h1-discussion

[latent moon]

the only shield aspect that has damage is beo

all the other shields kinda suck for speed

[stiff obsidian]

Beo 👎

[latent moon]

they're just very consistent

[stiff obsidian]

Unbased

[latent moon]

spear only has achilles for big damage, kinda guan yu but a lot less so

[stiff obsidian]

Zagspear

[latent moon]

i mean that's just bad achilles

[stiff obsidian]

Bad great aspect = good aspect

[latent moon]

zag spear is fine in the same way zag rail is fine

except that zag spear only has 1 build and zag rail has 2

[stiff obsidian]

Zagspear has 2 u can do merciful end 🧌

[latent moon]

i thought that was the only 1 it could do lmao

[stiff obsidian]

Oh

[latent moon]

i guess flat damage soup is a thing

[stiff obsidian]

I always started zeus

[latent moon]

they both work i suppose

[stiff obsidian]

Me is trippy bc ur attack can hit but even if you dash towards the enemy it can not deflec

[latent moon]

hm true

but it is still a melee weapon and therefore ME is doable

[stiff obsidian]

:suskayagreeegebusiness:

[latent moon]

i mean tbf hades spear kinda has to do ME

so it's def doable lmao

i think we both just suck at spear

[stiff obsidian]

😩

Zagspear is unironically my 3rd fastest aspect

After Eris and beowulf

Just shows how far I still have to go

To the point where aspect would actually change the time i get

[stone rune]

mine are

beo achilles zeus hestia zagrail hera nem eris

i think

i have like a low 7 zagspear

[stiff obsidian]

I thought u have a hestia aub6

[stone rune]

no

why

[stiff obsidian]

Just do all aspects

[stone rune]

grue

[latent moon]

after beo, my fastest aspects are dem, achilles, and nem lmao

oh i almost have sub8 all weps

wait i swear i have sub8 bow

damn i thought i sub8 rama

but it's an unrecorded 8:14

welp i'll do that before i go back to fists

and i guess hestia

[stiff obsidian]

Race to sub8

Bow

[latent moon]

man im about to go to sleep lmao

[stiff obsidian]

I can't rn either

I didn't mean rn

[latent moon]

oh lmao

next time i can play is in like 14.5 hours

or like maybe 8-9ish if i feel like it

[stiff obsidian]

🫡

[latent moon]

are we gonna do rama?

[stiff obsidian]

Idk

[latent moon]

well i'm certainly not gonna do chiron and my aim is too bad to use hera

[stiff obsidian]

I can't even sub,9 rama

I will do hera

[latent moon]

lmao rama hard

[stiff obsidian]

My bow pb is unironally 8:11 from half an hour ago

With chiron

[latent moon]

lmfao

[upper wolf]

I'm too lazy to check my PB, I remember it's on a weird aspect

[latent moon]

my bow pb is 8:10 on zag bow

[upper wolf]

Oh wait no, iirc it's hunting blade achilles ?

I struggled to get sub10 on 4-5 runs then got low 8 out of nowhere

urg, now I'm curious

imma check

nah it's rama

seems legit, it's also one of my fav aspect and my heat pb

[latent moon]

wait why tf do i not have my last few runs recorded i'm so confused

i swore i had my recent rama runs recorded but i guess not

welp i'll get a new one tmrw i guess

[finite thorn]

Is Achilles easy to play? Looks fun but complicated

[latent moon]

Achilles is pretty hard to play

How fast you mash is directly correlated to how fast you go

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit#heading=h.pkvqdq6q4ms5

185in is the top Achilles player and was the first player to ever sub5

And no one's beaten him since lol

[stiff obsidian]

unmodded'

?

/?

[finite thorn]

Dem fists modded WR 5.29 xd

[latent moon]

Idk what his unmodded record is

[latent moon]

Beo Hera and Achilles all have sub5 lol

[finite thorn]

5.43

[latent moon]

Damn that's pretty gamer for unmodded

[finite thorn]

And fists 5.38

[stiff obsidian]

wat

i think thats a different person

[finite thorn]

Wat

Fists is Ananke ofc

Im just comparing times

[stiff obsidian]

i see

[lavish sorrel]

Cool, that explains why I suck at it

[wicked sage]

how many surface interactions does it take for persephone to return to the underworld? im on 5 rn

[steep condor]

10

iirc

[quasi dust]

Y'all remember how I told you that I asked my philosophy teacher to play Hades?

So he played for a couple of hours

Said he likes it

I'm literally screaming this makes me so happy

[steep condor]

til you can take wall slam damage when being shoved into the wall while blocking w/ shield

(i died)

[lavish sorrel]

Take wall slam damage? The heck

The hit probably just came at an angle you couldn't block at, that happens afaik

[mint coral]

Yeah if wall slam was a thing I would've died way more at em4

[steep condor]

it was alecto's... cast? the thing that looks like blade rift. i blocked it and it pushed me for one second before i took dmg, the angle didn't change i think

maybe i simply stopped being able to block it when i reached the wall and it could not push me further?

[upper wolf]

nah it pierced you

went through you

so the hit stopped coming from the front, started coming from behind

[steep condor]

huh. makes sense, even though it didn't look like that to me. ok, today i learned blocking is not my thing yet and i'm going back to just dodging then🤷‍♂️

[mint coral]

Could also bullrush out of the corner

I don't trust block alone since em4 point blank

[brisk trail]

.........

[brisk trail]

Awwww

[quasi dust]

He told me he's pretty bad at it rn

I've been there (still kind of am ngl)

[brisk trail]

Oh at least he likes the game

[quasi dust]

Yea

I'm so glad he does

[brisk trail]

My marine biology teacher plays Hades

[main glen]

watch your language, he might end up here

[quasi dust]

HAHSHSHSHA trueee

I'll try to help him out

I only see him twice a week tho

I need more classes w him frfr

[oak ibex]

I walked in at a perfect moment. See, my university offers a Game Studies and Design certificate, which I am pursuing along with my major in Sociology and minor in English. I haven't taken any classes that fulfil that certificate's credits yet, but as soon as I do, you know I'm going up to all my professors and being like "hello are you interested in our Lord and Savior Zagreus the ADHD Disaster Bi?"

