h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

It’s only unfair till it’s not tbh

[lavish sorrel]

Or if you're using a bow you can use special and slowly but surely chip away health while destroying the projectiles with your attack

[rustic vale]

Ih. Yeah I have triple bomb

Yes I got spreadfire

Only took till asphodel

Ely

Whateve

[jaunty sparrow]

Shop or Hermes

[remote lily]

So I have 3 days to buy Apple xd? 🤔 Xd 😂

[rustic vale]

Hermes

Shoot it’s em3 with a melee aspect what am I cooking

[jaunty sparrow]

lol

Wait

I’m at the boss.

I should have went shop

So I died

I hate that hydra

The fact there’s nowhere to stand

[rustic vale]

honestly I have no clue how the em3 fight just went so smoothly

[fervent radish]

What

[fervent radish]

The arena is huge

There’s plenty of places to stand

[rustic vale]

it's actually huge tbh

[jaunty sparrow]

Yea

[fervent radish]

Irritatingly huge

[jaunty sparrow]

Until it’s covered in fire

HOW

it is tiny

[fervent radish]

Only so much can be covered in fire

[jaunty sparrow]

You got the big things in the middle

Then the hydras appear

And the whole place is covered

[rustic vale]

it's actually so huge that speedruns choose to use a smaller arena

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Our definitions of completely covered might be different then

[jaunty sparrow]

What

I’m on about the small hydra arena

When the other heads come out

[fervent radish]

What

[jaunty sparrow]

And you got nowhere semi safe to stand

[rustic vale]

the size of the arena never changes

[jaunty sparrow]

Cuz they shoot fire into the ground

[fervent radish]

I thought you never cleared before

[jaunty sparrow]

I’ve beat the hydra

[rustic vale]

if you mean the small magma lakes

those are temporary

[fervent radish]

No like

[jaunty sparrow]

Yea they’re still there

[fervent radish]

https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/hades/1/1b/20201014001736_1.jpg?width=1280

You’re talking about this arena right

[jaunty sparrow]

Okay now put heads on the side

Then make them and the boss spit fire

[rustic vale]

and the arena is still massive

[jaunty sparrow]

And now the entire place is covered

[fervent radish]

Yeah but like

[jaunty sparrow]

And you can’t sit still

And you’re using the gun

[fervent radish]

You shouldn’t just be sitting still

[rustic vale]

you should never be sitting still

[jaunty sparrow]

So you need to sit still to attack

The gun makes you

[fervent radish]

Try tidal dash fr

[rustic vale]

you don't need to sit stil

you should be dashing striking 24/7

[jaunty sparrow]

No stfu about that loser Poseidon

He’s a stupid butt face loser

[rustic vale]

you can dash while firing

[jaunty sparrow]

And he’s a weak butt head

And a poop

[fervent radish]

Bro will not stop throating ares

Idk what to tell you. Just kill the heads faster

[jaunty sparrow]

I tried poseidons special

Ruined the spear

[fervent radish]

Wow

[rustic vale]

first tdash pom is styx tunnel 1

[rustic vale]

well the issue is pos is only good on things that aren't attack and special

[fervent radish]

Almost like we told you the dash is one of the only useful things from Poseidon

[jaunty sparrow]

Wow

And there’s still better dashes

[rustic vale]

there aren't

[jaunty sparrow]

Athena’s dash

[fervent radish]

No lol

[rustic vale]

nothing will work better for damage than tdash

[fervent radish]

Dead things can’t hurt you

[jaunty sparrow]

Yea but why would I need the damage

[rustic vale]

athena dash is for defensve it' different

[jaunty sparrow]

I can do more damage with my attack or special

[fervent radish]

Because you’re struggling with tiny learnie heads

Not necessarily

[upper wolf]

Bro you should just go watch some high level plays lol

[rustic vale]

its good aoe, good damage, and it's on an action you do 24/7 anyways (dashing(

[jaunty sparrow]

Ngl

Medusa in this game sucks

It’s a floating head who’s always flustered

[fervent radish]

It’s just a story component tbh

[upper wolf]

Somebody should link any Speedrun that uses tidal dash instead of arguing

[rustic vale]

would you rather just have tisiphone 2.0 but with snakes?

[fervent radish]

But yeah I guess if you were expecting something scarier

[upper wolf]

death for you

[jaunty sparrow]

Who

[mint coral]

Green meg

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh

Nah more like

Always flirty?

Idk

[fervent radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=774zhix2IPM

:croven:

[jaunty sparrow]

Time for a spear spin build

Idk how to do that

[stiff obsidian]

run 3 in a row with no patty

what even is the point

[rustic vale]

oh this could be the run

[stiff obsidian]

i will get bballs anyway

[rustic vale]

this could be a 5 sack

[jaunty sparrow]

What keepsake

For a spin build

[rustic vale]

which spear

[jaunty sparrow]

Hades

[nocturne kelp]

EXECUTION

[rustic vale]

spin builds are awkward tbh

[nocturne kelp]

EXECUTION.

[jaunty sparrow]

Stfu

She’s mid and I stand by it

She should have been a boss

[rustic vale]

I'd probably try something like athena strike artemis special, hope for exploding launcher and charged skewer since Hades buff won't affect the spin itse;f

[jaunty sparrow]

I didn’t even know she existed

I thought she was just a late game boss

Wait I’m confused

If I don’t take a keepsake that forces a god

I get a hammer?

