would be mean)
more seriously: put 200-ish hours into it, learn th...
Merciful end is goated yeah
lavish sorrel
other than those basics, there is also a FF guide by Sophie here https://scientific-paprika-b40.notion.site/Hades-Fresh-File-First-Run-Info-2d647029f5c34252acbd38ad5e54b221
gray stirrup
I managed to reach the prick and the bull but lost before I could finish off the bull
Divine Protection goes crazy with Merciful End can't lie
lavish sorrel
my beloved
gray stirrup
Preserve the dash huh?
I think that might be my main issue yeah lol
Gotten used to dashing around a lot, sometimes a lot of wasted movement there
lavish sorrel
you only have one dash, so if you don't use it when you don't need it you can keep it for when you ACTUALLY need to avoid an attack
gray stirrup
Sometimes I can't get the timing of dashing at the right time to avoid redacted's attacks
upper wolf
funnily that's also why I like world splitter for heat. You can use your dash defensively without issue
lavish sorrel
funnily that's also why I like world splitter for heat. You can use your dash de...
animation too slow 
gray stirrup
funnily that's also why I like world splitter for heat. You can use your dash de...
Wait, how does world splitter help in that case?
upper wolf
Wait, how does world splitter help in that case?
you don't need to dash strike for damage, so you can keep your dash as a defensive tool instead
lavish sorrel
ski- (no that would be mean)
more seriously: put 200-ish hours into it, learn th...
to add on to this, play out pretty much every run until you get to 
regularly. the more used to 1dash sword combat you get, the easier a time you'll have
if you want help on bossfights specifically, there are a fair few savestates someone from the speedrunning community or I could send you, if asked.
mint coral
this is like the first time I touched rama (and 50 heat) in 2 months
I shouldn't be in elysium
and dem comes as a 5th god and gifts me nourished soul
lmao
10% global dmg ‼️
also I forget sometimes how insane is hangover at call charging
upper wolf
10% until you find 5 ichor
proper tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751198390892888294/1219453833751560242/im...
i think if i tried ap2 seriously it’d kill me in real life
mint coral
oh I didn't meg in heroes lol
upper wolf
i think if i tried ap2 seriously it’d kill me in real life
Big same. AP2 is not a challenge, it's just luck.
mint coral
messed up the meg so I def could've won
a
at least I remembered how fun this is lol
upper wolf
at least I remembered how fun this is lol
You picked AP2, so not at all I imagine?
latent moon
unfortunate
stiff obsidian
bad game
sullen kettle
hades laser attack is so bs
sometimes goes over the pillar you are standing behind
latent moon
might be bc of the angled pov
you think you're behind it but you're a bit too far our or something
proper tusk
apparently i’ve gotten rush delivery 20 times and i cleared with it all of those times
rush delivery = instant win confirmed
autumn rose
its only good with bouldy +4% movement speed
autumn rose
stiff obsidian
no
latent moon
heretic
proper tusk
are speed bonuses multiplicative?
latent moon
are speed bonuses multiplicative?
eris route abuses that mechanic
and also dio beo run control
latent moon
each run has a specific seed, and various actions change the seed number throughout the run
basically the seed keeps updating in the run
proper tusk
oh interesting
are there like. tools that tell you what actions change the seed to do what
or is it just trial and error
latent moon
routed means you know what specific actions to take such that the seed gives you what you need
this is generally done through a seed tracker mod or something
trial and error can also work but it's also a lot more difficult and time consuming
proper tusk
interesting
latent moon
the mod lets you figure it out in the run, and as long as you track what actions you need to take to change the seed to what you want, you can keep running that same run over and over again
hence the eris route
the run control is technically still "routed" but it's hard coded
at least iirc
it's not leaderboard legal, but it's kinda just a fun experiment of sorts of the fastest theoretical run
proper tusk
im def gonna watch these bc im curious how much of that 2 minutes is just completely unavoidable time like enemies spawning and going from door to door
latent moon
i think vorime missed the exit for asphodel midshop bc he ran too far lmao
it might've been this run or a different run/clip i saw but like it's def a thing that can happen bc of the ichors
stiff obsidian
both are vorime which one r u talking about?
