h1-discussion

[mint coral]

I love that they finally discovered how to do animations swap and this is what they went with

[upper wolf]

steve but based

[stiff obsidian]

🅱️

[void vigil]

its really impressive

[wicked sage]

what do i have to do to forge a bond with zeus? do i have to have 5 gods talk about him in a single run? does chaos count?

[void vigil]

you just have to hear about him from other gods in general - it helps to equip his keepsake first

if you get a zeus boon first, the god you see next is likely to comment on him

[maiden narwhal]

haha i thought i'd do scintillating zag sword

so i forced zeus

seed is zeus attack
second room is dio trippy
third room is scintillating 🤌

i was going to do zeus dash but i found double edge and then artemis offered hunters dash so i figured that would go well

is that right or would zeus dash be better?

also should i shadow slash or double nova

[echo minnow]

am i going Crazy or does skelly look like aaron burr

specifically that one portrait where burr has black hair and looks like a rat

[wicked sage]

ngl he kinda does

[echo minnow]

i couldn ' t sleep last night because i was thinking about it too much

[rustic vale]

Double nova (but whats the thrid hammer)

[maiden narwhal]

hoarding i think

[rustic vale]

Double

Hoarding has potential as extra damage on your dstrikes but

it’spitifyl damage

shadow slash can’t even affect your dash strikes

Double novs you need to wait a sec for the second wave to start

Otherwise dashing will cancel it and stop the 2nd wave from coming iut

[rustic vale]

Arte dash was 100% the play here

Zeus dash is bad for sword

It’s not great on other weapons either

But it’s literally bugged with sword

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1003950297665781830/zeus_dash_bug.png?ex=65d46a13&is=65c1f513&hm=c421e19d48b82e8f47d4b1844fe4e33a725eefc637d4efd9a0039b7a6bf30e1e&

When you have zap dash, your dash strikes keep the inital angle

[maiden narwhal]

is that a zeus thing?

i kinda like the diagonal attacking

[rustic vale]

It’s a sword /zap dash bug

[maiden narwhal]

i die to traps a lot
but it's nice in combat

[rustic vale]

it really just messes up your ability to dash strike

[maiden narwhal]

ah then we're not talking about the same thing

because sword does the diagonal dash strike by default

but noted, will not get zeus dash on sword

[rustic vale]

What I’m saying is

you 2nd dash strike

Will have the same angle as the first

So you dash through an enemy

And you dash back

But your dash strike is the wrong angle

That’s what the diagram is portraying

The 2nd dash strike keeping the same angle as the first

[maiden narwhal]

ok got it so the second hits air

it's nice for mobility but not damage

pity

[rustic vale]

Zeus dash also just

Isn’t great

[maiden narwhal]

aren't i just loading on the lightening at that point

if i'm playing scintillating

[rustic vale]

I mean yeah but zap dash is low lightning

low damage

and you can’t get jolted on an enemy more than once

also you’re running scillanting you take the best outside dps you can to make up for it

[maiden narwhal]

ah fair so there's tons better

is zeus attack the weakest dps?

[rustic vale]

…no

I mean a) it depends on the weapon/aspect

but on zag sword there are worse options

[maiden narwhal]

ok

feels like rats take forever to die

[rustic vale]

rats should be taking like one or 2 lightning hits max

Unless you mean the big ones

There you rely a bit more on dedge and jolted

[maiden narwhal]

yes

it's easier to sit in a corner and let scintillating kill them if the room is small

otherwise poison ticks

[rustic vale]

can’t say much in the way of scillanting because I never use trippy shot, much less go out of my way for a duo that ideally gets next to no mileage

[maiden narwhal]

what's wrong with trippy

[rustic vale]

trippy takes too long, removes boiling blood, steals the casts on weapons that focus on casts

The upside is the high damage

Which

Should mean that scillanting doesn’t get any use because enemies should be dead to it’s damage

The issue w/ that is you’re running it on a regular aspect instead of a castpect so you have no innate boost to it

Zag sword and other weapons have a lot better things to be focusing on

[maiden narwhal]

are castpects only load aspects like hera and beowulf?

[rustic vale]

no

Any aspect that natively boosts casts

[maiden narwhal]

ok

[rustic vale]

pos, achilles, beo, hera, talos, and technically eris

[maiden narwhal]

so all my damage is coming from dash strike right now?

[rustic vale]

most of it should be yeah

[maiden narwhal]

damn

[rustic vale]

Lightning and extra dstrike damage

[maiden narwhal]

ok this is a mistake i wont make again

[rustic vale]

unless you have zeus or dio call

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s a learning thing tbh

Focusing on casts on weapons that would rather focus on themselves

isn’t always the greatest move

and trippy has some issues

[maiden narwhal]

yeah casting trippy is actually really awkward with zag sword

[rustic vale]

Now you can get a lot more mileage from trippy on beo and hera

[maiden narwhal]

you get to them before it lands

[rustic vale]

Because it’s a flare instead you don’t have to deal with the time of flight

and you get mirage shot bugs

[rustic vale]

Biggest issue with trippy shot fixed in one simple step

You just either chose to run stygian soul and scale off extra scales while not having to deal with the 5s cast steal

Or cope with casts that don’t recharge

[maiden narwhal]

what's your go to duo for zag sword?

[rustic vale]

Depends on how I want to play zag that day

The optimal one is ME just like nearly every other melee aspect

[maiden narwhal]

oh i finally see the acorn charge go
i never notice it because it's right on top of you, and i don't focus on where i am, i look at where i'm planning to be

[rustic vale]

but I also like smair zag with zeus strike / aphro special and zeus or dio call

[maiden narwhal]

yeah i'm bored to death of that

it's autopilot. no skill

[rustic vale]

Or drunken strike and aphro special

Just pray that hermes gives hypersprint / rush delivery so you can make use of zags bonus

[maiden narwhal]

this sounds nice

[rustic vale]

And y’know

Every so often

I chase after the flurry slash piercing wave red swift strike run

As

bad as it is

I really want it at least once

[maiden narwhal]

what is red swift strike

[rustic vale]

heroic

essentially need to get purple swift strike by eury

[maiden narwhal]

artemis?

[rustic vale]

No like

The boon rarities

[maiden narwhal]

no who gives you swift strike

[rustic vale]

White :/ blue / purple / red

hermes

[maiden narwhal]

ah

[rustic vale]

Yeah I mean

The name

Kind of gives it away

[maiden narwhal]

oh that's the one someone said is useless

haha i guess

[rustic vale]

I probably said that

[maiden narwhal]

v likely

[rustic vale]

It is useless for optimal play since it only affects standing strikes

However

With flurry slash piercing wave

The idea is that you’re doing standing strikes

It’s a very

Unoptimal build

[maiden narwhal]

what are the odds of flurry slash piercing wave?

