The story will revolve around why you where taken and the power struggle between each mythology to be the "one true mythology"
#h1-discussion
humble willow
short glen
Isn't Greece like... Almost literally directly between Greece and Egypt?
humble willow
Doesnt have to be in a specific order. Could go from norway to eastern europe through chinese and hindu mythology round to egypt etc
If thats your complaint about my idea then i think ive done a pretty decent job 💀
formal orbit
You do realize Santa Monica is a team of hundreds of people, the scope of your idea is not feasible for a studio like SSG
humble willow
Isn't Greece like... Almost literally directly between Greece and Egypt?
Also i never said greece had to be the end point. I just gave an example. You could play as an egyptian demi god for example idk
formal orbit
Stretching the character too thin heavily affected the story quality
humble willow
You do realize Santa Monica is a team of hundreds of people, the scope of your i...
Its really not. It'd be the exact same format as haded 1 and 2 just new bosses and new characters. It can be the exact same size maybe slightly bigger in terms of story
More than achievable especially in a 5+ year time frame
formal orbit
Yeah i wouldn’t buy a rehash like that, gow push the story foward in a meaningful way
humble willow
"Rehash" its not a rehash tho is it.
For 1 its a rogue-like. 2 i dont remember seeing egyptian or hindu gods in god of war. Art style and story will be completely different
mint coral
I'm just gonna give the old grumpy grandpa response
After hades 2 I just want a new og world from sgg
~~And not a roguelike too ~~
stone rune
in hades 2 i want beowulf
rose roost
sgg fps game arc
mint coral
Sgg rhythm game
humble willow
~~And not a roguelike too ~~
Each to their own. I hope ssg keep making rogue-likes. Disliked their previous games. Only gave hades a shot because my friends told me to play and glad i did
formal orbit
Hades is already a rhythm game
mint coral
Hades is still the roguelike I love the most
formal orbit
The great thing about ssg is always the story not the gameplay
short glen
They should make Hades 3 as a farming sim where you play as Persephone outside the underworld where Zag shows up halfway through
stone rune
humble willow
Not waiting on anyone to make anything... i just gave an idea i thought would be cool 😂
formal orbit
But they gameplay still holding up compare to the big boy
jagged hamlet
If you need a rhythm roguelite, there's always Crypt of the Necrodancer 😄
humble willow
Hades is still the roguelike I love the most
Joint 1st with Inscryption for me
mint coral
If you need a rhythm roguelite, there's always Crypt of the Necrodancer 😄
I've tried it once
jagged hamlet
I wanna see DannyB and Darren Korb face off in a music duel
stone rune
what about danny brown
mint coral
i don’t like basically any other roguelites
Same
I enjoy isaac cuz I just imported a 100% file to mess around
formal orbit
Hades is so good it makes you think you like roguelites lmao
stone rune
what about danny brown
quaranta gonna be fire
humble willow
i don’t like basically any other roguelites
Play inscryption. The rogue-like mode is amazing and the story mode is also really good (tho i prefer the rogue-like only mode as i can also add mods for cards and stuff)
humble willow
The main story id a rogue-lite but the rogue-like mode is just a... rogue-like
mint coral
Inscriptions seems fun but deck building games aren't my thing
jagged hamlet
Hi, broke!
stone rune
hades is a full time job for me
humble willow
Each to their own. I didnt like deck builders (and still don't) until i played inscryption
mint coral
Play more hades
latent moon
hades is a full time job for me
are you getting paid tho
stone rune
i already took an excessive break on saturday
for the cube comp
need to make up that time
i have hades obligations
latent moon
sounds like addictions
stone rune
zeus sub6
40 sub6
achilles sub6
sub5
once i’m done with that then maybe i’ll stop
latent moon
i feel like my point still stands lmao
latent moon
once i’m done with that then maybe i’ll stop
i've heard that one before
formal orbit
Why not achilles sub5 like 185
stone rune
because achilles already gave me carpal tunnel
short glen
You mean you didn't just randomly get it like I did?
