heat not speed
#h1-discussion
stiff obsidian
stiff obsidian
no
stone rune
id go for ddash
stiff obsidian
over mirage
stone rune
mirage sounds fake
stiff obsidian
cast tho
jagged hamlet
+1 on cast
latent moon
so its a pom
I mean it's +1 base damage each time so it's better than a pom
But it's still like whatever
mint coral
lmao what
latent moon
mysterra is cracked
latent moon
yeah modded for more heat
mysterra's screenshot
they also already did js4 for 65 heat and they said it felt like no difference lmao
desert tundra
Mad lad gamers
stiff obsidian
these kind of people make me want to quit
desert tundra
And 64 heat was done only like 3 months ago?
desert tundra
these kind of people make me want to quit
Why though, they have nothing to do with your own skill just keep playing
stone rune
and im pretty sure the modded 64 was
desert tundra
Everyone makes their own progress
latent moon
no it was like
a couple weeks before the unmodded lmao
unless you meant first 64 modded
desert tundra
In modded they don't use all of the selections in the Pact?
latent moon
wdym
stone rune
hey guys mysterra just called me creative so im basically the coolest person ever
desert tundra
wdym
Cause normal 64 heat they just max out every single pact, I've never seen modded runs so do they give themselves boons to compensate or go over the limit on other pacts instead of maxing all of them?
stone rune
runs called modded are 99.99% of the time using the speedrun modpack, heat runs sometimes use first boon guaranteed epic as well
latent moon
this run probably used the 99 heat mod too for cp3
desert tundra
I see
chilly slate
Yk… I’m pretty depressed but high asf rn and Sisyphus is honestly inspiring dude is straight up having a good time. We don’t even have to imagine him happy. Feeling better already
drowsy linden
hes has a while to think
tepid light
Does the speedrun modpack actually adjust the game in any way or is it just cosmetic stuff to show you your times for each biome and so forth
stone rune
it adds fountain indicators
4 options first boon
guaranteed first hammer and 2 sack
no barge or bull
quick reset
mint coral
And no tony
stone rune
basically just the basic stuff u fundamentally need for a good time
mint coral
For rta you can also remove Than
stone rune
yeah
stiff obsidian
You can also force patty in elysium
stiff obsidian
I am ahead of my time
formal orbit
Does hypermodded force than?
stone rune
no
tepid light
I do wish the game had more extra content mods like olympusextra, but I guess with Hades 2 coming soon it's not much of a concern anymore
latent moon
i mean adding in gods is a lot of work and time and they did add 3 gods
idk what other types of content could be easily added
there's an endless mode, there's codex mod
i remember someone mentioning a boss rush mod
there's a minecraft steve mod lmao
formal orbit
Olympusextra also feel lackluster and definitely not well balanced
Kudo to the effort of the VA and artist but I don’t really enjoy it
latent moon
tbf balance kinda hard
the mod is well made in terms of like boons, effects, VA and whatnot but i've never played it so i can't comment on the balance
i think i remember watching haelian's vid on hestia or something about lava pools or whatever
it was interesting to watch but idrk how strong it is
knotty glacier
it was interesting to watch but idrk how strong it is
Apollo aid is crazy imbalanced
short glen
I mean, the aids aren't exactly the height of balancing in vanilla either tbh
tepid light
the mod is well made in terms of like boons, effects, VA and whatnot but i've ne...
Imo if you're downloading something like olympusextra, those kinds of things are what you're prioritizing anyway
i.e. pure variety
Even if it's not balanced per se the new stuff can make the game feel fresh again, and for a lot of people that's all they want
as long as the stuff isn't horrifically, "literally no challenge anymore in the game" sorts of imbalanced
or unless you're a certain person
short glen
as long as the stuff isn't horrifically, "literally no challenge anymore in the ...