[stiff obsidian]

Epic Swift strike flurry zagbow

[maiden narwhal]

or do you use a mod?

[rustic vale]

uhhh

Lemme get back to you in a second

[maiden narwhal]

and even then it's rng

[rustic vale]

Roughly 11%

[rustic vale]

I mean…

Rng manipulation is a thing for bouldy /eury and anvil

It’s technically a game wide thing but it’s easiest to pull it off for those 3

Since anything else is practically routing your run

[maiden narwhal]

and you can manipulate this with mods?

[rustic vale]

with mods you can just guarantee your first hammer

And your second while you’re at it

[maiden narwhal]

guarantee it'll be a hammer, or guarantee it'll offer you one of the effects you're looking for?

[rustic vale]

Guarantee your first hammer is the one you want

[maiden narwhal]

ok

[rustic vale]

Which makes your odds about 30% instead

And it wouldn’t be hard to change the mod for second hammer as well afaik

but I’m playing on switch so I’m not modding yet

I’m getting Hades on pc soon

[stiff obsidian]

Yay

[maiden narwhal]

you move and dash with your left hand, and have all 3 other functions with your right?

[rustic vale]

I move with my left

And have all other functions with my right

I mean left also handles summoning

But dash/ strike/ special and cast are all on the x/y/a/b buttons for me

(Not respectively)

This changes if I’m playing hera or beo

Since I can’t cast properly then

[rustic vale]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YhBDiMthIxOjlIk9AtV7mvgZBmhC49uZmac52NBPI5I/%3Fwidth%3D1920%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5c3d41611a87d469f511d08a88973dab5051d717/https/preview.redd.it/0o15j9h5szc41.png

This but it’s a switch controller

[maiden narwhal]

lol i just googled switch

i've never seen one up close

how do you do everything with xyab

id need dash to be on r1 or 2

or wherever the switch equivalent is

how do you dash and switch back damn

actually the first thing i have to do with any game if i'm trying controller is rebind dash to r1/2

[rustic vale]

Idk I just do

[maiden narwhal]

so apparently everybody is comfortable with using the same digits for dash and attack/special/cast

so weird

[rustic vale]

I’ve been dojng this for 400 hours man

I’m used to it

It just works and I didn’t think about it when I started playing

[maiden narwhal]

significantly longer than that, if you're a console player

all your life probably

[rustic vale]

well

I’m just as much of a pc gamer as a console player

[maiden narwhal]

then you had access to both in your formative years

i didn't

my parents saw consoles like junk food for the brain

[rustic vale]

I’ve been lucky like that

or unlucky in the eyes of your parents

And possibly myself

[maiden narwhal]

i'm sure you turned out ok

[rustic vale]

idk how healthy it was for me to be introduced to games at such a formative age

[maiden narwhal]

not unhealthy

depends on the content

[rustic vale]

eh

[maiden narwhal]

not the medium

[rustic vale]

debatable

[maiden narwhal]

games are a++ for hand eye coordination development

if you let your 8 year old play gta tho ..

[rustic vale]

Well yes but at the same time

Games are designed to like

capture your brain

And I’m not sure how healthy that was as an adolecent

To have tons of access to stuff that just wants to take your attention

[maiden narwhal]

yeah so there's got to be moderation/temperment etc

[rustic vale]

And I don’t have that

[maiden narwhal]

it was really weird, when i was in my 20s, seeing 8 year olds with mobile phones

idk if they were better off, or i was

debatable

[maiden narwhal]

then let's hope you have maturity and self awareness

you seem to be doing ok on the latter

i only got my first playstation when i was 25, and bought my own

by then it was way too late

i couldn't play anything other than crash

and ratchet and clank

which was fun af actually

anyway pc has way more genres than console

[maiden narwhal]

i forced zag and rerolled to epic attack and the next room zeus offered heroic ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

the game wants me to lightning again

mobile discord makes shrug dude look really weird

[brisk trail]

............

[steep condor]

i do all of it with different parts of my thumb. like, i'm just rolling around my thumb. feel like this way i can be faster than i could be w keyboard / mouse

have you seen how top nes tetris players play? youtube was pushing that video on me for weeks so i gave in

they tap the underside of the controller so they push the controller buttons into their hand

[vague peak]

So I played without God Mode for the first time… I have regrets…

Damn, not having GM’s dmg reduction and someone who had it on in the early game, IS CERTAINLY NOT ADJUSTING WELL,

[stiff obsidian]

What did you use?

[vague peak]

Wdym by that?

[stiff obsidian]

What aspect

[vague peak]

Chiron

[tepid light]

i mean, not surprising that it's a rough adjustment

even putting aside that it's chiron which i'm sure some people will bring up

[vague peak]

Yea, I’m just used to the dmg reduction that’s all. And without that… it makes things much more difficult and harsh.

[tepid light]

I getcha

Think you'll keep it off, or turn it back on?

[upper wolf]

you could say
sunglasses
the damage reduction is on your own DPS
YEAAAAAAA

[tepid light]

banned

[vague peak]

I turned it right back on! As for turning it off, that’s a distant possibility at least… for now…

[tepid light]

well hey, whenever you feel ready!

[vague peak]

Yeah, that’s what I’m banking on.

[stiff obsidian]

That's fair but the longer you use it the harder it will get to switch

Try aphro since weak is budget godmode

[lavish sorrel]

true and real

[tepid light]

aphrodite/athena unkillable build, my beloved

[rustic vale]

Yeah I mean godmode just teaches you bad habits

since you build up to 5* the health

[vague peak]

5*?

[upper wolf]

five times

[vague peak]

Well… I guess I understand that.

[maiden narwhal]

yes.. and they roll, too, rather than push buttons

[maiden narwhal]

if you turn it off you'll learn how to.. not take damage

significantly better than reducing it

in the long run

is that all god mode does? reduce damage?

[stiff obsidian]

Yea

[vague peak]

Yeah…

[upper wolf]

You're gonna die though. Like, it's normal

[maiden narwhal]

how far in are you?

just start a new file

[upper wolf]

I think most of us here die more often than they win

[maiden narwhal]

you are supposed to die in roguelikes
each run you get stronger

[stiff obsidian]

My win rate is definitely less than 1%

[vague peak]

Oh no, no no… I’m 10 clears in by now.

I finished the main quest for the story, brought back the queen. All that stuff.

[maiden narwhal]

that's why i have 700 hours and 17 clears 🤌

[rustic vale]

Yeah, 80% damage reduction = 5* the health

So you get away with a lot sloppier play

[vague peak]

Oh… I suppose that’s true.

