like.. if you don't go shop, you'll avoid miniboss?
#h1-discussion
gray apex
Just play as you normally would but if you see a miniboss door dont take it
maiden narwhal
Just play as you normally would but if you see a miniboss door dont take it
this was single door
stiff obsidian
i think avalanche means avoiding single exit into miniboss
maiden narwhal
you guys can tell the boons just from the colour and design?
if you can read my build, what helps me best here?
ely boss
gray apex
id take rip current
gray apex
Shoals is pretty good too since you have a consistent way of applying it
maiden narwhal
gonna own
gray apex
But shoals is more likely to show up from another poseidon boon
and rip current is really good
maiden narwhal
rip
indeed
current doesn't stop asterius he just keeps jumping lol
so most of the time you don't hit him
also asterius chasing you with epic hyper is hilarious
especially because he catches you anyway
it must be programmed to be +1 of whatever your speed is
maiden narwhal
what is the athena exploit with stubborn d can someone please remind me
if you path athena then die before picking up the boon and if she offers defiance, next room you'll have 2?
upper wolf
yes
maiden narwhal
thanks
maiden narwhal
CHARGED SHOT GOES THROUGH GREATSHIELD SHIELD
rustic vale
you guys can tell the boons just from the colour and design?
The only time it’s ever an issue is when someone has athena & zeus in their build and one of the dashes
devout terrace
CHARGED SHOT GOES THROUGH GREATSHIELD SHIELD
it says it pierces
also gets through theseus's shield
very useful
maiden narwhal
it says it pierces
and i knew that
and i still didn't put the two together
maiden narwhal
Usually you min charge your shot
oh i see minotaur is on full charge
true oak
Power shot means the split second once you reach full charge
It also exists on bow, there is a flash of light
Wait too long and it goes away
true oak
Well no, but not as good as it seems
loud shell
Im so annoyed!! I used to have a site bookmarked that had best and second best builds/hammers for ever single aspect and also tips for all of them but I un book marked it because I stopped playing hades
loud shell
I found it!!! They just changed how the site looks so know it looks better
teal cedar
I found it!!! They just changed how the site looks so know it looks better
Would you be so kind and link it so that others can benefit too? 😅
loud shell
Would you be so kind and link it so that others can benefit too? 😅
Oh yeah sure
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide
Here you go
steep condor
it's pinned in the hades builds and combat channel, fyi if you lose it again
rose roost
definitely
pastel scaffold
then i hereby report it
formal citrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M2u78nMghc
Can you get the witch to follow you by going right and down
pastel scaffold
Can you get the witch to follow you by going right and down
idk; i finally killed her by calling zeus
stone rune
witches will try to go away if you are too close but will come to you if you are farther
latent moon
Lmao I've never seen anything get stuck there before
stiff obsidian
lucky you
maiden narwhal
Most shield hammers don't do much
any chaos boons zeus shield really needs or wants?
stone rune
not in particular
special boost always good
attack boost good with cshot
favor always good
maiden narwhal
yeah i just been avoiding chaos gates completely since i switched to sd lol
suddenly it's like.. hp matters
latent moon
Chaos gates are kinda free on SD in early biomes
You're on SD you can get the hp back
stone rune
you can pop sd if you're low on hp
maiden narwhal
oh that way
i try to have all the hp i can for furies
all bosses are run enders now
like .. much more so
latent moon
Furies should be easy enough
Like you shouldn't pop a DD to them in the first place
So you shouldn't die with sd to them
maiden narwhal
usually don't but with dd it's whatever until you find patty
then you play focussed
true oak
Chaos health is always good too btw
latent moon
And like even on DDs you should still play safe so you don't rely on patty
maiden narwhal
yes sd really teaching me that
stiff obsidian
i am doing a 45 heat run rn and i just realized halfway through ely that i havent even popped my sd yet
latent moon
gamer
maiden narwhal
maiden narwhal
it just feels like the movement wouldn't be v fluid
latent moon
Free common haste epic Rd damage
latent moon
Oh lmao
maiden narwhal
but i didn't realise you can rush through projectiles and pick up a block
latent moon
it just feels like the movement wouldn't be v fluid
I mean 20% movement speed is nothing you take it for the damage
That much movement speed shouldn't effect how you play
formal citrus
Lmao I've never seen anything get stuck there before
I've launched dude outside the railing in some ely things. Or into bushes
maiden narwhal
I mean 20% movement speed is nothing you take it for the damage
i know i meant the fight movement
maiden narwhal
yeah if you have to block to pick up a bonus it feels jerky
maiden narwhal
Zeus shield right?
yes
latent moon
You should naturally be blocking a lot generally
latent moon
Yeah rushing can block damage lmao
latent moon
Oh lmao makes sense
maiden narwhal
i'll definitely pick up a block
stiff obsidian
yea
i have epic jolt and splitting so its no surprise that nothing is rly damaging me lol
maiden narwhal
hl1 on a 42 run means you'd rather play ap?
stiff obsidian
its ap1
latent moon
This is basically an em4 practice run isn't it lmao
stiff obsidian
yea
maiden narwhal
em4 gives how much heat?
