h1-discussion

[mint coral]

Here is fine w/o them

[fading sail]

okay, btw keep in mind I almost have every character with 6 nectars (I think I am only missing Eurydice which I have 5 there)

[mint coral]

Are you in the locked hearts with like everyone

[fading sail]

Most have locked hearts yeah

I've given Ambrosia to only like 5 characters, others are locked

[mint coral]

Tl;dr do some task for the character, in themes of character and most of them can be obtained by just keep playing

Charon is spend 10k total

Cerberus is pet him/etc

Favors are in the wiki (to know what the exact triggers are)

[fading sail]

My missing achievements:

Musician and Muse
Night and Darkness
End of Torment
Divided by Death
One for the Ages (yeah I haven'te gotten the epilogue lol)

[mint coral]

Makes sense if you have gods at locked hearts

[fading sail]

oh also I'm missing 4 companions too. Only have the one from the skeleton and Thanatos

[mint coral]

Which one is torment, ?

[fading sail]

The guy with the Boulder

I think I'm getting close to that one

[mint coral]

Divided by death needs to have done Orpheus and sysiphus quests first iirc

Night and darkness, is nyx at the lock already?

[fading sail]

btw I'm greek but I still have to google the names to remember who is who lol

[fading sail]

yeah both Nyx and Chaos at lock

[mint coral]

Aight, is just dialogue at this point

That said if you get the item to finish the quest I wouldn't get it until the other 3 are done

[fading sail]

Hence why I was asking if I can just off myself at the beginning of a run just to return home and progress Nyx for example haha

[mint coral]

Cuz you'll be getting dialogue about her quest being done for a while

[mint coral]

Hmm def check the wiki, can't remember if you need more dialogue from Chaos

[fading sail]

I'm trying to find the "furthest" point I need to reach haha. Right now it seems it's Eurydice because I haven't even maxed her nectar and I might have to for the Musician and the Muse

[mint coral]

Tbh I'll play till elysium if you haven't gotten certain dialogues from patroclus

(the best one you need is something like "tell Achilles to risk it all")

[fading sail]

yeah I was just googling if Patroclus is needed for anything and he is needed for Achilles companion which I also need for an achievement

[mint coral]

Yeah achilles and patty task is shared

Same for orpheus-eury

[fading sail]

Does beating a run progress anything? I still haven't gotten the epilogue but it is also stated as "having conversations with..."

[mint coral]

Epilogue needs you to max 6 of the 8 gods

With Dem counting as one when you reach the lock

Cuz her favor needs the epilogue done

[fading sail]

Oh I haven't even checked what Gods need

I'll have to make notes about all this haha. Will definitely need the wiki

Appreciate the help

[fervent radish]

However you want to play, but personally, I found it easier to set myself a big goal like all aspects 32 and then just play. The achievements will all come with time and you don't have to keep resetting

[mint coral]

Hermes is an easy one once you know the favor

Zeus/artemis are pretty much rng dialogue

Aphro is a pain depending how much you have advanced Than/Meg/Dusa

[fading sail]

I swear I have bought 12 Lounge renovations but Dusa is acting so selfish and not unlocking her next heart 🤣

[mint coral]

The wonders of the dialogue system

[mint coral]

Dio will happen naturally

Faster if you unlock dusa's

[desert tundra]

yeah I think Dusa took me about 50 runs to get her last heart unlocked 😭

[mint coral]

Athena/ares happens naturally

[fading sail]

I honestly only want the remaining achievements currently. I got what I wanted from the game

[fervent radish]

fair fair

[mint coral]

And pos is fine but you need to know for it to be done quickly

Or it will take a while

[fading sail]

I am 100%-ing a huge list of old games on Steam and I'm so tired of having to follow guides or researching

I was really hoping I didn't have to research that much, but it's okay 🙂

I'll make notes about everything

[torn phoenix]

still haven't got dusa's myself

[desert tundra]

I did everything in the game without looking it up lol

[mint coral]

Tbf hermes is the only one that I can think of as being a pain

[fading sail]

Dusa is needed for achievement, yikes

[desert tundra]

you don't need to look stuff up to complete it, just takes playtime from my experience

[mint coral]

And it fully depends on how much you like his keepsake

The rest can pretty much be done by "just keep playing"

Even with pos favor you'll probably luck out into the trigger

[fading sail]

Depends on playstyle. I'm bored of the base game, so I just want to get the remaining achievements and move to the next game. I get bored very easily

[steep condor]

everything can be done by just playing but it does make sense to want to streamline it if you want to 100% many games

[desert tundra]

how come you're 100%ing games then? a lot of them are grindfests if you get bored easily lol

[fading sail]

Yeah, that sucks haha

I won't 100% every game I have. Only ones I like

[fervent radish]

Sounds like you don't like hades much anymore lol

[desert tundra]

idk I've seen games like Terraria and Noita that seem genuinely impossible to 100% without looking anything up, but they're probably also outliers lol

[fading sail]

That is indeed true. I would like more variety on rooms/enemies/bosses

[desert tundra]

just gotta wait for Hades 2

[fervent radish]

heat?

[fading sail]

I always played with heat yeah

[steep condor]

lack of variety is a common complaint about hades actually

[fervent radish]

yeah quite a fair complaint

[fading sail]

lack of variety on "encounters". The game has huge variety on builds

[fervent radish]

BP and EM is nice for variety i guess

[fading sail]

I honestly find it frustrating to having to fight the Bull twice in the same run sometimes haha

[fervent radish]

||modded||

[steep condor]

when i got bored of the game i took a break of year and then put another 200 hours in

[mint coral]

Oh yeah you can fight him twice

[steep condor]

feel this tbh

[mint coral]

What's barge

[dry mauve]

barge of death?

[fervent radish]

sacked?

[fading sail]

I have 40 hours currently haha

[fervent radish]

never heard of her

[mint coral]

Tony vermin?

Only in my dreams

[fervent radish]

Oh lol

With 40 hours, I feel like there's enough variety with heat to keep you going but to each their own

[mint coral]

Tbh the major loss of modded is I can't listen to the bloodless mid run lol

Cuz it only plays with barge/tony

[fading sail]

I've done every possible heat challenge. I've also gotten the second Skelly statue (which requires 16 heat I think)

[fervent radish]

It plays in my head if I try to think of the barge

[desert tundra]

wait twice by himself?

[fervent radish]

nah, once with thesues

[fading sail]

No, once by himself and once with his sugar daddy

[desert tundra]

oh ok thats what i thought at first

[steep condor]

you could turn off the game music and just listen to the soundtrack

[fervent radish]

EM4?

