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#h1-discussion
jade moss
crush shot is req for alot of duos i think
mint coral
Is whatever
jade moss
or i can upgrade bronze skin to have 1% more or crush shot
latent moon
might as well pom curse of vengeance
crush shot and bronze skin arent that great here
jade moss
why is everyone saying fists has the lowest damage
again i have so high dps on this that i kill bosses in seconds
even without any attack damage boons
mint coral
Most people here speedrun or ru high heat
Our standard for high dmg is kinda way higher
jade moss
im playing heat 2, extreme measures and tight deadline
latent moon
even without any attack damage boons
you have lightning strike
you literally have an attack boon lmao
jade moss
took me maybe 15 seconds to kill the fury sisters and like 5 seconds to kill the boss that summons crystals
with other weapons it takes way longer
latent moon
breaching cross is why you killed the miniboss fast
900% more armor damage kinda a lot
jade moss
yea but the boss that keeps saying "murderer" doesnt have armor and yet she died in seconds
latent moon
for fury sisters, 15 sec on fists doesnt sound right lmao
on zap fists with no static discharge, esp on tis
jade moss
i have epic athena dash so that might add some dmg too tho
mint coral
I love how hilariously big the number on breaching cross is lmao
latent moon
i have epic athena dash so that might add some dmg too tho
that's like not meaningful extra damage
jade moss
oh i have jolted too
mint coral
Tis bubbles add up to like 10 secs alone lmao
latent moon
oh if you do have jolted then i can see 15-20 then
jade moss
does it really do that much dmg?
mint coral
Wait are bubbles affected by FO
mint coral
does it really do that much dmg?
Yeah
latent moon
does it really do that much dmg?
bosses don't get hit stunned so they always take damage
yeah they hit themself more or less
mint coral
Things like jolted or razor shoals are hard to notice how much dmg they do
latent moon
shoals is lowkey just jolted for pos lmao
formal orbit
I turn on dps mod once for dad fight, funny how common lv1 jolted deals as much damage as zeus special
jade moss
fists so op
didnt even have to try
just hold m1 and spam dash against hades and it died so fast
jade moss
i didnt even know the tight deadline time stacks
so i had soo much extra time to do useless stuff in rooms
idk why ppl say plume is bad, i got 34.4% to it and i didnt even have it at max level when i started the run
drowsy linden
why ares
jade moss
had nothing else to pick
and it gave me damage boost
so why not
+every status effect i have on enemies gives me extra damage % i think
so weak + doom should give alot
and jolted probably is a status too not sure
jade moss
im probably gonna start playing fists only till i get to some high heat level
instead of picking the random weapon that gets 20% more darkness
mint coral
idk why ppl say plume is bad, i got 34.4% to it and i didnt even have it at max ...
is basically due to lack of consistency
jade moss
i havent got any bad run with fists ever i think
i always do so crazy damage with it
and with the plume + zagreus getting hit is very unlikely
and with athena dash its even easier
mint coral
tbh most of the arguments here will be differences vs how one speedruns/high heat with the meta
but the game is still balanced enough that you can go honestly quite high with things like plume lol
drowsy linden
idk why ppl say plume is bad, i got 34.4% to it and i didnt even have it at max ...
primarily because:
god keepsakes are VERY strong, as they lock in gods and give free boons
hourglass ely
acorn op for dad
the problem with butterfly/plume is that you have to keep them throughout the entire run, when you couldve had much stronger buffs from the keepsakes mentioned above. also plume needs time to build up, plus is super reliant on early rng
people say plume is bad and not ok is because theyre used to high heat, where optimization/consistency actually matters a fair bit
mint coral
just luck out into the build
jade moss
what did acorn do again i forgot
mint coral
blocks 3/4/5 hits on the boss arena
drowsy linden
on dad, who does 40 damage on his spin attack, its very good
jade moss
primarily because:
god keepsakes are VERY strong, as they lock in gods and give ...
i always get plume from every room even if i kill them kinda slowly
drowsy linden
on higher heats, its gonna be a lot harder to do that
stone rune
nah
mint coral
nah
drowsy linden
maybe i was just too bad when i used it
stone rune
the boost just doesn’t do very much for you
drowsy linden
last time i used plume was a while ago
stone rune
dodge chance is useless and movespeed only matters with rd
and naked plume rd isn’t gonna be good anyways
drowsy linden
"dodge chance is useless"
were not able to avoid everything
stone rune
i love putting my fate in the hands of rng
formal orbit
Dodge chance is banger, it’s plume that suck
jade moss
is 1 ambrosia for 1 titan blood worth it
latent moon
The only time I've seen a top player mention dodge being good outside of greater evasion cope is on fo4 at 78/80 heat lmfao
jade moss
i have 7 ambrosia
latent moon
is 1 ambrosia for 1 titan blood worth it
Generally yeah since you get a lot of ambrosia back through fated prophecies
latent moon
For the whole game? No clue but it's a lot less than titan blood iirc
jade moss
i cant give ambrosia to anyone yet
i have given meg like 5 nectar but shes rarely in the house
formal orbit
The only time I've seen a top player mention dodge being good outside of greater...
