"if it's easy for me it's easy for everyone"
#h1-discussion
fervent radish
tried 32 boonless and I've learned that taking DD is probably a better call lol
tepid light
oh yes, i forgot that one: "just use hestia"
stone rune
what
wheat grail
it's gonna sound silly but i've been winning my 1st games with different weapon and idk this game makes me very happy lol
the urge to keep playing at 2am- oof, i have to FIGHT IT
upper wolf
game kinda good yeah
upper wolf
vetbaited frustration notwithstanding
wheat grail
orphée started singing and i was like 'am i gonna cry??'
upper wolf
crying might distract you from the song, so I advise against it
quasi dust
fun fact : orpheus singing voice is the same VA as Zagreus. And Skelly.
That's talent right there fr
wheat grail
insanity!
quasi dust
Very impressive honestly
maiden narwhal
the urge to keep playing at 2am- oof, i have to FIGHT IT
this is just.. gaming
you are gamer
oh man i never revealed pact challenges
i'm getting everything in a flood now
all the dialogue, the prophecy and the completion
apparently 8 heat is a pact challenge
charged volley is zag and rama?
wow if you use only dash strike bow is brilliant
rama, anyway
upper wolf
charged volley is zag and rama?
zag and hera
maiden narwhal
oh no
i'm doing a bow run for nothing then
except
i'm having a lot of fun with it
anyway no guarantee it'll give me charged volley so
unless it tries to push unfinished pacts on you
which would be the polite thing to do
maiden narwhal
zag and hera
at point blank range, spilt shot dash strike hits three times?
or does it depend on the size of the badguy?
mint coral
at point blank range, spilt shot dash strike hits three times?
Triple shot? Yeah you just hug the enemy
maiden narwhal
or does it depend on the size of the badguy?
nah alecto takes three to the face and she's tiny
mint coral
is it my imagination or is dash strike harder to execute with bow?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Is just dash then hold attack
maiden narwhal
Is just dash then hold attack
right but feels different on ranged and melee
like i'd hit it 100% on melee, but ?% on ranged
so i was just wondering if it were actually a mechanic, or just me
anyway getting better means bow becomes less.. hateful
also i'm hitting dash strike consistently, which seems to help
i literally never draw the thing just dash around
it's like you've got a poignard
looolol plume gave me a speed clear
that's crazy
does the algorithm consider heat when calculating what a fast enough clear is?
upper wolf
No
quasi dust
lavish sorrel
proceeds to offer you more drinks in the form of Premium Vintage (for nectar) anyways
quasi dust
I actually got premium vintage lmao
I got Vicious Cycle again what
I got this like 2 runs ago
Ares why you so good to me
lavish sorrel
ah yes, scam cycle 
quasi dust
What's wrong with it
fervent radish
just use hestia
No hestia was literally free up until dad and I don’t have enough experience dodging his spins
mint coral
What's wrong with it<:zagcry:1012805268519780352> <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
Only gives +1 on dash/cast
Works correctly on call (+2)
And a whopping +0 on flare
quasi dust
Oh damn
quasi dust
I have both dash and call, I only took it because why not, even though I don't really need it for this run
maiden narwhal
i hate the music so it's not like i'm going to unlock orpheus
quasi dust
because i have 52 of those
That's insane
maiden narwhal
That's insane
why? what do you spend them on? i don't understand
quasi dust
why? what do you spend them on? i don't understand
I spend them on music and trading and I have 8
maiden narwhal
ah music
quasi dust
Yea
mint coral
If you have all the work orders is mainly music yeah
maiden narwhal
i only bought one song because i thought that's how to do my lyre stuff lol
ok cool then i can trade for blood
maiden narwhal
that's bought out
more than one ball
but lounge and bedroom are bought out
don't care about the rest much
quasi dust
May be wrong idk
No I think you're right
mint coral
Just in case all the favors (like releasing Achilles) also need diamonds
maiden narwhal
oh right i have all of those
just hermes bond left
that's going to get done pretty soon. probably next run
maiden narwhal
carry plume
meet the clown
give him stuff maybe idk
probably dialogue then ambrosia
quasi dust
ight thanks
mint coral
I'm also missing Hermes bond
Talk with him with 3* plume
quasi dust
What abt demeter?
mint coral
What abt demeter?
Reach the epilogue
quasi dust
K
mint coral
She counts as one of the 6 gods you need to max as soon as you reach the lock
maiden narwhal
most of the people in here are high heat
mint coral
So that's nice
quasi dust
you haven't finished the game
Nope
quasi dust
Talk with him with 3* plume
I've literally never used it so💀
mint coral
Happens
maiden narwhal
I've literally never used it so💀
i mean.. why would you
quasi dust
i mean.. why would you
Exactly
mint coral
Hermes' favor is really annoying cuz it depends if you like that thing
Even pos' can be luck out into at least
quasi dust
I don't cuz im slow
maiden narwhal
hermes and the other one are really annoying because you lose the bonus when you unequip
quasi dust
But ah well, whatever it takes for my bro Hermes
quasi dust
Fr
mint coral
More like mad lucky
maiden narwhal
i mean
you can take heroes and dad without anything defensive
or offensive
that's something
in and of itself
mint coral
If you luck out into a good build you get both the dmg and plume procs
So you get defense through dodge too
But no god keepsakez makes it annoying
quasi dust
Hermes how could you do this to me man
maiden narwhal
i forgot what plume does even
is it dodge i thought it was speed
mint coral
Is both
maiden narwhal
ah
quasi dust
It's both?
