h1-discussion

[stone rune]

zeus atk is 0.15

[rustic vale]

Exit wound son trippy

[rustic vale]

That’s not lightning bolt

That’s chain lightning

[stone rune]

o

[rustic vale]

It’s different

[stone rune]

right

[rustic vale]

I’m having a stroke give me a sec

[stone rune]

i dont think veng has that though

[covert hare]

when you use a God keepsake, the boon that has 20% to be better is still available even if you ignored it earlier by choosing another room?

[drowsy linden]

what they mean is purge exit wounds or trippy

[stone rune]

like doesnt heavens vengeance tick per each

[mint coral]

heaven's vengeance is hilarious

[rustic vale]

Yes

[stone rune]

on the stones

in styx

[covert hare]

cool

[rustic vale]

Idk vengeance might escape the cooldown

[warm leaf]

how does one go about doing a no boon run? is it pure rng?

[rustic vale]

I have a feeling from facetanking dad beams that it may

[stone rune]

doing a run where you just get no boons ever is basically impossible

[rustic vale]

No you use every rng tool available

[slim leaf]

Guys, is there a limit on how many Duo boobs you can get?

[stone rune]

duo boobs

[rustic vale]

There is the cap of just literally how many boons you can get in a run while exchanging cores

[stone rune]

but for boonless the requirements for the challenge on the leaderboard are to never benefit from a boon

[rustic vale]

but otherwise no

[warm leaf]

but isnt there special dialogue when u get to hades with no boons?

[rustic vale]

There is

[stone rune]

you get that by having no purgeable boons

so you could sell your boons after you get them

[slim leaf]

Oh my god the "b" is on the side of the "n"

Sorry

[mint coral]

the typo is always funny when it happens

[warm leaf]

im dumb i didnt even think about selling boons lmao

[rustic vale]

It’s acceptable as a mispelling their right next to each other

[slim leaf]

Oh ok

[rustic vale]

There is not hard cap in the code

[stone rune]

its just laurel ratio and bag requirements

[rustic vale]

It’s just you can only have so many chambers and get so many boons total

Speaking off

[slim leaf]

Ok

[rustic vale]

I’ve been running darkness farming runs bc yk

And I’ve been hitting way more duos/run then I ever expected I would get on average

It’s a tad stupid since it’s darkness farming and not actual speed or heat runs

[mint coral]

decided to read thegame keepsake ranking

acorn surprisingly at #2

[slim leaf]

I asked bc in a run I got 3 duo boons

[rustic vale]

It’s game journalists, they need all the defence they can

[mystic lark]

Badges just take forever

[drowsy linden]

is #1 like bracer or smth

[mint coral]

tooth

[slim leaf]

Is that the one that ignores 5 damage on bosses?

[rustic vale]

I have so many screenshots with 4 and 5 itms unreao

[rustic vale]

Yeah

It’s the best defensive keepsake

[slim leaf]

Oh

[rustic vale]

So like 3 isn’t crazy out there

Btw that’s with pride on not legacy

[mint coral]

also poseidon's is at #13 bc "it lets you get another chance at ocean's bounty"

[slim leaf]

Didn't know that's called a acorn

[rustic vale]

I keep photos ready to whip out since they’re all god’s legacy slander

[slim leaf]

The name is green acorn?

[drowsy linden]

evergreen

[stone rune]

evergreen acorn

[slim leaf]

Oh

[rustic vale]

Easier to just say acorn though

[slim leaf]

Yup

[rustic vale]

Ik I have like 150k darkness worth still to go

[slim leaf]

Need to put my game in english tho

[rustic vale]

35/50

[slim leaf]

I should know the names if I want to talk here

Lol

[rustic vale]

True

Walking another player through 1 on 1, dealing with a language barrier is a tiny speedbump

[slim leaf]

At least I know the God's names in English

That's easy

[rustic vale]

What’s your first language?

[drowsy linden]

you should be able to guess from bio

[slim leaf]

Portuguese

[rustic vale]

I don’t usually check bios unless I accidentally click on a name

[mystic lark]

Yeah. It also helps you to learn the language. I started with using english in games, then reading manga in english, then using reddit as my only social media, and finally watching youtube in english... Now I only use russian when talking with friends, family, and at work. But since I dont talk in english match, my writing is far from good, and speaking is way worse :D

[echo scaffold]

I never doubted your English lol

[slim leaf]

That's good, im watching videos on YouTube in english too

[echo scaffold]

Thought you were native speanet

[rustic vale]

Your english is absolutely fine

[echo scaffold]

Speaker*

[rustic vale]

Native typer*

[slim leaf]

Where are you from guys?

[rustic vale]

🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[echo scaffold]

England

[slim leaf]

Cool

[rustic vale]

Oh my it’s late for you then isn’t it

[echo scaffold]

Weather sux

[rustic vale]

5am?

[drowsy linden]

🇨🇳

[echo scaffold]

Its Friday

It's fine

[mystic lark]

Wow, I really thought it was showing a lot

I'm from Israel, it's 4 am here :D

[rustic vale]

Oh nevermind it’s 2:

[echo scaffold]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Isn’t it actually saturday for you

[echo scaffold]

I didnt notice

[slim leaf]

Here is 23pm

[stone rune]

VEGAS 🎰 🎰 🎰 🎰 🎰

[mystic lark]

Irony is - I moved from one country where people do not speak english, to another where even less people speak english :D

[rustic vale]

Makes sense tbh

[echo scaffold]

You seem insane enough to live there

[slim leaf]

Didn't you say you use Russian to speak at work family and friends?

[rustic vale]

When you boil it down Hades is just no-stakes gambling

[echo scaffold]

Time is stakes

[mystic lark]

Yup, I lived in russia most of my life, only moved to israel last year

[stone rune]

the stakes are that because i wasted several hours of my life playing unmodded this week i now have an essay and a calc 3 and physics assignment to do before the end of the day

[mystic lark]

So I do not speak hebrew

[rustic vale]

You got this

[slim leaf]

Ooooh understood

[rustic vale]

I believe one of our best Hades speedrunners can speedrun their homework just as well

[echo scaffold]

Bleh, thank God I only have a chemistry test next week and that's it

[stone rune]

we had to workshop the essay in class this week but i didnt know about it beforeahnx

[slim leaf]

Speedrunning homework

[stone rune]

so my rough draft was written during the 15 minutes the teacher was having us loko at the exemplar

[echo scaffold]

Essay writing is so boring, you have no freedom over what you write

[rustic vale]

Idk what you mean

[stone rune]

if u say so

[echo scaffold]

Usually you have to write based off a prompt

[latent moon]

My brother in Christ get off discord and do your hw lmao

[rustic vale]

…and you have freedom within the prompt.

