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#h1-discussion
ashen rapids
covert hare
that sucks because my mom told me to not waste a lot of energy
ashen rapids
that sucks because my mom told me to not waste a lot of energy
just a little research u can see what im saying
and test this
covert hare
just a little research u can see what im saying
i trust you, im just saying the solution kinda sucks for me
ashen rapids
well buddy that's how laptops work
unfortunately
my last laptop's battery died cus no colling and fan system
this one has colling and fan itself
covert hare
well i guess i just cant play hades anymore
playing while plugged wastes a lot of energy
and fixing the problem is not possible
desert tundra
processor recommendations are pretty high
recommended doesn't equal minimum
you can still run it fine on a laptop i use one
drowsy linden
maybe 4.0 was the minimum and 4.3 was recommended, i dont remember too well
ashen rapids
processor recommendations are pretty high
oh got it
ashen rapids
playing while plugged wastes a lot of energy
what
u lose battery energy while it is charging?
that laptop is doomed bro
drowsy linden
nvm its 2.4ghz dual core required, 3.0 quad core recommended
and yet my 2.1 or 2.3 ghz dual core could run it fine
ashen rapids
Ok now it happened unplugged but without playing anything
battery problem,overheathing
thermal paste
or dust
covert hare
or dust
Well atleast this means I can still play hades!
Just be careful of not letting the battery dropping to 30%
covert hare
bad for pc tho
Also when I inmediately turn it on again
The battery is still at 29 or 30
Not at 0
covert hare
it should be like that tho
Ok just asking to be sure, btw thanks for your help
ashen rapids
Ok just asking to be sure, btw thanks for your help
no problem take care
glacial storm
Honestly thank god the devs included steam cross saves with switch
One of the best decisions I’ve seen in gaming of all time
steep condor
things being made compatible rather than purposely made to not be
rustic vale
Mfw when the game devs do something cool 
lament yarrow
bro this game goes hard crazy how they haven't patched it like ever
rustic vale
I mean when you take a look at other games like chess you can see it’s not impossible 
lament yarrow
but in chess they buffed the pawn
no bug fixes or anything
so is it really a patch
void vigil
And the roaches of course
lament yarrow
i get the bug that i move my hand too fast and my pieces fall over
rustic vale
I forgot roaches would tip the filter 
lament yarrow
like i think they should fix that with like magnets or something
oh you're talking abt the ****roaches right
wow discord stinks
rustic vale
Eh not really? They’ve just set up a bot looking for specific keywords
lament yarrow
no i mean the asterisks transforming from 4 to 2
because i obviously wanted 2 italicized asterisks
rustic vale
That tells discord that you don’t want any fancy text
otherwise it sees asterisks and is like oh you want bold? or oh you want italics?
Same this with the tildes
rustic vale
~~ text ~~
->
text
The backslashes tell discord it’s only going to be text
not trying to make it italics or bolden
lament yarrow
ok backslashes gotcha
rustic vale
yippee indeed
void vigil
🥳
rustic vale
# before texts =
BIG TEXT
rustic vale
i beat the game for the first time today
🥳
lament yarrow
i got this game so late into the lifecycle
honestly debated just waiting for hades 2
rustic vale
You got into the game @ like
the best time as of right now
The Hades game knowledge has never been better
For being able to help new players
lament yarrow
oh fr
i figured the game like dwindled down
eh actually since the sequel is coming up i would expect it to surge a little again
lament yarrow
thats what happens a lot to like smaller games late into the cycle
upper wolf
"smaller"
lament yarrow
i played warner bros multiversus so its an extremely similar case
upper wolf
jarvis, pull up the Hades sales number
rustic vale
I decided to come back after a 7 month hiatus because I felt like it 
rustic vale
And also to see if any of my wonderful reference images were used by other people
lament yarrow
"smaller"
any game where the most popular yter focused 50% or more on the game is under 500k subs i'd say its a smaller game
thats my metric
rustic vale
turns out, exactly one was
lament yarrow
i play fighting games and roguelikes, if my coworkers don't know about the game then its a smaller game
lament yarrow
LOL ever since i got the game i started mainlining haelian uploads
rustic vale
I’ve watched all of
.25 videos
his tierlist video right up until the part where it said it was based on ‘how much fun he had with the weapons?’ So I could properly quote him
iirc
It’s been a while
lament yarrow
my natural instinct with games as soon as i start playing is to like learn as much as possible and optimize my gameplay as fast as possible
lament yarrow
his tierlist video right up until the part where it said it was based on ‘how mu...
based tier list
rustic vale
I came here rather than going to youtube
lament yarrow
i havent seen the list at all
but video games are toys and if you aren't having fun with the toy then get off the video game
rustic vale
based tier list
Mainly because people here were parroting that “x weapon is good, Haelian put it here on his tierlist” and then I could pull out the “he literally based it off his level of enjoyment, not strength, so he said himself”
because I can have fun with aspect of Talos
that does not make Talos anywhere near a top tier aspect
stone rune
hades is a popular game but also kinda a small game
it sold a bajillion copies or whatever
but the active community these days is rather small
lament yarrow
1 zillion copies off the shelves
rustic vale
It’s actually 1 morbillion 
lament yarrow
it sold a bajillion copies or whatever
what % do you think got past meg
thats a big thing with these types of games too
stone rune
depends on what % its of
if its just of owned copies
like 30%
because like 60% of people probably have never launched it
but of people who actually gave it a go like 80%
thats just how steam is
lament yarrow
actually yeah nvm i beat meg like first or second try, maybe like hydra is a good example
stone rune
i contribute to that number for some games
upper wolf
Can I post the steam charts of multiversus and hades here ?
rustic vale
never forget the one gamer who came in to complain that Hades didn’t have checkpoints 🫡
mint hatch
lol what
lament yarrow
but it also means the people who actually persisted and beat the game got to talk to other ppl who beat the game and bc its a smaller number, you can like innovate more
and a "meta" of sorts develops and stuff
rustic vale
Can I post the steam charts of multiversus and hades here ?