[fading sail]

What's that

[fervent radish]

the extreme measures pact

[mint coral]

Extreme measures, bosses gain new moves

[fervent radish]

but applied to hades

[mint coral]

Em4 includes dad

[steep condor]

"16 heat is free"

[fading sail]

oh I've only done that up until 3 because that's what an achievement requested 🤣

[fervent radish]

got it

Well, while the individual pacts aren't much by themselves, combinations can get pretty fun and challenging

[fading sail]

the bull and achiless is somewhere I get bored, so when I saw what EM3 did to them I never touched it after up until 3 haha

[fervent radish]

BP2 FO2 is a completely diff game

[mint coral]

Amazing accidental Achilles slander

[fervent radish]

achilles fight would be cool

[fading sail]

lol isn't it achilles? I always thought it was haha

[fervent radish]

theseus

achilles is the dude at the house

[fading sail]

yeah I thought they were the same

oopsies

[fervent radish]

real

[fading sail]

I swear I am greek, not even joking

[fervent radish]

also real

[stiff obsidian]

🗿

[fading sail]

honestly, don't hate me, but I've probably read nothing from dialogues

I very rarely read dialogues in games. Yes, I am one of those players haha

[fervent radish]

Anyways, I've started to feel the lack of variety when the heat options take qol away, but you can get to 32 and still have a game with variety imo

you could try your hand at speedrunning

[fading sail]

I am speedrunning my Steam library out of games I haven't 100%-ed currently 🤣

[fervent radish]

lmao

well consider it this way

the faster you clear runs, the faster you'll 100% the game

just one trick beo and go fast

[latent moon]

true

can confirm

[fading sail]

I think I'll hate speedrunning in general. I want new stimuli constantly

It's fun watching it. Doing it would drive me nuts

[fervent radish]

least adhd hades player 🙏

thats fair

Big beo chunks are fun though

[fading sail]

I do believe I have ADHD, but I never got diagnosed due to family considering medical diagnosis a tabboo for some reason

and now I'm too old to think a diagnosis will make any difference honestly

[fervent radish]

it's all g. I was undiagnosed for most of my life as well

eh, might as well just so you have it in writing imo

[void vigil]

i have like 700

[fading sail]

What drives me away from wanting to get a diagnosis is that greek systems lack in almost everything. It's honestly more influenced by the random 'specialist' I will see, than by me actually having it or not

[fervent radish]

Ah I see what you mean

[fading sail]

Being old also makes it hard to diagnose

[upper wolf]

I feel like that's a worldwide problem lol

[stiff obsidian]

ive played 90 hours in the past 2 weeks

[upper wolf]

at least it's the case for everyone I talked to

[fervent radish]

I don't know if that's necessarily true.

[stiff obsidian]

ive also postponed an important assignment for 2 weeks

[fading sail]

for ADHD at least

[stiff obsidian]

coincidence?

[void vigil]

mental health talk and such is probably better suited for #off-topic-discussion but its a really interesting conversation

[fading sail]

sorry, it was a small detour from other stuff we talked about

[fervent radish]

You could look into online options. I'm unfortunately not informed about mental health options in other countries

but yeah, back on topic ig

[stiff obsidian]

i accidentally rolled off jolt

[lavish sorrel]

uh

off-jolt, like jolted, zeus reference ofc

[steep condor]

if you have any issues or problems that could be explained by adhd it's still worth trying. being older makes it harder to get a diagnosis but it's not impossible

though i can understand not having hopes in an underfunded medical system

anyway i just played hades after a one week break, started mid run, had no idea what was going on and thought everything is easy due to low heat (i was maxing my unused keepsakes).

at the end noticed i had hermes legendary

it was so much fun reezing through, i'm actually considering to try speedrunning instead of higher heat

[rancid sorrel]

thanks

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1207807132729085982/image.png?ex=65e0fd0c&is=65ce880c&hm=848cf9cd14ddf8bf5f9d7c2c227998022ecf90819880e13f87aa4a49c9c74279&

wtf

this isnt even tartarus

[quasi dust]

That's insane what the hell

50????

[rustic vale]

Js3 + js curses?

Possibly

[stiff obsidian]

just js3

[covert hare]

it would be cool if after the epilogue you get a

" you can now play as thanatos "

[latent moon]

Js3 bloodless and spreaders?

[latent yacht]

so how do you unlock EM4?

was it giving nectar to Hades?

[covert hare]

you buy it

[dry mauve]

i think the only unlock requirement is beating the main story

which requires 10 successful escapes

afterwards you can buy it from the contractor

[latent yacht]

ah, that makes sense

i couldn't remember

thanks

[finite thorn]

Let’s go guys. I promised to myself I wouldn’t go modded until I sub9, and that is DONE LETS GO

[latent yacht]

how do you all get these fast times? by best is 12:55.58 with the rail (at 16 heat) 💀

[finite thorn]

Hours of repeating same stuff over and over again

Now I can sub12 with my feet. And best players can sub9 with their feet. We all have our own level but it improves if you practice

[mystic lark]

I only got to 9:24, modded. But I only use that swift pact thing, I forgot it's name

[latent moon]

Someone link the Speedrun basics vid

[finite thorn]

9.24 is exactly my previous unmodded pb haha

Haven’t gone modded yet I will do soon

No wait it was 9.26 nvm…

[mystic lark]

I played unmodded casually for 500-600 hours, got bored, started playing with mods, and only after that got interested in going faster, so I did not run unmodded to begin with

[finite thorn]

Also @latent yacht read and watch guides first thing first, that multiplied my level by 10 instantly

[latent yacht]

it's funny how i mostly play Chiron bow and i've never gone under 15 minutes with it, but my best time (sub 13 minutes) is with Eris rail which i barely play with

[latent moon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

[latent moon]

Because Chiron sucks for speed

[mystic lark]

Chiron bow is just slow

[latent moon]

One of the worst for@speed unironically

[mystic lark]

I love it, but it is slow

[finite thorn]

Is it slower than Demeter

[latent yacht]

might be bad for speed but it's really enjoyable and easy to play

[mystic lark]

Yes!

[latent moon]

Chiron is bottom 3 for speed

Demeter is like

Fine

[latent yacht]

oh damn

so what do you recommend for speed?

[finite thorn]

Ah ok i thought it was bottom too

[latent moon]

Watch the vid

[mystic lark]

I personally recommend Achilles :D

[latent moon]

I mean it's not great but it's not atrocious like Chiron lmao

[finite thorn]

Well there are ranks for every aspect so in my opinion just go with what you like. If you really want time, it would be Beowulf

[latent yacht]

cast build or a regular damage build?

[mystic lark]

Regular damage

[latent yacht]

sucks that i don't have Beowulf on my 2nd save that i play on yet, i really wish i could play with it

[mystic lark]

But I am not a pro, lol

[finite thorn]

I pkay dem fists cause I love it but it’s not really good (I will start Beowulf practice soon I think cause it looks fun too)

[stiff obsidian]

eris

[finite thorn]

Btw I’ve tried one run of beo in the plane just to check out. The basic combo is not that easy to get at the beginning, is it? Or is it cause I’m just too used to fists?

[latent moon]

Cast is strongest

[finite thorn]

You can get a 100% file if you play on pc

[latent moon]

Although Achilles is kinda both atk and cast

Cast scales way better late game

The atk is first half mostly

[rustic vale]

Wdym by basic combo?