[vague peak]

10 clears…

[rustic vale]

And since that’s your like

Most formative part of the game

is when you’re new

[maiden narwhal]

that's nothing
start again

[rustic vale]

Cuz then you get muscle memory in

[maiden narwhal]

exactly
the sooner you learn to play, the better
god mode is stopping you from that

[rustic vale]

Why would you start a new save?

[stiff obsidian]

Nothing wrong with using godmode as long as you know ur not going to take it off

[vague peak]

Bro, you want me to start another file?!

[maiden narwhal]

because he can't switch now

[rustic vale]

What

No

Godmode is always toggleable

It’s not hellmode

[stiff obsidian]

But if ur planning to switch later then the longer u use godmode the harder it'll be to switch

[upper wolf]

let people play how they want though

[maiden narwhal]

his talent isn't

scroll up

[vague peak]

No, you can switch it off and ON, at any time.

[maiden narwhal]

he says he switched and switched right back

[rustic vale]

wdym his talet

[maiden narwhal]

as in he can't handle it

without god mode

[upper wolf]

bruh

[vague peak]

…

[rustic vale]

If they don’t want to have it off then why would a new save file change that

that doesn’t make any sense

[upper wolf]

we all suck when learning the game, it's only normal

[brisk trail]

...............

[maiden narwhal]

because they learn from the start?

[rustic vale]

Anything after fresh file is essentially the same

[upper wolf]

the only question is wether you have more fun with or without god mode

[stiff obsidian]

Making a new file just makes it harder

[vague peak]

I was only gonna use GM for the first ten clears.

[maiden narwhal]

how does making a new file make it harder?

made it easier for me

[rustic vale]

Because you lose all the mirror upgrades you’ll be playing with regardless

And aspects

that you’d end up using anyways

[vague peak]

Oh idk… resetting the progress you had… aspects, mirror, etc.

[maiden narwhal]

when i came back to the game my current file with everything unlocked felt really awkward

when i started a new file it was a lot easier to build up to my old skill level

[rustic vale]

well like yeah but they aren’t coming back to the game

[vague peak]

Alright, so that’s you.

[rustic vale]

And I don’t think it’s parrallel

[maiden narwhal]

well
i also never used god mode to begin with

[rustic vale]

It’s a stark difference from recent muscle memory to retraining old muscle memory

[maiden narwhal]

sure it is

but whatever

[upper wolf]

source?

[vague peak]

Ok, I only used it initially because I was struggling hard…

[rustic vale]

And that’s fine

[maiden narwhal]

he started with god mode on.. does he have any muscle memory?

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to start a new save to get better habits

[rustic vale]

Yeah they will, that’s what repeating your same actions and ways of playing will do to you

Which is really easy to fall into regardless of how much hp you have on

[maiden narwhal]

well then he's training the wrong kind

[rustic vale]

he has been

And now they’re trying to get better no?

[vague peak]

Yeah, and I have been.

[maiden narwhal]

no
said he switched right back to god mode

which is when i suggested a new file

i think it'd be easier to learn to play properly from a new file

but if you don't, ok

[vague peak]

Alright, LET ME CLEAR UP SOMETHING… I turned back on to see if it kept the percentage of 80.

[vague peak]

Alright, yeah… but I don’t feel like doing everything again, at least right now.

[upper wolf]

that's ok

[rustic vale]

Yeah and if you’re going to keep it off, just keep your save file

[vague peak]

Yeah, that’s what I have been doing.

[upper wolf]

go your own pace, ain't no tight deadline on this

[maiden narwhal]

ok

i'm just going by what you said

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1206215734137724929/IMG_20240211_180007.jpg?ex=65db32f1&is=65c8bdf1&hm=36aa908ba8e589413bf09f94e7a9807b82aef4f748909923f38f44ac38593384&

[rustic vale]

And they’ve now

[maiden narwhal]

which is fine

[rustic vale]

re-defined that

So I do believe we’re good

[maiden narwhal]

and?

i don't think we ever weren't

[rustic vale]

in terms of like

All on the same page

[vague peak]

Yeah, GM didn’t usually make me sloppy… but it also NEVER enticed me to be damaged a whole bunch either.

[maiden narwhal]

huh?

[vague peak]

As much as I like dash-striking and battering foes, I would still keep my distance from the enemies and bosses like such. I’m saying that GM does make it so that damage is less devastating, but just because it was on I was still practicing…

[steep condor]

after i did 32 i went to heat 40 the next run and won immediately. since then i've been losing... and losing... losing for, like a week of playing

[rustic vale]

Hmm

It put you a way more forgiving environment

I would say most of the time it teaches players that being overly sloppy is fine

[maiden narwhal]

how can you say god mode never made you sloppy if you've never played without god mode, and can't play without god mode?

[rustic vale]

k so like

[vague peak]

I… ok, that wasn’t what I meant, I just adjusted better. Look, long story short, I had it on because I wanted to get to more of the storyline…

[rustic vale]

we can handle things a bit more gently then that

[vague peak]

FYI, I have God Mode toggled on for faster story progression… that’s really it.

[stiff obsidian]

does it have any godmode exclusive dialogue?

[vague peak]

IIRC: No… why?

[stiff obsidian]

if it did i might turn it on just to get it

i wish there was a mod that allows you to track what dialogue you havent gotten yet

i always think i have all dialogue and i randomly get new ones each time

[vague peak]

Yeah… that would be nice.

[stiff obsidian]

theres 1 dialogue no one will ever get on their first/main save

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779496929394708/1206218979887022110/image.png?ex=65db35f7&is=65c8c0f7&hm=b158bc3223ec436c68fa2eaa7a2030a30b20bbde4ceed8f5a96190182fbb9889& about yesterday's discussion: Double Nova propaganda

it unironically carried the damage

[vague peak]

What’s that?

[stiff obsidian]

the first clear dialogue

[lavish sorrel]

the run 1 reaching dad dialogue

[vague peak]

I got that dialogue, why?

[stiff obsidian]

no you didnt

like

reaching hades on your first run ever

[vague peak]

Well, no… not that…

[vague peak]

Yeah, how the hell would I do that? Oh wait…

[lavish sorrel]

that's what they're saying

[stiff obsidian]

thats what im saying lol

[lavish sorrel]

no-one will get that on their first ever playthrough

[vague peak]

Well, yeah… I think that was intentional.

Unless… fresh file?

[upper wolf]

I mean, yeah ?

what's the alternative ?

[stiff obsidian]

i like to imagine theres a god gamer out there who beat the game on their first try

[lavish sorrel]

the very minimum I could imagine is run 2 shield strats

but that's only thanks to shield being a shield

[vague peak]

Acting like it IS first play-through, even though it isn’t.