Yeah just send the medua links
stone rune
isnt multiversus desd
lament yarrow
multiversus did die yeah
rustic vale
Tbh it isn’t really “of sorts” at this point
lament yarrow
well its coming back
stone rune
but like
rustic vale
SSG would have to drop a nuclear bomb of an update to rattle the meta at this point
lament yarrow
multiversus peak counts are like insane
stone rune
most peopple whove played hades havent actually played hades
stone rune
SSG would have to drop a nuclear bomb of an update to rattle the meta at this po...
2 to 1.3
stone rune
most peopple whove played hades havent actually played hades
the steam achievement for 16 heat is like 10%
its like most people just havent really played much
lament yarrow
multiversus actually became fun when it died idk if that makes sense
stone rune
which is reasonable theres a lot of games to play
rustic vale
honestly steam achievements for 40 heat should’ve been added 🫡
stone rune
i have plenty of games i havent put much into
rustic vale
And 64
lament yarrow
bc they added more characters and the player count dropped but all the good players formed like a community and the game got labbed so ridiculously hard
rustic vale
i have plenty of games i havent put much into
Tbh whenever I think about buying new games I kinda feel like “ok but did I really play that one game I bought enough?
stone rune
meanwhile for the vast majority of this year the only game ive played is hades
rustic vale
And since younger me bought a crap load of games
stone rune
Tbh whenever I think about buying new games I kinda feel like “ok but did I real...
i dont have this self control
stone rune
And since younger me bought a crap load of games
i am your younger me for me
lament yarrow
what i did with isaac is get the game and immediately download a dead god save file and played on that
rustic vale
Hey I can gladly say the only thing giving me this self control is my adhd medication and my mentality
2 days I didn’t take my adhd medication this year
rustic vale
Both days spent $50 on like 5 or 6 different steam games
Now I have enough roguelites to keep me occupied forever
lament yarrow
Tbh whenever I think about buying new games I kinda feel like “ok but did I real...
i would be willing to pay $1 an hour for entertainment, as long as i played a $30 game for 30 hours i'd say i got my money's worth
thats my mentality
stone rune
i already have too many roguelites
isaac gungeon tiny rogues children of morta moon whatever and more
i went thru a phase earlier this year
was picking them up everywhere i could
thrns out i just liked hades
lament yarrow
i would be willing to pay $1 an hour for entertainment, as long as i played a $3...
(my most played game is a free to play game which i put like 2k steam hours into)
rustic vale
i would be willing to pay $1 an hour for entertainment, as long as i played a $3...
At this point I’ve paid about 8 cents CAD per hour of enjoyment
stone rune
(my most played game is a free to play game which i put like 2k steam hours into...
i have 4.6k in a 2 dollar mobile game
rustic vale
On Hades
stone rune
twinning
rustic vale
At this point I’ve paid about 8 cents CAD per hour of enjoyment
I’d say it’s worth it
stone rune
hades is the 2nd best hours per dollar i have
lament yarrow
At this point I’ve paid about 8 cents CAD per hour of enjoyment
i've got about $1 an hour rn
stone rune
and by far the best enjoyment for dollar
lament yarrow
i've played the game for around 10 hours and i spent like 10 bucks on it
stone rune
because even though i have 4.6k in gd i was enjoying like 20 max
rustic vale
spent like 32.50 or smthing, sitting on my 405 hours
stone rune
that game sucks
lament yarrow
i got it on sale after christmas
stone rune
i spent 12.50 and i have like 1300
rustic vale
I didn’t buy it on sale, it was actually an impulse buy like 2 or 3 years ago that I only truly started playing last year
I remember watching one of my favourite youtubers play it in early access
lament yarrow
i got it because dash slash thing go boom big sword do big swing
bro now i gotta farm keys
and gems actually
rustic vale
oh yeah
lament yarrow
i have like 3 renovations
waxen nexus
bro now i gotta farm keys
this made me realize how in the late game, keys are basically useless
lament yarrow
yeah ik
rustic vale
this made me realize how in the late game, keys are basically useless
Real
I’m sitting on a large stack of it all
lament yarrow
i feel like i was kinda dumb with my titans blood when i unlocked every weapon
i put 1 in every weapon and now its like actually placebo
rustic vale
Eh you can always get more titans blood
waxen nexus
yeah, its probably better to fully upgrade a few weapons at first
lament yarrow
eh doesn't matter i don't think
yeah i'll just max out weapons slowly as i do like my heat bounties
mint hatch
It's better to try them all before commiting
rustic vale
Pinned in #h1-for-new-players is a guide that kinda tells you which aspects are going to really benefit from putting more blood into them
lament yarrow
i just use whatever weapon i see has the darkness and gem bonus
waxen nexus
i just use whatever weapon i see has the darkness and gem bonus
thats one of the best hades mechanics imo
rustic vale
really feeling that 3% bow crit chance
I unironically love zag bow
It’s like my main weapon almost
It’s the only weapon I’ve sub10’ed with and the only weapon I’ve cleared 40 heat with
waxen nexus
I unironically love zag bow
do you think stacking the inherent crit with artemis boons is a good idea? (i like doing it for thematic reasons)
lament yarrow
I unironically love zag bow
i used the titans blood that i got from clearing hades for the first time to get aspect of chiron
so imma experiment with that tomorrow
tier 1 of course
rustic vale
do you think stacking the inherent crit with artemis boons is a good idea? (i li...
I mean you can look at my build as it is right there
rustic vale
Wheres the final ss
rustic vale
those 4 arrows gonna go crazy
Chiron really needs to be level 4 or 5 to even consider hititng the special button
lament yarrow
do you think stacking the inherent crit with artemis boons is a good idea? (i li...
usually just leaning really hard into your strengths works
rustic vale
lament yarrow
Chiron really needs to be level 4 or 5 to even consider hititng the special butt...
hades is getting it bro
rustic vale
As you can see from my plentiful artemis boons
lament yarrow
hit him once with primary then he's getting 4 arrows to the keister
rustic vale
Tbh I would’ve liked to have seen heart rend or deadly reversal since both were open
mint hatch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1189834483659198474/...