[quasi dust]

spread the word

(zagreus my beloved)

[oak ibex]

And just the Supergiant Games in general

[quasi dust]

ofc

[oak ibex]

Although I will have to tell them to be careful of a certain boatman, lest "Final Expense (Payback Mix)" randomly comes up on their Spotify and they get traumatic flashbacks like I did-

[quasi dust]

charon decimated me the first time i tried to fight him💀

[oak ibex]

I was genuinely shocked I survived that first time. And then when that prophecy appeared, I never wanted to strangle Hermes more than I did right then and there-

[quasi dust]

same

[main glen]

same, he absolutely obliterated me even though i had a nice build going on

[quasi dust]

like, i love hermes, but dude

[oak ibex]

I say this, but Hermes is still my fav Olympian in the game lol

[main glen]

since then, i let hime have his 300 gold, im not going back there until im mentally healed

[quasi dust]

same

[mint coral]

Charon fight is chill assuming you aren't in we ball mode and try the fight in tart lol

[quasi dust]

i also rlly like artemis tho

[quasi dust]

fr he scares the crap out of me

[main glen]

hermes is also my favorite, although poseidon is close behind

[oak ibex]

I think my first attempt EVER was in Tart. Again, genuinely surprised I not only survived, but completed the entire run 😭

[quasi dust]

impressive

[oak ibex]

Artemis is a fav of mine too! Ares and Dionysus follow closely behind too lol

[quasi dust]

artemis my beloved

hermes, artemis and poseidon are probably my top 3

[oak ibex]

Me, being forced to choose between Ares and Artemis boons: Oh gods, why hast thou forsaken me-

[quasi dust]

mood

[oak ibex]

...although they're better than getting wrecked by Poseidon and Aphrodite like jesus-

[quasi dust]

ehhh i don't really use aphrodite?

like shes not bad dont get me wrong but yk

artemis

[main glen]

shes strong on some builds but i rather have others

[quasi dust]

exactly

[mint coral]

Aphro wins for me thanks to smair lol

[main glen]

aphro's call is solid i just never get it

[quasi dust]

same

[mint coral]

Oh I'm not talking aphro call smair lol

[main glen]

oh

[mint coral]

Zeus/dio usually

[oak ibex]

I prefer some of Aphro's duo boons

[mint coral]

Athena sometimes

[quasi dust]

idek what a smair is

[main glen]

wait yeah you need an aphro for smair right ?

[mint coral]

Smoldering air, aphro zeus duo

[quasi dust]

ahhh

[mint coral]

Call caps at 25% but super fast charging

[quasi dust]

cool

[mint coral]

Ye

[quasi dust]

god i have so much to learn, i havent played this game in forever

[oak ibex]

Oh wait, one of my fav duo boons of all time is Artemis/Demeter. Also love Ares/Artemis. Idk I just find em neat lol

[mint coral]

Hunting blades is neat

[oak ibex]

Nah same. I need to get back into it, especially bc I still haven't beat my previous heat goal.

[quasi dust]

my highest heat rn (haven't beaten it yet) is 17 with the stygian blade

compared to what i see here, that's super low

[oak ibex]

I think mine was 20-ish? But I wanna get to 32. God, I might need to start from scratch again: I'm so rusty. It sucks because I intend on spending all Friday playing Persona 3 Reload lmao, and college already limits my gaming time 😭

[quasi dust]

ahh dang

good luck w that

actually yk what

i'm playing hades this afternoon

[steep condor]

channel full of he / they people

[quasi dust]

i wanna get to higher heat

[quasi dust]

wait really?

lmao

nice

[oak ibex]

Mwahaha us he/theys taking over the Underworld 😤

[quasi dust]

yesssss

he/they domination

[steep condor]

now we only need to get better at the game lol

[quasi dust]

yup

only then can we overthrow hades

[brisk trail]

.........

[steep condor]

bouldy are your pronouns he and they, too? your profile says boul/der which i assume is a bad joke (pronoun jokes are bad like attack helicopter jokes)

[stiff obsidian]

boulder

[hidden trench]

my plushies got here

[steep condor]

yeah i got that

[lavish sorrel]

One more

[quasi dust]

yooo welcome to the club

[upper wolf]

the famous queer agenda : play Hades. Honestly it's kind of a "everyone" agenda. It's a good game.

[torn phoenix]

Good game

[quasi dust]

Good game

[hidden trench]

Good game

[hidden trench]

id send an image but image perms probably have to be here a week before i can

[stone rune]

post a link

[hidden trench]

can send it as an emoji though

[stiff obsidian]

clifford and curious george

wait

[hidden trench]

close enough

[quasi dust]

YOOOO niceeee

[hidden trench]

i know!!! they're right at home on my desk

[quasi dust]

I've wanted to get Hades merch since forever

[quasi dust]

SO CUTE

[hidden trench]

you can barely see them but they're there

[hidden trench]

my friend brung up the fact they exist and i splurged

would've gotten skelly too if i saw him on the website....

[quasi dust]

I remembered this Christmas but I was late

I'd already gotten all my gifts

[hidden trench]

would order the skelly now but ill probably wait until the bluray thing comes out. then ill get em both then

also fangamer has a 3 week delay yeowch

[quasi dust]

Yea I saw that

[hidden trench]

got my order in just before that.. lucky chance

[quasi dust]

Yep

[hidden trench]

excited for the blu ray though.. wonder how much itll be so i know how much to save up for it

[quasi dust]

I'm gonna beg my friends for the Cerberus plushie on my birthday lmao

[quasi dust]

The blu ray looks promising

[hidden trench]

cerb plush is incredibly soft they can't say no

[quasi dust]

No one can say no to Cerbie

No one

[hidden trench]

no one!!!

[hidden trench]

ive not got anything to watch it on but im excited nonetheless

[quasi dust]

Same here

I think? What do you use for blu rays actually💀

[hidden trench]

any cd player works i think

[quasi dust]

Oh we probably have those

[hidden trench]

there might be one in the garage of my house actually ill have to check that out when everyone's gone

watch on my tv

[quasi dust]

Nice

[void vigil]

i dont think its anything malicious, just part of the gimmick

people have been setting their pronouns on discord to things to match thier aesthetic or just silly things, its very easy to tell when someone actually means harm by it

[mint coral]

Gotta respect the commitment to the bit

[void vigil]

for sure

[mint coral]

I didn't even see the pronouns part before that lol

[void vigil]

• if someone means harm by it and theyre vocal about it in the server, they wont stay here for long

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1202298857187446854/image.png?ex=65ccf311&is=65ba7e11&hm=da77c11777c65f293ef7ea7badeb93b8b12adb3d0189c0e325e2702b4a932f3a&

[upper wolf]

that reminds me of a meme. Hold on I'll try to find it

[void vigil]

✨ ✨

theyre playing zagreus' board game

[upper wolf]

Wait, can I DM it to you first AD ? To be sure it's not too spicy for the discord. It's pretty tame, but idk

[void vigil]

sure!