[stone rune]

im doing it

[echo scaffold]

A little

[rustic vale]

I dunno

[mystic lark]

Thank the gods I only have to work, and when there are no urgent deadlines I can just spend half a day modifying one mod and another few hours debugging its compatibility with another :D

[rustic vale]

It’d have to be a super restrictive prompt to not give you freedom

[echo scaffold]

You're forced to write about a certain topic

[rustic vale]

yeah but are you forced into what evidence you use, or how you decide to spin your arguement?

A prompt is a basis, but the contents of my essay are a tango between me and the rubric

[echo scaffold]

Depends on the prompt, sometimes they give us specific articles where we have to pull evidence from. This is usually for writing tests tho.

When we're allowed to choose the evidence then it's fun

[slim leaf]

I starded to make Hades' gods characters sheets on dnd

Im doing artemis rn

[rustic vale]

That just sounds painful

Ngl

[slim leaf]

nah i like it

[rustic vale]

Actually depends which edition

[slim leaf]

5e

[rustic vale]

Ok my statement is unchanged

it’s an interesting idea it’s just like

You’re going to feel missing out if you want them to feel like god(dess)s in terms of strength

Or at least for a few gods anyways

[mystic lark]

I remember writing an essay for literature finals. With a specific format, on a specific topic like “fathers and children”, and only using examples from Russian classics that I never read. I even managed to get a good score.

[slim leaf]

im probably going to homebrew the whole thing and make them lvl 30 tho

[rustic vale]

fair enough

[stone rune]

in famous novel The Brothers Karamazov, Mario and Luigi Karamazov are forced by an evil monster to go through a platforming gauntlet in order to rescue the princess

[echo scaffold]

"Memorizing chemical names was actually the most fun thing I've ever done" - every chem student lying to themselves:D

[slim leaf]

im starting with artemis actually, bc is the only one i think i can think of a class easily

[rustic vale]

How would I got svout srtemis himm

If I wanted to stick to the crit based idea

[mystic lark]

Would be fun to throw an exam like that, lol.

[slim leaf]

im just making her a ranger

[rustic vale]

Well

[slim leaf]

with hunter's subclass

[mystic lark]

The only good thing about chemistry is NileRed

[slim leaf]

i could take some levels at fighter to get champion and crit at 19

or just homebrew after lvl 20

[echo scaffold]

Blasphemous

[slim leaf]

should i make ares a fighter or barbarian?

[rustic vale]

If I wanted to keep crit in the equation

Gloom11 / champ 15 / assassin 3 and idk where to put the last level

Hexblade dip ig not much else

[slim leaf]

dionisius is a bard tho

[rustic vale]

if guns are on the table, I’d chuck it a revolver, if not, handcrossbow.

[slim leaf]

to artemis?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

I’d think

[slim leaf]

why?

she uses a bow

lol

[rustic vale]

Because part of them being gods comes from potency no?

And the weapon can just be reflavoured as a bow

[slim leaf]

that makes sense

[rustic vale]

if you really wanted to use a longbow you could it just wouldn’t work as well as the others

[slim leaf]

but i'll probably stick with the longbow

[slim leaf]

i see

[rustic vale]

The bonus action attack handcrossbows can get from cbe just sends them y’know

And the ranged weapons kind of don’t really lend themself well the crit focus until revolver

[slim leaf]

hmmmm

well

tomorrow ill do that

[rustic vale]

Either way if you want to stick to a longbow it works

It’ll still be strong

[slim leaf]

too late to think abt character sheets

[rustic vale]

Prolly piercer/ sharpshooter/elven accuracy/ lucky and then a few asis

Can’t think of too many more feats I would want

Maybe magic initiate for absorb elements ig, got shield from hexblade so might as well grab the other defensive reaction

[drowsy linden]

i did it unwillingly when i looked at the sheet for 15 minutes
my memory for the most useless things(a poem, morse code, some elements of the table, etc) is just too good

[echo scaffold]

I wish I could memorize Morse code, I have so much too worry about and memorize.

[drowsy linden]

little trick i learned:
use a binary tree

[maiden narwhal]

is poseidon on attack and bullrush slam into barriers a viable strat?

[mint coral]

you can do that w/o pos

shield has knockback by default

[maiden narwhal]

but poseidon gives the bonus right

[mint coral]

I'd take dash or cast first

[maiden narwhal]

but then it doesn't have to be on the attdck

[mint coral]

attack % from pos is awful

[maiden narwhal]

that's right

i mean.
knockback on attack is awful

speaking of

there's a mod that removes knockback from shield attack

will it also remove poseidon knockback?

[latent moon]

mod or hammer

[maiden narwhal]

hammer

i guess

[mint coral]

yeah pulv blow

[latent moon]

ngl idk how that works with pos atk

[mint coral]

let me check lmao

[latent moon]

because the overlying problem is pos atk not the knockback lmao

[maiden narwhal]

years ago i just assumed it did

hades is on pause and i am googling binary trees 🤦

i also want to learn morse code

i forced ares and i forced artemis and i still got merciful ending first....

[mint coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751198390892888294/1203188194670288926/asda.mp4?ex=65d02f53&is=65bdba53&hm=875d32b956517adfa5f8232376a5e038c154580b97c879f845967c4db092e2b2&

[maiden narwhal]

lame

but now we know

[mint coral]

one time I went out of my way to get sea storm only to grab pulv blow right after lmao

[maiden narwhal]

this is the second time i'm forcing ares and artemis and failing to get hunting blades

ln it was freezing vortex now it's merciful ending

why this keeps happening

[mint coral]

I mean

I wouldn't have taken a dem core first

or for ME how did you end up with specifically into ares attack/special + the other for athena

[maiden narwhal]

but dem happened in tartarus

[mint coral]

ME has super strict requirements

[maiden narwhal]

so you mean skip all tartarus core boons?

