wish me luck
#h1-discussion
upper wolf
SGG is looking at the chat and manually changing RNG in your games when you complain here
proud iris
probably
molten arch
ssg pls give me rocket shotgun every run I do
rustic vale
probably
They do
Can confirm it has solve about 93% of my rng issues
the only issue is whenever I’m about to sub1 the Super Giant from Super Giant games shows up and hard resets my switch
fervent radish
the only issue is whenever I’m about to sub1 the Super Giant from Super Giant ga...
He’s actually the final boss of hades 4, so it’s good that you’re getting practice
covert hare
the only issue is whenever I’m about to sub1 the Super Giant from Super Giant ga...
obv he means the super giant dog cerbie
west relic
SGG is looking at the chat and manually changing RNG in your games when you comp...
they need to change it mine cause the last phase of the final boss is ANNOYING
drowsy linden
how so
mint coral
summons ig
proper tusk
its so refreshing to be able to play casually and just get random builds instead of trying to optimize everything
heart rend on zeus shield goes kind of crazy btw
formal citrus
Do you dash before or after throwing with dashing flight to actually get its benefit?
drowsy linden
Do you dash before or after throwing with dashing flight to actually get its ben...
before
special during like with fists
devout torrent
does the lyre need max relationship with orpheus and eurydice
mint coral
does the lyre need max relationship with orpheus and eurydice
play it 210 times and talk orpheus between attempts
devout torrent
proper tusk
aaahhh
i have 4 duos left to get for the prophecy
and they’re all cast related demeter ones so i probably can only do 1 per run
mint coral
just keep selling the duos :croven:
formal citrus
~~just use Achilles a lot
latent moon
freezing vortex, crystal clarity, cold embrace, and blizzard shot?
proper tusk
yep
ig im not done with spear yet
are there any other good cast aspects
is poseidon any good
stiff obsidian
psieodon cast bad 👎
latent moon
freezing vortex on beo is funny tho
stiff obsidian
it is not
stiff obsidian
it is sad and depressing
latent moon
thats the funny part
stiff obsidian
dark humor
tepid light
i still can't wrap my head around achilles working as a castspect
my monkey brain is too strong, i just immediately start stabbing after each dash
tepid light
what
latent moon
special only rama
tepid light
that doesn't work like you think it does
latent moon
yeah it's just budget delta chamber rail
rustic vale
I mean
tepid light
unless i'm mistaken
tepid light
i'd rather just actually play rama
latent moon
unless i'm mistaken
it still hits the internal cooldown but like it does more damage than lightning strike anyways lmao
tepid light
it still hits the internal cooldown but like it does more damage than lightning ...
ok but "does more damage than lightning strike rama" is a rather low bar to clear
tepid light
ah
latent moon
actually it's like the same
rustic vale
lightning strike on rail doesn’t hit 3 extra targets after
latent moon
but rama arrows bounce yeah
but it's still budget bc you dont get the rail bomb or iframes
rustic vale
and lightning bolts from bounced arrows don’t deal reduced damage like chain lightning
maiden narwhal
i felt for sure theseus was matt berry
but then i thought where they gon afford matt berry
and then i googled it and it wasn't
but damn he would've been good for it
yeet the duo?
it seems pretty garbage
maiden narwhal
lol she's offering it again
refuses to give me defiance exploit
just as well, since i didn't die
maiden narwhal
i've got hypersprint, rush delivery, and ferocious speed
aphro on the attack
[second hammer] wallop, pulv, or empowering flight?
@latent moon wyt?
stacking weak doesn't really do anything so maybe don't take pulv?
or, take pulv and switch attack to demeter?
i've got arctic blast already
latent moon
wallop i guess
pulv blow makes blocks tkae longer from a standing strike
empowering flight doesn't really do much
also btw, you shouldn't really ever switch your attack unless the one you currently have is really bad
maiden narwhal
pulv blow makes blocks tkae longer from a standing strike
this is kinda broken in a bad way; it should hit twice in the same timeframe
maiden narwhal
also btw, you shouldn't really ever switch your attack unless the one you curren...
i don't really have a build going
maiden narwhal
aphro attack, zeus special, crystal beam and tidal dash
gonna dump the beam if i clear ely
latent moon
this is kinda broken in a bad way; it should hit twice in the same timeframe
i mean every hammer that makes you hit more than once dont hit at the same time to my knowledge
latent moon
aphro attack, zeus special, crystal beam and tidal dash
that's literally a good enough build lmao
i will say tho
pulv blow is still a good hammer
and the extra block time is like pretty marginal
so it's still good for attack focused builds
esp if you cant guarantee charged shot
maiden narwhal
esp if you cant guarantee charged shot
this is my second hammer so
why don't you like e flight?
if you dash onto them and release return in bursts
latent moon
it's just that considering the playstyle of zeus shield, it wouldn't work as well
latent moon
why don't you like e flight?
it only works when you catch it
it's not like
that meaningful imo
maiden narwhal
it only works when you catch it
i know so only throw it melee range. like when you're practically on top of them, dashing through them
latent moon
i'd rather have dashing wallop most of the time for more consistent damage and slightly more aoe
maiden narwhal
ok i'll go with that then
thanks for taking the time (:
crystal beams owned asterius so hard
and i was going to throw them away like rubbish
my precious
i didn't have the balls to melee i just threw shield and ran around like a maniac dropping beams it was the worst fight ever unwitnessed
sd had turned me into a heterosexual male i got zero confidence
@latent moon (tagging you since i know you're online sry)
going into heros
just picked up seastorm
i've been pomming dash over the special so far
do i go with aid or judgement now?
i'm leaning towards the latter 7% speed increase seems pretty significant for a god gauge (since it should already be climbing p fast)
maiden narwhal
neg
i have another but it'll use my last 2
which doesn't really matter since i already have a build by styx
latent moon
you have 2 dice left?
maiden narwhal
yes
maiden narwhal
you have 1 more for styx well
no rolls over
and shop keys don't give skulls
wait are they dice or skulls?