[lavish sorrel]

Counterargument, aspect of rod

[steep condor]

i know, i still don't like it tbh

sometimes things can be harmful without malicious intent. (don't have to discuss this any further here though)

[covert hare]

How do you walk Cerberus

There is not a single open place

For a big doggie

[upper wolf]

he's a chtonic titan of humongous strength. He'll make the open place

[jagged hamlet]

He could just destroy the lounge to get exercise

[quasi dust]

Again?

[upper wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rael-gif-943215023730044045

[quasi dust]

HSHSHSHS

[quasi dust]

Guys I lied abt playing hades this afternoon
I watched evangelion instead

at least it was somewhat productive procrastination?

[upper wolf]

cruel hades theseus

[formal citrus]

Heroic hyper delivery here we gooooo

[mystic lark]

I just tried using livesplit, with autosplitting, but after furies timer stops, becomes blue and does not resume in asphodel. Am I doing something wrong?

[formal citrus]

Made it to ||phase 3||, so that's something

[formal citrus]

What are livesplit or autosplitting? Are you using tight deadline, the ||heat timer||? That only ||decreases 5hp a second||, it doesn't ||immediately kill you||

[mint coral]

is a program used for speedruns

[mint coral]

that said, prob better to ask in the speedrun discord (pinned in #self-promotion )

or wait until jazz/someone else who uses the program here shows up

[mystic lark]

Nah, it's a program that speedrunners use. If you saw speedrun videos, it's that timer in the corner of the screen that tracks time for different segments of the run and compares them to your best time/world record/etc

[stone rune]

what do your splits look like

where did u get split from

[mystic lark]

https://i.imgur.com/jRNKe0O.png

[stone rune]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources

use tthe any heat splits by museus

[mystic lark]

I think I got it. So splits are categories for the timer, and autosplitter only pauses and starts next, right?

[stone rune]

idk ask in speedcord

i dont use livesplit for igt

[mystic lark]

Anyway, thanks. I think now it should work

[latent moon]

@mystic lark

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit#heading=h.pkvqdq6q4ms5

Achilles guides for your sub10 adventure lmao

[mystic lark]

Thanks!

[latent moon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

Might want this too

[rustic vale]

Styx tunnels

[covert hare]

dont you mean the temple

because a TUNNEL is certainly not an open place

[rustic vale]

I mean

it may not be open but

Just run through the tunnels trampling enemies till you get to portal and rinse repeat

[covert hare]

cerberus could fit in the portal tho

he kinda big

[rustic vale]

Idk I think he could just step and be doen

[mint coral]

Just play with em4 so he can do a short sprint each run

[rustic vale]

Em4 fo2 to make him faster

[mystic lark]

Is Cerberus also underworld-bound? Maybe Than could walk him outside

[covert hare]

that would cause quite the chaos in the surface

imagine seeing death

and not only that but walking a cerberus

[mystic lark]

Imagine Than and Cerberus on a dog playground

[latent moon]

i mean cerby is allowed to go on the surface

dad summons him in em4

[mint coral]

underworld bound means if he would die if he stays on the surface too long

like dad and zag

[latent moon]

ah

i'm sure he'll be fine

[mint coral]

he's built different

[mystic lark]

It would be fun to be able to summon him. Cerby against heroes

[latent moon]

there's a mod for that iirc

might be part of olympus extra

[brisk trail]

..........

[autumn rose]

sounds like the average tuesday night tbh

[drowsy trellis]

Why is the aim assist so bad on rail

Like yeah its not going to be leading your shots or anything on bow but I could literally have an eyeball standing still and regenerating and the aim assist just empties my entire clip like a centimeter to their right

[covert hare]

Sounds like a

hehe

Skill issue

[drowsy trellis]

/j?

I play m&k I can literally see my cursor over it

[stone rune]

the aim assist will literally lock your fire directly to a target

[steep condor]

switch player here never had that happen, i'm more frustrated by not being able to hit the enemy i want when there's lots of them (cloners ugh)

assuming aim assist works like rail on console, don't know if there's a big difference

[drowsy linden]

aim assist on controller is nice ive heard

[latent moon]

do you have aim at cursor off

i just did like 1.5 hours of rama and by god is that hard

only got like like 2 sub10s

i did get like no skips and bad builds but damn

[maiden narwhal]

there's an aspect of the rail where if you stand in the bomb blast, it gives you bonus attack damage

and there's a mod for the bomb where if you're in the blast zone you take damage

so if you put deflect on your dash and time it properly, you are getting the bonus damage and not taking damage and also dealing the damage you would have taken

and then if you get avoid damage boons, it will stack huge

but i'm wondering..

if i put deflect on the special

will it not do any damage at all?

[mint coral]

Is not divine dash what causes to not take dmg

Dashing makes you invulnerable by default

But no, taking special wouldn't stop the dmg

[maiden narwhal]

aw

[mint coral]

And the iframes given by dashing are removed when you attack

Unless, you have delta chamber hammer

For bug reason it keeps iframes on dash strikes

[maiden narwhal]

why can't i animation cancel?

it slows things down so much

[mint coral]

Wdym

[maiden narwhal]

if you try to attack with sword before the special animation completes, it cancels the action

ditto shield

[maiden narwhal]

like say i get the mod where dashing during your special increase damage

so then your actions are dash special dash attack

but if you dash before the special animation is complete

then it will cancel the special action completely

[mint coral]

Ah I get what you mean

And tbh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

For sword never had a problem

The special is quite useful and is oart of your usual rotation

[maiden narwhal]

infact you cannot cancel any animation in this game

you have to stand there and wait for dialogue to complete when you examine stuff

thanatos in chambers is the worst

[mint coral]

And I never took dashing flight

[maiden narwhal]

sword is the biggest problem

because attack is so fast but special is so slow

so you have to wait for special animation to complete before you attack

ugh

[mint coral]

Your usual rotation for sword is special > dash strike x2

Special is fast enough between dash cooldown

[maiden narwhal]

i mean you need to at some point, for the checklist

[mint coral]

I mean yeah but why would I use it I mean

[maiden narwhal]

isn't it decent with the aspect with multiple shields on special?

[mint coral]

Doesn't work on the extra shields

[maiden narwhal]

...