The best 3 hermes boons
It's kind of sad how artemis gets overshadowed by aphro attack in her own builds
rustic vale
True Bouldy movespeed is my favourite hermes boon
lament yarrow
idek what any of those boons are by the icons but imma assume the run was cracked
rustic vale
do you think stacking the inherent crit with artemis boons is a good idea? (i li...
She can be fine but if you go the artemis route you need to hit chaos
When I say “artemis route” I mean with artemis on attack
aphrodite builds still take her for heart rend
waxen nexus
It's kind of sad how artemis gets overshadowed by aphro attack in her own builds
i think especially on high heat the weak debuff aphro gives is really good to offset the higher damage
mint hatch
In high heat the goal is more kill everything before they can look in your general direction
lament yarrow
wait if i clear a run with a weapon i haven't cleared with before and i do it on like 1 heat do i get 2 of each reward or just one
rustic vale
consistently killing enemies in oneshot works a lot better than sometimes hitting enemies for way overkill
rustic vale
wait if i clear a run with a weapon i haven't cleared with before and i do it on...
just one
lament yarrow
yeah figured
rustic vale
it’ll count as the lowest heat bounty
waxen nexus
yeah, you instead of clearing once on 0, and once on 1, you can istead do two 1 heat clears and get the same rewards
lament yarrow
sure bro i'll do a 20 heat run while i farm the 14 keys i still need for the mirror
rustic vale
clear your bounties at a harder difficulty
lament yarrow
and with my tier 1 zag rail
lament yarrow
bro the run i won with earlier
waxen nexus
i wish higher heat gave more rewards so that there was a reason to play on high heat if you want to grind resources
rustic vale
i wish higher heat gave more rewards so that there was a reason to play on high ...
The reason the play high heat is bragging rights
Dem cast goes crazy at 0 heat
Just like everything else
waxen nexus
The reason the play high heat is bragging rights
bragging rights dont unlock the resource director ranks tho
lament yarrow
and at 64 heat assuming you're the best player to live
rustic vale
and at 64 heat assuming you're the best player to live
Then we’d have 2 best players to live
lament yarrow
if it was impossible it wouldn't be programmed into the game now would it
lament yarrow
Then we’d have 2 best players to live
yeah but did they win with the microwave
lament yarrow
thats what i'm saying bro who's gonna be the one to do it
mint hatch
Dem cast is probably the most demanding build in the game
rustic vale
if it was too slow it wouldn't be in the game
🙂
waxen nexus
if it was too slow it wouldn't be in the game
i doubt supergiant even expected anyone to ever beat 64 heat when they made the game
lament yarrow
i doubt supergiant even expected anyone to ever beat 64 heat when they made the ...
i think someone had to have right
rustic vale
64 heat wasn’t even beaten unmodded until this year
lament yarrow
indomitable human spirit
waxen nexus
didnt healian like make a video about how 64 heat will never happen and it was just a couple of days before it happened?
rustic vale
if it was too slow it wouldn't be in the game
The flurry slash / chaos/ chiron/ talos in question
The bronze skin in question
mint hatch
Games are never balanced
lament yarrow
games are always perfectly balanced if you press the buttons in the right way
mint hatch
You pressing buttons optimally doesn't change the nature/numbers of the characters/skills available
rustic vale
Pressing buttons the right way will not make dem cast the same as ME
lament yarrow
whats ME
mint hatch
merciful end, the ares/athena duo
lament yarrow
and dem cast is just fun it feels like the phlog from tf2 for some reason
rustic vale
However
upper wolf
games are always perfectly balanced if you press the buttons in the right way
The right way to press buttons is to not click on demeter's cast 
rustic vale
Fun and “being able to clear 64 heat within the 20 minute timer when there are 60% more enemies and every enemy has acorn and every enemy has 40% more hp”
rustic vale
Fun and “being able to clear 64 heat within the 20 minute timer when there are 6...
Are not the same thing
And dem cast falls into the former based on the beholder
rustic vale
Are not the same thing
Sorry, rather they aren’t mutually inclusive
lament yarrow
Fun and “being able to clear 64 heat within the 20 minute timer when there are 6...
when i played with action figures my goal was usually the first one and not to throw them as far as i can and make them do exactly 3.5 flips with a half twist
mint hatch
The eternal tension between having to make everything competitevely viable yet somehow not breaking the scaling at lower levels of play
lament yarrow
but i did try to do the 2nd one
mint hatch
Just ask any unfortunate soul who plays league
rustic vale
just ask any unfortunate soul who plays any ranked game
lament yarrow
i play platform fighters i can't relate
everything is fun and everything works at high level
rustic vale
It’s an incredibly hard thing to do
lament yarrow
as long as you're the better player you will win 100% of the time
my most played game is brawlhalla bro
the most egregious balance notes of that game is "waaaah this nair is 2 frames faster than this one i hate this game"
mint hatch
Tierlists exist for that game too as far as I'm aware
lament yarrow
or "why does that move kill at 165 and not 167 like last patch"
lament yarrow
Tierlists exist for that game too as far as I'm aware
but they're all like memes
no one really cares abt the tier lists
rustic vale
if it’s not a tierlist made by yours truly, it’s not a good tierlist
lament yarrow
except for greatsword genuinely that weapon can rot esp prepatch
mint hatch
lol
lament yarrow
at world champs in 2020 there were like 6 greatswords in top 8 north america
and it worn worlds in every region
rustic vale
honestly as long as I’m winning it’s purely a skillbased game
mint hatch
It only stops being skillbased when I lose
lament yarrow
one character won every tourney from november of 2020 to like feb 2021
rustic vale
one character won every tourney from november of 2020 to like feb 2021
Idk maybe all the top players were just big fans
lament yarrow
Idk maybe all the top players were just big fans
jaeyun prolly made like $400k as a character by himself
just from major tourneys
it was ridiculous how they let that into the game
rustic vale
Haven’t played Brawlhalla in like a year
I only remember the funny shark and the bug cowboy
lament yarrow
yeah jaeyun was before funny shark
bug cowboy didn't rly go anywhere
like no one really plays him
lament yarrow
no one within like the first 2 pages of the leaderboards no diss
rustic vale
no one within like the first 2 pages of the leaderboards no diss
same thing w/ dem cast
except in that case I think it may be the entirety of speedrun.com
waxen nexus
well i used dem cast and i'm goated
did you at least have the artemis duo with it?