[upper wolf]

oh, yeah

[vague peak]

Seems stupid tho, considering there’s the SECURITY LOG

Which breaks the whole: illusion.

[rustic vale]

wdym

Just literally boot up a fresh file and pretend

[stiff obsidian]

you also literally will not get the dialogue

[lavish sorrel]

thanathink

[void vigil]

Jumping in belatedly to say that there’s nothing wrong with using god mode, turning it on/off mid run or what have you, there’s no wrong way to play the game

[lavish sorrel]

<- former godmode player

[void vigil]

it’s not necessary to beat the game in the “normal” mode, and the experience overall is the same. Just like someone might skip all the dialogue or start with a maxed save, it’s fine to “skip” the hardest parts of the gameplay

[dark hazel]

how many hrs long is this game

[stiff obsidian]

id say 3k

[void vigil]

100% can take a long time

I’d say credits and such you can do in like 50 or less hours, but it really depends on how you progress in the game

[upper wolf]

I took 100h for my first save

probably around 60h for my second, in hell mode ? I didn't record the time

[lavish sorrel]

define "length of the game"

[upper wolf]

And probably have been playing 100 hours since then

[void vigil]

If you played other games in the same vein and you got good at them you will probably find it easier to get through hades

[lavish sorrel]

and if you want to do absolutely everything the game has in store, that can take thousands of hours

[void vigil]

I’ve been playing on the same save since the very start of early access

[lavish sorrel]

(and still hasn't taken the time to grind FF for months on end smhsmh )

[west relic]

Is there any point to changing saves?

I guess different builds?

[upper wolf]

hell mode, starting over again, trying to get a run clear as early as possible

[lavish sorrel]

and savestating if you're into that

[west relic]

Ah ok

[mystic lark]

Wow, if you forget to reset livesplit and leave it open for the night, it will break. So if you had new best times, they won't be saved.

https://i.imgur.com/7bKxf6u.png

[lavish sorrel]

tbh don't leave livesplit on overnight

[mystic lark]

I just minimized it and forgot that it was open :D

[lavish sorrel]

don't use livesplit and have verifiers retime everything manually, especially fun with super long categories

[rustic vale]

325k darkness for resource director alone is a herculean task

[vernal willow]

does anybody know how dashing through projectiles works, cuz like sometimes i dash through them just fine but other times the game goes "nuh uh" and hits me anyways

[mint coral]

Is either you are miss timing the dash or you did any other action that cancels the iframes

[rustic vale]

If you dash strike you lose all your iframes

Otherwise you may have just mistimed the dash

[void vigil]

I honestly don’t count it in 100%

[rustic vale]

idk man as

[stiff obsidian]

Hitting a projectile with ur attack deletes it

[vernal willow]

deflect dash is honestly an S teir boon

[void vigil]

fwiw I completed all the ranks lol it’s just a timesink and can be a pretty unfun and repetitive grind. It’s like how 64 is not counted. I consider base 100% to be all achievements

[stiff obsidian]

now

who said 64 isnt counted

[rustic vale]

fyi 00:00.00 best time is also part of 100%

[void vigil]

I got all of the codex and all of the prophecies and stuff but not everyone has time for that

[void vigil]

Meeee

[steep condor]

switch has no achievements. i will never 100%

[rustic vale]

100% as in get everything possibly in game

[steep condor]

i was joking

[rustic vale]

Btw getting all unique dialogue lines

Is also part of 100%

all 21000 of them

[steep condor]

guess switch players have to 64 heat all aspects for 100%

[void vigil]

No 🎵 flame eater fishing voiceline, no 100% smh

[stiff obsidian]

how do i track them

[rustic vale]

Pen and paper

[steep condor]

write it down, duh

[rustic vale]

[stiff obsidian]

😭

[rustic vale]

Or keep a mental tally

[void vigil]

I got 2 new ones recently for not having the timer on

From hermes

Ofc there’s every god lines for arriving injured

[rustic vale]

I got new ones recently for running 40 heat (I’ve started dying to things I’ve never died to before)

[steep condor]

i love these

[rustic vale]

tbh there are gods where

I never got their duo line

[steep condor]

today i got one from dio all disgusted, "you're bleeding all over, get it together"

[rustic vale]

Like lightning phalanx? I’m 600 runs in and just got Zeus gate crashing athena

I’ve got lightning phalanx multiple times before too

[void vigil]

Anyway my point is 100% will mean something else to everyone, it was important to me to get all the ranks but some people stop at 32

Heat, that is

[steep condor]

i think realistically for most players story completion is enough

[rustic vale]

They aren’t real 100%’ers if they don’t follow exactly my view point

[rustic vale]

Yeah but I think most of them would agree that isn’t Hades 100% complete

[steep condor]

for some reason not everyone feels like sinking a thousand hours into this game smh

[steep condor]

yeah, true

[rustic vale]

but you don’t need to 100% complete every game you have

Or any game for that matter

[stone rune]

doesn’t the game have a built in 100%

[void vigil]

I just think there’s a point where it could feasibly be called “100%” without putting in insane hours

[stone rune]

yeah getting all the achievements

[steep condor]

just the steam achievements, no?

switch version doesn't have those so i wouldn't consider it built in

[stone rune]

aren’t they also on playstation

[steep condor]

idk

[stone rune]

but i think that would be the reasonable 100% point

[steep condor]

does the epic game store have achievements?

[stone rune]

does anyone use that anymoee

[steep condor]

yeah, probably

[void vigil]

Yes it does

Everywhere but switch

[steep condor]

[void vigil]

But if you get it on pc and do the cross save thing, you’ll get achievements retroactively

[stone rune]

even bad call?

[void vigil]

Nah

[stone rune]

or like the than achievement

[void vigil]

only the ones you can’t get again, if that makes sense

[stone rune]

yeah

[void vigil]

When 1.0 came out I got so many achievements at once

And I did the rest over the next couple of days

Technically, I got 100% in 3 days

[quasi dust]

Wait really?

[stone rune]

tfw game has not received any updates during my tenure

[stiff obsidian]

same i got freezing vortex lines a day ago

[void vigil]

Bad call was last iirc, because it is so rng heavy

[granite ether]

Only the achievements you cannot do again iirc

[stone rune]

bad call was also my last achievement

[void vigil]

yep

[stiff obsidian]

same i got it 1k+ hours in lmao

[stone rune]

it went

[void vigil]

I tried very hard lol it consisted of getting hit a lot in elysium trial

[stone rune]

infernal arms well stocked than achievement thanks but no thanks bad call

[void vigil]

Tfw I already had all keepsakes maxed in EA

[stone rune]

you can see the exact moment i get it #h1-discussion message

[void vigil]

When you want to level distant memory, just pretend it’s a challenge no keepsake run

[stone rune]

live black shawl reaction

[void vigil]

Black shawl got reworked a few times in ea, its first iteration let you walk through enemies

[stone rune]

that sounds

very useless

[stiff obsidian]

what

[void vigil]

It did which is why it was reworked like twice or thrice

[stone rune]

what if they made it be a keepsake where you quadrupled your damage and made ur attacks come out 90x faster

and u have 200 dashs

[void vigil]

It would be called nexus mods

[stiff obsidian]

lmfao

[upper wolf]

Nyxus mods

[steep condor]

random question but in the final boss fight, did your god gauge use to power down during the phase change?