Ruthless reflex stonk. But i dodged hades sweep a few time with common hermes
jade moss
is there any harm in giving multiple characters more than 1 nectar?
arent there like some calls or something you get after giving alot of nectar to meg or the green fish thingy or thanatos
jade moss
is there any point in giving gods nectar?
mint coral
needed for story stuff later on
jade moss
i have 7 titan blood but i already have aspect of zagreus maxed on the fists
i guess imma just save the blood for now
how do i get the last aspect?
stone rune
you don’t
rose roost
how do i get the last aspect?
the hidden?
rose roost
should be pinned in #h1-story-discussion
jade moss
is tempest strike worth taking with fists?
jade moss
i got poseidon as first god when starting the run rip
rose roost
take tidal dash
jade moss
i prefer athena dash
mint coral
% based attacks are not good on fists cuz of low base dmg
also poseidon has the lowest % for salt in the wound
mint coral
just take cast or special then
jade moss
i never use special with fists
jade moss
imma just take the dash and see how it goes
its million times worse than athena dash tho
mint coral
rip
jade moss
isnt concentrated knuckle basically just u arent allowed to use dash strike at all
jade moss
is demeter aid good
stone rune
no
jade moss
i got options to pick frost flourish, demeter air and frozen touch
rip
frost strike seems to be the worst attack in the game
idk how im so unlucky in this run
im only getting some really useless boons
mint coral
dem works as a replacement for aphro attack with high rarity
worst is def tempest strike
stone rune
is this on fists
mint coral
yeah
stone rune
how did we get here
stone rune
snurst
mint coral
how did we get here
plume ig
stone rune
this is why plume sucks
jade moss
why do i only get demeter whattt
this is the 3rd time now
2 times in a shop and once normally thru door
drowsy linden
stygian or infernal on beo trippy
stone rune
infernal if you plan on not playing the run after tartarus
stygian if you want to be normal
drowsy linden
im now doing a funny ice wine+feast+cope arte run
drowsy linden
well i cant get mirage, so i consider the 30% damage to be decent
although the delay is funky
jade moss
is hunter dash better than tidal dash with fists
82% dash strike damage
imma just take deadly strike, this run is so doomed anyway
stone rune
just start pos
drowsy linden
is hunter dash better than tidal dash with fists
depends on how much you hate/love that pos effect
on cross/dashupper spam, you can consider hdash, but otherwise no
jade moss
what does the lock mean in the heart?
i gave meg 6 nectar and now it has lock
hades also has that lock
ionic hemlock
Usually the task can be finished by just playing the game and it eventually gets done
Oftentimes I completed a task without even knowing I had one
drowsy linden
some are actual missions, most just require you to meet conditions and then talk
ember hinge
i gave meg 6 nectar and now it has lock
oh you gotta finish like a quest it takes a bit and then you can give her an ambrosia
then you’ll get a companion
not sure what exactly the criteria is but ig just keep talking to her
worked for me
jade moss
heavy knuckle or colossus knuckle with zeus stuff?
ember hinge
iirc the people who you can get companions from are meg, skelly, thanatos, achilles, and nyx
maybe there was someone else idk
also the lock on hades you gotta escape a few times to get his keepsake
ember hinge
heavy knuckle or colossus knuckle with zeus stuff?
idk i don’t get zeus stuff often
jade moss
oh wait i think i picked wrong aspect
i just reaalized when looking at that screenshot
well rip
i wanted to take zagreus but accidentaly took demeter cuz i just unlocked it
jade moss
idk i don’t get zeus stuff often
zeus is best for fists imo
stone rune
i wanted to take zagreus but accidentaly took demeter cuz i just unlocked it
luckily demeter is way better
stone rune
do dash upper
jade moss
cant really build into attack and special at the same time
if you put stuff into special then your attack is weaker
and the special is so slow
drowsy linden
heavy knuckle or colossus knuckle with zeus stuff?
never take heavy on zap fists
jade moss
and this build relies on fast attackig with fists cuz of the zeus stuff
jade moss
never take heavy on zap fists
why
drowsy linden
you can special in between combos
jade moss
free 30% less dmg taken
drowsy linden
it doesnt take that long, and it does a LOT of damage when upgraded a bit
drowsy linden
special takes only like 20% more time than dash striking, when it does up to 210 damage at max level
with dem active^
jade moss
which one do yall prefer, acorn or tooth?