That can be fun for a couple of runs tbh
tepid light
That can be fun for a couple of runs tbh
Yeah, even then
Sometimes nice to just get something overpowered and send it
short glen
Sometimes you want to FEEL like a god
stiff obsidian
That's when you use a speedbuild
short glen
That requires you to GET the speedbuild
void vigil
I think I did a solid 100 runs of hera with crush shot in a row
just feels good to be powerful in the video game
tepid light
I think I did a solid 100 runs of hera with crush shot in a row
Me when I do Aphro or Artemis strike Arthur
void vigil
lol I did a lot of artemis arthur also, when I was clearing sword bounties
I like the monotony and routine of doing the same build over and over. Lol
And it’s not as hard as looking for duos
tepid light
And there's no better way to learn the intricacies of a certain build/weapon
Than by playing it over and over
Those 1000+ damage crits on arthur strikes give me life
Pipe dream is aphrodite strike with pressure points and artemis/athena duo on arthur
formal orbit
you're missing shadow slash and some juicy chaos backstab
my highest number was somewhere 3500
tepid light
you're missing shadow slash and some juicy chaos backstab
or just straight up chaos attack bonuses
formal orbit
backstab for better big number
tepid light
The only problem is that backstab doesn't work on everything
formal orbit
but yeah, arty % so sad that you need chaos
formal orbit
clean kill is a bait boon ngl, you want hunter mark
once you get all the arty essential should you consider clean kill
tepid light
once you get all the arty essential should you consider clean kill
or if you have artemis/athena duo, as i indicated above
stiff obsidian
Clean kill doesn't do anything
tepid light
Clean kill doesn't do anything
it makes me chuckle and that's the point of this discussion
stiff obsidian
Oh it was sarcastic
tepid light
honestly i'm surprised a certain individual hasn't come in screaming about how arthur is bad yet
formal orbit
it's midnight there
void vigil
arthur is… fun :)
tepid light
it's midnight there
let's have it stay midnight forever
stiff obsidian
I need to do my arthur 50 soon
void vigil
the only sword aspect I can play ngl I’m just not a sword player
void vigil
I don’t play with it at all now that I’ve finished all the bounties and the unseen one title
herabow crush shot forever
stiff obsidian
Based
tepid light
I just play lightning strike on all my other swords
lighning strike arthur, here we go
stiff obsidian
Lol that's why I specifically said 'other'
tepid light
arthur actually feels like a real sword to me with the heft and power behind it
the other swords feel more like daggers
stiff obsidian
I mean when used right the other swords far outclass it in terms of damage
formal orbit
the optimal way to play other swords is to play it like a rapier
stiff obsidian
But I get that
formal orbit
thrust is the way
stiff obsidian
If you see my sword gameplay before I get my first hammer you will wash your eyes with bleach
tepid light
I still have fond memories of my world splitter nemesis run
weird arthur is very entertaining
brisk trail
I unlocked resource director
this is where the game truly begins isn't it
or does it end by most meanings at true ending
mint coral
Resource director is just a resource sink
rose roost
it's just cosmetic
rose roost
or does it end by most meanings at true ending
the main story ends there
upper wolf
tbh it's valid to think that it's when the story end that things like heat/speedrun/etc start
brisk trail
tbh it's valid to think that it's when the story end that things like heat/speed...
ehh, i'm going for epilogue
as well as for having fun
bet few of you knew what that meant
mint coral
what is getting vorimed?
Is the mod that makes it so the first boon offers the 4 cores
Antivorimed cuz Vorime ran into that situation during games done quick
formal orbit
Croven with 4 sub5 hera 
formal orbit
Probably in the obsolete tab in his profile
brisk trail
Hades: Escape from Hell Reunite couples
Hades and Persephone, Pat and Achilles, Orpheus and Eurydice, and Thanzag
the real thing killing zag isn't the fates, it's aphrodite, she's scared for her job
mint coral
Hades and Persephone, Pat and Achilles, Orpheus and Eurydice, and Thanzag
No zag and meg?
wary iron
Zag and Dusa?
mint coral
I mean
||Is it really a couple if you end up as friends?||
knotty glacier
Familial love is a thing even Aphrodite acknowledged
I dont think either of them feel that
formal orbit
True, but i feel like it worth mentioning
wary iron
I mean
||Is it really a couple if you end up as friends?||
Well, if you play it smart and never give her the last ambrosia
mint coral
upper wolf
Antivorimed cuz Vorime ran into that situation during games done quick
That was so painful to watch lol
wary iron
Guys
It has been three months since I started playing hades again
Three months since I put in 5 titan blood in the fists
And today, after three months, I got the thrice damned words
final plover
for the hidden aspects is it something I will unlock just by playing and progressing stories and relationships with characters or is it something more specific that I should look up how to do? I only have the spear so far
wary iron
The spear hidden is one requirement to unlock the other hiddens
They are in #h1-story-discussion pins
final plover
thank you!
wary iron
Is sea storm/jolted good for beo Poseidon cast and mirage shot?
wary iron
Alr thanks
Is there any boon really important for a beo build other than flood flare, arty attack and mirage shot?
jagged hamlet
Rush Delivery!
wary iron
I’m convinced it doesn’t exist
raw herald
+stones and % cast damage from chaos, apart from that you’re just looking for poms
So taking other random boons is sometimes detrimental
stone rune
especially if they also open duos
wary iron
Would it make sense, to go for fully loaded?
raw herald
You can go for it if you see Artemis after mirage shot, but you need so many boons that its definitely not worth rolling for
Usually you’d prefer to have pressure points + hunters mark
wary iron
For example I had a Tartarus mirage shot, and still had the arty keepsake, i generally go for one boon then, and hope to either get another till Styx or get the second requirement and fully loaded in Styx
stone rune
why do u still have arty into aspho with mirage
raw herald
Yeah you’d be better off taking coin purse or hourglass
Or plume if you haven’t seen hermes yet
stone rune
on beo for fully loaded u need support fire
and there are better options than support fire
drowsy linden
Is there any boon really important for a beo build other than flood flare, arty ...
i think bad news is ok because of glitrch
stone rune
namely marked and pp
u can’t get bad news
on flood flare
that’s stygian exclusive
wary iron
why do u still have arty into aspho with mirage
I start with poseidons keepsake
raw herald
If you have mirage in Tartarus, dont take arty into asphodel
stone rune
yea
wary iron
Alright thank you all
gray apex
Arty for mark is not unheard of. But would only do it if the Well is bad and you’re not broke
raw herald
Tbf you can take arty if you want, but you’ll probably quickly see that getting fully loaded is pretty unreliable (or you might just get lucky)
But the better build on average will come from spending rolls on wells and hermes
stone rune
and not on pride without hermes
simple jewel
Hello how can I open locked rooms on hall which Hades don't let us to in?