[mint coral]

Nor charged flight

[maiden narwhal]

fkn lol

[mint coral]

Yeah chaos aspect is uh

[maiden narwhal]

i don't think that's very clear

[mint coral]

Not the best

[maiden narwhal]

beowulf is nice

[mint coral]

Beowulf is busted

Also it used to run charged/dashing flight before for runs lmao

It was +400% before

And no one knew how bugged this thing is

[maiden narwhal]

i'm coming back to the game after ages

i should've read the patch notes

is there any news on hades 2?

[mint coral]

Q2 this year for EA is all we have

[maiden narwhal]

and silksong is q4

nice

speaking of the rail, how does targetting work if you get rocket on your special?

[mint coral]

Shoot enemies point blank

[maiden narwhal]

i mean targetting the mod

[mint coral]

Yeab just realized

[maiden narwhal]

haha sorry my bad

[mint coral]

Uh iirc just shoot the enemy and they get the debuff

[maiden narwhal]

so it's not aoe anymore

or does it splash or what

[mint coral]

No clue

[maiden narwhal]

alright

[mint coral]

I haven't taken targeting in a while

[maiden narwhal]

yeah i didn't the gamble in styx gave it to me

[mint coral]

Did you get cluster at least

[maiden narwhal]

i sure didn't

[mint coral]

Rip

[maiden narwhal]

i lost to hades because of that

i am actually really sick of losing to hades

[mint coral]

Rocket/targeting + whatever atk hammer I assume

[maiden narwhal]

regardless of weapon or boon build, i have exactly the same playstyle

i think it's why i suck

[mint coral]

I mean it can be a build issue too

Low dmg stuff by ely/beyond just sucks to play

[maiden narwhal]

yeah sometimes the builds get op sometimes they hobble

a nice consistent middle ground would be nice

do you force your pairings, or just take what you get?

[mint coral]

There's a site pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat with a few builds

[mint coral]

Force usually

[maiden narwhal]

ah that's the difference

what heat level are you on?

i struggle beyond 3

[mint coral]

It also touches up on mechanics to help at building

[maiden narwhal]

i only have a couple of weapons on 4

[mint coral]

9 but cuz speedruns

[maiden narwhal]

gotdamn

[mint coral]

Can do 32 reliably at least

[maiden narwhal]

what do you get for speed runs?

other than a feeling of accomplishment?

[mint coral]

Bragging rights

And the fun of forgetting to record

[maiden narwhal]

loolol

watching dead cells speed runs on youtube

is insane

idk how anybody can get that good

[mint coral]

But for me speedruns was basically
I wanna get sub 10 cuz it looks like a big landmark

Then I got it and thought "I can get this lower"

Then just kept going

[maiden narwhal]

ten minutes wow

[mint coral]

High heag was similar

Just wanted the statue then thought that 40 didn't look bad

Then 45, then 50

[maiden narwhal]

haha there is content in this game i will never, ever see

[mint coral]

That said, the speedrun modpack does help with the feeling

[maiden narwhal]

someone on reddit posted a 100% achievement recently

how tf

[mint coral]

Cuz being stuck in reset hell is meh

[desert tundra]

I've just realized there's so many run clear messages I haven't seen, this game is awesome lol

[mint coral]

100% achievement is chill from what I've seen

Just grindy

[maiden narwhal]

doesn't it include all clears at highest heat levels?

[mint coral]

I think the most the achievements ask is 16 heat?

Last in game reward for heat is 32

And that one is not an achievement (in steam/similar platforms)

[maiden narwhal]

oh ok

roguelite indeed

[mint coral]

Sgg avoided stuff like that exactly for that reason

[maiden narwhal]

yeah i for one am really happy

i suck at platformers and roguelikes but they're my favourite genre

so something like hades is perfect

[mint coral]

Also for the funny

Max heat has only been completed on 1 weapon

And we have like only 2 theorical more

[maiden narwhal]

wym

like in the community?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[latent moon]

Yeah

[maiden narwhal]

that can't be right

[latent moon]

It def is

[void vigil]

It’s very very difficult

[maiden narwhal]

wow

that's like harder than pacman

[void vigil]

more enemies, less time, they hit harder, all bosses are powered up, etc etc

[latent moon]

The only other aspect that people are trying 64 on is rama and they're getting pretty close I believe

[void vigil]

Wow rlly

[maiden narwhal]

is it the bow?

[latent moon]

Yeah 2 players are grinding it I'm pretty sure

[void vigil]

Here’s hoping 🫡

[stone rune]

zeus shield

[maiden narwhal]

ah good

[void vigil]

Oh I meant the praying emoji but it’s fine I’m saluting the efforts

[maiden narwhal]

"hades is not a hack and slash it's a whack and smash"

because shield is best weapon?

[maiden narwhal]

if i had twitter that's what i'd tweet

i really hate that they have ranged weapons in this game

[void vigil]

Better to not have a twitter, it’s a really bad platform now

[maiden narwhal]

it sure is

[void vigil]

But… they’re the best

[maiden narwhal]

i play bow and rail exactly like i play sword and shield

[maiden narwhal]

found the cOUNTERsTRIKE camper

[void vigil]

the what

[mint coral]

Twitter is certainly a platform but I don't get to find that many artists easily

[mint coral]

Hey be glad you found the secret

All weapons are secretly melee

And I'm not joking

[maiden narwhal]

always

yep

i've been playing them like that from the v beginning

never stop dashing

[void vigil]

I never played that but u never know joy in the game until you play hera aspect for the bow with aphrodites cast

[mint coral]

Bow is funny being ranged but its top hammers want you at close range anyways

And rail uses tidal dash often do close range it is

[maiden narwhal]

the worst part about poseidon is the knockback

[mint coral]

Knockback is fine on dash

Attack is terrible

Cuz also has the lowest %

[maiden narwhal]

getting it on shield and then mod where they don't get knocked back is great

[mint coral]

Also dash/cast + breaking wave is hilarious on styx

[maiden narwhal]

but otherwise, never on weapon yeah

[maiden narwhal]

they just melt

zeus poseidon is so broken

on max zag sword

[mint coral]

(well is less the knockback itself, but tidal dash being the highest dmg one)

[maiden narwhal]

zoomzoom

dash or cast is the only thing i'll get poseidon on

and call is nice too

especially with sucking in

[mint coral]

The call is fun

Yeah yeah!

[maiden narwhal]

but aphrodite call is by far the best

[mint coral]

Rip current is hilarious

[maiden narwhal]

pulls them around corners and obstacles so mad funny

[maiden narwhal]

charm clears the entire screen

[latent moon]

oh yeah btw i remember you talked about how there's no animation canceling in the game but there's a few

[mint coral]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[maiden narwhal]

speaking of

skelly companion is terrible

if i can damage him what's the point

[maiden narwhal]

like?