latent moon
i mean like having goals in a game is fine and all but its starting to lowkey sound like an addiction if you call not playing 1 day an "excessive break" lmao
latent moon
considering how much you play idk about that one lmfao
stone rune
i got a sub20 average which was nice
formal orbit
i stop when i get 64
stone rune
i didn’t play much wednesday or friday either
mint coral
I haven't opened the game since the sub 7 lmao
stone rune
exams and studying for exams
i spent 4 hours doing physics problems dawg
i hate tension
short glen
Physics addiction
latent moon
i only open the game for like 2-3 runs which is like max 1 hour and that's not even every day lmao it's like every 2/3 days
stone rune
i figured it out
i mean i only go over an hour if i’m playing late at night
i just replace the time i would spend on other leisurely activities with hades for the most part
given that i don’t have many leisurely activities to do
latent moon
dw they hate you too, the feeling is mutual
jagged hamlet
Oh gosh I'd hate to be an admins person. So many crappy essays to suffer through 
I wonder if Hades feels like a college apps person
stone rune
what does he even d
is it like the appeals for people to leave hell
no he also has an obligation to get wiped in 25s every so often by his son
short glen
I think the dead can complain about the conditions and each other and he has to meditate that and possibly solve it
stone rune
i think he should hire someone
so that he can stop zagreus only at the end of asphodel
thus making our runs nicely faster
short glen
Imagine having to get a final boss build by aspho though
formal orbit
Tbh, with ap2 and ri, aspho is your build lmao
Maybe missing some dd from athena at ely and styx
latent moon
true tbh
tepid light
yes jazz we get it you like the fast
jagged hamlet
Are you sure about that? 100% certain?
jagged hamlet
I move to rename jazz to "jazz the hedgehog"
void vigil
so that he can stop zagreus only at the end of asphodel
Simply travel back to ye olde early access launch days
Though there were only one or two speedrunners back then and the WR was 9 minutes for all of tartarus and asphodel
tepid light
alma no why are you encouraging jazz
void vigil
She will invent a time machine to become the one who sets the record of 8 minutes in patch 001
tepid light
and then she'll be even more insufferable in the present time
latent moon
lmfao
did beo exist back then
i dont think so
because beo was like a late addition so id assume the game would've ended at ely
(i know nothing about how ea works)
void vigil
it ended at hydra and aspects did not exist yet
brisk trail
hot take: rewards for sturgeon and bass should be swapped
because technically ambrosia is more valuable than titan's blood
because it can do everything titan's blood can do and more
upper wolf
yup, never understood it
I gues it's just bass supremacy
We must be on the planet of the bass
brisk trail
so out of styx you gotta be worse with your fishing even
formal orbit
you always have 50% chance of getting a bass so perfect catch is still better
chrome thicket
old island
i know nothing abt this game, i only have like 120 hrs, but maybe zeus??? idk correct me if im wrong
maybe attack/special boons + jolting foes works rly well, which is smth i should try out
but idk
crucify me if needed
old island
eh
mint coral
maybe attack/special boons + jolting foes works rly well, which is smth i should...
Also you landed perfectly on the answer lmao
old island
ive always wondered if the boon that makes foes take dmg when max chill is reached is good on weapons w quick attack speed, but 80 dmg is prolly not much
mint coral
Jolted makes up the boss dmg
old island
Also you landed perfectly on the answer lmao
yipe at least im learning
is the double striking chance noticeable too?
mint coral
Zeus call is also one of the best dps wise
It helps yeah
Is also bugged so the chance is higher than what it says
old island
oh nice
mint coral
The thing with zeus is that fitting to his character
You just want a million boons from him lmao
mint coral
Additive
old island
thank you very much
mint coral
Zeus call is also one of the best dps wise
Another good thing of zeus call is that is already half of smair
Which is kinda super good 
tepid light
More and more I feel like chill is undervalued
It can really go a long way in making fights more manageable
And Demeter's % values are nothing to scoff at
old island
like ravenous will?
rose roost
aren't dem % values the lowest?
rose roost
ah but crit
mint coral
Yeah dem and athena are ok alternative picks
tepid light
i've mostly got demeter strike in mind
mint coral
Assuming epic
rose roost
what would be the best aspect for dem attk tho?
