#h1-discussion

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unreal mason
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Also if you're having problems with the bull charge stay close to the walls and he will slam into them when you dodge out of the way

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GOOD CHOICE

maiden narwhal
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strong feelins

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yeah it's the precious

unreal mason
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Sorry, I really like Zeus (spent 2 months getting heat twr)

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So I'm very invested in that weapon

maiden narwhal
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but then he killed me

unreal mason
jagged hamlet
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Shouldn't have laughed pffff

maiden narwhal
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theseus laughs at you when he kills you

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worst

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i have never gotten past heros

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i feel like if i can just clear them, styx and dad will be cake

latent moon
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what's your pact

maiden narwhal
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hl 80% js and calisthenics at 1, td at 2, em at 3, mm and the one that turns armoured mobs into real expletives and max fo

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i think that's 32

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oh and lc at full

latent moon
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oh that explains a bit

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hl4 and fo2 isn't fun

unreal mason
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Are you using acorn at heroes?

latent moon
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neitehr is cp1

maiden narwhal
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i just suck at blocking

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it's never ever been something i did when playing dd

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but with sd there's no choice

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worked

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or not

leaden birch
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nuh uh

unreal mason
maiden narwhal
maiden narwhal
latent moon
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i'd consider dc2

leaden birch
# maiden narwhal i just suck at blocking

I came back to hades after like over a year's worth of pause (I have other games to play lol) and I did runs with all of the weapons by now right
shiled a few times

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shield

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I keep forgetting to block

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I just go full offense with the shield

maiden narwhal
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but obv i need to learn it's a huge mechanic

leaden birch
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I mean idk shield is probably the best weapon meta wise
but other than that it's up to personal preference tbh
there's always that

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what's good vs what's fun

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although I wouldn't say the shield isn't fun

maiden narwhal
leaden birch
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had a pretty good run with the bouncing special throw + doom

maiden narwhal
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so fair enough

leaden birch
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I have 145 hours on the game rn
I can definitely keep playing vanilla BUT I just installed

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OlympusExtra which I only recently heard about

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and I'm definitely curious about it

maiden narwhal
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i'm dying to see it but i want my clears to be unsullied

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hades 2 better have minerva

upper wolf
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I wonder if OlympusExtra works with the QoL from the speedrunning modpack. Or the DPS meter.

maiden narwhal
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wait that's roman

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minerva is athena

leaden birch
maiden narwhal
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damnit

leaden birch
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you don't wanna artificially make them easier??

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I'd assume OlympusExtra is relatively balanced

maiden narwhal
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romans included love and beauty in minerva

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something athena wasn't known for

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she was leader and war

maiden narwhal
unreal mason
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and wisdom and a bunch of other things

maiden narwhal
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that would make my clear feel pointless

unreal mason
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fair enough

upper wolf
leaden birch
maiden narwhal
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oh i missed your earlier messages

basically yeah that's what i meant by unsullied

leaden birch
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I see

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but like I said idk

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OlympusExtra is probably

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relatively balanced

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BUT I will find that out tomorrow.

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I finished the install but it's late

maiden narwhal
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once i clear 32 i'll check it out

unreal mason
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Eh, I only really downloaded the speedrun modpack very late into my playing

leaden birch
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that is fair

maiden narwhal
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i'm done with challenging myself after that

mint coral
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from what I remember apollo boons looked very bouldy

unreal mason
maiden narwhal
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idk how speed runners do it

mint coral
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at least on paper idk how it is in actual gameplay

maiden narwhal
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how do you not dash around breaking urns you know have no gold in them

leaden birch
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busted?

rustic vale
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bouldy means a lot of things

maiden narwhal
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i've always taken it to mean "no words"

rustic vale
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Never seen it used for busted

leaden birch
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idk I barely visit this server

maiden narwhal
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INTERLOPER

leaden birch
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other than now with the recurring hades phase

rustic vale
leaden birch
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uh huh

rustic vale
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Sums it up pretty well

leaden birch
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also the art for OlympusExtra is so dope

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the gods are also voiced right?

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at least that's what it says

rustic vale
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Should be

leaden birch
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oh wait

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Cerberus companion??

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oh they probably used EM4 hades thingy

rustic vale
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Given they’re currently looking for voice actors “again”

leaden birch
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he uses cerberus for a bit right?

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I haven't played EM4 in forever

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I think I only cleared it once and then went back to what I'm comfortable with

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but that was over a year ago

rustic vale
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Yeah it’s mainly a high heat thing once there aren’t any better options

maiden narwhal
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well 10 plus whatever max fo gives

rustic vale
maiden narwhal
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16 sounds fine

leaden birch
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I came back to most of my weapons at like 10 heat
but I've done a few runs since my initial comeback (like a few days ago tbh) and I'm roughly hovering at 11-12 rn
I'm not really striving for high heat but I'll probably keep gradually turning it up

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cuz so far out of the

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hang on let me check

fervent radish
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try this pact

leaden birch
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7 runs I did since coming back

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I passed 6/7
and the one I failed was with

