h1-discussion

[maiden narwhal]

i am genuinely curious

[stiff obsidian]

Goated game

[maiden narwhal]

where would i hear about it

goated?

greatest of all time'd game?

[void vigil]

Yeah

Just an evolution of that phrase

[stone rune]

went hard on 2016 slop youtube

[maiden narwhal]

ah i never used youtube for anything except music

[stone rune]

wtf

roblox speed run 4 is so popular on src

[stiff obsidian]

A

[stone rune]

https://www.speedrun.com/robloxsr4

look at this

they have 50% more runs than hades

[stiff obsidian]

I am not looking at that

[stone rune]

i just searched up "roblox" and was jumpscared by 100 active players

[maiden narwhal]

that made my cheap phone hang thanks

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_31xHK8YBCY

[maiden narwhal]

i have no idea what's going on there
but the music is nice

does it hang for you too?

[stone rune]

to some degree

it takes like a minute to load

the banner ad blocks the profile button

[maiden narwhal]

it was fine till i scrolled the table
then gg

[void vigil]

Average mobile website experience

[stiff obsidian]

Mobile discord reaction

[quasi dust]

Mobile discord is weird

[tranquil horizon]

yo does anyone have any tips to make my runs quicker? ive cleared the game about 30 or so times but my fastest time has been like 18 minutes lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Bam! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI&themeRefresh=1

[void vigil]

My fastest is 15:15 but I’m not super interested in going fast anymore

I haven’t been able to replicate it… 😭

[tranquil horizon]

oh my gods you're lovely

[jagged hamlet]

no ur lovely

[tranquil horizon]

no you are stop this foolishness

[proper tusk]

easy things you can do are always take mid biome shops and sisyphus/eurydice/patroclus

and pause whenever you’re deciding what door to take

and learn to use meg companion on bosses + minibosses

i did that and my fastest time went from 19 to 13 minutes in like 3 runs

[tranquil horizon]

alright bet thank you vv much

[upper wolf]

also use good builds

lemme fetch the holy book

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

very good advice on all aspects

[maiden narwhal]

oof this is the one i thought i had saved and couldn't find

[upper wolf]

it's literally pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[maiden narwhal]

yeah but it's not called "that one you were looking for"

let's see what it says about eris

Remap your controller! The default mapping with reload on the stick is awkward. I move Reload to the right bumper and Interact to the left. The codex can go somewhere less urgent.

what's the bumper?

in keyboard and mouse terms

is he talking about q and e or

he's saying put reload where cast goes?

that's what that other dude said too yeah

ok there's nothing new there

except apparently 50+ heat plays dio attack?

[raw thunder]

Are there any benefits to forging bonds with other characters other than quests?

[covert hare]

Companions

[upper wolf]

good feelings

[maiden narwhal]

cute little chibi drawing

[fervent radish]

Something easy to push

[maiden narwhal]

oh ok

so m1 m2

[fervent radish]

Distribute your buttons among rmb, lmb, shift, alt, space

Whatever

[maiden narwhal]

right that's why the dude said put reload on m2

[raw thunder]

Thanks

[fervent radish]

You’ll be fine

Yeah

[raw thunder]

!

[maiden narwhal]

i'm finding it awkward to get used to tho

and everytime i start trying i find delta chamber lol

[fervent radish]

Oh lol

[maiden narwhal]

i think i'll put cast on r and see what happens

[fervent radish]

That’s fair for heat

It’s mostly an efficiency thing for speed

Bc clockets

[maiden narwhal]

i have never found those

[fervent radish]

Anything on r or q is rough

[maiden narwhal]

r is good

q is hard

impossible, really

[fervent radish]

They’re both equally bad for me lol

It’s hard for rail bc there’s an extra button to press

[maiden narwhal]

i'm the exact opposite of ambidextrous

sadly

[fervent radish]

I bounced around from mb4, 5, and landed on alt

Real

[lavish sorrel]

I'm ambidextrous, I'm equally bad (very) at using both of my hands

[maiden narwhal]

anything that requires dexterity towards my left pinky (basically moving my left hand left) is hard to impossible
anything that requires dexterity towards my left thumb -- moving right -- is easy af

so i can hit r repeatedly with my left pointer. but never q with my left ring finger. can't hit shift with my left pinky.

there's this dexterity exercise piano players do where you move the wrong two fingers independently

look it up

i couldn't do that if my life depended on it

[maiden narwhal]

i'm actually brilliant with my left arm
i've run 5 racks of 8ball in a row
5 is not huge, but it's decent

i can't even feed myself with my right arm

[upper wolf]

first time trying Hades with my new mouse

Died at power couple

[maiden narwhal]

tbf
they're a nightmare

what mouse is it?

[upper wolf]

I got the double dip from 🗿

[maiden narwhal]

i need a new one

[upper wolf]

vertical mouse

I'm not really sold on it yet

[maiden narwhal]

i can never dodge him idk why i can't time that double ring

dad is way easier to dodge

[maiden narwhal]

interesting

[upper wolf]

I've been using "normal" mice for 20 years, can't easily switch

[maiden narwhal]

i wonder if anyone else has a throw grip

[upper wolf]

I had it just yesterday

[maiden narwhal]

why're you trying?

just for something new?

[upper wolf]

When panicking (ie. everytime) my reflexes tell me to click down instead of clicking along the button's axis

[upper wolf]

my old mouse was dying, I needed to change and head vertical mice are better so I wanted to try

[maiden narwhal]

let me know if they are, once you're past the learning curve

might feel more intuitive

[upper wolf]

honestly being able to get to aspho midboss on first try is promising

[maiden narwhal]

heat?

[upper wolf]

but it was "just" 40 heat

[maiden narwhal]

kek

just forty

was it expensive?

the mouse

rail question; is it better to empty your clip, or reload+dash before it's over?
is there a difference? is one animation slower than the other?

[upper wolf]

nah, mouse was cheap. 30 bucks.

It's not really any more or less expensive than horizontal ones

[maiden narwhal]

hm 2400 inr

yeah that's not expensive for a gaming mouse

low end

ok i'll see if they have

another rail question
rocket, piercing, or targetting?
dio attack

piercing will spread hangover faster, yeah?