[latent moon]

Dash strike into rush and do 2-1/3-1 cast splits

[rustic vale]

The damage rotation is like shield rush shield rush shield rush

[finite thorn]

Dash strike + cast + bull rush if I’m correct

[latent moon]

Ah yeah

Loading casts can be a bit funky

[rustic vale]

Wasn’t sure if you meant that or just smthing like “standing strike standing strike standing strike”

I remap cast for beo and hera

So it’s more convients

[latent yacht]

i have a 100% save file, excluding max rank (obviously), all aspects maxed and all house contractor decoration stuff

[rustic vale]

As a controller player

[latent moon]

Beo has a decent learning curve but it's not too hard

[latent yacht]

but i just got back to the game after over a year break and i'm playing on a fresh file

[rustic vale]

Idk if I’d say “obviously” tbh

[finite thorn]

How do you do?

[latent yacht]

bruh it takes 325,000 dark essence to max it, i'd never grind all that

[rustic vale]

In settings

[rustic vale]

Yeah but like idk if I’d assume someone who said “I 100% Hades” would be excluding ranks

[finite thorn]

Haha I mean which settings do you use

[rustic vale]

even though it’s a grind that’s kind of the thing with 100%ing a game

[latent yacht]

ok well i didn't 100% Hades then, but i did get all the steam achievements

[finite thorn]

And it’s annoying to change settings all the time 😭

[rustic vale]

Literally just swapped around special and cast iirc

makes the button more convient

I know other players would remap to something like the right and left triggers

But I can’t be bothered to do that much work

[finite thorn]

Oh yeah I think so cause you dash strike so your finger goes to the left, annoying to go right again and then left again. With cast on top, should be easier

[rustic vale]

ideally yeah

Would be like slide up from the bottom

But I know people who would rather just keep thumb with dash and strike and load cast with their pointer fingees

On the triggers

[finite thorn]

Oh no I’m too lazy for that. Only play with thumb haha

[rustic vale]

My issue is more muscle memory of summons and calls

can’t switch it up for important functions like that

[torn phoenix]

I have accidentally hit summon so many times

[finite thorn]

Fck me too

So enraging

[covert hare]

its even worse when you hit summon intendedly

only to miss it

[west relic]

Do yall play on deck or pc more?

Or I guess that’s controller v M&K

[finite thorn]

lol at the Elysium ball too early 🤣 I didn’t even know it was possible until I do it

[finite thorn]

Portative switch and controller pc for me

[latent moon]

I think most use controller but kbm is still very good and usable

I use kbm personally

[covert hare]

yeah i was totally flabbergasted when the butterfly ball moved and dodged my summon

[latent moon]

But both are equally good imo

[finite thorn]

The ely ball moves?

[covert hare]

with certain conditions yes

[latent moon]

With middle management yes

Although your summon should always hit before it moves unless you're using than

[west relic]

Okay cool

[finite thorn]

What’s middle management again? I forgot

[latent moon]

Mini bosses get a new gimmick

More enemies, new arena,

Bull gets nothing tho

[dry mauve]

he gets buffed by EM3 though

so its a tradeoff

[finite thorn]

We talking about ball not bull hh

[dry mauve]

the big butterfly ball miniboss gets to teleport

most of the minibosses gain a minor gimmick that is supposed to make them harder

its not too bad though

mostly free heat

[torn phoenix]

Indeed

[torn phoenix]

I play on deck

[mystic lark]

Controller, I don't have a deck

Well, I would not have a use for one since I don't go out often anyway...

[formal citrus]

Is maxing out keepsake level required for progression of any kind? Like getting companions or anything

[mystic lark]

I'm not sure, but it sure is required for an achievement

[mint coral]

hermes favor requires you to talk to him with the keepsake at 3*

[formal citrus]

Wait what are favors?

[mint coral]

to unlock the heart lock

aka ambrosia gifting

[dry mauve]

everybody has a locked heart at some point that you need to unlock

some of the unlock conditions are very easy

like charon's is just spending enough gold over the course of many runs

and zeus's is mostly just accomplished by talking to him a lot

others are considerably more involved to do

[formal citrus]

Cool

Trying to reunlock everything reasonably efficiently on this hell mode replay

[west relic]

Honestly I love using it just laying in bed or on the couch. Don’t have to sit up at a desk

[west relic]

Ohhh so that’s what those are for

[torn phoenix]

Same lol, perfect for playing in bed

[west relic]

such a great device for it

[brisk trail]

..........

[devout torrent]

bouldy ur my icon

[stone rune]

no ur icon is artemis

[devout torrent]

wait ur right!

[echo minnow]

im going insane i havent been able to fhink about anything but thanatos and hypnos for

Too Long

[nocturne kelp]

HI BOULDY‼️‼️

[tepid light]

good golly gee you are down bad

[echo minnow]

down bad ?

[tepid light]

i can't explain the term without potentially breaking the rules of this server

[echo minnow]

no i know what it means

i ' m not down bad i am simply Very upset about them they cause me emotional turmoil

[upper wolf]

Have you tried being alive and awake ?

[echo minnow]

good idea

[rancid axle]

I love the progression of Hades to where I can look back and be like “Wow, I remember when getting to Elysium was hard or Alecto was the peak of difficulty” lmao

It applies to other games too

[vague peak]

So playing the game without GM has been going differently than I thought it would’ve.

I got good RNG so that’s cool.

[native blade]

Fr lol, I was like:
“Tisi’s the hardest, no doubt”

[vague peak]

But the dmg reduction not present has been pretty brutal…

[native blade]

I’m finna do that one if these days but it depends on how much the game punishes trading damage because the only reason I used GM was play how I liked.

[native pewter]

Bruh discord pings me everytime the Asian guy speaks

[steep condor]

i... i always thought it just means, like, not feeling well

[native pewter]

Tells me he's talking to someone else discussing something

[steep condor]

(can i still play that english isn't my first language card)

[native blade]

It’s just… being extremely lewd

[native pewter]

Holding hands level

[native blade]

That should be fine… I think

[native blade]

Woah, let’s chill out bud

Ion wanna get banned

[native pewter]

Looks like I'm getting banned

[steep condor]

yeah i, i got that now

[tepid light]

what why

[native pewter]

I have no idea

Wait lemme try something

Actually nevermind

[sage sphinx]

guys I have a five word horror story

perfect twin explosive shot rama

[tepid light]

i did twin explosive shot rama the other day

it's funny, but so horrifically slow that it's hard to justify

[sage sphinx]

oh absolutely

I kind of adore it but it's really pretty much a worse rama

cuz realistically you get about the same amount of damage (correct me on this but in a melee range for about the same amount of charge

[rugged pivot]

Why can I talk to a rock

Why does Zagreus even try to talk to the rock

And why does it have different lines

Sometimes it's "..." Sometimes it's "....." Sometimes is "...."

This game is crazy

[nimble patrol]

You don't talk to rocks?

[rugged pivot]

It's funny because I've already seen some memes about bouldy but I literally haven't unlocked him until like 65 hours in

And I'm at 70 hours now

[rugged pivot]

Not often no

[nimble patrol]

It's because of how impeccable this community is

[nimble patrol]

You should try it more often

[rugged pivot]

Do you unlock him by giving Sisyphus gifts?