sullen kettle
I beat hades using bow
Chiron is kinda busted ngl
decided to invest in level 4 chiron
latent moon
dont let jazz hear you
stiff obsidian
the run control
wait where?
latent moon
idk but i remember seeing a clip that happened
like i said, idk if it was that run or a clip that i saw
keen mortar
I beat hades using bow
me too, but more of a festive fog build lol
2nd clear right after the first one
Why are image perms disabled here?
maiden narwhal
does damage control take away fiery presence?
keen mortar
i'm taking traps for heat, watch my controller die in lava or something
latent moon
yeah you still get fiery, it's just that you're not likely to perfectly get 2 small hits and then 1 big hit right after reliably
latent moon
i'm taking traps for heat, watch my controller die in lava or something
or you could just not take that pact lol
keen mortar
fair lmao
latent moon
wait when did you do 50 lmao i must've missed that
latent moon
oh i found it
keen mortar
my sword hasn't gotten past tartarus lol, I havent used it since the very beginning of the game
latent moon
damn splitting on ap2
maiden narwhal
well i'l so happy i'll post it twice
latent moon
tbf shadow on rail doesnt matter anyways so not a big deal lmao
keen mortar
How's delta chamber? was debating over it earlier
latent moon
rail special cant backstab anyways and 50% backstab on a base 10 bullet isn't spectacular lmao
latent moon
infinte ammo is nice
maiden narwhal
How's delta chamber? was debating over it earlier
it keeps your invulnerability for the entire dash strike
latent moon
but also it's bugged so that you have full iframes on dash strikes
maiden narwhal
infinte ammo is nice
but reload every three sure isnt
keen mortar
oh nice
latent moon
but reload every three sure isnt
wdym reload every 3
it's just a 3 round burst
it's still like fine
maiden narwhal
yeah so there's a reload
autumn rose
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1218212238536474645/im...
What in the absolute ap2 luck is this
latent moon
delta dps vs normal dps is like pretty similar iirc lmao
like yeah it's lower but it's not like it really matters
latent moon
What in the absolute ap2 luck is this
have you seen the 62 eris
autumn rose
No
steep condor
being on controller, i like eris w delta chamber simply so i don't have to reload manually
maiden narwhal
i just hate pressing left click and having nothing happen
which can sometimes happen, with delta
latent moon
divine protection and epic dashes lmao
i think it was a damageless dad fight
like 2 or 3 hits to the acorn
proper tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1218212238536474645/im...
can i ask a stupid question
maiden narwhal
i think jazz could have a damageless dad fight tho
the amount of damage beo puts out
proper tusk
how do you have 51 clears and also 35 clears
keen mortar
being on controller, i like eris w delta chamber simply so i don't have to reloa...
i always just blank out and go clickclickclickclick wondering why nothing's happening for a sec
maiden narwhal
how do you have 51 clears and also 35 clears
i.. don't know?
real bough
ngl I understand why Hades is so grumpy all the time. Imagine working a 9-5 job and coming home to hear your son talking smack, like Zagreus aint playing with the insults bros dissing his pops out violently every chance he could
latent moon
i.. don't know?
did you download the max save
maiden narwhal
no
not to my knowledge
but i did a thing that wiped my run save data
when i was trying to do the quick reset
latent moon
oh that might be why then? not sure about quick reset stuff
keen mortar
he did 16 runs while forgetting to grab a weapon, obviously
proper tusk
ohh true
keen mortar
zag fists but they are actually zag fists
autumn rose
Rush kick spam
latent moon
if you download the max save, you get a win streak of 50 clears and 50 total clears but the aspcet records will show 0
that's why i was wondering lmao
maiden narwhal
i've got heroic divine dash and blinding flash and i don't know what to do with it
steep condor
ngl I understand why Hades is so grumpy all the time. Imagine working a 9-5 job ...
do you think zag came out of the womb just hurling insults at dad
maiden narwhal
that's why i was wondering lmao
i don't look at those stats at all unless someone asks for them so tbh i don't even know what ya'll are talking about.