idk if tanking 3 hits is better than 1 extra life that restores 100 hp
ember hinge
i beat charon and he just started walking around zag for like 10 seconds before stopping to give me my prize
it was pretty funny
latent moon
idk if tanking 3 hits is better than 1 extra life that restores 100 hp
acorn
dad swings for 40 damage each
3 swings is 120
also max level acorn is 5 hits
and if you dont use acorn, you cant level it up
so might as well take it
jade moss
but tooth would give you 1 life
latent moon
that life is worth less than 120 hp
ember hinge
which one do yall prefer, acorn or tooth?
i’m god awful at dodging and i use the deux ex machina because i’m a baby so acorn doesn’t make that much a difference for me 😭
latent moon
if you have high damage reduction then tooth is better
ember hinge
yeah
latent moon
high meaning like idk probably 60+%
i dont wanna do the math on that but disregarding god mode, acorn is basically strictly better than tooth
ember hinge
my god mode is prolly at like around 55+ now i think
ember hinge
i dont wanna do the math on that but disregarding god mode, acorn is basically s...
👍
what is the most o.p keepsake
signal aspen
not including god keepsakes probably acorn
ember hinge
“distant memory best keepsake is typing”
jade moss
storm lightning or hydraylic might for hades?
ember hinge
idk what storm lightning is
ember hinge
oh
jade moss
so if i upgrade that it would go from 2 > 6
ember hinge
prolly hydraulic might if you’re quick enough
drowsy linden
what is the most o.p keepsake
with good enough rng and the right build, probably hourglass
signal aspen
yeah hourglass is good too
ember hinge
ah ok
signal aspen
its mostly just on cast builds tho
jade moss
hydraulic might damage bonus would only go from 63% to 80%
ember hinge
i mainly just use the god keepsakes particularly athena and artemis
ember hinge
hydraulic might damage bonus would only go from 63% to 80%
that’s pretty good ig
latent moon
hourglass can be pretty hit or miss but when it hits then it's amazing lmao
jade moss
only 10 seconds in encounter tho
latent moon
storm lightning or hydraylic might for hades?
hydro might
storm lightning isn't doing anything in dad fight
or in general
ember hinge
only 10 seconds in encounter tho
then be quick idk 😭
can’t wait to be able to talk to shades in hades ii 🔥
ok ima head out now
bye bye
ember hinge
not the tiny vermin 😭
latent moon
tony moment
drowsy linden
try heat 32
drowsy linden
keys
marsh cove
fiery presence, bold decision
drowsy linden
overall, youd need like 70k darkness to max out
stone rune
fiery presence, bold decision
fiery is significantly better
marsh cove
is it?
stone rune
yes
drowsy linden
fiery presence, bold decision
its generally better for speedrunning, its like tied with shadow for casual playing
marsh cove
against bosses I imagine you’re backstabbing them more
marsh cove
its generally better for speedrunning, its like tied with shadow for casual play...
fair
latent moon
shadow presence is mainly only good for boss damage
marsh cove
ya
latent moon
but for somet stuff it's not like
useful
like fists and rail, backstab damage is pointless
spear kinda
shield to an extent
marsh cove
why is it pointless on fists and rail
jade moss
i like fiery presence, makes it so much faster to clear rooms
marsh cove
I have the opposite intuition
latent moon
why is it pointless on fists and rail
base 15 and 10 attack, respectively
marsh cove
since fists and rail do smaller hits fast
marsh cove
yeah so?
latent moon
that's largely nothing
marsh cove
the first hit is worse
latent moon
only for bosses
fiery gives much faster and stronger room clears
which is the majority of the run
stone rune
killing anything in tart with shadow fists is a struggle
latent moon
if you're relying that the extra 7 damage every so often to make a difference in a boss fight, then you should be concerned about your build frankly
drowsy linden
I only get scared of like the last rooms before hades
you havent seen benefits package yet
marsh cove
witches is literally a 4 second encounter
depends on build
latent moon
witches is literally a 4 second encounter
not everyone has summons
and not everyone actually knows the set up
marsh cove
^
stone rune
latent moon
without summons and knowing proper builds, witches circle can take a while and can be pretty dangerous
drowsy linden
ely/tart will ANNIHILATE you with bad bp rng if youre not good/bad build
latent moon
tart doesn't annhilate you with a bad build unless you have tight deadline
drowsy linden
cloned speeder witches
stone rune
seeking speeder witches:
latent moon
that's less of a build thing and more aspect thing
seeking speeder is also like
always bad for every aspect more or less lmao
drowsy linden
how do you deal with speeder chariots
marsh cove
how do you deal with speeder chariots<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
don’t be a melee build 
spear can kinda avoid them though
jade moss
the exploding ones? i just dash when they die and explode
rose roost
no the big ones
rose roost
the little ones are flame wheels
rose roost
they just stay stunlocked
unless they're armoured
jade moss
just spam dash with ur attack
rose roost
with bp they get even more annoying
jade moss
and u cant take dmg from them
if ur using fists then its even easier
especially with the 900% armor dmg
marsh cove
big ones just treat them like mini minotaurs
you can dash through an obstacle
and they’ll cry
latent moon
i generally just face tank since i'm either on SDs or speedrunning
worked fine so far
fervent copper
just got my friend into hades and it has gone fantastically well. feeling devious
desert tundra
gj 
jagged hamlet
In any other context... 