latent moon
pos call dem cast, snow burst, arctic blast, hydro might, different league, life affirmation
maiden narwhal
or skull shaped dice
latent moon
idk they're dice to me
latent moon
no rolls over
and shop keys don't give skulls
wdym
you said you hvae 2 dice left
use 1 now and then use 1 before styx if you have to because of UC
latent moon
i know
maiden narwhal
you said you hvae 2 dice left
i had 2 dice and the reroll cost two dice
latent moon
the screenshot you sent says that it costs 1 dice
maiden narwhal
so now i have zero dice
but i found jolted
maiden narwhal
the screenshot you sent says that it costs 1 dice
yes
and i rolled, and didn't find it
latent moon
oh wasn't aware you rolled twice for it
maiden narwhal
but it works out cause
latent moon
you have plenty of fodder anyways
maiden narwhal
got my jolted so who needs dice now
latent moon
just hope it doesn't hit thunder flourish, hyper sprint, and rd
maiden narwhal
never cleared heros
come close so many times
once i died to td
of all things
people who smoke weed when they play should not play td
maiden narwhal
just hope it doesn't hit thunder flourish, hyper sprint, and rd
oh right i got no more rolls for the well looolol i forgot
latent moon
you have so much fodder no way it hits all of that lmao
maiden narwhal
once i died to td
theseus laughed at me
latent moon
you also have 6 skelly summons
so you can use 1 on heroes lmao
would buy you a bit of time for however long skelly lasts
maiden narwhal
oh wow i could've used it on asterius
idk if other people do that but i have lost countless runs to dad with full summons
i just forget they're a thing in the game
maiden narwhal
it's all mindset ugh
equanimity is key
like when i was going from 20 to 25 and i switched to sd and i was determined to play the whole run focussed and i did and i cleared
and now i've gone from 25 to 32 and i just can't get that focus back
it's like my brain says ok you know you can do it, so whatever
so this is the one
gg
theseus chariot from underneath
90 damage
o well
weary chasm
Hello there
Just reached hades epilogue
Probably not going for 100% but i think ive done enough
Can't wait for hades 2 now
upper wolf
hades 2 do be promising
unreal mason
Glad you enjoyed that game, if you're looking for a challenge the high heat community is still quite strong and welcoming but hopefully we'll all enjoy hades 2 together
upper wolf
feel free to visit #h2-discussion to partake in the collective delirium
unreal mason
(It sounds like we're recruiting towards our respective cults)
weary chasm
Glad you enjoyed that game, if you're looking for a challenge the high heat comm...
I think ill take a break
If there is a thing i want come back to is probably trying to beat 32 heat cuz i tried it like only 2 times
maiden narwhal
theseus chariot from underneath
so.. any damage that comes from below or [directly] above can't be blocked?
maybe i'll em2 and put the heat into hl and jury
32 is 32
heros on sd is just
rugged pivot
Is 32 heat hard?
I'm wondering if I should attempt it, I've only played up to 20 heat with aspect of Hestia
Because aspect of Hestia seems really busted
stiff obsidian
go for it
rugged pivot
How much is the max heat on normal difficulty? No hell mode or stuff like that
stiff obsidian
63
rugged pivot
I guess the fact that is hell mode is the actual difficulty
echo minnow
latent moon
Is 32 heat hard?
it's challenging but with the right pact, mirror, and build, it can be a lot easier than you think it is
rugged pivot
I guess if it's challenging for you guys, it's pretty damn impossible for me
latent moon
there's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you want to take a look
rugged pivot
But I'll try later today
latent moon
I guess if it's challenging for you guys, it's pretty damn impossible for me
oh no it's not challenging for me lmao
i'm just saying like
rugged pivot
there's a guide pinned in <#725021448426749993> if you want to take a look
Thank you
rugged pivot
Oh okay
latent moon
i am not an average/casual player so it's a lot easier for me lmao
rugged pivot
Yeah got it I think I could pull it off then maybe
unreal mason
i am not an average/casual player so it's a lot easier for me lmao
you are also incredibly humble
rugged pivot
I'm pretty below average I think all I did was getting my ahh carried through heat 20 with gun
latent moon
i mean saying i'm not an average/casual player isn't wrong lmao
proper tusk
shoutout to the prophecies for making me try new things
latent moon
idk how else i would explain that
proper tusk
demeter legendary is so cool
rugged pivot
Nah I get it it's fine
unreal mason
i mean saying i'm not an average/casual player isn't wrong lmao
I'm know I'm just fooling
proper tusk
idk if it’s good but it’s so much fun
latent moon
I'm pretty below average I think all I did was getting my ahh carried through he...
fun fact, you can just use rail for 32 heat and you'll be using something comfortable lmao
proper tusk
i got 2 prophecy legendaries and 1 duo from this run
unreal mason
Nah I get it it's fine
Give 32 heat a try, it's fun but took me a while to figure out.
proper tusk
god this is so much more enjoyable than 32 heat
rugged pivot
Oh yeah I would've 100% used the rail, or maybe the bow, I can't even complete heat 10 reliably with other weapons lol
And with some like the shield or fists, I can't complete it at all
unreal mason
Oh yeah I would've 100% used the rail, or maybe the bow, I can't even complete h...
I was pretty much the same, the only weapon I played consistantly was Hestia (rail)
rugged pivot
Yeah that one exactly
It's the only rail I use
Then for other weapons I just use the default one
latent moon
hestia is one of the easiest aspects to clear 32 heat with
unreal mason
Now days I mainly play Zeus Shield since going very high heat with Hestia became more difficult (I'm fairly decent at high heat all weapons now but it took a while to figure them out).
So your tastes might change too
unreal mason
hestia is one of the easiest aspects to clear 32 heat with
Yep, my first win was Hestia for 32 heat (and 40+ heat)
lavish sorrel
GY for first four 32s person
<-
(I would not recommend it for a first-ever 32 heat experience)
unreal mason
Well apparently guan yu is very good at high heat (nearly beat 64)
unreal mason
so maybe it isn't so bad a choice for 32 (although I'd stick with a ranged weapon)
lavish sorrel
it's definitely good, but a bit like the other tricky aspects, if the player is no good at dodging, stuff can go south very quickly
steep condor
i also love hestia, and i increasingly suspect it's simply because i'm still so bad at dodging and it actually can be used as a ranged weapon
lavish sorrel
hesty is the sniping weap if there ever was one
it can obviously be played short-range, but you get less of a benefit out of that than, say, eris
rugged pivot
i also love hestia, and i increasingly suspect it's simply because i'm still so ...
It just deals so much damage
And it's immediate too
Bow you have to sit in place for a bit to let the arrow get to the perfect charge
But Hestia nah you just shoot and that's it, then reload and cancel reload with dash if necessary and you can move
stiff obsidian
I'm pretty below average I think all I did was getting my ahh carried through he...
you would be surprised how far gun carried my ass
rugged pivot
And you also have another dash in case you need it
rugged pivot
you would be surprised how far gun carried my ass
I wouldn't because it's the only weapon that I cleared all the bounties with XD
So it carried my ahh too!
stiff obsidian
if you got the hestia muscle memory down you should be able to do atleast 40 heat within a few attempts
maybe a few more to get used to the pacts
but otherwise hestia is the goat
rugged pivot
Yeah I definitely have the muscle memory, I'm just bad at the rest in general
That's why I do so good with it, once I got the execution down in like 2 attempts I didn't feel like anything was holding me back
Well "good" compared to my performance with melee weapons at least
upper wolf
also very lenient wrt build
rustic vale
so maybe it isn't so bad a choice for 32 (although I'd stick with a ranged weapo...
Guan-yu is a ranged aspect
and anyways 6/8 of the ranged weapon aspects play like melee weapons
maiden narwhal
and anyways 6/8 of the ranged weapon aspects play like melee weapons
which don't?
maiden narwhal
and anyways 6/8 of the ranged weapon aspects play like melee weapons
yoh can charge guan yu while you're dashing right?
rustic vale
which don't?
