h1-discussion

[deep glade]

I do like to try new weapon aspects and builds, but I've realized that I depend on the shields block way too much

furthest I've gotten without it is to the end boss with nemesis on 5 heat (only because I'm playing on hell mode)

[jagged hamlet]

Privileged Status is kinda butt because it takes a minimum of two attacks to proc (by which point most smol enemies should be mostly dead), and 40% additive after two attacks isn't really much more than 20-25% always active

[drowsy linden]

killed charon with 3 very dumb hits

on zagshield

[marsh lily]

cold embrace is a terriable duo boon but is one of the best for easy boss killing

[drowsy linden]

sadly its not

hunting blades is just cooler

although beam is still quite strong

[marsh lily]

i got for bloodstones + cast damage up because of chaos and i just go into a boss room use flurry cast go behind the boss and shred bosses

[drowsy linden]

real damage

[marsh lily]

Mirage Shot is cracked

[rustic vale]

It’s kind of good on some builds, namely hangover builds (since you’ll pretty much always hangover+weak) but family favourite is typically better even in that case

The extra first hit damage is just really valuable to hit breakpoints

[drowsy linden]

beo without family favorite and 2 gods is painful in tart

specials barely dont kill witches

[rustic vale]

It’s hit 2 buttons and deal damage

It’s not that hard

[karmic mason]

how dare you?

[latent moon]

does fiery presence not kill them

[karmic mason]

have you been sitting on that for days

[rustic vale]

zeus requires more brain power to properly position the special anyways

-> a zeus player

[karmic mason]

have you been sitting on that reply for days

[rustic vale]

no I’ven’t

[karmic mason]

I'm playing hollow knight get out of my house

[drowsy linden]

no

[latent moon]

huh

[drowsy linden]

with 1 god i think they have 1 health

[stone rune]

no they will kill with 1 god

or hc

no hc 0 gods is 78

[rustic vale]

But like squaters rights

I’m not paying rent either btw

[latent moon]

yeah i was double checking the math and fiery alone is 78.75, witches have 80

so literally 1 god would solve the problem

or high confidence

[rustic vale]

Watching your gameplay rn and

I think you should reset the run

It’s not wr record pace

and hasn’t been for like 40 hours

[wide trench]

tem algum br ?

[rustic vale]

…I’m not sure what language that is tbh

[stone rune]

i mean

given the part where it has br at the end

[drowsy linden]

its chinese

[rustic vale]

The only language I speak is Hades sorry

[karmic mason]

reset your dad
owned

[covert hare]

Eenherhehfgge

( Charon language )

[drowsy linden]

damn bow sucks with kbm

[rustic vale]

Nah

I’d win

[mint coral]

we all know how that ended up

[karmic mason]

your pfp suggests otherwise

[rustic vale]

My pfp doesn’t represent me, it represents a hivemind

We’d win

[untold onyx]

Does the game ever confirm who the narrator/old man is? I would say it's just narration but Zag responds sometimes so there's some crossover

[tepid light]

I don't believe it does, no

[untold onyx]

Dang

[stiff obsidian]

I wonder if it'd be the same guy narrating Hades ||

[jagged hamlet]

It's hinted that it's the person depicted in the Old Man Bust. Maybe

[sudden sonnet]

Can I transfer any progress from steam onto ps5, I used to play on my Mac but now I play on ps5

[granite ether]

unfortunately no, you cannot transfer saves between mac and ps5

[silk stone]

whats the best aspect for the bow

[rose roost]

Rama and hera

[silk stone]

ok

[silk stone]

woawhaaw i do 1.5k damage with just one attack of Rama

using artemis' crit chance

and special

[weary gorge]

Does the satyr sack ever spawn in the 2nd room if it's a skull room?

[steep condor]

think i've had that happen a lot but online says it's unlikely so i may be misremembering. it is possible though

[granite ether]

yes, it can spawn in any room (after you've cleared the first)

[steep condor]

just did em1 the first time this playthrough and it was a lot easier than i remembered. literally only took seconds.

hardest part about meg fights still is fighting the sexual tension🥲

[granite ether]

I've forgotten the specifics, but it has a chance to appear after x many chambers (x being high enough so it never spawns in the first lot of rooms)

[stone rune]

Styx wings can be either 4 or 5 chambers long (including the final room). After 3 rooms, the end rooms (mini boss or combat + satyr sack) are added to the pool of eligible next rooms. This means you can simply roll the next room to be the miniboss or roll it to be a sack. Separately, for each room where the sack is an eligible next room, roll to see if the sack is forced. This forcing roll is the 25% chance I referenced in the last episode. That means that the second wing of Styx plays out like this:

• room 1
• room 2
• room 3
• roll for sack rng - 25% chance
  - if succeed -> room 4 is sack
  - if fail, roll for next room - 18% chance to get mini boss, 6% to get sack. 76% to get another small room
• if room 4 was miniboss / combat chamber, wing is over
• if room 4 was a small room, then roll for sack rng - 25%
  - if succeed -> room 5 is sack
  - if fail, roll for next room - 75% to get miniboss, 25% to get sack

Confusing huh? Overall this should be about a 54.4% chance to get 2 sack. "2 sack mentality" plays have the same odds.

[deep glade]

...

what?

my tiny pea brain cannot comprehend this

[steep condor]

it means that there's a chance of 1 in 4 that the second door ends in a sack after 3 rooms. it's most likely you get another regular room however, and then you get another chance of 1 in 4 for the sack but a much higher chance for a mini boss

tl;dr it is possible and to get a sack in the second door but not likely

what do they mean by "2 sack mentality" though

[stone rune]

that is not the case lol

its a 54% chance of a 2 saxk

anyways 2sm is taking a non miniboss door for 2nd pathway

and hoping u hust get the sack

since non miniboss combats are wya way way worse than muniboss ones in styx

but if u want the rrward you want the reward

[steep condor]

by "2 sack" do you mean a sack in the second door? idgi

[stone rune]

a sack in the second path u tale

[steep condor]

by 1 in 4 chance i meant this: "roll for sack rng - 25% chance"

i didn't do the math of how much it is overall bc math is for machines, not me

[steep condor]

ah ok, thx

[stone rune]

read the whole thing

[steep condor]

i did, but i also have tiny pea brain. i thought it says after three rooms in the second path, you get a 25% chance for a sack, if that fails another 6%. after that, if you get a small room, you get another 25% chance at the sack but a much higher chance at a mini boss. so, it's possible to get a satyr sack but it is way more likely to get a mini boss

if it means sth else the issue is not with me not reading

[upper wolf]

nah it's more likely to get a sack than a combat

probabilities be like that

you could make a probability tree to make it clearer I guess

Want me to doodle something on paint ? Wouldn't take long, but I'm not sure it's worth the bother for both of us :p

[crimson pollen]

do we have server hosted game-giveaways here?

been watching a lot of hades on yt but cant buy the game yet lol

[upper wolf]

not that I know of, sadly

Maybe try some content creators instead ? But finding a giveaway is a tall ask in any case

[crimson pollen]

yeah that's true

[white path]

What exactly are the conditions for seeing hermes in a tartarus shop?