[latent moon]

attacking/casting/dashing/special when reloading on rail cancels the reload animation and you can maintain mobility

or like hitting the buttons at the same time

[mint coral]

The only niche I think of is for erebus gates

[latent moon]

also when you special on sword, you can dash during it and land with the special

[maiden narwhal]

special dash will complete the special at the end of the dash?

[latent moon]

nah you land with special at the end of the dash

[maiden narwhal]

it was the first thing i maxed like an absolute idiot

what is best companion? boulder?

[latent moon]

battie

shady isn't too bad for meta game resources and healing, but battie is the best offensive one

even tho it does the least amount of damage out of antos and mort lol

[maiden narwhal]

i think that's what i said

i have to try that thanks

when do you stop going with 20% weapons and just use whatever you want?

[latent moon]

oh yeah that is i misinterpreted that lol

[latent moon]

whever you want tbh

if you have a full mirror then you can stop tbh

or like stop before if you're close

[maiden narwhal]

everything in contractor is cosmetic?

[mint coral]

I always ignore it if its a weapon I don't like on new files

20% isn't that much really

[steep condor]

cosmetic and for side stuff

[latent moon]

yeah pretty much all cosmetic

there's like 1 thing that isn't cosmetic

for darkness

[steep condor]

some of it is for story progression, like getting all the hearts for all characters, no?

not main story

[latent moon]

is that worth darkness

[steep condor]

oh. no

[latent moon]

it's been a while so i dont remember i only remember one of them lol

[steep condor]

don't you get more resources in general for darker thirst though?

[maiden narwhal]

hwhat a cliffhanger

[latent moon]

yeah but if you dont like the weapon or are bad at it then would it be worth it lmao

[maiden narwhal]

call this guy stallone

does everyone know how to get perfect in fishing?

[steep condor]

true. probably not, unless you are bad at every weapon

[latent moon]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

[maiden narwhal]

so that's a no

switch your use from e to left mouse

it's annoying having to switch and switch back

but you'll get perfect evry tim

tell nyaanya to include it it's an excellent protip

[desert tundra]

does atk spd affect gun reload speed

[mint coral]

No

[desert tundra]

[mint coral]

Atk speed is largely useless

Tho pulv blow shield with it can be funny (tho its most usual meme is flurry cursed slash I think)

[maiden narwhal]

no

literally just tried it

[maiden narwhal]

you wouldn't get it on rail?

[mint coral]

Nah

Hermes has much better stuff

Namely +dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery

[maiden narwhal]

i realised that ruthless reflex is much better

cause you can just get another dash from hermes and then you have the boost from near miss proccing almost constantly

[mint coral]

Greater reflex is better

[maiden narwhal]

why?

[mint coral]

Simply more reliably than "just get another dash"

[maiden narwhal]

you get at least 3 hermes attempts?

[mint coral]

Hidden fists use ruthless cuz it has +dashes by default

[maiden narwhal]

plus the rerolls

[maiden narwhal]

yeah, there you don't need hermes

[mint coral]

(along a few absolute weaknesses but still)

And shield on high heat can run ruthless too

[desert tundra]

Arthur

[maiden narwhal]

not including the styx shop im not sure tho

[mint coral]

Bullrush can make up for the lack of 2md dash

[mint coral]

2 hermes + the 50/50 at Styx

[maiden narwhal]

oh it's a 50/50 with the hammer

right

two hermes with two rerolls and a 50/50 hermes

they're decent odds, even if you get the dash really late

[mint coral]

But yeah the mobility you get from greater just ends up really more useful often

[maiden narwhal]

i do miss it

[mint coral]

Basically all weapons dash strike constantly so having 2 dashes on always is nice

[maiden narwhal]

but the boost is lovely once it's going well

[mint coral]

(high heat is also more complications so not the lost fair comparation) but for example bow and rail at some point straight up reset for hermes dash

Cuz otherwise is just

[maiden narwhal]

rn the only thing mildly difficult in the whole run is [some of] elysium

so i try to build for hades

i will switch back to greater, if you say it's better

i only played ruthless for the pact

but that took me like 4 runs to complete

and by then i was doing the hermes thing, so i figured i'd keep it on

i get the extra dash 4/5 times so it's worked on

not sure how much of a difference the near miss boost is making

[maiden narwhal]

epic swift strike + flurry fire

[mint coral]

You would run into zeus internal cooldown with that pretty sure

[maiden narwhal]

meaning my lighting is capped, regardless of my attack speed?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[maiden narwhal]

so lame

looks nice tho

[mint coral]

Zeus attack icd is 0.15 sec iirc

Lightning bolts (special, call, dash) is 0.2

The cooldown is why chiron zeus doesn't work

[mint coral]

Also I'm probably resetting before taking flurry

[maiden narwhal]

my other option was the damage one /:

[mint coral]

Hazard?

[maiden narwhal]

yeah

[mint coral]

I'd take it tbh

[maiden narwhal]

i'm using eris aspect so it's too much work

[mint coral]

Fair

And what was the third option anyways

[maiden narwhal]

pacted away

[mint coral]

Unless it was like spread fire it shou-

Ah

Approval process moment

[maiden narwhal]

last run, it took every single duo

[mint coral]

You were doing it for the prophecy I assume?

[maiden narwhal]

like it was programmed to

[maiden narwhal]

yes

[mint coral]

Ap is surprisingly mean

[maiden narwhal]

third attempt

[mint coral]

If you want to clear it with ease use hestia rail if you have it leveled it up

Just need atk and can clear fine

• most hammers work on it

[maiden narwhal]

nice thanks i'll try that next

i'm going to stop going with 20%

[mint coral]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/QQBmrZ8hstcZxjAybxwzwy7K9N3Hr4mz4XIAfrQ6x-Q/https/i.imgur.com/pFBSztd.mp4

Ap2 at it's finest

[maiden narwhal]

that's hilarious

[desert tundra]

I only took 3 gods into Styx and now I can get more than 4

stonks

[upper wolf]

family favorite goes brr

[sage sphinx]

I just got an incredibly silly pool of purging screen full of heroic boons lol

[desert tundra]

wait true, does that work? lmao

i have ff on

[mint coral]

Yeah it works lol

[upper wolf]

yeah, ff gives 5% per god. With the normal god pool of 4 + hermes you get 25%, but you get less before getting 4 pool and you can get more if you have a bigger god pool

[mint coral]

Ff can be 5% higher than priv status

(just y'know, at the cost of probably missing your build)

[desert tundra]

i mean, im running hestia with dr and hr

dont think I need a fourth god lmao

[rose badger]

how many tries does it take to get the "risk it all text"? I've done 40 runs specifically to talk to him and he hates me

[mint coral]

It can vary a lot

Short version on dialogue system is basically rng once the pre req for the dialogue is obtained

(just make sure you got everything for it and keep running)

[rose badger]

the heart should be locked until I recieve that message right?