latent moon
4
maiden narwhal
should be more
maiden narwhal
oh that's what i meant lol
yeah 10 sounds about right
that's how you get away with the low hl and ap
i guess
stiff obsidian
wha
maiden narwhal
no maybe not hs is only 1 heat
i'm trying to think how you're getting to 42 without hl and ap and dc
latent moon
It's ap1
stiff obsidian
tepid light
person below me a bad gamer
stiff obsidian
hi
tepid light
dangit false
lavish sorrel
person below me a bad gamer
three people
hi
maiden narwhal
i need mouse over for most of these /:
stiff obsidian
this is a horrible practice run
lavish sorrel
no
maiden narwhal
oh
that's fine then
stone rune
did u know that sell well order is random
lavish sorrel
so make sure you have enough boons to sell
maiden narwhal
cool
stone rune
truly cursed knowledge
maiden narwhal
how do i know which aren't sellable? google?
mint coral
anything that gives some resource is not sellable
latent moon
how do i know which aren't sellable? google?
It's in my 32 heat guide in the poms section
stone rune
oeans bounty doesnt give a resource
mint coral
ap should cross out well and sell well options
charon is throwing hands with dad before that happens
maiden narwhal
It's in my 32 heat guide in the poms section
still trying to get there without looking at a guide or youtuber playstyle
but i'll check out that bit about unsellable
it's good to know
where's your guide?
mint coral
pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies pretty sure
latent moon
Yeah
stiff obsidian
this was a stupid practice run
i had acorn all the way upto p3
just have to run into athena call on my winning run
maiden narwhal
found it
rare crop, premium vintage, and the two defiance boons (rarely, situational)
these are the only unsellable boons i take
but that's also like.. most of them
so why does it offer me only core boons, over and over
racist
best part about dying to furies is not having to repick your keepsake
good to goooo
yo would going indepth into pom scaling count as using a guide because i really want to learn that asap
yeah it's not like a walkthrough more like metaknowledge the 2% did the work to bring us
latent moon
Tbf if you asked me or jazz in discord we'd say the same thing lmao
stone rune
and then after that im pretty sure its like
latent moon
Or very similar
stone rune
you square root it
most boons have minimum pom values
of 10% base i believe
like flood flare base is 60
its min pom value is 6
first pom will be 60*1.6=96
my guess is that after that you continually square root the growth rate but idk
from lvl3 to 4 on flood flare is 138.84 vs 121.2
latent moon
Okay I would not go into the math for this
stone rune
which is close to sqrt(sqrt(1.6))
maiden narwhal
can we pretend i'm 5 😭
stone rune
pom scaling is based on the base value of the common boon
maiden narwhal
i think vet mentioned being in calc 3
stone rune
diff boons scale differently
attack/special boons will not scale well
cast boons scale pretty well
vengeance boons mostly scale insanely well
maiden narwhal
attack/special boons will not scale well
take these to ~ 5?
maiden narwhal
should i stop pomming them at level 5
stone rune
i would not pom most attacks beyond lvl2 at most heat levels
the first aph atk pom is like 20%
maiden narwhal
that's good to know
stone rune
and its just downhill from there
maiden narwhal
immediately
stone rune
best pom scaling target is usually ur dash
or cast on a cast build
but it really depends
gets especially muddy on fds things
pretty sure i saw bablo pom lr once
maiden narwhal
so on zeus shield, i put all poms into dash/ cast?
maiden narwhal
edit
stone rune
well
on zeus its diff
if you're on zeus^2 you want to pom the special a little bit
and jolted
stuff like that
maiden narwhal
vengeance boons mostly scale insanely well
because they have niche usage?
maiden narwhal
do people often pick vengeance boons?
maiden narwhal
it's pretty hard to get that duo/legendary that makes them proc offensively, right?
stone rune
you need any veng and a zeus and ares core
so relatively rare
not impossible if u take eshot on ME build
maiden narwhal
mm
what build would let me pom zeus venge?
what aspect is ok with taking damage
maiden narwhal
what is fds sorry
stone rune
flat damage soup
when u take a bunch of diff flat damage things
and get some global
fervent radish
Arthur and guan yu maybe
maiden narwhal
just feels counterintuitive if getting better means avoiding damage
but cool, i'm going to put zeus on attack and special and get vengeance if i can
zeus all the things
gray apex
You're not gonna find a scenario where pomming the vengeance is not the meme answer
maiden narwhal
you watch your language
stone rune
i dont think it would be insanely unreasonable
maiden narwhal
i think if you're putting out enough damage it's worth it to take some?
fervent radish
I can’t think of an instance where you’d want to constantly be taking damage
maiden narwhal
there has to be an roi point
stone rune
like if u have a big rd on hestia and ur pom screen is a lvl3 shoals and a lvl1 veng and arty atk or something
fervent radish
i think if you're putting out enough damage it's worth it to take some?