mint coral
+1/1.1/1.2 move speed and dodge
mint coral
It opens rush delivery for a reason
mint coral
that's p op
Nah
quasi dust
Oh that's why I've never gotten rd
quasi dust
I feel like an idiot mb
mint coral
Oh *that's* why I've never gotten rd
Plume is just one of them
You normally open it through hyper sprint
Greater haste also works ofc
quasi dust
I really don't like Hyper sprint it's way too fast
quasi dust
Greater haste is fine
mint coral
Just wait till you see hyper sprint + a few ichors
quasi dust
(Speaking from experience)
mint coral
I love multiplicative movement speed
quasi dust
Just wait till you see hyper sprint + a few ichors
Oh god
mint coral
Just wait till you see hyper sprint + a few ichors
(for an exaggerated version, see the eris route)
maiden narwhal
And no other keepsake for ely/styx
well yeah that's why you need to be mad skilled
idk about how lucky you need to be, with no god control
mint coral
Ideally I think you want zeus build for this
Also hermes' dodge boons
Or run ruthless reflex so you could also go for rd
maiden narwhal
It's a nightmare in Asphodel
it carries you into the lava
but it carries you through the lava too
mint coral
Ideally I think you want zeus build for this
or just luck out into the whole ME setup lmfao
maiden narwhal
the sooner you get used to it the better tho
don't avoid speed, it's a p big part of the game in general
given the boost you get from hs rd
mint coral
Yeah rd is kinda too good
quasi dust
Fair
mint coral
Gives you more options from hermes than just +dashes 
maiden narwhal
also, you'll need fo as you climb, so you'll need to react to faster mobs faster
quasi dust
Got it
latent yacht
is it better to get artemis attack on Zagreus bow for even more crit chance or a high % damage attack boon?
stone rune
is it better to get artemis attack on Zagreus bow for even more crit chance or a...
it depends but generally both will be fine
stiff obsidian
im not a fan of artemis attack
stiff obsidian
i like it because the base crit is so low
just play nem then 👎 😹 💯
stone rune
grue
maiden narwhal
do i need ambrosia for anything other than ranks?
and hermes i guess
i can't do diamonds for blood there's a whole conversion thing
proper tusk
ambrosia is for gifting, upgrading companions, and trading
and like. buying themes and resource director stuff
rugged pivot
If I just want to finish a run as fast as possible, is it a good idea to always take shops? Do those actually skip fights?
steep condor
yes
rugged pivot
I'm playing without heat so there's no problem of being underlevel
true oak
If I just want to finish a run as fast as possible, is it a good idea to always ...
the midshops skips a fight
mint coral
If I just want to finish a run as fast as possible, is it a good idea to always ...
Shops/chaos/! Rooms/fountains all skip
true oak
you can take the free end reward
rugged pivot
What's the free end reward?
mint coral
When you choose to take a boon instead of the last shop for example
Where the boon will just be there instead of another combat
rugged pivot
Oh I see
mint coral
Shops/chaos/! Rooms/fountains all skip
For ingame time, survival rooms and Than are also good
rugged pivot
Yeah I don't keep count of how many rooms I've done
So I never know if I'm close to a boss
mint coral
C12/c22/c34 are the last combats
rugged pivot
For ingame time, survival rooms and Than are also good
Survival rooms are a bit long, I need real time fast
mint coral
Nah
rugged pivot
FINALLY Patroclus told me to "risk it all"
For all I've looked up this is the beginning of the divided by death quest
rugged pivot
So I'm doing suicide runs in Elysium, if I get Patroclus I die in the next chamber, otherwise I just go on and let Theseus kill me, all I need is Patroclus
Now I have noticed, but idk if this is just a coincidence, that when I find eurydice I don't find patroclus and when I find patroclus I don't find eurydice
Is that how it works? So if I find eurydice I can just die immediately in asphodel without bothering exploring Elysium because Patroclus won't be there?
Or was that just coincidence?
stone rune
Is that how it works? So if I find eurydice I can just die immediately in asphod...
you can find both
rugged pivot
Mh alr
mint coral
Those little victory message when you win
Like hermes will be jealous for doing a sub 12 run
stone rune
hermes needs to git gud
rugged pivot
I don't think I've ever listened to one
When I win I just get the quote from the announcer that finds a way to make Zagreus die
upper wolf
hermes kinda slow tbh tbh
mint coral
I don't think I've ever listened to one
#h1-victory-boasting message
Check under "victory"
They aren't voice lines
rugged pivot
Oh I see
I legit never look at that screen I always close it in less than a second lmao
mint coral
Lmao fair
rugged pivot
It's just so overwhelming to see all of those stats I don't care about
But that's on me I can't stand that type of stuff
covert hare
this game has so much secret stuff
i never realized thanatos has dialogues if you die while in a room with him
unreal mason
Yep (although it sometimes doesn't play)
void vigil
i never realized thanatos has dialogues if you die while in a room with him
Yeah! Same with dying with a chaos curse active and dying in a timed room
maiden narwhal
people who don't attack at cursor...