Hestia and Chiron mainly
formal citrus
But Hestia nah you just shoot and that's it, then reload and cancel reload with ...
You can dash while reloading and reload while dashing. Really, can reload while doing anything but attacking it seems like. Just have to be able to hit the button lol.
rugged pivot
You can dash while reloading and reload while dashing. Really, can reload while ...
Yeah exactly like that
The only thing you can't do is attack because it's actually reloading the shot
But once you canceled the reload with either special, cast or dodge you're free
maiden narwhal
Hestia and Chiron mainly
ah yeah chiron i was trying to think of the second
rugged pivot
That's why I like the hammer that makes it so that the special becomes a rocket
So it's not a slow moving bomb but it's a second bullet that I can fire straight after the first shot and sometimes it feels helpful against armoured enemies that don't have a lot of heath and shield in the first place
So attack removes armor and rocket takes them out, in a matter of like, non even a quarter of a second
formal citrus
rocket is very nice
I feel like I should be using it more on Eris too, now that I play it as a melee weapon.
But there are so many hammers I like on Eris.
I don't feel like hammers are a waste on it often, unlike the surprising number of times I get all special or special and long shot hammers
rugged pivot
What is Eris?
upper wolf
eris aspect of the rail
proud iris
yo, demeter legendary boon is good
weary chasm
Partner direct didn't hades 2 trailer 
fervent radish
yo, demeter legendary boon is good
Anti 13/100 calisthenics program
devout torrent
Partner direct didn't hades 2 trailer <:gilmanangst:456913427219087379>
the direct was so bad i’m being fr 😭
weary chasm
the direct was so bad i’m being fr 😭
Direct was weak but id say
Pepper grinder+ penny breakaway+ monkey ball
These are peak
I definitely recommend trying pepper grinder demo
Its barely 20 min demo but its fantastic
steep condor
Partner direct didn't hades 2 trailer <:gilmanangst:456913427219087379>
it was supposed to be for games to be released in the first half of 2024, that'd be too early for the full version of hades 2
(although not all games showcased are actually to be released in the first half.. but that's what they announced it at iirc)
drowsy linden
i hate dash nova
maiden narwhal
i had 1:07 to beat alecto and finished with 01:41 to spare 😃
mint coral
can hit him
dry mauve
its just hard to hit him with melee weapons, anything ranged still works
maiden narwhal
i had the perfect run
ferocious speed and hyper sprint and rush delivery and a strong enough build to take down asterius twice
and then td got me 😭
if i'm playing hl 80 i may as well play 100, and kick out td2?
mint coral
I mean sure, but practicing runs to start going faster is also an option
maiden narwhal
mm
mint coral
yeah ichor is always active (for the number of encounters)
mint coral
guard/sprint last for x seconds
maiden narwhal
exactly
i got it
how many orpheus conversations are there for lyre, does anybody know?
he's already talked to me once about my mad skillz
but that was ages ago
ZEUS ZEED ON ZEUS ZHIELD LETS GO
mint coral
he's already talked to me once about my mad skillz
seems like 4? dialogues
3 while mid playing one for "wow you mastered it"
maiden narwhal
seems like 4? dialogues
oof
and i'm assuming he needs to be at home, so in asphodel doesn't count
mint coral
yeah
maiden narwhal
never happening
mint coral
I still don't have this prophecy done in my switch file iirc lmao
maiden narwhal
holy sh that's hilarious
i have it done in my fresh fresh
when you said mastery it triggered a memory
@mint coral when you say meta builds, how many are aspect agnostic?
or like.. what's the ratio?
roughly
formal citrus
I don't think any of the meta builds are aspect agnostic
formal citrus
ME isn't easy to do on any of the bow
Weapon and aspect pretty largely affect what's effective
stone rune
yeah
formal citrus
and that's athena on special until you have it setup to do dash strike ME?
stone rune
yes
formal citrus
cool
maiden narwhal
every time i attack with cshot, i press r 🤦
or my finger will like twitch towards it
carmine beacon
How do you guys use Lucifer aspect?
Especially the special. I get that everything pops out at the 4th bomb, but i am not shure of how to play around that.
mint coral
If you have played eris rail, same build
Zeus atk, static discharge, tidal dash, big % special
stone rune
Especially the special. I get that everything pops out at the 4th bomb, but i am...
explode them manually
any damaging dash or attack will
carmine beacon
If you have played eris rail, same build
I did
Ok thank you. I will give it a shot.
formal citrus
How do you guys use Lucifer aspect?
Not necessarily optimal but Athena on special for deflecto balls is super fun against projectiles.
Can lead to accidental merciful end on it which can also be fun.
upper wolf
I don't think any of the meta builds are aspect agnostic
anyone can play aspect of rod
runic jungle
So I caved in and bought hades on ps5
And tbh I like it a lot more there compared to the switch
I'm annoyed I never thought to get it on Playstation before lol
wary iron
is there anyone that got the game for the first time, without having played it before and just won on the first try? fresh file with no experience?
dry mauve
what if they're a god gamer
lavish sorrel
Not even knowing everything theory about the game in advance can save the player from the imminent death that is the final fight, with one dash sword
rustic vale
what if they're a god gamer
Blind theres no way
dry mauve
i think in practice its almost impossible
but if you took someone with a lot of other game experience and skill and sat them down and told them they had to beat the game with their life on the line or something
rustic vale
Someone could do it the same way a bajillion monkeys on type writers would eventually write all of shakespears worked
dry mauve
then it might get done
there's no time limit
so with a lot of turtling i think the odds go up
in practice nobody will actually play that way on their first attempt though
lavish sorrel
then it might get done
Ping me the day it does, I wanna be there damn it
rustic vale
Odds they’re recording too
lavish sorrel
And if they get that on run1 they best be recording, or ready to screenshare another run
dry mauve
yeah i think in practice its pretty unlikely since someone playing for the first time is just trying to have fun
also they're probably not recording
but like if you literally forced someone to win at all costs playing blind then it becomes more likely
but it will probably lead to the clear being kind of degenerate
lavish sorrel
yeah i think in practice its pretty unlikely since someone playing for the first...