[mint coral]

unless its chamber 1 dem shouldn't have offered all cores

[maiden narwhal]

ares on attack athena on special

i have ares on cast and artemis on call

[mint coral]

was dash not an option for ares or athena

or any random boon from them

[maiden narwhal]

well yes
but i also want merciful end

so i went with special

[mint coral]

oh lol

[maiden narwhal]

now i have ares on attack and cast, athena on special and dash, artemis on call

i'm in styx, with an artemis and an ares door

i should get blades, yeah?

[mint coral]

tbh I'd go for artemis and hope for deadly reversal instead

ME already won you the run

[maiden narwhal]

i need the prophecy 😭😭

[mint coral]

that makes more sense

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1203190969260843038/IMG20240203094044.jpg?ex=65d031e9&is=65bdbce9&hm=0cd8eb6c6473db8522dfcb1b185f82f378d09129c4282fb8af426d69757bd392&

aww yis

[tepid light]

@mint coral So when will you change your name from SomeNoobDying to SomeProDying

When will you be gud

[mint coral]

somehow not the first person to make that joke

the answer is never as I move on to new games

[tepid light]

It's a very easy joke to make honestly

[covert hare]

Someaverageplaying when

[mint coral]

the one weakness is where I barely talk with most peoples about games

[maiden narwhal]

i mean

he's newb not noob

[mint coral]

at most I've gotten comments on people going "I don't want to call you noob how do I shorten your name"

[maiden narwhal]

also pros don't die

they multiply

i never, ever use bullrush, and all 3 of my hammers were bullrush /:

is losing dashing wallop such a big deal?

i want to roll the daedalus

[mint coral]

shield is pretty much charged shot or whatever

add explosive return if zeus shield

[mint coral]

(pulv blow is, ok)

but also you have ME and blades so like

doesn't matter

[maiden narwhal]

charged shot is best hammer?

[mint coral]

yeah

[maiden narwhal]

good to know

[mint coral]

it's dmg doesn't depend on how much you charge it

[maiden narwhal]

i generally avoid it

[mint coral]

so you can spam it

[maiden narwhal]

ah got it

i generally avoid anything that makes me stop clicking

hate charge moves

[mint coral]

bullrush w/o cshot works as an extra dash too

[maiden narwhal]

but it's not tap that's the problem

would be ideal if you could charge rush during dash

then you don't break the flow

[maiden narwhal]

lol i used my last skull on athena in the shop (last boon in the game) and drew this

3 duos now

for zag sword, are thrust (last hit in sequence, assumably) and dash strike treated as the same action?

[latent moon]

at least you'll get good damage on shield lmao

without cshot shield damage is kinda sad

[maiden narwhal]

will cruel thrust effect dash strike, is my question

[latent moon]

pulv blow is decent cope but cshot is so much better

[latent moon]

nope

[maiden narwhal]

fak

[latent moon]

cruel thrust is a scam

[maiden narwhal]

o well

it's low heat, might not matter

[latent moon]

the only sword hammers that work for dash strikes are double edge, breaching slash, piercing wave, and hoarding slash

might be a few more

[rustic vale]

Zag sword works the same as pos and nem fyi

[latent moon]

but none of them are noteworthy

[rustic vale]

This is it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/IMG_3411.png?ex=65b02a73&is=659db573&hm=2beff4db046342150a62e0dd3edb9d62a76d594170fa70e95c2e18ee253a1380&

I mean

flurry slash

technically does affect your Dash strikes

It just messes them up

[rustic vale]

[latent moon]

is piercing wave actually better than breaching slash lmao

idrk

[rustic vale]

I like it more

[latent moon]

i guess piercing is more universal

[rustic vale]

Breaching is like mainly ely help

[latent moon]

yeah true

[rustic vale]

Piercing works at all levels pd play

[stone rune]

peaver better

[latent moon]

huh really

i guess it's just more flat damage

i just hate armor lmao

it's just flat 30 damage and doesnt get any % modifiers or anything right

i'd assume it doesnt get fiery boost either

[stone rune]

takes global

[latent moon]

yeah i assumed it'd take global but wasnt sure about anything else

[rustic vale]

no fiery boost

on a good sword it's actually +60 flat damage though

[brisk trail]

........

[slim leaf]

Good morning

[torn phoenix]

Good morning

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1203272725322407956/IMG20240203150546.jpg?ex=65d07e0d&is=65be090d&hm=93985a6c5203db89a9070dd8fdd4fef5a87bb86b500114cabcfb7c9c3d1a2827&

asphodel customs be like...

should i reroll and get rid of pos cast?

or get rid of athena and find her dash later?

i think the latter is better

[lavish sorrel]

What level is the attack

Important question

[slim leaf]

How are you?

[torn phoenix]

good, how about you

[slim leaf]

I'm fine

[sterile crystal]

Is crystal beam good with hera?

[maiden narwhal]

2. possibly 3

[sterile crystal]

How do I unlock the extra hearts for hypnos?

[upper wolf]

Not really

[true oak]

what do you mean, the game is literally unwinnable without bronze skin

I always use a BS build

[tepid light]

Question to my fellow EM4 players: how much max hp do you prefer to have by the time you face dad?

[stiff obsidian]

Are there any fellow em4 players

[tepid light]

False just becauses you're a bad gamer doesnt mean the rest of us are

/jk

YES, DAD DOWN AGAIN

35 hp, no dd's

getting a lot of close calls recently

[lavish sorrel]

[tepid light]

it's eternally funny to me how people will balk at em4 and the like and then cheerfully go on runs like "1 second per room if you don't clear the game in 2 minutes total you're sunk"

i know that's an exaggeration but still

[lavish sorrel]

the only place where this is almost accurate would be in some of the RunControl mod stuffs

[stiff obsidian]

i actually just started practicing em4 half a day ago

it is actually quite fun

[tepid light]

ooooo, nicenice

[stiff obsidian]

60 haet soon

[tepid light]

heightened security or no?

[devout terrace]

what are you trying to beat

[tepid light]

? how do you mean?

[devout terrace]

what heat

[tepid light]

are you asking what heat i'm at?