i looked at the screenshot and can't see 35 anywhere
but if there's an incongruency it's probably because i deleted my saved runs
autumn rose
i don't look at those stats at all unless someone asks for them so tbh i don't e...
count what the clears for each individual weapon add up to
maiden narwhal
i've got heroic divine dash and blinding flash and i don't know what to do with ...
would you change your playstyle to try and backstab, or just ignore it?
i never use bullrush because it's so slow
sudden rush is like the best thing since toaster tongs
EPIC RD LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
lmao they made of papier mache
playing with hl off is cheating
steep condor
me when i play w/o calisthenics program
maiden narwhal
hahaha you know what's stronger than epic rd?
ely spear trap with rare chaos boon damage
tepid light
hahaha you know what's stronger than epic rd?
ely spear trap with rare chaos bo...
heightened security
maiden narwhal
ares taking credit for a spear trap
what a clown
why did i pick a trial room
i'm playing boonless ffs
latent moon
would you change your playstyle to try and backstab, or just ignore it?
just ignore backstabs for the most part
there's never really a reason to actually aim for backstabs
unless you're short on time and it's super convenient to do and you dont have to spend extra time actually aiming for it
maiden narwhal
i know but it got rare cropd felt like such a waste
maiden narwhal
lmao zeus dash steals fiery presence
stiff obsidian
yes
maiden narwhal
so stupid
stiff obsidian
fiery is only rly significant on hestia imo
maiden narwhal
and one time he gave me ambiguity and sisyphus said "bouldy really liked that!"
stiff obsidian
i dont gift bouldy anymore
maiden narwhal
fiery is only rly significant on hestia imo
it's making a huge difference in tartarus
like.. i used to throw my shield or cast at them and it took at least 2 more hits
stiff obsidian
in the time i wouldve spent gifting bouldy every single run i couldve done a few more runs
latent moon
fiery is significant on hestia throughout the whole run, but on mostly everything else it's mainly just good/fine in tart and aspho
maiden narwhal
i sit around, look at my boons
maiden narwhal
i want to try this hestia business now
new kind of play
i tried beo but did not like
just cast aspects in general feel weird
latent moon
150 base damage kinda good with a free 75% boost from fiery
stone rune
i just learned on reddit that fists are the best weapon because they hit fast
stiff obsidian
did you not know that?
maiden narwhal
also spear is best weapon because not sure why but spear
stone rune
nice
stone rune
oh wait
actually
fists hit speed depends on your hammers and how fast you click
the more you know
maiden narwhal
lmao chaos just gave me 100% dash strike damage in the chamber before the furies
poor lernie
but i managaed to mess up an epic rd run so
they had to make zeus dash look so cool because of how lame it is
but i got jolted and i refuse to swap it out
steep condor
btw when you have rare crop tatgeting a boon and you switch out the boon, do you keep the rare crop?
steep condor
or do they not suggest trading for boons w rare crop?
maiden narwhal
btw when you have rare crop tatgeting a boon and you switch out the boon, do you...
i did exactly this but then i also sold the boon i switched it out for so i couldn't see
pity
i was actually thinking about something else along those lines
like how when you pom a boon then swap it, the new boon keeps the level
that's the most roguelite thing about this game
zeus dash and zeus call
all shall burn
ordinarily i'd grab the hyper but is there merit to taking second wind?
stiff obsidian
is a book a hades?
stiff obsidian
ordinarily i'd grab the hyper but is there merit to taking second wind?
2nd wind good
1/3 dodgev
maiden narwhal
lol i have epic hermes attack
anything without armour is stunlocked into oblivion
latent moon
ngl i'd take the +1 dash unless you plan on buying styx hermes
but 2nd wind is still pretty good
you dont really charge calls that fast so it's not as valuable on pulv blow shield than like rail
latent moon
i mean +dash is still good regardless of the aspect
hyper sprint isn't as good as dashes for survivability
and there's no rd chance unless you buy styx hermes here
which is like doable but like personal preference
maiden narwhal
chaos thinks lowering my move speed is a curse
but it just makes my game tight af
it's only annoying for rewards and doors
stiff obsidian
outplayed
maiden narwhal
lmao literally my BIGGEST problem with zag shield is overshooting, because i spam dash
that can't happen when i have no move speed
it's beautiful
maiden narwhal
@rustic vale when you're playing boonless, do you keep a core (and not use it, unbind it, whatever) to fish for duos?