[lavish sorrel]

be me, accomplished kbm freshfile runner

play Hades with a controller for the first time

die during an anyheat zag spear run using controller

[upper wolf]

tbh zagspear is instantly like 400 heat

unless you get explosive launcher C1 or C2

[lavish sorrel]

Ngl it feels to me playing anything on controller is "instantly like 400 heat"

I gave controller beo a try and died to furies 🗿

[fervent radish]

I don’t think the reload time is any different between manual and automatic but it’ll be easier to cancel if it’s manual prob

Try to figure out a rhythm where you can special to cancel reload

[maiden narwhal]

yes exactly

[upper wolf]

yeah, I usually reload everytime I dash. It's just a reflex at this point. Well, when I dash and have been shooting for a bit

[fervent radish]

Ideal combo is special, dash dash x2, reload-special

[maiden narwhal]

special to cancel reload?

not dash?

[upper wolf]

... I say that but sometimes I double reload when I double dash

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[maiden narwhal]

exactly i hit r every time even though i've got delta on

complete muscle memory

which is also why swirching it to mouse is hard

counterstrike muscle memory

[upper wolf]

especially when playing hestia

[maiden narwhal]

you reload after every kill

if you waste a bullet you reload

[upper wolf]

I'll go from hestia to another rail and be like "wait, I don't have to reload after literally every bullet"

[lavish sorrel]

How many times have you tried to reload, say, your bow

[upper wolf]

well, I'll think that as aspho anyway

I'm pretty sure I've tried to reload sword after a long hestia gaming session

[maiden narwhal]

your clip lasts long enough for two dashes?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[maiden narwhal]

exaclty long enough, maybe

[fervent radish]

Yeah

Start attacking and get 4 dash strikes

[maiden narwhal]

i have trouble aiming opening special

[fervent radish]

Then reload-special

[maiden narwhal]

judging distance if it's not on the horizon

[fervent radish]

Rocket bomb?

[maiden narwhal]

both

rocket bomb even hardefr

[fervent radish]

Oh

Yeah

[maiden narwhal]

but i find the normal special awkward

too slow to time

[fervent radish]

Try some speedruns with rocket bomb start

[maiden narwhal]

both cast speed and refresh rate

he should shoot from the hip

also does it gather speed?

no it doesn't

gg td3

dio attack so slow to clear

hammer seed is horrible for eris

took me 4 rooms to find an attack boon

the amount of time wastetd

lmaooo eighteen billion splitters was only wave one

this game sucks

[fervent radish]

Oh yeah dio is just ok

No multi target sucks

I would still go zeus

[maiden narwhal]

i'm going to keep trying until i get a decent build with ricochet or piercing

if that doesn't spread it fast enough then i'm not ready for ultra high heat play

[maiden narwhal]

ok i've got this rythym but now i never cast cast

barely cast special

wow ok special is much smoother when reload is on the mouse hand

but cast still completely ignored

lmao td in chamber 9

[fervent radish]

lmao

[fervent radish]

zeus is literally just better

[maiden narwhal]

it's because i'm falling asleep each new chamber

oh it's 4

no wonder

still want one dio run that doesn't end with the furies

[fervent radish]

dio is like, get one source of flat damage and just bet on that the whole run

[maiden narwhal]

at least get to heroes before i give up on it

[fervent radish]

with two duo boons

[maiden narwhal]

yaeh but it's consistently high

[fervent radish]

or zeus, where you can honestly clear if you get jolted

yeah but like

[maiden narwhal]

but jolted is consistent as well

[fervent radish]

zeus wins

[maiden narwhal]

yeah

[fervent radish]

dio isn't super worth ngl

[maiden narwhal]

so idk what this dude is saying
maybe "ultra heat" runners build different cause they're built different

[fervent radish]

oh

lee says zeus and dio are both viable

i've run both at 32 and zeus clears more comfortably

esp with BP2 and JS

[maiden narwhal]

he calls zeus speedrun and dio ultra heat

[fervent radish]

"still remains viable at high heat"

read further

[maiden narwhal]

but 32 isn't ultra heat

[fervent radish]

yeah because dio at 32+ is a slog

[latent moon]

Zeus call is better for speed because it's instant damage

[fervent radish]

i got to hades my first attempt on eris 50

[maiden narwhal]

"The ultra-high-heat special: start with Dionysus attack. Full-stack hangover with the Eris global damage boost is great. Pom the attack lots. Compared to Lightning Strike, you’re trading slower normal room clears for more consistent damage (if you don’t have Static Discharge or Splitting Bolt, bosses can be a slog). It’s still plenty fast. Ricochet Shot can be helpful to spread hangover faster. Scale up with lots of Poms, Aphrodite/Artemis duos, more flat damage (Tidal Dash?), and more global damage boosts. Going for Trippy Shot and Black Out can be fun. Watch me clear at 50 Heat with the Aspect of Eris, Drunken Strike, and Delta Chamber."

[latent moon]

Dio is better for high heat since it does more damage by itself and has bigger range

Oh wait NVM lol the attack

[fervent radish]

yeah

[latent moon]

Yeah Dio is good for heat since it's consistent

Just needs poms

Doesn't need jolted

[maiden narwhal]

yes but

[latent moon]

Both work fine tho

[maiden narwhal]

im getting hammer seeds

and finding dio in the third or fourth room

and i'm dead from td by the 9th??

because it takes so LONG to clear those first three chambers

without an attack

[fervent radish]

yeah but needing two duo boons for max damage is rough instead of just wanting 1-2 normal boons

[maiden narwhal]

yeah that's true

[fervent radish]

bro just use zeus

[maiden narwhal]

i mean.. the same thing would happen with zeus

the point is hammer seeds suck

[fervent radish]

like i tried dio at 40 or 50 and i fell asleep

well

zeus has better room cler

[maiden narwhal]

yes but i've been using zeus so much it was refreshing to have another option

i didn't know there was one

and i can't write it off because IM DYING IN CHAMBER NINE

so idk i'll try tomorrow when i'm not literally falling asleep during combat

and see

night!