rustic vale
They did
lament yarrow
did you at least have the artemis duo with it?
yeah it was like the last boon i got
mint hatch
Dem cast would perhaps see a bit of sun if the crystal clarity fix was the default
That's why it struggles so hard
One duo is a fix the other is just a downgrade
waxen nexus
One duo is a fix the other is just a downgrade
the one that aims it at zagreus?
rustic vale
yeah
lament yarrow
it was painful in asphodel for sure bc everything jumps around
but the hydra fight was over in like 15 seconds
rustic vale
The big strength of dem cast at low heat is just the fire and forget focus on dodging while it does the damage for you
waxen nexus
it was painful in asphodel for sure bc everything jumps around
now imagine if the enemies had the heat upgrade that makes them faster
rustic vale
The big strength of dem cast at low heat is just the fire and ~~forget~~ focus o...
but you can’t exactly do this at high heat
Or even at like regular heat level
lament yarrow
now imagine if the enemies had the heat upgrade that makes them faster
i'll just max that upgrade out and try to replicate the run
stiff obsidian
while it does the damage for you
🤔
lament yarrow
nah i'll just beat it on 32 heat with dem cast i think
rustic vale
> while it does the damage for you
🤔
It’s low heat, any damage is damage
lament yarrow
simple enough
rustic vale
simple enough
It’d genuinely be fine
it’s just your own mechanical skill would need to go up
stiff obsidian
It’s low heat, any damage is damage
its like 10 damage over 5 or so seconds
rustic vale
its like 10 damage over 5 or so seconds
And? No td
stiff obsidian
idk that sounds harder than playing blindfold dash only
lament yarrow
it’s just your own mechanical skill would need to go up
my reaction time is like 160ms when i'm locked in i'm chillin
stiff obsidian
having to dodge for like 3-4 hours straight
waxen nexus
having to dodge for like 3-4 hours straight
with artemis legendary it might be just 2 hours
lament yarrow
its like 10 damage over 5 or so seconds
with heroic level 5 i was doing like
16
or 19
i forget
but i also had it up to like 8 seconds or something
stiff obsidian
it only actually hits the enemy for about 2 of those seconds
lament yarrow
That isn’t much better <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
it ticks like every 0.2s
rustic vale
Especially not on a cast like dem
400 dps also ain’t much tbh
and the point that it’s dem cast still stands
lament yarrow
but thats also supplemented or supplementary
depending on the rest of your build
like i was doing 400 passive dps while i was hitting for like 1800 with crit with my special
rustic vale
…the rest of your build is missing in #h1-victory-boasting
waxen nexus
but thats also supplemented or supplementary
yea but you spend a lot of time just dropping and picking up the cast instead of doing the 1800 crit
rustic vale
Wait was that charged explosive launcher?
You should’ve just focused on your special here
Just fully locked in w/ your special
stiff obsidian
but thats also supplemented or supplementary
oh i thought you meant only use the cast and nothing else
lament yarrow
Just fully locked in w/ your special
i got that hammer after i alr committed
the pivot was not in the cards
rustic vale
i got that hammer after i alr committed
You should be maxing out at 900 a crit
mint hatch
Achilles spear does increase beam dmg right?
stiff obsidian
yes
mint hatch
i forgor
lament yarrow
i was using zag spear idk if it did anything
stiff obsidian
with crystal clarity they should be chilling
rustic vale
i was using zag spear idk if it did anything
That was already factored in
waxen nexus
is it just me or is achilles spear special really clunky to use?
rustic vale
It should be between 900-1000 a crit
lament yarrow
You should be maxing out at 900 a crit
i was hitting for 1809 a fair bit
rustic vale
yeah so
lament yarrow
and explosive
rustic vale
The math ain’t mathing
mint hatch
is it just me or is achilles spear special really clunky to use?
still best spear
lament yarrow
idk i did have some bonus crit damage from a boon or two
rustic vale
150 base damage * 133%(ish)*3
Even with a bonus crit damage boon it should be anywhere near that higj
rhat literally just ain’t how math works
lament yarrow
but i def remember the crit damage being 1809 bc it was a big number and i like big numbers
waxen nexus
still best spear
yeah, its just every time i try to use it, i end up not using the special like at all, but thats on me lol
rustic vale
960 is what it’s looking like, give or take 75 for error from me estimating the artemis special +%
waxen nexus
but i def remember the crit damage being 1809 bc it was a big number and i like ...
you might have had the artemis boon that buffs critical damage on armor, i can't tell from the icons
lament yarrow
rhat literally just ain’t how math works
oh wait it was the armor i think
yeah what he said
rustic vale
you might have had the artemis boon that buffs critical damage on armor, i can't...
They don’t though
Isn’t that hunters mark and support fire?
lament yarrow
They don’t though
no i had it
i remember picking it up bc it was a hard pick between another rly good boon for my build
rustic vale
It is
you do not have horde breaker
It is straight up not on the boon list
Unless you sold it
waxen nexus
nvm, the boon is clean kill: Clean Kill
Clean Kill - Your Critical effects deal even more damage.
rustic vale
They also don’t have clean kill
lament yarrow
Unless you sold it
maybe i'm mixing it up w another run bc the only boon i sold was aphro dash
mint hatch
They also don’t have clean kill
They do
waxen nexus
wait no, i am stupid i was looking at a different screenshot
rustic vale
mint hatch
No it turns out
rustic vale
lament yarrow
why did i do that much damage then
rustic vale
I may be sleep deprived but that doesn’t mean I’m mentally deprived 😎
rustic vale
why did i do that much damage then
Mistaken multiple damage numbers together, hallucinated it, misremembered
lament yarrow
is it possible the crit numbers stacked
mint hatch
Arctic blast can really add up
lament yarrow
i don't think so right
rustic vale
They could’ve overlapped
rustic vale
It wouldn’t’ve been fast enough to overlap
lament yarrow
i distinctly saw 1809! bc it was bigger than every other number
waxen nexus
maybe cosmic rays switched some bits like in the mario speedrun
rustic vale
i distinctly saw 1809! bc it was bigger than every other number
There are things I’ve “definitely seen” playing Hades too only to figure out I misremembered later
lament yarrow
my gpu got hit by a stray muon and changed the balance of the game
waxen nexus
my gpu got hit by a stray muon and changed the balance of the game
yea, and it got hit in the same place every time you attacked :p
lament yarrow
There are things I’ve “definitely seen” playing Hades too only to figure out I m...