upper wolf
eris on 45 heat without rocket bomb kinda hard
with rocket bomb too
but that might be a skill issue
formal orbit
eris heat uses delta chamber, clockets is high roll
upper wolf
EM4 is free heat if you die before the last boss 
tepid light
eris on 45 heat without rocket bomb kinda hard
real gamers go hazard bomb eris
brisk trail
I screamed "DAD" while fighting him
then he gave me invisibility
then I killed him using it
old island
what's the best attack boon for hera?
wary iron
Artemis probably, or you could go with aphro again
stone rune
what's the best attack boon for hera?
generally you want arty or epic dem/aph
stone rune
what do you take into aspho if u alr have mirage?
depends
main options are hourglass and purse
plume if you're on pride with 0 hermes
but i assume you're on legacy
rose roost
i don't have arti attk
rose roost
but i assume you're on legacy
yea
rose roost
there's also a stone in well
stone rune
yeah definitely dont force arty
arty attack is nice
but like
you want poms in that thing
rose roost
also can i ping u in future for these kinda questions?
stone rune
suer
stiff obsidian
i cant even sub8:30 nemesis loll
stone rune
i sub7d nem on accident
but my pb still kinda sucks
also i deleted that 6:31 zagrail vod lol
i want to play nem this week
to get my pb to be less bad
lucid pulsar
How do u get extreme measures 4
mint coral
Reach credits and it should appear as a work order later on
upper wolf
I probably shouldn't use cursed 45 heat to try out meme late builds
I don't mind getting my ass handed to me
But I'd like to at least try the build instead of dying before getting half of it
ember hinge
what are your favorite hidden aspects
stone rune
beo
ember hinge
the shield?
wary iron
Yeah
ember hinge
i personally just can’t stand using shield idk what i have against it i just hate it 😭
maybe i’ll have a change of heart someday and try it again but until then malphon and bow will do
my fave hidden aspect is probably arthur sword or lucifer rail but maybe it’ll change when i get the bow
stone rune
arthur is one of the aspects ever
wary iron
I agree
stone rune
if u like a lot of damage beo should be ur fav
ember hinge
yeah but i don’t like shield is my problem - mostly it’s the speed that bothers me but maybe it’s just cuz i’m bad at using it
hera bow gets a similar effect in terms of damage i feel like especially if you get a good cast and boiling blood
frozen tinsel
Shield can block pretty much any attack in the game.
ember hinge
i know that it’s good i just can’t stand using it idk why - maybe if i practice enough it’ll help me out in higher heat runs
wary iron
The shield argument is, nothing can damage you, if nothing survives
sour fog
I'm with you I dislike beo too
Arthur is fun
Arthur and Lucifer are pretty much the only hiddens I don't actively dislike
frozen tinsel
haha big sword go fwooosh!
sour fog
exactly
stone rune
the issue with arthur is simply no damage
jagged hamlet
Who needs DPS when you have BIG NUMBERS
frozen tinsel
Arthur and Lucifer are pretty much the only hiddens I don't actively dislike
What do you have against Rama?
wary iron
I’m convinced power shot Rama is not worth it
sour fog
I'm convinced Rama is not worth it
wary iron
Think about the rewards
latent moon
The reward is big damage lmao
wary iron
I think I just gave a general problem with bows other than Chiron, I’m just too impatient
latent moon
Chiron has a pretty long special animation lmao
wary iron
I know
wary iron
Chiron has a pretty long special animation lmao
But I don’t have to hold, one press and I seal my fate
If I hold down attack and dash around I have 0 iframes right?
stone rune
well
if the attack isn't actually attacking
like you're just holding the moues button
you should still have iframes
but yeah if you dash strike you lose iframes
wary iron
I have found out that if hold down attack on Arthur and just keep dashing, I just dash strike so I was wondering if I had some iframes or not
stone rune
those shouldn't have iframes
wary iron
Great, now I can do a 0 Iframe run
frozen tinsel
Lucifer experience
brisk trail
Uwu
upper wolf
you can have iframe with lucifer if you just get triple bomb room 1 then unbind your normal attack 🧠
brisk trail
I have question plz
it is imperative that I start with the first hades first?
No second hadès
mint coral
it is imperative that I start with the first hades first?
Basically, isn't needed but there'll be connections to it
agile basin
it is imperative that I start with the first hades first?