mint coral
Her kit would work better if you could pom her t2 boons really
formal orbit
something like this on rama attack
Epic/Rare Aphrodite > Artemis (any rarity) > Epic percentage-based non-Aphrodite > Common Aphrodite > Rare/Common percentage-based non-Aphrodite > all flat-damage
tepid light
what would be the best aspect for dem attk tho?
i just cleared pretty comfortably with demeter strike nemesis
not sure it's the best, but it certainly felt good
formal orbit
what would be the best aspect for dem attk tho?
nothing, but if you get replace heroic dem, it can work
rose roost
Her kit would work better if you could pom her t2 boons really
why are her t2 boons harder to get than duos
mint coral
Her kit would work better if you could pom her t2 boons really
With how is in game though she kinda ends up as a support god
mint coral
Rat
rose roost
lol
rose roost
i just cleared pretty comfortably with demeter strike nemesis
not sure it's the...
that's just nem
mint coral
And yeah, meme beams are a thing
tepid light
i just really like chill, especially when it comes to dealing with things like hastened brightspears
mint coral
And if they go well they go well!
But when they don't (and that's easy to happen) is just 
tepid light
i just wish they gave hera a flare for demeter cast
rose roost
yea that's why hunting blades better
rose roost
only beo gets flares
mint coral
Hera has trippy flare
tepid light
only beo gets flares
not true, hera gets some flares
mint coral
just replace all the shots with flares
mint coral
Have you never tried icy flare
rose roost
nope
rose roost
yea but I mean how would u make it better
mint coral
Oh yeah its terrible
But context was hera with icy flare
Which is something vs hera crystal beams
Best of two evils but still
formal orbit
crystal beams is only decent with achilles imo, it can't kill anything with poseidon
mint coral
Yup
Any stygian soul build kinda ends up like that
At least her legendary is peak visuals
And great story-wise
old island
is the chiron bow valid??
mint coral
Depends on your goal
mint coral
If whatever run, yeah sure
Speedruns/high heat past, I think 40? Keep yourself healthy
old island
oke thanks for ur input
rose roost
is the chiron bow valid??
what does that even mean lol
old island
if its good and respectable
rose roost
although jazz is grinding Zeus so that may change
rose roost
does it?
stiff obsidian
one of the most demanding i guess
rose roost
ig not being able to do ME easily hurts it
stiff obsidian
not the most
wary iron
Yeah especially since Zeus isn’t homing ig
stiff obsidian
i thought we're talking about chiron
mint coral
Wait, chiron, effort?
formal orbit
lucifer, zeus and achiles is probably the most demanding aspect in term of practice
guan yu come to mind but mostly basic skill, not from the aspect itself
rose roost
Rama too
formal orbit
yeah rama, forget about it
mint coral
I struggle with optimal hestia too
stiff obsidian
Wait, chiron, effort?
imo it feels very uncomfortable and unintuitive to play so you have to condition yourself to that playstyle
mint coral
Can't press buttons in order and just end up falling into reload > atk lmao
Which works, just, not fast
rose roost
you don't but it's a good dps increase if you do
formal orbit
hestia boss is some of the most frustrating imo, the damage is on the lower side if you don't use special well
stiff obsidian
Just get 3 shards 
mint coral
Me when no clockets hestia dad fight
formal orbit
even with some lunge, attack from chaos, you will probably do about 700-800 max for empowered shot
while rama just casually do about 1k5 for powershot with special
stiff obsidian
I mean you can't fairly compare anything to ramaa damagw
formal orbit
true
rose roost
Rama is a beast when it comes to bossing
brisk trail
is bouldy farming a viable way to get darkness and gems
not that I'm looking forward to doing that tbh
mint coral
Your main source will be defeating bosses in a heat already completed so they drop darkness
But bouldy is an aight extra source
Just use all the charges in styx to benefit of any buff you got
stiff obsidian
for a time i kept resetting to get the 500 darkness offer from the broker
brisk trail
olympians: welcome back to the family hades
magic mirror: no.