i finished this run like an hour and a half ago
rustic vale
That’s long enough
rustic vale
i finished this run like an hour and a half ago
Was the 1809 in a styx chamber?
lament yarrow
but i also remember seeing those numbers in the game and being like wow thats high, and thinking abt it 10 mins later and saying wow thats high
lament yarrow
Was the 1809 in a styx chamber?
yes i have a mental screenshot of me absolutely mogging a rat and it did say 1809
rustic vale
see I’m saying “wow that’s high” but for different reasons
mint hatch
Wait holdup I lost track, you saying a beam ticked for 1809 damage?
rustic vale
yes i have a mental screenshot of me absolutely mogging a rat and it did say 180...
2 possibilities rn
lament yarrow
Wait holdup I lost track, you saying a beam ticked for 1809 damage?
no it was a spear special
waxen nexus
is it possible rats have negative damage resistance or something?
rustic vale
Even adjusting it higher for fiery presence isn’t doing anythjng
rustic vale
Even adjusting it higher for fiery presence isn’t doing anythjng
At best then you’re hitting 1400
and btw that’s only on undamaged targetd
It wouldn’t be consistent on Hades
lament yarrow
i don't think i was hitting hades for 1809
i think the most plausible is the guillotine explanation
rustic vale
I think fiery presence makes sense because the stray guillotine seems like a reach to myself
lament yarrow
i wasn't paying too much attention to the hades damage numbers but the fight wasn't over that fast
so i assume i was only doing like 900
lament yarrow
~~I think fiery presence makes sense because the stray guillotine seems like a r...
eh sounds good to me i'm not a voice of expertise here
i have been playing this game for like 600 minutes i don't even know what half the boons do
actually prolly more like 300-400 minutes realistically
mint hatch
Keeping track of playtime in minutes irrationally upsets me
lament yarrow
once it gets to 4 figures i'll go to hours don't worry
lament yarrow
nah i only used minutes bc i multiplied my # of attempts by attempt length
bc i have 19 hours on the game on steam but a majority of that is afk hours
i have 25 attempts * longest attempt was around 30mins = 700 mins at the longest
but most of my runs were like sub 10 or sub 20
rustic vale
If I took my shortest run time and multiplied it by my # of attempts I’d have 1/5 the # of minutes
lament yarrow
i was hardstuck on meg for like 5 attempts
beat meg 2nd try then forgot how to press buttons
mint hatch
I wonder what the average is
lament yarrow
My first win was 50th attempt
now you got like 1 zillion attempts
waxen nexus
I wonder what the average is
depends on how you would count people who never beat hades but play a few attempts
lament yarrow
depends on how you would count people who never beat hades but play a few attemp...
prolly like out of the people who have beat hades
how many attempts did they take
mint hatch
ye
nocturne kelp
tehe
lament yarrow
sup bro
nocturne kelp
Hi
waxen nexus
if i had to guess, the average would be about 20-50
nocturne kelp
Idk
swift juniper
Took me 30 tries because i was farming af
lament yarrow
Where'd you get that number
divine revelation prolly
rustic vale
I wonder what the average is
Pretty sure it was around 50 when a minipoll happened when it was more active half a year ago
mint hatch
That's a nice argument senator
rustic vale
But I think we had a bunch of a) gamers that were there when the game first came out and so knowledge wasn’t as advanced and b) a ton of skissue players
lament yarrow
Took me 30 tries because i was farming af
true the urge to farm nectar and keys is so strong
waxen nexus
i wonder what the record for most runs until first escape is
rustic vale
Fresh File players bringing the average down slowly but surely
nocturne kelp
true the urge to farm nectar and keys is so strong
real
waxen nexus
i imagine someone must have taken like 200
lament yarrow
i gotta farm keys when i do some runs tomorrow today
nocturne kelp
i imagine someone must have taken like 200
insane.
lament yarrow
i imagine someone must have taken like 200
taking the scenic route
doing all the side quests before starting the main story line so you're overleveled out the gourd
waxen nexus
doing all the side quests before starting the main story line so you're overleve...
that might not be possible because of how the quest progression works
mint hatch
i'd die 100 times just to see what hypnos has to say
lament yarrow
"maybe candy crush is more your speed"
mint hatch
He drops the snarky attitude because he's genuinely concerned
waxen nexus
i'd die 100 times just to see what hypnos has to say
achilles quest gets autocompleted because he is fired from being zagreuses mentor
lament yarrow
eventually he just runs out of dialogue and looks at you with disappointment
nocturne kelp
achilles quest gets autocompleted because he is fired from being zagreuses mento...
But isn't he also the guard of the house instead of zagreus' mentor??
rustic vale
"maybe candy crush is more your speed"
I want to use this line so badly
waxen nexus
But isn't he also the guard of the house instead of zagreus' mentor??
cerberus should be enough
nocturne kelp
cerberus should be enough
Ig so
steep condor
a guard. watching that hall
lavish sorrel
~~Fresh File players bringing the average down slowly but surely~~
With how few of us there are, I don't think we matter much
I must have, what, 400 run 1 clears to my name? That doesn't feel like it'd counteract the hundreds of thousand other people who've played the game.
untold onyx
Thought I was so clever equipping hypnos's keepsake while I have the paupers strike boon from chaos (can't collect coin from a number of chambers). Turns out I just have a useless keepsake through Elysium 
upper wolf
Can't outsmart the primordial essence of pre existence after all
ashen rapids
my run was going smoothly till my cousin went in my room and distracted me
lost 2 min 
upper wolf
Have you tried dodging your cousin?
ashen rapids
Can't dodge her
rustic vale
uh
ashen rapids
she pregnant
rustic vale
Just hit dash
ashen rapids
wish i could
nocturne kelp
she pregnant
I wanna say smth to this but I don't think it's appropriate in this server .
nocturne kelp
IM FIGHTING THE URGES.
rustic vale
Don’t let your cousin pull a persphone
ashen rapids
waiting her to leave my room
cus i can't grind 32 heat like this
she keeps distractinnngg meee
its making me angry
untold onyx
Can't outsmart the primordial essence of pre existence after all
Yeah lmao would be funny if I don't get their chamber for a while
tardy aurora
how many attempts did they take
37
ashen rapids
made it to styx with 32 heat but died
nocturne kelp
Rip
tardy aurora
do i need max bond on meg and dusa for aphrodite favor?
white path
Yep. Than too.