[stiff obsidian]

it shuldnt

[steep condor]

it doesn't now, but i thought it did when i first played the game a year or so ago

but idk if i'm just misremembering

[upper wolf]

It decreases if you use it 🤷‍♂️

[steep condor]

lol yeah that's not what i meant

[stone rune]

cant use it during phase into p2

[steep condor]

would be a waste to use it there anyway... nevermind, checked the patch notes after v 1.0 and didn't find it mentioned so i probably just made that up

i like how they used to add little greek mythology quotes to ths patch notes

[stone rune]

its actually insanely annoying

you cant use dad call during that gap

[void vigil]

Quote of the patch my beloved

[formal citrus]

Does ice wine cancel out the trippy Beo pom bug?

[mint lantern]

i need help, should i get snow explosion or demeter help (epic)?

[mint coral]

I think is mirage bug that ice wine fixes

[stiff obsidian]

what are the rules on copypastas

[mint coral]

What weapon/aspect/build

Also what's the 3rd boon

[mint lantern]

arrow, im using the atenas shot, ares condenation and another atenas thing in the second slot

idk what is aspect

srry

[mint coral]

Condenation?

Is that the revenge boon

[mint coral]

Unlock all weapons and you'll see

[mint lantern]

ye, i guess so

[mint coral]

But yeah what's the 3rd boon that dem is offering

[mint lantern]

oooh i remembered now

i dont think im using any aspects

[mint coral]

Call is like ok ig but nothing amazing

[mint coral]

You can press B on keyboard/- on controller to see your boon lists

If you have an aspect its icon should appear

[mint lantern]

which slot?

sorry for that, i didnt played hades for something like 10 months

and my english is poor asf

[mint coral]

Dw dw, if it's near the start it should be at the most left I think

But they also look very different to boons so prob no aspect

Anyways, neither snow burst or her call are that good (nor does she have many good boons tbh)

Do any of the options have the scroll thing?

Might as well take one of them to progress on the prophecy

[mint lantern]

both of them will help in the prophecy ig

my other save that i played much more time, was in the xbox

im playin on steam rn

[formal citrus]

might want to use the #h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid spoilers

[mint coral]

Snow burst sounds fun for like killing freeze ig

[formal citrus]

welcome here of course

[mint coral]

Also what's your main language?

[mint lantern]

ty for that, but im not that new

[mint lantern]

portuguese

[mint coral]

Ah- was worth a shot

[mint lantern]

ill get it

oooh

i already got demeter call in this save

ill get the snow burst for the prophecy

why i didnt saw that?

anyways

tysm for that help

i have a good chance to win that

is my 7th run

[formal citrus]

7th run is still kinda new haha, but again, main advantage of the other channel is avoiding spoilers only. But also, beating the game on the 7th run is very impressive.

To unlock aspects, you have to unlock all the weapons which requires unlocking therail which requires unlocking the fist which requires unlocking the first 4 weapons?

[west relic]

shoot ive done 15 runs and i know im new lol

idk what my build even is going towards tbh

[dry mauve]

if you're new just pick whatever shows up

you dont really have to consider builds too much until you really start pushing the games limits

like 32+ heat or speedrunning

early on its good to just experiment and learn the game

and things are easy enough that you can pick random stuff and still have a shot at winning if you play well

[west relic]

okay cool

thx

[lavish sorrel]

even at 32, on some aspects (shields) you can do random stuff and still win
though good builds definitely make that task far easier

[drowsy linden]

on any aspect you can win

up to 58 heat

[stone rune]

57

well

55

[drowsy linden]

whats stopping you?

is it savior

[latent moon]

DC and/or ri

[drowsy linden]

dc is free, so is ri

savior numbskull spam might not be on aspects like arthur, but you can just have rng

[latent moon]

Ah yes DC is free on Arthur

Also to an extent like td lmao

[drowsy linden]

it is if you dont have time limits

anything can do heat 58, and probably 59

and then theres crit rng

[stiff obsidian]

theoretically all aspects can do max

[stiff obsidian]

they are actually easy

they bodyslam into each other

[lavish sorrel]

"just get purple RD 141234 ichors"

[proper tusk]

ok spear is my last weapon to finish 32 heat with and i have no idea which aspect to use

achilles is faster but i feel like hades might be safer? idk

[mint coral]

Achilles risk mostly comes from flurry jab

[proper tusk]

spear is definitely my worst weapon so i’m not looking forward to this lol

[mint coral]

You could just cast build it

[proper tusk]

hmm ok

[mint coral]

And no joke gy is also super safe

Just get charged skewer

[proper tusk]

so just don’t worry about rushing in with special and sit back and cast?

[mint coral]

Kinda yeah, flurry jab is still nice for dmg pre whatever duo you want for your cast

[proper tusk]

alright i’ll try that

[mint coral]

#h1-victory-boasting message
Regarding legacy

Even if your build wants like a specific duo

Odds aren't bad with pride

Yarn/nectar/chaos favor are all +10% to duos

Hermes has a base 3% for epics

[true oak]

all chaos is 10%?

didnt' know that

[mint coral]

So if you want to see stuff like purple dashes or rd you are either going pride or one of the items mentioned

[true oak]

when would you say you would use legacy then

[mint coral]

Yeah is a flat boost to duos

It's rarity only affects the rare part

[mint coral]

For meta builds I can only think of beo

[carmine beacon]

What are your opinions on deep pocket Vs golden touch?

Golden touch give more money. But deep pocket allows you to add one god to your pool really early on.

I believe deep pocket is good when you want to follow a really specific build.

So when I want a real specific set of god I go deep pocket and if not I go golden touch.

[mint coral]

Deep pockets always pretty much

[carmine beacon]

What do you mean by that?

[mint coral]

No point in saving gold

[true oak]

gotta spend your money at shop

[mint coral]

Any of these items boost your chances at seeing duos/legendaries by +10%

(god keepsakes also do for their respective god but is not worth leeping for more than 1 biome)

[carmine beacon]

Even if it makes more money? And they you can buy Titan blood in Styx.😋

Or maybe you already got all the titan blood you wanted?