35

[devout terrace]

uh probably yeah

its rough in asphodel

[tepid light]

oh, i was asking false if he's using heightened security

[mint coral]

I think they were asking if false is using HS lol

[tepid light]

i myself have had it on for quite a while

[tepid light]

^

[devout terrace]

ohhhh

im dumb

[tepid light]

haha no worries

[devout terrace]

reminder that the feedback channel was closed the day 1.0 launched (when em4 was added)

[upper wolf]

tbh most of the feedback about EM4 is probably just possum screams

[lavish sorrel]

me when my complaints about styx cannot be filed

[tepid light]

never forget

"how hard will em4 be?"

"lol"

[stiff obsidian]

wow

[brisk trail]

..........

[silver mica]

power chamber: you only have one bullet per magazine, but it does +150% damage

oops

[rustic vale]

would be utterly unusable outside of hestia

[silver mica]

bad idea for a gun hammer*

[stiff obsidian]

it literally is hestia

[silver mica]

yeah exactly this was born out of my hate for getting delta chamber on hestia

bc I hate it when that happens

[rustic vale]

delta chamber isn't bad on hestia though?

it still has the same iframe effect and you can still manually reload

[silver mica]

but it isn't something I want at all personally

[rustic vale]

same can be said for a lot of other hammers on hestia

like spreadfire or flurry fire

[silver mica]

also I think it would be funny for a pact that reduces backstab bonus (p sure that doesn't exist already)

[rustic vale]

and both of those are worse picks for hestia

I mean it wouldn't matter for any good mirror

[silver mica]

damn I never see spread fire

forgot that exists

[rustic vale]

context: both speedrunning and high heat pacts take fiery presence instead

[silver mica]

I've not used fiery

[rustic vale]

first hit damage bonus

higher boost and unconditional on the direction

so you can kill more enemies in one hit

or 2 hits

less hits = more time saved

[silver mica]

I naturally backstab anyway tbh

[rustic vale]

it's not a matter of "naturally" doing x

[silver mica]

even before I get the bonuses I kinda just end up doing it

[rustic vale]

fiery is both a higher damage boost, and you don't have to position yourself at all

[silver mica]

and idk shadow seems better bc high health bosses

[rustic vale]

you don't need to dash around an enemy to use it

[silver mica]

but I've not tried it so idk

[rustic vale]

boss hp isn't a concern with either

it's typically more timesave/ hp save to kill room enemies quicker

[silver mica]

does damage control negate it

[rustic vale]

iirc no

[silver mica]

I think that's also another reason I thought "nah this doesn't seem great"

so never bought it

[rustic vale]

but also dc is something that doesn't get taken till late in heat

[silver mica]

Well I did buy it for the prophecies

but only used it for that one/two times

[rustic vale]

I mean rail and fists may take it earlier but

damage control is like giving every enemy the best defensive keepsake in the game

[stiff obsidian]

Damage control sucks on fists

[rustic vale]

not a fists high heat gamer but I figured it's fast enough

my b

[stiff obsidian]

I mean

It sucks that it's takable

Because it's so annoying

[silver mica]

I like fists

demeter specifically

[lavish sorrel]

[silver mica]

explosive artemis upper goes crazy

[lavish sorrel]

fists fun

||fun but bad||

[stiff obsidian]

More like merciful end simulator

[lavish sorrel]

TRUE

[silver mica]

I never get ME

Mostly bc I don't really like Ares

[maiden narwhal]

at what level?

[mint coral]

Nobody likes ME but here we are

[true oak]

That's sarcasm

[silver mica]

I've also been meaning to try lambent zagfists

bc funny

[maiden narwhal]

if i'm playing ares on weapon do i really need pom levels in flood cast?

[rustic vale]

I mean yeah that’s kind of a crucial part of building Merciful End

[mint coral]

If your build is ME, no reason

If you are building for curse of drowning

[rustic vale]

Put poms on your doom

or impending doom

[silver mica]

||but ares keeps trying to make contact with nyx and I don't want him to 😔||

[rustic vale]

Ares deserves a chance

[maiden narwhal]

i am
but do i leave flood cast base, is it enough?

[silver mica]

all he does is talk about death he may as well seduce thanatos instead

[rustic vale]

You aren’t using your cast if you’d building merciful end

so it doesn’t matter

[autumn rose]

homie just tryna impend some doom

[rustic vale]

^outside of boiling blood

the actually damage of your cast doesn’t matter if you’re not doing a cast based build

[mint coral]

Pos cast will just hurt ME odds from hermes side

Pos side

Why hermes

[autumn rose]

ares side

[rustic vale]

me when I hit curs eof drownigng from hermes

[silver mica]

And that's fine but he doesn't need to impend nyx while he's at it

[autumn rose]

me when i hit ME from poseidon

[silver mica]

that's just taking it too far

[mint coral]

I should fix my sleep schedule

And more hilarious jokes I tell myself

[silver mica]

Realest

[autumn rose]

[silver mica]

My friend said that mirage shot beowulf is really good

[maiden narwhal]

my heroes of newerth days were awful

sleep at 5 work at 8

[silver mica]

but I hate beo so I've not tried it

[rustic vale]

It is

[silver mica]

(I lack skill)

[rustic vale]

It’s bugged to do 100%

[mint coral]

Double your dmg output with this one simple duo

[rustic vale]

Instead of 30%

[maiden narwhal]

won't they fix that in a patch tho?

[mint coral]

Nah

They are done patching the game

[maiden narwhal]

oh

[lavish sorrel]

no fixing beo to be balanced unfortunately

[mint coral]

Maybe if it was discovered early on beo's life

[maiden narwhal]

hades 2 soon tho
i really hope they don't change gameplay

[mint coral]

But nobody used casts on it apparently

[silver mica]

is it possible theoretically to get mirage shot + zeus demeter festive fog

[lavish sorrel]

what were they doing, MEowulf?

[mint coral]

Ice wine fixes mirage iirc

[silver mica]

emphasis theoretically I am never gonna be bothered to try it

[mint coral]

Charged flight actually

[lavish sorrel]

what the frick

[rustic vale]

No… it’s been this way for so long

[mint coral]

It was +400% before or so I've been told

[rustic vale]

Also patching it would just force the past like 3 years of speedrun.com to be shunted to a previous patch

[lavish sorrel]

still even at +400% that seems kinda bad

[mint coral]

Beo and gilga are the 2 sides of untested weapons

Stupid good vs uh

That thing

[rustic vale]

Stupid good vs stupid

[maiden narwhal]

i'm playing me zeus shield

hermes has quick reload, flurry cast, side hustle,
all common

reroll?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[lavish sorrel]

yes

[rustic vale]

Reroll

[lavish sorrel]

want hs -> rd

[rustic vale]

Or more dashes

[maiden narwhal]

wow. swift flourish, quick recovery, greater haste

all common

allah hates me

[mint coral]

Greater haste common rd incoming

Just get routed level ichors

[rustic vale]

greater haste, rd, pray for styx hupersprint

Or the one shield hammerp

ferocious guard?