[mint coral]

Nah

Just chance for hammer to show up

[jaunty sparrow]

So I’ve just got a hammer 2 times in a row

Instead of a god

[mint coral]

20% I think? Dunno

[rustic vale]

shoot

[stiff obsidian]

u mean dusa?

i agree

[rustic vale]

how'd I end up with a full call

oh cuz its' pos call

and I just took a huge chunk of damage from hl5 hades with boiling point

[jaunty sparrow]

Why do I never see hammers

Like how rare are they

[rustic vale]

can only see 2 per run

but

if you don't take it it'll come back

and the game tries to get you to see them

[jaunty sparrow]

That’s annoying

[rustic vale]

so they aren't rare

[mint coral]

Also 2nd hammer is ely+ only

[mint coral]

Do you have dark foresight yet @jaunty sparrow

(mirror skill)

[jaunty sparrow]

Uh what’s that

[rustic vale]

mirror upgrades

[mint coral]

3rd to last mirror skill green side

Opposite of olympian favor

[jaunty sparrow]

I think maybe

[rustic vale]

makes u see more gold laurels (in game boosts) than blue laurels (out of run currency(

[jaunty sparrow]

I can check

Wait

Green side?

[rustic vale]

yeah

[latent moon]

Yes

[rustic vale]

each upgrades has an opposiing side

can only have one or the other active at once

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh

Didn’t know that

[rustic vale]

you may not have unlocked it yet

[jaunty sparrow]

Lemme guess

[mint coral]

Or have unlocked it and completely missed it like me

[jaunty sparrow]

Beat the game?

[mint coral]

Nah

[rustic vale]

no

[mint coral]

Is a convo with Nyx

[rustic vale]

it's a dialogue from Nyx

[mint coral]

"your connection with the mirror has grown stronger"

Gets a big banner pop up

[rustic vale]

did Zag just die of iron deficiency

[jaunty sparrow]

Is that how they keep keys relevant?

[rustic vale]

"So joyfully did Zagreus attempt to gain the surface that, why, he just rose too quickly; and we know how that one goes, from Icarus' tale"

[rustic vale]

no

keys and other currencies are kept relevant by attaching in-run boosts to each

eventually

• work orders

and the 325k darkness + a crap ton of each other currency to get all the Resource Director Rank

[mint coral]

Also trades

[rustic vale]

Noob did you know Zag dies of iron deficiency before like 5 minutes ago

[mint coral]

New one for me

[jaunty sparrow]

How

[rustic vale]

.

[mint coral]

Post credits deaths

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh

Yay back to asp

[rustic vale]

aight what do I cook with my next run

just did spreadfire shackle

[jaunty sparrow]

Spear

[stiff obsidian]

tart EA. you love to see it

[mint coral]

Hermes won't like that

[rustic vale]

Chaos will remember that

[jaunty sparrow]

Well

Found how to easily beat the witches circle

Just use Athena strike with spear of hades spin

Knocks every projectile on screen back

[maiden narwhal]

shackle is boosting er?

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1218640040100368415/image.png?ex=660865fa&is=65f5f0fa&hm=11412c8a916ffa906e57f2a34b92baa52dae6b217f1338da2d55c2e53df98e72&

i hate my life

[rustic vale]

yeah

[rustic vale]

speaking of tart EA

guess who also got it

[stiff obsidian]

guess im selling it

along with a portion of my soul

[maiden narwhal]

nice ok

is it still considered boonless if i couldn't avoid poseidon cast and then i lodged it in alecto?

[rustic vale]

I mean

boonless is your personal thing tbh

[maiden narwhal]

well do YOU consider it boonless

[rustic vale]

you can either use communities standards, the in-games standards, or your own

I never consider just straight shackle boonless tbh

I consider it shackle

wouldn't discredit actual boonless players for it

[maiden narwhal]

so when you play boonless you don't play shackle?

[rustic vale]

no you do

but

you can play shackle without playing boonless

and

a shackle run to me

is just avoid attack/special/cast cores

and use shackle the full run

if you get forced into it

avoid using that core

and sell it asap

which still meets standards for in-game boonless tbh because the game doesn't track whehter or not you use the boons

it just tracks whether or not you have any you can purge when you hit Hades

[jaunty sparrow]

Boom

No more autocorrect

[nocturne kelp]

Congratulations

[jaunty sparrow]

Im coming to beat you up

[maiden narwhal]

lmao for explosive return switching left and right click is actually pretty great

[fervent radish]

Lol

[maiden narwhal]

i'm doing this

but

i got stuck with divine dash

[fervent radish]

I personally like attack on right click bc aiming is a lot better

[maiden narwhal]

and that's not exactly something you can not use

[maiden narwhal]

really
for now it's fine because it's only 27 heat

i'll try what it's like at 50

[fervent radish]

Sorry attack on left click

Special on right

[maiden narwhal]

oh that's default

but for explosive return with zeus shield, special on left is pretty cool

[fervent radish]

Main point is just having special be accessible

[maiden narwhal]

you can spam it properly

[fervent radish]

Ye

[jaunty sparrow]

Ohhhh

[maiden narwhal]

ok so i forgot it was such low heat

[jaunty sparrow]

Theres buttons

Ok the side

[rustic vale]