[mint coral]

You need 1 more dialogue with nyx after it iirc

To get the contract to appear in work orders

[maiden narwhal]

when am i allowed to post screenshots?

i just stxy with no extra dash you jinxed it good

[mint coral]

Use embeds

[maiden narwhal]

i am a discord noob

i don't know what that means

[mint coral]

Post to another discord > right click then copy img link

Or use something like imgur

[maiden narwhal]

that's what y'all do?

[mint coral]

Yup

I just use a private discord for it

[latent moon]

i use carl bot dms lol

[stiff obsidian]

I use a private server for that too

[maiden narwhal]

ok so that didn't work

[stiff obsidian]

Copy the media link

Not the message link

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1202512762668982303/Screenshot_2024-02-01-12-46-16-62_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=65cdba48&is=65bb4548&hm=1e6d49e3d98b56e2d6c47b25032f41ef53c30ceccbaa0477a585cad5d1c30c1b&

[maiden narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888136584703131728/1202512773553070140/VID20240201101544.mp4?ex=65cdba4a&is=65bb454a&hm=b9687b4e685d2fa96957ee30a6aea34478d6901b89ffaa33b98cd02dbbcdded7&

success!

i'm the greatest

[maiden narwhal]

has anyone ever seen artemis cast do this?

it circled skelly for ages before it finally went away

[latent moon]

huh that's interesting lmao

i've never seen that before because i never use skelly

[mint coral]

I've seen support fire do that

[stiff obsidian]

Lol I've seen that happen before

[maiden narwhal]

i forgot he can take damage from zag, and maxed him immediately

now i'm stuck with 4 uses of useless

[latent moon]

free erebus wins lmao

i'd imagine it'd be useful in witches circle too

[maiden narwhal]

i just drop it at every styx final room

just in case poison

[latent moon]

that works too

[maiden narwhal]

then i forget i have it and hades kills me 🤌

[brisk trail]

..........

[mint coral]

Thanks bouldy

[maiden narwhal]

+❤️

[maiden narwhal]

empowering flight synergises with zeus shield to proc multiple times?

[dry mauve]

it doesnt work the way you want it to

you get the attack buff if the shield hits an enemy and then you catch it

so you can get a lot of attack buffs if you repeatedly do very short special throws and recalls but its still worse than if it just procced on every special hit

[maiden narwhal]

ah that's really sad

[maiden narwhal]

the language should specify this

it v clearly says hits

o well

[maiden narwhal]

i prefer to have it follow me like a puppy

so i guess never getting this mod on it again

[tepid light]

still one of the better hammers on zeus shield imo, but yeah

bit disappointing

On a different note, ARTHUR TIME, YEEEEE

[maiden narwhal]

wow
heightened security and asphodel is gg

i've never died so fast lol

[tepid light]

Alright time to finally bite the bullet and take the modifiers I don't like

[dry mauve]

I think so yeah
I mostly do short throws so it works fine

[tepid light]

Let's see how approval process treats me

[maiden narwhal]

if you play like a maniac who never stops dashing you have to force athena for heightened security

[tepid light]

OH COME ON

AND IT IMMEDIATELY MESSES ME UP

[dry mauve]

if i had a choice i would generally pick pulverizing blow
i know charged shot is technically better but its really hard to do all the micro necessary to maximize charge shot dps while also controlling the special

[tepid light]

I HATE THIS MODIFIER ALREADY

[dry mauve]

what heat are you on?

[maiden narwhal]

i put doom on it and then let it trail just behind me

[tepid light]

35

[dry mauve]

i dont think its worth turning on AP at that heat

AP and RI both remove a lot of control, so you have to do a lot more runs to get something workable

[tepid light]

What would you suggest

Keep in mind that I most likely have whatever you'd suggest on

[maiden narwhal]

git gud

[tepid light]

wat

[dry mauve]

what weapon?

[maiden narwhal]

a suggestion

[tepid light]

i clear the entire heat level on every weapon before increasing heat again so this wouldn't be relevant

I suppose I could just increase convenience fee

[dry mauve]

basically heat that you should typically avoid is:
EM4, HS, RI, AP

if you really want to do EM4 you can but it kind of stacks poorly with other heat and makes TD harder to do

some things are weapon specific

[tepid light]

haha oh boy you're one of the people who isn't aware of my pact and how i approach heat

[dry mauve]

like DC is very awkward for something like arthur or hestia

but some weapons find it not too bad

[tepid light]

lemme share my current pact with you

[dry mauve]

everything else is more or less fine to bump up as you increase the heat

[tepid light]

hard labor 5
lasting consequences 1
convenience fee 1
jury summons 3
extreme measures 4
calisthenics program 2
benefits package 2
middle management
forced overtime 1
heightened security
tight deadline 1

[dry mauve]

i would recommend turning off HS

its only one heat and its really bad if you mess up at all

EM4 I guess if you're into that you can keep

can probably get away with TD2 and decrease some of the other heat

[lavish sorrel]

Cali2 js3 TD1

Why

[dry mauve]

like CP2 is pretty rough

and is contributing a lot to slow clears

[tepid light]

we've been over this, SomeNoobDying summed it up pretty well for me:

i don't like modifiers that make zag weaker, i prefer ones that make enemies stronger

[maiden narwhal]

jury duty best mod

[tepid light]

i don't care about slow clears so much as i do about just clearing

given the circumstances of my pact

[dry mauve]

underworld customs is for the most part fine

its pretty free heat at your stage

just need to make sure to pick up a boon or two you dont mind selling

[lavish sorrel]

UC is always free heat until it isn't

[dry mauve]

can also turn on lasting consequences all the way if you want to increase heat

[wicked sage]

how many times to you need to die for persephone to tell you you need to give out invitations

[tepid light]

i could also increase convenience fee maybe

[lavish sorrel]

SD supremacy

[dry mauve]

but yeah, I would heavily recommend you avoid routine inspection and approval process
increase anything else first

those two heat options are the most unfun

[tepid light]

eh sure yknow what let's just go into convenience fee 2

[stiff obsidian]

uc is only a problem when you use RI

[maiden narwhal]

so always boiling over abyssal?