[fervent radish]

ait

[rustic vale]

aphrodite is valid but artemis is not

I mean if it’s Eris

Arty makes sense for clockets

But is horrible dio scaling

Is horrible horrible dio scaling

[wicked sage]

why do speedrunners shoot cast before killing

does it make them go faster or is it related to smth else

[stone rune]

well it isnt always hte case

but in tart especially or on weapons that benefit a lot from the boiling blood the cast can help with damage a lot

[wicked sage]

k

[muted geyser]

Any tips for beating Thanatos without loosing a Dd

[stiff obsidian]

Thanatos?

[formal citrus]

It's a lot of the same skills as speed running tbh. While also knocking people out of his circle.

[maiden narwhal]

yo

if you're playing dio on eris

do you go trippy?

[stiff obsidian]

What

What do you mean by Dio on eris

[maiden narwhal]

attack

isntead of zeus

[stiff obsidian]

Idk there's no reason to take trippy

[maiden narwhal]

but this is really not it
how tf do you clear rooms fast enough with dio and dc2?

[maiden narwhal]

doesn't it synergise with a lot of dio boons

[stiff obsidian]

Boiling blood is always more important

No

[maiden narwhal]

alright

[stiff obsidian]

Not needed

[maiden narwhal]

how do you clear with dio and dc2

i keep losing to td3

[stiff obsidian]

Room clears are a bit slower

I used to die to td3 too

[maiden narwhal]

zeus bounce takes dc away before the special even hits

[stiff obsidian]

Make sure ur spreading ur damage evenly across enemies

Don't shoot the same guy more than you have to, hangover will take care of them

Past tartarus it should be easier

Tartarus has a large number of low hp enemies

[stone rune]

man i played like 0 hades today

[stiff obsidian]

Goodd

I played 0 Hades in the past 2 days

And for the next 2 days too

[stone rune]

i think i sheeted once in the mornign but that was it

[stiff obsidian]

Thataxhadss

[stone rune]

i never knew writing an exam was so hard

[stiff obsidian]

Imagine having exams

[maiden narwhal]

this is it

[stiff obsidian]

Personally

Just don't play Dio attack

The only advantage I see is less visual clutter

[maiden narwhal]

it's a change from the monotony

and it's supposed to work

[maiden narwhal]

of running zeus and rarely getting to ely

dio is heaps harder

so i must need to get better

but it's supposed to work

this guy says you can run "ultra" high heat with dio

[stiff obsidian]

It gets easier past tartarus

[maiden narwhal]

alright

will keep trying then

[stiff obsidian]

Less enemies = less dc to deal with

[maiden narwhal]

i've never gotten past chamber 12 🤌

no that's not true when the seed is not hammer, i get to furies

should i sell dem special or is it ok?

[stiff obsidian]

Doesn't hurt

U want to find ares and Aphrodite ideally

They have duo boons that increase dps of hangover

[maiden narwhal]

cool

[maiden narwhal]

ayy way faster clears

pewpew dash

you think piercing will be better than rocket, because it'll spread hangover faster?

or rocket better for the base damage?

chamber 12, td death knell

byebye, dio

is benefits package even rng, or are there weightages/conditions?

i just saw one i don't think i've seen before

[wicked sage]

any good speerunning aspects for pc

[rose roost]

beo, eris and hera are good starter for speedrunning

but use whichever aspect you enjoy or comfortable with

[stiff obsidian]

I think th ere are some combos which are not possible but that's it

[maiden narwhal]

what's the purple eye thingy?

[stiff obsidian]

In elysium?

[rose roost]

multiple purple eyeballs after blue men die

[maiden narwhal]

and why is my codex showing me "undiscovered" for mort?

[maiden narwhal]

no, tartarus

[rose roost]

oh that

[maiden narwhal]

these mobs had a round purple icon and i think a purple aura

[rose roost]

they pull u towards them iirc

[maiden narwhal]

cool

and that has as much chance to show up as anything else?

i really don't think i've seen it

345 attempts on this file

[rose roost]

dunno the chances

[latent moon]

dio on eris atk is only good bc it's consistent not bc it's fast or strong

[maiden narwhal]

lol wtf are the chances i'd randomly check scrying pool and it'd be at 345

[latent moon]

it's a very different mindset of playing compared to zeus atk

[maiden narwhal]

yeah and playstyle

playing it like zeus gets you absolutely nowhere

[latent moon]

yeah you unfortunately have to have target priority lmao

i've seen it work pretty well but if you're not on ap2 then i dont think there's a reason to use dio eris

lightning strike and jolted shouldn't be too difficult to get through ap1

might suck sometimes when it gets APed but you'll get runs that'll get it

[maiden narwhal]

i had an ap run that gave me everything i needed with a single roll
like it was programmed to

still died to lernie 🤌

feels so much worse when you die fat

[maiden narwhal]

anyone know?
i tried maxing him and still nothing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1215930266917408768/image.png?ex=65fe8a4e&is=65ec154e&hm=d9f11327a1085179e528350bf3c3e2891092f486f22ecec8df573891d9d08474&

[latent moon]

you prob have to use it

idk

[maiden narwhal]

oh

hm

i don't remember using antos but i guess i must have

[wicked sage]

for some reason when i get meg to 4 hearts the scene where she is in our chambers doesnt appear

[tepid light]

she left you on read

[wicked sage]

rip

[stiff obsidian]

Women ☕

[sour fog]

It can take a loooong time before she does

[steep condor]

it's not like than is any better about this

[upper wolf]

Womanatos ☕

[steep condor]

after having forged the bond and having multiple heart scenes w him, i thought we were fine. then yesterday he hit me with "i don't know what you want from me :/" and teleported away

toxic bf

[stiff obsidian]

Gaslighting 101

[rustic vale]

Not rlly

[rustic vale]

Same but

Month

[rustic vale]

Certain enemies can only have certain boosts

And

Certain combos are locked iirc

[stiff obsidian]

Imagine cloner speeder archers in Ely in

[rustic vale]

Imagine cloner speedwr Hades in overworls

[stiff obsidian]

Dread

[rustic vale]

[maiden narwhal]

i got one zeus boon the entire run

i was in ely with no jolted

nonsense

[maiden narwhal]

storm lightning or high voltage?

zeus call

[mint coral]

Both are kinda meh

Ig voltage has more value

Or grab highest rarity for UC profit

[maiden narwhal]

are they really?

doesn't epic storm spread jolted well?

