h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Pretty sure you don’t need em1 for any meg progression

especially not for the first progression

Since they’ven’t even gifted her once

[covert hare]

which hammer is better for rail, explosive fire or penetrating fire?

[rustic vale]

What’s the third

and which rail is it

[covert hare]

spread shot

[covert hare]

eris

[rustic vale]

oh yeah

You literally said eris rail

explosive is pretty nice for the aoe but if you find yourself running into issues with shield enemies in elysium take piercing

[covert hare]

i wanted ricochet honestly

but i guess things just go like that

[rustic vale]

I mean

Ideally you hit rocket bomb and cluster/triple

Even with zeus rail attack boons just aren’t crazy since the bulk of the work comes from zeus

[opaque fable]

i can never hit rocket clusters

targeting system seems to always show up

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ok, sure

chamber 9 splitting

[rustic vale]

Kinda late for splitting tbh

I’d reset the run, it’s not wr pace

[opaque fable]

i have zeus pos aphro, who to add for asp

athena maybe?

just for defense

[upper wolf]

ngl I'd probably just take pos keepsake and try to get sea storm

or aphro and try for smair

getting your god pool full is not mandatory

[novel oak]

Is there any lore the flame wheels meowing at me?

[rustic vale]

It is to guarantee yourself further good rng though tbh

[mint coral]

cuz they are small

big ones do big roar

[rustic vale]

If you don’t force someone in you just take the first one you see otherwise

[upper wolf]

well, yeah

[jagged hamlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/kzfsbd/wait_do_the_mini_chariots_meow/?rdt=49843

[covert hare]

Oh my God so they do meow

I thought I was crazy

[novel oak]

I LOVE THIS GAME

[wide trench]

tem algum brasileiro que jogue hades ?

[silk stone]

my imgur doesnt workj

😭

https://imgur.com/undefined

are yoi serous ruight neow brah

[rustic vale]

Just send it off your device in another server or dm or smthing and copy the image link

[silk stone]

oh

that works aswell ig

[rustic vale]

I have my own little server that’s being currently used mainly for things like this

[silk stone]

cool

[rustic vale]

If you don’t have a proper server available to you just dm it to me and copy it over

[modern spire]

i think they’re meant to be like kittens and the massive ones are like lions

i forgot about my pfp

[opaque fable]

what counts as "clearing a room quickly" for plume

[latent moon]

there's a timer underneath the plume whenever you enter a combat chamber

as long as you clear before the timer disappears then you'll get the boost

iirc it adjusts for the chamber number but not for levels of jury summons

[rustic vale]

SSG on their way to make an already bad keepsake worse

FOR THE RECORD: this is the only time I’ve seen anything of the sort(from memory) and not a consistent SSG issue from my 400+ hours of playing Hades ✋

[winter plaza]

butterfly best keepsake

[rustic vale]

Clearly you’ve ever used Shattered Shackle

[winter plaza]

actually shackle is my second favorite

[rustic vale]

It should be your first favourite

[winter plaza]

you're right

im a disgrace

[rustic vale]

Followed by 8 olympian god’s keepsakes

[winter plaza]

false best keepsake

Orpheus

but only on sword

and fists

[rustic vale]

Is that distant memory?

Can’t remember

[winter plaza]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Distant sucks on every weapon

[winter plaza]

wrong it's so good on fists

and sword

best keepsake fr

[rustic vale]

The range it requires makes it highly unlikely to prok, even on ranged weapons and pitiful damage is gives doesn’t help it

[winter plaza]

i used to use it genuinely too

when i was first starting to play

then i realized barrel stuffing enemies with hera bow was a lot more effective

[rustic vale]

Barrel stuffing enemies is just the play

On every weapon

Maybe not spears since they perform equally at range and in melee if built for their special

[winter plaza]

my most played weapon is guan yu

i feel a bit disappointed in myself

[silk stone]

how to get the boons of apollo

[rustic vale]

why is that bad?

[rustic vale]

…you wait for Hades 2 or maybe even Hades 3

[winter plaza]

apollo is in Hades 2

[winter plaza]

i don't know

weapon is fun so i use weapon

[rustic vale]

I see no problem

[winter plaza]

i saw a Haelian video on Chiron bow though

been using that mostly

[mint coral]

Olympus extra mod

[winter plaza]

i think the only aspect i just cannot stand to use is Poseidon

[rustic vale]

Pos is fine

[winter plaza]

i just hate it

[rustic vale]

As someone who has played a bit of every weapon over my 255 clears

It’s certainly no where near my favourite

[silk stone]

what

[rustic vale]

Apollo ain’t in Hades

[silk stone]

its in hades 1 tho

whatg

[mint coral]

Is a mod

[rustic vale]

Maybe like Somenoobdying sais

[silk stone]

a mod?

OH

it is a mod

[rustic vale]

As in a modification to the base game that someone else from the community made

[silk stone]

it says "it feels like artemis" but the boon looks like apollo or smth

[winter plaza]

i feel like there's some major confusion here

[rustic vale]

I mean you could also just replace your game files for artemis with apollo

[winter plaza]

i wonder how Apollo boons will work in Hades 2

[rustic vale]

Idk

[winter plaza]

i feel like they'll work something like Aphro charm

you make good music and the enemy gets enchanted by it or something

idk

[rustic vale]

I know someone who replaced their aphrodite game files with artemis ones so they wouldn’t see the uh

semi naked body

[winter plaza]

that's interesting

[rustic vale]

it definitely is

I said “I know someone” but it was more of them

dropping in here, mentioning it, and leaving

[winter plaza]

respect honestly

[mint coral]

If I had a penny for each time I've seen someone replacing aphro's game files to cover her up I'd have 2 pennies

[winter plaza]

which isn't a lot, but it's odd it's happened twice

[rustic vale]

Oh theres a second?