I love not getting lernie taxes by

[jaunty sparrow]

Of the mirror

[fervent radish]

That’s crazy

[jaunty sparrow]

To swap em

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[maiden narwhal]

i am 100% sure lodging my pos cast in alecto made no difference to the outcome of my run

[jaunty sparrow]

I thought it was like

[maiden narwhal]

so i don't mind that i did that

[jaunty sparrow]

An entire mirror flip

[rustic vale]

I love when I don't get lernie taxxed on spear

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1218643659772264478/image.png?ex=66086959&is=65f5f459&hm=7bcc346cd3c60bbbb462e64b92c5d829472f033cfd93c831dc478e90e42cf00b&

apparently, i acorn started

but got dio first god anyway

[rustic vale]

beeg brain

[maiden narwhal]

i got forced into artemis call but i just unbound f

[stiff obsidian]

i didnt know until i saw the shield in the bossfight lmao

[fervent radish]

I’ve done that on zeus shield lol

[jaunty sparrow]

None of em look better than the mormal side

[fervent radish]

Acorn start but still got zeus

[stiff obsidian]

only 2 charges used 😎

[fervent radish]

Fiery presence, and then like the bottom half of the mirror is best green

Excluding gods pride

[jaunty sparrow]

No

[fervent radish]

Yes tell me more

[stiff obsidian]

new zagrail wr has abyssal blood ultra based

[stiff obsidian]

NO i switched to tooth 😭 😭 😭 now i cant use acorn for hades

1e r f

[fervent radish]

1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12

Are the ones that you either always or sometimes want green

[jaunty sparrow]

Wait 1?

Thats a huge L

[maiden narwhal]

damn should've switched them back for asterius

blocking and bullrush are weird with right click

[jaunty sparrow]

No backstab dmg

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-imposter-imposter-among-us-sus-among-us-sus-gif-158167910449982651

[mint coral]

Backstab isn't that good really

[jaunty sparrow]

Better than a 1 time dmg boost

You can only use the dmg against an undamage foe once

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[mint coral]

The less moves you need to kill an enemy the better

[fervent radish]

Can zeus special backstab?

[mint coral]

Fiery allows that

[mint coral]

Nah

[jaunty sparrow]

So youre saying

With fiery

I can just

[fervent radish]

Ok yeah shadow Garbo then

[mint coral]

If it's AoE it can't basically

[jaunty sparrow]

Ignore sodgibg

[fervent radish]

Rip

[jaunty sparrow]

Since ill be one shotting everyone

[fervent radish]

Huh

Not everyone

[mint coral]

If you were playing hestia maybe lol

[jaunty sparrow]

Then its useless

If it doesnt one shot why

[fervent radish]

But it helps with breakpoints on smaller tart enemies, spreaders etc

[mint coral]

Shadow is mostly used for heat

Where getting the fiery hit is hard/bosses are difficult again

No hestia rails don't use shadow at all tho

Cuz your special can't backstab

And a +50% on 10 dmg pellets is lmao

[stiff obsidian]

you use shadow presence with dc2

[fervent radish]

Because you can one shot some things and 50% backstab when stuff is chasing you anyways is sorta garbage

[jaunty sparrow]

Spear always gets backstab

On throws

[mint coral]

Your special hits like a wet noodle

Unless exploding+ charged

And exploding can't backstab (pretty sure)

[maiden narwhal]

boo dad killed me

how dare

[jaunty sparrow]

Nah

[mint coral]

It has 15 base dmg

[jaunty sparrow]

Backstab + artemis = like 300 per backstab

[mint coral]

Nvm it's 25 lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

Use charged shot

Multiple boons to up dmg

It gets spicy

[mint coral]

You still need to do the recall each time

Which is annoying

[jaunty sparrow]

Its not that slow

[mint coral]

Sure

[jaunty sparrow]

Maybe im biased

I jsit like it

Aint done me wrong

[fervent radish]

It just feels unintuitive and sluggish to have to recall an attack

That’s why exploding launcher is ideal

[stiff obsidian]

6th asdvubuuter fulyl in a row

im going to play anyheat from here on

[fervent radish]

I say that and then every seed just sucks

And I suck

[stiff obsidian]

im so frustrtied

all i want is a good savestate

ive been trying for a week now

its so frustrating when you play for like 3-4 months with 0 progress in anything

[fervent radish]

What heat

50?

[grand crystal]

havent played this game in like a year or so at this point

https://imgur.com/a/zqF1F8W

holy mother of fresh file hell mode

now i hope i dont choke

[stone rune]

nice build u got going there

could use some green grass

[mint coral]

Orange boon ‼️

[grand crystal]

damn i died 😔

messed up the hug on halfway through 2nd phase

shouldnt of even tried it tbh

[stiff obsidian]

going to do 45 at this point

ANOTHEer one thatt diseont egt patty :Smiley

[jaunty sparrow]

Whats a good sword build

[stiff obsidian]

merciful end

[jaunty sparrow]

Whats thst

Also finally got all the god starts

[stiff obsidian]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[jaunty sparrow]

Thats just a bunch of yapping

[fervent radish]

||tidal dash||

[stone rune]

nyaanyaa message

[fervent radish]

Room temp iq kind of response

[jaunty sparrow]

All you need to do for a build

Is say the boons

And the hammer upgrades

Boom done

[fervent radish]