is that legit?
maiden narwhal
can't spam dash if you only have 1 🧠
can't panic properly either!
latent moon
technically speaking if you're doing boonless, you'd have no boons
actually what restrictions are you putting on yourself lmao
bc it looks like you're just playing shackle zag shield, but you're not even taking a cast or special boon either, both of which aren't really relevant to zag shield at all
maiden narwhal
actually what restrictions are you putting on yourself lmao
community
i was playing no core at all
but now i'm playing dash and call
latent moon
wdym by "community"
maiden narwhal
i was playing no core at all
but now i'm playing dash and call
because that's what shackle plays
community standards
whatever shackle runners consider boonless
latent moon
community standard for boonless would mean 0 boons at all
maiden narwhal
community standard for boonless would mean 0 boons at all
no i don't think so
latent moon
oh in that case
maiden narwhal
i think shackle was saying something else
latent moon
you can take boons as long as you dont benefit from them in any way
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1219534515635097660/im...
so like this is invalid bc you're prob gonna hit an enemy with thunder dash lmao
maiden narwhal
so no core at all?
latent moon
i mean you can take cores
latent moon
youre just not allowed to like use it if you do take a core
maiden narwhal
he takes tdash!
latent moon
i mean he does his own thing
maiden narwhal
oh ok
latent moon
his rules aren't community standards
his runs are just "shackle runs" actually
his runs aren't boonless
it's jsut shackle
maiden narwhal
yeah my special is unbound so i have no problem taking aphro special looking for a duo later
is that community allowed?
latent moon
well what duo
latent moon
bc like what's the point you're not allowed to benefit from it lmao
maiden narwhal
i'm not forcing a god so i'm not looking for anything in particular
right but i wasn't playing the no benefit way
latent moon
are you doing shackle's rules or community boonless rules then
maiden narwhal
i thought shackle's rules were community, right
now i know different
i'll try no benefit and see
that's not always possible tho
i guess purging is allowed
latent moon
yeah that's allowed
latent moon
that's not always possible tho
yeah some runs just end up dead bc you dont have a choice
latent moon
like iirc jazz said that ares is the worst bc he offers the most nothing boons that you're forced to benefit from
maiden narwhal
that helps me through the whole run to the pool
latent moon
yeah lol
maiden narwhal
nonsense
latent moon
btw the game will force you to pick priority cores if you dont have any
maiden narwhal
i know
that's what is so annoying
i rolled aphro twice and got lament as the best option
latent moon
yeah just take special for the whole run and dont use it
maiden narwhal
especially for seed, you'll be forced to take core
latent moon
or cast
maiden narwhal
yeah
latent moon
i mean at the start of the run you're guaranteed to take either special or cast
so you'll always have a viable run after that lmao
maiden narwhal
so best to just unbind everything except attack
latent moon
yeah boiling blood will be nice
maiden narwhal
i want to reset my hp for an athena room and it's taking forever to die lol
td3 will get me at this rate
stiff obsidian
use hs
maiden narwhal
@latent moon athena sd bug is allowed, right?
latent moon
<@384127040992837633> athena sd bug is allowed, right?
no bc you're benefiting from a boon
maiden narwhal
doh
stiff obsidian
i mean hes not doing boonless
latent moon
he just said he was
stiff obsidian
just no cores
latent moon
also btw i dont remember if chaos is legal or not lmao
maiden narwhal
i let that splitter kill me for nothing
stiff obsidian
like attack and special
maiden narwhal
he's going to tell his friends about it
stiff obsidian
iirc
latent moon
he said he was gonna try boonless
stiff obsidian
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1219534515635097660/im...