I guess I didn't unlock him sooner because I hadn't given him gifts for the longest time, up until recently

[nimble patrol]

I haven't played since it was on Xbox gamepass I'm the wrong guy for questions

Bro is forging that sentence

[rugged pivot]

I woke up and decided to use the worst possible verbal tenses for that sentence

[nimble patrol]

It's alright I'm just permanently like that

You get used to it

[echo minnow]

I FINALLY GOT A LYRE

( the reason i started hades was because i wanted to play the lyre )

adhd be damned my boy can work a lyre

good gods he sucks at this

[upper wolf]

We all do at first

Keep practicing!

[echo minnow]

how long does it take ?

i rmeember my friend stayed up till like 5am trying to get the lyre to work with me one night

[upper wolf]

210 uses

[echo minnow]

JESUS

[void vigil]

its not supposed to be done in one go

i did like 3-5 before each run and it wasnt that much of a slog

also gave me the required dialogue to continue with the lyre quest

[echo minnow]

what if i do do it in one go

the game should let me serenade people

[upper wolf]

Same

[void vigil]

you need certain dialogue from orpheus to finish the quest so theres not much point other than spending like an hour pressing e

even more. imagine

[echo minnow]

boooooooooo

[void vigil]

nothing is stopping you but i would be put off from the game if i had to do them all at once

[lavish sorrel]

[quasi dust]

Does anyone else go after Thanatos' kills just to spite him or is it just me?

[lavish sorrel]

depends on what the enemy is and where it is in relation to zag and the exit

I wouldn't go out of my way much to steal kills, but if there is nothing better, I'd do so

[quasi dust]

Makes sense

Gotta go fast

[lavish sorrel]

[quasi dust]

I like doing it sometimes lol

iirc he becomes annoyed sometimes when you do that and I find it funny lmao

[lavish sorrel]

"that was my kill."

[quasi dust]

Skill issue, Than

[quasi dust]

He says that I'm pretty sure

[lavish sorrel]

yeah ik

"pick your own targets"

[quasi dust]

Make me

[steep condor]

yes. all the time

[maiden narwhal]

do you play aphrodite cast on non load weapons?

[steep condor]

spiting thanatos reminds me of that time i destroyed an abusive ex of mine at snes mario kart for a whole evening. warm feelings

[lavish sorrel]

hera end beo of course use aphrodite cast, but other than that it's usable on melee aspects with slow animations (arthur, gilgamesh).

it's also fine if you need aphrodite for a passive duo

(sweet nectar, smoldering air)

crush shot can also synergize with lightning rod, less likely to lodge casts

[maiden narwhal]

ah, slow attack animations. i guess that lines up, yeah

[maiden narwhal]

yeah this is the reason i was considering taking it

i used to love it with rail

i play rail melee and the timings synch nicely

toss special, dash in, cast
and then the special lands on you and buffs your attack

[echo minnow]

ME I DO

ITS FUNNY AS HELL

[nocturne kelp]

I DO TOO⁉️⁉️

[steep condor]

no you don't, he doesn't show up except when i summon him to take like half your health

[nocturne kelp]

dammit

[maiden narwhal]

told

[nocturne kelp]

The fact that was OOC im gonna cry and scream

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1208004757117992960/IMG20240216162854.jpg?ex=65e1b519&is=65cf4019&hm=4431909309f85a9cbd31ccb390653b6b3a25e4df14a59b69d3a44e674168d41f&

i had 5 hp when i picked the pom room that turned out to be fountain that's now leading to patty

allah loves me

on the other hand.. i was in such bad shape because my build sucks

so i'm not going far regardless

[echo minnow]

WAIT YOU CAN SEND IMAGES IF YOU GET THE LINK ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1148085834646569022/1208008830357602394/adhd_be_damned_my_boy_can_work_a_lyre.jpg?ex=65e1b8e4&is=65cf43e4&hm=2c8b23b6d665314ec8551e2efdc5924c3f4d1ca337ec9bf545f393a486c3081a&

oh this is fantastic news

[brisk trail]

..........

[nocturne kelp]

BOULDY‼️

[maiden narwhal]

i rerolled hermes

now he's offering second wind, greater haste, and swift strike

all common

roll again, or take wind?

[gray apex]

It depends on what you're doing. Wind is pretty solid

[maiden narwhal]

zeus shield with no build in mind

ok good, i went wind

[quasi dust]

HAHA LET'S GOOOO🤝

[fossil sphinx]

Had to learn the hard way smoldering air doesn't work with hades aid

[mint coral]

Ouch

[fossil sphinx]

Like I had it, and then equipped hades aid

[formal citrus]

Playing beo. Have pos, dio, Arti, Zeus in my pool in mid aspho. Zeus it the only cast I have been offered, even spending a reroll

I have splitting headache even lol

[tepid light]

rip

[rustic vale]

I mean tbf

Hades aid has breakpoints at 50% and 100%

[fossil sphinx]

Yea but I expected it to like do something at leas

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

[mystic lark]

25% hades call... Zag turns half-transparent and deals 25% more damage for 2.5 seconds

[formal citrus]

Does hell mode give blood from 5-25 heat?

[void vigil]

Yes it’s the same as normal

[formal citrus]

Just shifted 5

[maiden narwhal]

max js bp is all fun and games until suddenly: greatshields

[stone rune]

i dont think its all fun and games ever actually

[maiden narwhal]

you rather the ones that cut your hp and raised prices?

[stone rune]

i mean

yeah probably

[maiden narwhal]

i tried that for three runs it was awful

so now i'm trying this

[dry mauve]

depends on how you want to play

the main "meta" for increasing heat is to max out tight deadline and avoid taking anything that makes TD harder to meet until very high heat levels

so no JS

[stone rune]

i wouldnt like cf

cf is really bad

but if by "cut your hp" you mean lasting consequences

that one can be good

[dry mauve]

but you can turn TD lower and make up the heat in other places

[stone rune]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KWc-jjxIVw2WtP3qq18b10VS9n2Osrmb1vpnUgoU4u0/https/i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=665

[dry mauve]

its not what a lot of people would recommend though

[stone rune]

it is a truth universally acknowledged, that every first 32 heat with td2, would have been a td3 time with a better pact

[dry mauve]

i played almost all my 32s with TD2

[stone rune]

my first 32 was td2

and it was like 17 min igt

[dry mauve]

idk i like taking my time some places

[maiden narwhal]

i can easily do td2

ok

[dry mauve]

and not feeling like im at the mercy of the RNG

[maiden narwhal]

td3 i don't think so

[stone rune]

its not really rng dependent

[dry mauve]

well the issue is that i dont optimize for speed and i dont play modded

[stone rune]

even on a 5 sack you'll still probably have a td3 time

[dry mauve]

so my runs do or do not make TD3 on sack rng sometimes

i play the game for fun

[stone rune]

i do too

[dry mauve]

i dont find dying in styx based on rng to be fun

so I dont take TD3

[mystic lark]

https://i.imgur.com/kF3lRHE.png

Why is it not one-to-one, it bothers me xD

[dry mauve]

its definitely an option if you want to do 32 but its not required, and I cant see why some other people dont