[tepid light]

i meant for the pact

mirror talents are w/e

[maiden narwhal]

ah

[maiden narwhal]

at your level it doesn't matter?

and i know you were referring to pact
but it's the same logic, right?

i still can't finish heat 4 reliably

so for me, which would be better?

maybe i should just farm blood

[lavish sorrel]

Well, what are you using right now?

(Pact settings, mirror, aspect)

[maiden narwhal]

yeah see, explosive return specifies on catch

empowering flight should too

[maiden narwhal]

hang on I will tell you

pact is overtime, security, deadline; i'm still clearing the prophecy

mirror is abyssal blood, family favourite

aspect is zeus shield

[lavish sorrel]

learning Tight Deadline is a good idea

Not a fan of forced overtime myself, but it is one of the most useful heats to learn too so definitely keep that on

Turn off heightened security though

That stuff is dangerous

[maiden narwhal]

the very second i clear it, yeah

i'm still trying to each one once

if i had it my way i'd do max jury duty and whichever one gives them hp

calisthenics i think

[lavish sorrel]

NO

SEIZE

[maiden narwhal]

idk how jury duty is even considered a bad thing

it gives you gold

[lavish sorrel]

Jury summons is a problem because it makes rooms longer

• rooms can give a maximum amount of gold

So having too many enemies does not serve you any good

And calisthenics is even worse because it affects boss HP too

The faster you kill enemies, the less time they havw to kill you

[tepid light]

Alex I really wanna see you play my pact

Just to see how that goes

[maiden narwhal]

i never care about finish time so the longer clear time didn't matter

but max gold is wtf

[lavish sorrel]

Ok will do when I come back home this evening

[maiden narwhal]

hm

ok

wow i cannot with heightened security

i think this needs the rail

bomb everybody

no the one where my dropped cast shoots lighting

hide in a corner

[stiff obsidian]

show

ill play it

[maiden narwhal]

you guys stream your runs?

[stiff obsidian]

if there was a vc here i could

[maiden narwhal]

seeing how well streamers play would just depress me

[wicked sage]

||how to complete the queen's plan?|| (SPOILERS)

[tepid light]

posted it earlier

[stiff obsidian]

can you link it

[lavish sorrel]

Sometimes

[tepid light]

hard labor 5
lasting consequences 2
convenience fee 1
jury summons 3
extreme measures 4
calisthenics program 2
benefits package 2
middle management
forced overtime 1
heightened security
tight deadline 1

[desert tundra]

[tepid light]

i'm just curious how people who hate things like extreme measures and calisthenics program deal with my pact

it's hardly unbeatable either way ofc

i'm still a heat baby

[desert tundra]

does Pulv blow + pos attack make kb effects just not work

[tepid light]

i haven't tested that but i'm pretty sure pulverizing blow just removes the base shield knockback on attack

[lavish sorrel]

HL5 HS EM4 still terrifies me

[tepid light]

don't think it would invalidate a boon

[tepid light]

ah yes there's the terror i wanted

[lavish sorrel]

Yes, poseidon still works iirc

[desert tundra]

i shall try it then (if i get it)

if it doesnt work i simply press give up button

[stiff obsidian]

nice 55+ heat pact

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah that's even more than 50 heat difficulty imo

[tepid light]

thanks

ngl i take pride in how horrifying people find my pact

i am a real gamer

[stiff obsidian]

i dont think i can beat that

[lavish sorrel]

Note to self: don't take heat pact advice from this user called "asian" from sggcord

[tepid light]

or do, if you wanna be a real gamer like me

[lavish sorrel]

Real gamers play freshfile

[desert tundra]

Real gamers play Arthur

[lavish sorrel]

(If this sounded condescending it wasn't intentional )

[lavish sorrel]

It does go zoom at the speed of snail, this is true

[desert tundra]

just get flurry slash

[lavish sorrel]

What flurry slash

[desert tundra]

Arthur flurry slash duh

no one takes it though... I wonder why

[upper wolf]

truly one of mystery of all time

[steep condor]

this is like me sticking to hell mode for no good reason

[maiden narwhal]

seriously how tf do you even beat hades like that

do his casts count as traps?

[lavish sorrel]

No

His pots do though

[maiden narwhal]

am i always guaranteed two hammers before styx?

like if i chaos gate, or path a boon instead, will the hammer show up later?

or is it possible to miss it?

[lavish sorrel]

It is possible to miss, yes

[maiden narwhal]

oh damn ok

[lavish sorrel]

However, the game really wants you to have two hammers by dad so it will keep reappearing every so often

[maiden narwhal]

ok nice. so you have to work hard to miss it

[upper wolf]

or be unlucky

https://tenor.com/view/bored-girl-sleepy-sleep-drag-gif-8260386

[brisk trail]

..........

[maiden narwhal]

thanks bouldy

if I knew how to do a little nectar thingy i would

[void vigil]

there u go

[rustic vale]

I mean speedrun.com is right there

[maiden narwhal]

how many of you play with a gamepad?

if it's even set up for that idk

[void vigil]

there's a role for it, you can apply it too in #server-roles

controller is actually recommended over kbm

but i like kbm

[maiden narwhal]

that's a lie tho

[void vigil]

?

[maiden narwhal]

controller is impossible

[void vigil]

im pretty sure it says on the main menu that controller is recommended

[maiden narwhal]

i mean
maybe

but it's infinitely harder with one

i can't imagine people playing with the same fluidity with a controller as i can with a keyboard and mouse

if i tried for a thousand years i couldn't

[void vigil]

im very bad with controllers so i play kbm, a lot of people grew up with consoles and controllers so its clear they would find it easier

[maiden narwhal]

i bought an xbox controller recently

thought it would open up my gaming experience (and also my keyboard stopped working properly)

biggest waste of money on earth

and made me hate gaming

i could handle pitfall on the atari

and i can handle mario on
like the original nes controllers that had two buttons, a and b

beyond that it became too difficult

[steep condor]

it's just about what you are used to, there's no inherent difference in difficulty

[maiden narwhal]

it can't be equal

take fps for example

when i play fps i move, aim, jump, strafe, and shoot, all at the same time

how is that possible with a controller

[steep condor]

this is about hades

[maiden narwhal]

ok so the bow or rail

how do you move and aim and dash at the same time?

i played darksiders fine with the controller until i got to the boss that you need to kill with a ranged weapon

then i was stuck forever

[lavish sorrel]

I remember hearing controller has got some good autoaim

[steep condor]

it uses auto aim, which is fine for hades

[stiff obsidian]

you cant move and dash at the same time

in the game

what

[maiden narwhal]

ok well i guess i always have the buttons held down

but like

i move in one direction and aim in another

everyone must do that

how do they do it fluidly with controller

maybe it's muscle memory

but i cant picture it

[stiff obsidian]

because you dont play controller

[maiden narwhal]

i wish i did

it's obviously superior, if it's recommended

[stiff obsidian]

both are equal

[maiden narwhal]

when steamers do speed/custom runs for dead cells they have a little icon showing which buttons are being pressed and how fast

is it like that for hades too

is that a streamer thing in general?