based on this ss
oh
latent moon
i'll try no benefit and see
here
latent moon
based on this ss
yeah that's what i was wondering about earlier lmao
it did get clarified now so we're good
latent moon
and then go to 32
ngl i'd just say do 32
boonless seeds can be a pain in the ass
might as well just do it once and be done with it if the goal is 32 boonless
stiff obsidian
ive never had a problem with seed
maiden narwhal
might as well just do it once and be done with it if the goal is 32 boonless
32 is arbitrary
tbh
i was doing 27 and shackle said why just do 32
maiden narwhal
but 9 and 32 sure are
ok i'll clear one 9 then do 32
and if i struggle with 9 then i know
how to proceed
latent moon
you're not dying bc of boonless you're dying bc stuff hurts lmao
maiden narwhal
you're not dying bc of boonless you're dying bc stuff hurts lmao
based
maiden narwhal
ok
@stiff obsidian do boonless no hammer
play shield and disable special and choose flight or something
lmao i hit 4 bombers with meg
aim her where they're going to be
that's never happening again
stiff obsidian
i dont think u can avoid hammer
maiden narwhal
is positive outlook run ending if i don't drop below 40% before i sell it?
maiden narwhal
i dont think u can avoid hammer
force first for flight, avoid second?
maiden narwhal
is positive outlook run ending if i don't drop below 40% before i sell it?
i'm going to say no
but also i can't math, so i'll eyeball it
but if furies take my sd then it's gg?
because ofc they will
yeah run's over
this game sucks
better to unbind cast
damnit force of habit i pathed gold over heart
what do you need gold for playing boonless
maiden narwhal
like iirc jazz said that ares is the worst bc he offers the most nothing boons t...
lc4 and afterparty <3<3<3
the exact opposite of ares
@stiff obsidian what if hermes is unavoidable?
run ender?
stiff obsidian
just sell
maiden narwhal
ok. or can always take his special if it's there
wow alecto without casts lodged in her is horrendous
latent moon
<@828865026420899841> what if hermes is unavoidable?
run ender?
I mean some stuff from hermes just sucks
latent moon
technically speaking you can take greater evasion but as long as you dont get "dodged!" then it's still legal i think lmao
latent moon
if you take side hustle, as long as you keep track on how much money you gained from it and dont spend over that amount then you're fine
latent moon
i think extra dashes are technically legal? as long as you space them out long enough so that you your dashes reload but that's harder to verify and idk if people want to keep track of that lmao
so prob not legal nvm
maiden narwhal
haha prob not yeah
latent moon
you can also look into getting a call since that adds in 2 dud hermes into your god pool
maiden narwhal
it would be so hard to take +3 and still dash only twice
you should get a trophy for that
latent moon
using infernal soul so you have more bad hermes in the pool
maiden narwhal
you can also look into getting a call since that adds in 2 dud hermes into your ...
i get call cast and special, then rinse repeat
or that's the plan
i'm only at asphodel
but chaos has been super kind and i'm oneshotting everything
latent moon
bc those are still boons
maiden narwhal
also idk if chaos is allowed lmao
filthy lies
latent moon
gonna have to check the community rules on that one
maiden narwhal
please do
i'll cry
it's been going so well
i didn't even know there was a boonless community that's awesome
i thought you meant community in a more macro sense
stiff obsidian
like
maiden narwhal
shackle said chaos is fine
latent moon
i mean he uses his own rules
latent moon
lmao chaos and bouldy not allowed
unfortunate
i mean might as well finish the run bc why not lol
it's good practice at least
maiden narwhal
master chaos, it seems
ok, rules are pretty straightforward, thanks
neh it's only asphodel and the chaos boon was probably better than the boiling blood i gave up
so the whole run is rubbish
latent moon
ely practice might be important tbh
tanky enemies and you have no scaling
also no acorn so heroes and dad gonna be hard
maiden narwhal
i didn't play acorn until dad anyway
latent moon
tbh that's prob what the 9 heat practice is good for now that i think about it lmao
maiden narwhal
but i didn't know no acorn
that's going to suck
i can't kill dad without an acorn
latent moon
i mean you can take acorn and not use shackle
maiden narwhal
tbh that's prob what the 9 heat practice is good for now that i think about it l...