[stiff obsidian]

wait until you get that at 50 hp

[stone rune]

its fire

free hc every room

[dry mauve]

something something, lose two DD to a single enemy

[maiden narwhal]

your guide is recommending cf tho

but ok im going to try that

[latent moon]

cf is filler heat

[dry mauve]

CF is worse than it looks but also not terrible

so if you need 1 or 2 remaining heat you turn it on instead of something terrible

[stone rune]

its not fun

but it can be like

[latent moon]

that spreadsheet takes cf1 but you can easily take like hl2 or whatever instead

[stone rune]

fine if u want ur first clear

[maiden narwhal]

i'm already ahead of the curve because i don't have to learn max fo

it's my default heat

[stone rune]

i have a burning hatred for cf

and also ap

and bp

[dry mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PELL0ywIqck

[maiden narwhal]

so i can put thati n instead of cf

[stiff obsidian]

yea i have seen this

[dry mauve]

this is my typical 32 on the new file im playing
https://i.imgur.com/vBew3Gu.png

TD2 because my clears atm arent low enough to guarantee TD3 in styx

[stone rune]

whenever i play 32 these days its to speedrun

and i try some diff pacts

[mystic lark]

Where is this screenshot from?

[stone rune]

this one was ok

[dry mauve]

https://hadesheat.onrender.com/

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1206766918741000212/image.png?ex=65dd3446&is=65cabf46&hm=1ebcbdd0d4e2f763bd5fe2e11aadb5963bf00692a24027779a48d70b9784b28d&

[dry mauve]

i just use this to show off different mirrors

[stone rune]

with lc3

it actually kind of sucked though

[dry mauve]

since i can do it in browser instead of opening the game

[stone rune]

the standard 32 pact i use is hl5 lc4 em3 bp1 uc fo2 hs td3

[stiff obsidian]

you should check banananas 32 heat guide pinned in #hgihh-geat strategems

[stone rune]

oh yeah

ill do that

thanks for the tip

[stiff obsidian]

ideal 32 heat speedpact would run ap2

and get lucky

[stone rune]

oh yeah ur right

im gonna do that

[upper wolf]

We should all do that

AP2 is so fun

[stiff obsidian]

yep

:copium:

[dry mauve]

if ur a good player

you win on ap2

[upper wolf]

if you're a good player you win on 64 heat

[dry mauve]

true

[upper wolf]

unfortunately, we all suck

[stiff obsidian]

if youre a good player you do meme runs at 64

[stone rune]

i have never gotten as lucky as i did with ap1 on my first 40 heat speedrun

which is still the wr lol

[upper wolf]

if you're a good player you always get 2 sacks when playing unmodded

[stone rune]

i have so many screenshots of mirage and rd and sprint and good chaos getting ap1d

[stiff obsidian]

🙂

if i want to make a savestate do i have to close my current run

[stone rune]

40 heat and unmodded rta competing for which can be the most intolerable category

[stiff obsidian]

or can i copy the savestate without closing it

[mystic lark]

If you're a good player you can beat hidden 256 heat

[gray apex]

If you want to copy the savestate of the current run you're in you dont need to close it

[stiff obsidian]

ok thats nice

thanks

[fading loom]

died to em3. don't call

i loooove gilgamesh but i play way too recklessly

[lavish sorrel]

gilga is like the aspect with no survivability

so you cannot be blamed

[fading loom]

i just wish i was, uh, good

[stiff obsidian]

dont we all

[lavish sorrel]

||I wish I could be bad at the game again, forget all I know about it and restart 😩. experience FF for the first time||

[stiff obsidian]

me when hollow knight

[lavish sorrel]

yes

[upper wolf]

urg, idk how to set up the boon selector mod with AP

I got my boon crossed out

and it just straight up doesn't work with the no vorimed part of modpack

Woe

[elder elm]

for epilogue, do you need max hearts for all boon gods

wiki only mentions 5 afaik but im a little confused because i cant seem to get it triggered

all are either maxed or at 6 hearts, while ares only has 3

guess i just need to keep getting ares up and eventually epilogue will randomly start/proc with mother?

[mint coral]

6 of them maxed

dem counts as one, once you reach her lock

[elder elm]

all are maxed except ares

[mint coral]

dialogue system moment

but just to be sure you have 6 gods with the bond formed right

if yes just gotta hope for the dialogue from persephone about the invitations

[elder elm]

only can currently get zeus pose and athena bond

all others locked with the gold heart and key

[mint coral]

wait so you don't have 6 maxed

[elder elm]

except ares

[mint coral]

aight aight, yeah when I mean maxed is bond including

you need to do a certain task for the lock, zeus/athena can be shortened to "just keep talking"

[elder elm]

oh theres a specific task for the hearts? just assumed they unlocked after epilogue

[mint coral]

favors are all on the wiki

yeah specifics tasks

Dem counts once you reach the lock cuz her favor is the epilogue

ares/hermes favor are ez

10k enemies killed/talk to him with 3* plume

aphro is a pain depending how you are with meg/than/dusa

[elder elm]

where are the favors mentioned

ah nvm i found them

[upper wolf]

I got chain CCed in the game !!

A witch shot me, which made zag staggers just long enough for Megaera to rush me, which instantly threw me into a spike trap

What kind of 400D chess is this

[drowsy trellis]

That's what I like so much about Tis, her dodge windows feel much more like windows than anyone else's because she has so many follow-throughs on every hit.

[covert hare]

no wonder zag is like " ah damn not her "

[west relic]

Beat Minotaur and Theseus first time meeting em 😎

[mint coral]

Take care of rat bites

[brisk trail]

.........

[west relic]

And of course I died to hades in his last phase 🫠

[covert hare]

well looks like that didnt stopped him

[west relic]

Ooohhhhhh that’s so defeating

How do I open this gift

Oh I guess I trade it for blood

[mint coral]

ambrosia?

replaces nectar after gifting enough of it

[west relic]

Yea should I trade it in for blood or is there a better reason to keep it?

[mint coral]

early game not really

you can trade some for blood, just don't go crazy with it

[west relic]

Oh okay

dying to hades was so defeated after that run

I just want post game stuff

[native blade]

FR

[west relic]

27 runs and nothin

[mint coral]

post game? more like story progress

[west relic]

Just the thought of going through the beginning again seems grueling 😂

[nocturne kelp]

HI‼️‼️ ^_^

[west relic]

Okay I finished crying. Time to go again

[tulip stone]

Hey guys quick question

Does the brief boost from hyper sprint stack with rush delivery?

[upper wolf]

Yes

It's OP

Free +100% damage

[tulip stone]

Thanks!

[latent moon]

that's pretty much the only way to make rush delivery actually useful/good lmao

greater haste and plume open up rd but they're not great

[steep condor]

idk 40% dmg boost w/ greater haste and epic rd isn't not useful imo

like sure 100% dmg boost is better but... you know?