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ares attack on the gun

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which as I found out

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does not work

maiden narwhal
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i came back to everything feeling so alien i started a fresh file

maiden narwhal
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i've lost two promising runs to 7m

leaden birch
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HONESTLY THO

fervent radish
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No CP and JS makes it a little easier

leaden birch
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what surprises me is like

fervent radish
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but understandable

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Are you just trying to clear 32 on anything?

leaden birch
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140+ hours in there's still

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new dialogue popping up

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which is really neat

fervent radish
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what weapon you on rn

unreal mason
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they're on zeus

fervent radish
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oh

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that's probably the worst option to go fast ngl

unreal mason
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But it's safe and awesome

fervent radish
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but the timer is the issue

mint coral
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you make it sound like it's awful for td3

fervent radish
fervent radish
unreal mason
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Maybe try taking td1 and increase ap1

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or go routine inspection as well, zeus doesn't feel weak with it

fervent radish
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if the goal is simply to clear at 32, try eris or beowulf

unreal mason
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was my first 32

fervent radish
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oh true hestia cooks

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i think it was mine as well lol

stiff obsidian
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my first 32 was with zagfists lol

leaden birch
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I just wanna play the game for fun

unreal mason
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I think on my first 32 heat I did tight deadline 0 so I took things super slow

leaden birch
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and tight deadline just seems stressful more than anything

mint coral
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td is mainly mentality tbh

leaden birch
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like in general I don't really

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go for speed or speedrunning in games I play

unreal mason
stone rune
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it is a truth universally acknowledged that every first 32 with td2 will have a td3 time

leaden birch
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I like to take my time

unreal mason
stiff obsidian
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👍

mint coral
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td is just this

stiff obsidian
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trueee

fervent radish
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td was one of my first heat selections i think

latent moon
fervent radish
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I just like going fast, gives me that rush

stiff obsidian
latent moon
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td1 might patch up some problems but it'll create new ones

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hl4 and cp1 are the biggest offenders

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cf2 and/or dc2 would help

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ap1 even

fervent radish
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idk, the only time I've really had an issue with td3 is at 50 on zeus

unreal mason
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Yeah, I didn't take td3 until 60 heat zeus shield (although I skipped between 56 and 60)

stiff obsidian
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yeah at high heat it starts hitting you

stiff obsidian
fervent radish
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It's just EM4

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Wait

unreal mason
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I played td2 and got like 18 minutes, so I decided to play td3

stiff obsidian
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you did 56 with td2?

unreal mason
fervent radish
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yeah i c

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interesting

unreal mason
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I'll see if I can find the screenshot

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I think this was my first modded high heat success

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everything before was before I found the magic of the speedrunning modpack

maiden narwhal
unreal mason
stiff obsidian
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nah thats impressive

unreal mason
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I mean, it took me a long time to progress any higher than 60 heat, and my current best is probably my most proud achievement

stiff obsidian
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naturally

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it took me a long time to progress any higher than 60 heat

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no kidding

unreal mason
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You say that, but from 55 to 60 it took me about a week or 2 (maybe 3) but 60-64 took me 2 months

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big difference

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(although I finally proved that anyone, even noobs, could beat 64)

maiden narwhal
# fervent radish Are you just trying to clear 32 on anything?

yes and no

i went to 20 with zeus shield, and then did 25 on the second sd attempt

so now i'd really like to finish it with zeus, without a guide

if it gets too challenging and i get frustrated, i'll check out nanners' guide

if i still can't clear with z shield i'll say chuck it and switch to beo or see if i can do gilgamesh at 20

stiff obsidian
unreal mason
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It's more different skills needed, at 60 you can afford to go fast and tank a lot of hits, at 64 you need to be efficient and know enemy patterns so that you don't get hit much (although I still got hit a bunch)

unreal mason
unreal mason
stiff obsidian
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🙏

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i joined at the perfect time

unreal mason
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🙏

stiff obsidian
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to early to clear 64, to late to watch strats develop, just in time to see 64 be cleared multiple times

unreal mason
stiff obsidian
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but then id have to play sh*eld

unreal mason
unreal mason
stiff obsidian
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why arent people trying eris 64 ☹️

proper tusk
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is it routine inspection

stiff obsidian
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yep

proper tusk
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ok yea makes sense

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stubborn defiance pretty good

stiff obsidian
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if its like hestia or something you wouldnt take damage control either

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yea

unreal mason
stiff obsidian
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yeah shield can skip the dash i guess

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i should try eris 64 to elysium for the memes

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i tried once and did hitless tart into x4 armoured drakon chambers in aspho

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x3 i think

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cant get x4

fervent radish
stiff obsidian
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yeah

tulip sapphire
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Ok how many dozen times i need to talk to sisyphus until i release him?