yes
latent moon
it'll just take twice as long to clear lmao
maiden narwhal
oh
yeah that's fine
i was so close the last time, i didn't know which one of us died
so i'm p sure i can take him without shackle
although... i think i had dash and call then
hm
and definitely a bunch of benefical boons
fak
i am not going to kill dad
latent moon
yeah i can let you know rn
maiden narwhal
it'll still be fun getting there
latent moon
boonless dad is a pain in the ass
maiden narwhal
ALL THE BOONS DAD IS A PAIN IN THE ASS
latent moon
i tried doing it on beo at 40 heat and it suckd
tbf if i did 32 i would've been fine since no hl5 but it still sucked ass lmao
didn't clear it so i had to do shackle beo 40 instead
maiden narwhal
haha
yeah you playing badly is probably still that much better than me playing well
latent moon
and got mirage shot so that was funny
lmao tbf i've spent more time playing high heat and speedrunning so i just have more experience
maiden narwhal
i killed seed and immediately went into chaos tunnel?
this will take getting used to
latent moon
he has like way more runs on rail than anything else
he's been grinding eris heat for a while
maiden narwhal
false can you not play shield
is that why you won't try a boonless no hammer run
cause i don't think it's possible on eris?
latent moon
oh def not
latent moon
boonless on eris would suck lmao
maiden narwhal
cause just disable special and force flight
lmao probably impossible
at "high heat"
latent moon
boonless really only works on aspects that can hit hard in 1 shot
maiden narwhal
ok if i can't clear 32 with shield i'll try that
but first i have to clear 32 with that lol
i have no idea how to play hestia
latent moon
shield is fine but part of the problem is just the inherent danger of pulv blow over cshot lmao
latent moon
i have no idea how to play hestia
literally just reload and shoot, just hit the special every now and then
maiden narwhal
cshot is more dangerous for me because i can't position well enough with it
latent moon
position yourself like you would on eris
dash strike into them, hold, release
if you want you can just look at other's place cshot and you'd get a better idea at positioning
latent moon
cshot good
maiden narwhal
if you want you can just look at other's place cshot and you'd get a better idea...
i have
it's just hard for me to charge weapons
latent moon
time to practice lmao
you're running modded so should be easy to get the practice in
maiden narwhal
oceans' bounty yae or nay?
nobody cares about that little gems darkness and gold.. right?
not going to make the slightest difference to my clear?
latent moon
uh
stiff obsidian
gold yes
latent moon
if you keep track on how much gold you got from it then it's fine lmao
latent moon
or that
maiden narwhal
or buy a boon from a shop
latent moon
hearts nice tho
stiff obsidian
if you arent going to submit to boonless leaderboard i wouldnt worry about those rules tbh
latent moon
oh yeah that's true lmao
if you dont plan on submitting then you can take oceans bounty and no one will know except the game code
stiff obsidian
when i did it i chose the most useless boon but if i was forced into a core i didnt change my playstyle to not benefit from it or anything liek that
maiden narwhal
if you arent going to submit to boonless leaderboard i wouldnt worry about those...
i might tho. either way i want to play by their rules, so my run feels legit to me
maiden narwhal
why would you play it mirrorless
you masochist
i'm going to go bounty because it's not going to change my run in the least and i'd submit it and fight about it if they chose to
so
oh wait bounty is the one that ups their value through the run
damn
i thought it was going to dump some at my feet
eh same thing tho
it's miniscule
and was common
stiff obsidian
fight or flight reflex ❌
fight reflex ✅
latent moon
why would you play it mirrorless
there's an unofficial leaderboard for boonless mirrorless lol
iirc the record is like 41 heat?
maiden narwhal
if i want a community challenge, boonless is a lot more interesting than speedrunning
so yeah, if i submit anything at all, it'd be that
maiden narwhal
there's an unofficial leaderboard for boonless mirrorless lol
ofc there is
latent moon
im trying to find it but i cant find it lmao
maiden narwhal
false goin for the gold it seems
stiff obsidian
no 32 is very distant from 41 and i didnt even follow the rules
maiden narwhal
you're at 32 and mirrorless
stiff obsidian
and didnt know such a leaderboard existed
maiden narwhal
back to masochist
latent moon
i cant find the leaderboard but i found the victory screen of the current record afaik lmao
stone rune
boonless is insanely zagsnooze
maiden narwhal
lmao i stood in the shop for 5 seconds wondering what to do before i realised i could just not buy anything
latent moon
boonless is insanely zagsnooze
do you know where the leaderboard is
latent moon
i only see mirrorless
stiff obsidian
lmao i stood in the shop for 5 seconds wondering what to do before i realised i ...