how?
lavish sorrel
On kbm rail, it makes the autoaim better to turn aim at cursor off
maiden narwhal
interesting
that's the only place you'd do that?
because the video i watched where the guy did that, he was using rail
and i guess that answers the why, but still not the how..
i tried and it was so difficult
i tried with shield, tho
i'll try with rail and see
zag bow with artemis and triple shot and artemis is rather fun
mobs just melt
i used to avoid triple shot like the plague and now it's the best thing ever
what's better than triple+explosive?
omg but it won't give me the hammer i need....
three runs in a row
true oak
my fav is twin perfect
maiden narwhal
are there pre requisites for that thing?
damnit i can't rememb er what it's called
true oak
wdym just get both hammers
maiden narwhal
what's the hammer to your volley that only works on zag and hera?
true oak
charged volley
maiden narwhal
ah alright
so there's maybe a hammer i can take that'll stop me from getting charged?
true oak
i don't think so
true oak
don't worry about it the special kinda sucks
maiden narwhal
6 hammers and haven't drawn it
i don't want it lol
it's my last prophecy
in the game
true oak
it'll come some day
maiden narwhal
i even got lyre
but not charged volley
i mean i never play bow
but now i'm doing that and it still won't come
true oak
On kbm rail, it makes the autoaim better to turn aim at cursor off
it's not just rail i think
bow also and probably most weapons
true oak
it's not good but it exists
maiden narwhal
my monitor is too big to see dad hp and the fight without moving my eyes
true oak
maybe try sitting further back
maiden narwhal
it's not good but it exists
i mean unchecking aim at cursor. it's so difficult.
true oak
yeah don't do it
maiden narwhal
i don't have a desk
i play on my thighs
so even though my legs are 4 feet long
my fingies won't reach
true oak
bro get a desk don't cramp your back
maiden narwhal
eh this house was built for hobbits my back got buggered up decades ago
but yeah the problem is no space
it's an ancestral house
anyway plans are in place to ship a bunch of furniture off to another state/country
so i'll have a proper desk and chair soon
true oak
good luck
maiden narwhal
my fav is twin perfect
playing dashstrike style?
true oak
yes dashstrike is 99.9% of bow gameplay
stiff obsidian
flurry twin best
maiden narwhal
then why you want perfect?
isn't perfect the one where you draw faster?
you still need to wait for the ping tho right?
cause if you're going to draw, may as well get a power
true oak
perfect buffs your power shots
maiden narwhal
ok but if you're dashing why you want powershot
true oak
wdym? more damage?
stiff obsidian
what
maiden narwhal
powershot only comes on draw, right?
stiff obsidian
you want to powrshot every shot
maiden narwhal
not dashstrike
stiff obsidian
wdym draw
true oak
power shot is 50 for dashstrike
maiden narwhal
like you draw the bow back and wait for the flash
true oak
70 for standing
true oak
no but sooner than standing
stiff obsidian
when you charge it?
maiden narwhal
how do you charge dash strike
stiff obsidian
what do you think a dash strike is?
maiden narwhal
it's tap not hold
true oak
on bow???
maiden narwhal
maybe i don't know what a dash strike is
true oak
we are talking about zagbow
maiden narwhal
when i said "is dash strike more difficult on bow" i was told.. no it's not it's just dash and strike
yes
i mean
any bow
it's nice on rama
better actually
but rama won't give me charged
NEITHER WILL ZAG APPARENTLY
i still don't understand what you mean by dash strike but charge
i'm going to upload a short clip of me dash striking
and you tell me what i'm doing wrong pls
stiff obsidian
ok
maiden narwhal
i forgot how to do that
hang on
oh no i closed hades
good job self
does the game autosave in-game?
like during a run
not at skelly
stiff obsidian
every room yes
maiden narwhal
sigh it does not
started at skelly again
i closed it from steam
it started from skelly, but gave me the same seed...
wtf
maiden narwhal
ok
did u died
anyway when i dash strike i don't charge so if you charge idgi
it took me 6 tries to beat heroic erubus splitter
SIX
and that's with skelly 🤌
level 1 zag bow is hard at 16 heat
stiff obsidian
anyway when i dash strike i don't charge so if you charge idgi
well if ur not charging thats ur own fault lol
last veldt
it started from skelly, but gave me the same seed...
That's how it works. If you quit a run you go back to the last save in the courtyard and the seed will be the same. To get a new seed, complete a run or die.
upper wolf
I mean, you do die if you complete a run
stiff obsidian
you complete a run if you die
brisk trail
.............
lavish sorrel
bow also and probably most weapons
Melee weaps without aim at cursor is crazy
rustic vale
Melee weaps without aim at cursor is crazy
I mean as a switch gamer 
I just have autoaim on for all weaps
quasi dust
Same
maiden narwhal
That's how it works. If you quit a run you go back to the last save in the court...