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i've completed all keepsake lvl 3 and i just cant get the dialogue

drowsy linden
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he pulls from a pool of dialogue

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so the less unique dialogue you can get(ie using his keepsake, i think maxing it, etc), the easier it is

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this applies for every single dialogue in the game

mint coral
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you need dialogue from meg and nyx about him

tulip sapphire
drowsy linden
mint coral
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tbf I also thought you needed more dialogue from sisyphus himself lmao

tulip sapphire
mint coral
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is nyx at 5+ hearts?

tulip sapphire
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yes, i basically have everyone at 6+

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i'll just rush till him a few more times

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then i'm done

formal citrus
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Chill with no FO us pretty helpful for not getting hit

mint coral
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lmfao, somehow mixed up an erebus gate for a chaos gate

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oh well, quick reset moment

last veldt
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I do that far more often than I'd like to admit

tulip sapphire
mint coral
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nah

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can give nectar to it

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4 skull-o-mat combat my beloved

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on the other side, I still skill issue at aspho stairs room

mint coral
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where does Than drop heart in bridge room

rose roost
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that's a question for speedcord

stone rune
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idk which side but it shouldnt matter

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i think its on the side of the exit

mint coral
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squirtnya 👍

tulip sapphire
# mint coral can give nectar to it

might be just coincidence, but soon as i give nectar to bouldy, at the same time a new dialogue appears in sisyphus head, and the fates prophecy notification popped after the dialogue

rustic vale
west relic
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I swear Elden ring is the easiest game in the world compared to hades

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Cause wtf

stone rune
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wat

west relic
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Just the RNG in this game is wild

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Some games I’ll make it to the final boss in the campaign, others I die in the 3rd act

rustic vale
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Without even touching any sort of special save scumming

tulip stone
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Is 12:17 a solid speedrun time

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That’s about as fast as i can muster atm

latent moon
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anything is a solid speedrun time

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have you looked into any guides

tepid light
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comparing hades to elden ring is kind of a meaningless exercise anyway

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entirely different games

wet mantle
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Just had my best run going and then got hit with a 5 room in styx lol

tepid light
wet mantle
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Fair point 😂

tepid light
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<---- guy who always does more styx chambers than needed to increase odds againt dad

lavish sorrel
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  • suddenly, Tight Deadline bell sounds
tepid light
vague peak
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Hi

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Any tips for Skelly’s first statue?

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AKA 8 heat.

stiff obsidian
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what aspect

rose roost
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this should work for all aspects

stiff obsidian
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em3 too much for 8 heat

rose roost
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if you don't want em3 that early you could take the later pacts

vague peak
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Yeah I don’t want to do EM3 yet either.

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So what other pacts would work well with that.

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Also quick question: should I clear the aspect to 8 heat or go overboard early?

rose roost
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whatever you are comfortable with ig

vague peak
rose roost
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you could try td2,CF,hl,bp1,mm,uc

vague peak
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tho EM3 has an achievement so… maybe?

vague peak
rose roost
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I would say getting used it em3 early helps later

rose roost
vague peak
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UC literally just enforces you to purge a boon, the only time that screws you over is if you have a Legendary or Duo Boon in a slot.

gray apex
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You could get a duo or legendary and still have useless boons to sell

rose roost
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or worse the lego and duo are useless

vague peak
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Very true, that’s what I do most of the time.

vague peak
vague peak
echo minnow
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WE ARE SOOOO BACK

deep glade
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huge

wicked sage
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yo, why dont the themes show up in my house contractor menu? i have the stuff needed (i think)

last veldt
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I'd imagine you just don't actually have the prerequisites yet.

echo minnow
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had an Idea

vague peak
echo minnow
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i don ' t even know

vague peak
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I uh… yeah maybe i don’t wanna know, lol…

vague peak
vague peak
wicked sage
rustic vale
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There are a lot of other scenarios wherr you would get screwed by uc and a ton where a leg/duo is just free obols

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echo minnow
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THIS GUY GETS IT

quasi dust
echo minnow
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a Thought

devout torrent
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i love how skinny you made zagreus (chibiless loser👎👎👎)

quasi dust
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Chibiless loser lmao

echo minnow
quasi dust
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I mean aren't the server emotes chibis?

echo minnow
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i need to draw in ms paint more its been aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages

quasi dust
echo minnow
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oh wait

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good point

quasi dust
quasi dust
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Called it

quasi dust
echo minnow
echo minnow
quasi dust
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My english is ass forgive me

rustic vale
quasi dust
rustic vale
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Love you bouldy nectar

quasi dust
echo minnow
quasi dust
echo minnow
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but qpp is queer platonic partner !

quasi dust
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I know what that is

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Ok

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I didn't read that properly lmao

devout torrent
echo minnow
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HELP 😭

quasi dust
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I get it now nvm lmfao

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I'm blindzagcry zagcry

quasi dust
echo minnow
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hades is so cool i wish gay people were real

devout torrent
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real

quasi dust
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Fr

nocturne kelp
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Man I LOVE my discord bio‼️

rustic vale
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Which is real

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And in Hades

echo minnow
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echo minnow
quasi dust
rustic vale
quasi dust
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I died to it sm when I was starting off

devout torrent
echo minnow
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i am onec again wanting to ask if anyone has canon identities in hades because i have headcannons but idk if they get in the wya of actual canon

echo minnow
quasi dust
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Zag screams bi to me, personally

nocturne kelp
quasi dust
nocturne kelp
echo minnow
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do you think achilles is achillean . Discuss