5 seconds that couldve been saved pausing
latent moon
oh nvm its labeled mirrorless and boonless for some
maiden narwhal
tsiphone so easy but she took so long to die i thought td would get me
maiden narwhal
5 seconds that couldve been saved pausing
i mean
i thought about that also
in those 5 seconds
i thought about many things
summon allowed?
i didn't see it mentioned
i checked again it doesn't say anything about summon
stiff obsidian
maiden narwhal
or charon shop
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1219561488533032990/i...
this is what i get for living on the other side of the world
fresh file is a snoozefest
speedrunning is dumb
boonless is a nice inbetween
stiff obsidian
agreed
latent moon
Do boonless mirror less
latent moon
Then it's fresh file but with heat
maiden narwhal
oh
latent moon
She got like idk 33 heat? Idk
stone rune
i had the record lol
maiden narwhal
rofl
stone rune
33 boonless mirrorless
latent moon
For like less than an hour right
stone rune
it’s just such a fake and boring and useless category
maiden narwhal
it's fun
stone rune
what if we added pointless rng for no reason
latent moon
Sounds like speedrunning
stiff obsidian
bad game
latent moon
I mean it's to prove that you can
latent moon
Technically speaking then heat has no reason other than to prove that you can lol
upper wolf
heat is also man made
latent moon
So is time
upper wolf
unless SGG is actually composed of deities
which, y'know, it wouldn't be that surprising I guess 
latent moon
The guy who grinded for the record
Avalanche apparently too lmao
I mean most people just do it for the dialogue once and then they're done with it
upper wolf
yeah, it's what I did. And I didn't play by the official community rules for boonless% for it
maiden narwhal
it's because i want a new challenge and speedrunning is bad
and fresh file is not it
that leaves boonless
which is still fun
until it isn't
stiff obsidian
I did boonless mirrorless and didn't get the dialogue for mirrorless bc boonless took priority
stone rune
speedrunning is good
lavish sorrel
Speedrunning is too degen 
stiff obsidian
bad game
wicked sage
lol when i finally get the ||achilles dialogue to reunite him and paty the game doesnt give me paty||
stiff obsidian
Don't have to spoiler
brisk trail
lol when i finally get the ||achilles dialogue to reunite him and paty the game ...
What’s paty
wicked sage
meg and achilles giving me the middle finger
sullen kettle
really got the best boon combo for chiron
I got relentless and concentrated volley
wicked sage
I got relentless and concentrated volley
nice
rustic vale
<@733775512991694900> when you're playing boonless, do you keep a core (and not ...
If I was playing boonless I wouldnmt take any boons
at all
any I found I’d sell
What I do is not boonless
It’s more of a “coreless-lite” cuz I still take dash, call, & secondary boons but I just call it shackle run
wicked sage
If I was playing boonless I wouldnmt take any boons
i would assume you wouldnt
tepid light
yes i'm boonless
yes i take boons
we exist
last veldt
You are seen
rose roost
I see you and I hear u
maiden narwhal
I did boonless mirrorless and didn't get the dialogue for mirrorless bc boonless...
neh i couldn't care less about the dialogue i'd probably skip it from force of habit anyway
i just want to do it
real bough
neh i couldn't care less about the dialogue i'd probably skip it from force of h...
hmm ngl man
you should oughtta slow down a bit
listen to the dialogs and the voice in your head like: man, waht am I doing with my life
steep condor
smell the roses on the way
real bough
Hades on netflix iphone coming out rn
"dayum Asphodelt looks to detailed"
"even my iphone is emitting hot waves of heat just like ingame"
proven flower
Does hades netflix support cross saves? :o
jaunty sparrow
It supports melting your face
proven flower
I guess that’s a no.