[mint coral]

I don't think I've ever seen value from storm

[wicked sage]

high voltage probably

[steep condor]

happens to me a lot lately, someone suggested to make sure to fill all the cores

though that doesn't help if you literally only get one (1) zeus boon

[mint coral]

Yeah just gotta visit your nearest trap at that point

[vital canyon]

Ok I bought hades like... 3? days ago. And yesterday I finally reached hades the boss

Just now I finished his first phase.

[rustic vale]

[vital canyon]

Suddenly he just stands up and kills me with the wave he seems to do when he enters his second phase

...

[rustic vale]

fun

[vital canyon]

No

Not at all

[rustic vale]

now you know about it

[vital canyon]

...yeah

Well

Next try

[rustic vale]

should be able to avoid it next time

[vital canyon]

Hopefully

[rustic vale]

And every time from here on

[quasi dust]

Good luck

[vital canyon]

Thanks

[maiden narwhal]

so glad phase 3 was spoiled for me

imagine thinking you're done and then the wave from phase 3 kills you

i mean that's exactly what happened to me when he reached phase 3
but at least i knew it was coming

[mint coral]

I got that but with phase 2

Fully knew about it but well,

[upper wolf]

I don't remember for sure, but I think I was expecting hades to have 3 phases the first time I reached him (well, probably not first because I doubt I got through P1 on that time) so my reaction to P2 was more "I KNEW IT"

and I was half surprised he didn't stand up a second time

[quasi dust]

Same

Idk if this is a hot take but I like EM4 Hades

He's difficult, yes, but I like that

[mint coral]

I like his movesets but the summons are just

[quasi dust]

Yeah

I got the gorgon head like 3 times in a row

In 3 different runs

What is my luck

[stiff obsidian]

That's nice

Give me

[quasi dust]

But it's annoying gimme smth else bro

[quasi dust]

Will do

[stiff obsidian]

It's the 2nd easiest summon

[quasi dust]

*yeets gorgon head

[quasi dust]

What's the first

[stiff obsidian]

Skull crusher

[quasi dust]

Yeah fair

[stiff obsidian]

Evrythif else is harder

[mint coral]

Tfw your aspect becomes unplayable cuz the sneak appears

ik this is skill issue on my part shhh

[stiff obsidian]

Ramam momeny

[quasi dust]

Haven't gotten sneak yet thank god

[quasi dust]

Dw I getchu

Sneak annoying

[mint coral]

B.ball also are super oppresive

Dad becomes a dps race

[vital canyon]

Sooooooooooooooooo... I didn't die to his wave attack

[quasi dust]

B.ball stinky

[quasi dust]

niceee

[mint coral]

One time I used meg on the first B.ball and then he just goes and summons 2 more

[quasi dust]

Ouch

[stiff obsidian]

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Tfw

[vital canyon]

I died to his lasers

[stiff obsidian]

Yikes

[quasi dust]

That looks incredibly painful to watch

[mint coral]

Triple beam orrrr?

[stiff obsidian]

YEP

[quasi dust]

God I have a personal hatred for the stupid lasers

[vital canyon]

Yep

[quasi dust]

They killed me a buncha times when I was starting off they're hideous

[mint coral]

Is zag in the middle of all that visual noise or what

[stiff obsidian]

I don't even know anymore

[quasi dust]

Actually yea where's Zag

Zag begone

[vital canyon]

Yeah, I mean I had no death defience (is that what it's called? I play it on another language) charges anymore by the time I reached phase 2, and he just used his homing lasers.

[quasi dust]

Yes death defiance you're good

[vital canyon]

Alright thanks

[quasi dust]

That's tough man

[vital canyon]

Also how many tries is avarage to beat the game?

[mint coral]

35-50 ig?

Doesn't matter really

[quasi dust]

I've no idea

Depends on skill ig

[vital canyon]

ok alright

[mint coral]

What keepsake were you using?

[vital canyon]

The skelly tooth

At the end at least

[mint coral]

Do you have Eurydice's?

[vital canyon]

I think so

What does it do?

[quasi dust]

Eurydice's has saved me more times than I can count tbh

[mint coral]

Blocks 3/4/5 hits on the boss chamber

[quasi dust]

Yep

[vital canyon]

Ahhhh

[stiff obsidian]

I took 87

[vital canyon]

Yes i have it

[mint coral]

Dad weakest hit is 20

[vital canyon]

Alright thanks

[quasi dust]

I'm sorry what

20

[vital canyon]

...

Whelp

[mint coral]

So unless you get hit by summons you'd end up even with tooth

[quasi dust]

(I use god mode)

[mint coral]

Skull shockwave

[quasi dust]

Goddamn

That's a lotta damage

[vital canyon]

Yep

[mint coral]

And getting hit by the skull directly iirc

[vital canyon]

A lot

[mint coral]

And boiling blood just doubles all dmg you take so acorn value skyrockets

[stiff obsidian]

Skull hit does 50 on hl5 iirc

[vital canyon]

What weapon did you all beat the game with?

[mint coral]

Fists cast build

[quasi dust]

I only activated it after beating the main story cuz I'd left the game for a while and needed some kind of advantage but 20????

[mint coral]

(talos blizzard shot)

[stiff obsidian]

Erissss

Zeus

[quasi dust]

Probably Achilles spear, I don't remember but it was one of my most used aspects at one point

[vital canyon]

'Cause I tried shield at first but changed it to spear now

[stiff obsidian]

My true first clear was 87th attempt just turtling with shield but I don't count that

[tepid light]

WELCOME TO THE RANKS OF THE REAL GAMERS, BROTHER

[quasi dust]

🫡

[vital canyon]

What's EM4?

[stiff obsidian]

Spoiler

[quasi dust]

Extremer measures 4

Is that spoiler

Crap

Ok I'll shut up

[vital canyon]

Ah, doesn't matter

[quasi dust]

Still

My bad

[vital canyon]

The name tells me nothing

[stiff obsidian]

Extra difficulty modifer

[quasi dust]

You'll see it eventually

[vital canyon]

It's alright

Ok

Also

What is ambrosia for?