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rustic vale
echo minnow
echo minnow
quasi dust
echo minnow
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its like one am but i cant stop thinking aboht zag Gelp

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i beed to sleep so bad

quasi dust
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Please sleep

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Somehow

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Idk

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I'm off to have lunch

echo minnow
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I CANT IM OFINGTO DIE

rustic vale
quasi dust
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Yeah why

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Also I lied

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I have to boil the pasta

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Anyway what's troubling your sleep

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quasi dust
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I ain't bringing it there

devout torrent
quasi dust
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I'm not uber eats

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I'm joking btw

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Love forgetting the /jbouldy

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There we go

nocturne kelp
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Chezburg pls

quasi dust
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No

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Pasta

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For the love of god

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nocturne kelp
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Munches

devout torrent
echo minnow
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thinking about my wofe

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wife

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its even worse now my catnis cuddling me so i cant leave him to go pht down my phone and turn o nthomas jefferson and

devout torrent
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THOMAS JEFFERSON???!?

echo minnow
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MY SPEAKER ‘ S NAME JS TJOMAS JEFFERSON

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my phone is maximillien robespierre and my ipad is louis antoine saint - just

devout torrent
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OH😭😭😭

echo minnow
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my laptop is marquis de la fayette

steep condor
devout torrent
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o

echo minnow
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sorry now i can go insane with my silly little hcs

quasi dust
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Yipee!

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This'll be fun

echo minnow
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guyyssss aroace thanatos Listen to me

steep condor
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you know what i keep wondering about (you andyou can't stop me from telling you)

echo minnow
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what do you keep wondering about

quasi dust
quasi dust
devout torrent
quasi dust
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Its a masterpiece

echo minnow
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the thanatos and hypnos one i made wont load for some reason :(

quasi dust
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:((

steep condor
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in the noclip documentary, art director jen zee says she'd sometimes ask the writer (greg kasavin) random questions about the characters, like, "what does thanatos like to eat"

echo minnow
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im gonna eat thanatos

steep condor
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ever since i saw that, i need to know. what does thanatos like to eat

echo minnow
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cheesecake

quasi dust
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God now I wanna know too

echo minnow
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lemon tarts

quasi dust
echo minnow
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i think hed like the texture

steep condor
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aroace than actually really makes srnse though. never considered it

echo minnow
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also danishes and uhh how do you spell murang

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moorang

quasi dust
echo minnow
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meauruenangg

echo minnow
quasi dust
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Cheesecake is so good

echo minnow
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i also think he is autistic as hel

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l

quasi dust
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I like your headcanons

echo minnow
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double A . autistic aro ace

echo minnow
quasi dust
quasi dust
echo minnow
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SAME THING

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ITS ONE THIRTY

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LET ME@LIVE

quasi dust
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I don't really have any but they're fun to think abt

devout torrent
quasi dust
echo minnow
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hypnos is the adhd creature

quasi dust
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Only one of those

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Not all 3

devout torrent
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i’m all three

rustic vale
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quasi dust
echo minnow
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z

echo minnow
quasi dust
echo minnow
quasi dust
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Damn

lavish sorrel
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🫡

quasi dust
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I mean

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Cool

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quasi dust
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Idk what to say to that sorry lmao

quasi dust
echo minnow
quasi dust
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Sorry for laughing

echo minnow
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NO ITS OK ITS DUNNY

quasi dust
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It is lmfaozagcry zagcry

steep condor
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i used to think i was aroace, until i realized i'm attracted to literally everyone, so now i'm bi. but it's sorta the same thing, just a different label

toxic trellis
quasi dust
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I thought I was ace and here we are

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I don't really label myself but I like everyone

echo minnow
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im aroace and saphillean :3

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and ambiamorous

quasi dust
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Pple are cool. Most of the timezageyes

quasi dust
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lavish sorrel
echo minnow
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OK GOODBIGHT I REALLY HAVE TO SLEEP I HAVE TUTORING TOMORROW

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GOODNIGHT

quasi dust
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IGHT CYA

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SLEEP WELL

devout torrent
quasi dust
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I just splashed the boiling pasta water all over me like an idiot

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(I'm fine)

lavish sorrel
nocturne kelp
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Rip cactus

quasi dust
quasi dust
nocturne kelp
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It was hiding on my carpet when...

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But I pulled it out normally it didn't hurt (except when i stepped on a small one.)

devout torrent
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yowch

quasi dust
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Ouch

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That must've hurtzagcry

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The steam from the water is hitting my face eughzagsnooze

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A terrible feeling I must say

leaden birch
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it's a good mod but the quality of the base game is INSANE so there's still a pretty noticeable difference between modded content and the existing gods

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I'm being really picky for some reason

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idk it's hard to explain
there's just a contrast that I don't like

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but there's definitely a lot of effort put into it

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🧙‍♂️

brisk trail
quasi dust
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YOOOO

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Bouldy you absolute legend

nocturne kelp
devout torrent
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bouldy ‼️‼️🤯🤯

steep condor
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when you die by tight deadline, are you not essentially killed / taken home by thanatos

quasi dust
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Huh

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Idk

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Aren't you taken by the Styx? Like doesn't the animation play out? Idk I may be misremembering

upper wolf
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well yeah, than must still takes the styx I believe

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isn't his (and hermes') job to bring people to charon ?

quasi dust
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Oh right

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I thought they just brought pple straight to the underworld instead of charon

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My bad, again

steep condor
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there's also the bell tolling and green hue effect

but than pretends like nothing happenedzagsad

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(i know, i know, it wasn't possible to add dialog for everything, stillzagsad )

quasi dust
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I guess it could be Than?

steep stirrup
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Do yall think a good enough fan art may be noticed by the Devs?