Well, you have more than 4 months to finish hades 1 tho
More or less 4 months*
upper wolf
That's only for EA
latent moon
i'd just not care about speed for chiron and play it normally
drowsy linden
cshot is so cool on beo until i forget that i dont have a dash and get hit by asterius spin
final plover
More or less 4 months*
oh really hades 2 ea comes out sometime around February? that's awesome. I just started playing hades a few weeks ago and this game is amazing. I've been hooked since and now working on getting to heat 32
final plover
oh ok that's still not bad haha
latent moon
even if it was february you still have plenty of time to hit milestones lmao
final plover
yeah I'm not worried about not being able to finish my goals, got plenty of time and extra on top of that
ooh I should try hell mode after, that sounds fun
"fun"
latent moon
it's not that bad really
hell mode is like
inconvenient for the early game
if you already have good game fundamentals, then it's like
no difference lmao
jagged hamlet
Charon double oar go!
latent moon
i kinda wish hell mode was more impactful or different
final plover
oh I see, i can do most early game no heat runs without getting hit much if at all. coming from darksouls and other games dodging for i-frames felt natural and hades seems all about dodging and learning attack patterns
latent moon
once you already get good enough at the game, hell mode is just inconevenient for the early game
latent moon
oh I see, i can do most early game no heat runs without getting hit much if at a...
yeah lmao makes sense
most people can probably just start off with playing hell mode and be fine
js1 and cp1 kinda inconvenient lmao
final plover
it would be cool if hell mode was actually hell, like very heavily increased mob spawns and maybe harder enemies seen sooner like more armored enemies etc or more dangerous encounters
final plover
would be really sick especially if it increased rewards that you get as an incentive
latent moon
that'd be neat
something to look for in hades 2 lmao
more darkness or whatever would be nice
crisp zodiac
It utterly amazes me how, even using Fated Persuasion intelligently, I can go some runs in which 0 boons have any synergy with each other at all and duo boons never go on offer despite being qualified from the beginning of the run.
last veldt
Luck can be a right sod. I had Glacial Glare by chamber 5 the other day and didn't get to pom it until Styx.
brisk trail
somehow, bouldy is better at conversations than me
hidden zephyr
getting back into hades cus I got it on my laptop a couple days ago
wild dagger
yo
is hades a 2d or 3d game ? it looks top down but its not really top down , or is it ?
so its isometric then ?
ember hinge
3d graphics with 2d navigation ig
rose roost
so its isometric then ?
yea
wild dagger
i mean i think its isometric , looked up what isometric games are and hades appeared
last veldt
Yeah, it's isometric. There's no use of perspective that makes far away things smaller, and the view is not aligned to one of the main axes.
Iso - same/equal
Metric - measure/distance
Isometric - Things have the same distance (regardless of how far away they are).
wary iron
Does Artemis attack further boost the crit chance of nemesis, or is it useless?
wary iron
That’s great
stone rune
it's not as big of a boost but it's nice
noble quarry
they have been modding this game for some years right
has anybody ever made a cerberus god mod?
ember hinge
i found a glitch where i beat charon and he just started spinning in circles for like 10 seconds
before stopping and giving me the prize - or is he just silly the first time you beat him
sour fog
usually happens if you end up in the spot he's supposed to move to, solo Asterius does it too
autumn rose
asterius charge is so goofy
upper wolf
when he goes in circles, yeah
jagged hamlet
Oh it scares the heck out of me when he does that
worldly mason
Is it possible to catch the fishes of Greece after Persephone coming back home?
Like in the "Hades Battlefield" fishing spots?
mint coral
you can fish in dad's arena yeah
drowsy linden
finally got heat 16 on shield
charred igloo
im doing heat 32 right now, pretty crazy
latent moon
32 heat gaming
charred igloo
dont know if ill make it all the way
latent moon
unfortunate
stone rune
dont know if ill make it all the way
check pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies for a guide
drowsy linden
pro tip:
dont em4
tepid light
pro tip:
dont em4
weakling
latent moon
em4 is easy just dont die
tepid light
max out extreme measures first or you're not a real gamer
static shoal
honestly em4 ALONE, at 10 heat, isn't that hard
but as you go up to higher and higher heat it very quickly becomes unmanagable - i think my heat record with em4 on is 17 - while my heat record without em4 is 32
stone rune
em4 is pretty free up to like 32 or so
past then u have to learn it
i did fists em4 32 first try tho its not too bad
static shoal
em4 fo2 is pain
yeah i was gonna mention "em4 fo2 mm dc2 lc4"
rose roost
mm is alr, y dc2 tho
static shoal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1139826300610154576/...
no special boon on demeter wtf
static shoal
mm is alr, y dc2 tho
harder to time Meg
rose roost
mm doesn't affect meg
static shoal
dc2 does
rose roost
oh u mean summon
static shoal
yes
rose roost
dc2 does
yea that's y I said y dc2 lol
you can skip dc2 for 32, maybe take it on Rama, rail and fists
formal orbit
Em4 meg is usually used at phase1.3
rose roost
mm doesn't affect dad fight does it?
latent moon
yeah i was gonna say you dont use meg off the bat on em4
formal orbit
Dc2 and mm mean nothing
static shoal
mm doesn't affect dad fight does it?