[mint coral]

Yeah that works too

[maiden narwhal]

hypersprint was my first

ooh now if get the one that gives damage for speed

that would be sick

[mint coral]

Rd styx then

[maiden narwhal]

what is rd?

[mint coral]

Rush delivery

[maiden narwhal]

ah yes

[mint coral]

The boon you are also talking about

[maiden narwhal]

inshallah

[mint coral]

Also actually

W/o hyper sprint couldn't you use sigil of the dad

Same speed bonus no

[rustic vale]

It won’t stack with hyper sprint (for damage)

[rustic vale]

Yeah you could

[sleek violet]

does the epilogue change depending on which gods you forged a bond with?

[mint coral]

Yes but no

The epilogue as it is won't change

But if you maxed nyx/chaos you'll get like 1-2 extra lines from chaos after it

Bc you need to invite them too (if done before epilogue I mean)

[sleek violet]

thanks

[maiden narwhal]

so once i get charged shot im supposed to stop spamming dash strike and attack, and start spamming that instead?

it is very difficult

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1203372878695895040/IMG20240203214339.jpg?ex=65d0db53&is=65be6653&hm=47331ad769befc6523a278f0d3dcf7463e8eaca426cbb670539edb7a49b0deb2&

styx customs

reroll?

[rose roost]

u still dash strike into charge shot

[rose roost]

Which aspect

[maiden narwhal]

how?
charged shot is bull rush

[mint coral]

With normal shield I just do standing > charged

[mint coral]

You can start a rush from dash strikes too

[maiden narwhal]

zeus shield
i rerolled and lost support fire

[maiden narwhal]

ok let me practice that

[rose roost]

Yea and it's faster

[rose roost]

good

[maiden narwhal]

ok so dash strike and just.. don't let go of attack for a second?

aw no styx hermes. no rd

[rose roost]

After first dash strike just don't press dash and just attk

[maiden narwhal]

after dash strike..

don't press dash...

how

it's so weird i hate it

[rose roost]

how is it weird

[maiden narwhal]

the flow is broken

if you have to stop

[rose roost]

I'm prolly not explaining it correctly lol

maybe watch a speedrun

[maiden narwhal]

or i'm doing it wrong

haha yeah i should

[rose roost]

u can record and post it here

easier to tell that way

[maiden narwhal]

ok i'll show try and do that

what's steam record hotkey?

i don't have stream software

[rose roost]

I don't think u can record gameplay through steam

[maiden narwhal]

aw

[rose roost]

Try obs

[maiden narwhal]

damn i'll have to learn it all over again

[true oak]

lmao i have accidental cold embrace in tartarus?

on ap2

should i just go with it

[stiff obsidian]

what heart

[true oak]

45

just unexpected i guess

[stiff obsidian]

45 ap2

[mint coral]

My condolences

[maiden narwhal]

there's an obs on steam

probably easier to use

no, it's a clone ):

[rose roost]

https://obsproject.com/

it's prolly the easiest software for recording and streaming

[true oak]

why is that not necessary?

i can go more cp, js, ri or em4

depends on aspect i guess

[mint coral]

I'd use ap1 but def not ap2 at 45

[true oak]

i think it just depends what boons you need

if you just need chonky attack and you play modded, ap2 is not that bad

[mint coral]

I mean, yeah but ap2 kinda lame to play anyways

Or not lame but annoying

[true oak]

chaos is scary

but as long as no RI im fine

[mint coral]

Tbf I did em4 45 so lol

[drowsy linden]

i did em4 40

[true oak]

hmm i am not fast enough for em4 probably

maybe maybe

[mint coral]

(and fwiw, doing nirmak daf would def been easier)

Just did em4 cuz I thought it was fun

[stiff obsidian]

Do you play modddddd

*modddd

**modded

[mint coral]

How the hell did I write that bad

[maiden narwhal]

wow
was 100% sure papa would beat me

but down he went

6 heat

[mint coral]

Gamer

[maiden narwhal]

highest record 😃

is vlc still best for video?

i got a virgin laptop

[stiff obsidian]

@mint coral do you play on controller?

[maiden narwhal]

i recorded everything from styx onwards

which probably won't upload here?

will obs let me cut it?

[rose roost]

yea

[mint coral]

Yeah

[stiff obsidian]

anything i should rebind?

[rose roost]

you can upload it to Imgur and share it here

and u can use shotcut to trim videos

[mint coral]

Reload is an usual one

[maiden narwhal]

is 1.63 gb

[mint coral]

Throw it to a shoulder button

Also I swao summon and special cuz it feels better idk

[stiff obsidian]

wait how do you change your binds from kbm to controller

have to change them individually?

[mint coral]

Just touch the controller

It just detects whatever and swaps accordingly

[maiden narwhal]

xbox?

[mint coral]

Cheap controller that's like a ps2 one

[stiff obsidian]

i. dont know that isnt happening

[mint coral]

What controller is it

[stiff obsidian]

i dont even think my controller inputs are being registered

idek

my friends controller

i dont know nothing about controllers

[mint coral]

Is it an usb one or bluetooth

Also might need steam i out to help recognize it

I'd explain better just let me get to my pc lol

[stiff obsidian]

wired

[rose roost]

oh damn lol

u can trim it using shotcut upload it to youtube and send it

or upload the whole thing to youtube

https://shotcut.org/

[maiden narwhal]

i download handbrake and added the file and clicked encode

now it's.. encoding

let's see what that does

[maiden narwhal]

then everyone would know my youtube channel right?

[rose roost]

you can set the video to unlisted and only send it to specific people

[maiden narwhal]

ooh perfect sturgeon gave blood

[stiff obsidian]

just make a dummy channel where you store vids for sharing

[rose roost]

yea

[maiden narwhal]

so.. a new gmail address?