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Like I doubt it will but idk how close is supergigant games with the community

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Imma draw it anyway tho

steep condor
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they might notice it but a) there's lots of very good hades fanart and 2) i think they don't usually say anything if they see it because if they say something one time it'd be like opening a can of worms

steep stirrup
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Yeah that's logical

stone rune
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i mean they might see it but like what would they do

steep stirrup
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Yeah that makes sense

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Still I've started the drawing and I think it's gonna look sick finished so

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I'm making the bone hydra boss fight scene

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Gotta be my favourite boss fight so far

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I dont think there's a bad boss fight in the game but that's another topic

stone rune
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so long as u dont get pink heads i think lernie is my favorite part of the game

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i remember particularly struggling with lernie

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i had a hard time getting under 30s

steep stirrup
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I don't think I've come this far

stone rune
#

now i can consistently get below 25 with decent rng

stiff obsidian
#

i like lernie too

stone rune
#

and it just feels so nice

quasi dust
steep stirrup
#

The minotaur and the other guy who's name I keep forgetting bossfigt is the furthest I got

stiff obsidian
#

yeah i can do hitless lernie near consistently now

#

depending on heads

quasi dust
steep stirrup
#

Yea him

stone rune
#

i had a 22 damageless lernie once

stiff obsidian
#

i think i saw this

steep condor
#

beautiful

steep stirrup
#

Is it asphodel on higher difficulties?

quasi dust
steep condor
#

if you mind spoilers, there's the hades for new players channel here btw

steep stirrup
#

Oh I don't mind that much

#

It would be nice to not know what comes after Elysium but it ain't that strict

#

I feel like tonight imma just sit down and beat the base difficulty

#

It may be ironic cus I've only gotten to elysium and idk how much left to go but idc

fervent radish
#

If you want to know, after elysium, there's ||1 more biome||

rugged pivot
#

How do I know how many nectars I've given bouldy?

fervent radish
#

lmao

#

why would you want to know that

steep stirrup
#

I mean last run I got close to beating elysiums boss

rugged pivot
#

I keep giving him but he doesn't show up in the compendium

fervent radish
#

oh

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I don't know if he's in the codex tbh

devout torrent
#

he’s not

rugged pivot
#

He isn't

steep stirrup
#

The only npc that's worth nectar-ing is skelly and you can't change my mind

#

Well there's also dusa Eurydice and sisiphus but that's about it

rugged pivot
#

I'm trying to do Sisyphus favour so idk if I need to max bouldy's bond too

#

But I guess you can just give him nectars indefinitely?

#

It's not like others where after 6 they have a favour

steep stirrup
#

Favour

mint coral
#

Everyone has

#

Except bouldy

#

bouldy is nectar dump

rugged pivot
#

Ohh alr

mint coral
#

Giving nectar to bouldy gives you a small buff

#

You can see it on your boon menu

rugged pivot
#

Alr cool

#

I guess I'll always do it since I can't give nectars to anyone else

fervent radish
#

real

#

sometime's it can be like 9% move speed which is funny

steep stirrup
mint coral
#

Skelly favor is ez

steep stirrup
#

What is it cus maybe I already got it and I just didn't realised

#

I didn't keep track of how much nectar I gave him

mint coral
#

Has he given you his prophecy yet

#

Max out zag sword

steep stirrup
#

Oh alr

rugged pivot
#

"you believe in bouldy, and Bouldy believes in you"

#

Cast damage bonus +9% alr bouldy

drowsy linden
#

high roll

steep stirrup
wheat grail
#

I beat Hadès for the 1st time today after 20 hours! V I C T O R Y ! :DDD

leaden birch
#

thank god for automatic save backups

#

I pulled the stupidest stunt by installing 3+ GB worth of mods into my main save (olympusextra)

#

decided I wanted to go back to vanilla

#

and ended up corrupting my save file

#

who could've GUESSED

#

it's almost like you're SUPPOSED to make new save files for huge mods

jagged hamlet
#

Gigabytes? How?

leaden birch
#

voiced gods and etc

#

I didn't really like it tho cuz like
it's a good mod but the base game quality is insane
so there's still a clear contrast between what's modded and what's not

#

so that messed with me

#

nevermind I'm cooked

#

I can't enter the weapons area without crashing

maiden narwhal
#

is hs rd (both common) worth five dice?