Even people with like 100 hours of practice cannot beat hades ff run 1, what chances does a complete newbie have
rustic vale
idk man
Watch my “friend” stream hades for his first time
It’s definitely not me
What’s this merciful end thing
rustic vale
I mean I came out of the womb completing a sub4
lavish sorrel
with no boons
They weren't recording though 
rustic vale
What’s this merciful end thing
Oh my gosh guys that dude has the same name as the game
native blade
Lel
covert hare
the quality was and still is absolutely outstanding
if i didnt know the game and someone told me they released it just yesterday
i would believe it
native blade
I could play base Hades for the rest of my life and consider it a peak game
covert hare
and whats even more crazy
is that they are making hades 2
the dev process for that is insane
and it makes me excited to see how can they make another masterpiece
native blade
Yuh
covert hare
is that they are making hades 2
i dont remember the game release date
i just know its kinda close now
but i believe it is already perfect
im pretty sure ssg could make a perfect game with only a year
now give them 5
drowsy linden
bruh i seriously cant believe this game is " old "
you should see bastion
its a great game despite coming from 2013
covert hare
its a great game despite coming from 2013
holy crap just like yokai watch
maiden narwhal
oh no
when you put aphro on zeus shield special it gets a little heart on top
can tartarus hermes offer everything?
because i rolled him twice and he gave me ~ the same garbage three times
latent moon
yeah lol
he can offer everything
just bad luck
i've gotten hyper sprint, rd, and dashes from him in tartarus before
so just unlucky
maiden narwhal
if you can read this, please appreci8 my amazing cast build...
on my zeus shield
after rolling hermes twice the best he could offer was common quick reload
and art next to him in the shop is like "and here's exit wounds!"
the worst part is i was running epic athena cast
i don't even know if that fkn thing lodges
bad luck doesn't begin to cover this nonsense
latent moon
i mean even if you get certain boons you dont have to utilize them lmao
just sell it for money
proud iris
good people
maiden narwhal
and then he gave me his legendary 😭
latent moon
the only bad luck you have with your build is not having poms lmao
maiden narwhal
also i just had to sell my attack 🤌
latent moon
unfortunate
maiden narwhal
i got the hades platinum
nice!
what's the hades platinum
latent moon
all playstation achievements
which is the same as steam iirc
is it playstation or xbox actually idk
but some console lmao
maiden narwhal
when you put aphro on zeus shield special it gets a little heart on top
AND IT THROBS it grows bigger and shrinks as the shield spins
maiden narwhal
no i mean what does that mean
proud iris
oh
maiden narwhal
all playstation achievements
but now i know
proud iris
i got all trophies
maiden narwhal
that's crazy
proud iris
yeah
maiden narwhal
i can't even get all prophecies
proud iris
122 hours
latent moon
all prophecies aren't required for achievements so you dont have to worry about that lmao
proud iris
i can't even get all prophecies
u dont need all the prophecies
maiden narwhal
can't touch civ v tho
latent moon
damn that's a lot of hours
maiden narwhal
wants them, precious
proud iris
700 hours 😄
wha
latent moon
i only have about 500 lmao
proud iris
lmao
proud iris
i only have 122
latent moon
oh lmao
proud iris
i leave it idling
lol
latent moon
if you had it idling for 200 hours then it's about the same as me lol
maiden narwhal
haha highly unlikely i think i play a hell of a lot more maybe
but don't go v far lmao
maiden narwhal
know how i killed my last laptop?
i'd leave it farming in path of exile and alt tab to windows and play scrabble
alt tab every time it wasn't my turn
fried the poor thing
it wasn't even a gaming laptop
maiden narwhal
its 3am here
you got half an hour
stiff obsidian
steam has been deleting my idle hours
so i think my hours are more or less accurate now
maiden narwhal
rofl trove spawned elite greatshield ended up giving me 62 gold 😭😭
maiden narwhal
steam has been deleting my idle hours
huh
how
proper tusk
or is there another bit after that
proper tusk
steam has been deleting my idle hours
yea i noticed that recently
maiden narwhal
how many loyalty cards do you need to max the codex entry
is that charon?
proper tusk
but its not consistent lol my hades hours will randomly swap between like 115 and 130
proper tusk
is that charon?
the drop from beating him yea
im thinking about trying to finish the codex but i don’t really want to have to do a ton of charon fights
maiden narwhal
beat him ten times wtf
well i guess you could just turn heat low and not use sd
i got the hermes challenge and i'm happy
proper tusk
i don’t really have an issue with the fight i just don’t wanna have to do a ton of runs hoping i’ll get the option to fight him
proper tusk
i got the hermes challenge and i'm happy
yea lol same
maiden narwhal
i don’t really have an issue with the fight i just don’t wanna have to do a ton ...
ah yeah that makes sense
fight is a run ender for me with sd
so no chance
proper tusk
yea the 50 damage oar hit is pretty brutal
proper tusk
just got the perfect merciful end build except the game forgot to give me merciful end
high rarity doom, impending doom, dash, hyper sprint, rush delivery, dire misfortune
latent moon
classic
echo minnow
does anyone know why my hades mods aren ' t . Modding
stiff obsidian
you have to mod the mods for the modded mods to start modding
echo minnow
i did :(
void vigil
i'd ask in the modding server, invite is pinned in #self-promotion
echo minnow
my thanks
steep stirrup
Guys I was just wondering is my opinion a common one but what's the best and worst god according to y'all
void vigil
also remember to back up your saves❗
proper tusk
just got the perfect merciful end build except the game forgot to give me mercif...
next run i turned on gods legacy, i did get merciful end, and all my other important boons were common
it’s ok what matters is i got quake cutter and now i think i’ve finished every prophecy
steep stirrup
Guys I was just wondering is my opinion a common one but what's the best and wor...
Yk according to me the best one is Ares/Zeus and the worst Def has to be aohodite
echo minnow
also remember to back up your saves❗
how do i do that
stiff obsidian
demeter 🗑️
echo minnow
Guys I was just wondering is my opinion a common one but what's the best and wor...
like boon wise orrr ?
void vigil
copy and paste them somewhere else
echo minnow
copy and paste them somewhere else
gotcha
steep stirrup
like boon wise orrr ?
Yes
steep stirrup
demeter 🗑️
I have not escaped yet so idk
echo minnow
my fav boons are from hermes , ares , dionysus i Think
steep stirrup
Alright that's a decent choice
echo minnow
i avoid zeus but i just don ' t Like Him
void vigil
aphrodite is probably the best just for the damage. demeter has a lot of boons that are kinda meh (unless you do her cast builds, which also requires luck)
unreal mason
Depends what you are playing.
echo minnow
her cast beam is craaaaaaaaaazy
echo minnow
aphrodite is probably the best just for the damage. demeter has a lot of boons t...
oh is she good for damage ?
i don
oops
i don ' t really pay attention to the comparisons
i just go PRETTY GUY !!!!!!!!!!! and choose their boon
steep stirrup
i avoid zeus but i just don ' t Like Him
Oh I just make a biuld abusing the lightning damage with shield of chaos aspect and the dedalus hammer upgrade alowing it to bounce more
unreal mason
Aphro is probably used the most in super high heat as a starting god
latent moon
Guys I was just wondering is my opinion a common one but what's the best and wor...
best is prob like zeus for versatility, aphro/artemis is up there. athena is good defensively but that's about it
worst is demeter tho
steep stirrup
Aphro is probably used the most in super high heat as a starting god
Idk I avoid her as my her as much as I can
steep stirrup
best is prob like zeus for versatility, aphro/artemis is up there. athena is goo...