Meh, especially not with HL
like maybe if you’re speedrunning and you’re just running headfirst into bosses
But in that case you should be instaphasing anyways
drowsy linden
well brimstones and snakestones do exist
maiden narwhal
is epic ares call still bad damage?
the day i learn to not turn a dash into a dash strike and take a lout slap right to the face
is the day i will 32 heat
upper wolf
ares call is always bad damage if you have a good build
upper wolf
the day i learn to not turn a dash into a dash strike and take a lout slap right...
mood
the unga bunga brain goes brrr
maiden narwhal
idk why i always think i'll come out on top in those situations
oh god finally i beat the furies
because meg
alecto three times in a row is wtf
are you really supposed to beat her before the rage bar fills?
and is there a way to make it go down while it's filling?
gray apex
She will always rage on the last bubble
You can just kill her fast enough before it becomes a mess
maiden narwhal
looolol heroic splitter in tart erebus will get you whether you drop skellie or not
ish goes everywhere
upper wolf
it do be like that sometimes
I'm trying to train on erebus gates. I'm not sure it's useful, but it's kinda fun. I've only done a couple ones in tart so far though
maiden narwhal
I'm trying to train on erebus gates. I'm not sure it's useful, but it's kinda fu...
do you drop a summon?
i have seed zeus and erebus zeus so i was determined to get both
took two give ups
if you stand near a wall, when you block the first cluster it can't go everywhere
upper wolf
nah, no summon. I use meg, and she's not all that useful. I might do it in elysium erebus for the big bball though
maiden narwhal
i was so happy to unlock ely erebus
then i went into ely erebus
never again
do you skirt butterflies, or can you dash through them?
and if it's a, is it ranged kill on the ball?
maiden narwhal
free double pom on the boon u want/+50 hp
"free"
take crystal beam and purge it for mad money?
this still tart
or take frozen touch and keep it cause it's a nice boss killer?
lavish sorrel
wait since when is frozen touch a nice boss killer
did I miss something
zeus vengeance boon definitely
maiden narwhal
idk you get a bunch of hits in when they're completely frozen
lavish sorrel
but demeter?
maiden narwhal
i can't think of another use for it
lavish sorrel
yeah but it also slows the boss down, therefore acting as anti-synergy in that regard
maiden narwhal
interesting
lavish sorrel
i can't think of another use for it
slowing stuff down after a hit on high heat is that use
maiden narwhal
i don't know much about it
drowsy linden
crystal beam for free money
maiden narwhal
but it felt like that's how it would be useful
drowsy linden
and also uc fodder
maiden narwhal
and also uc fodder
uc fodder is what i meant yeah
lavish sorrel
and also uc fodder
just be careful it doesn't open any duos with your current set of cores
lavish sorrel
nah, once you sell a core it closes the duos it else would have opened
I just mean that you might not get it offered in the sell-well, -> stubborn roots or crystal clarity or whatever
maiden narwhal
cool then highly unlikely i'll get offered a duo before tart
maiden narwhal
I just mean that you might not get it offered in the sell-well, -> stubborn root...
ah yeah
it always offers me cores tho, so i'm going to trick it
maiden narwhal
yes i got offered 3 support last run
they were zeus venge hypersprint and splitting bolt
maiden narwhal
it just picks randomly
yes
and it gave me 3 cores 6 times in a row
that's some stoppard shz
i spent 90 seconds trying to stand exactly in the middle, in a duo room
sadly, zag cannot face neutral
and td2 is.. not for me
lavish sorrel
i spent 90 seconds trying to stand exactly in the middle, in a duo room
sadly, ...
TD2 and TD3 is just something you'll have to get used to I think... it makes climbing heats miles easier
the moment you can consistently clear in under 20 minutes, TD3 becomes essentially 3 free heat
maiden narwhal
td2 is ok 98% of the time i guess
it's killed me twice
i do waste a lot of time loitering tho
it's not about clear speed
so much
stone rune
on my 3rd barge in a row
unmodded is actually unplayable
i do not know how anyone gets into this game
stone rune
?
stone rune
im speedrunnign
stone rune
?
maiden narwhal
oh wait that's seeded i'm getting them confused
i don't really know what speed running is
so idk what mods do for it
stone rune
remove the stupid annoying ass barge and sack and bull and hammer rng
actually unplayable state
i love coinflip to determine whether i lose 30 seconds
upper wolf
oops, forgot to turn back on barge + bull + tony when going for high heat
stone rune
i literally just want 1 sub5
maiden narwhal
remove the stupid annoying ass barge and sack and bull and hammer rng
but aren't those part of the run
stone rune
they are part of the torture chamber that unmodded speedrunning is
lavish sorrel
unmodded is actually unplayable
you're just spoiled by modded, and overburdened by the need to go fast. 
a casual player just does not get mad at the things a speedrunner will.
maiden narwhal
they are part of the torture chamber that unmodded speedrunning is
but speed running is running the run fast how you gonna take out parts of the run then say you did the run fast
stone rune
its still a full run
maiden narwhal
what is sack?
stone rune
getting more than 2 sack
maiden narwhal
tbh i'd love to get rid of survive and than rooms they're so annoying
except now i need the than hp
stone rune
those are the best
lavish sorrel
sack and hammer are like the two things I'd change about unmodded
maiden narwhal
cause sd
lavish sorrel
nothing else
lavish sorrel
I'd even leave barge, bull and tony in
stone rune
literally 30 second long encounter for no reason
maiden narwhal
those are the best
the than dialogue and animation are the most unnecessary things in the macrocosm
stone rune
bull is fine
maiden narwhal
why does he have to change position before giving you the hp
i grudge that time so much omg
stone rune
but barge is so horrendous
maiden narwhal
yeah it really is
stone rune
like
maiden narwhal
but isn't it a miniboss?
lavish sorrel
but barge is so horrendous
activate MM 
maiden narwhal
but isn't it a miniboss?