[stiff obsidian]

takess 5 min max

i have like 10 emails bc of stuff like this

but only actively use 3

[maiden narwhal]

cool 599 mb now

[maiden narwhal]

ok i did this it's uploading now

taking forever wow

i could go watch braveheart and come back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1203388592148455466/IMG20240203224613.jpg?ex=65d0e9f6&is=65be74f6&hm=62b0510d8d86543ec089a135885afe01cfc4ab8ad636b16d82e0963366ad62fd&

and once you watch me play you will see why i will never clear this pact 😔

[lavish sorrel]

run with only HS

[maiden narwhal]

https://youtu.be/BR6nCghOlno

[lavish sorrel]

excuse me where are the doom poms

[maiden narwhal]

@rose roost

[lavish sorrel]

that attack though

[maiden narwhal]

don't make fun of me /:

[lavish sorrel]

I'm not making fun!

I'm pogging at the level 9 attack

[maiden narwhal]

til pogging

anyway so as you can see if you skip through the video

my playstyle is a little too leeroy for charged shot

@mint coral did you try my method of switching to left click for perfect catch?

[mint coral]

I haven't fished in ages

[maiden narwhal]

must be nice

[rose roost]

Oh it's zeus

for ME zeus charged shot is not really useful since you just dash-strike into enemies which looks like you're already doing

[drowsy linden]

but pulv blow funny

[rose roost]

but I'm not a big zeus player so maybe wait for someone like jazz for advice

[drowsy linden]

cshot on zeus is just cshot

[rose roost]

I would take pulv and er over charger shot on ME zeus

[stiff obsidian]

both my heat and speed pb with zeus is just cshot

[rose roost]

smth smth diff strokes

[covert hare]

What happens if you empty asterion healthbar in his miniboss fight

[stiff obsidian]

nothing

[drowsy linden]

he moves on

[latent moon]

He'll still be in the actual boss fight

And still have the same amount of reduced hp

[sturdy berry]

For beowulf do y'all prefer poseidon or dio cast? I feel both are pretty good, especially if you get the dio zeus duo

[mint coral]

Poseidon is better as it's already half of mirage shot

Which is bugged so the 2nd cast is 100% instead of 30%

Trippy also gets that (+pom bug) but it needs to find both the mirage gods and it also runs stygian soul so you want extra casts

[covert hare]

is it ok if i reset my mirror in order to use that darkness to buy things?

its not the big loss for me since im already ending the game

[mint coral]

yeah is ok

just keep the esential stuff if it's not enough for unseen one

[covert hare]

wdym unseen one

[mint coral]

oh I assumed you were talking about the badges ranks

unseen one is the last one

[covert hare]

i was talking about fixing the seal in the admin chamber

[mint coral]

yeah it still applies then

if you still have a lot of unused but leveled up skills

free darkness

[covert hare]

i never change my mirror after i found the " best combination " so i literally forgot about all of the unused skills

and when i reseted, bought the thing and maxed it all again

i was like

" wait why do i still have 2000 darkness "

[autumn rose]

there is no one best combination

[upper wolf]

meh

you can't really go wrong with fiery/chtonic/double dash/boiling blood/100 gold/50 life/family favorite/dark foresight/god's pride/persuasion

the only two talents that are really flexible are death/stubborn defiance and abyssal/stygian soul

[mint coral]

infernal soul

[sterile crystal]

What is the best hidden aspect?

[mint coral]

abyssal is vs boiling

[upper wolf]

oh, ty

I forgor names 💀

[upper wolf]

Beowulf

beowulf > rama >> luci > guan yu > arthur >>gilgamesh

[sterile crystal]

What makes beowulf so good?

The bloodstone rush?

[mint coral]

Double dmg from mirage shot is kinda good

Also it can escale dmg super well through wells (and chaos)

[sterile crystal]

Attacks quite slow tho lol

[upper wolf]

not really

you dash strike + charged shot

it's very fast

that does need charged shot

[mint coral]

Yeah standing strike bad

And no cshot vs cshot is a world of difference but is still great

[sterile crystal]

I'm guessing it just takes getting used to before it gets really good

[upper wolf]

not really

it's more "knowing the build"

once you know what to do it's actually quite easy

It's like... dash-strike, hold a tiny bit, bull rush/charged shot, all the while loading 1-2 casts for regular battles and just keep tapping the button for bosses

there's a lot of nuance and optimization possible

but the base way to play beowulf is pretty straightforward once you know it

often the issue will be trying to use standing strikes, or the special, or getting the wrong cast.

[drowsy linden]

i use specials

[slim leaf]

The only time I used bro was to complete the prophecy

Of reaching surface with shield's secret aspect

[upper wolf]

browolf

[mint coral]

BeOwOlf

[slim leaf]

I think I'm forgetting how to type

Duo boob

Browolf

[dry mauve]

i want to try to get more into cast builds

though I'll have to level them up in this new file

in the past even though i did highish heat with all aspects I sort of cheesed the cast aspects

hera I just played as bad zag bow

beowulf was just charged flight cheese

and poseidon was just bad nemesis sword

[upper wolf]

damn

you really hamstrung yourself huh

congrats on getting through the clears with those builds /gen

[covert hare]

is it possible to get two chaos boons in a row?

[upper wolf]

chardged flight beowulf sounds kinda fun but very painful too

[upper wolf]

naturally, no, there's a cooldown between two portals. Maybe you can with light of ixion though ?

well, it depends also on what you mean by "in a row"

[covert hare]

ooooh yeah i forgot i had two lights of ixon lmao

[upper wolf]

you can't go from one chaos to a second one, there's always gonna be a normal room in between

[upper wolf]

well that answers my question too then x)

[covert hare]

also idk if it is a bug but

dio just talked

but the colors of his letters were of demeter

[dry mauve]

i just like mashing the attack button :<
chasing down casts is too annoying

also i think maybe cast builds are easier if you remap cast?

i havent done it yet but i have issues loading casts and charging at the same time

[drowsy linden]

i have not played hera right in like the last 3 runs

[dry mauve]

which makes those builds slower to play

[drowsy linden]

my phalanx run became a backstab flurry run(with cast being used purely to trigger blinding flash), and my cruhs shot run never got crush shot so i just did smair zeus call

[fervent radish]