Goddess of love needs you to love everyone you can before she likes you that much
I thought I was done with all the story but ||Dusa just got promoted!! I'm so proud||
tardy aurora
Yep. Than too.
Goddess of love needs you to love everyone you can before she lik...
i got all 3 cthonic companions alr, does that count?
tardy aurora
1 more on meg, 3 on dusa
mint coral
Is it max hearts or bonds?
Cuz dusa needs 1 more conversation after max hearts for the bond
opaque fable
can you not summon meg during furies 
mint coral
Why could you
opaque fable
i thought it would be very funny if i could
nocturne kelp
Using meg against herself is crazy
opaque fable
covert hare
Using meg against herself is crazy
“ FATHER “
“ son “
polar latch
do i need max bond on meg and dusa for aphrodite favor?
i think you need dusa and meg OR thanatos
drowsy linden
you need at least 2 of the 3
opaque fable
is there a list of requirements for getting each god's chibi
drowsy linden
is there a list of requirements for getting each god's chibi
the wiki
some of them do have prophecies though
but thats just the favor
mint coral
Most can be done by pretty much just playing the game
drowsy linden
i got all by just playing
mint coral
Was gonna correct myself
Yeah you can do everything but I'm mainly referring to hermes
You could max plume, not liking it then just leaving it there
drowsy linden
easy(i got it while levelling up plume )
mint coral
Pos is just getting lucking with having a fish before finding him
Oh lmao
You can carry one from a previous run btw
Just don't deliver it
The other tactic is starting with anything that isn't pos, getting a fish then force pos with his keepsake
Cuz they usually only talk once per run
Ofc even with either of these is rng if the dialogue actually comes up
opaque fable
wait am i seriously missing exact 1 god for epilogue sequence???
guess pos will be the easiest one
mint coral
Which gods haven't you maxed?
opaque fable
pos hermes dio aph
mint coral
Hermes is also ez assuming you already have 3* plume
But assuming no
(and he also takes 2 ambrosia)
opaque fable
i have like 40+ ambrosia just sitting around that i can't spend
drowsy linden
i have like 40+ ambrosia just sitting around that i can't spend <:kekw:679152556...
blood
opaque fable
i just realized that boiling blood doesn't give you extra damage from multiple stuck bloodstones
rustic vale
i just realized that boiling blood doesn't give you extra damage from multiple s...
Same thing with abyssal blood or whatever the counterpart is
opaque fable
i'm coming around to stygian soul more recently
opaque fable
super soaker with zeus leg lets go
opaque fable
bro hit super dad with the biden blast wtf
wispy sinew
Guan 32 build?
mint coral
Go full spin (quick + massive) or the more usual is charged skewer aphro/arte special
wispy sinew
@mint coral bro ik how to play gaun meant 32 wise
mint coral
Use one of the pacts recommended in bananas' guide (pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
You could also just ball with a pact you like, 32 has plenty of options (just avoid stuff like RI/AP)
river forge
does meg ever talk to u again after you romance her
jagged hamlet
Yeah, but only about paperwork bluh bluh
ionic hemlock
winter plaza
honestly hate rail
polar latch
still couldn't get that hypnos line 😭
ashen rapids
*still* couldn't get that hypnos line 😭
what line u want from hypnos lol
polar latch
what line u want from hypnos lol
i want a video version of this, wanna hear how it sounds
couldn't find a video anywhere
it requires being killed by the tiny vermin boss
which all the way up at styx
ashen rapids
https://64.media.tumblr.com/eb2787b088273345b36746bb53cd8739/4d8237fe2fec3d28-e3...
maybe it is the vermins in the styx??
i have no idea
ashen rapids
it requires being killed by the tiny vermin boss
Ohhhh
Never got this dialogue too cus never died to that boss lol
u can do it faster if u do it without high heat
polar latch
yeah but also, i haven't gotten the tiny vermin boss in 4 days now
ever since i started trying to get that dialogue
lavish sorrel
maybe it's a rare boss?? have no idea
It shares a room with the snakestone
So yes, it has a ⅛ chance of appearing iirc (less than most others), and may no longer appear if you've had the snakestone as first styx miniboss (and vice-versa)
untold onyx
Does anyone know what triggers Alecto's rage meter to increase? It's probably just time or dealt damage but would love to know if there's a confirmed condition
lavish sorrel
Does anyone know what triggers Alecto's rage meter to increase? It's probably ju...
She will occasionally stop attacking and charge up. You can interrupt this by phasing her. I think her hitting Zag also counts as a bonus for the rage-meter? Anyhow, her last phase will always make her enraged, even if she did not have time to fully charge up.
untold onyx
Wait yeah, I've noticed she'll attack harder if I have to fight other wretches. Last stages are the hardest ✌️ ty for the info
polar latch
I GOT TINY VERMIN LET'S GOOO
now i gotta PRAY that i don't get nicked by another enemy while trying to get killed, AND that hypnos won't be busy when i die
I GOT IT I GOT THE DIALOGUE
void vigil
🙏
brisk trail
whats the best upgrades on mirror of night?
gray apex
whats the best upgrades on mirror of night?