jagged hamlet
Keep on running and clearing or dying until you get the option
simple jewel
My 27. attempt 6 escaped i guess - So I have to run more
jagged hamlet
Oh true. Good point!
formal orbit
have you considered branch out? bow and rail are good
brisk trail
<:zagsad:1012805275511701554>
that's so obviously a joke
c'mon I'm gonna try to learn beowulf
stone rune
flood flare
deadly strike or flourish to open mirage shot duo
pom the flare
get good chaos and wells and hermes
win
formal orbit
good hermes mean hyper sprint and rush delivery
stone rune
yeah
formal orbit
or with stygian dio beo you can cope with auto reload bad news
still cope but it's something
tepid light
no beo sucks unfortunately
i did quite a double take here
shy kite
stone rune
yes
tepid light
no
jade moss
why is spear so god damn awful
by the final boss i was doing 50dmg per hit, it barely even tickled the boss health bar
but with bow i was doing 1,000 dmg per shot
this doesnt seem right
i never wanna use that weapon again
tepid light
zagreus spear, i assume?
upper wolf
what was your build ? I'm not the biggest spear enjoyer but still, you shouldn't be struggling that much
tepid light
I can understand feeling weak on zagreus spear since the other spears either have ways to give big bonuses to their damage or just have higher damage in general
That said, yeah it also depends on the build
formal orbit
spear is hammer dependant
either flurry jab or special related hammer
preferably charged skewer and explosive
serrated is risky
upper wolf
you can always go achilles hunting blade/crystal clarity if you don't want to be dependant on hammers
and kinda GY
charged skewer is amazing on GY, but you can still do well enough without it
upper wolf
oh and you can do pretty well on Hades spear by using normal attack instead of special as your main damage, it's weaker but doesn't need hammers
brisk trail
family reunited <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
nice
you got to epilogue?
dammmmmmm
that's gonna take a while for me
I only cleared the game like, 20 times
I should be getting more nectar and giving them to everyone
tepid light
you can always go achilles hunting blade/crystal clarity if you don't want to be...
you're not wrong, but at that point you're not playing spear
upper wolf
meh, you still kinda need to use your special and maybe an attack here and there 🤷♂️
... low bar, but still
tepid light
eh i think my point still stands
at that point it's just a "i don't like this weapon so i'm running a build that makes it so that i don't have to actually use the weapon" kind of thing
upper wolf
fair enough
gritty halo
hello , i want to 100% hades , but i'm stuck for the epilogue , i have to complete the favor of Dionysus , but it doesnt want , i complete more than 10 relationships , i used so many ambrosia , i talked to him 1000x time , but the hearth is always closed
brisk trail
hades idea: change hades fight to one bossbar, and when EM4 comes into play, hades revives twice
rose roost
did you check his favor in wiki?
brisk trail
the wiki sucks
gritty halo
yeah
rose roost
wiki has all gods' favor
brisk trail
together we can fix it
rose roost
weird
brisk trail
but probably when everyone's on vacation
gritty halo
same for artemis , i just had to talk to her , but with 50h in the game , it's always locked
rose roost
the wiki sucks
it's alr
brisk trail
it's alr
no it's not
especially with history of characters, quotes, and other story stuff
and even with mechanical stuff, it still aint great
gritty halo
so is there a site with good info on favors?
mint coral
Wiki is fine for favors
void vigil
wiki does need a lot of fixing, there’s been a lot of people adding needless and inaccurate information
I have not had the time and such to really get into fixing it
mint coral
hello , i want to 100% hades , but i'm stuck for the epilogue , i have to comple...
The answer to this btw is sadly "just keep trying"
Is not a matter of requisites at this point but just rng when the convo comes up
mint coral
Yeah
If you are really desperate I guess you could do the usual talk to him chamber 1 and commit die to force more conversations with him
formal orbit
I remembered seeing a WIP ffte guide somewhere
gritty halo
If you are really desperate I guess you could do the usual talk to him chamber 1...
kk i will try , ty 👍
formal orbit
kk i will try , ty 👍
Yeah i found this
Also haelian’s first ffte run screenshot
desert tundra
simple jewel
how can i oppen hidden aspects?
sour fog
there is a guide pinned in #h1-story-discussion
mint coral
how can i oppen hidden aspects?
Pins in #h1-story-discussion
sour fog
you have to unlock spear hidden first before you can do the rest
lilac sandal
how can i oppen hidden aspects?
I’ve been wondering that too for awhile!
simple jewel
What does it mean FATED LIST?
simple jewel
Pins in <#521035166471159828>
do I have to go last boss with spear when I didn't open any of them? to open aspects
mint coral
What does it mean FATED LIST?
List of minor prophecies, the table in your room that has small side quests
old island
is the spear's hidden aspect bad or am i bad
mint coral
do I have to go last boss with spear when I didn't open any of them? to open asp...
You need to have reached dad at least once, no matter the weapon
For normal aspects you only need to have unlocked all weapons and do another run if that's what you meant
simple jewel
For normal aspects you only need to have unlocked all weapons and do another run...