[mint coral]

For blood I just trade ambrosia

If you use gold you get stronger builds > can climb up heat easily > more bounties

[carmine beacon]

Wait wtf? Getting nectar in a run increase by 10% de chance of legendary?

Did I understood that right?

[mint coral]

Oh that's my fault

Refreshing nectar

From eurydice

[carmine beacon]

Oh

[true oak]

@mint coral so would you run achilles legacy right?

[mint coral]

(also if you sell useless duos, they are 400+ gold)

[mint coral]

Maybe for meme beams

Blades runs pride

[true oak]

there always seem to be multiple duos/ legendaries i need

plus epic isn't as impactful i find compared to others?

[mint coral]

For what in specific

[true oak]

uh i run splash dash start

[mint coral]

Blades is pretty much for chaos cast dmg/hermes rd

The reason why I think legacy is fine for beams is that they kinda really suck

Blades w/o duo too but is still a world of difference

And granted, I would reset if I'm at like ely boss without it~~

[true oak]

sea storm, mirage, blades, beam, ice wine, arte leg

[mint coral]

And beams wants +1 cast a lot

Which aren't affected by rarity

(also niche bad news if it happens)

[latent moon]

Legacy on hunting blades, lightning phalanx, and meme beams are fine imo

[true oak]

you mean greater recall?

[mint coral]

Nah, beams with stygian

[latent moon]

Outside of Achilles, mirage shot on beo and kinda ME is fine with legacy, everything else should be pride

[true oak]

oh sorry not reading

[true oak]

resetting for epic doom?

[mint coral]

Depending on the goal rare doom is fine

[latent moon]

If you wanna do that with base rates then that's on you lol

Or you could use rare

[mint coral]

Tbh just remember to take what I say with a healthy dose of speedrunning in mind

So I don't consider legacy that much

If you are trying to cook like 4+ duos/legends in one build feel free to do legacy

[latent moon]

Most aspects build towards a duo, but only a handful actually need it to be functional

[mint coral]

even if sometimes that still happens in pride but rng gotta rng

[mint lantern]

which skill should i get in the Dédalo hammer with sword?

[mint coral]

Double edge or bust

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/image.png?ex=65d67e54&is=65c40954&hm=a10c2529015d25ade204cefd10dcfa1285f0a979468205b5f970cd7f9a787653&

I swear shackle had a version with names but whatever

[torn phoenix]

For a beowulf speedrun would u choose chaos over eurydice?

[mint lantern]

thats much better, tysm

idk all the names in english

in the translate the name of some skills modify

[covert hare]

Beowulf because better chance for more damage

Just kidding I don’t speedrun

[torn phoenix]

Huh

Do you mean chaos

[covert hare]

Yes

But I’m too lazy to edit the message

[mint coral]

I think it depends what you have

No hermes/mirage I'd go for eury

The rarity boost is huge

[torn phoenix]

I had mirage in tartarus

I took the poms

[mint coral]

What level was your cast

[torn phoenix]

4 or 5

[mint coral]

Did you have Hermes?

(hyper sprint in specific)

[torn phoenix]

I got hyper sprint in elysium so no I didnt have it then

[mint coral]

I'd for chaos in that situation then I think
But eury is also not wrong? It has 3 charges so you could still get a shot at boosted rd

But my decision making is also kinda awful so don't fully trust

[torn phoenix]

Lmao

Thanks for the advice

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/IMG_3411.png?ex=65b02a73&is=659db573&hm=2beff4db046342150a62e0dd3edb9d62a76d594170fa70e95c2e18ee253a1380&

Then you might just work best off icons

but the names should be pretty close in meaning even if it isn’t 1:1

[rose roost]

I love the icons for cursed and shadow slash

[mint lantern]

i love you

this will help so much

[formal citrus]

Does crush shot on not hera not lodge against armor?

Oh wait I just was too scared to stand close enough to those baddies

[stone rune]

you probably wall bugged

[formal citrus]

Maybe

[vernal willow]

yeah the fact that you cant gift your loyal shade nectar and they dont have a dedicated codex entry is criminal

[formal citrus]

Demeter Theseus is mega annoying

When not playing dash around all the damn time mode cause you're on the clock

[nocturne kelp]

Haha

[formal citrus]

Eyy, hitless dad

[wicked sage]

zeus ticking me off, ive made many people talk about him and he still wont give me his unlocked heart
the other gods are problems too, they just dont wanna talk about him

[latent moon]

rng dialogue moment

[wicked sage]

https://tenor.com/view/robcamvideos-head-banging-embarrassed-head-desk-gif-25385652

[maiden narwhal]

wow i beat dad without finding merciful ending

@mint coral max f.o. fixed the timing issue i dodge [most] of the swings

also if you have ares call and any shield, you can turn yourself into a pretty cool catapult

[stiff obsidian]

catapults usually deal damage

[maiden narwhal]

it's not that bad

but really it's for repositioning without taking damage

launch yourself into the middle of the pack and go nuts

[wicked sage]

should i focus on demeter and hermes bond because zeus just keeps throwing middle fingers at me

[native pewter]

There's something interesting I just discovered that I never see getting talked about, but in Hades, occasionally, all your first boons from gods will be "big" boons followed by special dialogue

I've had over 500 runs but this is my 3rd time encountering it

Is there anyone with a lot of game knowledge I can ask about this

[stiff obsidian]

What do you mean by big boon

[rose roost]

wdym by "big" boons?

[tepid light]

i think it's that event where a god says something like "here's my best boons for you" and all the boons they offer you have increased rarity

[native pewter]

Yeah, that! Finally someone else has seen it

[tepid light]

I recall getting it a while back on Artemis

[native pewter]

Does it occasionally happen or is there is prerequisite

[tepid light]

Unfortunately, I've no idea

[native pewter]

Damn

You know I've asked on Reddit twice already and people who haven't seen it just tell me I'm inexperienced and it's actually so infuriating 😭

[stiff obsidian]

I've never heard of that

[rose roost]

only modders can answer the probability of an event occuring

[tepid light]

This definitely does happen, I explicitly remember this

[stiff obsidian]

You probably had a yarn or a nectar

[native pewter]

Yeah that's the issue, it's a rare thing that happens and because it's rare people will just gaslight me into thinking it never happens

I can prove it right now because it just happened

One sec

[tepid light]

Nope, this happened at the very start of the run on my first boon

For me at least

[native pewter]

Oh I can't send images here

Lemme pm yoy

You

[rose roost]

Upload it to Imgur and send link

embeds are allowed here

[native pewter]

Sorry I'm dumb how do I do that

Do I upload a video or something?