(referring to the fact that family favorites does not count hades' call)
wispy sinew
So I 100% the game any games kinda like hades to play in mean time?
brisk trail
So I 100% the game any games kinda like hades to play in mean time?
dead cells
I think
it's definitely not topdown
but
it's a roguelite
wispy sinew
Was just looking online and alot say that and curse of God's or something like that
brisk trail
hades idea: make it so that after you beat asterius and theseus enough times, more shades hold your banner
and if you die to them, less shades hold your banner
and on the top right side of the arena, there are 2 shades that just wouldn't change to your banner and they become the holdouts
and no matter how many times you lose, the original supportive shade always holds your banner
formal orbit
Cancelling reload or hiding behind pillar at dad
Zyru had a guide talking about that cycle
royal sundial
I'm curious if this has been discussed or confirmed before, but the game seems as if it is working against the player. What I mean is whenever I pick a boon/daedalus hammer, I feel as if the game recognizes and then works against those choices. I understand there is a randomness factor at play yet it seems against my favor. Which if confirmed, is brilliant considering the setting/theme of the game. Thoughts or experience with this?
mint coral
What
vale scroll
I'm curious if this has been discussed or confirmed before, but the game seems a...
You're getting bad RNG and being paranoid about it
royal sundial
You're getting bad RNG and being paranoid about it
Highly likely... but consistently? Like nonstop? I feel like I'm in hell playing the game and the idea occurred to me that it may be the point.
royal sundial
it's all rng
ALL?
rose roost
u can control the game to an extent but the boons and hammers u receive are rng
mint coral
Also even if the theme is "no escape"
That's just hades though
Gods aren't that petty
vale scroll
The game tends to offer you core boon slots if you're missing them, that's the only way in which it's "rigged".
(Core boons: Attack/Special/Dash/Cast[/Call])
mint coral
Unless is a trial
royal sundial
u can control the game to an extent but the boons and hammers u receive are rng
What about foes that appear once boons and hammers have been chosen?
rose roost
The game tends to offer you core boon slots if you're missing them, that's the o...
call is not core boon iirc
rose roost
What about foes that appear once boons and hammers have been chosen?
enemies are also random
mint coral
Is a core but not prioritized
rose roost
i c
vale scroll
And you can't get one on initial offer in chamber one
royal sundial
enemies are also random
They always seem to counter my chosen boons.
vale scroll
But you can re-roll into a call boon iirc
mint coral
If you want a call on first boon you need re roll yeah
rose roost
They always seem to counter my chosen boons.
no... the game just doesn't work like that
vale scroll
They always seem to counter my chosen boons.
How do enemies 'counter' boons?
royal sundial
How do enemies 'counter' boons?
Well, let me think of a couple example.
royal sundial
no... the game just doesn't work like that
Maybe it should. That's be sick and representative of the game.
rose roost
that would prolly be very hard to do
mint coral
Dad's security system is kinda just "throw some dudes" at the breach until it works out
rose roost
and pretty annoying for players if every choice u make has a counter
mint coral
Satyrs aren't even dad's doing
rose roost
until the end where he throws himself at u
royal sundial
and pretty annoying for players if every choice u make has a counter
Exactly
rose roost
dunno how that's fun but u do u
mint coral
Thematically it works but screw that gameplay wise lmao
Like reloading revolvers in game
royal sundial
That's why I thought to consult you all because it's brilliant
vale scroll
I mean if I pick Athena dash and the game never gives me a projectile opponent again, I'd still count that as a win.
rose roost
It's "fun" because it is "hellish"
play 64 heat for hellish
royal sundial
But likely I'm paranoid and have "bad luck" lol
vale scroll
But the game difficulty is customizable anyway.
royal sundial
play 64 heat for hellish
I've done that and beaten it that's fine. I'm good at the game I'm just curious and thought it would be a good talk.
rose roost
what are these bad boons you're getting anyways, since the quality of boons depend on the aspect
mint coral
The only real "counter" I can think of is hangover on sneak/dad lmao
royal sundial
But the game difficulty is customizable anyway.