yeah but that guy said you start at last room
but you don't
maiden narwhal
Melee weaps without aim at cursor is crazy
lol seriously
rose roost
there are two ways to end a run
give up: end the run, new seed for next run
quit: game saves progress and you start at last save point
rose roost
something weird happens when the game crashes
the game saves correctly and you start in the room when the game crashed
or start in skelly room with the same seed as the previous run
rose roost
alt tab to windows and close app in steam
that's forece closing the game so (i think) the game doesn't save your run progress but rather starts you at skelly bcuz it was the last save point
maiden narwhal
correct
maiden narwhal
well if ur not charging thats ur own fault lol
yeah i gotta practice on skelly i guess
i didn't know you could get power shot out of a dash strike
show me a video please
of dash strike where you charge
maiden narwhal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0sIE9N7_9o
does it do more damage than if i dash, stop, then power shot?
mint coral
that's not dash strike that's dashing and striking
You can see if it's a dash strike when zag holds the bow differently
mint coral
Dash strike doesn't have to be dash + attack at the same time anyways
Just hold attack at any point of the dash
maiden narwhal
doesnt the timing matter for melee?
between dash strike, and dashing and striking?
mint coral
Nah
Delaying your dash strike so you also get iframes is a thing that exists
Mainly for fresh file
maiden narwhal
also you can't do this with triple shot, charge to powershot at melee range and you're going to get smacked
mint coral
You def can
rose roost
some people pull it off
maiden narwhal
damn
rose roost
there's a really impressive ff run by pseudo which shows the power of explosive+triple shot on zag bow
maiden narwhal
i thought if you stopped the dash to charge, it wasn't a dash strike anymore
but also i hate charging in general
is it that much worse to just dash strike and repeat?
mint coral
Just get flurry every run
maiden narwhal
is that optimal tho
mint coral
is it that much worse to just dash strike and repeat?
Min charge is like 50 base dmg?
Let me check
maiden narwhal
there's a really impressive ff run by pseudo which shows the power of explosive+...
yeah i was using explosive + triple and it was amzing
but i never charged the dash strike
rose roost
is it that much worse to just dash strike and repeat?
dash strike makes you charge faster and doing to succesively is better dps
mint coral
20 min charge vs 50 powershot
rose roost
bow is kinda tough weapon to get used to
mint coral
yeah i was using explosive + triple and it was amzing
but i never charged the da...
Oh if you have explosive is a different story lmao
Yeah min charge is good with that
maiden narwhal
tbh rama felt beautiful, dashing without charge
mint coral
Was this explosive rama
maiden narwhal
Oh if you have explosive is a different story lmao
well i got explosive
but regardless
no, normal rama
even normal zag. dash strike without charge feels smoother
but does almost no damage
until you have a decent boon on
rose roost
even rama prefers dash strike but do what's comfortable to u
mint coral
No surprise
maiden narwhal
even artemis boon with triple shot is fine
mint coral
is that optimal tho
Flurry is a good 2nd hammer
maiden narwhal
even rama prefers dash strike but do what's comfortable to u
i mean i'm using dash strike only
just not charging for powershot
carmine carbon
just completed the game
what pact of punishment modifiers would you say are the easiest?
maiden narwhal
just completed the game
what pact of punishment modifiers would you say are the ...
fo bp mm
rose roost
definetly not fo for beginners
true oak
fo hard
mint coral
Em1 is fun
true oak
do em1
rose roost
not really
maiden narwhal
game should be fo max by default
it is furies wreck me
with all the other heat on ofc
not in isolation
true oak
this is a beginner guys
rose roost
td1 is also easy
mint coral
I mean getting used to FO timing is nice but def not the first pact lmao
maiden narwhal
td1 free heat
true oak
uc and mm are ok as well
mint coral
just completed the game
what pact of punishment modifiers would you say are the ...
#h1-high-heat-strategies message there's this which is intended to go to 32 heat but still is nice
maiden narwhal
I mean getting used to FO timing is nice but def not the first pact lmao
then i'm built different because the game without fo feels too slow
carmine carbon
with td1, do you get bonus 3 mins in asphodel if you beat tartarus in 6 mins?
rose roost
em1, td1, uc, mm, hl2 i feel are easy
maiden narwhal
yeah it piles up until you have so much time you don't know what to do with it
rose roost
just avoid dc, ap, ri
maiden narwhal
you can sit in styx and talk on discord for 10 minutes
and suddenly realise you only have 5 minutes left to kill dad
mint coral
then i'm built different because the game without fo feels too slow
Cuz you already been playing with it for a while
maiden narwhal
but then you only needed 3
mint coral
FO timings are annoying at the start
maiden narwhal
Cuz you already been playing with it for a while
no it wasn't until i put fo on that the game started feeling comfortable
mint coral
Then that becomes Fo0 timings 
true oak
fo is still annoying if you play explosive triple lmao
rose roost
especially wringers and louts
maiden narwhal
i was always off rythym with the game because i tried to do things faster than the mobs did
rose roost
they'll mess u up
maiden narwhal
turning on fo evened it out nicely
carmine carbon
just avoid dc, ap, ri
i dont think i see ri
rose roost
i think it unlocks after getting the last mirror perk
maiden narwhal
ri 1 is ok, yeah?
mint coral
No
true oak
no
rose roost
no
mint coral
You lose foresight and starter rerolls
maiden narwhal
is ri the one that removes your mirror stuff from the bottom up?
true oak
yes
rose roost
and extra global dmg from ff
true oak
it' really not worth 2 heat at all
mint coral
and extra global dmg from ff
That's ri2 no
rose roost
is it?