Consider trippy Hera with Stygian soul

[dry mauve]

ive been playing level 1 hera occasionally on my new file

i dont really want to play level 1 poseidon since sword sux

and the cast damage bonus looks smallish

and i havent unlocked beo yet

[upper wolf]

poseidon lvl1 is ok

you just have to rely more on exit wounds

and on dedge

[dry mauve]

i also have to play sword though

[upper wolf]

fair enough

[dry mauve]

:p

[upper wolf]

I also don't really like hera fwiw

[dry mauve]

ive done one run with dio, athena, and aphro on hera and the athena run seemed the smoothest

though that was my third run so maybe im just more used to the play style

[upper wolf]

but I think stygian + dio is the easiest build for hera, although not the strongest

[mint coral]

Aphro is basically the same but your casts don't go to the other side of the map if you miss

[upper wolf]

phalanx hera is all well and good until you miss a single shot and never see your cast stone ever again

[dry mauve]

the stygian + dio run was good, just felt a bit awkward to wait for cooldown when its most of your dps

[stiff obsidian]

bow is my last wep to sub8 and im stumped on what to do about it

[covert hare]

guys i find a " bug " should i report it? or the game will not be updated anymore

[stiff obsidian]

sucks on kbm

[dry mauve]

i think the athena run was kind of highrolly

i had hermes legendary

so no chasing casts

[mint coral]

Dash only :croven:

[stiff obsidian]

hm

i already did that with chiron

[drowsy linden]

stop using mouse

[mint coral]

RaME

[stiff obsidian]

actually should work

nah rama succkk

s

ill probably figure out this controller problem and do it

[dry mauve]

btw ive heard the guan yu meta is different now than it was when i played like 2 years ago?

[covert hare]

although its probably not a bug but something of my pc

[dry mauve]

has there been some sort of new advanced strats developed?

[mystic lark]

When using Achilles spear, is using special faster than dashing, not considering any speed buffs?

[dry mauve]

yes

for long distances at least

for short distances just dash

you can test it out in the skelly chamber

start all the way in the hallway on the left side of the room and dash to the right side

then do it with spear throw

and compare

[mint coral]

I like the special for the stupid aspho staircase room

Throw it to the one exit you can't see just in case

[covert hare]

is it a bug if dionisus talked when i choosed him in trial of the Gods

but his letters were the colour of demeter

[drowsy linden]

yes

[fervent radish]

Lvl 1 Hera is fine, just gotta reset for quick reload

[upper wolf]

resetting for quick reload is very much not fine though

[mystic lark]

I wonder why gemstones are not used for badge upgrades

I have 13k and there is literally nothing I can use them for

Technically I could trade them for keys and then trade keys for nectar, which I could gift to Bouldy... But I get more than enough of nectar from my runs, lol.

[drowsy linden]

you can trade for badge resources

[mystic lark]

The only badge resource I don't have an abundance of is darkness, and trading for darkness is available once in a thousand years

https://i.imgur.com/KKovcUh.png

Skelly came to work drunk

[covert hare]

well it just happened so

should i do something about it

[fervent radish]

Very real

[drowsy linden]

ehhhh it doesnt really impact the game and sgg isnt gonna fix it

[carmine cloak]

Yo it's been a minute since I last talked here. Or played this game.

Between Dark Foresight and Olympian Favor which is better? I've been using Dark Foresight.

[mint coral]

foresight by a mile

[carmine cloak]

What about God's Pride vs God's Legacy?

[mint coral]

is not like favor is bad (mainly hermes) but foresight is just that good

[carmine cloak]

Legacy just for if you know you're targeting duos?

[mint coral]

that one is more preference but meta speaking pride is usually better

getting 1 duo even w/o legacy ain't the worst

[carmine cloak]

Yeah but lets just say you're targeting a duo heavy build?

[mint coral]

I'd question if it was a good build in first place

but eh sure

[carmine cloak]

Or maybe even a legendary oh I remember why I have Legacy on now. I think I was trying to catch all fish?

[mint coral]

fwiw is not rare to see people on pride still getting like 3-4 duos

[mint coral]

aiming for huge catch I guess?

[carmine cloak]

I think that was the reason. It's been ages ago though.

[upper wolf]

thing is, a duo build will 99% of the time still want epic boons aside (ares strike for ME, poseidon cast for MS, etc) whereas the opposite isn't true

and also, chaos and hermes are sooo important

[mint coral]

beo doesn't want pride for flood flare lol

[carmine cloak]

Yeah I think I just wanted huge catch

[mint coral]

is hermes/chaos

[upper wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-eto-bleh-anime-bleh-gif-26784876

[mint coral]

that said I still like flare rarity

there's a stupid breakpoint with common that leaves uh

[carmine cloak]

I just need one more fish lol. But I can get that any time.

[mint coral]

armored louts iirc like at 1 pixel of health

[stiff obsidian]

you dont need pride for doom/cast if you play first boon epic mod

:ez:

[covert hare]

awww to bad i always wanted to be special and discover a bug

[latent moon]

armored witches

[carmine cloak]

I also remember there being some kind of very popular document that had some very in-depth guides on choosing builds, on a per aspect basis.

[latent moon]

maybe for louts too but i've noticed it the most with armored witches specifically

lvl 1 common flood flare

[mint coral]

oh yeah it was witches

[latent moon]

pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[stiff obsidian]

louts when rocketbomb but no high confidence

[carmine cloak]

Ty

[mystic lark]

https://i.imgur.com/hduqHXb.png

Too bad they don't sell these

[rustic vale]

SSG new merch idea

[covert hare]

what counts as a 100% to post in victory boasting channel?

all achievements in steam or reaching the game epilogue

[mint coral]

achievements I think

[mystic lark]

Getting an epilogue is relatively easy, and is a part of achievements

That doesn't mean you can't post reaching the epilogue though, people post there anything they are proud of, even if it is something that seems easy for more experienced players. What important is that you are proud of yourself!

[rustic vale]

Everyrhing everyyhing

Unseen one

[drowsy linden]

all dialogue

[mystic lark]

I wonder if there is a mod that can tell if you got all the dialogues

[covert hare]

you are NOT gonna trick me into gettin max rank

and all skelly trophies

[stiff obsidian]

skelly trophies are easy

you can get them

[covert hare]

yeah already have two

i mean the last one

[stiff obsidian]

the last one too

its about 10% harder than the 2nd one

[covert hare]

yeah not doing that

ok so i got epilogue, and there is only one achievement left

for steam completion

im pretty sure i can get it in a run

[rustic vale]

...