Yeah. I'm doing my best not to turn on god mode.
rose roost
I've done that and beaten it that's fine. I'm good at the game I'm just curious ...
you've beaten 64 heat?
mint coral
Cuz the vanish clears the status
royal sundial
you've beaten 64 heat?
I'm an English teacher not a math magician lol
latent moon
I'm curious if this has been discussed or confirmed before, but the game seems a...
How does the game work against your favor lmao
The only thing I can think of is like the game not giving you the right boon for a duo or whatever
Because enemy types are pretty consistent throughout a run
vale scroll
Yeah I still don't know how enemies can counter you lol
royal sundial
The only thing I can think of is like the game not giving you the right boon for...
Exactly. I'm typing some examples now.
stone rune
latent moon
Not getting the right boon is just straight up rng tho lmao
royal sundial
Yeah I still don't know how enemies can counter you lol
Ok. The main one that comes to mind is when I pick the 900% against shields, do you think any enemies with shields appears next? Nope. What about when I'm moving slower because of a chaos boom, yup our little kittens show up and chase me down.
royal sundial
Not getting the right boon is just straight up rng tho lmao
It's not the boons. It's the enemies that appear AFTER selecting boons.
latent moon
Yeah that's all rng lmao
vale scroll
Yeah it's not a thing
latent moon
You can't really predict enemy types
upper wolf
you'll always have armored enemies lol
vale scroll
I've taken Breaching Cross in chamber one and had a lovely time because of it
upper wolf
even if you literally pick the hammer at the last chamber, dad summons armored dudes
upper wolf
even if you don't get value out of it on the very next chamber it's still not a counter
royal sundial
Let's make it happen for H2 then, call it Hell Mode. Every choice is countered by the game roflmao.
upper wolf
Getting flame wheels after a movement debuff is just unlucky lmao
Getting flame wheels
after a movement debuffis just unlucky lmao
ftfy
mint coral
So true
upper wolf
there's already a hell mode
stone rune
armored flamewheels are baller enemy value though
upper wolf
although it's just 5 heat
latent moon
armored flamewheels are baller enemy value though
I always get unamored tho :(
upper wolf
armored flamewheels are baller enemy value though
can't get value if you're dead 
stone rune
have you tried armoring them
royal sundial
even if you don't get value out of it on the very next chamber it's still not a ...
Hahaha, not just the immediate chamber but a lot of them.
latent moon
I did get armored last night tho and had a pretty good Ely
Unfortunately my tart sucks
And Styx
stone rune
styx?
stiff obsidian
you guys get armoured flame wheels
stone rune
yea
stone rune
anthonyge
latent moon
Kinda pain
royal sundial
you guys get armoured flame wheels
Yeah especially when I pick the wrong boon to fight them lol
latent moon
6:19 or whatever still baller tho
latent moon
Ddash and/or divine strike lmao
royal sundial
Zeuses boons work well, anti armor etc
latent moon
But like they die relatively fast anyways
But like
They don't really counter you they kinda just exist
royal sundial
Ok ok ok. Now I just need everyone's support. Help me cope with having poor rng in game and irl and go with it lmao
latent moon
If it was chosen to counter you then every Ely chamber would have archers if you were on rama
royal sundial
If it was chosen to counter you then every Ely chamber would have archers if you...
Yeah, I get that too. Not every chamber but a lot
latent moon
They're kinda one of the base enemies in ely tho
So like you're gonna see them a lot
stiff obsidian
me when armoured chariots on eris
latent moon
And tbf it's the armored archers that really suck not the normal ones most of the time
stone rune
thats literally what i did in one of my rama 50s
royal sundial
And tbf it's the armored archers that really suck not the normal ones most of th...
I get them and armored chariots when I skip on the 900% against shields.
stone rune
why would you skip breaching cross
latent moon
Why would you skip on that lmao
stone rune
literally the best fists hammer
latent moon
I'd consider long knuckle over it tbf
stiff obsidian
lung knuklg
stone rune
long fakeckle
royal sundial
The fates are not in my favor.
stiff obsidian
i play for 2 hours today so far i have collected 24 clips of dying t furies and lernie
royal sundial
Let's get Hell Mode (what I'm talking about) in H2 Fr Fr
latent moon
i play for 2 hours today so far i have collected 24 clips of dying t furies and ...