That’s what the document does

But for every aspect

[jaunty sparrow]

You do not need paragraph after paragraph of yapping

[stone rune]

brio

[jaunty sparrow]

I dont want that

[stone rune]

bro

me when im illiterate

[fervent radish]

I’m sorry you never learned to read

Not our problem tho

[jaunty sparrow]

I learned to read

[fervent radish]

Bit too late then probably

[proper tusk]

get ares attack then get athena special then get merciful end (duo) then get athena dash then get impending doom them do lots of dash strikes and stuff

[jaunty sparrow]

Wow thanks

[fervent radish]

Also I literally told you tidal dash is a good sword build

[jaunty sparrow]

That was simple and well written

And well formatted

[fervent radish]

Bro can’t read

[jaunty sparrow]

You say it’s good for everything

[stone rune]

it is

lol

[fervent radish]

Because it is

Lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

I say i dont like poseiden

[fervent radish]

This guy

You being wrong isn’t our fault

[jaunty sparrow]

Opinions cant be wrong

My opinion is i dont like poseidon

[fervent radish]

Yeah but your justification was that he knocks stuff away so you can’t kill them

1. It’s just how the boon is
2. Your dps means you can kill most stuff easily
3. Knock stuff against barriers

“I don’t like Poseidon” can’t be wrong, but “I don’t like Poseidon because X, Y, and Z” can

Anyways, tidal dash. I rest my case

[maiden narwhal]

if you want to have Opinions

don't ask for "good" builds

[jaunty sparrow]

Dude stfu

I asked for a good build

I didnt ask for cheese

I want to be able to do damage

Whole still having fun

[fervent radish]

Fun is subjective

[jaunty sparrow]

Pressing x while going in circles isnt fun to me

[fervent radish]

Tidal dash is fun for me

[proper tusk]

tidal dash is like

[fervent radish]

You don’t just have to dash

[proper tusk]

the single most fun boon

[fervent radish]

Dash strike

[proper tusk]

run around and splash things

[upper wolf]

brug

[jaunty sparrow]

You can do that with all of poseidons things

[stiff obsidian]

thats a funny way to say im too lazy to read on my own and want everything spoonfed to me

[fervent radish]

Yeah but tidal dash is the only widely applicable one

[upper wolf]

yo there's a lot of grass touching that's needed there

[jaunty sparrow]

Sorry let me rephrase my question

[upper wolf]

no need to get angry at a noob, even if he's stubborn and kinda rude

[jaunty sparrow]

Can someone please give me a good build that isn’t cheese for the zag sword

[upper wolf]

just ignore and move on

[fervent radish]

I’m literally standing on grass

[upper wolf]

are you touching it though

[fervent radish]

Now I am

[upper wolf]

good

[jaunty sparrow]

I aint stubborn for wanting fun

[upper wolf]

keep on doing that

[fervent radish]

Anyways

[jaunty sparrow]

Ive only really used the spear

[fervent radish]

Aphro on attack

Artemis somewhere else

[jaunty sparrow]

If i cannot beat the duo

[fervent radish]

Heart rend

Have fun

[jaunty sparrow]

With any of the weapons

[fervent radish]

But unlock nemesis

[jaunty sparrow]

Then ill relent

And use the dash

[fervent radish]

Fun ceiling much higher without tidal dash

[jaunty sparrow]

Because they really really annoy me and I really want them desd

Whats aphro

[fervent radish]

Aphrodite

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh

Why

[fervent radish]

Largest % boost in the game

[jaunty sparrow]

Goddamnit

Than is talking to hypnos

He’s the only one i need to give nectar to

And Dusa

Whwnever i have nectar they aint sround

Why do i keep starting with hammers

[fervent radish]

Are they bad hammers

[jaunty sparrow]

Eh

I got flurry slash

[mint coral]

bad hammer then

[jaunty sparrow]

Currently tryna fill out the codex

And get the keepsakes maxed out

Before fully committing to a run

[upper wolf]

Valid

[jaunty sparrow]

Once i have them all and at max strength

[mint coral]

Fwiw god keepsakes don't need the maxing

[jaunty sparrow]

Then i wont have to worry about then

[jaunty sparrow]

Still

Those ones will naturally happen

[mint coral]

I say it cuz it's kinda a slog upgrading most

Most from the house lol

[jaunty sparrow]

Lol

Meg is dead

Ive completed the spiked collar now im doing the myrmidon bracer

GAH

i missed my chance

[rancid axle]

What does pomming Hunter's Mark from 100% to 103% do?

Just nothing?

[stiff obsidian]

wow

yeah nothing

[rancid axle]

Yeah got epic HM then pommed, then Eurydice, then more poms lol

[mint coral]

Big mark

[fervent radish]

Big

[hasty dirge]

damn the theseus and bull of minos fight was so tough

took up all 3 of my death defiances

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[brisk trail]

_ _

[brisk trail]

did you fight asterius before you fought them both or not?

[hasty dirge]

who was that again?

[brisk trail]

the minotaur

or the bull of minos if you call it that

[hasty dirge]

yeah

[brisk trail]

was it high heat or not

[hasty dirge]

what

[brisk trail]

have you not escaped yet

[hasty dirge]

no i havent

[brisk trail]

oh

in that case

what weapon did u use

[hasty dirge]

beowulf

or the gloves

[brisk trail]

use varatha

if you can then get Achilles aspect

or just get better

[hasty dirge]

whats that

[brisk trail]

the spear

[hasty dirge]

oh

[brisk trail]

it's really good

[hasty dirge]

achilles aspect?