Alright
echo minnow
Depends what you are playing.
wait are you meant to change what boons you pick depending on your weapon .....................................
latent moon
Idk I avoid her as my her as much as I can
aphrodite has the highest % modifier
latent moon
wait are you meant to change what boons you pick depending on your weapon .........
yeah lol
echo minnow
how do you decide on the differences
steep stirrup
aphrodite has the highest % modifier
Oh that makes her slightly better in my eyes
unreal mason
how do you decide on the differences
experience, weapons with high base damage work better with % based boons, weapons with low base damage (but fast fire rate) work better with status boons
latent moon
how do you decide on the differences
stuff that hits fast with low base damage like fists and rail attack like flat damage sources (ares, zues, dio)
stuff that hits slower with higher base damage like bow and hestia like % modifiers (mainly aphrodite)
latent moon
Oh that makes her slightly better in my eyes
she's generally considered best (or 2nd best, generally against artemis and depends on build) in slot for anything that wants a % modifier
unreal mason
Oh that makes her slightly better in my eyes
Given my highest heat win was Aphro special on Zeus shield I have a soft spot for her.
echo minnow
stuff that hits fast with low base damage like fists and rail attack like flat d...
OHH OK SO ares zeus and dionysus give you extra flat damage and aphrodite builds based on percentage of your base damage ?
steep stirrup
she's generally considered best (or 2nd best, generally against artemis and depe...
Oh that's funny
echo minnow
experience, weapons with high base damage work better with % based boons, weapon...
what are status boons
latent moon
OHH OK SO ares zeus and dionysus give you extra flat damage and aphrodite builds...
yeah
unreal mason
what are status boons
meant dio, zeus, ares
steep stirrup
I just like cursed that deal dmg tho, fits more for my play style
latent moon
status boons means flat damage in that context
echo minnow
oooh okokokok
latent moon
"status" wasn't the right word to use tho lmao
void vigil
oh i thought you meant like doom and weak
latent moon
considering status effects exist and zeus doesn't naturally give it
unreal mason
my bad
latent moon
and other factors
echo minnow
ok so basically ihave been playing the game Wrong
steep stirrup
Zeus status is good tho once you get it, I feel it would be good w doom but i haven't got lucky yet
void vigil
theres no wrong way to play the game, you just chose different boons from the "meta"
latent moon
yeah lmao i was just gonna say
unreal mason
ok so basically ihave been playing the game Wrong
Well if you've been having fun then there is no wrong way to play. but it is easier the way we described
latent moon
play however you like
echo minnow
okok :3
latent moon
whatever is "right" is just the meta and what's strong but you dont need any of that to win runs
echo minnow
cuz ive been struggling with rail cuz it does like Nothing though i really wanna use it but i just need likkkkkeeeeee more base attack boons
echo minnow
whatever is "right" is just the meta and what's strong but you dont need any of ...
what is meta
unreal mason
meta means the proven go to builds developed by the community
echo minnow
oooh okok
unreal mason
*metas change with people experimenting, usually in very surprising ways
steep stirrup
Btw what weapon do y'all use primarily
echo minnow
what if the real meta was the friends we made along the way
echo minnow
Btw what weapon do y'all use primarily
whatever is glowing purple at the time
unreal mason
Btw what weapon do y'all use primarily
shield is my bae
latent moon
for the most part, the meta is pretty set in stone except like 1 thing that came up somewhat recently lmao
steep stirrup
shield is my bae
Fr, aspect of chaos goes hard
echo minnow
which ones that one again
unreal mason
for the most part, the meta is pretty set in stone except like 1 thing that came...
for heat guan yu used to be special only
steep stirrup
whatever is glowing purple at the time
Oh alr
unreal mason
And zeus shield used to be zeus only
unreal mason
which ones that one again
second shield aspect that shoots multiple specials at once
latent moon
guan yu being good enough to do that still feels cursed to me
echo minnow
second shield aspect that shoots multiple specials at once
oooooh
unreal mason
guan yu being good enough to do that still feels cursed to me
yeah it is weird as hell that it is turning out to be 64 possible
echo minnow
guan yu being good enough to do that still feels cursed to me
i am scared of guan yu because i ekeep getting my ass beat whilst im trying to charge up
same with the bow
mind you im using the bow right now
unreal mason
they both take a lot of practice.
unreal mason
rama, although I don't like bows much
latent moon
rama is the only bow i can remotely hit shots on consistently with the attack
the special is a different problem tho
unreal mason
favourite aspect is probably zeus shield (although I'm a bit sick of it since I've been playing it non stop for 2 months now). Used to be Hestia (3rd gun aspect).
tepid light
favourite aspect is probably zeus shield (although I'm a bit sick of it since I'...
careful saying that you like zeus shield, you might enrage a certain person
void vigil
i like hera bow
tepid light
In all seriousness, zeus shield is a fun time
void vigil
i followed the current meta and i found out i really enjoy it and consistently win with it
lavish sorrel
rama is the only bow i can remotely hit shots on consistently with the attack
I feel that
unreal mason
I'd probably like rama more if there was a flurry shot hammer
tepid light
flurry shot rama would be pretty entertaining
stone rune
actually all the weapon aspects
beo
stone rune
flurry shot rama would be pretty entertaining
it’s actually mega boring
it’s just really bad
it has the same base damage
as normal flurry
so it just sucks
tepid light
i like how you responded to that instead of my other message
stone rune
what
vague peak
Hello guys.
stone rune
flurry shot should instagib everything always
stiff obsidian
what is instagib
stone rune
if u click within 270 degrees of an enemy they should die instantly
unreal mason
what is instagib
kill automatically
vague peak
kill automatically
Same as insta-kill pretty much.
unreal mason
gib refers to the effects of an enemy dying if I recall correctly
unreal mason
Hello guys.
hello
stiff obsidian
What is the meaning of GiB?
a male cat
: a male cat. specifically : a castrated male cat.
unreal mason
"Gib, as it's used in video games, similarly references someone's insides. Gibs are the result of what gamers call an overkill or critical hit–they make a foe's body parts explode in different directions. Tis the season to be gibbing."
stone rune
vague peak
"Gib, as it's used in video games, similarly references someone's insides. Gibs ...
Ahh… interesting. That makes more sense actually.
unreal mason
So what hades does to me
stiff obsidian
TRUe
stiff obsidian
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/giblet
crazy
vague peak
So… I actually got my first RUN in Hades without GM!
unreal mason
Good job
tepid light
Congrats！
vague peak
Pretty cool I will say… though I kinda relied HEAVILY on DD’s for the run… also getting hit multiple times on Hade’s attacks.
tepid light
Pretty cool I will say… though I kinda relied HEAVILY on DD’s for the run… also ...
Yep, that's how it is
vague peak
I should probably NOT go in front of an enemy’s path, cause they would get free dmg from that… so I definitely don’t want to do that.
Love how I died shortly after I turned of GM for my first attempt… fun times.
Completely forgot that the game is actually brutal without dmg reduction 
At least to start… because I used GM pretty early on tbh.