Nice
formal orbit
I remember the furies will comment if you use an asepct too much against them
probably meg exclusive
formal orbit
oh yeah, the classic cloner seeker
latent moon
Seeker cloner moment
stiff obsidian
i dot like iframes
stone rune
maybe that's why we keep dying
stiff obsidian
maybe
formal orbit
archer, drakon and witches are the trio of run ender
stiff obsidian
the witch people in ely tho 🫴
stiff obsidian
i mean its only 1 projectile until it explodes
royal sundial
the witch people in ely tho 🫴
When I don't have deflect.
formal orbit
I still take those witches, the enemies value is huge
and they're on the easier side of elysium
is there a sheet for enemies value anyway?
the endless wave of naked brightsword is scary
latent moon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1168571950919073852/c...
No jolted?
Drakons are still cringe but jolted makes them free I think?
stiff obsidian
ive gotten jolted twice in the past 4 days lmfao
latent moon
Sounds about right
latent moon
Based
stiff obsidian
do seeking bowmen actually do anything
wary iron
Only if you let them
north lily
game is so good 😄
wary iron
@north lily there is an epilogue
north lily
Cool I have none. All spent to get titan's bloods
wary iron
Including Olympians
north lily
it will take forever lmao
wary iron
You got as much time as you need
wary iron
it will take forever lmao
It takes not as much as you would think
latent moon
You get a ton of ambrosia from fates prophecies
north lily
You get a ton of ambrosia from fates prophecies
I see those pop sometimes idk what it is
mint coral
I see those pop sometimes idk what it is
Check the table next to the mirror in Zag's room
Prophecies are basically rewards for doing X thing
north lily
Yeah I just did in case, I get nothing for now lol
Fast way for me to get some bloods rn? I'd love to try the excalibur
Need bloods to unlock it
mint coral
Just do heat with your fastest weapon
If you want it rn just kill the furies with all the weapons on heat 1
You can go ahead and do it without finishing 0 heat
north lily
Right on
1st boss should be doable with anything now
It's really a team of 20 persons who made the game?
jagged hamlet
Yeah. Despite being named Supergiant, the studio's kinda smol
jagged hamlet
One person did like three different voices and all the sound stuff
north lily
Yeah lmao I saw that on the credits
jagged hamlet
A lot of the voice actors are just regular old Supergiant regulars LOL
north lily
they deserved their goty for sure
jagged hamlet
Rail more like jackhammer
old island
THE NARRATOR RAN OUT OF TALES TO TELL WHEN I FINISH RUNS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
wary iron
I once tried getting as quick shots as possible, it wasn’t possible anymore to shoot one bullet, it always at least shot 2-3
stiff obsidian
til you can fish while waiting for thans leaving animation to end
latent moon
yeah that's kinda how you get around non-menu than
if you remember to do it
and it isn't aspho because iirc there's a rule against aspho fishing
mint coral
wait what
latent moon
wasn't there a thing about that lmao
stiff obsidian
forbidden fish
latent moon
wait what
okay technically you can fish in aspho as long as you dont exploit it to indefinitely pause the timer
upper wolf
Fishing too powerful, got banned
noble dawn
THE NARRATOR RAN OUT OF TALES TO TELL WHEN I FINISH RUNS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
my previous run also had that
grand lotus
i have 2 more entries to fill out in the codex and both of them are fishing entries smfh
torn phoenix
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1088591737309638746/1168688798947885087...
how much do you need?
void vigil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1088591737309638746/1168688798947885087...
stay strong 😤 I refunded the mirror for the last stretch tbh
now I have to refill the mirror, but since it was already full at one point, I still feel that 100%
last veldt
how much do you need?