I don't see on fated list about guan yu
I already killed him like 10 times
simple jewel
I have aspects unlocked but for each weapon
Example sword has already opened 2 aspects
on bow i didn't open any aspect
total i have 5 aspect opened
simple jewel
what does it mean
mint coral
When achilles will give you the awakening phrase is random
mental mirage
Cuz hades’s story makes no sense
mint coral
There's some system that shouldn't make it too long but still random at the end of the day
Someone took 3 months to unlock hidden fists
mint coral
untill phrase came
Yeah
simple jewel
what lmao
jagged hamlet
Will they update hades
No
agile basin
Cuz hades’s story makes no sense
What?
latent moon
i mean most of it is
they take some artistic liberties with it
but as a whole, the story is pretty cohesive and doesn't really have any loose ends or plot holes
or like they used different versions of greek myth that we're not aware of
wary iron
One could say Greek mythology isn’t based on Greek mythology
agile basin
yeah, Im didnt consume too much greek myth based media, but hades seems like the most accurated one
agile basin
Like it’s not rlly based off Greek mythology
why do you say that?
agile basin
yes please elaborate, I really know what point are you talking about
(sorry if sounds a bit agressive, this is not my first language)
wary iron
I’m this close to pinging them👌
agile basin
well, keep playin the game then
wary iron
He was only called a bad father, and even that improved over time
agile basin
Zag sees hades as bad
but everyone else respects him
mental mirage
They also called Hercules “hercales”
wary iron
It’s Heracles in Greek
agile basin
Also, hades is the best father he could know to be
wary iron
Hercules in Roman
mental mirage
Also, hades is the best father he could know to be
Hades wasn’t a good father
Not rlly
agile basin
Yes
mental mirage
Zeus was a better father
wary iron
Zeus was a better father
No
agile basin
....what
wary iron
Hades did the absolute best under the circumstances
wary iron
Where as Zeus was a idiot
mental mirage
Hades didn’t rlly like them
agile basin
I mean, Hades (game) tries to avoid alot of stuff, so zeus just seems like a prick
mental mirage
I mean, Hades (game) tries to avoid alot of stuff, so zeus just seems like a pri...
Bruh hades literally got his wife by trapping them
wary iron
Zeus gave his children power and all it did was annoy other gods
mental mirage
And then neglected his kids
mental mirage
Zeus gave his children power and all it did was annoy other gods
They were jealous
mental mirage
Also Zagreus wasn’t even accurately depicted into the game
mental mirage
Hermes was just 2 days old when he stole a sheep herd from Apollo
They were both sons of Zeus
agile basin
Bruh hades literally got his wife by trapping them
Im talking about hades game btw
Hades tries to teach zag what Hades know, what he thinks would be good lessons.
remember, hades father literaly eat him. he never learn anything good
mental mirage
Im talking about hades game btw
Hades tries to teach zag what Hades know, what h...
Poseidon and Zeus were also ate
Ur dumb
agile basin
Also Zagreus wasn’t even accurately depicted into the game
tell me your impression of zag before hades, please
I only saw ppl talkin how there was only one phrase talkin about zag
jagged hamlet
I sense troll
wary iron
Of course
mental mirage
I guess
wary iron
And I’m here for it
mental mirage
I sense troll
I’m genuine
Trust
But explain how poseidon is way better than hades yet he’s gone through similar things
Hades was a prick
wary iron
What do you mean way better?
mental mirage
What do you mean way better?
He has better achievements
wary iron
Remember what he did to Athena?
mental mirage
And useful children
wary iron
Or rather Medusa
wary iron
And useful children
Yes hardly anything can beat a flying horse
mental mirage
Remember what he did to Athena?
That’s one version of the story
mental mirage
Yes hardly anything can beat a flying horse
Bruh
Name a influential children of hades
mental mirage
Besides Pegasus in the end served as weather forecast…
He literally had the most children out of all the gods
What u mad about
agile basin
But explain how poseidon is way better than hades yet he’s gone through similar ...
thats no metric for that on hades game, so I cant talk argue anything about that.
my point is only that Hades from this game has good reasons to act the way he does, and he is not depicted as "bad". he is wrong most of the time, but from his eyes, is what he truly sees as best
wary iron
I’m not mad simply tired
mental mirage
Just admit Poseidon is the best god
wary iron
Dude what is this even about?
wary iron
Mhm yeah sure
mental mirage
thats no metric for that on hades game, so I cant talk argue anything about that...
Why’s they name the game hades tho
agile basin
Also Zagreus wasn’t even accurately depicted into the game
ok, so, please
tell me what expetetion you had of zag
agile basin
Why’s they name the game hades tho
hades is the place, and one of the main characters
void vigil
i think hades is just a catchier title than zagreus, and hades is more well known than him
mental mirage
ok, so, please
tell me what expetetion you had of zag
Like cooler and stuff
He was an underwhelming character
wary iron
Also technically the game is about reuniting hades and Persephone
agile basin
what
zag is cool ?
mental mirage
what
zag is cool ?
No I responded to ur question asking what I expected from zag
They didn’t make him cool in the game
wary iron
I mean you’re definitely trolling but at this point it’s just ridiculous to watch
agile basin
By my message I meant
"Wait, zagreus isnt cool?"
cuz I think he is cool
also, funny thingy, talking about fully personal taste. zag is one of the few dudes I really like in games
mint coral
What you expected when you mean cool
mental mirage
What you expected when you mean cool
Cool like sue
agile basin
what
zag is cool ?
that would be my question if I could elaborate it here lol
mental mirage
Zeus
mental mirage
that would be my question if I could elaborate it here lol
Yeah he wasn’t that cool
void vigil
regarding earlier messages in the game, dusa references athena and not poseidon as someone to watch out for
mint coral
Even in game where zeus is practically only showing his good side to zag I can't see him as cool ngl
agile basin
for me zuz looks "powerful"
and not in a good way
wary iron
regarding earlier messages in the game, dusa references athena and not poseidon ...