I wonder if it would fly for a speedrun.com submission

[winter plaza]

i don't see why not considering it's purely cosmetic change

given they are strict

[mint coral]

The tl;dr is like
Parents don't want that my sibling sees it, any ideas how to help?

Idk if they actually ended up doin that though

[rustic vale]

The fact that that is tl:dr-able

How long was it actually

[covert hare]

Replace aphro with dio

[mint coral]

Not much really, just lazy

[rustic vale]

what if we just fully replaced aphrodite with athena so I could get better ME odds

[winter plaza]

is ME really that good?

[mint coral]

Sadly yeah

[winter plaza]

how good is it to stack doom like that?

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s not like aphrodite is the first god to go in this sort of thing

[rustic vale]

You don’t stack doom

You just drop it immediately

[winter plaza]

i know but like

[rustic vale]

dash strike them

[winter plaza]

idk

i don't ever use ME

[mint coral]

That sounds like a cheating scandal moment lmal

[rustic vale]

If you watch a few speedruns with sword you’d see why

[winter plaza]

ah i see

[latent moon]

i dont think so since that's not like an approved modification to the game, even tho it doen't directly mess with gameplay
you'd have to ask them tho since that's never occured before lmao

[winter plaza]

is it the special or attack that triggers it?

[mint coral]

Usual "wow they are really lucky" > nvm they just deleted aphro

[rustic vale]

The dash

[winter plaza]

ahhh

i see now

[rustic vale]

You take the special to open it

But you dash strike into every enemy

[winter plaza]

and then they just cease to exist

[silk stone]

the clicks of arthur are slow but deal very good damage

me like

[rustic vale]

Pretty much

[latent moon]

tbf if you only submitted like 1 run of it and didn't stream then it's totally like feasible to cheat the system, but if you consistently pull off banger runs a bit too often that never had aphro then it'd get sus

[rustic vale]

The first god(dess) to go definitely wouldn’t be aphrodite though

[rustic vale]

Just rotate which god it is

[latent moon]

not advocating for cheating, but just pointing out something that would happen lmao

[winter plaza]

i don't usually do Ares or Athena on sword cause i usually go Nem and stack Aphro

[rustic vale]

Or fully remove them from game files to avoid specificallt weighting

[rustic vale]

It’s an equally valid build on most spears, and fists

And possibly spreadfire zag rail

[winter plaza]

i just usually try to grab Heart Rend

[mint coral]

Yeah spreadfire also can ME well

[winter plaza]

usually go Artie Aphro on sword

[latent moon]

if you're on fists, the special can be used to proc ME before you get the dash

[rustic vale]

spreadfire does ME well but idk if it’s ever used for speedruns

[winter plaza]

might run fists more going for ME cause i despise fists

[latent moon]

fair

[latent moon]

i think it is because it's like melee lmao

[winter plaza]

i usually use Gilgamesh though so they make contribute

what is the best fist aspect?

[latent moon]

the issue is like you need an early spread fire

[mint coral]

Dem fists

[latent moon]

or at least before furies

[rustic vale]

try to take breaching cross if you ever do

[rustic vale]

Dem > zag > talos > gilga tbh

[latent moon]

true

[winter plaza]

ill probably go for a fists run here in a bit when i get finished eating

[latent moon]

can confirm

[rustic vale]

Gilga reducing your dash distance and recharge just sucks that much

But if you have fun with it, you have fun with it

[latent moon]

slower dash strikes too, there's a delay

it's weird

[mint coral]

Maim is also just disappointing

[winter plaza]

i didn't know it reduced so much

that makes sense

[latent moon]

it reduces it to 75% or something

[winter plaza]

oof

[latent moon]

actually im not sure

[winter plaza]

that's why i got hit so much

[latent moon]

but it's def shorter

you do get more dashes tho

[mint coral]

Tho still shotout to that cherry's clip with the standing strikes

[winter plaza]

yeah gilga is the only weapon i ever considered ruthless on

i think my least used weapon is rail

i just can't stand it

[stone rune]

Hmmm i wonder what my most used weapon is

[rustic vale]

Similiar to serrated point but no 3* boost to make up for it

[rustic vale]

Consider spreadfire zag rail if you’ve got it upgraded

[winter plaza]

i will

[rustic vale]

It’s not that unlikely to force as a first hammer but that grind might be a little much

[winter plaza]

whoops

[rustic vale]

it’s really nice to play with heavy knuckle fists if heavy knuckle fists was good

[opaque fable]

rail is probably my most used weapon now

[winter plaza]

didn't know we couldn't swear

[opaque fable]

it's seriously so good

[mint coral]

My least ised weapon should be sword I think

[opaque fable]

mixes well with flat boons and % boons

[mint coral]

I used to love the fists

[winter plaza]

which is best aspect?

[opaque fable]

and the hammers are frankly ridiculous

[stone rune]

demeter

[rustic vale]

I knew but I didn’t realise roaches would get filtered yesterday or the day before

[stone rune]

oh

of rail

eris or hestia

[winter plaza]

ive had runs with all aspects i just dislike them all

[rustic vale]

zagreus is the one you want if you’re using spreadfire though

[winter plaza]

ill look into it

[opaque fable]

reloading does take getting used to

[winter plaza]

i usually grab delta

[opaque fable]

i find the damage output worth thogh

[winter plaza]

is delta the burst fire one?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[winter plaza]

i usually get delta, yeah

i assume delta isn't great though

[rustic vale]

spreadfire is the 40 base damage shotgun -6 ammo

Delta is pretty nice as a backup hammer option

Since you dash strike but keep your invincibility frames

and never have to reload anymore

[winter plaza]

i had a hestia rail run with delta and hazard earlier and it was just awful

[rustic vale]

you can still reload with delta

[mint coral]

And hazard is one of hesgia best hammers

Also by chance are you on controller

[winter plaza]

yes

[mint coral]

If yes, where is your reload

[winter plaza]

should i change it from right stick?