mint coral
You lose pride with ri1 too
mint coral
Ri2 is global dmg/health/uuh coins?
rose roost
You lose pride with ri1 too
oh yea i think ur right
mint coral
Ri3 is boiling/+cast/2nd dash
true oak
ri4 is death
rose roost
losing reroll can't be that big a deal
it is if your going for a build that requires more specific boons
like ME, beo
mint coral
losing reroll can't be that big a deal
No build + no UC protection
maiden narwhal
yeah but i mean
true oak
and no foresight
mint coral
Tho with so many blue chambers you'll get maybe you'll have a roll for it lol
maiden narwhal
or some other pact
true oak
how do you adapt to bad uc
rose roost
vs the consistent hammering of hl
it's easier to dodge enemies than to not have a good build
and die to bosses
mint coral
atl east you don't lose your pom level
The silver lining when my eris hangover gets forced swap into aphro attack /j
maiden narwhal
lol but you're assuming the well's even going to ask for core
adapt = build a nice buffer of fodder?
idk
mint coral
With what boons
maiden narwhal
how do you go above 40 and 50 without ri?
true oak
tbf bad uc is not an issue that many times, just unpleasant
mint coral
how do you go above 40 and 50 without ri?
Em4
true oak
45 is the lowest i'd take ri at a push
maiden narwhal
63 takes away your mirror ffs
rose roost
it's not a run killer but it's more annoying than hl
mint coral
Avoid ri is for earlier heat where there's no point
devout terrace
RI worst heat in the game
maiden narwhal
or use ri for low heat when it doesn't matter?
mint coral
But why
true oak
why are you doing low heat
mint coral
The best time to clear ri from the "clear with all options" prophecy is before you use dark foresight once 
rose roost
or use ri for low heat when it doesn't matter?
if it's like hestia where u only need 1 boon to win sure
maiden narwhal
maybe you have a hard time with boss fights, so em is really frustrating
why wouldn't ri be a decent alternative at low heat
mint coral
Then you'll have a harder time getting a build for them with RI
maiden narwhal
if it's like hestia where u only need 1 boon to win sure
you can use so many things to win when it's low heat
mint coral
You can just do MM in that example instead
rose roost
true but ri is the harder option
mint coral
But also most people will just get used to em
true oak
plus ri is less fun
mint coral
Cuz it's also fun
maiden narwhal
boss fights are the worst part of any game, for me
i'm doing zag bow, and i turned em off completely
because bow is.. very alien
rose roost
you can use so many things to win when it's low heat
and ri makes it so you don't get the build you want and exploring low heat is all about learning abt diff builds
maiden narwhal
i'm doing fo mm bp. that's it
true oak
that's ok
maiden narwhal
@mint coral can you show me video of triple shot dash strike power shot?
mint coral
I don't have one
maiden narwhal
alright
maiden narwhal
not when
where
if you want triple shot to hit with all 3, you need to be right on top of them
mint coral
Just dodge the attack first then start charging
mint coral
Oh yeah hug your enemy
maiden narwhal
then dash charge
maiden narwhal
Oh yeah hug your enemy
yes
otherwise how will you guarantee all 3 hit
even when i don't have triple shot, my dash strike is as melee range as possible
because otherwise i have to aim
when you dash and then charge strike, you have to aim
and it's horrible
rose roost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrRQQl00dPI this run is a great example of triple+explosive
maiden narwhal
watching
mint coral
I play on controller so I just use auto aim
rose roost
and just bow in general
maiden narwhal
@stone rune how do you get music in your youtube uploads doesn't it flag it for copyright?
maiden narwhal
I play on controller so I just use auto aim
i also use autoaim
but my mouse speed is wrong for aiming in general
there's three speed settings on my mouse, but all are wrong
mint coral
Controller aim assist is so sticky
You aim like 45° away from anything and it works anyways
maiden narwhal
ah that sounds nice
with mouse you need to be in the general direction before it snaps on, but then it's too easy to pull it off also
mint coral
Is def nice until you want to actually hit dad
maiden narwhal
oh that's interesting
i just tested it on skelly
stickiness depends on where your cursor is
if it's too high above or below the target, you lose autoaim
if the cursor is on him, it'll snap on properly at ~20 or 30 degree
maybe 10 idk i'm bad at math
or whatever this is. geometry
mint coral
Or aim anywhere else with achilles special
mint coral
Yeah is like even more sticky lmao
mint coral
Is def nice until you want to actually hit dad <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
(and this is because of the stupid pots)
maiden narwhal
like you're locked on, then pots come up and break line of sight?
and it locks on them instead?
mint coral
Yeah
maiden narwhal
that shouldn't happen at all
mint coral
It just aims for the pots instead
mint coral
Oh
maiden narwhal
or maybe it's supposed to do that actually
mint coral
Forgot to mention this was for hestia lmfao
maiden narwhal
but not if an obstacle shows up
mint coral
Knew there was something weird
maiden narwhal
sounds like bad code
badly coded rather
yeah i think you just need flurry with zag bow
maiden narwhal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrRQQl00dPI this run is a great example of tripl...