[brisk trail]

especially with an unreasonable amount of Athena boons

[brisk trail]

something you can get using titans blood

[hasty dirge]

i have one

where can i get it

[brisk trail]

where skelly is

where the infernal arms are

[hasty dirge]

achilles aspect

[hasty dirge]

wait

its just the spear

[mint coral]

Do you have access to aspects yet or no

[stiff obsidian]

he said he used beowulf

[hasty dirge]

OHH

[hasty dirge]

i dont think so

[stiff obsidian]

[hasty dirge]

mb i shouldnt have said beowulf

[mint coral]

I assume you haven't unlocked rail yet?

[hasty dirge]

yes

oh the gun?

if you meant the gun, i did

WAHT

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME FIGHTING HADES

[mint coral]

Have fun

[hasty dirge]

NOO

I ALMOST BEAT HIM

ARGH

this sucks

[stiff obsidian]

no one say anything

[rustic vale]

anything

[stiff obsidian]

youre not no one

[hasty dirge]

oh

[rustic vale]

That’s what the cyclops’ said

[hasty dirge]

let me guess

[stiff obsidian]

😭

[hasty dirge]

he has a second phase

anyway

i can access aspects now

what should i get

[mint coral]

Fav weapon?

[hasty dirge]

sword, spear and exagryph

[stiff obsidian]

eris

[stiff obsidian]

also thats half the weapons

[hasty dirge]

yes

i bought both the aspect of achilles and hades

[stiff obsidian]

[brisk trail]

Yo guys if u equip certain aspects can u only get upgrades from the hammer relating to the buff?

[stone rune]

no

[brisk trail]

When i equipped hades aspect i can only get spinning related buffs

[mint coral]

Some hammers may be blocked if they'd mess with the aspect

Hades spear can't get flurry for example

[latent moon]

you can still get extending jab on hades spear iirc

flurry on hades spear kinda just ruins the whole purpose of the aspect so you can't get flurry lmao

[hasty dirge]

lmao

i actually

used extending jab on hades spear the first time i used it

and i agree

[brisk trail]

Oh dang, imma jst switch achilles

I liked hades spear since of the spin tbh

[brisk trail]

Do i need to max out bouldy’s relationship to free sisyphus

[devout torrent]

nope

[brisk trail]

Dude i was i going on a run for my fated list n i literally got 114%+ special dmg from aphrodite

Nvm i died because of lava, rip op blessing

[maiden narwhal]

she'll be back

[brisk trail]

I beat hades the 3rd time rahhhhh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/329403875117236225/1218813357486899260/IMG_3865.png?ex=66090764&is=65f69264&hm=9cb831a91f8665bf389bd90eec326a799d0310ef400c7cb46f60f67c8a6cbaae& rate the build ( non of it synergies but it still worked )

[jaunty sparrow]

I swear ive seen flurry with hades

Well actually

It explains why i couldnt find it for a while

[stone rune]

10/10 rod

[jaunty sparrow]

If i use ares attack with athena special can i get the duo boon

[stone rune]

yes

[jaunty sparrow]

Good

And ill grab flurry and tripple

[fervent radish]

Yk what else would be great on the spear

[jaunty sparrow]

[fervent radish]

Lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

Zeus call

And Dionysus dash

[stone rune]

nasty dash sucks

take tdash

[jaunty sparrow]

[stone rune]

what

why would u defend nasty dash

its garb

[jaunty sparrow]

Nah i just hate poseidon

Hes a trash dude who is a copy

Bro stole the weapon of hades

Not literally

[fervent radish]

See big number—>take boon

This will carry you through much of hades

[jaunty sparrow]

Maybe athena dash

[brisk trail]

Wait can u just keep dying n dying over n over so u can get dialogue from the people at the house?

[jaunty sparrow]

Probably

[fervent radish]

I guess

[latent moon]

yeah some people do that

[fervent radish]

Not a ton of fun tho imo

[latent moon]

from what i've seen it makes people more frustrated tho than actually playing the game lmao

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

Lmao

[latent moon]

decent core boons, no poms on jolted kinda unfortunate lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

Why

[latent moon]

it's honestly not a bad build

[latent moon]

bc by reseting for dialogue like that you're not like actively playing the game

[jaunty sparrow]

True

[fervent radish]

Why play game if don’t want play game

[jaunty sparrow]

Yk maybe zeus attack Dionysus call athena dash and ares special

[fervent radish]

Like the dialogue isn’t so great that I would ignore a perfectly fun game for it

[latent moon]

if you just play the game normally at least you get a run in while getting a chance at seeing the dialogue

[jaunty sparrow]

If imma use flurry jab

[latent moon]

ares special and athena dash aren't important for that build but that's still good

[jaunty sparrow]

Well yea but the duo boon

[latent moon]

well ares would open curse of nausea which is actually solid

[brisk trail]

Well i jst picked out random stuff n i tried getting more health to tank a lil bit lol, i didn’t rlly care about my zeus boons tbh

[latent moon]

i just wouldn't say it's important but it's not like bad i guess

[jaunty sparrow]