[latent moon]

on the other hand

good luck hitting 2 epics on hermes lmao

not impossible but not very likely, even on pride

would def do something tho but it kinda just exists lmao

pstatus with more rng lmao

[steep condor]

true, it's probably more likely to get normal hypersprint and rd

[latent moon]

lmao yeah common hyper spring and rd is way more likely and also just better

even scales better off of ichors because of multiplicative movement speed

[tulip stone]

Oh my god(s)

You weren’t kidding

100% RD + 30% Plume + Arthur + Purp Art Attack made me do like 4000 damage with a backstab

Maybe more??

Like, a reduced Hades by a third of his health instantly

[stone rune]

200*2.2=4000?

[tulip stone]

Oh yeah is also had some chaos boon that made my backstab twice as effective

[lavish sorrel]

So true

[rustic vale]

Yeah bc you just always have double purple hermes

when hermes has nerfed epic odds

And even then common hyper sprint with common rd is more damage

[steep condor]

yeah banana pointed that out, tbh i didn't really think of odds. just thought "well you don't always get hypersprint and rd..."

[stiff obsidian]

i died in an erebus gate

[tepid light]

F

[maiden narwhal]

hey quick question for any/everyone over 32:

in elysium, do you path hp over pom?

[native blade]

Nah

Depends on playstyle

[maiden narwhal]

so if you run around ranged killing things, you go hp, and if you're more melee leeroy, you go pom?

[stiff obsidian]

it depends on your build and how many poms you already have

[maiden narwhal]

hm

ok

speaking of build, if you think you had a nice one but you're losing anyway, would you give up or die?

[stiff obsidian]

idk about that because i would just die to enemies in that case anyway

[maiden narwhal]

yeah but like hit esc give up the second before you die?

[stiff obsidian]

for what

[maiden narwhal]

you'll get the same build again right?

[stiff obsidian]

only c1

[maiden narwhal]

c1?

chamber 1

really?

but someone showed me this whole thing about how people give up and memorise paths..

[stiff obsidian]

well then it would be a seeded run

[maiden narwhal]

oh is seeded a setting?

i thought it was jargon

[stiff obsidian]

wdym by setting

[upper wolf]

nah it's about RNG manipulation

[stiff obsidian]

ingame? no

[upper wolf]

but at that point like

[maiden narwhal]

then how is it only c1?

[upper wolf]

it's easier to just try another run lmao

[maiden narwhal]

won't i get aphrodite athena again if i give up?

[upper wolf]

it's only C1 unless you go for weird manips

[maiden narwhal]

that's what i was asking hah

[upper wolf]

because everything you do (more or less) changes what you're gonna get later

[stiff obsidian]

unless you use the exact same inputs you wont get the same stuff

[maiden narwhal]

aaaah

so i can't make.. smarter choices

ok now i get it

[tepid light]

I like to try to get at least +50 max hp per biome, excluding styx, so that I'm in a good state to deal with dad

so my path depends on how much hp i've gotten so far

[maiden narwhal]

wow you actually plan around hp

[stiff obsidian]

same kind of

[maiden narwhal]

i do the exsct opposite i avoid it like the plague

[steep condor]

i sometimes reset for m. e. if i got athena and ares in tartarus, bc then it's possible to keep the seed

[stiff obsidian]

i mean i dont think about it much until elysium

[tepid light]

this is not a mentality i can afford to have against buffed-up em4 dad

[maiden narwhal]

ok ima try it your way

[stiff obsidian]

but at elysium i dont feel safe until i reach 150 max hp

[maiden narwhal]

it's like they makin him play 4

MA
SO
CHIST

also it's the exact right mentality for arpg

[native pewter]

The thing summoned me again 💀

[maiden narwhal]

glass cannon pew pew

do you even amazon

[void vigil]

I ply with no heat but I always aim for about 200 hp by the end of elysium

[maiden narwhal]

the thing is... every point that's going into hp is a point that's not going into power

[void vigil]

Why does autocorrect insist on correcting it to Elysian so bad

[stiff obsidian]

me too

[maiden narwhal]

because you're much more likely to use the commonplace adjective then the obscure noun

[native pewter]

Because auto correct knows they're not getting into Elysium

[torn phoenix]

elysian

[gray apex]

Some points going into power are inconsequential

[maiden narwhal]

people who know what elysian means do not necessarily know what the elysian fields are

[tepid light]

it's awfully difficult to take advantage of power when a single attack hit from dad makes you lose a dd

[maiden narwhal]

skill issue

[void vigil]

I don’t know what elysian means outside this context and I don’t know why it has a capital E

[maiden narwhal]

lern2dodge

[tepid light]

ok wise guy play my pact without trying to get hp and then talk to me

[torn phoenix]

use eurydice keepsake for dad

[maiden narwhal]

hahaha just because i can't execute

does not mean i'm wrong

[lavish sorrel]

this seems about right

[steep condor]

you're being rude though

[maiden narwhal]

i'm being facetious

[native pewter]

He's technically right in that we all have skill issue

[lavish sorrel]

like in general, 50HP per biome sounds reasonable

[tepid light]

i'm not offended mind you, but yeah that could come off a little condescending

[lavish sorrel]

so true

[maiden narwhal]

i mean

[void vigil]

Well, if you can’t execute, don’t insinuate that someone is bad at the game - it is rude and just leads to arguments

[maiden narwhal]

i am the first to say i suck

[upper wolf]

wrong, I have urge to skill instead

[maiden narwhal]

i didn't insinuate
i outright said it

and one has nothing to do with the other

[upper wolf]

bruh

[void vigil]

okay, then don’t do that

[lavish sorrel]

[native pewter]

This just comes down to how people perceive the word skill issue

[lavish sorrel]

disrespect in here

[stiff obsidian]

🗿

[maiden narwhal]

and i never said he was bad at the game

i said he was bad at em4 dad

i'm sure he'll agree with me

there are probably players out there who are good at em4 dad

[void vigil]

Ok, so that’s rude, and please don’t say it

[maiden narwhal]

like i said, i was being fa.ce.ti.ous

[steep condor]

it's ok to make skill issue jokes but it didn't seem to me like asian appreciated that at which point you should stop maybe

[void vigil]

Like I said, stop

[steep condor]

also just listen to the mod either way i guess🤷‍♂️

[maiden narwhal]

idk
"wiseguy" does not sound like something someone serious would say

but whatever this is stupid

[void vigil]

It’s fine to be facetious with people you know or even talk to a lot on here but if you say that to someone who you don’t know, it comes off as rude instead

[tepid light]

I'll just reiterate what I said earlier: although I wasn't offended myself and I realized you were joking, I do think that could have very easily come off as rude/condescending to someone else

[maiden narwhal]

"sounds like skill issue" is a meme

google it

[steep condor]

what is that reaction

[maiden narwhal]

but ok

now i know you kids don't get stuff

[native pewter]

Hey man just because you don't mean something doesn't mean it's not gonna get perceived as that thing to other people, I'm pretty sure you should just try to be careful in a public community

[tepid light]

^

[maiden narwhal]

"meme" means public

good grief

[tepid light]

something being a joke does not mean people aren't allowed to find it objectionable

[upper wolf]

I'm running out of emotes

[maiden narwhal]

you're allowed to find it objectionable!

that doesn't make me rude

[void vigil]

Alright this is going nowhere lol just drop it yall

[stiff obsidian]

true

:1984:

[native pewter]

Wild

[native blade]

My b AD, just saw

[maiden narwhal]

idk who you are but you're not a mod so sit down and be quiet

[void vigil]

I am, so drop it :)

[native blade]

?