jaunty sparrow
Idk
proven flower
It doesn’t. It just finished installing for me.
stiff obsidian
ong
dusty ledge
Excited about mobile hades. Will it support synching with the other accounts? I currently play on pc and switch and love how they sync progress
proven flower
It doesn’t seem to support cross saves. I wonder why though.
drowsy flame
Asking for a friend; is the iOS version compatible with Vision Pro? How’s that experience?
mint coral
I need someone to unlock gy asap just to see if the spin bug is there
latent moon
lmfao
wary iron
i'll try to do it tomorrow
proper tusk
got to elysium on run 3 of mobile hades
this is hard lol
one dash sucks and it sucks more when i keep pressing cast instead of dash
keen mortar
i feel like pressing dash twice too quickly makes me lose out on some distance, is this true
lavish sorrel
one dash sucks and it sucks more when i keep pressing cast instead of dash
1dash the best tho 
fervent radish
i feel like pressing dash twice too quickly makes me lose out on some distance, ...
I don’t think so
Maybe with hypersprint
proven lichen
What's the general advice on reroll policy? Both without and with Underworld Customs? I often find that if I save my rerolls for miniboss rooms then I have rerolls left at the end which is just a waste, but if I use them too aggressively I get punished by Underworld Customs or just not getting a duo I wanted
I've adopted a "never reroll twice" policy which helps but I feel like I'm not getting enough juice out of my rerolls
stiff obsidian
depends on what you are building towards
mint coral
Just get everything w/o rolling
stone rune
ur right
upper wolf
Rerolls depend on a lot of things
I avoid using them early
Because I want to use them on hermes mainly
And early "bad" boons can still be filler for core slots or UC, or even genuinely help for a bit before falling off and being sold
I roll Chaos if the curse is too much, but otherwise I only roll hermes to get lucky
And I keep/use one or two rerolls for UC
Then on some builds like merciful end I roll more aggressively on miniboss and such if the duo is open
also, rerolls at the end are NOT a waste. You can use them to refill your charon wells for more items
keen mortar
just be like me and not have enough keys to get rerolls, problem solved
chilly zephyr
Ok this is the first time I think it has happened to me in 30-40 tries and a few completions
But I forgot to pick up reward from a chest
Which makes me wonder why it doesn't just automatically pick things up when you proceed
Only case I can think of is using the "low hp" boon and not picking up food, but then just make an exception for food
mint coral
I think is just byproduct of letting you leave mid chest encounter
latent moon
yeah you're allowed to just leave during the encounter lmao
it's like a bonus encounter and you're not obligated to actually do it so you can just leave
lavish sorrel
*obols
chilly zephyr
Nah it was gems in my case but the comic fits
mint coral
Who's the artist
stiff obsidian
accurate
void vigil
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/972/060/635
if this art isnt yours, please link to the artists post 
chilly zephyr
if this art isnt yours, please link to the artists post <:shadesmile:52044798272...
No idea it's linked on the "Know your meme hades" site
Would've linked original else
upper wolf
https://twitter.com/shirokumani/status/1340961796752953345 first thing that comes up with a reverse image search 🤷♂️
Twitter
stiff obsidian
rt
void vigil
yep yep its h0lyhandgrenade
latent moon
@rustic vale can you test on switch if the guan yu deflect bug works there too
bc apparently the rocket deflect bug is a thing on switch too
mint coral
It didn't from what I remember
mint coral
I'm bad at eris
Also no mod menu so I had forced rocket
But also I'm def checking if shackle doesn't answer
mint coral
I still have like 2 hours before I'm home so lol
latent moon
since speedcord said that the rocket one happens on switch
mint coral
Yeah I saw
latent moon
festive
mint coral
Hades truly the game that keeps on giving
The thought of ios patching the bugs is hilarious
(even if it's surely the same lol)
chilly zephyr
Dusa deserves a hug :c