Onto imgur

[rose roost]

upload your image to Imgur and send the share link

[stiff obsidian]

Share it anywhere on discord then copy it's media link

[rose roost]

could also do that yea

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078128914146279456/1206550743809663016/Screenshot_2024-02-12-16-11-37-58_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=65dc6af1&is=65c9f5f1&hm=9edc8612fecdaeb4b7408109b52aa54a5eb1a7d10fca94ce5c21dd57fdfbdb86&

[native pewter]

Mk

Okay guys so

I have 2 things to say

1. It did not actually happen to be again, I do not know why only ares gave me a special boon this time

2. I can assure you it definitely happened before though

It happened right after I completed all my quests

So no it did not happen this time

But it has definitely happened before

[stiff obsidian]

What happeend before

Can you describe it

[native pewter]

And no, I did not have yarn or nectar, it was every first boon, where they'd congratulate me for something

Basically whenever I saw all the gods for the first time including chaos and hermes

They'd give me a special boon

Like the big boon

[stiff obsidian]

Special boon?

What boon

[native pewter]

And I could reroll and it'd be all rare

You know mini boss boons?

[stiff obsidian]

Yea

[native pewter]

Or 450 coin boons

Yeah, I got those

[stiff obsidian]

Duo boons

[native pewter]

It was right after I completed all my quests

No

Not duo boons

[stiff obsidian]

Legendary boon

Then

[native pewter]

Do you know what happens when you beat up a mini boss with a boon?

[stiff obsidian]

What

[native pewter]

The boon will be guaranteed to give rare+ boons

[stiff obsidian]

Yes

I still don't understand

What do they give you

What do you mean by special boon

[native pewter]

Sorry I died for a bit

They give you the boons with higher rarity

When you meet them the first time

Regardless of whether you fought a mini boss for them

It's something that only happens once so people think it never happens

But I swear on my life it happens

And I'm guessing it's linked to finished all your quests

[stiff obsidian]

But you said it happendd when you met them for the first time

[native pewter]

In that specific run

The run right after all your quests are complete

Damn I can't find my old photos

I took a bunch of photos of it before

[tepid light]

It's what I said earlier as well

When it happened for me on Artemis, she gave me a selection of all purple rarity boons

[native pewter]

It probably happened right after you finished all the quests

Bro this so annoying I bring it up on Reddit and all they say "here is the rarity guide" yeah I know do you think I played half a thousand games without having some understanding of how the game works

[tepid light]

It's surprising that this has not happened to more people

[steep condor]

i also noticed sometimes they have special dialog and give you all epic boons, thought it's just random though

[tepid light]

Oh I think that's exactly what we're talking about here

So it's just random, then?

[steep condor]

either that or i didn't notice the connection to any events

[tepid light]

I'd believe that it was just random

I don't think that time with Artemis was related to any story event

[native pewter]

Oh I think we might be talking about 2 separate things actually

Perhaps occasionally the gods will give you a higher rarity boon for fun

But in my scenario it was every first boon

First not meaning the first boon that run

But like later on when I met that god for the first time that run

I JUST experienced what you experienced, but with Ares, so I decided to bring it up again

[tepid light]

Every 'first boon' as in, first on the list of boons they offer you?

[native pewter]

First boon meaning like, if I meet Hermes for the first time that run he gives me a special boon after saying something (I forgot the dialogue but it's dialogue I had never seen before about his boon, I'm not talking about the special delivery one though)

[tepid light]

Huh, I think I getcha: the first time you met a given god in a run, they'd give you a better boon?

[native pewter]

Yep

And they'll say something like "here's a better boon"(very over simplified of course)

But it definitely directly translate to that

Guess I need to go ans play the game completely again to prove that though

See you in a month

[tepid light]

Lmao alright

Yeah that's not something I've experienced

[stiff obsidian]

They say that if there's a replace i think

[upper wolf]

How the hell can r/Hades be both so offended by any hint of anything but casual play yet be elitist

Or well

Have some elitism I guess.

It's unlikely to be the same people

Still, I can't believe there were people who told someone to "go back to Fortnite"

[mystic lark]

Pro tip: don't read comments on r/Hades :D

[formal citrus]

Too late, I'm in an interesting discussion to learn why Chiron is the best bow aspect and possibly the best aspect.

[upper wolf]

Meh, I don't mind noobs (nothing pejorative) thinking Chiron is great. I made the same error, and it's normal :it's easy to pick up and safe

It does get grating when they act like you insulted their family when you correct them

Well, "correct"

[mystic lark]

I mean it is the best bow aspect if you are not trying to speedrun >_>

[upper wolf]

Or heat

[mystic lark]

I beat my first 32 with it

[upper wolf]

Or most challenge run I feel like

[upper wolf]

Oh yeah, it can definitely do 32. All aspects go to 50 min

[formal citrus]

Chiron having a higher heat record than Hera and the same as zag bugs me

Can all aspects reliably 50?

Say, 10 in a row on average?

[upper wolf]

No idea tbh

[formal citrus]

Chiron having a higher heat record than Hera weirds me out

[void vigil]

wow really

[formal citrus]

I'm fine with people saying it's best if they say their metric is easiest to pick up.

[rustic vale]

Is very wierd

[formal citrus]

According to the modded speed records from earlier, hera is at 57, zag and chiron are at 58, and rama is at 62 (though didn't someone say there was a modded 64 rama?). Ig getting to choose first hammer helps, but idk what that choice would even be.

[lavish sorrel]

63 modded rama, and 62 unmodded iirc

achived by PlayAd just a few days ago

64 rama is not a thing yet, but definitely within reach given that this 63 rama was missing lasting consequences 4 of all things

and 57 hera is the modded wr

unmodded hera wr is 56, with the wr-holder every so often doing 57 attempts too

[formal citrus]

was it with stubborn or death? That is mega wacky

[lavish sorrel]

?

mirror? at 63 heat?

they don't have that there

[formal citrus]

oh right

I am very smart

[void vigil]

thats so cool that it may be doable with anything other than zeus shield

[lavish sorrel]

64 heat could be done with any aspect. in theory.

if you get 15 ichors + epic RD + a good crowd control solution somehow, it no longer matters how much HP enemies have or how many of them there are

in practice, this is just not going to happen

[formal citrus]

So what you're saying is any aspect can clear 64 heat first 2 biomes?

Or at least tart ig

[lavish sorrel]

pretty sure, yeah. would require some insane rooms and a good player too, but probably theoretically possible

[formal citrus]

What does arthur crowd control look like? Crush shot snurst?

[lavish sorrel]

splash dash tbh

[formal citrus]

or just don't get crowd rooms

[stiff obsidian]

divine dash i think

and double edge

[lavish sorrel]

oh huh

[stiff obsidian]

idk

[formal citrus]

Are the persons pushing hera heat playing it as a castpect?