[void vigil]

That’s definitely rude

[maiden narwhal]

how you delete before i reply

nonsense

[void vigil]

That’s because I said y’all should stop

[upper wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[maiden narwhal]

all actin like he didn't say smth

[native blade]

I did, that’s why I apologised to Alma

[maiden narwhal]

no i'm fine with that it's just annoying he deleted before i hit enter

[lavish sorrel]

can we chill plsthx
1: "skill issue" is a meme / phrase directly made to get a reaction out of someone, and if the meme isn't gotten or not found funny by everyone involved, then quit
2: language, and by extension humor is subjective. not everyone is going to understand stuff the same way
3: if you did not mean to offend anyone, then say something along the lines of "Oh, I am sorry I offended you. I did not mean it." and move on.

[void vigil]

yes, but I said to stop, so can you drop it please?

[lavish sorrel]

yes, moving on

[maiden narwhal]

i dropped it long ago

but controller andy appears to want a paddlin

[native blade]

Great, so anyways, who say power who says health?

React to vote

[lavish sorrel]

both

[native blade]

You can do both

[maiden narwhal]

nobody except you and me

[steep condor]

to change the topic let me make the controversial statement that doing a seeded run for just tartarus isn't that much work

[stiff obsidian]

but it makes it a seeded run

which makes it not an unseeded run

[steep condor]

which only matters when playing competitively

[stiff obsidian]

ii mean the context is 32+

[upper wolf]

meh, is it really useful to seed out tartarus if you're already playing modded ?

[stiff obsidian]

also it is a ton of work

[void vigil]

Whatever anyone wants to say in any discussions in the server, use your best judgement and just keep it civil, there’s no need to insult anyone or escalate the situation if it’s already getting heated

[steep condor]

yeah but you can do 32+ just for yourself

[void vigil]

Anyway

[tepid light]

@void vigil hey can i get mod

pls

[steep condor]

idk i don't play very consciously most of the time and it works for me, sometimes

[void vigil]

Sure! It’s in hades’ speedrun.com page

[stiff obsidian]

you have to do the entirety of tartarus with the exact same inputs every time

[steep condor]

true, i'm not playing modded / don't have the option to on switch so basic seeding it is

[steep condor]

not every action changes the seed, it's specific stuff like opening codex (i never do that during runs), casting, destroying pots

[stiff obsidian]

exactly

[steep condor]

it's really not hard to recreate that, to me, and i have no idea what i'm doing mostly

i mean it doesn't work every time, but it's not completely out there

[upper wolf]

60% of the time, it works everytime

[maiden narwhal]

what if you like what you got in tartarus but then made some bad decisions in asphodel

wouldn't rerunning tartarus for the core boons make more sense than dying?

it isn't that hard to make the same inputs in tartarus, it's relatively small

[stiff obsidian]

best i have done is 3 chambers

[upper wolf]

at that point it sounds like more of a bother than it's worth

[maiden narwhal]

what do you mean by inputs, other than door and boon choices?

[steep condor]

maybe just try it and see if it works out for you

[upper wolf]

casts, breaking pots, codex, atvl

[steep condor]

inputs that change the seed

[upper wolf]

probably other things

[maiden narwhal]

gtfo

are you serious?

[upper wolf]

yeah

[maiden narwhal]

no

[stiff obsidian]

im not rly an expert on this but every dialogue and stuff changes the seed etc

[upper wolf]

that's what we're talking about since the beginning of this convo lol

that's why seeded is annoying to do

[maiden narwhal]

so people who do seeded runs memorise every single action and input?

[upper wolf]

nah

afaik

[stiff obsidian]

yea

[maiden narwhal]

why the hell would they put themselves through that

[upper wolf]

they have a program that helps decide what to do

[void vigil]

If you take a look at some routed runs you can see what it means here

[stiff obsidian]

you would know if you watched the vid i shared

[upper wolf]

kinda hard to get a sub 3 minutes otherwise

[maiden narwhal]

yes, i watched the video

but then you still have to commit it to memory, right?

[native blade]

They’re insane, they’re speedgerunners after all

[maiden narwhal]

and for this they get..

the admiration of people just like them?

[upper wolf]

mostly they have fun themselves lol

[maiden narwhal]

or does the entire community be like there he go

[upper wolf]

my sibling in chaos, you don't need to do what the community tells you to. You just do what you're having fun doing

[stiff obsidian]

i dont think people do it for clout

[maiden narwhal]

don't speed runners also have the best builds tho?

most damage output for fastest killing?

[upper wolf]

Why exactly those madlads have fun in doinig routed runs I don't know, but it at least makes for funny videos

[native blade]

Depends on the challenge

[torn phoenix]

Is it even possible to get such low times unmodded

[maiden narwhal]

not unless you're nigel richards or something

(he's not a gamer he's just a savant who could memorise every input without a mod)

[lavish sorrel]

theoretically? yes. is it ever going to happen? heck no, not even in 100 years

[stiff obsidian]

if speedrunning is anything like heatrunning it will be done tomorrow bc of this

[lavish sorrel]

so true

[upper wolf]

You're gonna summon angel

[lavish sorrel]

[maiden narwhal]

that moment the doomsday crystal realises you have charged shot

[upper wolf]

Damn I'm too slow

[stiff obsidian]

yep

[void vigil]

The modded WR is under 3 minutes IGT isn’t it

I haven’t checked in a while

[stiff obsidian]

no

modded is 4:30 last i checked

[torn phoenix]

That makes sub 7 or 6 seem more doable

[maiden narwhal]

what does this mean

i don't know anything about speedrunning and mods, other than that people do it

[rose roost]

that's with runcontrol a diff mod

[void vigil]

What is that?

[stiff obsidian]

seeded but without most of the hassle

[void vigil]

It says unmodded but I guess it doesn’t count

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1208398794987806720/image.png?ex=65e32413&is=65d0af13&hm=15ba8b00873a37b53f120855b0b79dbdd663e15ed6b7af89bc950f4bd650b9e6&

[rose roost]

that's modded seeded which i think is different from runcontrol which allows you to preplan everything

runcontrol doesn't have it's own category in speedrun.com

[native blade]

Speedrunners sometimes give themselves handicaps to make it harder

[maiden narwhal]

sure, but in general, wouldn't a speed runner need a strong build, to clear rooms fast?

or is it just forcing rd and stacking ichors and that sort of manipulation?

[lavish sorrel]

idkman the fftc no unlocks category exists

[maiden narwhal]

i have no idea what that is so..