this was a flurry run
fresh file
omg you can't skip dialogue in fresh file
so annoying
narrator, rather
mint coral
Few tales are told of hades
stone rune
<@752689126448300033> how do you get music in your youtube uploads doesn't it fl...
yeah
rose roost
this was a flurry run
there are multiple runs one of them included the combo
maiden narwhal
there are multiple runs one of them included the combo
ah ok
stone rune
rhey don’t care i guess
maiden narwhal
wtf i recorded something and had youtube playing in the background and when i tried to upload it to facebook they flagged it
but you can record your game with music in the background, and youtube doesn't care?
weird
mint coral
Depends on the song ig
stiff obsidian
that's not dash strike that's dashing and striking
😩
what the hell is a dash strike supposed to be then?
maiden narwhal
what the hell is a dash strike supposed to be then?
sametime
tbf i didn't know you could attack at any point in the dash and it'd count. i thought you had to strike at the same time you dashed for it to count as a dash strike
stiff obsidian
dash strike funky
maiden narwhal
idk why anybody would play that aspect omg
attacks like molasses
and you can't dash strike
apparently you're supposed to dash between strikes
horrible to try to learn
mint coral
You can tho
maiden narwhal
yes
i mean.. you have to
it's the only sword where you want to complete the sequence
so you need massive thrid strike
so you dance around with the first two
wihtout ruining the sequence
hard work
mint coral
You can still use it's actual dash strike
Arthur can even just hold the attack and dash for that
maiden narwhal
it's less effective than the third hit though, right?
mint coral
Is funny
maiden narwhal
haha
mint coral
it's less effective than the third hit though, right?
With dedge it should work
maiden narwhal
ah that's the only one where you play arthur dash i think?
now i can't remember
what that website said
was p detailed tho
sour fog
stiff obsidian
my fav part was when zag said 'its arthurin time' and arthured all over the place
rose roost
real
stiff obsidian
but arthur sucks so he died
maiden narwhal
flurry is really bad with hera, right?
rose roost
flurry, twin and triple are yop3
maiden narwhal
or all three while holding down attack?
rose roost
I'm not good at hera but the rule with cast loading is knowing how many casts will kill an enemy
rose roost
so for louts and armoured wringers it'll be 3 but for thugs it'll be 1(with rare+ aphro)
maiden narwhal
got it
rose roost
I don't really know all the break points but it's easier to gauge if you play enough
maiden narwhal
yes i'll get an idea
what i don't understand is how i'll load more than one with flurry cast
rose roost
you load all 3 then shoot?
maiden narwhal
ok so you let go of attack often
ok i'll get a feel for it after a bit let's see
oh it holds the command
if you dash
and hold down attack
so you can hold down attack and dash twice and load all three and then target someone, all without letting go of attack 🤌
drowsy trellis
Arthur remembers the combo between dashes, you can polish off one dude with the the thrust and light slash then dashspam into a big crowd and clear the room with the finisher
formal citrus
tfw you miss a gold urn, go into the shop with 148 obols, and are trying to complete the winter's harvest prophecy and see demeter in the shop
void vigil
upper wolf
very mood
stone rune
mysterra got chiron 60 with special
latent moon
hyper modded
stiff obsidian
llol
formal citrus
hyper modded
is that a term for a specific mod or just for "beyond the accepted ones"?
raw herald
It’s a specific mod
formal citrus
what's it do?
raw herald
Stuff like forced second hammer, forced epic first boon, forced desired hermes, forced second god
And when speedrunning it removes 3 waves and bad enemies like unarmored witches and numbskulls
But in heat those aren’t necessarily bad so they get left on
formal citrus
sounds like a lot
raw herald
It’s pretty fun
latent moon
sounds like a lot
yeah but for high heat some of that stuff is kinda just necessary lmao
it's not legal i dont think but it's kinda just shows potential and/or what's needed/doable
like guan yu needs massive spin for damage to beat 64 lmao
slim leaf
hello
autumn rose
hello
unreal mason
The purpose of modded was that it mitigated the starting rng so that you didn't have to constantly restart the beginning few rooms in order to get the necessary rng (and hypothetically would just take longer in vanilla). Hypermodded makes it so that you can pick the rng you want/need, realistically speaking it would be impossible for guan yu unmodded to occur, (modded is definitely possible tho)
The 64 clear on guan yu was amazing to watch and requires the same skill if you were to play normal modded (or unmodded), but there is a significant difference. But also from that perspective Chiron 64 (and almost all aspects) are possible.
formal citrus
Hyper delivery for days?
unreal mason
honestly at 64 dashes are probably more important XD
unless it's a shield aspect
or you get rod + million cast stones
terse tapir
I finally beat Hades after 44 attempts. I’m wondering what to do next
formal citrus
I finally beat Hades after 44 attempts. I’m wondering what to do next
Beat it again with a different weapon or more heat and max out stuff and experience more story. Also, congrats!
formal citrus
or you get rod + million cast stones
If you can determine the rng this seems pretty doable lol
Get like 6 chaos curses going at once
I'm guessing the games knows to not stack the debuffa
unreal mason
I'm guessing the games knows to not stack the debuffa
Or just get the trap damage curse and ignore it, or the can't see rewards on doors and ignore that as well.
unreal mason
I'm guessing the games knows to not stack the debuffa
debuffs are additive (so trap damage +300% on spikes will give +15 damage regardless of pact of punishment)
formal citrus
Is all trap damage additive?
unreal mason
yep when applied against you, although sure footing (athena boon) is mutiplicative, meaning you take 90% on epic of whatever your current trap damage is. Also the charon buff is mutiplicative, so 3 5x damage buffs will deal 125x damage to enemies (useful when hades steps in pots)
terse tapir
Beat it again with a different weapon or more heat and max out stuff and experie...