?
stone rune
yeah
maiden narwhal
then it's part of the run homes
stone rune
wat
maiden narwhal
its still a full run
how are removing mini boss options making it a full run
because technically you still play the minibosses?
maiden narwhal
yeah ok
stone rune
you just dont have another 1/3 chance to instantly kill the run
maiden narwhal
is that meta
stone rune
and tony
maiden narwhal
or your picks
stone rune
there is a standard speedrun modpack
maiden narwhal
it's down to game knowledge yeah?
how you shave off seconds is how fast you choose
stone rune
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the 40 heat experience
i have more
top 2 worst category
stone rune
yeah
stone rune
beo is the only weapon that is good at 40 speed
maiden narwhal
oh so that's just what everyone uses and then you try to see who can do it fastest
stone rune
yes
maiden narwhal
if beo is best at that heat why play anything else?
stone rune
for fun
maiden narwhal
but isn't the fun the fastest clear...
maiden narwhal
ofc but then competition takes a back seat
and speedrunning sounds p competitive by nature
stone rune
well its not really that competitive
its for fun
this is just how u play the game
for a lot of people
maiden narwhal
there are "challenges"?
stone rune
?
maiden narwhal
and groupings/boards around those?
idk someone mentioned challenges in relation to speedrunning
"depends on which challenge" i think they said
but if that's not a thing, nvm
stone rune
probably category
stone rune
there is that
drowsy linden
new idea:
unmodded rta talos ap2 bp2 ri2 contractorless keepsakeless 4sack
stone rune
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201072352218325064/1209599496871350322/i...
aah
ok now i get it
couldn't picture it thanks
how many categories do you compete in?
stone rune
i have wr for 32 and 40
and #3 in modded igt and #6 in unmodded igt and like 8 or something in modded rta
maiden narwhal
playerbase size?
stone rune
idk
maiden narwhal
well v cool whatever it is
also whoever said crystal beam would give me another duo before i got rid of it, i hope you stub your toe
drowsy linden
well free money and uc fodder
maiden narwhal
well free money and uc fodder
yeah
also, crystal beam is WONDERFUL
y'all haters
maiden narwhal
embrace and patrol
up and down up and down up and down
alll ded
ahajah if i take epic greater haste
wow that'll be hilarious
but rare hyper sprint better i guess
latent moon
playerbase size?
i mean there's like 1800 runs in unmodded unseeded anyheat lmao
and 600 runs modded unseeded anyheat
maiden narwhal
idk 1st on a world leaderboard is impressive if the base is 10 people
maiden narwhal
and 600 runs modded unseeded anyheat
why are modded runs lower wouldn't it be the other way around?
stone rune
higher barrier of entry
latent moon
idk how many people actually run it because the same person can submit multiple runs because of different aspects
stone rune
cant do it on console
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
aah
stone rune
need to install something
latent moon
and also some people aren't aware of it to begin with
maiden narwhal
and also some people aren't aware of it to begin with
but if you're doing "speed running" how could you not be?
latent moon
people can go for low times without knowing about modded
maiden narwhal
not everyone is aware modded exists
i don't even know what speedrunning is and i know what modded is
stone rune
ur in the discord
maiden narwhal
logical step if you want to git gud
fervent radish
also whoever said crystal beam would give me another duo before i got rid of it,...
No clarity?
latent moon
logical step if you want to git gud
not really tbh
maiden narwhal
No clarity?
clarity?
stone rune
maybe you listen to reddit and get hard stuck at like 8 minutes or something lol
latent moon
crystal clarity
fervent radish
You could’ve gotten crystal clarity
latent moon
dem arty duo
stone rune
because ur playing chiron with dio special
latent moon
maybe you listen to reddit and get hard stuck at like 8 minutes or something lol
tbf that's good enough for the majority of people
also 8 mins with dio chiron is pretty damn good imo lmfao
stone rune
ig
maiden narwhal
maybe you listen to reddit and get hard stuck at like 8 minutes or something lol
reddit is literally the worst
stone rune
hades reddit is addicted to giving bad advice and stating factually incorrect things
like you can get pom before boon
im still salty about that
latent moon
there are a few people on reddit that are aware of sleepsoul's guide but majority dont at all
fervent radish
Is that the YouTube one
latent moon
yeah
maiden narwhal
in every discord of every game i've ever been in (99% mobile gachas, 1% hades) the popularly held opinion is the people in the reddit sub are the worst
for good reason
latent moon
that's a pretty common consensus tbh
maiden narwhal
hades reddit is addicted to giving bad advice and stating factually incorrect th...
variations of this reason
just wave your hand in the general direction
latent moon
there's very very few actually good people in the subreddit that give good advice lmao
maiden narwhal
they say the most ridiculous things
dry mauve
i always see that banana guy commenting on reddit
latent moon
lmao wonder who that could be
dry mauve
i wonder
dry mauve
the other guide guy posts a lot too i think
maiden narwhal
You could’ve gotten crystal clarity
idk what this is
i got cold embrace
this is actually great if you play it on patrol
dry mauve
almost all his comments are linking to his build guide
latent moon
lmfao probably tbh
dry mauve
but i guess when you're catering to the average reddit user that's warranted
maiden narwhal
if you played warcraft or any rts you know what unit patrol is
fervent radish
idk what this is
i got cold embrace
this is actually great if you play it on p...