[upper wolf]

being lucky

maybe having taken a daedalus hammer beforehand increases the chances, but I have no idea

[white path]

I just picked up the diamond, ran to the stairs, realised I forgot to pick up the gems, quit out, re-entered the save and the gems are gone :(

[upper wolf]

F

didn't even know it worked like that

[steep condor]

trust me, it's not worth it thanks for simply writing it out like "it's more likely to get a sack" though bc that's the important info here

[rustic vale]

More than half the time you should get 2 sack

(Second tunnel sack)

[silk stone]

which aspect of the shield is the best aspect

[rustic vale]

beo >= zeus > zag > chaos

[silk stone]

beo is the best?

nvm

chaos is the best right

fhfdhsjfjskdfk

[raw herald]

Yes

[silk stone]

isnt it like really slow to charge up

[winter plaza]

cshot beo

[rustic vale]

Cshot makes it all go away

Aka charged shot

[silk stone]

wgats cshot

[winter plaza]

charged shot hammer

[silk stone]

using daedalus hammer?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[silk stone]

oh

after i get beo ill see

[winter plaza]

i think you usually get Aphro cast, right?

[silk stone]

how to use zeus aspect properly

like the special

its tricky

[rustic vale]

Pos casr

[winter plaza]

positioning plays heavily

[silk stone]

hrm

[winter plaza]

but zeus special core is good on it im pretty sure

[rustic vale]

Zeus special positioning is definitely a skill thing

[winter plaza]

grab jolted and dstrike too?

[rustic vale]

Static Discharge and then just more zeus boons if possible

and you can always pick up aphrodite strike and either zeus or dionysus call from there

For smouldering air with good damage

[silk stone]

is curse of nausea good? the duo boon for ares and dion

[stiff obsidian]

It does what it says

[iron haven]

i took a long break from hades and just started a new file. i just defeated hades with the chaos aspect. i dont have it maxxed out but i can get it to second to last level. but i think id rather get 1 aspect on each weapon to farm with first. so whats the best way to farm titans bloo early? should i just max 1 aspect and grind that? or should i put a few levels in each weapon and get titans blood by completing those weapons?

tl;dr: whats the best way to farm titans blood early game?

[true oak]

imho it doesn't matter how you get titan's blood, just play lots

but you should be economical in how you spend it

you can place it to open hidden aspects if you want

unlock aspects that are good at low level

[iron haven]

yeah but like is it best to max one aspect and grind heat with that or get a few levels in several weapons with good low level aspect? i kinda forget how heat works. if i complete 10 heat with shield, can i still get titans blood from 10 heat with a different weapon?

[true oak]

yes bounties apply separately for each different weapon

it depends whether you want to challenge yourself with heat i guess, or try out a variety of weapons

i would go for variety

[iron haven]

so does that mean maxxing one aspect and farm with that weapon or going for low level in several aspects?

[rustic vale]

It’s like a 37.5% boost to hangover damage

[true oak]

i think your priority should just be to have fun with lots of different aspects

[iron haven]

cool thx

[true oak]

it's really not that important though

[silk stone]

whats the highest percentage you can get for your movement speed from hermes haste boon

[lavish sorrel]

heroic greater haste is 50%, I think?

it increases by 10 with every rarity

[rustic vale]

Yeah

At best it’s half a hypersprint

They do stack multiplicatively though

[lavish sorrel]

and greater haste is a "permanent" speed buff, same as ichors!

this means it will give bonus damage to RD no matter what.
RD only takes the strongest "temporary" speed buff as bonus damage, but all "permanent" ones

[stiff obsidian]

hyperprint is clearly superior because of sturdy

[opaque fable]

curse of flooding did not work like i expected on beo

[stiff obsidian]

[rustic vale]

That uh

isn’t anything like anything I’ve ever heard

[lavish sorrel]

well, it's true. I was surprised the first time I was told it too.

[rustic vale]

it isn’t total mv speed bonus?

[lavish sorrel]

nope

[rustic vale]

Oh wait

[mint coral]

Yeah I remember dad call and hyper sprint don't exactly cooperate for rd

[rustic vale]

ichors are “permanent”

Dad call and hs don’t cooperate

but does second wind not either?

[lavish sorrel]

second wind does not

neither does sudden rush

wait no

[rustic vale]

[lavish sorrel]

wrong hammer

ferocious guard, that's the one

[mint coral]

Ferocious?

[rustic vale]

Still

[lavish sorrel]

anyhow yw

[winter plaza]

Lernie is still consistently the hardest boss for me

it's odd how it still remains prevalent

my recklessness plays a massive part

[upper wolf]

yeah lernie is tough

[mint coral]

Lernie tax real

[opaque fable]

i find that i dont really struggle vs lernie unless i get really bad head combos

[upper wolf]

the moment you're on a melee weapon and every head starts slamming non stop

[opaque fable]

wow no wonder half of these duo boons i still haven't got yet

my god they suck

[stiff obsidian]

furies are the hardest boss 💯

[deep glade]

💀

[opaque fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190800419203584095/1192140361875865672/image.png?ex=65a7fe3b&is=6595893b&hm=e582700a61ae232f1760d2fe3f4fa405dee90cf64fa7a7e925e3df6923f6ae6c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671

wasn't this a dialogue someone here was working to get

[deep glade]

uh, yeah

[drowsy linden]

true

[stiff obsidian]

like 90% of my deaths are to furies

[deep glade]

Right here

[lavish sorrel]

just like tartarus is the hardest biome, 90% of resets happen in tartarus

[deep glade]

most of my deaths are to magma in the first room of asphodel, cause I reset a bunch for more dialogue and to gift people nectar 💀

The amount of gems and keys I've traded is insane

[stiff obsidian]

i was fr tho i die to furies in most of my runs

[autumn root]

i f********* hate lava

[steep condor]

one more question about satyr sacks. are the chances to get it changed on the runs when you don't have to fight the fourth boss?

[deep glade]

Isn't the satyr sack always at the end of the second path you take?

[mint coral]

Highly likely but nah

[steep condor]

megaera said "hold still for me" and i almost did

[deep glade]

[novel oak]

Around 56% it’s at the second door.

Then something like 33% 4% 1.4%

[steep condor]

wait, aren't you the other pea brained person? someone explained the possibility thing to me today after you asked

[deep glade]

I think i'm the pea brain who didn't understand

I don't recall asking about the odds

goes to show how small my brain really is 💀

[lavish sorrel]

It's about 54.4 as far as I've heard

[steep condor]

at least you just said you don't understand, unlike me who thought they got it but got it wrong

[lavish sorrel]

in the words of ellomenop

Myth: Styx Wings can be longer or shorter based on the enemies you get.
Result: Busted
Explanation:
Styx wings can be either 4 or 5 chambers long (including the final room). After 3 rooms, the end rooms (mini boss or combat + satyr sack) are added to the pool of eligible next rooms. This means you can simply roll the next room to be the miniboss or roll it to be a sack. Separately, for each room where the sack is an eligible next room, roll to see if the sack is forced. This forcing roll is the 25% chance I referenced in the last episode. That means that the second wing of Styx plays out like this:

• room 1
• room 2
• room 3
• roll for sack rng - 25% chance
  - if succeed -> room 4 is sack
  - if fail, roll for next room - 18% chance to get mini boss, 6% to get sack. 76% to get another small room
• if room 4 was miniboss / combat chamber, wing is over
• if room 4 was a small room, then roll for sack rng - 25%
  - if succeed -> room 5 is sack
  - if fail, roll for next room - 75% to get miniboss, 25% to get sack

Confusing huh? Overall this should be about a 54.4% chance to get 2 sack. "2 sack mentality" plays have the same odds.