[quasi dust]

Gifting

Like nectar

[vital canyon]

But I can't gift it to the people I maxed out the nectar gifting with

[quasi dust]

It's after a certain point

[vital canyon]

Ah

[quasi dust]

I can't remember rn I think it was after locked heart but I might be wrong

[vital canyon]

Yeah, I've reached the locked heart with a few characters, but I can't gift them ambrosia

[quasi dust]

You have to do their favor iirc

[vital canyon]

?

[quasi dust]

Ok so like

My knowledge is rusty I'm sorry but its basically like a request

From said character

[vital canyon]

And how do you get that request?

Or is it after beating the game?

[mint coral]

They are in theme of the character/can often be summarized to "just keep talking"

Charon for example is spending 10k

[vital canyon]

In one run?

[quasi dust]

Yea basically

[granite ether]

spoilers are allowed in this channel :3

[mint coral]

A few of them are also delivered as prophecies

[mint coral]

Overall

[vital canyon]

Ah

That's easy though

[mint coral]

Getting 10k requires you to not spend money in the first place

Yeah the favor itself is not hard most of the time

[quasi dust]

Oh yeah ik dw I just got scared I was gonna spoil it for Arian

[mint coral]

Is the dialogue rng

[quasi dust]

Yep

[granite ether]

ahh gotcha gotcha

[vital canyon]

By the way I entered this channel knowing I could get spoiled. So, if i get spoiled,, it's my own fault.

Just maybe don't ping me with a spoiler or something

[quasi dust]

Gotcha

I'll do my best🫡

[dire elk]

Guys!

Guys I no longer suck at playing my lyre!

🎉

[void vigil]

🥳

[tepid light]

prove it, otherwise you're a lyre

[dire elk]

Erm

I guess that I could record it

Can't wait to rickroll Orpheus

[quasi dust]

Saw a gilgamesh funko pop but no fists

Inaccurate /j

[dire elk]

So uh

Is aspect of gigamesh bear or cat paws

Bc it looks like cats paws

[quasi dust]

Idk I always thought they were bear

They're definitely beast paws that's for sure

[dire elk]

(thank you Theseus)

[lavish sorrel]

@fringe dust what animal's paws are gilga fists

[maiden narwhal]

bear claws

[upper wolf]

iirc enkidu was likened to a wolf ?

[quasi dust]

Wikipedia says he was bull-like??

Maybe I misread but I definitely read bull in there

Wtv its wikipedia

[upper wolf]

indeed

whereas I am a renowned scholar on mesopotamian myths

[quasi dust]

I also found this

[upper wolf]

source : I was there

[quasi dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210533615977496596/1216061814274658485/20240309_173502.jpg?ex=65ff04d1&is=65ec8fd1&hm=e1c946fb127958229a4bf3a594f1fd1cbdd3cef019523aec64635fa01b281c51&

Idk

I mean he was definitely some sort of beast or Wild Man as they call him

[upper wolf]

yeah

don't look up how he became civilized

[quasi dust]

I won't

I just wanna know if they're bear claws or not lol

[brisk trail]

............

[rustic vale]

They’re clearly trex arms

[maiden narwhal]

gg i'm done

let's see what pyre's like

45 heat defeat me

[mint coral]

Yippeeee

[rough canopy]

Anybody know if you enter a chaos portal, after selecting your boon if the encounter rewards will be the same as the ones before you entered the chaos portal? For example, in my last couple of runs I'll get the hammer as my next encounter reward, but I'll also get a chaos gate, so I'm in stuck between the two. I have always picked the hammer of fear of missing out, but Ideally I'd want both since I'm greedy

[upper wolf]

Nah, chaos counts as a whole room

You enter a new room, you get new exits. Might be the same, might be different, it's all random

[mint coral]

fwiw the game really wants you to have your two hammers so it'd probably show up soon

tho depending on weapon I'd just take hammer anyways

[rough canopy]

So, you think if I take chaos portal, I'd likely get another hammer later in the run?

[mint coral]

yeah

also works for hermes

those get shoved in your face a lot

[rough canopy]

Also am I usually limited to only two hammer choices in my run, unless I take the smithing forge at 4th floor?

[mint coral]

yeah

[rough canopy]

Good to know, thanks bro

[mint coral]

same for hermes once again

2 per run, chance at 3rd in Styx

[rough canopy]

Revisiting Hades since I heard that hades 2 was about to drop soon, haven't played the game since highschool, currently about to graduate college,

So hype for hades 2

love the game

Grade 3, complete tears of my ACl and LCL and a grade 1 tear of my MCL from Brazilian jujitsu. I'm a purple belt 4 stripe, and some new guy exploded a guard pass position he didn't have because of my leg position, and he created an awful external rotation of my knee

Having surgery this monday

so I'm excited to spend the next 4 weeks grinding this game

while I'm stuck to crutches

[fringe dust]

Good question lol

[lavish sorrel]

even the paws afficionado doesn't know what paws they are

"unfortnite" as a certain someone would say

[rustic vale]

They’re clearly trex arms

[rough canopy]

Not really sure what ambrosia does

[rustic vale]

Gift is to ppl

Once they’re at (otherwise) max relationship

and you’ve completeed their favour

[rough canopy]

Also, would you recommend I select higher quality boons, even if it doesnt match my build, since I may potentially get a higher rarity of boon from the god I want for that skill?