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[rose roost]

generally yeah but enemy spawns are far more imp

[lavish sorrel]

10 wins from a new save in a row (FFTC) but you unlock N O T H I N G (No Unlocks)

[maiden narwhal]

so emulating their builds is a good starting point, for a beginner who wants to push to 32?

[rose roost]

since getting the build is pretty easy

[stiff obsidian]

yea speedrun builds are basically meta builds

[rose roost]

yea

[stiff obsidian]

but sometimes priotizing defensive boons can be better

[maiden narwhal]

ok so they contribute to the guides

cool

[stiff obsidian]

like id def use ddash on sword

[maiden narwhal]

and when you guys say decision making you're talking about more than just pathing and shops and favours, you're talking about boon choice and duos too..

so y'all have the codex boons memorised?

[lavish sorrel]

yes

[maiden narwhal]

i guess it must just come naturally

[lavish sorrel]

p much

[stiff obsidian]

it happens pretty naturally

[maiden narwhal]

it's v annoying having to constantly open it

but i also find i have to do so less

eventually i'll know them all too

[stiff obsidian]

i still refer to it sometimes for boons i dont use much

yep

[maiden narwhal]

unless i get to 32 first hah

extremely unlikely 25 is proving to be a huge pita

[rose roost]

that's how u learn them

[stiff obsidian]

are you playing modded or unmodded

[maiden narwhal]

unmodded

[stiff obsidian]

nice

and hwta weapon

[maiden narwhal]

zeus shield

[rose roost]

hwta

[maiden narwhal]

trying to learn cs but prefer wallop and explosive return

but obv cs is better roi

[stiff obsidian]

to be completely fair there are easier aspects for 32 heat but if it works for you thats completely fine

[rose roost]

try pulv blow

with aphro attk

[maiden narwhal]

i really like the shield and i went with zeus because it's the only one aspect that's finished 64

beowulf feels clumsy

i like zsg shield ignoring special completely

but then it's gimpy from the start so there has to be better

[maiden narwhal]

cool
i usually put that on dio

also is the ares aphro duo better than merciful ending?

[rose roost]

you should play aspects that you like not bcuz said aspect has 64 heat

[rose roost]

no

ME is one of the strongest build in the game

[maiden narwhal]

well this lined up nicely because zeus shield is one of my favourites

and if it can get to 64 (which i have no intention of attempting), it should get me to 32 at least

[lavish sorrel]

CoL

[rose roost]

only thing that competes it is beo and rama

[maiden narwhal]

my favourite is the fists but everyone says it's the worst

and obv i'll listen to your superior knowledge

[stiff obsidian]

the only reason zeus is used for high heat is because it can deal good damage while blocking

[lavish sorrel]

play whatever you like if it's fun, just don't expect to have an easy time

[rose roost]

fists, sword and spear are considered the worst but they can easily do 32

[maiden narwhal]

exactly why it's important that i find out they suck asap

[rose roost]

nemesis, achilles, guan yu and demeter are good if you want to try 32

[lavish sorrel]

GY and achilles kinda good

[rose roost]

yup

[maiden narwhal]

i can't control achilles

although it's the only aspect i clear with

[lavish sorrel]

achilles hard

[rose roost]

yea it's a weird aspect

that's why i went with guan yu for 32

[lavish sorrel]

BASED AND SAME

I got 4 GY 32s before clearing 32 with anything else

[maiden narwhal]

if it's charged skewer, is it really a spear

[lavish sorrel]

you'd be surprised, GY high heat meta is spin build athena attack

[stiff obsidian]

i remember guan yu was my hardest 32

[rose roost]

you still throw it like a spear lol

[maiden narwhal]

i saw a video of hestian doing that yeah

haelian?

[rose roost]

new high heat meta for guan yu being dd is wild

[stiff obsidian]

hestian

[lavish sorrel]

Hestia(n)

[stiff obsidian]

my friend says helium

[maiden narwhal]

haelium

[rose roost]

yeah he did some spin builds

[lavish sorrel]

chemistry

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1208403992305082408/image.png?ex=65e328ea&is=65d0b3ea&hm=f47d0640281583edca5deb1b0191d57da0565b093b027e2d14028f810b6fcc8c&

speaking of speedrun builds for heat

[rose roost]

nice

[lavish sorrel]

AP2 free just gettheboons™️

[stiff obsidian]

did u see how i anviled into clockets

[stiff obsidian]

i died

[rose roost]

not nice

[steep condor]

i'm sure you can do it, even i did it. i find it helps to practice higher heat and then just turn it down but ymmv

[quasi dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1207803194659311637/1208420662717190224/20240217_152932_1_1.mp4?ex=65e33871&is=65d0c371&hm=f9e49d4e04a45a80b7fd67382cca460fed3dedef1c6611e661c813b0d6fbb9ad& the grind never stops

Plugging my switch into the monitor was a great idea ngl

[azure cobalt]

Can Exagryf's Targeting System upgrade stack if I have the triple bomb upgrade as well?

[stiff obsidian]

i dont think so

its either targetted or its not

[fading loom]

on arthur, is artemis or athena going to give me more overall damage on attack?

[raw herald]

Artemis

[tepid light]

^

those crit arthur swings are tasty af

[stiff obsidian]

i would rather take athena and get dr

[tepid light]

could just get athena special instead

[stiff obsidian]

but you have no base damage only crit

and no baseball

[tepid light]

but if you get deadly reversal with artemis strike arthur, it's immensely more consistent

and again, those crit swings

tasty

[stiff obsidian]

deadly reversal gives crit

that is what the duo does

[tepid light]

yes

that is what i am saying as well

[fading loom]

how long is deadly reversal? 2 seconds?

[stiff obsidian]

yea but if you have divine dash its basically full uptime

[fading loom]

that's what i'm thinking

does dash trigger it or do you need something else?

[stiff obsidian]

as long as you see 'deflected' on your screen its up

[tepid light]

any form of deflected triggers it

hence why it's so good with athena dash

[fading loom]

gotcha, gotcha

also i should have clarified, i meant "does dash let you get the duo"

my bad

[stiff obsidian]

no it doesnt

[fading loom]

i see

hmmm

[stiff obsidian]

or itd be too good

[tepid light]

would be excellent if it did, but unfortunately no

[fading loom]

so i guess athena on special just for that is worth it

[tepid light]

gotta have athena special or strike

[tepid light]

as i suggested, ye

[fading loom]

so is artemis attack + deadly reversal fishing better than just going aphrodite attack on arthur, or should i keep it simple

[tepid light]

oh wait no if aphrodite attack is also an option, then i might take that instead of artemis attack

[fading loom]

i go for an attack boon as my first pick most of the time, so this is for my starter keepsake

[tepid light]

as nice as deadly reversal is, aphrodite strike on arthur is just very good and reliable

it really just depends on whether you're just concerned about doing as well as possible, or if you wanna play around with things a bit

if the former, go aphrodite

if the latter, go artemis

up to you

[fading loom]

fair enough, thank you

[stiff obsidian]

best is get dr with aphro attack anyway

[fading loom]

hmm