it affects em dad fight
latent moon
pretty sure it doesnt
static shoal
just like how em3 affects solo bull fight
rose roost
it affects em dad fight
how
latent moon
dad summons minibosses but they dont have mm stuff
static shoal
pretty sure it doesnt
it doesn't affect the doomstone, but power couple still get their enhanced abilities
latent moon
the gorgon head teleports but i'm pretty sure that happens without mm
also the doomstone doesnt have a massive shockwave
rose roost
the gorgon head teleports but i'm pretty sure that happens without mm
as a miniboss without mm head doesn't teleport
static shoal
power couple on mm is harder than em3 fight
latent moon
as a miniboss without mm head doesn't teleport
i mean in the em4 fight
rose roost
doomstone has a shockwave in mm?
yea, in dad fight it doesn't
latent moon
rose roost
i mean in the em4 fight
Oh yea all of em teleport lol except doomstone
formal orbit
Em3 fight is more of a build check, power couple is more of a skillcheck imo
latent moon
uh
rose roost
yea
static shoal
the male part of the power couple is something else
stone rune
skull crusher
latent moon
that's the one
latent moon
it literally is a thwomp
formal orbit
I just call him 🗿
latent moon
lmfao classic
rose roost
seems abt right
static shoal
mm pcouple is only insanely hard if you're extremely melee
latent moon
and rama
formal orbit
Rama is hell
static shoal
otherwise it's just hard
latent moon
budget delta chamber moment
static shoal
lego?
formal orbit
Legenadary
static shoal
ok but i'm talking about "ease of avoiding the attacks"
latent moon
the fight'll just take forever lmao
formal orbit
Maybe I overstated, it not really that trash without splitting bolt but you at least need jolted and double strike
And the damage is still meh
static shoal
sure, but the fight is still easier
latent moon
hestia good
formal orbit
I think we have a different definition of easier, a faster fight is an easier fight
I unironically think earring is a better keepsake at dad than acorn because the fight is 1 min shorter
static shoal
PFFFF hell naw
latent moon
i mean if you're good enough at the dad fight to do it without acorn then yeah ofc it's better
static shoal
(wait seriously, 1 entire minute?)
rose roost
I unironically think earring is a better keepsake at dad than acorn because the ...
at high heat?
static shoal
wait
rose roost
or at any
static shoal
remind me what earring is
latent moon
at high heat?
lc4 so yes
formal orbit
It’s a sd thing, not anyheat
static shoal
meg keepsake?
latent moon
yes
static shoal
whoa
static shoal
i guess it makes sense
rose roost
I paused 40 heat attempts for beo speedrunning
static shoal
i personally don't use lc4 unless i'm REALLY struggling
latent moon
i mean yeah ofc
it's just that like
if you can consistently do em4 hitless then acorn is useless lmao
bai is hella consistent so he took earring into styx and only took poison damage
formal orbit
Acorn reliant is bad since it’s make me do stupid stuffs
static shoal
well i don't use higher than lc1 if i'm not going lc4
formal orbit
But consistency is great, so acorn is generally better
latent moon
yeah at that high heat it isn't "game hard" issue it's literally "bad rng" issue
static shoal
acorn is unbalanced lol
latent moon
if you're trying to do 64 heat then you should be able to clear given the right rng imo
formal orbit
I’m not a consistent player so i can randomly no hit dad or die phase 1.1
latent moon
I’m not a consistent player so i can randomly no hit dad or die phase 1.1
isn't that dad summon dependent
or is it just like wack lmao
formal orbit
1.1 is without summon
drowsy linden
its painful to deal with furies, but thats about it for me
static shoal
its painful to deal with furies, but thats about it for me
lc4 dad also sucks tbh
latent moon
most of the time yeah lmao
static shoal
especially if you get styx fountain earlier than you mean to
latent moon
could also be sloppy play tbf
drowsy linden
no the only run that made it past furies was the run that completed 32 on bow
static shoal
if i'm bad at the weapon enough to make me consider lc4, i'm dying at dad when i start with 1 hit away from sd
drowsy linden
i only die to furies, tart witch spam, speeder chariot, lernie, or dad
static shoal
i only die to furies, tart witch spam, speeder chariot, lernie, or dad
tart spams are the WOOOORST
(coming from a hestia main)
drowsy linden
if i'm bad at the weapon enough to make me consider lc4, i'm dying at dad when i...
acorn is fine, you can survive 2 hits most of the time without it
that maeks a total of 9 hits
static shoal
it's tart, i usually don't have a dash that early
rose roost
start with pos
drowsy linden
imagine getting botted
static shoal
and bp2 means special never lands
drowsy linden
just use the word "fair"
rose roost
got dynoed
static shoal
fast numbskulls be like:
latent moon
fast numbskulls be like:
you can predict where they're going
static shoal
i don't play modded 😭
rose roost
fast numbskulls be like:
tidal dash deletes numbskulls
static shoal
you can predict where they're going
not when they're also shadow cloning themselves by a million times
latent moon
i mean even without mods, rail special shouldn't have a hard time hitting anything
latent moon
not when they're also shadow cloning themselves by a million times
they're going to you so like
you can bait them
and they stop moving after they dash
static shoal
oh right, i use auto assist
drowsy linden
i mean even without mods, rail special shouldn't have a hard time hitting anythi...