Can you have multiple suo boons

[latent moon]

yeah

[brisk trail]

I only used 1 death defiance during the hades fight which is a good accomplishment for me

[latent moon]

i've seen people get like 6 before

[latent moon]

nice

[jaunty sparrow]

So i can get ares and athena and ares and Dionysus

Im assuming theres one for zeus and Poseidon

[latent moon]

i'd avoid athena

[jaunty sparrow]

Why

[latent moon]

athena dio duo kinda sucks

[brisk trail]

If u gift skelly a certain amount of nectar, will he reveal where he works at

[latent moon]

muddies duo chances

[jaunty sparrow]

Sooo

[latent moon]

if you want to build around a duo, yo uwant to avoid opening up other duos

esp bad ones

[jaunty sparrow]

Get athena ares first

Or ares Dionysus

[latent moon]

neither of those gods are important for your build

start zeus

[jaunty sparrow]

Sure they are

[latent moon]

for your attack

[jaunty sparrow]

Ares is my G

[latent moon]

he's not the priority in your build

he's not doing the main damage

[jaunty sparrow]

And athena dash is just nice

And imma be spamming my special

[brisk trail]

Yo guys which god gives the most +attack dmg?

[jaunty sparrow]

Because imma use achilles aspect spear

[latent moon]

yeah but flurry jab is still doing more damage

you still spam the special to get the buff but you dont do it for the special damage

you do that to boost your attack/cast damage

[jaunty sparrow]

What buff

[latent moon]

it's in the description lmfao

[jaunty sparrow]

Of what

Ares special?

[latent moon]

achilles aspect

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh

The dash?

[latent moon]

yeah the raging rush

[jaunty sparrow]

Ah

But like uh

[latent moon]

you get a 50/75/100/125/150% boost to your attack/cast damage

which is pretty massive

[jaunty sparrow]

It doesnt hurt to have ares special

At a high lvl

[latent moon]

which is also why most achilles builds go for a cast build

it does hurt

[jaunty sparrow]

Every time i wanna dash at sn enemy they take like 150 dmg

Just more dmg

[latent moon]

bc your poms aren't going into your main damage sources

[jaunty sparrow]

Not many other specials

[latent moon]

namely static discharge and dio call

dio call has some of the best damage, but you need to put in poms into that

ares special is like last priority in your build

your priority is zeus attack (which you take at the start) and to get static discharge asap

and pom static discharge as much as possible

[brisk trail]

What’s meg’s favor?

[latent moon]

should be on the wiki idk it off the top of my head

[brisk trail]

Ight

[jaunty sparrow]

Whats static discharge

[latent moon]

zeus boon

when enemies attack they take damage

[jaunty sparrow]

Ah

Thats useful

[latent moon]

and it's a pretty sizeable amount of damage, esp against bosses which can't get hit stunned

[jaunty sparrow]

So what special then?

[sullen kettle]

sucks I can only clear with the rail 😭

[stiff obsidian]

same

[latent moon]

ares is fine, i just wouldn't force ares with a keepsake to get it

[sullen kettle]

I gotta do a special crit build cheese

[jaunty sparrow]

I wasnt gonna

[latent moon]

if you dont get a special boon dw about it

[brisk trail]

Does hypnos ever give good advice

[stiff obsidian]

yea

[jaunty sparrow]

My focus is zeus and dio

[latent moon]

just avoid dio special bc of the hangover override

[brisk trail]

Me but w spear

[sullen kettle]

damn I suck with the spear

[latent moon]

i mean "not dying" and "dodge better" is pretty good advice tbh

[jaunty sparrow]

Is there a good duo boon woth zeus and Poseidon

[latent moon]

sea storm is like

mid

not bad but not good

[jaunty sparrow]

Idk what cast to use

[stiff obsidian]

theres always only 1 duo boon between 2 gods

[latent moon]

tidal dash doesnt open it so it's automatically kinda mid

[brisk trail]

Well its pretty straight forward but yeah

[latent moon]

ares cast for hunting blades
athena cast for lightning phalanx

hunting blades and lightning phalanx can shred rooms

and bosses

[jaunty sparrow]

Who’s that

Is it a duo boon

[latent moon]

hunting blades is ares cast + artemis core boon

lighting phalanx is athena cast + zeus core boon

[jaunty sparrow]

Whats a core boon

[latent moon]

attack, special, cast, dash, or call

[jaunty sparrow]

Okay

[latent moon]

the prereqs are in your codex anyways so you can always check what you need

[jaunty sparrow]

So the best would be athen and zeus?

Since ill be using both if i can find them

[latent moon]

if you want zeus attack, yes that'd be best

[jaunty sparrow]

Because theres no room for artemis

[latent moon]

i mean there kinda is

[jaunty sparrow]

Where

[latent moon]

zeus attack, artemis special, ares cast

the special boon isn't like important lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

Apart from cast and dash

[latent moon]

just use it to open the duo

[jaunty sparrow]

Id prefer ares special

Maybe use artemis dash then?