[mint coral]

R3 reload is a crime

I swap it with codex (l1) usually

[winter plaza]

fair enough

ill look into that

[rustic vale]

I’ve kept it r3 💀

I don’t see an issue

[winter plaza]

rarely do i switch the default controls on games unless they're so abhorrently bad that it requires it

[rustic vale]

but I may just be used to it

that definitely isn’t the right word

[latent moon]

delta is fine, it's bugged to give you full iframes on dash strikes which is nice
if you can't manage your ammo that well, it's a pretty solid pick up. technically speaking tho, on optimal play, it's a drop in dps, although idk by how much

[rustic vale]

but it sounds like it is in my head

[latent moon]

a lot of the time tho, the only thing that's stopping you from picking up delta chamber if the other hammers are better or you're on hestia

[rustic vale]

Full iframes on dstrikes is nice though

[winter plaza]

ill probably try a few more rail runs here and there

gotta try a ME sword run shortly

[rustic vale]

ME is fine on zag rail too

[mint coral]

*slaps ME *
You can fit this duo boon in so many aspects

[rustic vale]

I mean

in reality

You can fit that duo boon on every weapom

[silk stone]

can i ever get the boons of hades

😎

[jagged hamlet]

You can get a single boon

[rustic vale]

1

[silk stone]

wait actually?

[rustic vale]

One

[silk stone]

how

[rustic vale]

If you don’t know you’ven’t got there yet

Once you know you know

[winter plaza]

i feel like my skill level has taken a massive drop suddenly

[rustic vale]

huh

idk maybe you just magically had a change in perspective

[winter plaza]

i don't know, it's odd

it was happening yesterday too

i died on heroes and dad fight

i don't usually ever die on them

especially not heroes

[rustic vale]

are you running heat you weren’t before

or weapons/aspects you weren’t before?

[winter plaza]

no im at a lower heat

also on nem sword which i don't usually ever struggle with

[rustic vale]

Lower heat but is it the same pact or a new one?

There are certainly worse pacts then others

[winter plaza]

new pact

i only had em3

it was 6 heat

[rustic vale]

haven’t run em3 before? That’ll get you

[winter plaza]

i wanted to see what my issue was with heroes on em3

no no like

i usually always run em3

it's on all of my runs

[rustic vale]

Hmm

[winter plaza]

it's just odd

im suddenly struggling way more than i usually am

[rustic vale]

Possibly just a streak of bad days

I had them too when I played a lot more

[winter plaza]

that's what im thinking

but like i died on a casual 20 heat rama run yesterday at dad

and rama is insanely good for me

i usually perform well on rama

i had twin too so it's not like i was having a bad luck run

[rustic vale]

Now everyday is a good day since my expectations are through the floor but I’m succeeding more than I ever was before

[winter plaza]

i dunno

it's just odd

i beat dad on 16 hp with no SD

[rustic vale]

I mean tbf my expectations aren’t low off a bad day streak

More just expectations off rust of a 7 month hiatus

[winter plaza]

i suppose the idea that im mashing buttons may be affecting me?

[rustic vale]

But I think it’s mostly off now

[winter plaza]

it was just so sudden

[rustic vale]

Your mashing should be intentional

Like my controller is whirling in my average run but the button hits make sense

Unless it’s sword

then my buttons are hitting attack a bit too often

[winter plaza]

i dunno

i just feel like i suddenly got worse

[rustic vale]

feel

You’ll get back to where you were before

and better

[winter plaza]

preferably, yes

i have way too much ambrosia

[rustic vale]

Not preferably, rather

It will happen with time and effort

[winter plaza]

i think ive diagnosed the issue

[rustic vale]

Broken arm yeah?

[winter plaza]

the only god that's been offered consistently is Ares

[rustic vale]

Ares must be the problem

[winter plaza]

of course

[rustic vale]

you got beef with the god of war?

How

[winter plaza]

yes

i have beef with Ares

his boons aren't

great

or i don't know how to make them great

[rustic vale]

they’re great in 2 cases

Maybe 3

Merciful End based builds where you focused on dash striking w/ athena dash to drop doom

Hunting blades builds

And as a tertiary god on hangover based builds

After Dionysus and Aphrodite

[rustic vale]

Just take curse of vengeance

Outside of that he doesn’t add much

I mean you can always experiment around with like freezing vortex and whatever

For giggles

[sage sphinx]

Hey um

What do I do if I'm literally not offered a hammer in Tart or Asphodel?

Can 2 hammers appear in Ely?

Got my answer, one in store one in a room

[winter plaza]

figured it out

im not sure why but i thought everything was faster than it actually is

not sure when my brain decided everything was faster than it usually is but it did

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Did you have fo2 on before

[winter plaza]

i might've

[rustic vale]

Or fo1

I would recommend turning it on and never turning it off again

[winter plaza]

i don't usually experiment with that condition because i usually turn on lc

but i might've

[rustic vale]

Fo2 is a lifestyle you can get used to

Moreso then any other pact

and it’ll make your runs faster in 3 ways

Maybe even 4 ways

[winter plaza]

i don't usually touch it cause lc and hl are way better for my high heat runs

[rustic vale]

1. enemy spawns are faster
2. enemies take less time getting to you
3. niche: enemies prok jolted sooner and more often
4. you die sooner

[winter plaza]

certainly a way to go about things

[rustic vale]

All are pretty valid points

And then you don’t have to do the work of readjusting to having it on/off ever again

[winter plaza]

one thing ive learned is never turn on em3 on shield runs

it's pain

unless it's beowulf

not sure if it's a skill issue but em3 on shield kills me

[rustic vale]

it is

[silk stone]

giuys

why do my keepsakes not work sometimes

using artemis keepsake and i cant find artemis anywhere

[rustic vale]

It should keep forcing her whenever a god would show up normally

It won’t make more boons show up, just the next time a boon would show up

And if you pass on the offer it’ll do it again

[rustic vale]

Via chaos or taking another god

or another room reward

[winter plaza]

Shackle, you seem to know a lot

so ill ask another question

how does dread interact with chaos shield?

does it apply to all shields thrown?