guide pinned here
sorry pinned in #h1-for-new-players
ashen rapids
void vigil
LOL
upper wolf
after the first time it's more
"OH S*** A RAT"
upper wolf
I thought about it, but since it's a quote I don't see how to respect the swear filter without making it unclear 
woe
mint coral
Oh blood and darkness ofc
upper wolf
now I want an edit of the clip with the voice of Hades saying "blood and darkness" edited in
autumn rose
"say it with me boy"
marsh lily
after taking a break from hades to play tiny rogues i have come back wanting to complete all the fated list prophecy's, and man it is a struggle especially getting the legendary boons
autumn rose
black out offer rate
opaque fable
what's the name of super dad's theme i can't find it on yt
mint coral
what's the name of super dad's theme i can't find it on yt
Unseen ones
marsh lily
black out offer rate <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
what?
mint coral
The description in Oropheus' atryl is hilarious
brisk trail
guide pinned here
thanks
mint coral
"banned for containing too many notes per second"
marsh lily
oh yeah
opaque fable
you need festive fog (Cast) and 1 source of hangover iirc?
autumn rose
yea
opaque fable
make sure you're not opening slots for duos and take god's legacy
otherwise just get better rng
autumn rose
mint coral
And add a healthy dose of yarn/nectar and chaos favor
opaque fable
how do you farm darkness in this game
is it just heat 0 with favored weapon and speedrunning
mint coral
Get lucky with chaos eclipse boon
And 9 heat is better for speedruns (em2 + fo2)
Although adding td1 for no survival rooms is better I think
mint coral
The heads spawn closer
opaque fable
fair enough
mint coral
After a while em0 lernie arena feels weird
opaque fable
actually something i've been meaning to ask for a while but i keep forgetting is when to time summons?
meg is the only one i have
mint coral
Is usually like tart mini boss > aspho miniboss > ely miniboss > heroes > dad
For high heat sometimes I panic meg at lernie though
And if you get +1 summon through charon wells you can also meg styx mini
For aiming meg there's this https://youtu.be/G-Iovk-sbe8
Just ignore the witches one
That one is outdated
If anyone has a vid/text guide with updated witches meg I'll be glad
https://youtu.be/s49jVwc6rS8?t=542 this works for now whatever
opaque fable
holy moly this run was an insane mega turbo low roll
no casts offered on hera bow until elysium
lavish sorrel
here's where us speedrunners would do something called a "reset" 
opaque fable
technically?
i rolled once, got a key, rolled on another aphro
i only have 1 roll rn farming darkness for more
stiff obsidian
I was scepticalnuntil I used it
mint coral
no casts offered on hera bow until elysium
I assumed you meant no +1 casts lmao
Could've at forced Athena in aspho for phalanx
lavish sorrel
modded players on their way to spread propaganda
drowsy linden
my zagspear special run is spiraling into a blizzard shot run
upper wolf
here's where us speedrunners would do something called a "reset" <:SmugBoi:73031...
or just say "vorime" out loud and then cry
echo scaffold
Anytime I read this, im just confused out of my mind with these acronyms
mint coral
Vorime is a speedrunner that got screwed by rng during an aqdq event
Beo run and no cast offered after 2 rerolls
Thus antivorime mod is created where first god offers the 4 cores
lavish sorrel
I'm not saying the opposite, but that does not make it not propaganda
white path
When do I get to post images in this channel?
white path
ok
stiff obsidian
schrodingers image perms
lavish sorrel
(copy the image's link and paste that, should makethe image embed pop up)
white path
the image is on my clipboard. What's the link? Or are you saying to upload to imgur or something?
stiff obsidian
send it somehwere on discord and then right click on it
white path
Anyways I have 6 igneus eden specials all glowing and not exploding
lavish sorrel
white path
stiff obsidian
mint coral
What the
stiff obsidian
try some more
white path
idk how
Step 1: triple bomb
2: make 2 bombs in one place, and a 3rd elsewhere
3: your next 6 bombs don't explode until your 7th
wait yes
will repeat in a room with more space. Elysium 0
opaque fable
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922222480121299035/1191454464415121468/im...
new luci burst damage strat???
opaque fable
latent moon
new luci burst damage strat???
Doesn't seem practical lmao
Considering you wanna blow them up asap
white path
And it takes setup anyway
opaque fable
set this up during invuln timers
latent moon
I don't think they're long enough for that
And depends on distance you can do
like lernie and heroes arenas are pretty small
keen lily
why dont the darkness crystal rooms spawn anymore for me?
latent moon
same with hades kinda
keen lily
i went through 2 games already
latent moon
are you doing bounties
keen lily
yea
latent moon
actually do you mean for like bosses or like normal rooms
keen lily
normal rooms
keen lily
its been 2 runs
latent moon
probably dark foresight if you're using that in the mirror
keen lily
and no darkness rooms at all
upper wolf
2 runs ain't much
latent moon
actually
0 darkness rooms is bs
there's like at least 1 or 2 guaranteed in a run from my experience lmao
keen lily
absolute none
latent moon
likely misremembering or you took chaos instead of the darkness room
a decent amount of blue laurels are guaranteed in tartarus
and nectar is pretty rare for blue laurels
so it's either darkness or gems
opaque fable
there's also keys
latent moon
oh yeah keys right
latent moon
that's like impossible unless you get a chaos gate every time there's blue laurels offered on the door or something
which still like
doesnt change the odds
you can still get blue laurels after that
keen lily
whats blue laurels
opaque fable
hm
latent moon
whats blue laurels
darkness, gems, keys, and nectar
white path
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922222480121299035/1191458654357028984/im...
But it's literally easy. If you're fast at clicking, then throwing 3 bombs out only makes the oldest 1 explode. So if you space them out enough you can fill the whole room with bombs.
And then make 1 spot with 3x as many as you had.
I think think the fastest way to make use of this is to throw 1 bomb far away and 2 where you want, then quickly 3 more with those 2. Then another 3 there to make 8 blow up
latent moon
opaque fable
i have zeus attack arte spec on eris after furies, but i'm not sure who to pick for aspho
mint coral
whats blue laurels
Doors have laurels to indicate what type of reward is, blue are the meta ones
latent moon
https://youtu.be/s49jVwc6rS8?t=65
like if you look at the timestamp here at the very beginning of the run
i have a chaos gate in c1 and the c2 reward is darkness
which is fairly common, c2 being a blue laurel
mint coral
i have zeus attack arte spec on eris after furies, but i'm not sure who to pick ...