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[maiden narwhal]

cool

[lavish sorrel]

That's a stream / recording thing, yes

[stiff obsidian]

streamer thing

[maiden narwhal]

it's like fkn magic to me

i cant even finish god of war bosses

cause i'm like damn which one is triangle

too late

[void vigil]

i enjoyed playing hades on steam deck and switch

it felt more intuitive than i expected bc im not a controller person

[steep condor]

yeah you're definitely not supposed to think about that every time, you learn it and get used to it. it's muscle memory like you said

if you played a lot on controller, you'd be able to learn it too, i'm sure

[maiden narwhal]

yes, i can type without looking at the keyboard, even though i never learned typing/fingering

after a while my fingers just knew where all the keys were

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078128914146279456/1202611774680207390/image.png?ex=65ce167e&is=65bba17e&hm=768720908663070d0db634161f79c76581b3b749cf5078df54e17af04d25e060&

vroom

[maiden narwhal]

like i said, i tried so hard, and it made me cry

[wicked sage]

whats the minimum amount of gods to complete the queen's plan

I heard it was 6 or smth

[mint coral]

6 gods yeah

And demeter counts as one once you reach her lock

[steep condor]

yeah i'd imagine it's more frustrating if you start from a higher skill level on keyboard / mouse and then feel like you can't do anything on controller

[covert hare]

I beated em4 hades and after that varatea was dropping blood

Is it because of em4? Or happens everytime you beat hades

[upper wolf]

it's when you have a higher heat than your previous clear with that weapon

[covert hare]

How odd that I never noticed

[maiden narwhal]

people at 30+ heat, do you play the same sort of meta build repeatedly?

and doesn't it get tedious?

[mint coral]

For like 32 you can pretty much ball with anything

[stiff obsidian]

after a point you play for the clear not to have fun with the build rly

[mint coral]

40 some aspects start getting capped

Then higher you are more often looking out for the build than playing the build

[maiden narwhal]

ok so it just becomes about speed runs

[stiff obsidian]

the mentality sort of i guess

[mint coral]

Tho even for 50/higher there are people who try stuff like all beo flares or different specials in zeus

[stiff obsidian]

those people are built different

[mint coral]

Also true

[covert hare]

I would still use random bs at 50/higher

Im just build like that

[mint coral]

Then we also have damue

Wait wrong person

Retrash

[stiff obsidian]

more like the build be like that 😩

iykwim

[mint coral]

A fun game is looking at a boon list from a win of theirs and try to guess the weapon

[covert hare]

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1164072628819071048/image.png?ex=65cc4f9e&is=65b9da9e&hm=49d541900e44af01922631983726fb89d7f32e9cc75793ba9c6958f17c8a5b22&

Take your guesses

[stiff obsidian]

fists

[rose roost]

rama

[mint coral]

What aspect

[stiff obsidian]

talos or zag

[rose roost]

it's fists???

[stiff obsidian]

dont know

[mint coral]

Gilga

[stiff obsidian]

wtf

[rose roost]

💀💀

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/h_qk1TgCEfA

Did I mention he always does em4

[lavish sorrel]

retrash kinda good apparently, yeah

[stiff obsidian]

cuz why not

[maiden narwhal]

do you agree you need a mouse 4 to play this game?

[effectively]

[stiff obsidian]

i must tie their eris pb

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[lavish sorrel]

I mean people've played the game on several different control schemes before, anything from mouse only, keyboard only ("croven binds"), controller, keyboard and mouse, controller and mouse
so really, it's whatever works best for you

[maiden narwhal]

good

then controller and pc are not equal

because all controllers are the same, but not all mouses come with a 4

[stiff obsidian]

with a 4

?

[maiden narwhal]

4th button

you need a gamer mouse for that

[lavish sorrel]

no you don't need a 4th mouse button LOL

[stiff obsidian]

i play on a 2 button mouse on a tiny ass mac keyboard and im doing quite fine if i say so myself

[maiden narwhal]

you do to play it effectively

[rose roost]

yea you def don't need it

nah

[lavish sorrel]

wdym "effectively", I speedrun and challenge-run this game. is that effective enough?

[maiden narwhal]

maybe it's just a me problem but using default keys is not nearly as good

i can't hit q with the same dexterity i can hit aswderf

[stiff obsidian]

practice/rebind

[rose roost]

^

[maiden narwhal]

there's no rebind that works

[void vigil]

I don’t use MB4 to play games usually, the only 2 keys I rebound in hades were reload to MMB and codex to tab

[maiden narwhal]

and no practice that works

[stiff obsidian]

q has been slightly problematic for some people

[lavish sorrel]

gamer strat is obviously to grow longer fingers to have an easier time playing kbm

[rose roost]

yea fr sure but I bind it to cast when I don't use castvoften

[maiden narwhal]

i can reach an octave and a second on a piano. i have ridiculously long fingers

but hitting q goes against the grain

idk how to explain it

[stiff obsidian]

i just played a few rama games with attack on q and special on mouse1

lmao

like an hour ago

[void vigil]

most normal keybinds

[stiff obsidian]

with attack at cursor off

too

[maiden narwhal]

i used to do that but it wasn't enough

because i play all weapons melee i hit attack cast and special more or less equally

[covert hare]

Guys I just had a great idea

[rose roost]

high heat players slowly going insane

[stiff obsidian]

nah i was trying to get a sub9 😩

[maiden narwhal]

this works fine if for cast and special, one is mouse 4 (right thumb) and one is right click

but impossible if one is q

[covert hare]

“ can you beat hades as a pacifist? “ the only way to do damage is using traps and boons that make enemies get hurt when hitting you

[void vigil]

People have done revenge boon runs