i use kb only
static shoal
so it's hard fpr me to shoot on myself
formal orbit
Ya-gg unmodded 50 at esa start tdash
latent moon
or start tdash lmao
formal orbit
I’m still unable to play tdash at dad
latent moon
sounds like a you problem
static shoal
hestia sucks literally only in this scenario and excels everywhere else tho
latent moon
the only thing bad about unmodded at high heats is just styx and first boon imo
first boon is annoying
styx is run killing
drowsy linden
on the topic of suffering, how the hell do i deal with speeder chariots and 2000000 numbskulls with the dc effect
latent moon
what's cf
static shoal
convenience fee
drowsy linden
no
formal orbit
Dash through them like with asterius or through terrain
drowsy linden
fists and then a slow weapon like rama
static shoal
don't use dc on anything but budget delta chamber (rama)/zeus shield
latent moon
fists and then a slow weapon like rama
like nora said, dash through chariots or through terrain
dashing through chariots is good because they dont turn around that fast
drowsy linden
i find speeder chariots to be run ender on fists
latent moon
for fists same thing tbh
drowsy linden
but then what about the skulls
latent moon
also fists shred dc numbskulls
same with rama
shared suffering
and hit multiple with the atk
drowsy linden
i meant with the bp effect that gives dc
static shoal
you don't need shared suffering on rama to delete numbskulls lol
latent moon
special a bunch then atk
static shoal
special kills them
latent moon
if you have any flat damage on the special then yes
formal orbit
Good luck doing that with anything other than zeus
drowsy linden
there were like 10 numbskulls piling on dc effects
latent moon
it's not that awkward but it is awkward
drowsy linden
all in tart with only deadly strike
static shoal
i don't like not starting zeus special on rama personally
latent moon
all in tart with only deadly strike
special a bunch then pierce as many as you can with the atk
it's like
static shoal
zeus special on rama deletes tartarus
static shoal
force attack on asphodel mate
formal orbit
Shackle best keepsake
static shoal
ap2 why 
honestly i would prefer em4
...unless it's a td3 run
how high heat are we talking about here?
because i don't do higher than 32
latent moon
i kinda forgot about the special at that moment<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
well that's the problem lmao
rama has like very little problems with savior perk
drowsy linden
just max out ri smh
static shoal
the game becomes unfun rng bs at higher than 30 (but i still do 32 cuz that's the standard)
drowsy linden
no, its still enjoyable
static shoal
again, i'm unmodded
drowsy linden
at like 50 it gets a bit of rng
drowsy linden
again, i'm unmodded
im unmodded, 32 is fine, 40 seems fine
havent done a 40 run yet, but seems very doable
static shoal
i believe we main different weapon aspects
latent moon
again, i'm unmodded
the game is fairly balanced up until like 45 heat tbh
it's just like
how much are you willing to learn td3 and lc4
and how much are you willing to learn your aspect
i got 5 sacked on a 40 heat run and still cleared
latent moon
have you tried not breaking it
static shoal
flurry jab on spear tho
latent moon
flurry jab on spear tho
every spear aspect is hammer reliant unfortunately
static shoal
delta chamber on non-hestia rail tho
latent moon
but also if you're playing achilles you dont need flurry
latent moon
delta chamber on non-hestia rail tho
okay that's just you not willing to learn to reload lmao
well
they are
static shoal
okay that's just you not willing to learn to reload lmao
iframes ;;
latent moon
but like
it's better if they're just dead lmao
if the options are like
delta chamber, explosive shot, and seeking fire, then yeah take delta chamber
but if rocket or cluster is there, those two are better
static shoal
cluster by itself isn't better than delta chamber
latent moon
well they said non-hestia
but if it's zag rail then i guess yeah
you at least give yourself a better chance at clockets
cluster is still good damage
drowsy linden
is clockets just busted because of pure damage or is there bugs
static shoal
i still haven't gotten clockets even once and i main rail
drowsy linden
epic
static shoal
i've gotten rocket so many times
latent moon
but also like
drowsy linden
400 damag
static shoal
but cluster never f-ing appears
not better than delta chamber
i dislike eris
so i don'r have much experience on it
latent moon
do you play zag rail then
static shoal
do you play zag rail then
it was my first main before i switched to hestia
static shoal
and i still love zag rail
latent moon
it is c2 so less enemies but like same concept
static shoal
rd?