[stiff obsidian]

i dont think anyone is pushing hera heat

lol

[covert hare]

Gilgamesh

[lavish sorrel]

the modded wr is soup, and for unmodded the current wr-holder is playing casts, yep

the madman

[formal citrus]

sounds fun

[lavish sorrel]

you'd be mistaken, nitro is most certainly still doing occasional unm 57 attempts

[lavish sorrel]

would require some insane rooms and a good player too

[rustic vale]

Idk man arthur

[formal citrus]

So I did 48 heat on Hera, so RI 2, remove choices 2, no bubble is 58, right? Like, that sounds hard, but with a few hundred or thousand more hours and it doesn't sound impossible.

DC 1 might be better idk

Is approval process worse for Hera than other aspects?

[lavish sorrel]

DC is miserable yeah

playable but sad

[formal citrus]

DC 1 taking the arrow felt okayish

[lavish sorrel]

there's a world where arthur just #getstheroomsandboons

[formal citrus]

DC 2 feels like using special dio or zeus might be feasible for crowds

but probably not worth compared to AP and RI

[lavish sorrel]

I'll say this again: it's never going to happen but probably in theory possible

[void vigil]

i got the arthur rooms and boons... on 20 heat

[lavish sorrel]

team #justgeteverything would have a real good day if this happened

[formal citrus]

Are any of the WRs on switch?

slash console ig

[stiff obsidian]

lol

[formal citrus]

Seems annoying to get the mods on them

[void vigil]

arthur 64 heat #FundIt

[lavish sorrel]

I wouldn't wish the grind for that upon even my worst enemy

[void vigil]

but what if its modded

to have one enemy per room

[lavish sorrel]

OneMustImagineArthurHappy

[void vigil]

fr

its the only sword i can play but i dont super optimize

[formal citrus]

Arthur is the only aspect I haven't 32'd lol

[lavish sorrel]

the problem with doing this in runcontrol or so is that benefits package cannot be set in the current version of it

[void vigil]

fists are the only weapon i did 32 with and i cheated just a little bit (rewinded the save to retry final boss)

totally legit otherwise 😎

[rustic vale]

[formal citrus]

I "microseed" sometimes which ig makes those runs un-legit

but that's probably less of a benefit than modded

[lavish sorrel]

I assume saving and quitting after like 3 rooms

[formal citrus]

after the first room

the stuff that can't be messed with by breaking columns

or whatever

[lavish sorrel]

yeah, that probably changes less than using mods

[formal citrus]

There were some times where I reset to try to get an extra cast from 2nd chamber chaos when doing meme beams

which for that build is probably better than mods

But mostly, I like checking out what's going on with the first room to decide what kind of run I do. Forces some variety. Starting a hell mode file, I forgot how much more forced variety you have early on.

[upper wolf]

Angelic getting the 64 heat Arthur run tomorrow then

[void vigil]

imagine the little sword is arthur

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/936563423834148975.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[upper wolf]

You have a legacy to uphold !

[stiff obsidian]

saved this gif

[maiden narwhal]

what's your favourite god call? and why?

[stiff obsidian]

dio because damage

[stone rune]

zeus

[upper wolf]

Zeus because damage

[stone rune]

because more damage

[mystic lark]

Zeus because smoldering air goes brrrrrrrrrrrr

[upper wolf]

That too

But also Artemis for the "oh hey, remember me ?"

[stiff obsidian]

❎ ❌ 🚫

[upper wolf]

Artemis call is for moral support

[stiff obsidian]

who is zeus

[upper wolf]

Poseidon brother

[stiff obsidian]

havent heard

of

[upper wolf]

He's Hades but with a magnificent mane

And not a shred of decency or something, idr his diss

[maiden narwhal]

i like aphrodite because she doesn't alter your form, so you get to keep dealing damage while essentially being.. if not invulnerable.. the next best thing.

if you time it right then the charmed mob aggros the others, and you get to dance around hitting stuff

[upper wolf]

Athena at home

[mint coral]

Pos call is my fav cuz rip current is hilarious

[maiden narwhal]

compliments him too tho

he's like "if you think i have a temper, you haven't seen anything"

[maiden narwhal]

especially when it pulls them around stuff

[void vigil]

dionysus but i like aphrodite's for the big damage at full call. small call is useless tho

[maiden narwhal]

also hitting pos call when bull charges at you is awesome

[void vigil]

just like in transistor... charm remains mid 😔

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/896859166453428264/2021101017375900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg?width=1202&height=676

I'll always pkug this run

Aspect of Smair

[mint coral]

Charm was kinda fun there... In the one trial that forces it to you

[formal citrus]

Athena because stuffs scary out there

[maiden narwhal]

useless how?
i hit charm and i have merciless ending

they're all dead before the effect wears off

[upper wolf]

Aphrodite is less damage than Dio or Zeus or Artemis if you really want the voice line

[upper wolf]

That's because of ME not because of charm lol

[void vigil]

it only affects one enemy and they dont really get to attack before the charm ends

but im a strong believer in doing whatever you think is fun in this game so who cares

[stone rune]

i thihnk fun is getting sub6 zeus and 40 heat and achiles unmoded

can it happen yet

[void vigil]

at least skelly is way better for drawing aggro than your jaunt double in transistor

[maiden narwhal]

but it's not about the damage the call deals
it's about the damage you're dealing while they're not attacking you

[stone rune]

ehhhh

you can kinda just still hit them

[rancid axle]

Put on EM4 ftft, forgot about the third phase, got absolutely annihilated lmao

[maiden narwhal]

there's a third phase??

[upper wolf]

It's like saying "using a banana peel is awesome, last time someone tripped on it I really beat them down with my death star laser"

[maiden narwhal]

wew

[maiden narwhal]

yes but i wouldn't be able to deal that damage unencumbered if they weren't charmed lol

[stone rune]

wait till this guy hears about the 4th phase

[rancid axle]

Itty bitty spoilers but yeah there’s a third phase on EM4

[rancid axle]

He just whips out the belt

[quasi dust]

i was not aware of this. i'm scared now

[mint coral]

The third phase is the least of your worries tbh

[stone rune]

its not that bad

if you use hestia with a decent build i guarantee first try clear on em4

money back guarantee

[maiden narwhal]

no, it's like saying "using a banana on this person who can kill me with two hits is awesome, because now they're down and i can hit them 6 times with my death laser without them hitting me once"

not sure why you're having such a hard time understanding this

but whatever

[mint coral]

Cuz ME shouldn't have that issue

[quasi dust]

honestly in my experience 2nd phase is easier than 1st

[stone rune]

its just not a practically relevant thing