[silk stone]

oh so like the first boon id get would be from artemis and not like the second i start my run

[winter plaza]

that's usually how that's supposed to work, yes

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Your special boons will affect each shield

[silk stone]

i see

[rustic vale]

Chaos still ain’t great though

[winter plaza]

so dread op on chaos

[winter plaza]

i am a loyal user of chaos shield

[rustic vale]

when you say dread, you mean doom?

[winter plaza]

dread flight

hammer

[rustic vale]

oh dread flight

[winter plaza]

ye

i don't usually ever grab dread or use shield

so idk how it interacts

[rustic vale]

Dreadflight is a different case

I believe it only affects the main shield

Otherwise it would be mentioned way more often when discussing chaos

[winter plaza]

is beowulf really the best aspect for shield?

i just can't stand how slow it is

[rustic vale]

The casts are just broken

[winter plaza]

fair enough

[rustic vale]

And you pick up charged shot, so charging speed becomes 10* faster

[rustic vale]

Btw this is just a legit fact about flares

They are broken

[winter plaza]

ah

the more you know

[rustic vale]

Mirage shot makes them deal 100% instead of 30%

[winter plaza]

i still consider myself a fairly new Hades player so

[rustic vale]

So one duo boon straight up just doubles your cast damage

[winter plaza]

i can't remember who gives mirage

is it dio and Artemis?

[rustic vale]

and something like tidal flare has good base damage with an absolutelt massive cast

Pos and artemis

[winter plaza]

ahh

[rustic vale]

So you typically run pos on cast and arte on strike since

dragon board gives your rush massive +% anyways

artemis gives you a crti chance on top to top it off

[winter plaza]

i just dislike how slow beowulf is

it's certainly an adjustment to the usual shield i run

[stone rune]

slow is an interesting word for the fastest aspect in the game

[winter plaza]

maybe i just suck with beowulf 🤷‍♀️

(i definitely do)

[rustic vale]

Did it actually win out over Hera?

[stone rune]

it has been considered as such for a long time

[rustic vale]

Haven’t checked speedrun.com in forever

[stone rune]

i mean

the wr is beo

[rustic vale]

But they’ve always been close haven’t they?

[stone rune]

8 of the top 10 are beo

beowulf composes 73% of all sub6s

8% for hera

[rustic vale]

I’m of half a mind to contribute this to beo just being more popular

But idk

[winter plaza]

may go on a beowulf streak then

apparently im missing out

[stone rune]

and also signifcantly more easy to use

which is a factor

able to be played on kbm

i could not get a sub5 on hera in 5 years

[rustic vale]

What’s the difference?

Not a kbm player

Don’t play beo much either

[stone rune]

kbm hera is absolutely miserable

[rustic vale]

Yeah but how does beo differ from hera

[stone rune]

beo is easy

[rustic vale]

But how

[stone rune]

giant hitbox

hera hitbox is not

[rustic vale]

Ig

[stone rune]

go watch the lernie in the ocke 5:11 hera kbm

[rustic vale]

Ah kbm doesn’t have sticky aim

[stone rune]

lernies should not be 40 seconds long

[rustic vale]

Controller autoaim just locking in if you look in the vague direction definitely helps

[brisk trail]

is there any dificulty slider in the game i just started before 2 days i didnt beat it yet but i feel like its decently easy still

[stone rune]

yes

you unlock it after you win

[brisk trail]

oh okay

is there more weapons then 6 or is that it?

i know that aspects exist but like what about weapons

[ashen rapids]

6 yeah

every 6 weapon have 4 aspects

[brisk trail]

oh okay thanks

[ashen rapids]

u got this

[brisk trail]

thanks haha

[ashen rapids]

[brisk trail]

is there like a best weapon or are all good?

i feel like i love the shield

[upper wolf]

shield is OP yeah

[ashen rapids]

shield have a op aspect

[brisk trail]

and the ar thing is rly bad lol

[ashen rapids]

more speedruners and good players play with it

[brisk trail]

what is it?

i feel like the shield is just so safe thats why i like it

[ashen rapids]

||beowulf|| hidden aspect

[upper wolf]

Shield has 2 OP aspect, given another is used for 64 heat

[brisk trail]

and i always use bull rush on it bc i love movemnt

[ashen rapids]

ah yeah the zeus aspect

[weary gorge]

Is there a digital artbook for hades?

[brisk trail]

what does it do?

[ashen rapids]

charging ur cast with bull rush

like charging ur cast into ur attack

combines two together

[brisk trail]

i rly like when i get shield buff where it deals more dmg on bull rush on timing

[brisk trail]

that sounds rly nice

whats the best cast with it then?

[ashen rapids]

they use poseidon cast for that

[brisk trail]

never had that one lol

i rly like war cast

[ashen rapids]

u will lol

[brisk trail]

when it has buff to pull in especially

[ashen rapids]

war u mean ares?

[brisk trail]

ye i forgot the name haha

[latent moon]

generally split between top 3 and bottom 3 in not any particular order
shield, rail, and bow are top 3
sword, spear, and fists are bottom 3

[brisk trail]

bro rail and bow are so boring imo

shield 🔛🔝

[latent moon]

i mean that doesnt make them any less strong if you find them boring

[brisk trail]

true

is burst on rail good or no?

[latent moon]

the hammer? delta chamber?