All skelly trophies is nothing next to unseen one tbh

[latent moon]

32 heat is pretty doable if you're in this server

[stiff obsidian]

i got it because i was bored of grinding bounties

[drowsy linden]

same

climbing heats for bounties was just too boring

[mystic lark]

I got it after getting all the achievements, since leaving one statue hidden was annoying

[dry mauve]

i tried doing this before i quit a few years ago and i didnt complete it because it felt super boring to do optimally

basically just running low heat mind off with poseidon keepsake

i guess a better way to do it would be just to play the game and at some point hundreds of hours later it will happen naturally

but knowing that it's your one goal left and trying to grind it is pretty rough

[last veldt]

I built up a fairly good strategy that would net me at least 2000 darkness per completed run (but about 3/4 or runs were binned at the end of Tartarus). My best was 1597 darkness just for Dad, and well over 4000 in the run. It still took a while.

Someone I was talking to said it would have been good if more heat meant more darkness (e.g. +2% darkness per heat level). I liked this idea.

[covert hare]

i finally did it

100%

now i can finally graduate to hades 2 channel

[stiff obsidian]

get all dialogue

do a boonless run

do 32 heat

get a sub15

[latent moon]

still 32 heat

[covert hare]

sorry cant hear ya over my 100%

[latent moon]

lmao 32 heat is calling out for you

writhing in pain on the floor

[brisk trail]

..........

[covert hare]

yay bouldy also came to celebrate my 100%

[slim leaf]

Congratulations!

[drowsy linden]

i love hiding behind bouldy drops during dad lasers

[proper tusk]

tried using gods pride instead of gods legacy for once

now ares is giving me a choice of 2 duos and a legendary

thanks game

[desert tundra]

Gotta love RNG

[nimble patrol]

Oh nah we got a boulder in here 😭🙏

[maiden narwhal]

duos can be a trap tho

[rustic vale]

I mean it is just speedrunning but you go out of your way to grab darkness +%

It gets a tinsy bit boring but I kind of just want unseen one without hundreds more runs

[rustic vale]

Not that legendaries can’t be either

[slim leaf]

Good afternoon

[maiden narwhal]

afternoon

finally finished heightened security omg

i did it the cheap way tho

forced athena for the boon that gives reduced damage from traps

but whatever
the game does not care how i did it

and now i shall never have to do it again

[slim leaf]

Congratulations

[maiden narwhal]

it was last one left \o/

also, i never got another ichor after getting rush delivery

this game knows exactly what it's doing

[slim leaf]

(what is icor?)

[maiden narwhal]

the thingy from the chaos shop that gives you increased move speed

[mint coral]

Charon shop

[maiden narwhal]

charon shop

[autumn rose]

Charon shop

[steep condor]

man, imagine if there was a chaos shop

[slim leaf]

Ooh

[slim leaf]

Would be great

[covert hare]

“What do you sell chaos?”
“#*]%|81¥£€{“
“ yeah give me 2 of those “

[slim leaf]

Lol

[mystic lark]

It should be a full-fledged language that speedrunners would have to learn to not buy something that decreases speed and dash range by 90% for 10 rooms

[covert hare]

Chaos creating his own Minecraft enchantment table language seems pretty lore accurate

[slim leaf]

yup

[rancid axle]

That feeling when you ||reunite Orpheus and Eurydice and hear their duet in Asphodel for the first time||

[upper wolf]

GOOD RIDDANCE TO ALL THE THIEVES

[covert hare]

Same feeling as when you reach the credits

[rancid axle]

Yeah lol

“Something, something, in the blood”

[mystic lark]

Witches chamber that gives you your first Athena boon is like "If you are nothing without deflect, then you don't deserve it!"

[late pagoda]

Y'all, I would die for Orpheus his music is so good

[quasi dust]

same

[stiff obsidian]

im not a huge fan of the music in game

tbh

[late pagoda]

Do you mean the normal music or like Orpheus's music

[stiff obsidian]

both kinda

[late pagoda]

cuz I think those are different

[mystic lark]

I like all in-game music, except for Orpheus. But it extremely depends on taste, I just don't like voices like his.

[desert tundra]

I still sit there for 10 minutes just listening to her (or their if Orpheus too) music whenever I find the chamber

[late pagoda]

whats y'alls favorite god design?

[desert tundra]

Nyx and Chaos

[quasi dust]

i have an unhealthy obsession with the ost

[mystic lark]

Although I ended up turning music off, after 500 hours it became kinda stale :D

[late pagoda]

I like Chaos and Artemis's designs

[drowsy linden]

unseen ones

[quasi dust]

chaos and hermes

artemis and nyx are really good too

[mint coral]

Chaos but I don't really think much of the designs

[desert tundra]

Artemis is my fav personality wise

[mint coral]

Pos is cool too

[mystic lark]

If you didn't excape ten times already, you will love their song

[quasi dust]

same

[mystic lark]

Honestly, all designs are cool. But I think Dio, Aphro and Artemis are my favourites

[quasi dust]

dio's great

[late pagoda]

Man, why is Athena harder to get then Hermes

[drowsy linden]

i like bastion vocal songs more

[drowsy linden]

skill issue, and you probably filled god pool

[rancid axle]

If Hades 2 counts, Nemesis. If it doesn't, Nyx or Dionysus

[desert tundra]

250 hrs, I've already done all story stuff lol

[stiff obsidian]

nemesis 😩

[quasi dust]

god nemesis is gorgeous

[mint coral]

That said

[quasi dust]

FR

[desert tundra]

Most things in the game in general besides cosmetics

[late pagoda]

I hope Hephaustus is in Hades 2

[mint coral]

Persephone's underworld design is mwah

[quasi dust]

persephone in general>>>>>

[covert hare]

From mom to mother

[rancid axle]

Oh yeah Persephone too

[mint coral]

I'll dig my hole you build a wall~

[late pagoda]

aphrodite.

[quasi dust]

yes.

[late pagoda]

she has an interesting design

[quasi dust]

i mean she's the goddess of love idk what you expected

[late pagoda]

some clothes

[quasi dust]

ok yeah

[drowsy linden]

sad the pantheon doesnt exist

[quasi dust]

fair

[covert hare]

Yeah like girl you are married cover atleast a little

[late pagoda]

like even a bikini would have been better then nothing