That’d be understandable, if you consider the curse Athena put on her
void vigil
i see zeus "bad side" in the game, i dont think hes portrayed to zagreus as only good
mint coral
Uh I prob worded it weirdly?
Also prob just rusty on most comments from the game
I meant mostly when zeus directly comments to zag he nevers shown much of whatever atrocity he has done (cuz no reason)
Ofc that facade is gone once Hades comments on it
latent moon
is the argument just "hades is an ass but zeus/poseidon aren't" because that's kinda what the oversimplification sounds like to me
like hades doesn't give his children worthwhile powers but zeus and pos do?
agile basin
that sure sounds like their point lol
latent moon
hades kidnapping a wife def isn't great i'll give you that but zeus sure did a lot worse than that lmao
wary iron
Yes
latent moon
pos idrk that much about his children and wives so i can't make a point on that
mint coral
hades kidnapping a wife def isn't great i'll give you that but zeus sure did a l...
And even then, in game the whole hades-persophone thing is also a zeus moment
agile basin
hades kidnapping a wife def isn't great i'll give you that but zeus sure did a l...
also, here that was mostly zeuz fault (right? I need to re-do the whole story again, its been 400h)
what actually makes way more sense lol
wary iron
And having a lot of meaningful children doesn’t necessarily mean that the god is good
latent moon
ngl i dont remember zeus being involved in the hades-persephone thing lmao
agile basin
by my memory it was
zeus - ok, lil pepe here wants to leave, hades needs a wife. so its done!
latent moon
oh yeah lmao
but yeah at no point was zeus "a better father" even if like all the gods are pretty terrible fathers
mint coral
Also zeus talking about demeter is so 
agile basin
zeuz talkin about any woman actually lol
mint coral
"excuse your aunt, her daughter went missing and no one knows how"
My fav comment from Zeus is still the hera one post epilogue lmao
"your parents could rival my relationship with Hera"
wary iron
They had a relationship?
old island
my guy
zeus had a relationship with basically everyone
i think hera is actually zeus' main girl
wary iron
zeus had a relationship with basically everyone
I know, I tried to make a joke 
old island
I know, I tried to make a joke <:zagsad:1012805275511701554>
apologies, feel free to smite me down
void vigil
i think hera is actually zeus' main girl
its not filtered by the swear filter, but i feel like a more appropriate word should be used here. 😅
old island
its not filtered by the swear filter, but i feel like a more appropriate word sh...
apologies
rephrased
agile basin
zeus had a relationship with basically everyone
I chuckled a lil about how "relationship" is doin alot of hidden here lol
old island
lmao
wary iron
I have one more question regarding beo, since the loaded rush deals aoe damage, could you quickly kill both heroes if you keep them close to each other?
wary iron
Thank you
jade moss
does heavy knuckle replace long knuckle?
i took long knuckle in the first floor and now i got the option to pick heavy knuckle in the 3rd floor
latent moon
Anvil gives you 2 hammer upgrades while removing one of yours
jade moss
im not using anvil
mint coral
3rd floor so this is ely
latent moon
Oh wait lmao
If it's offered to you then it's not a replace
If they're incompatible then you won't be offered it in the first place
jade moss
ok, is it worth it if i have the artemis 3% crit chance on normal attack?
latent moon
No
Heavy knuckle is kinda bad
Unless you have Artemis or Aphrodite atk for some reason
jade moss
i dont have pic perms so cant show what the other options are but
it has kinetic launcher, heavy knuckle and rush kick
jade moss
Unless you have Artemis or Aphrodite atk for some reason
i have mostly athena stuff
i have athena attack and athena dash and something from hermes
latent moon
Kinetic launcher is good here if you're on Demeter fists
jade moss
i have athena fists
latent moon
Heavy knuckle can mess with your timings
latent moon
i have athena fists
I meant aspect of Demeter
jade moss
the way i play is just hold m1 and spam dash
oh, im using the one that has dodge chance
with the dodge chance keepsake
latent moon
Then none of the hammers are really relevant lmao just don't take heavy knuckle
jade moss
why, does it make the athena fist worse or something
latent moon
But in my experience you generally get hit more
For you more since you have a % based attack boon
jade moss
ok, should i take the kinetic launcher then or rush kick?
both seems kinda bad
rush kick does 40 base damage twice and launcher does 50 once
so maybe rush kick?
latent moon
On zag fists you don't really use the special
So it doesn't really matter
Just take whichever one you want lmao
Generally speaking tho kinetic launcher is better
jade moss
should i loot all of the rooms in the last area?
or just go straight to the final boss when i get the item for the dog
brisk trail
me: wants to save up for work orders and epilogue
also me: buys the bed and the plaything as well as giving all my nectar to the dog
I'm the ultimate non-monster
jade moss
is there any reason to have higher than 1 heat?