[brisk trail]

idk the thing where u dont have to reload

[latent moon]

yeah that

it's good

it's bugged so that you get full iframes on dash strikes

very safe option

the only reason you wouldn't want to take it is if there's a better hammer option really

with proper reload management and whatnot, it's technically less dps but it's still good for iframes and safety

i dont think anyone really dislikes the hammer

oh yeah you also wouldn't want to take it on hestia since there's no reason to

hestia doesnt get the iframe bug for the empowered shot

[stiff obsidian]

/?it doesnt

[latent moon]

i guess looping back to this, rail is the only weapon in the game that has 4 good aspects that work in the meta lmao

[latent moon]

iirc it doesnt, i remember someone in speedcord mentioned that i think

[stiff obsidian]

well i guess you dont need it anyway

[brisk trail]

so wait how long are iframes without the bug and how long with the bug?

[latent moon]

well it depends on when you dash strike

like

as soon as you hit the attack button your iframes are cut off

[brisk trail]

oh okay i get it

so if i dont dash strike and i only dash i frames are for the whole duration?

[latent moon]

yeah

if you hit attack during the middle of it then you get half the iframes

if you hit attack near the end of it you get more iframes and still dash strike

[brisk trail]

makes sense yea thanks

[latent moon]

there's a shield tech with that where if you do a delayed dash strike you slide and get more distance out of it

good for speeding up traverse

[brisk trail]

is shield best speedrun weapon?

bc thata what someone else said

[latent moon]

and also since the dash strike on shield is a swipe, you can "extend" iframes by wacking away projectiles

[latent moon]

yeah, beowulf kinda strong

the other shields suck for speed

[brisk trail]

okay thanks

[latent moon]

beo abuses bugs to be the top speedrun weapon lmao

tbf without it it'd still be good but it wouldn't be the top probably

[brisk trail]

oh okay haha

is there any gods that are like bad?

[latent moon]

in general?

[brisk trail]

like the buffs of it

[latent moon]

demeter is generally considered the worst because she doesn't really offer anything much except for the amount of unpommables she has and good support boons for castpects

[brisk trail]

lets say theres hades and zeus

and lets say zeus is worse

u would always take hades

[latent moon]

ah

honestly extremely dependent

[brisk trail]

whos that lol

im bad with names

[latent moon]

ice god

inflicts chill on it

[brisk trail]

oh yea i liked her cast ig

[latent moon]

her cast sucks

[stiff obsidian]

grumpy old lady

[brisk trail]

it deals alot of damage but if they move its ass

love goddes is so bad tho😩

[latent moon]

her beams suck unless you get her duo with artemis, crystal clarity

[brisk trail]

and i dont mean it in a bad way haha

[latent moon]

then it sucks less

[brisk trail]

oh okay haha

[latent moon]

aphrodite has large % so that's nice

[brisk trail]

i dont even know that u could duo casts😭

[latent moon]

look through the codex lol

honestly tho

[stiff obsidian]

large % of what

[latent moon]

every god has some use in some build

even if the build isn't hard meta lmao

[latent moon]

% modifier smh

[brisk trail]

yea thats what i liek about hades

everything is atleast decent

and its rly hard but u can get rly good and make it easy

unlike some other games where its alot more rng and alot of items suck

[latent moon]

ngl i think demeter is less than decent lmao

[brisk trail]

oh rip haha

but most stuff is atleast decent ig

[latent moon]

dem has her place in some builds but those builds are kinda eh except like 2 of them

which technically speaking is like 2/3 builds but also in one of them she's vaguely replaceable lmao

but yeah most stuff is decent even if you aren't playing meta

[brisk trail]

w game

[stiff obsidian]

there are so many good things that the decent ones seem bad in comparision

[latent moon]

are beams decent

like given enough rng beams can be strong

but also given enough rng a lot of things can be strong

[stiff obsidian]

you can build it well

[latent moon]

isn't "build it well" just like get chaos casts and pom glacial glare lmao

[stiff obsidian]

yea

and duo

[latent moon]

which is like the same philosophy as trippy beo, except that pom bug kinda makes the damage good

oh yeah the duo

duh

trippy beo doesnt really need mirage to be good tho i think

idk beams dont feel decent to me lmao

still a viable strategy but i wouldn't recommend it to anyone lmao

[gray apex]

If you’re speedrunning you’ll want mirage

It’s really important that your cast hits twice

[latent moon]

that makes sense

[gray apex]

So you can one shot an armored enemy

Instead of wasting 2 stones

[latent moon]

yeah it's less of "i dont have enough damage" and more of "i cant afford to waste casts"

god 1 stoning an armored enemy sounds so dumb

[brisk trail]

is there a release date or atleast a month for hades 2 or still unknown?

[winter plaza]

easiest dad fight of my life

[opaque fable]

if i wanted to get the no boon dialogue what's the plan?

i know hestia is my best bet

can i take chaos or what

[stiff obsidian]

Yeah

Chaos and hammers are allowed

[opaque fable]

slow and steady gameplay i guess

[mint coral]

Any boon that can't be sold also can be taken

So like 1 dem boon, 1 pos boon and 1 dio boon

[stiff obsidian]

Can u get rare crop first boon

[mint coral]

With rolls maybe

[opaque fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190800419203584095/1191747368224309419/image.png?ex=65a6903a&is=65941b3a&hm=ead83b721e0a3660ddd934720ad32e6b19371ae6f64d775b394cb62f155d7d3b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671

i never know what to pick with eurydice here

[mint coral]

Nectar for better jolted sounds fine

The funny answer is gamble for heroic rd

Or save scum it idk

Also swap shadow to fiery next time

Special can't backstab and attack buff bad

[opaque fable]

oh i forgor

we always gamba i guess

wow it hit literally nothing important

[mint coral]

Lmfao

Did it hit life affirmation and pp or what

[opaque fable]

actually it hit special

which is not too bad

but other hit affirmation yeah

it's fine i hit clockets in elysium first room

turbo free

[rustic vale]

Aren’t you guaranteed to get 3 cores of you have none?