Crystal clarity is better than embrace for the most part
maiden narwhal
whose duo?
fervent radish
It tracks better independently of where you are
fervent radish
dem arty duo
.
maiden narwhal
ah it's the one that improves the tracking
fervent radish
Yes
maiden narwhal
yeah that would've been better
latent moon
cold embrace is kinda wack
maiden narwhal
ah well
maiden narwhal
i'ma sell them both and buy out styx
fervent radish
Real
maiden narwhal
how do you boost er damage?
fervent radish
Explosive return?
maiden narwhal
yes
latent moon
% bonuses
mint coral
I think is boosted by % specials?
fervent radish
It scales with whatever you have on special
fervent radish
And it just applies whatever flat you have
latent moon
if you have thunder flourish, it'll call down a bolt as well
latent moon
zeus is still very good on it tho
fervent radish
It’s good for getting em3 Theseus
fervent radish
Zeus and jolted is probably BiS
latent moon
although apparently aphrodite is becoming meta for 64 so idk anymore lmao
maiden narwhal
but i mean it's good with zeus shield special
not necessarily explosive return?
fervent radish
It’s just bc Zeus is unreliable
latent moon
true
fervent radish
but i mean it's good with zeus shield special
not necessarily explosive return?
Er means a quick application of jolted
fervent radish
Yeah
stone rune
unfortunately zeus is not a good aspect
maiden narwhal
that works nicely
stone rune
its actually the worst in the game by my calculation
maiden narwhal
unfortunately zeus is not a good aspect
all my favourites suck
latent moon
its actually the worst in the game by my calculation
your calculations are just "is it beo"
latent moon
it's not plagiarism if im not using it as an argument
also i'm not patenting the formula so it's def not plagiarism i'm allowed to use it for academic purposes
maiden narwhal
either way it's theft not plagiarism
dry mauve
the best aspect in the game is hades because its in the title of the game
latent moon
exactly
latent moon
the best aspect in the game is hades because its in the title of the game
god i wish
dry mauve
if hades didnt exist then we wouldnt be able to play hades
fervent radish
The best way to play hades is to not play hades
Well, time to wrap it up guys. Nothing more to discuss.
maiden narwhal
the best aspect in the game is hades because its in the title of the game
like blizzard fr made blizzard op in every single title since warcraft 2
even in diablo lol
latent moon
hades spear is certainly an experience
maiden narwhal
fervent radish
Real
latent moon
is this to get rid of beam lmao
maiden narwhal
yis
latent moon
based
i'd roll to get jolted if you dont have that tho
boiling blood isn't a big deal considering your damage is mostly flat damage
maiden narwhal
i don't but really?
it's only asphodel
and zeus was seed
like 80:20 i roll hermes:everything else
what do you guys save it for?
latent moon
it's only asphodel
i mean yeah
you have the opportunity to get jolted here
so why not
maiden narwhal
and zeus was seed
i fully expect to find jolted eventually, is my point
latent moon
might as well get it now
there's no reason to wait until later
esp since another zeus isn't guaranteed
maiden narwhal
might as well get it now
i won't get offered heroic as often?
maiden narwhal
esp since another zeus isn't guaranteed
even though he was seed?
latent moon
you have a higher chance of getting jolted than a replace lmao
latent moon
even though he was seed?
yeah
i've had runs where i started zeus and only got him once after
maiden narwhal
he'll almost certainly be one styx tunnel and probably a shop boon
latent moon
and even none
latent moon
he'll almost certainly be one styx tunnel and probably a shop boon
no guarantee
latent moon
yeah
why would it be guaranteed lmao
it's just rng
styx is only gold laurels but it'd still have to roll for zeus
maiden narwhal
it really feels like "core" gods get offered more
and that seed gods get offered more
probably pareidolia
maiden narwhal
styx is only gold laurels but it'd still have to roll for zeus
wym styx is only laurels?
dry mauve
boon rarity on non-essential boons doesnt matter too much
maiden narwhal
the seed will be in styx laurels?
mint coral
wym styx is only laurels?
doors have laurels indicating the type of reward
maiden narwhal
boon rarity on non-essential boons doesnt matter too much
fair
dry mauve
like common jolted will do more for you than heroic cast
mint coral
gold laurel is run only stuff like boons/coins/etc
dry mauve
given you're not a cast build and your cast has no poms
mint coral
(dark foresight increases the chance for these)
blue laurel is the meta stuff like darkness
latent moon
also zeus cast is only good in like tartarus and styx lmao
and for spreading jolted
which you dont have lol
dry mauve
i kind of wish you could install mods on switch
having a dps counter would make figuring out good builds easier
maiden narwhal
which you dont have lol
yettt
latent moon
i mean hopefully you get it
maiden narwhal
doors have laurels indicating the type of reward
ah ok i get it now
i thought gold meant.. better
in some form
latent moon
technically you aren't wrong
mint coral
I mean-
maiden narwhal
(dark foresight increases the chance for these)
foresight increases your chance for gold?