There’s also some people who just never turn off God Mode… which I think is funny but I’m certainly not judging by any means of course.
tepid light
The longer you've had it on, the harder it is to turn it off
vague peak
Fair… but I literally like promised to use it for the first 10 clears to get Persephone reunited at least… the attention to detail in this game is so good…
I kept that… but I’ll use GM for specific situations ngl.
lavish sorrel
The longer you've had it on, the harder it is to turn it off
Is it? I wouldn't say so
lavish sorrel
I personally did most of the main story with godmode, yet after a while felt comfortable turning it off for a few runs so I tried that. And then a few more. And a few more after that. Perhaps others get addicted to it 
vague peak
Yes… guess what I’m dealing with the same situation!
I actually used GM only for the main quest to start with. Better DANG hope those 60+ attempts actually paid off though.
tepid light
Is it? I wouldn't say so
Dependency
vague peak
But I’m pretty sure I’ll get used to the normal brutality of the game.
lavish sorrel
Dependency
Meh
vague peak
Let’s be honest, you’re gonna die a lot sometimes without GM if you’re used to it.
Or maybe you’re just well skilled enough to actually play the game without GM to begin with.
lavish sorrel
At first, yeah sure, but after like 2 or 3 runs you should learn that avoiding attacks is a good idea, and already have the muscle memory from watching enemies attack with GM on to do so
vague peak
I know that by now…
tepid light
At first, yeah sure, but after like 2 or 3 runs you should learn that avoiding a...
Well yes, dependency can be overcome
But those 2 or 3 runs will certainly feel unpleasant
vague peak
Well yes, dependency can be overcome
But those 2 or 3 runs will certainly feel ...
Agreed.
I died 3 times in a row without GM… but that was because of other Pacts so…
Also because the dmg reduction is completely taken away from you now.
But y’know, some people are built different and may have more skills in specific areas than others.
Anyways… when can you get themes for the UI?
rose roost
After finishing all the work orders
vague peak
After finishing all the work orders
Ok. MAN, that’s gonna take me a while, lol.
rose roost
(u mean the victory screen theme right?)
vague peak
(u mean the victory screen theme right?)
Yeah.
rose roost
yea it's after all the work orders and even then I didn't get after a few runs
vague peak
weird… why?
vague peak
Ahhh… my evaluation: it’s possible that the progression system tweaked or something.
But either than that: idk why.
stiff obsidian
Is it? I wouldn't say so
its common sense
lavish sorrel
its common sense
Y'all are stating stuff that doesn't apply to everyone as an objective truth. That's just not right. It may on average become an addiction, sure. But this doesn't mean anyone who ever uses god mode for a while will have a hard time turning it off.
stiff obsidian
its how it works
what do you have trouble understanding
if you get used to something, you get used to it
its as simple as that
lavish sorrel
what do you have trouble understanding
I have trouble understanding why you're making a big deal out of me saying it was not the case for me, despite using godmode for like my first 100 hours of playtime, and willingly switching it off once I was sure I did not need it anymore. I'm saying addiction to godmode is not the case for everyone, and being shamed for it.
void vigil
people who used divine dash 100 runs in a row may have trouble using other dashes and may die a lot without it, but it doesnt mean its impossible for them to learn to play with other dashes
stiff obsidian
its like having a right handed 2 year old switch to being left handed vs a right handed 30 year old do the same
the earler the easier
lavish sorrel
its like having a right handed 2 year old switch to being left handed vs a right...
This is a strawman. You are comparing a leniency mechanic meant to ease players into the game, to a scenario where the muscle memory is missing / lack of experience, + a genetical difference within the context you outlined
stiff obsidian
old habits die hard
steep condor
its like having a right handed 2 year old switch to being left handed vs a right...
as in you're traumatizing the first one for life while the second has resources to fall back on but will still not be able to do it
brisk trail
..........
steep condor
thanks for chiming in bouldy
stiff obsidian
stop picking at the technicalities of my analogy and try to understand my point
steep condor
ok, what i actually wanted to say was: people used to actually force left handed kids to do things with their right hand, violently, so maybe it's not a good comparison to make here
stiff obsidian
yea i thought its a bad example as soon as i sent it lol
as a left handed person
whos parents tried to ask him to switch hands
lavish sorrel
Right, let me rephrase:
I believe the aims of an assist-mode in any videogame are to:
1: let the player have more fun by accounting for potential disabilities, whilst eliminating as few core game mechanics as necessary. This lets the player learn how the game works without suffering.
2: give the player an option to turn off this setting, and make it very clear this setting can be turned off once they're ready. No rush though.
The main difference between your strawman and my definition of an assist mode is that the moment you're told to change hands, little to nothing carries over, as all of the mechanical knowledge is stuck with the other hand. Meanwhile, a well-designed assist mode is meant to teach the player how the game works.
For the record, no offense taken. 
stiff obsidian
okay, but my point still stands
steep condor
hermes just refused to give me rush delivery, prompting me to think about how when you shorten the boon to "rush d." that sounds like rushdie, as in salman rushdie, so i took greater haste, thinking about which rushdie books i liked (ftr: all i read, ie the four most recent ones), so when i met hermes again two chambers later i just took hypersprint without even looking at the other boons
brain... please. brain
steep cave
nocturne kelp
..
rugged pivot
Been really unlucky lately I've done 4 runs and none gave me Sisyphus or Patroclus
I need them for their quests
Is there a way to make them show up more often?
Maybe by wearing their keepsake?
Although I'm still farming other keepsake levels
mint coral
Nope
stiff obsidian
or id be wearing patty keepsake all day
cedar mauve
Been really unlucky lately I've done 4 runs and none gave me Sisyphus or Patrocl...
RNGesus not smiling rn
In my experience the Patroclus appearance rate in Elysium seems to be ~60%. I might be wrong.
rugged pivot
I've also gotten cerberus's treat in the fifth tunnel twice
In those 4 runs
RNGesus was just toying with me
stiff obsidian
you mean tyche
cedar mauve
Let's see if Tyche (Greek goddess of fortune) will make an appearance in Hades 2
stiff obsidian
there'd be a shrine to her where you can offer nectar for ''''supposed''' better rng
lavish sorrel
we have god's legacy at home
covert hare
there'd be a shrine to her where you can offer nectar for ''''supposed''' better...