[deep glade]

...

what are styx wings?

[lavish sorrel]

synonym for tunnel I think

[deep glade]

oh

[novel oak]

Oh nice find

[lavish sorrel]

calculations by Pseudo
54.4%,29.8%,12.8%,2.9% for 2/3/4/5
you'll notice it doesn't quite add up to 100% but that comes from rounding

[steep condor]

when you get a curse of chaos and also immediately forget about it and hit cast / attack / special / throw yourself into the next trap

[lavish sorrel]

/ waste time looking at room rewards but then nothing shows up because enshrouded

/ pick up a gold coin room reward with pauper's

[mint coral]

Or purge a boon with pauper

[latent moon]

If the pauper count is at 1 you can take a gold room since the curse expires as soon as the encounter ends and not when you leave the room

[drowsy linden]

but urns of wealth

[latent moon]

you can break them after you clear the room

[iron haven]

im really bad with the sword, whats the best build for nemesis sword?

[lavish sorrel]

always works

alternatively, poseidon dash, artemis attack, aphrodite special for heart rend, then stack a bunch of attack- and dahstrike-buffs from Chaos

[stiff obsidian]

me when i break the pot in the chaos chamber after picking pauper curse

[iron haven]

which is more consistant?

[lavish sorrel]

definitely the latter

if you get poseidon dash you pretty much have a build already

[stiff obsidian]

aphro attack much better

[lavish sorrel]

true, that, forgor

[iron haven]

so aphro attack and special or someone else on special like idk athena or smth

[lavish sorrel]

no, you want one artemis core, one aphrodite core, and poseidon dash

[stiff obsidian]

ddash feels better

[lavish sorrel]

definitely agree, but for soup splash is better

divine dash would be for

[stiff obsidian]

imagine aphro atack artemis cast athena special and dash zeus call with heart rend deadly reversal splitting bolt and lightning rod

[lavish sorrel]

smair

[stiff obsidian]

oh i forgot to list that

yeah

[iron haven]

so i go for poseidon dash, aphro attack, athena dash and artemis cast?

[lavish sorrel]

nah, I'd recommend artemis on the attack or special. what false side mentioned here is the ultimate highroll with that strategy

[iron haven]

so artemis and aphro on special and attack (one on either) with poseidon dash and hope for duo boons?

[lavish sorrel]

pretty much, yeah. of course, chances are, you won't be coming across everything mentioned here, but as a general rule of thumb try to scale as much as possible off of your attack's base damage and critical hits

so this means getting all the tier 2 artemis boons in the universe pretty much, since she's all about those critical hits

[mint coral]

Remember to visit chaos

[lavish sorrel]

chaos is like 50% of your scaling here, yeah

[upper wolf]

I always try to go for the dumb "oops all duos" build of deadly reversal + heart rend + smair + rod + whatever I can get on top of that from zeus and arte and athena

It's basically never happened

but 99% of gamblers stop before hitting it big

[stiff obsidian]

true

[iron haven]

i got aphro attack lv 4 now (common rarity but in asphodel so hoping to upgrade that), blue artemis dash and now i have the option to take poseidon special or call. what do i do here?

[upper wolf]

artemis dash doesn't open heart rend

it's literally the only core boon that doesn't

[deep glade]

rip

[upper wolf]

I still love it personally

But heart rend is better

[stiff obsidian]

dont take poseidon special

[upper wolf]

Also I dislike poseidon special and call, but call is more useful ime

[deep glade]

I tend to always pick up artemis call and cast

all her other boons be damned

[upper wolf]

those are literally the worst artemis boons

I love them too

well, kinda

artemis call is... not good in most cases

[deep glade]

Really? I've done up to 12 heat and her call is what got me through asphodel right to the final boss

[upper wolf]

artemis cast is basically just basic cast upgraded. It also opens some duos if you want deadly reversal or heart rend on nem and zagbow

[upper wolf]

Yeah 12 heat is not that much, you don't need to squeeze every once of optimization. And arte call is just kinda D tier, it's not useless

honestly C tier if you 5000IQ it I think

[deep glade]

So who would be a good call option?

[upper wolf]

using it as iframes and/or getting crazy god gauge fill

zeus and dionysus

[deep glade]

Yeah, I only use her call when my gauge is full

[upper wolf]

how do you fill the gauge in asphodel normal rooms ?

[stiff obsidian]

play eris

[deep glade]

Who?

[iron haven]

ok so i take the poseidon boon that just gives me some healing and darkness and hope to get his dash and artemis special soon?

[upper wolf]

also in normal rooms half the arrows tend to go to who knows where (probably curb your asphodel) after trying to hit a dude that died to another arrow

so you end up wasting a lot of your full call

[deep glade]

I just deal damage and rely on zeus special + dionysus privileged status through normal encounters, and use artemis call in bosses

[upper wolf]

sounds good enough to me 🤷‍♂️

[upper wolf]

see, arte call is useless in normal room

[deep glade]

for me at least, it carries asterius, I suck at fighting him

[upper wolf]

zeus and dio are great in normal rooms too, on top of bosses

You can probably fill the gauge against asterius yeah

Sounds like a good use case

... Though I'm not entirely sure it's more damage than zeus or dio

[deep glade]

Use battie to get him down to second phase, and then unleash artimes to finish him off

[upper wolf]

I guess it's more burst if you truly hate the second phase

[wary iron]

It’s sudden damage and that’s why I like it, it doesn’t risk wasting call energy when hades suddenly uses darkness

[mint coral]

I mean that doesn't matter with zeus or dio cuz it justs lesser calls

[deep glade]

and unless theseus has demeter to help him, I can take him out easy peasey

[iron haven]

well... i was forced to take a zeus boon and i can choose his special, cast or dash... so just take his cast ig?

[mint coral]

And if you don't want to waste them just wait until dad does the darkness

He can't repeat it for like 4 moves after it

[wary iron]

Yeah I forgot

[upper wolf]

hades using darkness while the arrows fly be like

[mint coral]

Other thing about greaters is the usual "released and the boss phased too early"

[wary iron]

That’s pain, especially cause for a time all my builds depended on it

[mint coral]

Also arti call mg w/o poms is kinda sad

[deep glade]

I really don't see that as an issue, other than the champion fight getting them both to second phase

[mint coral]

And if you get unlucky and barely crits

[mint coral]

The issue is that most of the dmg would go to waste

[deep glade]

ohhh yeah I get it now

my bad, I misunderstood

[mint coral]

Is a common mistake that ofc can be fixed by remembering when the ohase bubble is about to come

[stiff obsidian]

arty max call is like, one arty flourish clockets volley

[upper wolf]

yeah but what if you crit every arrow, just like I do all the time in game trust me dw source : uhhh hypnos told me

[stiff obsidian]

but less crit chance

[mint coral]