maiden narwhal
yeah i see it's the one i have on
so that's how i know lol it's right there in the game
only i can't remember opening mirror for anything other than sd in ages
maiden narwhal
also zeus cast is only good in like tartarus and styx lmao
lets you play lernie p reckless too
goes nice and fast if you don't mind giving up the tooth and the defiance
and why would you
and now i shall sell it
for all the obols
only 300 for a heroic?
lame
analog cedar
Woo just managed to beat EM4 for the first time, hera bow OP
maiden narwhal
how does quick recovery work with lc4?
maiden narwhal
Woo just managed to beat EM4 for the first time, hera bow OP
wow grats
maiden narwhal
how does quick recovery work with lc4?
nobody knows?
latent moon
how does quick recovery work with lc4?
works as normal
a couple of things work through lc4 although most of them aren't that good
maiden narwhal
would you advise epic?
latent moon
if the other options aren't good then it's not bad
maiden narwhal
another roll costs 2 skulls /:
latent moon
yeah then just take it
unless you wanna hard roll for like
dashes or hyper sprint or rd
maiden narwhal
yeah common side hustle and flurry cast. would have to try hard to get worse
maiden narwhal
dashes or hyper sprint or rd
i have hs and i really want to yeah i'm in ely now
is extra dashes something you'd pick over move speed?
latent moon
mmm depends
maiden narwhal
aw
now common quick reload is my best option 🤌
latent moon
if it's a heat level i know i can clear then hyper sprint
maiden narwhal
ah well
rolled the dice
latent moon
if i need the safety then dashes are better
although i might skip over common dashes
depends how im feeling
maiden narwhal
if i need the safety then dashes are better
ok you don't use it aggressively
to apply curse or something
latent moon
not really unless i'm speedrunning
latent moon
training for what
maiden narwhal
one of the first things i was told when i joined the discord was gilgamesh is bad because "timing is off"
latent moon
oh the dash strikes are like weird
it's slightly delayed after you hit the button
shorter dashes but you get more of them and you can hold it down
upper wolf
I was joking
But it also has 5 dashes, so, y'know, it's kinda close. Except for the fact it isn't
maiden narwhal
i loved gilgamesh before i was told it's bad
i'm still going to take it to 20 heat i think
it's the only non shield melee that properly swings
all other is jab
fervent radish
i loved gilgamesh before i was told it's bad
Don’t stop loving something because you’re told it’s not optimal
I’ve done every aspect at 32 and I’m not particularly good at the game. People have done every aspect well above 50, so don’t give up on anything
latent moon
yeah you're allowed to keep playing it lmao
cherry knows gilga sucks but he took it to sub6 after like years of playing basically only gilga
fervent radish
Like jazz means well when she bags on Zeus, but that’s because she’s a speed runner
maiden narwhal
Don’t stop loving something because you’re told it’s not optimal
absolutely won't
still love it
and talos
but maybe my game will change, and then i won't so much
fervent radish
Zeus was the first(and only) aspect to get to 64
latent moon
guan yu and rama are close lmao
fervent radish
Yeah tbf
latent moon
honestly wild
fervent radish
All aspects 64 when
maiden narwhal
rama is stacked
fervent radish
I wonder if they could do them seeded
latent moon
oh definitely
fervent radish
Like all aspects
maiden narwhal
Like all aspects
yeah but some are pear shaped
fervent radish
Huh
maiden narwhal
just saying all can be op probably but some are easier to play than others
latent moon
Which one would give trouble you think?
Gilga, all swords, hestia
maiden narwhal
alll swords 🤌
fervent radish
I think nem could do it
Beo would be possible with chaos
Well
Yeah
Routed chaos could do it
latent moon
Zag bow might suffer from DC
fervent radish
Jank infernal soul could get there
latent moon
Maybe lmao
fervent radish
Tdash and flurry might help
latent moon
Granted routed would def make room skips doable to make it up time
maiden narwhal
oh god butterfly
why
i have 1 hp
there's broadsheilds out there ):
looool archer
gg
unreal mason
Gilga, all swords, hestia
Hestia wouldn't be too hard, start with Poseidon attack and then get razor shoals (or start with cluster bomb and put dio or zeus on it
latent moon
that sounds extremely sus lmao
idk how doable that is but sure
or just bad eris
that might work
upper wolf
honestly I'm wondering if there's some 500IQ strat for hestia that either no one realized, or they realized and thought it would be awful to actually play
but honestly I feel like bad eris might be the way
unreal mason
honestly I'm wondering if there's some 500IQ strat for hestia that either no one...