[upper wolf]

nah

it's way too unlikely to be worth

[rustic vale]

No

Rarity can be a big deaΙ (depending on the boon) but low rarity boon that does fit your build >>>> high rarity that doesn’t

& trying to chance an exchange is just not a good idea

It’s only a 10% chance when you pick up. A boon and they could offer a replacement for any core you have

So odds are even if you hit the 10% it wants to swap your dash or special instead of attack or vice versa etc etc

[rough canopy]

Thx bro

[rustic vale]

Whether rarity matters really depends on the individual boon tbh

like with dio boons a rarity boost is like equivalent to a single pom

But for aphro a rarity boon on strike or special is anywhere from a 1.3-1.5, 1.8-2.0 or 2.3-2.5 multiplier on the common boosr

[latent moon]

I will say for useless support boons, if none of the options are unpommable, take the higher rarity one so you can sell for more money

[maiden narwhal]

ok pyre is.. different

like transistor was

[mint coral]

yeah none of them are really similar

[steep condor]

each sgg game is so different, i wonder how similar hades 2 will be to hades actually

[raw thunder]

I can’t believe Hermes has dialogue for using Dionysus’ keepsake and getting his boon first

Just how many lines did the VAs record

[elder phoenix]

stupid question but how can i unlock the specific weapon aspects? i have all the weapons unlocked im just wondering like the actual aspects of zeus or like the fist's aspect of demeter themselves?

[latent moon]

There's like 21k unique lines

[latent moon]

Interact with the weapon again after you select it

[elder phoenix]

i already unlocked the aspect menu, im talking about the specific aspects themselves, like i have the zag sheild unlocked but not the chaos or zeus aspects

all i can think of is by giving them more nectars lol

[latent moon]

Don't you just hit the unlock button and spend titan blood

[vital canyon]

Can you not post photos here?

[gray apex]

You can upload it somewhere else and upload its link, discord will embed it

[fervent radish]

The aspects don’t depend on relationships with the namesake character

You just need to spend titan blood in the aspects menu

After you unlock all weapons

[elder phoenix]

i had two titan blood but i still couldnt unlock the zeus shield but maybe im overcomplicating this for myself lol. thank you so much for your answer tho!

[fervent radish]

it might cost more than 2 titan blood

np

oh nvm it costs 2

wdym you still can't unlock it

[mint coral]

Are you selecting the aspect itself or the actual lock

[raw thunder]

How do you unlock Hermès’ favour?

I tried what was on the wiki and it didn’t work

[fringe dust]

i forget, i do know hermes gives you a quest to beat Charon twice in a row though?

[elder phoenix]

yeah it was my bad lmao, i just wasnt clicking correctly but its all good now. thanks all sm for you help!

[mint coral]

Talk with him with the plume maxed out (3*)

Also is def on the fandom wiki at least

[drowsy linden]

3 star plume and talk to him with max hearts

your dialogue may have been replaced by a different one

[raw thunder]

thats what i did

[drowsy linden]

so just keep talking

[raw thunder]

the dialogue mentioned the plume

guess theres another

tjx

thx*

[drowsy linden]

np

[mint coral]

Dialogue system moment

[void vigil]

Yeah iirc there are two dialogues about plume

[fringe dust]

dialogue moments...

[rough canopy]

Does gifting gods increase your rarity chance for boons?

[mint coral]

Nah

But is funnier if you convince yourself that it does :p

[true marten]

After over 100 hours I finally got the ||family secret|| achievement!!!

[vagrant cypress]

I love making the choice between the boons of Phalanx shot, Sunken treasure, and HUNTING BLADES

[mint coral]

What kinda randomizer is that, that you have phalanx and hunting blades

[vagrant cypress]

I run a randomizer where you can get any boon from and God

cuz y not

[mint coral]

Oh I said it jokingly lmfao

Do you have slicing at least or looking for it now

[vagrant cypress]

I do

but still

[mint coral]

Do you get duos at random or do you still need their pre reqs

[vagrant cypress]

my brain is just built to click whenever I see HUNTING BLADES

thats how good this flipping game is that it deletes a core memory for the purposes of HUNTING BLADES

[mint coral]

Or even better

Does hermes reduced rarity apply to this rando

That'd be hilarious

[vagrant cypress]

holy

I need to check this

[mint coral]

Or it only works in his boons

[vagrant cypress]

There is a bug where shop boons don't have the randomizer

and I am bouta pull up to a shop since i'm almost at the end of ||asphodel||

[mint coral]

No need to spoiler here

Also does the rando take into account unlocking Dem

Or her boons just show up

[vagrant cypress]

they just show up

[vagrant cypress]

I still want to. I got spoiled about the third areas boss and it ruined my playthough

[mint coral]

Banger

(about dem, I mean lol)

[vagrant cypress]

I got rare crop for my first boon lol

I wonder why demeter has mainly ice abilities. I know my Greco-roman mythology, but is there something I am missing here?

Noice boss ded

[mint coral]

do you rememeber how the persephone myth goes

[vagrant cypress]

oh yeah

the seasons

but if thats true, she might as well have sand or something for summer

[brisk trail]

can someone please tell me how ive made it out of tartarus and asphodel with only an athena boon on attack

[dire elk]

PATHETIC

I DID A NO-BOON RUN

AND WON IT

Seriously

I just did it today with aegis

Aspect of zeus

Got Beowulf while doing it

[brisk trail]

no i was worried

[dire elk]

?

[brisk trail]

i have no more death defiances left because i accepted a chaos boon

i hate you chaos

[dire elk]

Oof

lol

Which curse was it?

Caustic?

(aka the bomb one)

Or the slowing one?

[brisk trail]

the one where every time i attack i take 4 damage

and i have very bad precision

[dire elk]

Oof

Just use special dude

🐙🙏

Also, what weapon and aspect?

[clever sierra]

hypnos is a silly little guy

[wicked sage]

uh

im doing flood beo and my options for this chamber are zeus and athena

what should i choose

[latent moon]

athena

mostly because she has unpommables

and divine dash doesnt open up their duo unshakable mettle

[wicked sage]

thx

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/why-hello-athena-spies-in-disguise-care-explosion-athena-gif-13127970306420915617

[tepid light]

athena my forever beloved

what an excellent emoji

[maiden narwhal]

i was having a beautiful ap2 run
zeus dash
arty special
hazard 😭
jolted
lightining rod
killed lernie with no attack
got my attack
sold the dash
spread attack 💀

literally any other hammer and i might have made it to dad

[stiff obsidian]

Why are you at lernie with no attack

🗿

[maiden narwhal]

because ap2?