[latent moon]

with hunting blades you quite literally do not need to hit any buttons besides special to proc the buff and cast

[latent moon]

if that opens the duo sure

but do keep in mind you're targeting a lot of boons

a lot of specific boons

like if you start zeus attack

and you see artemis and she offers special, cast, or pressure points, just take the special

dont roll over for dash

the important part is the duo, not ares special

[jaunty sparrow]

I guess

[latent moon]

also you need ares cast for hunting blades anyways, you dont want more boons from him than you already have

[jaunty sparrow]

But is lightning better

[latent moon]

since you're not starting with artemis and ares, you're making it pretty difficult to get the duo already

[latent moon]

i mean with flurry jab yeah zeus attack is better

but also i dont think you can guarantee flurry jab in your run

[jaunty sparrow]

I mean the athena bond

[latent moon]

oh lighting phalanx

generally speaking, hunting blades is considered better

[jaunty sparrow]

[latent moon]

both duos are good tho so like just pick one and stick with it

[jaunty sparrow]

I can get flurry

[latent moon]

if you start zeus, getting lightning phalanx will be a lot easier

[jaunty sparrow]

Im lucky

[jaunty sparrow]

Maybe

[latent moon]

might be better to start athena for her cast so you can actually put poms into that

[jaunty sparrow]

But i could get ares right after zeus

[latent moon]

but kinda just up to you tbh

[jaunty sparrow]

And just not see athena

[stiff obsidian]

you dont even need a cast

[latent moon]

i mean yeah rng can just happen like that lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

Doesnt hurt to have

Especially if its a good duo boon wuth it

[stiff obsidian]

yea but its just additional so dont worry about it too much

[latent moon]

generally speaking, lightning phalanx will just be easier if you start zeus since you only need 1 boon to open the duo
but if you naturally get offered ares/artemis then hunting blades is pretty easy to get from there too

[stiff obsidian]

if u get it thats awesome if you dont you have more than enough to win anyway

[jaunty sparrow]

I wont focus on cast but if rng is good ti me i wont complain

[brisk trail]

Why doesn’t meg’s sisters end up in the house

😭

[jaunty sparrow]

Did you skip dialogue

They explain why

[brisk trail]

Yes

[latent moon]

tbh this early in the game, i think it's worth focusing on the cast just to see how strong it is/can be from a new players perspective

[jaunty sparrow]

They arent like

As reasonable as meg

I think was the reason

[latent moon]

so there's the problem lmao

but yeah it's something along those lines iirc

alecto is more murderous and tis screams murderer, which isn't exactly welcome in the house

[jaunty sparrow]

And they aren’t as skilled as meg so they aren’t allowed into the house

[brisk trail]

Which is the most high dmg +%attack boon

[jaunty sparrow]

Me

Put me on a shotgun

Ill be like rocket raccooon

[latent moon]

aphrodite

her common scales better than athena and demeter rare

[wicked sage]

i would like to ask what i am doing wrong with the affinity of meg

[jaunty sparrow]

Can you see artemis in tartarsauce

[latent moon]

yeah

[wicked sage]

yes, but not with tartarsauce

[jaunty sparrow]

Is she rare?

[latent moon]

all gods are available naturally in tartarus

[wicked sage]

not at all

[jaunty sparrow]

I rarely see her

[latent moon]

1/8

just rng

[jaunty sparrow]

Ah

Why is hermes differentb

For the god of being fast he sure does appear slowly

[latent moon]

treat his boons more like a hammer you can reroll

[latent moon]

i mean you can buy him in tart

[jaunty sparrow]

Weird

[latent moon]

and he shows up before the god you force in asphodel sometimes

[wicked sage]

he does appear in tartarus, only in his acomplices's shop though

[latent moon]

which he does comment on in fact lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

He doesn’t have core boons?

[latent moon]

no

he's all support

support, speed, and dodge basically

[wicked sage]

anyways

meg will NOT show up in my chambers

just will not

[latent moon]

unfortunate

[jaunty sparrow]

Damn

[latent moon]

rng moment

[wicked sage]

ive done everything i cant

[jaunty sparrow]

Im an idiot

[wicked sage]

and i still cant get her to appear

[jaunty sparrow]

I missed my chance to give than a nectar

[latent moon]

unfortunate

[jaunty sparrow]

I thought i could only give him one in the house of hades

So i jsut talked to him right after clearing the room

And as i was talking i noticed i could press R2 to give him nectar

But i missed my chance

Im only missing i think 4 keepsakes

Dusa, Than, and the 2 on the floors above aph

Idk what they’re called

[wicked sage]

aph?

[jaunty sparrow]

Aphrodel

[wicked sage]

eurydice and who else

[latent moon]

asphodel lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

Not her i got hers

I mean the 2 floors after asp

[latent moon]

styx?

that doesnt have any keepsakes

[jaunty sparrow]

Elysium and styx?

[latent moon]

ely has 1

[jaunty sparrow]

Then who am I missing

[latent moon]

idk lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

I know i need one from than and one from Dusa

Can i get one from hades?

[wicked sage]

yes

[jaunty sparrow]

Is it a golden one

[wicked sage]

mhm

[jaunty sparrow]

So then wtf am i missing

Bouldy?