I once thought it might be possible to train yourself to shoot an enemy twice to end dc and reload to powershot but that sounds like cancer to learn.
upper wolf
I wonder if there's some kind of completely cursed play where the strat is "start zeus attack, spray bullets until there's no DC, snipe, repeat"
or going ares/dem cast or ares/dio dash
latent moon
amb did lightning strike hestia lmao
unreal mason
or dio dash
latent moon
idk if it was for 50 or higher but it did happen
unreal mason
or going ares/dem cast or ares/dio dash
keep in mind you only have 1 dash or 1 cast at 64 heat
unreal mason
So if it is routed start with Chaos egg, get lightning rod and more cast stones - therefore any aspect can be done
latent moon
unreal mason
aspect of lightning rod is the way to go for 64 heat any aspect seeded (I'm only half joking with this)
formal citrus
Dang, two hits from Charon. Normal speed tho
upper wolf
That's probably better than I'd do no matter the pact
Charon is more about training
Getting hit only twice is pretty good
slim leaf
hi
upper wolf
Hi
vague peak
Hello.
slim leaf
how are you?
slim leaf
lol
drowsy linden
aspect of lightning rod is the way to go for 64 heat any aspect seeded (I'm only...
no its actually aspect of pressure points
just get the crits™️
sick ginkgo
||Hi peoples so I have a question about post-game. I've beat the game (brought Persephone back to the underworld) and I've played a bunch more after beating it (about 45 hours total), trying to upgrade my weapons, unlock and try out new hidden aspects, go for personal speedrun records, and just have fun. My question is, is there more to play towards in the game after beating it, besides just having fun playing and enjoying the satisfaction of it? Is there more significant story involving Persephone or anything else? Are there some unlockables that change the game and add content? Not exactly sure what I mean by all this so sorry if it makes zero sense. <3||
^^^ question about post game so only look if you've completed the main game to avoid spoilers
stone rune
i hate this game
rustic vale
||Hi peoples so I have a question about post-game. I've beat the game (brought P...
So
stone rune
if i have to play one more chamber of witches im uninstalling
sick ginkgo
i did know that its sick
rustic vale
As someone 400+ hours in I am still getting new ones
I’m mainly playing for the satisfaction of high heat and speedrunning at this point
sick ginkgo
ok thats what i assumed
sick ginkgo
grind for the unseen one title
i didnt even know ranks exist ill check it out
thanks sm
i love this game sm and i want to keep playing but i dont want to overstay my welcome and get sick of it if u know what i mean
stone rune
dont speedrun
rustic vale
||Hi peoples so I have a question about post-game. I've beat the game (brought P...
Have you finished the epilogue?
Tied up the rest of the major story beats after that like freeing sisyphus /orpheus
wary iron
ye that's what i was gonna say
rustic vale
getting your relationships to their max
wary iron
|| keep giving everyone nectar and you'll get more ||
stiff obsidian
if i have to play one more chamber of witches im uninstalling
have you uninstalled yet
stone rune
no i closed the game
its actually insane how atrociously unfun this game is
all i want is 1 sub430
rustic vale
upper wolf
rustic vale
all i want is 1 sub430
Dang sub430 minutes? That’s a huge ask
proper tusk
i finally beat 32 beat with spear
proud iris
noice
rustic vale
still my only weapon that I haven’t cleared 32 with 
proper tusk
all it took was splash dash + razor shoals + a 90% dash strike buff from chaos + serrated edge + flurry jab + rush delivery + hunting blades + mirage shot
proud iris
im trying to get the lucifer aspect
rustic vale
all it took was splash dash + razor shoals + a 90% dash strike buff from chaos +...
That’ll do it 
proper tusk
still my only weapon that I haven’t cleared 32 with <:zagpls:1012805274261799032...
it took me as much time as all the other weapons combined for 32
proper tusk
yea that sounds about right
proud iris
it took me as much time as all the other weapons combined for 32
my best was 16 heat
im just trying to plat the game
proper tusk
i was thinking about trying 40 with rama or something but i put my pact together and decided against it
proud iris
but zeus dont want to give me the lucifer aspect
rustic vale
im just trying to plat the game
same but Spear doesn’t like me
stone rune
if u get flurry 50 is free
rustic vale
if u get flurry 50 is free
Tell that to everything I didn’t know I could die to
before I started using spear
proud iris
same but Spear doesn’t like me <:zagpls:1012805274261799032>
why?
rustic vale
why?
Idk something about the gameplay just doesn’t click with me
I like it but I can’t get it to work
rustic vale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1140689794263941253/...
Front facing than on widescreen
tulip sapphire
ok, i just did my 10th run with the fists and all the 10 times i wasnt able to find asterius alone. I enter all skull rooms, but all i see is that giant pink ball. Any tips?
rustic vale
ok, i just did my 10th run with the fists and all the 10 times i wasnt able to f...
Tbh
It sounds like you’re just having an rng problem
stone rune
be happy u never get bul
rustic vale
The best I can help with is like building & gameplay so you’ll get there faster
But I can’t tell you anything that’ll guarantee you see Asterius
stone rune
be on good pace with an ix
tulip sapphire
ok, i just did my 10th run with the fists and all the 10 times i wasnt able to f...
apparently he's affraid of me, only reasonable answer
tulip sapphire
The best I can help with is like building & gameplay so you’ll get there faster
thanks
proud iris
Idk something about the gameplay just doesn’t click with me
yeah, the spear is kinda meh for me
upper wolf
maybe the fact the special sucks
or that the spin sucks
or that the only good hammer (serrated point) also sucks for no reason
or that 3/4 aspects focus on the special, which sucks
stone rune
its good on gy
upper wolf
with one focusing on the special and spin
rustic vale
any tips for the zeus conversation about the rail hidden aspect?