i beat the game on 1 heat and it still says the heat gauge is full with 1 heat
latent moon
The heat gauge is tracked differently between weapons
Also increasing heat is the only way to get titan blood, diamonds, and ambrosia
Caps at 20 heat per weapon
jade moss
it doesnt give more rewards if you exceed the gauge
jade moss
i spent all my titan blood on zagreus aspect on spear cuz i got the 20% extra darkness on it now
gonna get a bad run again prolly, never got a good run with spear
i always do so little damage with the spear it cant kill anything past the first floor
formal orbit
You can try flurry jab and hold down attack button while dashing
jade moss
i read somewhere that poseidon and zeus are good with spear
so imma try that
imma equip poseidon keepsake and then after that imma switch to zeus keepsake
jade moss
someone said i should get poseidon special, hammer that turns special into exploding spear, zeus duo
and some other zeus and poseidon stuff
latent moon
Have fun getting a specific hammer lmao
jade moss
isnt there like 2 guaranteed hammers per run
formal orbit
You need 2 for that build
jade moss
i always get hammer at the first room in elysium
formal orbit
Explosive to charged skewer
latent moon
isnt there like 2 guaranteed hammers per run
You don't get guaranteed options tho
Yes you're guaranteed to get 2 hammers but you're not guaranteed to get what you want
jade moss
i might switch extreme measures for some other condition
the trio boss is really hard with weapons like this
maybe jury summons would be easier
20% more enemies
formal orbit
i might switch extreme measures for some other condition
There are heat progression guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
jade moss
how do i get the last keepsake at the bottom?
mint coral
if you aren't doing a cast build it doesn't matter really
dash can't go wrong with tidal or divine
drowsy linden
for hunting blades achilles, do you want legacy or pride
stone rune
for hunting blades achilles, do you want legacy or pride
pride
jade moss
this run is so doomed, i was fighting charon and lost 2 death defiances
yep i died to the first boss
idk how to fight against that with spear, its just way too fast to make any precise attacks
drowsy linden
against what
jade moss
the fury sisters
drowsy linden
which one
against furies in general, i use the extra range from spear to avoid their swipes, and then dash away/into them/to the side for their charges
achilles rush helps a bit
jade moss
pretty sure all 3 of them attack at the same time
drowsy linden
pretty sure all 3 of them attack at the same time
false
with em1, there will be 1/2 supporting furies, then the main one
jade moss
why dont i get new fishes i get to the codex
drowsy linden
why dont i get new fishes i get to the codex
catch mroe fish
catching within 1/3 of a second grants a rare/legendary
jade moss
god i hate using bow against multiple enemies
without exploding arrows
just lost like 2 death defiances i think against hydra cuz theres just too many enemies to shoot at while having to time each shot perfectly with the dash
idk why the weapons cant just be equally powerful
with fists i can beat the game without even really trying if i get couple hermes and athena boons
same with the gun kinda, every other weapon just feels like they are so much weaker
stone rune
fists happen to be the weakest weapon in the game
so i think it's not the weapon holding you
jade moss
for me they are the strongest for some reason
jade moss
i cant even get hit with the dodge chance aspect
and the keepsake that also increases it to like prolly 60%
and it does so much dmg
every other weapon does so little damage i have to fight 1 normal enemy for alteast 30 seconds
i just had the bow with exploding arrows and the thing that increases my power shot damage by like 200% or 300% or something
and still it barely does any dmg to the elysium enemies
stone rune
what builds are you making
stone rune
maybe that's the culprit 🗿
jade moss
how would i know what gods to pick
stone rune
there are pretty basic guidelines
fast attack u want flat damage
slow attack % damage
jade moss
well idk what gods give those
stone rune
so for fists for instance you'd primarily want zeus for attack
jade moss
i just know the purple god gives some hangover thing
stone rune
unless you're doing ME
jade moss
and the love god gives some debuff that makes enemies do less dmg
hermes faster
zeus has some next to useless lightning bolts
stone rune
don't you play fists
jade moss
poseidon just knockback
jade moss
so for fists for instance you'd primarily want zeus for attack
thats horrible
much better to get athena dash and fists
stone rune
stone rune
dawg
jade moss
if all of your hits and dashes deflect while also having like 60% dodge chance
stone rune
you're taking athena attack??
jade moss
ofc
stone rune
bro
how are you complaining about other weapons having no damage
you're playing athena attack fists
jade moss
i still melt the bosses and all enemies in seconds
with fists
even with athena fists
soo
drowsy linden
you're taking athena attack??
this is a very widecharon3 moment
stone rune
zeus or ares
drowsy linden
zeus is lightning bolts that do like 10 damage
yeah, athena adds like 5 to fists
jade moss
yea but it makes u not take any damage
ever
u basically have immunity to all damage
when holding m1
stone rune
that doesnt matter if you take 5 years to kill everything
drowsy linden
what does it even deflect
jade moss
it deflects everything
when u just attack
idc if it takes long to kill something aslong as i cant die
and fists has really good dps anyway
stone rune
tfw fists lowest dps weapon in the game
jade moss
best dps imo
drowsy linden
literally gonna die to speeder/fo2 splitters
jade moss
i do really low dmg with everything but fists i can just speedrun thru rooms
stone rune
best dps imo
stone rune
yeah so i'm not sure your evaluations of weapon strength and damage are super reliable here
jade moss
i just have really bad experiences with almost every other weapon than fists
with fists i can usually win the run
but with other weapons i have to sweat to even get to elysium
and then just die because i do no dmg
jade moss
also fists is the most fun to play with because you can just hold m1
with other weapons you have to spam the m1 million times per second
drowsy linden
you can do that with gun...