lavish sorrel
#

depends on aspect and build

maiden narwhal
#

zeus shield, zeus attack, zeus special, aphro cast (which i plan to sell once i have smouldering air)

#

no dash or call yet

#

going into elysium

lavish sorrel
#

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#

so you ever reset runs

#

if yes, then roll for common RD, else not

maiden narwhal
#

wym reset runs?

lavish sorrel
#

by "reset" I mean ending runs early by dying, to get a new seed

maiden narwhal
#

ah

#

no i play them out

#

unless it's absolutely terrible

#

seed was aphro attack then it offered me zeus upgrade now it's offering me aphro upgrade

#

@lavish sorrel

#

wyt

#

someone said don't switch attacks

#

but idk why

#

as long as it's not messing with any upgrades or synergies

#

in this case, i don't think it is

#

shield still applies jolted

#

attack hits like a truck

#

can sell cast sooner

#

i talked me into it

#

but please let me know why i'm wrong

#

asap

lavish sorrel
#

attack swap is good here, I think? your damage is coming from special, but you're probably still better off getting more boons to sell at midbiome wells (UC is on in your pact)

maiden narwhal
#

cool so that was the right call here

#

ok i got an attack mechanics sort of question

#

when you're playing shield and you're in an encounter you need to block in

#

or let's assume you're good at shield and block in all encounters, regardless

#

and your foe is a bit away

#

like throws a spear or has a bow or one of those shields

#

do you do a short rush, then dash, or do you do a long hold to close the gap?

#

in general, do you charge block, or do v short bursts?

#

(assuming you don't have cshot)

#

(and never will)

latent moon
#

I remember you asking to like sell some % attack for some other % increasing attack and there's not really any point of that

#

Replacing is fine, selling then getting another is mostly not fine

maiden narwhal
#

ah i didn't realise that scenario was selling and replacing

maiden narwhal
#

because you lose pom levels?

latent moon
#

You're not guaranteed to get an attack boon from who you want

maiden narwhal
#

oh

#

yeah, fair

latent moon
#

Unless you force it

maiden narwhal
#

but if you're selling, you didn't get an attack boon from who you wanted anyway

#

unless your other two options are primo

latent moon
#

Yeah but unless what you have absolutely sucks then don't sell it

#

You can still work with it

maiden narwhal
#

hm

#

alright

latent moon
#

I'd maybe only consider it before aspho since you can actually force what you want

#

But after that theres no point

#

Also you're using Zeus shield your attack boon doesn't really matter

#

You can just take anything

maiden narwhal
#

except special

latent moon
maiden narwhal
#

zeus shield, zeus special

latent moon
#

Yeah because that's where your damage is coming from

#

That's the most important part of your build

maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

If it reaches then yeah that's fine

#

I was under the assumption that it didn't reach

maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

If you want to hit them with the atk before the bull rush thats also good

maiden narwhal
#

i mean i constantly cast and return shield

#

and try to have it out as much as possible

#

but my main focus is attacks

#

should i switch special to left click?

#

would that help?

latent moon
#

Your attack supplements the special damage but the attack shouldn't be the majority of your damage

maiden narwhal
#

it's the majority of my actions

latent moon
#

I mean yeah you'll click it more often because the special is just out more often and doesn't need that much spamming

#

Just be aware that your special does a lot of damage with jolted and play around it

maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

Hit enemies into it, group enemies around and towards it

maiden narwhal
#

so if i do manage to play with special on my left click, do i also want to land blows with my attack as much as possible?

#

because that would confuse me

#

but if i used attack less, like how i use special on gloves..

#

would that work?

latent moon
maiden narwhal
#

hm

latent moon
#

Your attack does do damage so might as well use it

maiden narwhal
#

that doesn't sound fun to learn

latent moon
#

Zeus shield is hard to play lmao

maiden narwhal
latent moon
#

You can still half ass it and get good results tho

fervent radish
#

If you get a solid boon on your special you can let it do the damage while you block with the attack

latent moon
#

In a couple hours I can upload a Zeus run

#

That might help if you wanna watch it

maiden narwhal
#

yeah that sounds cool

latent moon
#

I'm not like an expert but I'm probably decent enough

maiden narwhal
#

i think instead of short bursts i'll try to keep the shield out more and dash around them instead of into them

autumn rose
#

hes bananas

maiden narwhal
#

but the shield doesn't taunt so idk how that's going to happen

latent moon
#

I haven't played it in months so who knows lmao

maiden narwhal
#

i guess kite them group them, backwards attack

latent moon
autumn rose
#

i think pulversing blow can make zeus shield a lot easier to play for new players

maiden narwhal
#

i love shield for that

maiden narwhal
#

i just got dio seed

autumn rose
#

eeeeEEEEWWWWWW

#

zeus keepsake perchance

maiden narwhal
#

pulv is nice for stack apply

#

no forcing gods

#

until 33

autumn rose
#

interesting

maiden narwhal
#

meta says you should be able to 32 without a "build"