At least aphro call is another meg

And still has some niche use as lesser calls

[upper wolf]

meg that you can't use on fight start is not a real meg imo

[stiff obsidian]

dont arty small calls charge faster

[upper wolf]

yeah

uses 20% gauge instead of 25%

[mint coral]

Yeah it has 5 bars

[wary iron]

Yeah but me bad at rail (I still don’t get how I’m supposed to use it and I refuse to learn it, so I live in my own world that consists only of ME and MS)

[deep glade]

Even in the runs I don't get artemis cast I just hope that my zeus shield with privileged status drains bosses while I hide behind it

[stiff obsidian]

i play kbm so its basically blindfold hold attack and spam dash

[opaque fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190800419203584095/1192195941445419120/image.png?ex=65a831fe&is=6595bcfe&hm=b9791c2c728bfa0b3bffdbfe49f72b5463168864c72c52b9c629debcb182198a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671 lets do this

[deep glade]

and me borrowing money from charon to buy extra death defiances

[wary iron]

Sounds easy probably still is difficult

[deep glade]

ok now do it on 64 heat

[opaque fable]

WTF

dad bugged out and lasered me through a pillar???

[nocturne kelp]

Dad had enough

[opaque fable]

https://streamable.com/189mtz

i got turbo omega robbed there

[lavish sorrel]

so, fun fact, pillar hitboxes in this game are actually rotated squares

[drowsy linden]

shouldve hugged

[lavish sorrel]

this fact makes fresh file heroes the most painful boss to fight within the context of that run

[opaque fable]

maybe i should turn off fo2

[stiff obsidian]

man im not able to get anywhere with the hades fight

[lavish sorrel]

I can VOD review if need be. but don't worry. struggling on FF dad is normal

[drowsy linden]

and turn on em4

[lavish sorrel]

F02 is too fast I agree

my FO0 brain cannot comprehend

[rich onyx]

yo

how does unlocking hidden aspect of guan yu work, like do you need to invest titan blood into 5 aspects fo the same weapon? or any weapon spread out cumatively?

[stiff obsidian]

my fo2 brain cannot comprehend fo0

[mint coral]

Gy is unlocking 5 non zag aspects across all weapons

[rich onyx]

ive invested at least 1 aspect over into all weapons and 35+ hours and still no achilles waking phrase???

[stiff obsidian]

yeah probably but the vod will only last ~20 seconds

[rich onyx]

oh.

[stiff obsidian]

i die by then

[rich onyx]

oh crap

[stiff obsidian]

[rich onyx]

alright thanks.

[strong flame]

did u invest in any zagreus aspect?

oh nvm

[rich onyx]

yes.

[strong flame]

rip

[rich onyx]

oopsies

shoot

im very

oopsies

[mint coral]

For the other hidden aspects you can invest blood in zag aspects

For those you need 5 blood into the weapon

[fiery wind]

Should i use those nectar thingys on gods first for the keepsakes?

And is there any other general tips i started like a couple hours ago

[strong flame]

yeah but keep atleast 1 with u all the time

[mint coral]

The specifics of hidden aspects is pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[strong flame]

there are 3 gods which are more rare to meet

[rich onyx]

do u guys recommend getting titan blood by using one weapon and beating higher heat, or many different weapons and ebat ghame on low heat?

i have trouble beating the game consistently

[strong flame]

low heat then i'd say

[mint coral]

If you play way better with a specific weapon

[strong flame]

also it brings more variety

good opportunity for giving other weapons than your main one a chance

[latent moon]

Imo hard grinding one weapon or aspect is better since you'll get more comfortable with it and be able to clear higher heats easily at some point

[rich onyx]

i like shield more purely for blocking but i still dont do super well with it

[strong flame]

i'll do that after i have all mirror upgrades etc

[latent moon]

And by then the overall game mechanics will transfer over to other weapons so it won't be as hard

[rich onyx]

shield's my fave, beat 2 heat with it, beat 0 heat withf ists, everything else in complete.

[mint coral]

20% is really nothing for darkness tbh

[stiff obsidian]

having one max aspect on each weapon is nice before going for evrything else

its what i did

[strong flame]

yeah i don't rly use it for the darkness

if i wouldn't force myself with that fact i would one trick shield

[rich onyx]

wait so just to clear this, for guan yu do the aspects have to be different

[strong flame]

but i want to learn all weapons kinda

[rich onyx]

so i cant just upgrade on aspect 3 times??

[mint coral]

Yeah you need to unloxk different aspects

[rich onyx]

ah ok.

[strong flame]

just beat heat 0 and heat 1 with every weapon yet

but well i think that's pretty decent for my playtime

[rich onyx]

hm ok, will do

[mint coral]

This could be just purely practice thing or build issue

Non zeus/hidden shield with bad hammers are kinda sad

[strong flame]

btw noob i got zeus yesterday

it's lvl 4 now and well

i fell in love

never gonna touch chaos shield again

[wary iron]

Great time to do 64 heat

[mint coral]

I saw

[rich onyx]

last question but i can get 2 DIFFERENT aspects for the SAME weapon, and would that count as 2 aspects counted towards the 5 for the hidden GY unlock???

[strong flame]

zeus shield is way to fun lmao

[latent moon]

Yeah

Just 5 different aspects, as long as they're not zag aspects it's fine

[rich onyx]

kk thanks

i bought literally MOSTLYzag aspects for all 6 weapons

[strong flame]

how much playtime do y'all have? kinda curious

[rich onyx]

im all some tomfoolery BS

[latent moon]

Unlocking 5 different aspects across 5 different weapons is cheaper but some of those aspects aren't considered great lmao

[strong flame]

unlucky

[rich onyx]

35, i havent touched the game in a month but im bouta get back into it, starting off with the hidden GY unlock

[strong flame]

nice nice

[latent moon]

500 or something

[rich onyx]

hades i burnt out kinda on

[strong flame]

i started 2 or 3 days ago i'm at 14h now

[rich onyx]

tho now im back

[wary iron]

70-80h I have about 25 clears and 180 or so attempts

[drowsy linden]

like 150-200 hours

[strong flame]

damn

[drowsy linden]

we have about 3 people with over 1k i think

[wary iron]

Jazz

[rich onyx]

bruh i have 3 clears 0 heat fists, zero heat shield, 1 heat shield.