[wicked sage]

have you beaten the game yet

no bouldy doesnt have one

[jaunty sparrow]

Then who am I missing

[latent moon]

send a screenshot of your keepsake case

[jaunty sparrow]

Cant rn

And i cant send pictures

[latent moon]

you can use image embeds

[jaunty sparrow]

Im guessing i need to talk more

[latent moon]

no lol just image embeds

[jaunty sparrow]

Whats that

[wicked sage]

have you completed the game

[jaunty sparrow]

No

[latent moon]

send the image you want to send into a private server, right click the image and hit "copy link", then paste here

[wicked sage]

no like, beaten hades

[jaunty sparrow]

No

[wicked sage]

well

[jaunty sparrow]

Beating hades is beating the game

[wicked sage]

your missing zagreus's mom keepsake

[latent moon]

bruh they didn't even get to that part yet

[jaunty sparrow]

Oh right

Ice lady

[wicked sage]

how else was i gonna word it

[jaunty sparrow]

Right?

[latent moon]

tell them it's a spoiler?? or they might be missing someting else??

[wicked sage]

whoops

[latent moon]

bc we dont exactly know what theyre missing

[jaunty sparrow]

Nah dont day that

[wicked sage]

i cant really tell you

[latent moon]

you should prob stick to #h1-for-new-players btw lmao

[jaunty sparrow]

If you tell me im missing something

Imma spend hours searching

Before googling it

And getting spoiled anyway

[latent moon]

i mean we can help you without spoiling it

it's just that we'd need the screenshot of your keepsake case to know what you're missing

[jaunty sparrow]

I know about his mom anyway

[latent moon]

bc that'd make it a lot easier

[jaunty sparrow]

I can tell you 100%

[wicked sage]

you missing ||Demeter|| and ||Persephone||'s keepsake (SPOILER)

[jaunty sparrow]

I now know who im missing

[jaunty sparrow]

Bit late

[latent moon]

there's technically a third

[wicked sage]

womp womp

[latent moon]

not technically

there is a third lmao

[wicked sage]

hm?

[latent moon]

||hades' sigil of the dead||

[jaunty sparrow]

Dad?

Dada?

[wicked sage]

yes... dad

[jaunty sparrow]

Ye olde man

That one really really moody dude

Who cant handle his kid moving on

[brisk trail]

I finally got meg in my room lesgoooo

I’m close to romancing her

[jaunty sparrow]

Ew

[wicked sage]

lucky bastard

[jaunty sparrow]

Romance Than

Hes so beautiful

[wicked sage]

not his front facing look, eugh

[jaunty sparrow]

BAD

hes always beautiful

[wicked sage]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/9/9b/Thanatos.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20190314172913 well this is

[jaunty sparrow]

Daddy

Hades is my dad

Than is my daddy

[wicked sage]

(btw thats how you embed smth idk)

[wicked sage]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/b/ba/Thanatos_smile.png/revision/latest?cb=20191204200358 i would fall for than, but only if this terrible front facing didnt exist

[sullen kettle]

than and zag are beautiful

[brisk trail]

Tbh bro looks like a zombie from wwz

[sullen kettle]

so if someone takes a bad photo of you

does it ruin everything else?

[wicked sage]

mhm

[jaunty sparrow]

Lmao

[sullen kettle]

you only focus on people at their lowest 💔

[wicked sage]

i also dont like meg but im only doing her romance to get battie

[brisk trail]

Could we romance charon for cheaper prices

[wicked sage]

a

[jaunty sparrow]

True

[sullen kettle]

nah fr he is a scammer

Wait I am new to this game is romancing real

[wicked sage]

his prices arent THAT high

[sullen kettle]

I always felt some undertones from meg

I felt like she wanted zag

[jaunty sparrow]

Meg a hoe

[sullen kettle]

but I didn't know it was a real mechanic

[wicked sage]

what about dusa

[jaunty sparrow]

Romance Tisiphone

[brisk trail]

I have convenience fee on so i forgot his normal prices

[jaunty sparrow]

Dont speak her name to me

She is a disgrace compared to medusa

[brisk trail]

No

[jaunty sparrow]

They took medusa

And made her a floating simp

I would love to see a true medusa

[brisk trail]

Same

[jaunty sparrow]

Like

I dont mind them changing things

But like

The egotistical flirty mommy like medusa would be awesome to see

[brisk trail]

Hades just watered medusa n turned her into a floating cabbage

[wicked sage]

imagine if they deadass just added a body to dusa and called it a day

[jaunty sparrow]

I cant say the other version of egotistical

The one that starts with c and ends with y

And has ock jn the midde

[sullen kettle]

oh

i thought you meant

coin tie

[brisk trail]

Do we have to max out nyx to reunite orph n eury?

[sullen kettle]

idk if u can say that

but just in case

[jaunty sparrow]

Countie?

Cointie

Please dm me the word

[sullen kettle]

i just met orpheus and I asked her to sing for me

told me she didn't like the song

[jaunty sparrow]

Its gonna be annoying me for ages if tou dont

[sullen kettle]

didn't sing it

made me mad

[wicked sage]

frigg meg

[brisk trail]

She’ll sing eventually

Meg prob goes easy on zag, she’s so easy to beat

[wicked sage]

not her fighting

its her affinity

and no im not gonna romance her

[jaunty sparrow]

Ngl

[wicked sage]

rng man

[jaunty sparrow]

I love zag

Hes one of my fav protags

Like

He gets to tartar boss

Ajd he tries to guess who hes gonna fight

Like hes done it so many times its a game to him

[sullen kettle]

zag is one of my favorite protagonists for a certain reason

[jaunty sparrow]

Big pp

[stone rune]

he gets to tartar sauce

[sullen kettle]

well

I don't know about that