jade moss
yea gun is good too
i like playing with gun
almost won with it when i had triple bomb but died in hades second phase
drowsy linden
the reason your dps sucks is just boon choices/playstyle
shield is garbage outside of hidden and zeus
sword needs dashstrikes
spear is weak without achilles hidden or serrated
bow idk, just dont special
jade moss
idk what any of those are
i cant upgrade any weapons
titan blood is so hard to get
i got only fists upgraded and spear cuz i wanted to try it
got the dodge chance upgrade for fists and its rly good
drowsy linden
therell be a good way to earn bounties soon
i think it unlocks from winning a few times
jade moss
actually i got gun upgraded too
i got few levels to the thing that boosts your damage if you stand inside the explosion
drowsy linden
gun aspects(minus zag) are all really good
jade moss
i forgot which one it is
drowsy linden
eris
jade moss
the one that gives more dmg inside explosions
yh thats really good especially with triple bomb
i can throw 2 bombs to the enemy and 1 on myself or just all 3 to the enemy and dash there to get the buff
drowsy linden
theres some bug with cluster+rockets hammer, or its just straight up good
marsh cove
best aspect for dash attacking?
jade moss
i just like running around and spamming the bombs with triple on the enemy
drowsy linden
best aspect for dash attacking?
i think achilles or nem
jade moss
i have so much ambrosia and nectar but meg is never at the house
drowsy linden
fists are ok because of breaching cross
jade moss
6 ambrosia and 7 nectar
jade moss
also sometimes you cant even give her nectar even if she is at the house
kinda annoying
drowsy linden
pretty sure you can always gift nectar so long as theyre not in their own conversation
in this case, its meg with dusa
mint coral
meg iirc needs to have been defeated the run prior to see her
drowsy linden
makes sense
mint coral
can't commit die to see her quickly
mint coral
I also don't know if it has to be meg specifically
drowsy linden
alecto and tis are just a little different
mint coral
also ely dudes just respawn there iirc
drowsy linden
one would say "uncivilized"
formal orbit
And ceberus is “patience incarnate” for some reason
jade moss
does the cerberus other heads not like pets
mint coral
yeah lmao
jade moss
if i remember right there was some dialog line like that
mint coral
also makes it easier on the devs animating that
drowsy linden
i just spam pet for the achiev and never interacted with cerb again, even for nectar
jade moss
i pet cerberus after every run
formal orbit
The narrator ran out of line for that pretty quick
Now i just skip the hall everytime i died
jade moss
i dont even have any lines when looking at the tartarus where the skeleton is
after like maybe 20 times doing that it just stopped giving any lines
formal orbit
Yeah, the voiceline is kinda exhausted in about 100 hours
Then you get some niche stuff here and there
jade moss
i have played like 20h i think
i think most of my playtime has been just chatting with the npcs
lmao
formal orbit
I think most people do that
jade moss
i love how this game has so much interaction with npcs
formal orbit
Interacting with npcs make death less frustrating for sure
jade moss
not alot games do that
actually i think this might be the first game i've seen that does this
jade moss
Interacting with npcs make death less frustrating for sure
yeah, when i die im just looking forward to seeing all the new interactions with npcs
its so fun
drowsy linden
i look forward to broker deals
mint coral
use embeds
send to another discord, right click, copy img link (or use something like imgur)
drowsy linden
stone rune
jade moss
drowsy linden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1132554846399107144...
youve never seen this before, totally original
jade moss
i wonder when hades 2 will release
drowsy linden
q2 2024
formal orbit
jade moss
should i give more nectar to the weird looking green fish in the house?
formal orbit
jade moss
i been trying to save all nectar for meg but shes almost never in the house
and when she is, shes talking to someone else and then you cant gift it
isnt this kinda a plot hole, the cerberus is supposed to be guarding the gates of the underworld
but hes just sitting next to hades
mint coral
zag's method of escaping is the long way
jagged hamlet
If he's just sitting next to Hades, then how do you keep encountering him in Styx?
jade moss
idk 
does he go there at the same time you do
but why is he not always there, instead hes just sleeping in the house
mint coral
could also use the same method dad uses
jagged hamlet
Maybe there are two Cerberus
jade moss
1 ambrosia for 500 darkness
also 1 ambrosia for 1 titan blood
i have 6 ambrosia rn and idk how many do i need
jade moss
i took the deal and upgraded my olympian favor to 28%
mint coral
oh
stiff obsidian
🤔
mint coral
do you have the alternate skills?