[stiff obsidian]

according to steam i crossed 1500 hours today

[mint coral]

750+

[strong flame]

oh damn

[latent moon]

Angel has like a couple thousand probably

[wary iron]

God damn

[mint coral]

But idk how much is afk

[stiff obsidian]

same

[drowsy linden]

jazz, angelic and mysterra

[latent moon]

More people in the speedrunning discord have over 1k

[stiff obsidian]

i asume 1/3 is afk so im probably around 1k

[drowsy linden]

i have at least 50 hours afk

[strong flame]

i feel pretty much like a baby with my 14h lmao

[latent moon]

Bro spent as much time afk than I have playing the game lmfao

[stiff obsidian]

true

[latent moon]

We're all babies

[wary iron]

When I first entered that server I just saw like 7 max heat clears from mysterra and I think that was the closest I ever got to giving up on that game

[stiff obsidian]

everyone had 14 hours at some point of time

[strong flame]

well true

[latent moon]

Lmfao sounds about right

[mint coral]

What a good time to join the server lmao

[strong flame]

i think if i wouldn't play roguelikes/roguelites like all the time i wouldn't continue playing hades lmao

[stiff obsidian]

same i felt playing the game was pointless when ppl already do this many times over for fun lmao

[latent moon]

Imagine joining the server and you're seeing people talk about some dude beating 82 heat when the cap is 64

[drowsy linden]

ive only ever felt like giving up when i

and when i

[strong flame]

so well imo it's easy yet but for people who aren't used to those games this could be the hell

i'm hyped for high heat runs

[mint coral]

Hades was my first roguelite

[drowsy linden]

rogue is a very difficult genre

[stiff obsidian]

same

[wary iron]

I still remember when mysterra did 69 or so heat and the comment was just “not that much harder”

[stiff obsidian]

it was also my first game using a mouse and wasd

[drowsy linden]

my first was dead cells
my best is probably hades

[mint coral]

And the only one I've actually done well on my own

[stiff obsidian]

so i had a lot of getting used to do

[strong flame]

well i played like 80% of all soulslike games, i played the most roguelikes (2k hours in dead cells for example)

[latent moon]

Tbf it depends what heat you add lmao

[mint coral]

The others I've just adjusted the difficulty

[strong flame]

i just love hard games

[rich onyx]

whats ur guys' least fave weapon

[stiff obsidian]

sword

[wary iron]

Gun, I just can’t use it

[strong flame]

i agree

[rich onyx]

ah same, sword or gun easily for me

[stiff obsidian]

2nd and third are sword and sword respectively

[latent moon]

For mysterra the hard part about 64 is rng lmao not like scraping by to survive

[wary iron]

I still don’t have a clear with gun

[strong flame]

i enjoy every weapon except sword

[drowsy linden]

i highly doubt you have 2k hours of active time considering youre still 4bc

[iron haven]

is chaos shield best with ares, zeus, dio, or poseidon on special?

[strong flame]

sword feels kinda boring to me

[drowsy linden]

none of the above

[mint coral]

Sword but by a small margin over fists

[rich onyx]

sword is just boring for me, while gun i just suck with

[latent moon]

Probably spear

[drowsy linden]

its best with nothing on special(use charged shot)

[iron haven]

really? then which

[stiff obsidian]

but spear has guan yu

[latent moon]

Ignore the special in chaos shield

[wary iron]

Chaos shield isn’t good

[mint coral]

Yeah chaos aspect is

[wary iron]

Nothing will ever save it

[drowsy linden]

if it worked with er

[mint coral]

Lvl 0 zag shield

[drowsy linden]

that would save it somewhat

[strong flame]

zeus shield with heroic zeus special boon carried my ass yesterday

[mint coral]

Let it work with charged flight

It would be funny

[drowsy linden]

what about dashing

i forgot, but i think its just charged without charging

[strong flame]

what's er?

[drowsy linden]

explosive return

[iron haven]

lv 3 chaos shield or lv 1 zeus? those are my shield options rn and i think chaos would be better right=

[mint coral]

Also bring charged back to +400%

[drowsy linden]

level 1 zeus

[mint coral]

Zeus

[wary iron]

Zeus

[mint coral]

Blood doesn't matter on it really

[drowsy linden]

my first heat 32 clear(traumatizing)

[wary iron]

For the love of god

Take Zeus

[iron haven]

really? i didnt know it was THAT bad

[strong flame]

uh what's that? xD i didn't play on english yet still have to change language

[drowsy linden]

NEVER use normal shield special

[drowsy linden]

catching your shield causes an explosion that does 50 damage

[mint coral]

Catching special creates an explosion

[wary iron]

It makes boom and 50 damages surrounding you when you catch the shield

[strong flame]

ohhh this one

the hammer right?

[wary iron]

Yeah

[iron haven]

already pumped quite a bit of titans blood into chaos aspect but ig ill go for zeus shield instead

[mint coral]

Also spreads whatever effect of your special

[strong flame]

what's the throw u enjoy the most ?

i liked poseidon most yet

[wary iron]

Throw as in cast?

The stone?

[strong flame]

oh yeah mb

rly have to change language to english ngl

[mint coral]

Cast alone is phalanx for me

For cast builds is trippy flare (dio)

[wary iron]

Cast alone either phalanx or dio

[strong flame]

the athene one?

[mint coral]

Ye

[stiff obsidian]

i like true shot

dont have to aim cast + opens useful duos

[drowsy linden]

i like zag cast

[strong flame]

i had a pretty funny run with the artemis boon which causes dmg when the cast stone is removed of enemies

[stiff obsidian]

also opens support fire

[drowsy linden]

and dad cast

[strong flame]

paired with epic boon from hermes which reduces the time to remove them

[wary iron]

Exit wounds probably goes well with Poseidon sword I guess

[strong flame]

which duos are worth to watch out for? have got just like idk 2 or 3 yet

[strong flame]

yeah wanted to try that out aswell

seems fun

[wary iron]

Duos really depend on your build

[mint coral]

You can build in center of most duos

[wary iron]

The most used ones are probably
Mirage Shot
Smouldering air
Merciful End

[strong flame]

is there anything which helps at getting duos?

[mint coral]

But something like lightning rod/ smouldering air can fit most builds

[strong flame]

increasing chance or something

[mint coral]

Mirror/chaos favor boon/yarn of ariadne/refrshing nectar

[wary iron]

There’s a mirror ability for that

[mint coral]

And knowledge on how the game offers boons

[strong flame]

ohh nice

[wary iron]

But it’s counterpart is mostly favourised

[strong flame]

still need the 30 key upgrade for mirror

[iron haven]

for a lv 1 zeus shield, is zeus on special the best or should i go for merciful end?

[wary iron]

Zeus

[strong flame]

is there a explanation for that?

[mint coral]

Both work but zeus needs less rng

[drowsy linden]

second to last mirror effect green side, knowledge, anything that increases the chance of rare/better boons(minus mirror and keepsakes)

[strong flame]

ty

[iron haven]

so zeus special and just buff up his boons with jolted and take whatever i get along the way?

[wary iron]

Technically you only need 2 boons to open up for a duo so you learn what these boons are and when you can get a duo boon

As in some rooms getting a duo boon is impossible (for example in gods jury)

[strong flame]

ohh i didnt know that

[wary iron]

Yeah basically

[iron haven]

cool ill try that ig

[mint coral]

The most important to consider is
Fill up core slots (atk/special/cast/dash) as those boons are prioritized if empty
If you are aiming for 1 duo in specific don't open others
Taking a god status effect (something like zeus static discharge) is better than random boons because those have a 50% to be offered

Using the codex upgrade to see the boon list helps a lot

[strong flame]

how exactly does that help?

[mint coral]

Know what boons open the duos

[wary iron]

It shows what boons can open up a duo or legendary boon

[strong flame]

ohh so there are specific boons which can't open duos?

very good to know tyty

[wary iron]

Yeah you mostly need core boons to open up duos

[mint coral]

Yeah, most duos is 1 core from both gods

Some are more specific (see Merciful end)

Legendaries too

[wary iron]

Legendaries often require supporting boons as well

[mint coral]

An example for this is hidden shield where you go for mirage shot

[strong flame]

core boons are stuff like the one from aphrodite for example which boosts ur damage against weakened enemies right?