[lavish sorrel]

Why are you running AP2 🗿

[maiden narwhal]

because i'm not good enough to play js dc cp td3

[lavish sorrel]

My eris 45 was done as a meme, don't actually run AP2 for 45 heat

[stone rune]

what heat

[maiden narwhal]

45

[latent moon]

if you're gonna do ap2, you have to reset for lightning strike

or dio atk or whatever

[maiden narwhal]

i don't know how to do that
no matter what actions i take, my seed doesn't change

[latent moon]

you die

[maiden narwhal]

oh

hm

[latent moon]

you need to reset the seed, so you just gotta die lol

it's either that on ap2 or you dont take ap2 and git gud to do js

[maiden narwhal]

so even like top players aren't good enough to do a whatever comes ap2 run?

[latent moon]

well there's retrash

but like for certain stuff they kinda do have to hard reset for something

[lavish sorrel]

Retrash plays with whatevertheheck he wants

[maiden narwhal]

can they do that with eris?

[latent moon]

tbh idk

[stiff obsidian]

Dou t

You need attack

[maiden narwhal]

mm

ok

[latent moon]

he can prob get away with it but also you're not retrash lmao

[maiden narwhal]

i was v impressed with me that i got as far as ely without an attack

but also it's like training weights were off

with no js cp

[latent moon]

well running cp at 45 is prob part of the issue

[stiff obsidian]

Mysterra did attackless 50 Eris recently but I guess u can do anything at 50

[latent moon]

if you're good enough at the game then yeah you can make a lot of things work lmao

they literally did non-epic aphro and zeus specials on 64

[stiff obsidian]

Yea

[latent moon]

so like you either git gud with trash builds or just use a normal build and make it easier for yourself

[stiff obsidian]

Specialless 64 got to work with Dio aid or something

[maiden narwhal]

pyre was too different brotato was not involved enough blasphemous was too slow

i need a new game or i'm going to keep trying 45 forever

[tepid light]

if you're "good enough" you could beat the game hitless with no boons or keepsakes 64 heat with the worst aspects

[maiden narwhal]

this is my current pact https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1216293085558997003/image.png?ex=65ffdc35&is=65ed6735&hm=9696020a57474ea375d717bfcb97d8574ee0e8b57eb7d675978b03f8ca37ad8d&

[latent moon]

do js2 cp0

wait

dc2 is literally free

[stiff obsidian]

Use dc 2

[maiden narwhal]

no it takes too long

i lose to td3

[stiff obsidian]

Remove ri1

[tepid light]

ok i know i praise em4 a lot but i honestly do think it would be easier for you to do em4 than some of the things you've taken here

[latent moon]

oh there's ri1

[stiff obsidian]

Hardly makes a difference

[latent moon]

dc2 is faster than js1 cp1

[stiff obsidian]

Max 1 second per room extra

[latent moon]

dc2 means you have to fire 1 bullet to strip dc

js1 cp1 means more bullets to kill more enemies

also that 1 bullet can strip dc off more than 1 enemy

[maiden narwhal]

i was, for a while
but i struggle to get out of tartarus
i only made it to dad once, and died to phase 3 wave

so i figure if i manage to get to dad at 45, it can't be em4

[latent moon]

also ri is cucking your gold laurels

dc2 js2 cp0 ri0 is what you should be taking at 45

[maiden narwhal]

i know all this which is why i had dc on for so long but i still can't so i removed them all

[upper wolf]

if you're already playing JS1 CP1 (you shouldn't) you might as well go for hell mode and take personal liability

[stiff obsidian]

Not modded

[maiden narwhal]

alright i'm going to try to run this

[latent moon]

tbh dc isn't the reason why you're timing out to td3 lol

[stone rune]

js2 dc2 ap1 ri0

[maiden narwhal]

if i get a hammer seed it absolutely is

[latent moon]

dc2 on eris is basically free, so it's bc of js/cp

well hammer seed's a different problem lol

but most runs aren't hammer starts

[maiden narwhal]

then i'm beating the goddamn odds

ok i'll just reset if i get a hammer seed

it's really pointless

[latent moon]

also side note ap2 eris can make hammers dangerous

[maiden narwhal]

give me zeus
give me delta chamber by chamber 4

that's a good run

[maiden narwhal]

see above where my best run gave me hazard and spread

i died immediately after getting spread

[latent moon]

sounds about right

that's exactly why we try not to take ap2 ever lmao

esp on volatile aspects

[maiden narwhal]

if it had been ANY other hammer ):

[latent moon]

it's also why you should consider avoiding hammers lol

[maiden narwhal]

ah

[latent moon]

first hammer in tart is fine since it's just tart

[maiden narwhal]

that i hadn't considered

[latent moon]

but ely hammer just avoid it

[maiden narwhal]

got it

[latent moon]

even on ap1 i'd consider it bc it's not impossible to get hazard and spread fire at once lol

[maiden narwhal]

i prefer ap1 to js2

i really do

[latent moon]

there's not many bad hammers for eris but it's not like horrible

[maiden narwhal]

but idk if they have the same heat

[latent moon]

2nd hammer eris on ap1 isn't too risky but you do have a chance to get screwed lol

[latent moon]

just kill stuff faster idk lol

ap1 isn't that bad but js2 is annoying for my speedrunner brain

[maiden narwhal]

hill: jazz jackrabbit was better than sonic

[latent moon]

messes up my internal wave tracker

[maiden narwhal]

but do the waves always have the same number of mobs in?

[latent moon]

you can kinda just tell how many waves there's gonna be by the enemy type you have

or at least how long the room is gonna take

waves probably dont have the same number of mobs, but idk i dont count lol

[maiden narwhal]

hm i need to develop that

too many rooms take too long because of those idiot bombers

or splitterss

that fall thgourhg the cracks

[latent moon]

it increases the farther you get into a biome, which is why c32-34 are such a pain in the ass for speedrunners

bombers are relatively fast if you deal with them fast, they're not the slowest aspho enemy wave

unarmored splitters can suck

[maiden narwhal]

i meant in tart

[latent moon]

but armored splitters in ely are mega fast and you pray for them

[maiden narwhal]

and aspho bombers are horrible if they're armoured

[latent moon]

they're a fast enemy wave lmao

esp armored

on js0 it can just be 2 waves of 2 armored bombers and you're done

[maiden narwhal]

it's a huge chamber and they jump around so much

[latent moon]

also the tart miniboss, do you use meg's summon on that?