[rustic vale]

Save schm heroic rd 💪

[stiff obsidian]

not if you roll

[mint coral]

You can roll to show the other stuff

[rustic vale]

oh rlly? i swear it always gives me more cores when I roll

Ig the high heat ap2 players would know better than I do though

[stiff obsidian]

modded player here cant relate

[opaque fable]

triple bomb or targeting system for first hammer

(third is flurry on eris)

[stiff obsidian]

targetting

[olive mantle]

Is there a way to check which aspect I have beaten Hades with except going through the run history thing?

[upper wolf]

Next to the run history thing you have a idk summary or record thing

Tells you what you won for each aspect

[opaque fable]

eris, flurry or rico?

[rustic vale]

Ricochet

[mint coral]

What was the third option

[opaque fable]

spread fire

which is why i didn't include it

[mint coral]

That was a sad hammer

[opaque fable]

yes very tragic

[abstract wave]

Yo

[upper wolf]

howdy

[abstract wave]

Bought the game a while ago on a discount

I immediately started a hell mode run

[opaque fable]

that's uh

not really recommended?

[abstract wave]

I'm used to difficulty

It increases a game's longevity

And I'm invested in it so it's not like I'll just drop it for dying too much

[opaque fable]

trust me this game gets plenty difficult if you want it to be

[abstract wave]

So I heard

I'm dreading the day I'll inevitably crank the difficulty through the roof out of boredom

Like I did with Dead Cells

Before I do that though, I'm definitely going to 100% this

[upper wolf]

Have fun ! Though go to #h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid spoilers

And also yeah dw the game will absolutely kick your ass if you ask for it lol

[abstract wave]

Patience is the name of the game

Also, the bow

[upper wolf]

patience is but one of the requirements on higher difficulties

[abstract wave]

The bow is the other

[olive mantle]

okay tysm

[abstract wave]

[upper wolf]

bow is pretty good, especially when starting

[abstract wave]

It's the weapon I used to beat the game the first time

[upper wolf]

early unlock, good baseline, safe, can't really have a bad build

ok, one downside : people often don't realize they should dash attack with the bow

[abstract wave]

I had a round with all the other weapons, I almost beat it with the shield a few hours ago

[abstract wave]

That's all I do

[upper wolf]

shield is the other best early weapon imo

[abstract wave]

Why wouldn't you dash attack with the bow

[upper wolf]

that's what you should do yeah

[abstract wave]

I got reckless with it and wasted my death defiances early. Hades kicked my ass

[opaque fable]

hard for beginners + less damage per strike

though of course dash strike charges faster so it's actually dps positive

[abstract wave]

I didn't get lucky with refreshes, either

[upper wolf]

another consideration is that attacks that don't hit because you got cancelled out of it don't do any damage

also dead people don't do damage either

[abstract wave]

Of course dead people do damage

[opaque fable]

bombers

[abstract wave]

Skeletons are the most basic enemy in the game

[opaque fable]

i think i take more damage from bombers than furies + lernie combined during eris runs

[lavish sorrel]

[upper wolf]

game theory : bombers/others I forgot the name of are skeletons of rabbits. That's why they jump EVERY BLOODY SECOND

[opaque fable]

me trying to hit bombers with my underbarrel during fo2

[covert hare]

What is the name of the skeletons? Because I’m sure I heard Zagreus call them “ practice targets “ like if they were skelly

[abstract wave]

Back

[abstract wave]

They have different names but I don't bother remembering

They're in the codex

[lavish sorrel]

infernobombers, bonerakers, wavemakers, bloodless, slamdancers

[abstract wave]

There's the lunge skeleton, the punch skeleton, the wave skeleton

I may be forgetting one

[covert hare]

Skelly

[lavish sorrel]

the green bomber

[abstract wave]

Oh yeah, the bombers are also skeletons. I forgot about them

[lavish sorrel]

that I don't remember the name of

[upper wolf]

yeah they have a weird name I think

can't remember it

[covert hare]

Also the mini bone hydra heads

[abstract wave]

They're punch zombies

Skelly is like the shady uncle who gives his nephews stolen goods for gifts whenever he drops by

[stiff obsidian]

everybodies fav enemies

[covert hare]

Why doesn’t anyone know about skelly, does no one ever go to zagreus room?

[lavish sorrel]

[abstract wave]

There are others who are aware of Skelly

Mainly Hades

And whoever writes the Codex

[lavish sorrel]

||charon||

achilles too

[upper wolf]

... Do you expect random peeps to barge into his room for funsies ? oO

[covert hare]

And nicte but only if you tell her

[abstract wave]

He still is the prince of the underworld

[abstract wave]

Who the hell is nicte

[covert hare]

Yes

[lavish sorrel]

nyx but typo

[brisk trail]

how do i reveal hidden aspect for shield?

[abstract wave]

Of course

[covert hare]

Zagreus pretty much does the same

[mint coral]

Pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[covert hare]

It’s not a typo, it’s her name in Spanish

[lavish sorrel]

unlock the spear's hidden aspect, then enter chaos with the shield

(and then get lucky)

[abstract wave]

Luck is the best stat in any game

[lavish sorrel]

so true

[noble dawn]

i love critting every hit

[opaque fable]

common pp is a 300% dps increase if you roll well enough

[mint coral]

You also need to invest 5 blood into the shield

[abstract wave]

Drop rates are all we yearn for

[opaque fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190800419203584095/1191787396728103083/image.png?ex=65a6b581&is=65944081&hm=53edb028ab5c3502400d463a197aec0b7822b5c637b5cf1fdfc8b5f99870fe20&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671

woah when did these get here

[noble dawn]

at 7:48

[mint coral]

Nice one

[abstract wave]

15 ambrosia

[mint coral]

You got all the work orders pretty sure

[opaque fable]

i've had all the work orders for a while now

idk why they just appeared now

[noble dawn]

15 ambrosia is light

[opaque fable]

wait, is this because i freed sisyphus?