Tidal dash
latent moon
i take a chaos gate and then the 3 options after that are also blue laurels
ruby remnant
i have zeus attack arte spec on eris after furies, but i'm not sure who to pick ...
prolly poseidon
keen lily
is modding allowed?
mint coral
Sell zeus if possible and pick tidal
latent moon
is modding allowed?
yeah there's a modding discord pinned in #self-promotion
latent moon
majority do yeah
keen lily
let me do 1 more run and see if i get any darkness rooms
opaque fable
i wonder if this 3:10.63 tart is better than any of my other runs
cluster bombs are so fun
drowsy linden
3:10 is pretty fast
my pb for tart is like 2:59 or something like that
mint coral
I'm greedy so I would roll but realistically just cope with haste
stiff obsidian
u only have 1 roll so i woulndt
mint coral
Still missing wet dash and jolted too
keen lily
yeah there's a modding discord pinned in <#505164873328754688>
im getting poms, obols, charon, and boons but no darkness gemstone or nectar
latent moon
im getting poms, obols, charon, and boons but no darkness gemstone or nectar
record your run if you can because like
that's not possible lmao
or like take a screenshot of your options every time
drowsy linden
just highest dash damage?
and its very cool for pushing enemies away
keen lily
or like take a screenshot of your options every time
ill dm it to u then
mint coral
Is this with dark foresight on
white path
set this up during invuln timers
Unironic idea: infernal troves
latent moon
Is this with dark foresight on
dark foresight with extended mirror lmao
latent moon
they said 52%
which would like
explain it a lot lmao
20% is already giving you like max 3 blue laurels in tart
opaque fable
hm, i don't like wet dash very much
mint coral
Yeah that explains
opaque fable
i keep knocking people out of my bombs
stiff obsidian
hm, i don't like wet dash very much
me neither, i hate it
opaque fable
ugh, going into fo2 dad with 0 revives is gonna suck
drowsy linden
they said 52%
side note, df goes up to 60%
opaque fable
rip me
opaque fable
how on earth are you supposed to avoid fo2 asterius
the charge is so much faster than me and he never runs into pillars
latent moon
you have to see the wind up animation earlier so you start running earlier generally
you can try to dash through him if you're late since he would have to loop around, which could buy you some time
drowsy linden
and then pray he runs into a pillar or wall
upper wolf
praying makes up a fair amount of the gameplay of higher heat
opaque fable
dies of cringe
upper wolf
mood
opaque fable
wow meg and zag talking about fo being "not for the faint of heart"
marsh lily
whats better triple shot, chain shot or explosive shot i cant choose they all seem really good
upper wolf
Which bow ?
marsh lily
zag bow
upper wolf
I'd say triple
mint coral
Your priority is always twin or triple shot
Then perfect/point blank/flurry/explosive
marsh lily
yeah alot of pros say its good but i cant see why
mint coral
Bow is a melee weapon
stiff obsidian
More arrow
jagged hamlet
Triple the damage!
mint coral
Hug the enemy so the 3 arrows hit
mint coral
I like twin a lot more but that's bc I play hidden bow more often
rustic vale
whats better triple shot, chain shot or explosive shot i cant choose they all se...
Chain isn’t nearly as great as either
rustic vale
I like twin a lot more but that's bc I play hidden bow more often
I like twin alot because the extra single target damage doesn’t require you to be in “melee” melee range
You can still be mid range and use it
drowsy linden
triple explosive is fun
little parcel
What do ya'll think is the best weapon?
ashen rapids
Good players here says its beowulf and hestia
brisk trail
do i use bow or normal sword
brisk trail
What metric are you looking for?
idk im jus lookin to beat megaera
rustic vale
I mean bow should be safer given it’s range
Although the best dps bow hammers do take away that range
stone rune
well flurry doesnt
rustic vale
I mean bow *should* be safer given it’s range
Just make sure you’re dash striking your shots
rustic vale
Just make sure you’re dash striking your shots
It’s slightly less damage but way faster
so you can pull off your shorts and dash out quicker, better dps and safer
drowsy linden
and also faster perfects for satisfaction
brisk trail
why cant i give honey to megaera
rustic vale
Not yet
covert hare
why do theseus and asterion use ||hades shockwaves||
is it because i fixed their friendship?
covert hare
frienship arc
also what do they say when they do that, i keep hearing " texas strike " but thats def not what they are saying lol
covert hare
bullhorn?
the shockwave
im pretty sure theseus says " something strike "
but i dont know what it is
latent moon
delta strike
covert hare
delta strike
ok
rustic vale
when?
Story
Idk where you are in it so idk if it’s just rng dialogue rn or something else
How many hearts do you have in the codex?
brisk trail
How many hearts do you have in the codex?
where to check
drowsy linden
open codex
rustic vale
where to check
in the codex
Pause the game and check your settings-> controls to figure out what control that is
brisk trail
Pause the game and check your settings-> controls to figure out what control tha...
when it press it theres an x
opaque fable
have you recieved the codex from achilles?
rustic vale
oh you haven’t even got your codex yet
rustic vale
you may need to progress farther in the game before you can gift meg again
brisk trail
yea
rustic vale
You may have to hit specific story beats before you can gift to her again
brisk trail
You may have to hit specific story beats before you can gift to her again
again?
wdy magain
i never gifted to her before
rustic vale
ah
You may have to hit specific story beats before you can gift her… at all
I’ve played 500+ runs, I don’t remember the beginning of the game that well
brisk trail
You may have to hit specific story beats before you can gift her… at all
so do i just keep doing runs
drowsy linden
yes
rustic vale
so do i just keep doing runs
Yeah, hit different dialogues, the works
btw, dialogue in this game pulls from a pool available
So you won’t hit story specific ones right away always
brisk trail
ok
brisk trail
Yeah, hit different dialogues, the works
what weapon would u reccommend
I have the sheild and everything before
im trying to get the spear
opaque fable
do you need em1 dialogues out of the way?