[wary iron]

Imagine the world if ddash could open up merciful end

[lavish sorrel]

early access was that world

[mint coral]

If you see athena, taking her dash both fills another core and doesn't open the duo with either arti or pos

[wary iron]

Core boons are the boons on the left side

[mint coral]

Is the boons at the left of your UI

Wait right?

[wary iron]

So the boons that directly affect cast/attack/special/dash/call

[drowsy linden]

on zeus shield, you want:
thunder flourish
double strike
jolted
aphrodite on attack(for smair)
zeus call
splitting bolt?(it has a glitch where activating it removes blocking)

[strong flame]

ohh ty

[wary iron]

Sorry I’m just stupid

[drowsy linden]

my keyboard was dying so sorry for very late reply

[mint coral]

Btw a thing about call

While it is a core, is not a priority boon

[wary iron]

Can’t believe the heaven I missed

[mint coral]

Meaning that you can leave it empty and the game won't push it as often as other boons

[wary iron]

Yeah it seems rarer then the others

[strong flame]

being here for 10 mins rly helped me more than watching 4h of hades content

[wary iron]

Glad to be of help

[mint coral]

The power of brainrot

[strong flame]

btw is hades still getting content?

[lavish sorrel]

no

it is complete as is

with its many bugs and glitches

[strong flame]

alright alright

[stiff obsidian]

you make your own content

[wary iron]

They gave up on beo

[strong flame]

i'm missing a scythe weapon

[mint coral]

I love that beo could've been fixed but nobody used casts

[wary iron]

Well we’re getting a scythe in hades 2

[strong flame]

lets gooo

[mint coral]

So nobody noticed how funny the shield was

[wary iron]

Or they did

And purposefully acted

Like they didn’t

[mint coral]

Reading the trippy flare pom bug when first discovered is always hilarious

[strong flame]

are there any information about hades 2 release?

like a date or something

[mint coral]

"why I'm doing 500 dmg with 1 cast on furies"

[wary iron]

Q2 2024

[mint coral]

Q2 2024 is the only thing we have

[strong flame]

oh well so still a few months

[fiery wind]

Is there anything i should focus on upgrading in the mirror of night

[strong flame]

so i have enough time for beating hades his ass a few times

[mint coral]

Mirror guide at #h1-for-new-players

[wary iron]

Yeah more than enough

[mint coral]

Focus on revives/2nd dash/hp/dark foresight I'd say

[wary iron]

I just love how this game is very difficult until it suddenly clicks yk

[mint coral]

The first win effect

[strong flame]

the first 2 times i met hades i got destroyed

since then i destroy him

[wary iron]

It took me so long to realise

I could just not get hit

[strong flame]

the first 2 times i just tried to run away from those beams

until i figured out i can stay behind the stones lmao

[wary iron]

Yeah there’s also a safe spot if you go close enough to give your dad a hug

[mint coral]

Hug your dad is still the best strategy

[strong flame]

surprisingly i rly enjoy bow since i tried the auto aim aspect

for special

[drowsy linden]

for me, it was learning to not be confident and iframe his attacks

[wary iron]

He doesn’t dare hurt his son in those moments

[covert hare]

would it be possible to make a only chaos boons run ?

with or without mods

[strong flame]

there are mods for this game?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[covert hare]

yes

[drowsy linden]

yes

[wary iron]

The answer is always yes

[drowsy linden]

its just REALLY hard to do true boonless

[wary iron]

Yeah you need to purge quite a lot

[strong flame]

but ig not with steam workshop?

[drowsy linden]

which is why we settle for basic boonless(purging allowed)

[strong flame]

would have seen that

ig

[covert hare]

but atleast you get a coold reward: || a single secret dialogue ||

[drowsy linden]

modding server is pinned in #self-promotion

[drowsy linden]

i dont think they added anything for true boonless(no boons at any time), just basic boonless(with purging)

[mint coral]

You can still have certain boons and get the dialogue

[wary iron]

I still have a clip from the time when me and hades died at the exact same time, I’m still not sure if that dialogue was because of that or if it was just coincidence

[drowsy linden]

its time for em4 boonless zeus shield

[covert hare]

which God do you guys think gets the most pressed when you dont choose it

for me its artemis

[wary iron]

64 heat boonless?

[covert hare]

she gets so pressed like damn

[wary iron]

You mean at that room where you chose one of two?

[latent moon]

I think like 60 or 62 has been done boonless except for a chaos flourish

[covert hare]

yeah+

[wary iron]

People are crazy man…

[covert hare]

artemis is the most pressed

[wary iron]

Artemis is the kind one there, if you don’t move she doesn’t hit you

[covert hare]

and dio is the most chill about it

[covert hare]

WHAT

[wary iron]

The worst imo is dem

[mint coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/TOxKcrlcyp
Oh hey look at this funny- oh lmao its haelian

[mint coral]

Dem on melee

Athena in ely is annoying

[covert hare]

Nah for me the worst is aphro

[wary iron]

Aphro is annoying but you can iframe it

It’s turn radius is slow

[mint coral]

Pos in ely mixes with the background and is a pain

[covert hare]

Or poseidon

[wary iron]

Yeah cause she shielded those things that generate a shield and everyone was basically invincible

It’s also kinda bad when those spirits or whatever of the things in Ely get pushed out of map and all you have is fists…

[drowsy linden]

i find athena to be free

[wary iron]

I had to kill it with ddash

[mint coral]

Athena may be timeloss but also is the only way to try for getting DDs with stubborn on the trial lol

[opaque fable]

my hands hurt from dash striking on hestia so much

[wary iron]

rip

[covert hare]

Btw when I asked which God was the most pressed about not being choosen

I mean dialogues

Not how annoying they are

[wary iron]

Oh well in that case probably Zeus

[lavish sorrel]

my tierlist in terms of theseus summons (from the maybe slightly biased perspective of a FreshFile / Low% runner:
Dionysus = Artemis > poseidon > Aphrodite > Ares > Zeus = Athena = Demeter

[drowsy linden]

can he even summon demeter?

[wary iron]

Yeah

[covert hare]

Yes

[wary iron]

It’s kinda annoying on melee but little damage so it’s alright

[lavish sorrel]

worst experience of me playing this game

[lavish sorrel]

it can interrupt your attacks

[covert hare]

Hades fans be giving Theseus build recommendations

[mint coral]

What do you see most often in FF as theseus summon, arte or dio?

[rustic vale]

If Theseus pulled out a zeus or dio minicall

[wary iron]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[lavish sorrel]

artemis, since if all four available gods have been met, the game summons artemis as a failsafe

despite her being in your godpool

[mint coral]

Knew that, makes sense

[rustic vale]

Oh game can’t use gods you can’t see yet?

[mint coral]

Wasn't it also that one of the reasons people noticed Damue cheating

[mint coral]

First run has always the same 4 gods

The first early runs are kinda scripted, like zeus always on 2nd run

Hammer on like 4th, I think call is 5th run?