Isn’t that just bouldy
upper wolf
bouldy 2 : the rebouldening
jagged hamlet
It ain't a Hades game without Bouldy that's for sure
drowsy linden
bouldy in bastion when
jagged hamlet
Bouldy is the Bastion
drowsy linden
🤨
untold onyx
finished a run with 5 health left 
jagged hamlet
steep condor
what is that
torn phoenix
hades
maiden narwhal
can curse of drowning be sold?
latent moon
Yes
maiden narwhal
thank god
jagged hamlet
what is that
Final Fantasy XIV
latent moon
CoD is only good on 2 things
ME and Achilles lmao
fervent radish
The first time I got CoD, I also had cshot, and obv it was garbo, but my conclusion was that cshot sucked
maiden narwhal
cod was the third boon offered and i'm like bugger off
stone rune
im honestly shocked that merciful end is ever used by anyone ever
this is the most miserable piece of garbage
maiden narwhal
but then i found athena special, so when ares offered a duo, i thought it was me and grabbed it
lost my cast ):
stone rune
in the last week i have gotten 0 decent builds
latent moon
Skill issue
drowsy linden
unmodded funny
maiden narwhal
do hermes boons depend on your build, or do you always look for hs+rd?
drowsy linden
do hermes boons depend on your build, or do you always look for hs+rd?
depends
sometimes you want swift strike/flourish
or high rarity greflex(just always good)
latent moon
sometimes you want swift strike/flourish
That's like hardly ever
latent moon
do hermes boons depend on your build, or do you always look for hs+rd?
Pretty much always this
fervent radish
greatest reflex and hyper delivery are the two options yeah
latent moon
Greatest reflex is always a good option, but if you're doing ME, more dashes can be better than Rd depending on rarity
fervent radish
I like greatest on the fists more bc I don't have to gamble for RD
drowsy linden
just spam
maiden narwhal
Tbf it's easier to blame the hammer than the duo
generally, yes. but in this case, he put a melee duo with a ranged weapon
blaming the hammer is like doing 1+1 and getting 11
would a zeus zeus ? zeus zeus build work well or
maybe poseidon dash
or aphrodite
or artemis
or could do phalanx
latent moon
I mean in the early game when you don't know what you're doing duos seem a lot harder and rarer than hammers
And you're more inclined to think all duos are overpowered or strong
And you can get a hammer every run so you generally wouldn't really think about them being as good as like a duo
unreal mason
I mean, I'm a fairly experienced player and I still find my mouse automatically moves towards duo boons and legendaries because of how they are presented.
mint coral
See orange take orange moment
maiden narwhal
i mean.. that's how i ended up with cod in the first place
maiden narwhal
I mean in the early game when you don't know what you're doing duos seem a lot h...
yes that's why i said generally yes. because this is in fact the case.
maiden narwhal
I mean, I'm a fairly experienced player and I still find my mouse automatically ...
and then it does a rapid up and down dance while you decide
i thought falling asleep every chamber would get me taken out by td eventually
but then i fell asleep during an encounter, and woke up to death sound
bedtime i guess
rustic vale
do hermes boons depend on your build, or do you always look for hs+rd?
Hs + rd, greatest reflex otherwise, dodge chance & greater haste are generally good too(dodge >>> haste) , everything else is a bit situational
Like chiron +% special is also viable since any rarity swift flourish lets you get 4 volleys in instead of 3, and epic+ lets concentrated volley chain through your volleys
Arthur may take swift strike cuz you might actually standing strike with it
Castpects other than Hera/Beo might take swift cast as a cope pick
upper wolf
<:thanthink:669246004142538753> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/6272136...
now kiss
quasi dust
Yes please
maiden narwhal
Hs + rd, greatest reflex otherwise, dodge chance & greater haste are generally g...
when do you stop rolling? if you get hs do you burn all your dice looking for rd, and then settle for next best if you don't find it?
also knowing you now have nothing for customs?
rustic vale
I mean with customs on it’s a didferent wonderland
maiden narwhal
ok then forget pact
rustic vale
Because you have decide yourself if you like your odds of purging a boon you don’t csre about
rustic vale
otherwise I’d roll for RD unless I see like blue or purple greatest reflex
cuz greatest reflex ain’t anything to scoff at
And just hope for styx rd
rustic vale
I mean if you’re looking @ your first hermes and see good rarity greatest reflex
It depends on the weapons ability to use dashes
upper wolf
I'd say it's the opposite tbh
RD is core
But you need hs or greater haste (or plume) to get it
and of those three, HS is clearly the strongest option
maiden narwhal
interesting
hs gives you mobility
and precious precious sturdy
for when you inevitably move wrong
i guess rd is core if you're speeerunning and you're so good you barely ever take damage
upper wolf
I agree that sturdy is very good
upper wolf
you get healed when getting hit
maiden narwhal
sturdy's a trap tho
you get that hammer on gloves
feel like god
with a little above average dodging
you p much become god
i miss gloves
if my gloves are at heat say.. 10
and i start a run at 20
will the game try to penalise me in any way?
"exceeded heat" is just a gentle reminder yes?
stiff obsidian
yeah
maiden narwhal
cool
stiff obsidian
it will say that even after you complete all bounties
maiden narwhal
it goes pretty crazy i wonder how many little tooltips they wrote for that
rustic vale
sturdy's a trap tho
you get that hammer on gloves
feel like god
Since fists is the only case where that happens
And standing in one place just means you’ll get hit more
It’s just a bonus for your average player
maiden narwhal
just makes you (me) super reckless is all
upper wolf
I mean, you can still move a fair bit while punching with fists. I wish it was more though. Would probably give them more of a viable way to play
rustic vale
Idk just remember that 30%, while big, ain’t enough to contest w/ heat
upper wolf
funny, I felt the opposite. I felt the impact of sturdy a lot more on high heat than on lower
maiden narwhal
funny, I felt the opposite. I felt the impact of sturdy a lot more on high heat ...
probably because you were a better player at higher heat?
rustic vale
funny, I felt the opposite. I felt the impact of sturdy a lot more on high heat ...
It is a 30% reduction to a larger number
so
It will have more value per hit you take yeah
But you can also take half as many hits with hl5 on
maiden narwhal
it's not so much the reduction
it's the can't be interrupted or stunned bit
so if you can put out massive damage
you can go through bosses so fast
if you don't mind taking a little
like furies
especially them
rustic vale
hl5 reduces your effective max hp by 50%, but all you see visually is bigger number vs bigger number drop from sturdy
upper wolf
thing is on high heat you run out of health much more easily, so getting things to give you more effective health matter a lot more
the only HP that matters is the last one after all
(and high confidence)
maiden narwhal
thing is on high heat you run out of health much more easily, so getting things ...
that why aphro so popular at high heat?
upper wolf
mostly the big damage%
maiden narwhal
hard attack + weak + reduction?
upper wolf
weak is indeed nice
rustic vale
that why aphro so popular at high heat?