What do you mean with heat?
mint coral
Try to start a new escape and you'll see
unreal mason
heightened security will make all trap damage 5x the amount
terse tapir
Beat it again with a different weapon or more heat and max out stuff and experie...
But good idea to do it with other weapons
unreal mason
or +400% damage
vague peak
hi
unreal mason
What do you mean with heat?
heat is a modifier to make the game harder if you haven't gotten that far into the game yet.
vague peak
How’s everyone doing today..?
unreal mason
How’s everyone doing today..?
alright, went to uni for a lab at 10 and found out that it was postponed to 12
vague peak
heat is a modifier to make the game harder if you haven't gotten that far into t...
Yeah, to earn it you must clear your first escape attempt.
unreal mason
or start with hellmode
vague peak
Yeah, to earn it you must clear your first escape attempt.
Successfully completing the run without dying.
vague peak
or start with hellmode
well… uh… yeah you could do that if you want…
Yeah, if you want it early… start a Hell Mode file or if you want it later… clear an escape attempt.
The choice is yours really.
terse tapir
heat is a modifier to make the game harder if you haven't gotten that far into t...
I’ve taken a look at it and yes, it’s definitely harder
true oak
alright, went to uni for a lab at 10 and found out that it was postponed to 12
at least you didn't go to lab at 12 when it started at 10
drowsy linden
The 64 clear on guan yu was amazing to watch and requires the same skill if you ...
every hit crit when
formal citrus
heightened security will make all trap damage 5x the amount
does that include to enemies? Also, redacted can take pot damage?
formal citrus
or start with hellmode
did this recently. 126+ runs to get all the rewards is actually a lot
mint coral
does that include to enemies? Also, redacted can take pot damage?
Dad can get hit by pots yeah
mint coral
It makes for great names like sigil of the dad
And also super dad is funnier than em4
formal citrus
Dad can get hit by pots yeah
how much do they do?
formal citrus
so pretty inconsequential
unless you grab a couple of the well items?
All the other traps do significantly more to enemies than you, right?
also, I recently learned that you can get the posideon loot boon multiple times
got it two rooms in a row lol
latent moon
All the other traps do significantly more to enemies than you, right?
Trap damage is multiplicative lmao
With enough of those well items you can chunk stuff pretty heavily
brisk trail
i just now realized why there's never any ppl in vc in his server
there IS NO vc
im stupid!!
brisk trail
...........
brisk trail
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sisyphus where
devout torrent
...........
yooo its bouldy no way
gritty saddle
...........
wow it's bouldy
timid mortar
Hello
maiden narwhal
hermes is offering me greater recall and rush delivery on hera bow
i already have hypersprint
go with rd?
rustic vale
go with rd?
yes
greater recall isn't a big deal unless you're running lightning phalanx
maiden narwhal
would hermes attack speed be good with flurry?
because flurry feels slow and weird
rustic vale
plus it wouldn't affect the flurry reload
maiden narwhal
how many before reload?
rustic vale
3 shots before a reload you can't see
maiden narwhal
flurry is... fast but wierd
i can't get it to line up with dash yknow?
also with the cursor
rustic vale
it should pop out right with dash
maiden narwhal
i keep missing
maiden narwhal
also with the cursor
that's why it feels slow
maiden narwhal
it should pop out right with dash
hm ok
rustic vale
I honestly can't tell you much about flurry because I play zag bow where it's less beneficial than other hammers
compared to Hera
maiden narwhal
yeah zag bow takes a little more skill i think
rustic vale
and so I usually don't take it + the part where it removes your ability to powershot and I like my
maiden narwhal
i switched to hera because it's more forgiving
rustic vale
I like my rythm game
maiden narwhal
same it's literally all about rhythm for me
rustic vale
I think hera takes more skill with my controller binding
maiden narwhal
I think hera takes more skill with my controller binding
it just has more power output yeah
so it allows for more suboptimal play
you also don't have to be as precise
rustic vale
yeah but high level Hera takes much more skill since you're managing more things
this is 2 buttons worth of thought
maiden narwhal
yeah all things considered equal it's probably harder to play
stone rune
the main issue is that hera sucks
rustic vale
rustic vale
the main issue is that hera sucks
Hera ≈ Talos so true
maiden narwhal
if you have cast on mouse 4 there's practically no micro needed at all
cause you're doing it with your thumb
stone rune
hera is like beo except it deals way less damage and also you cant hit anything
and you have no aoe
rustic vale
if you have cast on mouse 4 there's practically no micro needed at all
I'm 400 hours in on controller I can't just break my muscle memory that easily
stone rune
and if you get a bad set of enemies c1 will be over 6 seconds long
rustic vale
and my keybinds make it hard to cast dash attack all at the same time even when I swtich
maiden narwhal
I'm 400 hours in on controller I can't just break my muscle memory that easily
oof
i'm same way trying to play controller would kill me
and the controller
and the paint job on the wall
i have full artemis build on hera
and no cast
i am a wonderful player
aphrodite showed up once in asphodel
but i pathed hermes instead
down i go
bow is trash
with a melee weapon i'd take lernie boonless
stone rune
bow is melee
maiden narwhal
yeah but not a melee weapon
you just play it melee
and also when you do dash strike power shot you're putting quite a distance between you and mobs
slightly more than melee weapons, i think
at least in the videos i saw
maybe not idk
just feels like garbage
in my noob hands
rail feels fantastic
and that is also played melee so
latent moon
maybe not idk
just feels like garbage
Which bow are you using
rustic vale
yeah but not a melee weapon
???