Honestly it the same thing
latent moon
Spear being mega hammer reliant is kinda sad
rustic vale
Just force him with keepsake at the start of the run & take every boon of his you can
You have met the requirements right?
proud iris
You have met the requirements right?
yep
rustic vale
5 blood in rail & GY revealed
proud iris
i have all the other hidden aspects and all the rail aspects
sick ginkgo
Have you finished the epilogue?
oopsy no i havent. i have the queen's plan prophecy. I should focus on doing this right?
rustic vale
I mean it is the largest chunk of story left
proud iris
i have all the other hidden aspects and all the rail aspects
literally the only one left is the lucifer one
rustic vale
The rest is more 1 on 1
rustic vale
i have all the other hidden aspects and all the rail aspects
Then it’s literally keep throwing zeus boons @ the wall till one gives the dialogue
Force him in early, take as many zeus boons as you can over the run
proud iris
Just force him with keepsake at the start of the run & take every boon of his yo...
ive been doing this for the last 3 hours, i think im gonna cry
rustic vale
How have you been doing it
3 hours of straight zeus running? Btw hitting give-up resets to the same seed so you should get the same dialogue every time if you were trying that way
rustic vale
rng dialogue is so fun at times like these
upper wolf
wdym "go for it" ?
proud iris
rng dialogue is so fun at times like these <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
what is rng dialogue?
rustic vale
Hades chooses what dialogues npcs use from a pool of all the ones they could say atm
so like
proud iris
wdym "go for it" ?
i go to the room with his boon
rustic vale
it’s rng whether your voiceline will the revealing phrase or some random voiceline
mint coral
what's this for, hidden rail?
rustic vale
Yeah
proud iris
what's this for, hidden rail?
yep
mint coral
you should commit back to the house after the first boon iirc
past the first is only random voicelines
upper wolf
yeah, I also think so
mint coral
can't be the phrase
rustic vale
*actually dying
proud iris
yes
rustic vale
past the first is only random voicelines
proud iris
i kill Zag and then i try again
rustic vale
what
upper wolf
Actually I don't think you can even get random voicelines after the first boon
It's first boon/duo/shop/shop surprise I think
proud iris
i kill Zag and then i try again
ive been doing this for 3 hours
mint coral
that's rough
upper wolf
do you have 5 titan blood invested in the rail ?
rustic vale
ive been doing this for 3 hours
As long as you got the trigger phrase you don’t need to keep running rail
upper wolf
and the hidden spear aspect ?
mint coral
they have everything else I think
rustic vale
like the one where zeus acknowledges you using rail
proud iris
do you have 5 titan blood invested in the rail ?
yep
rustic vale
like the one where zeus acknowledges you using rail
Every run after that can be any weapon you want
proud iris
and the hidden spear aspect ?
yes
upper wolf
damn
proud iris
Every run after that can be any weapon you want
fair enough
proud iris
RNG dialogue is pain
it really is
rustic vale
RNG dialogue is pain
at least weight the important dialogue or use a cumulative chance 
upper wolf
or design a better system
rustic vale
at least weight the important dialogue or use a cumulative chance <:zagcry:10128...
Can still have the ‘organic dialogue where npcs aren’t exclusively focused on what you need like questgivers’ while fixing the rng issue
If you just slap cumulative weighting
mint coral
at least weight the important dialogue or use a cumulative chance <:zagcry:10128...
some dialogues do have priority lol
mainly the story ones
rustic vale
some dialogues do have priority lol
some
mint coral
no yeah I know what you mean
ig their idea was like "play at your pace it'll happen soon(tm)"
proud iris
yeah
mint coral
but then you get all the "is my quest bugged"
rustic vale
ig their idea was like "play at your pace it'll happen soon(tm)"
I think it was more “these guys aren’t just quest giving npcs”
Lemme see if I can find a quote because I swear they had a quote
mint coral
who here took like 70+ runs for gilga
rustic vale
I remember hearing about that
proud iris
who here took like 70+ runs for gilga
i took like, 40+
but for gilga
it was like, firts try
stone rune
i never got it
latent moon
You should do 1 unmodded fist run and see if you get it first try
proud iris
You should do 1 unmodded fist run and see if you get it first try
wdym unmodded?
latent moon
Jazz uses the speedrun modpack which means that she can't get the bull miniboss
So she doesn't have gilga unlocked lmao
proud iris
makes sense
rustic vale
Not that it’s a big deal to be missing out on gilga
drowsy linden
who here took like 70+ runs for gilga
me with beo
everything else i got while trying to get beo
stiff obsidian
all i want is 1 sub430
do u rly have to reset at witch rooms for that
thats crazy
tulip sapphire
i finally got asterius, i just needed to complain in this server, u guys are the best