#

so i'm playing whatever comes

autumn rose
#

pulv makes zeus a lil easier to play cus the no knock back means u can incorporate ur attack and special without knocking people out of the special, experienced players can usually handle the knockback tho and get use out of both regardless w bull rushes and stuff

maiden narwhal
#

and hopefully making good decisions

autumn rose
#

u certainly "could"

#

but id just try beat it by any means for the first time

#

then go from there

maiden narwhal
#

so now i'm trying to go from 25 to 32

#

for no other reason than i want to

#

if it gets annoying i'll do whatever to make it fun again

autumn rose
#

im not sure wym by like

#

without a build

#

u can still get a good build without god keepsakes

#

unless ur deliberately taking the worse options

maiden narwhal
#

no, i'm going for the good ones

#

i mean without a metabuild

#

in mind

latent moon
#

Less build means you need better skill

maiden narwhal
#

like "i'll do beo shield and force mirage"

#

kind of a thing

maiden narwhal
leaden birch
#

I'm curious

#

what do you guys usually go for on fists

#

like attack/special boon wise

stiff obsidian
maiden narwhal
#

yeah sometimes i steamroll dad
sometimes i struggle

rugged pivot
#

No way bro Sisyphus said nah I'm good I just wanna push this boulder for the rest of eternity

maiden narwhal
#

consistent would be nice

#

not having to depend on a super strong build

rugged pivot
#

Got the trophy for his quest at least

maiden narwhal
#

it was a really nice touch i thought

rugged pivot
#

Ehat

autumn rose
maiden narwhal
#

yeah but i mean

#

you don't need m.e until late

autumn rose
#

yeah you'll probably still be fine til u get it but zeus is mayb a lil better until that point methinks

maiden narwhal
#

obv the earlier the better but if you're forcing two gods it's not really that risky

and you only need to force one, really, you usually get offered the other

rugged pivot
maiden narwhal
#

own?

leaden birch
#

but yeah zeus does seem like it'd be solid

maiden narwhal
#

camus wrote an essay called the myth of sisyphus

where he says it's in the act of pushing the boulder up, and in knowing he'll have to do it again, that true happiness lies

something to do with resignation idk

leaden birch
#

I think demeter might also work really well if you get that

#

10 chill refresh boon thing whatev

#

what about dionysus
does dio attack work with fists?

#

I'd assume it does

maiden narwhal
#

anything that adds a second source of damage goes on fist/fast melee atack

rugged pivot
#

Sisyphus is a mythological figure written by Homer

#

Idk why I was supposed to know about Camus

#

But alr

maiden narwhal
#

...

#

you're not supposed to know about camus

but if you had known about camus, you would understand the reference in the game

autumn rose
maiden narwhal
#

and idk why you're telling me who sisyphus is lol

i'm the one who's read camus, remember

#

anyway

#

now you know

autumn rose
rugged pivot
#

Just saying Sisyphus doesn't come from Camus, but from greek mythology

maiden narwhal
#

you have no idea what i'm saying, do you?

rugged pivot
#

I do, i perfectly understand and I find your comment funnily petty

#

"oh wow you don't know about Camus smh smh..."

maiden narwhal
#

you were talking about how in the game sis decides to keep pushing the rock

camus wrote an essay that explains why, in the game, sis decides to keep pushing the rock

if you had known about camus and the essay, the decision he made in the game to keep pushing the rock would not have surprised you

#

none of you are invited to my ted talk

maiden narwhal
rugged pivot
#

It didn't surprise me at all I literally knew about it

#

I found it pretty funny how he says it in the game so suddenly

#

Mb for joking around

#

Anyway I'm out

maiden narwhal
#

this is wonderful weather we're having

void vigil
#

There’s no need to get snappy over literature

maiden narwhal
#

balmy

#

i wasn't getting snappy over literature

autumn rose
maiden narwhal
#

fine

#

duffy can come

#

but that's it

autumn rose
maiden narwhal
#

dio attack aphro special epic pos dash

#

this run is going to own

maiden narwhal
#

think strong drink with lc4 is still worth it for the damage %?

autumn rose
#

dio can be okay on zeus special but u prolly wanna get some duo boons to make it worth while

autumn rose
#

all those other dio boons r pretty bad

maiden narwhal
#

it's just funny cause your reaction to dio was the exact opposite of reddits'

maiden narwhal
autumn rose
#

eh

maiden narwhal
#

40% is a pretty high bar

#

i mean sd only gives you 30

#

so you're in the money as soon as you respawn

autumn rose
#

its such a smol amount of resistance tho

maiden narwhal
#

epic tho

autumn rose
#

and its not active 60% of the time

maiden narwhal
#

common gives 10

autumn rose
#

what epic give

maiden narwhal
#

i uno

#

i'm assuming 40

#

well he's offering trippy drink and outlook

#

so i guess drink is best

autumn rose
#

blackout is guaranteed with trippy fr squirtdevious

#

its guaranteed right squirtdevious

autumn rose
#

prolly 20

maiden narwhal
#

someone told me trippy bad on z shield

#

but i think i should get it anyway since im applying hangover

autumn rose
#

trippy isnt good a lot of the time

#

blackout aint all that either

#

but

#

its funni

maiden narwhal
#

scintillating is great against dad

#

if you suck at killing dad

fervent radish
#

Lrod moment

autumn rose
#

unless ur doing a build specific to ur cast lrod is just better imo

maiden narwhal
#

right?