[mint coral]

Explaining themes is always a pain cuz of this

[abstract wave]

Bru

h

[mint coral]

The only info we have is wiki saying unlock all work orders

But idk if is rng after that or smth else

[abstract wave]

Oh yeah, who did you get max friendship with first?

[mint coral]

Charon

[opaque fable]

artemis

[abstract wave]

I was aiming for both Meg and Charon at once but got Charon first

I'm now going for Athena

[noble dawn]

skelly, then charon

[abstract wave]

Skelly is such a mood

[abstract wave]

I was watching a vid and I keep thinking about what Artemis did to one of her subordinates who broke the chastity vow due to Zeus' trickery

[opaque fable]

don't worry, callisto is just a cool nymph who can transform into a bear in this game

[abstract wave]

Alr bet

Also, which one you'd pick? Nereids or dryads?

Lemme double check and make sure I'm not mistaking nereids with another species

[opaque fable]

hades tunes down the frankly insane cruelty and ickness of regular greek mythos

[abstract wave]

While God of War just butchers it for the sake of telling its story

Funny thing is that was my first interaction with the Greek pantheon

So a lot of what I saw there, I took as the main canon of what happens in the actual mythos for a while

Back when I was a kid

Took me a while to realize it's a whole lot of BS in terms of accuracy

[abstract wave]

Seeing the gods act all buddy buddy raises all my red flags

[drowsy linden]

seeing hades in a party raises all my red flags

[solemn knot]

The olympians really didn’t behave much better than the titans. Infact, big bad Cronus ruled over a golden age for humanity at least and the Romans may have given such deference to Saturn partly because of this

[upper wolf]

hades is the least problematic major greek god in most versions

[abstract wave]

Levels of irony high enough to straighten my clothes

[opaque fable]

I just realized. Does fo make hades's intro animation where he burns his cape faster

[drowsy linden]

logically speaking, it should since enemy spawns are also faster

[jagged hamlet]

If only logic applied to the mechanics of video games LOL. cough Beowulf cough

[teal sparrow]

Question: I have gotten to 10 heat with all weapons, but if I jump instantly to 16 heat, do I still get the statue or do I need to complete it 6 more times for it to count?

[mint coral]

You get the statue

[teal sparrow]

Aight thank you!

[strong ridge]

jump to 64

all 3 in one go

[untold onyx]

It's the only way

[opaque fable]

Ok lc4 has to be one of my least favorite pacts

Probably will have to turn it down to lc3 and make up the 1 heat somewhere else

[winter plaza]

lc4 just sucks

i can't think of anyone who uses lc4 that isn't going for really hard challenge runs

[opaque fable]

It just kills so many options

And i am a stubborn defiance hater

[winter plaza]

most are

i am too but i chose to run it anyways

[lavish sorrel]

free pact setting if you use stubborn defiance in the mirror

[opaque fable]

i just really dislike being capped at ~30-35% max hp

[lavish sorrel]

get patroclus buff and well items EZ

[opaque fable]

what patroclus buff

[lavish sorrel]

patty replaces his DD refill with an item that lets you heal +50% of your max health from stubborn defiance

[opaque fable]

huh

[lavish sorrel]

in other words, you heal 80%

[opaque fable]

would've been nice to know that

[stiff obsidian]

its nice until u realize you only get it in late elysium

and even then you only have a ~50% chance of him showing up

[drowsy linden]

ri4 funny

[drowsy linden]

and then realize if you dont get 2sack you dont keep it for dad

[stiff obsidian]

idk cant relate

speedrun modpack

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s mainly used @ 32 heat and up

Wih stubborn defiance

[rustic vale]

It’s nice becauze you get it late i elysium

If you 2 sack you can have it for dad

[upper wolf]

I don't like the design of LC4 because it invalidates so many things (boons, well items, heal in shops, etc) but it's not that hard. Still, if the aim was to make it harder to go through a run, I would rather have a -max HP or HP cost on going through a door or things like that

[lavish sorrel]

modded players trying not to spread propaganda challenge (impossible)

[stiff obsidian]

u know when i got the modpack

i thought i would only use it for first hammer and nothing else

and 2 sack

[drowsy linden]

its just level 7 guan yu

[opaque fable]

if i lose to td3 because i 5 sacked i'm going to be madge

[upper wolf]

^

[winter plaza]

that's just pain

[opaque fable]

ok 19:33.90

dad didn't darkness much or use full laser

[winter plaza]

so?

did you die to td3?

[opaque fable]

19:33.90 is my final time

[winter plaza]

oooh

[opaque fable]

i just tanked hits to kill him faster

[winter plaza]

fair enough

[drowsy linden]

you can hug him during lasers

[rustic vale]

Pretty cool that dad doesn’t hurt you if you hug them

[opaque fable]

yay epilogue completed

[drowsy linden]

[opaque fable]

what an incredible game

here i thought i was just getting an action roguelike but i also got a cool story

[rustic vale]

Saying that as if it’s over

[opaque fable]

i expect post-epilogue dialogue

and besides i don't even have all the chibis

i NEED them

[rustic vale]

There is

I still get new dialogue 500+ runs in

Granted it’s usually hypnos telling me I died to something I hadn’t died to yet

[drowsy linden]

i still havent gotten all than dialogue

just finished the ares-nyx portion

[brisk trail]

i finally beat hades after 2 days of playing

and with spear which i used 3 times in my life but i got good spear mods

[jagged hamlet]

Two whole days oh my goodness

[brisk trail]

yea ik its too much :((

[jagged hamlet]

That's really quick

[brisk trail]

i learn quick ig

its easy tho

[lucid sinew]

what is ambrosia used for? (ive been saving up so much for nothing?)