[lavish sorrel]

hammer start on third

[mint coral]

Hermes somewhere- there it is

[rustic vale]

I knew that

But I didn’t think Theseus would be stuck with that

[lavish sorrel]

fourth introduces second hammer, but not necessarily at the start

[rustic vale]

Is it hardcoded in or is it just part of like not being able to see dem until you can find her

[strong flame]

so well i just gonna try a few mods out

weapon mastery sounds cool

[covert hare]

Dusa is the famous dusa from the Greek mithology?

Hence that’s why she doesn’t have a body?

[mint coral]

Maid dusa

[covert hare]

Plus why does dusa say Zagreus has “ surface accent “

How would she know that

[jagged hamlet]

She used to be a surface dweller in her old life!

[covert hare]

But why would people born in the underworld talk different

[reef reef]

how many layers hades got

[lavish sorrel]

there are 4 layers of hell

[lavish sorrel]

you might want to head on over to #h1-for-new-players instead of here, there are a lot of gameplay and story spoilers here :]

3 aspects away from all 32 heats

[rustic vale]

Go for all 64 heats

[lavish sorrel]

ofc will do

[rustic vale]

Actually go mod your game for ff 32 heat

Or can you do ff 32 heat w/ hellmode?

I figure you can’t

[lavish sorrel]

I've tried run 2 32heat and furthest I got was first or second chamber aspho iirc

[mint coral]

There's also c2 dad

[lavish sorrel]

(fetching the link )

[rustic vale]

Td3 on ff

[lavish sorrel]

anyhow sent those two things in the self-promo channel

[fiery wind]

What can i do with titans blood

[lavish sorrel]

1: you'll see
2: feel free to move over to #h1-for-new-players , as that place is better-suited to answer questions such as this one. keep in min this chat will contain gameplay and story spoilers.

[jagged hamlet]

Dunno. Maybe it's just a huuuuge melting pot of cultures

[strong flame]

wtf is that tiny vermin

never saw it before lmao

[mint coral]

Tony moment

[lavish sorrel]

congRATulations

[opaque fable]

why did people start calling rat gaming "tony"?

[lavish sorrel]

came from a typo by a speedrunner named Cgull

and it became a meme so it stuck

[opaque fable]

what, tiny vermin -> tony vermin?

[lavish sorrel]

yep

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142115080809488464/1192244925249638542/image.png?ex=65a85f9d&is=6595ea9d&hm=bd9f49bd3bbb29df09f84f1bab5971ad2690211cee5d85c13e6575c59e4034e4& the conversation

[opaque fable]

actually got the receipts nice

[mint coral]

Big rat also became anthony

[lavish sorrel]

Erebus and Chaos aren't real and cannot hurt me

[abstract wave]

Something I just realized is that I cleared the game an awful lot faster with the fists than with any other weapon

Are they busted or am I just tripping?

[stone rune]

they are the worst weapon in the game

probably just you getting better

[upper wolf]

Or they fit your playstyle more

Though tbh if you're used to turtling on things like shield, bow or rail it makes sense that an offense oriented weapon like malphon will help you clear quicker

Nothing much to do except ORA ORA ORA

[rustic vale]

You’re probably just more experienced with fists

or they just click for you

[latent moon]

Or good rng lmao

[rustic vale]

They aren’t busted

[latent moon]

You also might not have built the other weapons as well

[opaque fable]

looks inside
ME level 13 heroic doom

[stone rune]

did you know that lvl 13 doom deals a total of 1 more base damage than lvl 12 doom

[abstract wave]

I'd double check that run to share but i don't have image perms

Nor the game open

[abstract wave]

I beat the game with their 3rd attempt

[latent moon]

You can share images through embeds

[abstract wave]

The first thing I did when I bought the game was start a run on hell mode

The game has been more enjoyable that way

[abstract wave]

Lemme open the game real quick

[upper wolf]

that extra damage will carry though, trust

[upper wolf]

damn you're hardcore lol

[rustic vale]

Then they just click with you or good rng or both

either way they’ren’t busted

[upper wolf]

I 100% the game before starting hell mode, and it was still pretty damn hellish

[abstract wave]

Second attempt, actually

Where can I share the image

[rustic vale]

Victory boasting works

[latent moon]

With image embeds

[rustic vale]

If it’s a victory

[abstract wave]

Bet

[rustic vale]

Otherwise here also works

[abstract wave]

Oh I just got the perms for images, alright

Didn't see it there

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IMG_2293.png?ex=659f57a1&is=658ce2a1&hm=cf43eba6c1a51d6218594ac70bffa00036752aa5c6e573d4f98f9b02b4a72180&

[abstract wave]

no nvm I'll just go to victory boasting

[runic jungle]

My favorite part about hades is playing it again after not playing it for a minute lol.
Was motivated after I realized I left quite a few things unfinished last time

Haven't fully romanced than
Haven't reunited achilles and his lover and same with orpheus

[abstract wave]

I'm wondering whether this or Dead Cells was more enjoyable

Both are top tiers

[upper wolf]

yeah

[abstract wave]

[upper wolf]

wait what

[abstract wave]

I hate language bots

[upper wolf]

What did I say to get dynoed

wee

[opaque fable]

blasted by dyno

[runic jungle]

For me this one takes the cake
But I'm biased bc I love Greek mythology

[rustic vale]

I mean

[upper wolf]

Oooh, I used the crappy swear

[abstract wave]

I keep remembering Cryogen from Calamity mod whenever I look at your avatar

[rustic vale]

I got dynod the otherday for saying roaches

[opaque fable]

dead cells is not very fun for me personally

probably because i am bad + don't like how weapons are rng

[abstract wave]

Side by side, at least until now, Dead Cells was more thrilling

[upper wolf]

So I was saying
fun fact : I played Motion Twin (the devs of dead cells) crappy online games when I was a wee lil lad

[upper wolf]

depends on how much you played each too tbh

[abstract wave]

200 hours of gameplay on DC. 30 hours here. But my 30th hour w/ DC was more enjoyable to me

[opaque fable]

hades letting you choose your playstyle first before diving into the rngfest that is roguelikes makes it a better experience

[abstract wave]

I'll give an update once I reach my 200th hour

[runic jungle]

I honestly don't care about how thrilling it is lol
I am a sucker for mythology lore.
And gay romance

[abstract wave]

I also have a slight bias for Greek mythos. You can thank GoW for that

GoW II was one of the first games I played. It's part of my childhood

[runic jungle]

GoW is one of my favorite franchises lol
Though I only played the Norse era unfortunately.

Hopefully the Greek games get remasters

[abstract wave]

Why not play them?

I mean, the OG ones

[opaque fable]

incompatible hardware?

[abstract wave]

No just buy the console. PS2s aren't that expensive

No, scrap that, they aren't expensive, especially when you compare them to modern consoles

[rustic vale]

um actually

[abstract wave]

That's how all good roguelikes are. You memorize the patterns and try to not get punished

[rustic vale]

The more you play the more you lose (high heat attempter)

[abstract wave]

I get punished a lot

For the memes, I cranked the heat to the maximum. Apparently, it goes to 60

Anyone here beat that yet?