latent moon
rush delivery
static shoal
right
latent moon
you get a free rare rush delivery off spawn
and you can still get it again later lmao
static shoal
once again, the auto aim on special screws me over
latent moon
dash into the bombs
also wmic uses controller and he's the best eris player
granted rocket bomb
but he's also the best luci player and that doesnt have rocket lmao
it should be pretty doable to get the eris boost off of that
static shoal
i still haven't figured out how you're supposed to effectively detonate luci special with controller auto-aim
latent moon
lightning strike generally
and dashing into the bombs
every dash you can get on luci deals damage
and lightning chains detonate them
static shoal
i'll keep that in mind
also hold on
how is raw rocket better than delta chamber on Eris
latent moon
delta chamber is technically a loss in dps
if you manage reloads correctly
rocket also does 80 damage and hits targets much faster
normal special does 50 and is slow
rocket is the charged shot of rail
except it doesn't pierce
static shoal
maybe i have too much hestia brainrot
latent moon
that's just you
you're supposed to use the special on hestia if you want to play it well lmao
there's downtimes when you reload
free special opportunity
static shoal
you're *supposed* to use the special on hestia if you want to play it well lmao
is that with rocket or without rocket?
latent moon
and you can cancel reload animation with special anyways
latent moon
is that with rocket or without rocket?
both
there's no reason not to use hestia special
static shoal
...you can special while reloading?
latent moon
unless you're in a small styx chamber and you have hazard bomb
static shoal
oh shiieeeet
jagged hamlet
Special = precious AOE
static shoal
...you can special while reloading?
yo i didn't know this
stone rune
guys
latent moon
like legitimately, rail special is just good overall
static shoal
i generally do dash-attack-reload-dash-attack-reload
latent moon
yeah ifigured
latent moon
if you're not using special
latent moon
why are you asking the casual ass sgg discord lmfao
static shoal
do i have instaphas
beowulf?
stone rune
i need to know if this is gonna be sub530
latent moon
how much damage does the flare do by itself
jagged hamlet
why are you asking the casual ass sgg discord lmfao
I was like "is jazz asking a question?", then I was like "why is jazz asking that question here?"
stone rune
latent moon
is 100 of the 150 mirage
latent moon
ngl without high confidence idk
stone rune
yolo
stone rune
i’ll go 3/1
latent moon
maybe 3-1 split it
yeah
3-1 split and try to get a third naked cshot in lmao
or just crit lol
15% chance to get a fat crit!
formal orbit
Casual wr
latent moon
lmao based
formal orbit
Based gamer
latent moon
32 and 40 heat modded wr
jagged hamlet
CONGRATS
stone rune
in p1 only
and then like
the summons were chariots so i had to kill them
which screwed my positioning
latent moon
oh rip
stone rune
and dad was in the middle of the arena
stone rune
it’s guaranteed timeloss
uc is only potential
and i did not lose that much time
actually
i did
it would have been sub530
had to sell epic wave pounding
wary iron
Congrats
lucid pulsar
H
autumn rose
out here tryna do a classic zeus eris build and im 100% serious when i say no one has showed up but Ares for the last 7 BOONS
i lit have 1 zeus boon going into styx
undone tundra
did u use zeus trinket then
👁️
anyway i might be bragging a little but i beat big man for the first time on like my 10th run
fun game.
autumn rose
did u use zeus trinket then
Yes
Thats the sad part
I did get cluster rockets tho so can't complain too much 
undone tundra
fair
autumn rose
and zeus is not in the shop or any door in styx
literally seen him once with the keepsake and never again lmao i never seen this happen
mint coral
I've seen it once at least
latent moon
Happens lmao
autumn rose
i even had a full pool in tartarus 
umbral parrot
i forgot what a pool is
agile basin
i forgot what a pool is
pool of gods is the gods that can still show up during the run
after you get 4 gods (olimpians to be more expecific), you will only be offered those. unless you use a keepsake or other specif situation
umbral parrot
True
lucid pulsar
dumb question but after i beat hades i dont go to persefonys house anymore so i cant catch the op fish that gives like ambrosia anymore?
jagged hamlet
You can fish at the final fight's arena
lucid pulsar
really? i never got it there and does it have the same fis pool?
jagged hamlet
Yes
mighty oasis
how do u unlock extreme measures 4
Do another run and maybe talk to Hades, should just be buyable from the house contractor
lucid pulsar
ty
lucid pulsar
Hi guys I am doing a ver with a friend witch is who can beat buffed hades with only the fists ( any aspect ) can anybody give me a build that could work ?
latent moon
em4 with fists?
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All the Zeus
latent moon
dem fists for more damage or zag fists for a bit more survivability, although i wouldn't recommend zag fists just go for damage and dash smart
long knuckle is gonna be a good hammer for safety, otherwise it doesn't really matter what hammer you pick up as long it isn't like heavy knuckle or quake cutter
just not something that negatively impacts you
breaching cross is the best hammer for armor shredding, can help deal with the adds
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Breaching Cross