[jagged hamlet]

For buying blood and for gifting to characters when nectar isn't delicious enough

[lucid sinew]

ahhh i seee

thank you

[upper wolf]

yeah it's a pretty late game resource

it's worth exchanging a few for titan bloods

[drowsy linden]

same, i cleared with fists, of which i had used twice(including the clear)

[brisk trail]

lmao

[fluid cosmos]

can you copy saves

[upper wolf]

yeah

there's a patented save for speedrunning with everything unlocked

[deep glade]

quick question, for the quest where you have to catch 25 fish, can I sell all my fish and have them still count towards the prophecy?

[opaque fable]

am i stupid?

i just realized that the reason why hades cast makes you take double damage is because his cast is stuck in you, procing boiling blood.

the mirror talent that gives you damage if you have a cast stuck in an enemy.

[high solar]

hey does anyone know if the thanatos keepsake work even if u dequip it (like if i cleat the first floor of hell with the keepsake and in floor 2 swap to a different keepsake)

[mint coral]

no

oops

srry

[deep glade]

You have to keep it on

[high solar]

sad

[mint coral]

same goes for plume

[high solar]

is there like a specific keepsake that is better to use at the begging

begining*

[mint coral]

the ones from the gods

[deep glade]

Any olympians

[mint coral]

to set up builds

if you like rng go shackle or purse

[high solar]

ight so ill continue doing that ig

that was pretty fast responce time for a server that didnt have a msg in 10 minutes

[mint coral]

we are always watching

[mint coral]

there's a prophecy for that?

[deep glade]

Yeah, you have to talk to poseidon after

[mint coral]

oh you mean his favor

[deep glade]

yeah

[mint coral]

you need at least 1 fish with you to trigger the last dialogue

[deep glade]

ohh alright

[drowsy linden]

yes
25 fish, at least one rare

[deep glade]

thanks

[mint coral]

so you can deliver, just be sure to get another one later if you do it

[drowsy linden]

you can just sell

somenoobdying is being confused

[mint coral]

no you do need to have a fish in hand with you to complete the favor

[drowsy linden]

im talking about the prophecy

which is not the favor

[mint coral]

yeah just checked

my bad

finally I understand why there's always the argument between 18 or 25 fish for poseidon favor lmao

[deep glade]

theres an argument about that?

where does 18 come from?

[mint coral]

I legit forgot about that prophecy

18 is for the favor (aka unlocking the last heart/gifting ambrosia)

that one doesn't need a rare fish but needs you to have one with you in hand

[deep glade]

oh god

thanatos is smiling

it's creepy

[ashen rapids]

[steel rampart]

How are humans doing in hades

I thought it was mentioned somewhere that Demeter made it eternally winter

[opaque fable]

they are uh\

not doing well

[deep glade]

isin't there also a war going on too?

[opaque fable]

at least until the epilogue, presumably

was that stated anywhere?

probably some random ares dialogue

[deep glade]

pretty sure hades says something about it a few times

could be wrong though

I've only been playing for a week

[drowsy linden]

yeah there is at least 1 war

[upper wolf]

Yeah, there's a big war on the surface when the game takes place

Which gives a lot of extra work to than

[formal citrus]

Can you stack Athena death defiances when using stubborn defiance?

Or is it capped at 1?

[upper wolf]

You can stack

It's very good

The Athena defiances only work once though

[formal citrus]

So I can have two Athena defiances and a stubborn defiance?

[granite ether]

normally no, with cheese yes

[formal citrus]

I lost my stubborn but not my previous Athena and am now being offered the other Athena defiance

What's the cheese?

[stone rune]

pretty sure it'll just give the second to you

so long as you remembered to pop

im checking rn

[granite ether]

use your stubborn defiance in the room with an athena boon offered, pray you get the DD restoring boon

[formal citrus]

Yeah that's how I got the first

[stone rune]

thats not really cheese

thats just how it works

but yeah heres proof

https://youtu.be/YOF3YfqCwBE?t=1427

[formal citrus]

Just wondering if I can do that to get a second one and have 2 Athenas and a stubborn

[stone rune]

second athena dd is perfectly fine

[granite ether]

it's very much cheese, just because its how it works don't mean its intended to work that way

[formal citrus]

Baller ty!

[stone rune]

it's like

a strategy that everyone has been doing for several years

[deep glade]

wait, aspect of arthur?

as in king arthur

[formal citrus]

Good to know you can double up. Time to lose them immediately because I put too much pressure on myself/got out of the flow to ask!

[stone rune]

yes

[deep glade]

damn, hades really hitting every corner of fantasy

[formal citrus]

(it did indeed work)

[granite ether]

ye it works because you always lose your Stubborn Defiance first

[brisk trail]

I hate getting all of the weapon aspects

[marsh lily]

i love grinding for resources in games so i enjoy it

[formal citrus]

Eyy, having three defiances and epic hyper delivery going into the fight helps a lot. Only needed 2. And no pat even

Oh and two braids still active.

And also like 250% extra parting shot damage on hera

Think I forgot to use battie.

Cool this happened on my 120th now success

[drowsy linden]

its time to muster up my courage and turn on attack at cursor

my 10 minutes of bastion gameplay have trained me for this

[covert hare]

bastion from overwatch?

[deep glade]

💀

[drowsy linden]

💀

||#bastion message||

[covert hare]

[high solar]

can someone explain to me what "priviledged status" from nyx's mirror does idk what the description means

[deep glade]

any enemy that has 2 status effects on them at the same time (for example weak and hangover) take up to 40% extra damage

[high solar]

oh

thats kinda ass ngl

[deep glade]

it can be really useful, depending on your build

[upper wolf]

funny, usually people think the opposite at first x)

family favorite is usually better

[high solar]

my build only uses doom lmao

[upper wolf]

you have only one build ?

[high solar]

yea thats the only one im using rn

[upper wolf]

damn, looks like beo speedrunners

[high solar]

im tryna beat hades first

[upper wolf]

valid

Although I do find it funny

I love exploring builds. Hell, even now I try to go for suboptimal builds when the optimal ones are too similar

world splitter zagsword in the building