[maiden narwhal]

i keep missing htem with special

no

[latent moon]

do that

[maiden narwhal]

oh yeah trthey have nowhere to go

[latent moon]

if you hit half of them and get rid of their armor that's good enough

[maiden narwhal]

nice

[latent moon]

on mm there's not really like any line up so you can just hope they group nicely after you strip dc2

[maiden narwhal]

i need to learn to aggro mobs properly

so they group

[latent moon]

yeah that's a bit difficult to learn lol

[maiden narwhal]

but that's the ceiling i think i'm hitting

that's why rooms take so long

[latent moon]

watching eris vods can help

[maiden narwhal]

i never stop dashing i have space held down permanently

this is not helpful with aggro is it

does vod standn for something

[latent moon]

i mean it's not helpful for safety lmao

[maiden narwhal]

i joined a vod channel by mistake i didn't know it was voice lol

[latent moon]

i think it might but it's really just a recording lmao

some recording of an eris run

[maiden narwhal]

yeah i'll do that

[maiden narwhal]

i do eat it a lot

[latent moon]

btw waves can be hella volatile

you know how i said earlier that c32-34 is hell for speedrunning

well sometimes it can be easy lol

https://youtu.be/oAmiXa4CMAw?t=838

timestamped

10 sec c34 room is basically considered a skip

literally in ely you just have to pray you dont get bad enemies

if you get the blue man group you just cry and kill them asap

[upper wolf]

on high heat it's more balanced because the armored witches will kill you 99% of the time too

[latent moon]

just dont die

[upper wolf]

"just don't die" mfs when I pull 20 guns to their head at once (I'm 3 cloning speeding witch in C11)

[steep condor]

well did you try dodging the 100 bullets shooting from 20 guns right in your face though

[upper wolf]

yes

[stiff obsidian]

Real

[maiden narwhal]

and it was without jolted..

i am Inspired

[maiden narwhal]

this is only 40

sorry 43

ap1 > ri1?

let's try both

i reckon ap better

[stiff obsidian]

Ap is better to take

Ri sucks

[maiden narwhal]

great call on meg summon for the bombers

ap only annoying if you don't get an attack

reset so irritating

how much time does dying waste?

like using a defiance

[stiff obsidian]

That's why we play modded

[steep condor]

just tried zeus attack eris 45 and made it to dad no problem... but then died to one of those pots

[steep condor]

was just thinking, since i want to get a steam deck for hades 2 ea anyway

is it possible to install mods on steam deck?

[mint coral]

Afaik yeah

[maiden narwhal]

what is steam deck

[steep condor]

valve console

like a switch, but made by valve. runs steam

second 45 eris zeus attack try, died to dad again

[maiden narwhal]

yo

this game is so much easier if you sidestep instead of facetank

[maiden narwhal]

ooh
is it a different handheld, or is it something you load onto your switch?

[vague wadi]

Different handheld

[maiden narwhal]

cool i'll google it

i did ok with the psp but switch felt weird

would you purge urge to kill or wave pounding?
(i have tdash)

20% against bosses vs 10% global

[mint coral]

Well, urge to krill isn't global 🤓

I'd sell whatever

[stiff obsidian]

I'm confused

[maiden narwhal]

oh yeah i guess it doesn't effect call

and dash

[mint coral]

Nor external dmg sources

[maiden narwhal]

so when you say eris is 75% global, that includes traps?

[mint coral]

That one is different

Eris buff is "you do more dmg" so anything that comes from zag and tbf my wording was wrong

(it doesn't include traps)

If the buff says "enemies take more dmg" it buffs traps/summons/Than too

For this one there's only sweet surrender, maim and targeting system

(and maybe black out has the same wording? Dunno)

Another example is pp/hunter's mark

Pp is zag dmg can crit/hunter's also affects anything that is not from zag

Also wording sometimes just can't be trusted lol

Splitting headache is worded as hunter's mark but it doesn't buff the crit rate of anything w/o it in first place

So you need pp for it

[maiden narwhal]

worst wording is on e.r

no wait

which is the other one

idk the one where it only gives you the boost on catch, but it does NOT specify that

[mint coral]

Empowered flight I think?

[maiden narwhal]

yes

i only found out how it worked from being on the discord

[mint coral]

I think needing to catch it is just a zeus thing

[quaint citrus]

A little mad at myself how late i am to playing this

but im so happy i got to

doom scrolling supergiant games twitter scraping for content i missed. thats where im at right now

[maiden narwhal]

yes, because no autoreturn

but it could easily have read "afte your special returns" isntead of "after your special hits"

because after your special hits is wrong

[desert tundra]

Better late than never

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1216402829867094057/image.png?ex=6600426a&is=65edcd6a&hm=db902460bfe6c6b12ca1bb02aff68b3be14bdac6d111f1e8a6294c03dc596345& drakons be like

STRAIGHT INTO COUPLE GG

i hate this game

[steep condor]

whaaat, i didn't know that... i felt like it didn't work as advertised but that's just. lying basically

[stiff obsidian]

🤔

[upper wolf]

the two sides of drakons :

• eepy on the other side of the damn planet
• Nothing personel kid RATATATATATATATATA

[stiff obsidian]

I have never seen this other side of drakon

Introduce me to it sometime

[upper wolf]

I hate asphodel big rooms because I don't know the spawn points so I always have to search for 3 years to see where the enemies are

speaking of, their afterlife sucks

They just stand there, being bored

[quasi dust]

Same

[quasi dust]

waiting for their moment to strike

RATATATATATATATA

[upper wolf]

mainly waiting for zag to approach

[lavish sorrel]

third state is "screw your hitless run because of a singular projectile from off-screen"

[latent moon]

Well I had ME lol

[upper wolf]

That's part of RATATATATATATA

[maiden narwhal]

when does your shield come up? is it flat or % damage?

[upper wolf]

% I think ?

[true oak]

i think it's 25%

[maiden narwhal]

i had 30hp and when it came up i had 4

[true oak]

within a short time period

[maiden narwhal]

which is like.. 15%?