Mostly big damage
big damage, smouldering air. Low tolerance is niche
maiden narwhal
when i played the 40% from curses dio aphro was one of my go to builds
dio on attack and aphro on dash or vice versa
rustic vale
I mean most of those builds
Would rather aphro on special /vice versa
instead of dash
maiden narwhal
it feels like dash applies curse more consistently
maiden narwhal
what's the mirror thingy that gives you bonus damage for two curses on
rustic vale
what's the mirror thingy that gives you bonus damage for two curses on
Priv status
Even on dio builds, you still take the other option over it at high heat & speedrunning
maiden narwhal
yeah so if you're playing status isn't one of the curses on dash better with a melee weapon?
i'm dashing through them constantly
i'm not always throwing special, i'm chaining it
with attack and cast
rustic vale
Yeah but a) most weapons have special in their dps rotation
maiden narwhal
it's not simultaneous
rustic vale
and b) pash dash just sucks
maiden narwhal
vs dash+ attack which is applying both at the same time
maiden narwhal
and b) pash dash just sucks
oh
rustic vale
and b) pash dash just sucks
Where most weapons make good use out of large +% from aphrodite
latent moon
passion dash on fists with dio attack is the only good way to get pstatus going but then you run into the problem of having dio attack
maiden narwhal
Where most weapons make good use out of large +% from aphrodite
i play the ones that don't, i think
the ones that want boons like zeus and dio on attack
rustic vale
the ones that want boons like zeus and dio on attack
Those are the ones
upper wolf
How long does weak lasts on special anyway
rustic vale
That want aphrodite on special
rustic vale
How long does weak lasts on special anyway
Universal duratio of 4s
upper wolf
I doubt you have much more uptime with passion dash than heartbreak flourish
4s is way enough for 100% uptime on sword and fist
maiden narwhal
Universal duratio of 4s
with gloves especially, i'm not always hitting special every 4 seconds
i'm definitely dashing every 4 seconds
upper wolf
hm
rustic vale
with fists you should be dash as much as possible, so tdash or ddash get more value
And
leaden birch
with fists you should be dash as much as possible, so tdash or ddash get more va...
true!
upper wolf
with gloves especially, i'm not always hitting special every 4 seconds
i'm defin...
I don't see a world where the solution to this is passion dash and not "use more special"
rustic vale
Optimal dps rotation is like dash strike -> dash strike -> dash special in the same dash
upper wolf
Optimal dps rotation is like dash strike -> dash strike -> dash special in the s...
^ that too, so I don't see why you wouldn't get 100% uptime
maiden narwhal
I don't see a world where the solution to this is passion dash and not "use more...
well, if you say passion dash sucks, then sure
upper wolf
it doesn't "suck"
leaden birch
oh dashes
rustic vale
no damage, purely for applying weak and has the radius of a dime
upper wolf
it's just strictly inferior to other optioins
leaden birch
idk athena's dash is peak
maiden narwhal
and b) pash dash just sucks
i mean
rustic vale
no damage, purely for applying weak and has the radius of a dime
Inferior to tdash where you have damage or ddash for safety
I said that 
maiden narwhal
i know
rustic vale
Not them
maiden narwhal
but the fact remains
upper wolf
I'd argue tdash is also safer given you don't have to dash as close to them to hit
rustic vale
no damage, purely for applying weak and has the radius of a dime
These are my reasons for the jury
If you want to apply weak just use a different core
latent moon
I don't see a world where the solution to this is passion dash and not "use more...
leading with a dupper is kinda cringe on fists
maiden narwhal
no damage, purely for applying weak and has the radius of a dime
radius is smaller but cast is more accurate to your dash
rustic vale
leading with a dupper is kinda cringe on fists
You don’t lead with dupper since you need to have hit 5 times with your strike before it matters
latent moon
there's not really much of a reason to use special on fists unless it's to kill
or proc ME
rustic vale
radius is smaller but cast is more accurate to your dash
What does cast have to do it
maiden narwhal
What does cast have to do it
i meant.. the thingy
special
it's more accurate
than any other that makes a thing around you
leaden birch
the thingy
maiden narwhal
like dio
rustic vale
Yeah it’s also higher base damage
maiden narwhal
so even if it's smaller it's much easier to aim
rustic vale
and you only really need to apply weak on the enemies that matter cuz if an enemy doesn’t die after 5 dstrikes with hangover ticking in the meanwhile it’s either tanky or something has gone wrong
maiden narwhal
i saw haelian choose it tho
rustic vale
Haelian plays everything
maiden narwhal
SO BY THE TRANSITIVE PROPERTY
rustic vale
Hasn’t Haelian cleared boonless or am I misremebering
Does that mean not taking boons >>> taking boons by transative property
maiden narwhal
Hasn’t Haelian cleared boonless or am I misremebering
with shackle?
rustic vale
Presumably
rustic vale
no
rustic vale
You don’t need any mods to complete a boonless run
maiden narwhal
i wanna do that now
rustic vale
even on like the most hardcore definition I’ve seen of it
You can still roll the rooms away theoretically
leaden birch
Hasn’t Haelian cleared boonless or am I misremebering
ngl tho kinda on topic
I have a decent bit of hours on the game but I've never done boonless
how does that work
do you just purge at the end of every level
rustic vale
depends on your definition
leaden birch
I'd guess it's boonless as long as you get the dialogue
rustic vale
The game itself only cares that you have 0 purgable boons by the time you get to Hades
leaden birch
with hades
oh
I don't use purge often so I'm not sure
does purge only let you purge 3 boons?
maiden narwhal
The game itself only cares that you have 0 purgable boons by the time you get to...
but you could be sneaky
leaden birch
or does it swap to the next
maiden narwhal
I don't use purge often so I'm not sure
does purge only let you purge 3 boons?
let's you roll dicr
leaden birch
ohh
leaden birch
ah
maiden narwhal
but you can kinda choose which
rustic vale
I don't use purge often so I'm not sure
does purge only let you purge 3 boons?
Only purge 3 at a time but you can just roll to purge more
if you’re running
maiden narwhal
but if you're doing boonless you wouldn't care
leaden birch
I'm tempted to do a boonless run just for the dialogue but on the surface I don't feel like it'd be fun
rustic vale
Wait nevermind you wouldn’t be running that cuz you want purple dice
To roll away boons
maiden narwhal
how many single doors are there in a level?
rustic vale
Depends
maiden narwhal
is it 100% random?
or are there x single programmed in
it tries to funnel you to asterius
i know this to be true
rustic vale
Tart is like 11, asphodel is like 7, elysium is like 11? and styx can be 2 tunnels to 5 tunnels
Boss rooms are on set chamber numbers but can be pushed back by chaos extensions
maiden narwhal
so it can't be possible to have 4 single doors, all of which are boons?
unreal mason
Tart is like 11, asphodel is like 7, elysium is like 11? and styx can be 2 tunne...
12 possible combat chambers + end shop + final boss in tart, chamber 22 is end of aspho + end+lernie, chamber 34 for ely+end+ornstein and smough
maiden narwhal
Boss rooms are on set chamber numbers but can be pushed back by chaos extensions
oh damn hax
i need to learn how to avoid asterius or i will never finish 32 heat
unreal mason
and erebus gates as well
unreal mason
i need to learn how to avoid asterius or i will never finish 32 heat
what weapon are you using for 32?
mint coral
i need to learn how to avoid asterius or i will never finish 32 heat
asterius is just 50/50 when taking a miniboss
maiden narwhal
what weapon are you using for 32?
zeus shield