it is
just because your dash strike doesn't hit immediately
stone rune
zagbow sucks #imo
stone rune
i mean yeah but kinda no
latent moon
Dash strikes are inherently less important on Hera than the other bows
Just point blank the casts into enemies
Min charge it
maiden narwhal
yeah
latent moon
If you get good with flurry Hera then it's great but it's hard to learn
maiden narwhal
i thought flurry was top 3 for hera!
latent moon
It is
maiden narwhal
If you get good with flurry Hera then it's great but it's hard to learn
ok fair
latent moon
Flurry is good on Hera bc it spits the casts out faster
But then you can also miss more lmao
Try Hera without flurry and it might feel better
latent moon
Yeah
maiden narwhal
cool
maiden narwhal
finally unlocked last 3 hermes hearts tho
so i'ma call that run success
i need to learn dash charge strike or i'll never learn bow
does anyone else have to dash twice? like i double tap space even when i'm playing the mirror option that gives only one dash
i'm trying to single dash and it's so difficult
maiden narwhal
does anyone else *have* to dash twice? like i double tap space even when i'm pla...
i think this is why fo suits me better
but it does not suit bow dash strike at all
latent moon
I mean it can
maiden narwhal
rofl aphro took all my dice and didn't offer cast
maiden narwhal
I mean it can
yes, but not flurry hera
i think that's why i kept missing
it was wonderful for zagbow if you don't charge dash strike
of course, then your damage is way lower
but boons and a decent cast make up for that
i had epic ares
i was dashing into and onto them for the strike and casting at the same time and clear time was faster than shield
artemis attack
and artemis dash
especially with explosive, how do you charge when you dash strike
that's crazy
oh wow i thought i was just playing really badly.. but addled grasp was killing me lmao
maiden narwhal
lol with aphro cast and explosive [on hera bow] the game becomes a joke
who needs skill when all go boom
latent moon
hera go boom
maiden narwhal
well yes i left that out
latent moon
hera isn't very hammer reliant, everything kinda just works
or is just a neutral hammer
maiden narwhal
i'd say flurry is negative in noob hands
latent moon
if i could aim on hera i'd play it more lmao
maiden narwhal
but otherwise yeah
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
if i could aim on hera i'd play it more lmao
MOOD
latent moon
flurry just needs a lot of practice lmao but it's just strong
maiden narwhal
and i would not just put a[phro on it i'd put everything
just to see how it plays
latent moon
well a lot of stuff kinda just sucks lmao
maiden narwhal
wouldn't dio be nice
latent moon
ares and dem casts are the biggest offenders
dio cast gets the mirage shot bug but at that point just play beo so you get the pom bug too
maiden narwhal
wouldn't dio be nice
burst damage and it doesn't lodge so you get your cast back
latent moon
dio hera is strictly worse than dio beo in every possible way
the only advantage actually would be not needing charged shot or a hammer but like damage wise
maiden narwhal
yeah but i'm talking about boons that can replace aphro for hera specifically
aphro might be best but there must be some that are b+
stone rune
phalanx but it sucks
latent moon
athena yeah
maiden narwhal
it gets boring playing the same thing
latent moon
athena and aphrodite have pretty similar damage ranges
but if you miss a shot on athena it's way more punishing than aphrodite
since aphrodite just drops the cast where the arrow is
phalanx just flies across the room
maiden narwhal
yeah asphodel would be gg
latent moon
yeah lmao
realistically speaking, aphrodite is the only one that works well on hera
flood shot is decent iirc
but everything else is kinda whatever
latent moon
unfortunately there isn't much build variation on hera that would actually be decent/good
maiden narwhal
you'd go key over sys any day right?
latent moon
sys?
latent moon
oh bouldy
maiden narwhal
which is sad cause i use it as an adjective a lot
latent moon
i'd always take story room generally
maiden narwhal
i'm asking about pathing
latent moon
but that's mainly bc i speedrun and do heat a lot so free rooms are good
maiden narwhal
even if you're done with the game?
stone rune
you'd go key over sys any day right?
no day
latent moon
if you dont need the gold/healing/darkness then keys i guess
stone rune
you would not ever in my life catch me taking key over bouldy
maiden narwhal
what you want from him
stone rune
free room
maiden narwhal
oh you mean for speed
running
ok
well that is a different game entirely
i'm talking about the normal game
latent moon
lmao yeah jazz moment
maiden narwhal
clown
latent moon
if you dont need the gold/healing/darkness then keys i guess
.
but like it doesnt matter too much imo