[No, I didn't actually attempt it]

[stone rune]

it goes to 64

[abstract wave]

Bruh

[rustic vale]

64 has been beaten

[stone rune]

and people have done it

and a lot more people have done 60

[rustic vale]

you just haven’t unlocked the last 4

[abstract wave]

At least two people. If that's the baseline, I might never try it

[stone rune]

well yeah

its extremely difficult and rng reliant

[rustic vale]

It wasn’t cleared until this year

[opaque fable]

can you turn on hell mode from a regular save?

[rustic vale]

on pc yeah

[opaque fable]

dies of cringe

[rustic vale]

Just switch it on in gamefiles

[abstract wave]

I call myself a casual and the last game I was that sweaty over was Terraria

[rustic vale]

not hard

I have no clue

[opaque fable]

oh if it's just file editing that's not bad

[abstract wave]

Messing with game files is cringe

[rustic vale]

To swap your regular file to a hell mode file?

[abstract wave]

What's up with the increments of 8?

8, 16, 32, etc

[rustic vale]

It’s not increments of 8

[abstract wave]

Well, of 16*

[drowsy linden]

its doubling

[opaque fable]

looks nice

[drowsy linden]

2^x

[opaque fable]

[rustic vale]

Nor of 16

[abstract wave]

Oh ok I just thought there was something special about it

[rustic vale]

32 to 40 is + 8

40 to 50 is +10

[abstract wave]

It's midnight and it's raining, I may not be functioning at 100%

[rustic vale]

Although it should really be 40,45,50

[abstract wave]

[rustic vale]

You don’t have to do jumps

[abstract wave]

There's no jump button though

That's the dash

[opaque fable]

is haelian's math accurate in that 64 is beatable every one in 6802 attempts

[abstract wave]

I know I'm pulling their leg

[drowsy linden]

or if you mod

[opaque fable]

just get flawless rng

[abstract wave]

Beating the game with mods isn't the same

You can't brag about it as nicely

[drowsy linden]

its just rng

[abstract wave]

What kind of mods we talking about though?

[drowsy linden]

speedrun modpack

and also removes some minibosses

barge, asterius, tony

and than

[abstract wave]

Hm

[opaque fable]

wait remove than?

[mint coral]

Depends on what settings you have

[rustic vale]

I don’t think so?

[opaque fable]

oh yeah rta not igt

[mint coral]

Is rta still default?

[abstract wave]

Removing the RNG is whatever, I guess I can get behind that, but I don't like the removing minibosses one

[drowsy linden]

its a toggleable setting

[abstract wave]

Hm

[drowsy linden]

speedrun modpack is the greatest thing to exist(i dont use it)

[opaque fable]

i assume speedrun modpack has a button

[rustic vale]

Iirc

Yeah

[abstract wave]

Oh right

[rustic vale]

gotta reset your rng somehow

[abstract wave]

I remember standing on a pool of lava once cause I didn't like that run and wanted to reset

[rustic vale]

[abstract wave]

Kinda cringe that they made you manually quitting the run reset your save to before the run started

But I guess it also has its uses

[rustic vale]

It’s useful

Early on if you want to test out an aspect

Get your blood back

[abstract wave]

Hm

[rustic vale]

Sometimes you get good rng off the start and then don’t get good rng after

You can just give up and then break more pots

Ez

[abstract wave]

I recently maxed out Meg's bond and was surprised to find her idling in my room [I chose to approach her]

[rustic vale]

[abstract wave]

Breaking her bored/annoyed face was nice

Never thought I'd see her smiling

Nah he kicked my ass on that one, he wasn't around

[rustic vale]

Eh last I checked Zags room has no door

It’s certainly got a frame

[abstract wave]

Complain to Hades, he's the one running that cri

Crib

He will hear every squeak

[rustic vale]

Honestly why no work order to get a door on my room

[runic jungle]

I have not realized how funny of a dash tidal dash was tonight.
You can cheese smaller enemies with it lol.
Dead ass cleared a room with only the dash.
It felt great bc I'm currently doing a bow run

[abstract wave]

Do you want to pass on the opportunity to annoy your old man?

[drowsy linden]

and also its fun for styx

[abstract wave]

I do that with Zeus' call

[opaque fable]

aoe dash is goated for styx

[rustic vale]

Splash dash is just strong

[runic jungle]

So far it feels like the bow is great for smaller enemies but for actual bosses like furies, hydra etc etc.
It's a major pain

[abstract wave]

I don't know if I should be annoyed or awed by my cat constantly laying where I use my mouse. She refuses to leave and I can't move it much

She's even clicking it

Almost closed Discord on my face

[rustic vale]

It really isn’t

also consider using ctrl > kbm if you arenmt

for bow at least

[abstract wave]

I think the bow has a lot of damage for such a safe weapon

[rustic vale]

I hear that bow is a lot harder to use on kbm

[latent moon]

Aiming is the problem frankly

If you can aim it's fine

[opaque fable]

is bow actually hard on kbm?

[runic jungle]

I was just fighting tisiphone and it was actually a struggle lol.
Granted I am getting used to the bow again after so long but sheesh.
She's the most annoying fury imo

[latent moon]

Just the aiming part sometimes

[opaque fable]

i tried sticks and aiming with bow felt impossible

[rustic vale]

I’m a bow main

It ain’t slow

[abstract wave]

Tisiphone can suck my toes

I hate her

[runic jungle]

Where are Artemis boons when you need em lol

[rustic vale]

My most recent bow run was like

[latent moon]

zag bow dps kinda needs good hammers tho

[abstract wave]

Nah that's Meg

[opaque fable]

dash strike backwards -> aim forwards especially felt awful

[rustic vale]

<20s for furies fight

[opaque fable]

and i play hera 100%

[rustic vale]

Wait I meant <20s

[runic jungle]

Actually electo
Or however you spell it
That's the easiest one for me no contest

[opaque fable]

alecto is annoying

meg is by far the easiest

[runic jungle]

Maybe it's a different story on high heat but she's the most predictable for me

[rustic vale]

<20s

[abstract wave]

She is fairly predictable, yeah

[drowsy linden]

alecto is fine because i use shady

[abstract wave]

Imo yeah

[rustic vale]

It was actually 19.8 or something

[drowsy linden]

tis is easiest for me

[abstract wave]

Wait I mistook Tis for Alecto lmao

[opaque fable]

tis would be easier if i was better and dodged the stun attack

[abstract wave]

Nvm I hate Alecto

Bow clears all projectiles no difficulty

[runic jungle]

Tis is strongly weapon dependent ngl.
Like I had a fists run prior to my current bow one.
Cakewalk

[opaque fable]

alecto also randomly uses smokescreen in last phase which bothers me

watch as i run into the spike trap with 500% trap damage

[abstract wave]

I hate Alecto's rage the most. She punishes you for playing safe

But sometimes, you can't play aggressive

[opaque fable]

i do and it's annoying

all enemies punish you for playing safe by forcing you to interact with more attacks

[abstract wave]

I love Athena's reflect against witches

[runic jungle]

I just think alecto is the most predictable one lol.
Also maybe I'm slightly biased bc she's the fury I like the most

[abstract wave]

Woek

[opaque fable]

honestly idk what happens when she fills rage meter before phase 4

[latent moon]

alecto is def pretty predictable, i just ignore the signs and hope i can kill her fast enough

[abstract wave]

Same thing as other phases I think

She just goes ham on you