#

hang on

#

yeah

#

that song that goes can't keep runnin awaaay

that's p much all i do when i drop lrod against dad

#

and it works so good

#

lrod op

autumn rose
#

ill never understand lrod hate

maiden narwhal
#

i didn't know it existed

#

it so good wha

#

why don't people like it?

#

because cast is more consistent?

autumn rose
#

idrk lmao

#

all i know is ive seen haelian put it in like B tier in one or two tierlists

#

but like if ur doin a zeus build i see no reason not to have it

#

its def gonna be doing more dmg than boiling blood

#

even then u can jus have 2 casts on the floor and stick 1 in the boss

#

it jus stacks up a lotta dmg

upper wolf
#

if your not doing a zeus build you should take it still lol

autumn rose
#

yeah lmao

upper wolf
#

you really should avoid it only on busted builds like Rama/Hestia

#

ok and beo

#

and hera

maiden narwhal
#

if busted like bad

#

can it mean good and bad

upper wolf
#

nah

#

busted like great

maiden narwhal
#

looolol i forgot i had chaos curse on my special and i went into furies and killed myself

#

gamer supreme

autumn rose
#

hades is a real videogame

#

its true

maiden narwhal
#

the only thing better than videogames is food

autumn rose
#

oh dear

maiden narwhal
#

it's amazing i'm not 400 pounds

autumn rose
#

with zeus shield??

#

re roll that

maiden narwhal
#

do you generally waste dice on chaos?

#

cool

stone rune
#

ni

#

dont

#

take assault

maiden narwhal
#

oh wow i just realised

#

it's a 20 sided die

#

not a skull

formal citrus
#

good ol icosahedron

autumn rose
#

idrk know how to answer that

stone rune
#

its a waste on zeus

#

tak assault

autumn rose
#

its too late jazz

#

its too late...

stone rune
#

ok but still

maiden narwhal
#

good to know for next time

maiden narwhal
stone rune
#

i only roll over bad curses on zeus

autumn rose
#

i didnt know it was from anything but if it is id assume transformers

#

cus theres a guy called jazz

maiden narwhal
#

wym

#

you just said it

autumn rose
#

well that doesnt mean its from anything lol

maiden narwhal
#

holy sh i lolled out loud

#

why jazz

#

then

stone rune
#

thats m,e

autumn rose
#

thats him

#

he is

stone rune
#

her

autumn rose
#

el jazzinho

maiden narwhal
#

ah ok you know their name

autumn rose
#

oh

#

sorry

maiden narwhal
#

i checked profile for mention of jazz but nothing

#

so i was v confused, if it wasn't a reference

autumn rose
#

i getchu

maiden narwhal
#

extra cast

#

would have given me four trippy

#

so sad

stiff obsidian
#

wrong shield

maiden narwhal
#

because there's so much better?
or because it has negative synergy?

stone rune
#

trippy beo is good

#

trippy zeus is losing boiling blood

maiden narwhal
#

ooh

#

(boiling blood is unmarked damage right?)

autumn rose
#

attack and special

stone rune
#

its 50% additive to atk and special on enemies with lodged stone

maiden narwhal
#

ah

#

trippy doesn't lodge

#

understood

#

so hangover+trippy still not worth it?

stone rune
#

its kinda funny but not really

autumn rose
#

if its funny its worth it

maiden narwhal
#

ayy

autumn rose
#

sun tzu said that frfr

maiden narwhal
#

art of war if you can't beat em make em lol

latent moon
#

So you really only roll on chaos if all the curses are bad

maiden narwhal
#

got it

#

what's your roll priority? hermes over all?

#

do you ever roll tartarus boons, if you're looking for a core?

#

i roll seed if it's ares and no attack

fervent radish
#

Roll for jolted if you’re going Zeus+zeus

latent moon
#

Yeah jolted

maiden narwhal
#

zeus attack doesn't scale well for poms right?

#

put them all into jolted?

latent moon
#

Yeah

#

You can put like 1 or 2 into thunder flourish but priority is jolted

autumn rose
#

jolted is actually a bad boon, guys

#

🤭

stiff obsidian
#

whats jolted

latent moon
#

Hermes and jolted are your priority more or less
If you happen to naturally get prereqs for splitting bolt then you can roll for it

proper tusk
maiden narwhal
#

hang on zeus attack does mini stun?

stiff obsidian
#

attack?

latent moon
#

Maybe idk lmao

stiff obsidian
#

or special

maiden narwhal
#

attack

jagged hamlet
#

Young jazzreus

stiff obsidian
#

🤔

autumn rose
maiden narwhal
#

the fat dude was going to smack me but then recoiled

autumn rose
#

i think every attack and special stuns unshielded enemies except for rail attack?

maiden narwhal
#

yeah the chain is having some sort of effect idk if it's stun or what

autumn rose
#

its just dmg i think

#

the chain doesnt stun

#

right