jade moss
mint coral
swap favor to its counterpart
jade moss
bruh i just spent like alot of darkness on it
mint coral
the reset mirror button is looking at you
jagged hamlet
Oh wait. Pstatus too should probably be swapped
mint coral
boosts your chances of seeing gold laurel rooms
so more hammers, boons, poms, hearts and coins
and less meta rewards
and yeah yeah you see less darkness but cmon, is 10 per room
jade moss
coins are the worst thing
mint coral
bosses drop big amount of darkness if you already claimed the bounty
latent moon
coins are the worst thing
I sure do hate buying poms and boons to strengthen my build
jade moss
but isnt it better to have like 30% chance to have better rarity on boons
mint coral
rarity won't matter if you don't see boons
also common vs rare doesn't matter thaaat much
latent moon
Yep lmao
mint coral
just pom it idk
latent moon
For most stuff it's like a pom
jade moss
ok i have almost 5k darkness now
mint coral
and for the rest just wait for god's pride
jade moss
where should i spend
mint coral
which increases epic chance lol
jade moss
death defiance to max definitely
mint coral
dash/defiance/foresight first
jade moss
is dark regeneration better than chtonic vitality
mint coral
nah
even less if you are using foresight
also doesn't work in styx unless you have luck with charon wells
jade moss
fiery presence or shadow presence
mint coral
Wells are also guaranteed to have a healing item in it anyways
wait fr
latent moon
Shadow is only relevant in super high heat or like 1 aspect
jade moss
greater reflex or ruthless reflex
mint coral
let's go more dark regen hating
latent moon
Greater
mint coral
greater
jade moss
abyssal or boiling blood
latent moon
let's go more dark regen hating
For well manips, if you buy 2/3 items, the third item won't be in the next roll so you always buy healing if you want to roll generally
latent moon
abyssal or boiling blood
Boiling
mint coral
For well manips, if you buy 2/3 items, the third item won't be in the next roll ...
I read your comment on that one reddit post about wells lmao
jade moss
and im guessing infermal is better than stygian soul?
mint coral
that one is just vibes
latent moon
Mainly depends but mostly yes
latent moon
I read your comment on that one reddit post about wells lmao
Idr making a comment about that lmao
jade moss
how about golden touch or deep pockets
latent moon
Deep pockets
mint coral
oops
jade moss
thick skin or high confidence?
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167902852103028917/1170560642525188206/i...
Everything here is fine except shadow -> fiery, pstatus -> fam favs, and oly favor -> dark foresight
formal orbit
Max thick skin and spend the rest at dark foresight
formal orbit
Fam favor is more consistent
jade moss
yea its fun, but im prolly getting bored at some point
i have played it like 23 hours in 2 or 3 days now
jade moss
i just want to get more lore etc so im trying to beat the game over and over again cuz of that lmao
i have only beaten the game 2 times tho
jade moss
what keepsake should i use with shield
formal orbit
Probably aphro for attack then whatever you want
You can even start purse for some early money
jade moss
isnt aphrodite just making ur enemies do less dmg to u
formal orbit
Aphro attack has the highest modifier
jade moss
oh
idk how to fight with the shield
should i spam the throw
or the charged attack or what
formal orbit
You can ignore the throw if you want
Charge attack is comfy but not so much damage
You need charged shot for it to do damage
Most of the time, you just dash strike
jade moss
oh
o nice i got aphrodite instantly when i started the run, even tho i had the money keepsake
so i should go for attack damage and not special damage?
jade moss
bit too long video
formal orbit
Watch the first part is fine
jade moss
is there any situation where getting money is better than a boon
stone rune
if u dont want the god in your pool
mint coral
has someone told you about god pool
jade moss
i got athena and coin doors
athena dash would probably be good with this so i might take it
but that boon is kinda rare
i got it
i got option to pick zeus aid
isnt that like the best aid in the game?
all of the calls look kinda underwhelming tbh
mint coral
zeus is one of the best yeah
jade moss
it has lightning reflexes and zeus aid
mint coral
for normal encounters you aren't reaching a full bar
jade moss
i usually just use it to get the last bit of hp out of bosses
jade moss
or in hydra, i use it sometimes to clear those billion enemies that get summoned
mint coral
on hydra even more reason to just use lesser calls then
specially for that
zeus call already does a bunch of dmg on its own
jade moss
the biggest reason why i started hating bow is because the hydra has like 5 or 6 snakes that get summoned 2 times in the battle with additional enemies
jade moss
it is so frustrating having to perfectly time ur dash and m1 to power shot and then it just hits a single enemy out of those millions
mint coral
static discharge is good but call alone is eh at infliciting it
jade moss
it is so frustrating having to perfectly time ur dash and m1 to power shot and t...
same reason i dont really like spear, hits in a straight line
mint coral
also a more obvious example of lesser calls
dyonisus call is pointless to use the full call
due to hangover max stacks
jade moss
hangover just seems really mid
the only reason i get the hangover casts sometimes is cuz it does a good dmg
mint coral
hangover is fine in the sense that you only need the boon + poms
jade moss
and it stuns some fodder enemies
mint coral
but with how easy is to get builds going that doesn't really shine that much until way later
jade moss
btw do you kill the minotaur first or the other one?
mint coral
always bull first
jade moss
i always kill the other one first because hes such a pain to deal with
minotaur is really easy
the other one is pain in the ass
mint coral
Theseus is just a mosquitoe really
jade moss
and even more annoying in the enraged state so i kill him first always
mint coral
and even more annoying in the enraged state so i kill him first always
that's why you kill the bull first
during his call he doesn't hold the shield
so you can just wack him for free
jade moss
the bull just jumps at u and doesnt rly do anything else
and has same attack in the enraged state
while the other guy fills then map with nukes and does hella damage while also blocking almost all of ur dmg
mint coral
with nukes you mean the effects after the phase change?
also for dealing with the shield
jade moss
when the map gets filled with the circles
mint coral
dodge the spear throw and hit him while he retreats
jade moss
and theres really no safe spot