I assume it is to get the "Unseen One" rank. However they're gonna be miffed to discover you can only get one rank per run and there are about 60 ranks to get in total. So I wouldn't advise saving it all up.
tepid light
chiron time, yay
always nice to go back to an aspect i'm comfortable with and enjoy
after slaving away at one that i don't
void vigil
I assume it is to get the "Unseen One" rank. However they're gonna be miffed to ...
i simply broke my 145 win streak to die 50 times, getting a rank each time :D
tepid light
ALWAYS THE POTS
I HATE THEM SO MUCH
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY WITH THIS MODIFIER WITHOUT GETTING SURE FOOTING
tepid light
is this your screenshot
i'm gonna go get some pizza and scream about how much i hate pots
formal orbit
yeah, just this morning
whole comet
i wonder if pots would be #1 hated thing in Hades 
upper wolf
They face heavy competition from meow chariots and lava
formal orbit
The thing about pot is the effort it took to get there just to die in the most frustrating way possible
brisk trail
hades lore, is inspired from, but not greek mythology, however, it does offer a glimpse.
As it turns out, greek mythology isn't hard to find, even in real life, as I saw more and more of it from wikipedia links from hades wiki trying to learn about synergies, I realized that ancient greece is literally alabama
north lily
|| seems like there is something hidden in the bush at the top right corner of Persephone's garden 😮 ||
formal orbit
you actually get jolted?
stiff obsidian
true
tepid light
whenever i get jolted it's never purple rarity
only blue or regular
i get purple jolted only when the only zeus boon i have is a zeus cast i picked up for the hell of it that has no place in my build
tepid light
i will throw you into asphodel
i expected this kind of advice from jazz but not from you
tepid light
I don't either, but you don't need it to be 'often' when just one is enough to make you immediately lose a DD
rose roost
turn off hs
tepid light
We've been over this, I'm gonna have to get used to it eventually and as much frustration as it causes me, I still prefer it on principle over things like routine inspection or what have you
rose roost
how much heat you playing at
tepid light
34 atm
rose roost
ri is like the last pact u take
tepid light
ri is like the last pact u take
that's what people say about extreme measures 4 too, but here i am
rose roost
practice fo2 and skip em4 then
tepid light
except i actively like extreme measures 4 and enjoy the extra layer of challenge and content it provides
tepid light
my point in saying all this is that i have a very different approach to heat than most people
and as much as i might whine about the pots
i'm comfortable with my pact
rose roost
ok
tepid light
but for reference:
stiff obsidian
that's what people say about extreme measures 4 too, but here i am
people say that because after a certain point you take pacts to build heats rather than have fun with them
if i am bored and wanted to try a fun heat run i would take em4 too
tepid light
hard labor 5
lasting consequences 1
convenience fee 1
jury summons 3
extreme measures 4
calisthenics program 2
benefits package 2
middle management
forced overtime 1
heightened security
tight deadline 1
formal orbit
I'm really considering ri4 lc3 because td3 is so painful
tepid light
people say that because after a certain point you take pacts to build heats rath...
i mean i feel like those aren't mutually exclusive
not for most of one's time, at least
tepid light
stares at forced overtime 2 and tight deadline 3
stiff obsidian
i thought you liked pacts that make enemies stronger
tepid light
I also said that tight deadline is the exact type of modifier that I don't like
I'll be taking forced overtime 2 before long and I'm fine with that
But tight deadline 3 just sounds like misery
stiff obsidian
its antisynergy with jury summons and cp so yeah
north lily
|| seems like there is something hidden in the bush at the top right corner of P...
|| no one knows about this? I kinda see some stuff glowing ||
tepid light
it’s free
jazz, i think you can predict what my response to this is gonna be
especially given what i've said many times over about my preferences for pacts
formal orbit
she's right tho, it's kinda free
stiff obsidian
says td2 player 
tepid light
counterpoint: i don't like it on principle because it's the purest form of the sort of artificial difficulty modifier that i dislike in games like this
as i have once again said many a time
but jazz being jazz of course will not realize the fact that people have different preferences
rose roost
artificial difficulty is smth like cp
not td, but ig that's subjective for individual
and dc too
formal orbit
cp + js + dc + td is where stuffs get real
tepid light
lasting consequences, underworld customs, routine inspection, and tight deadline all fall under 'artificial difficulty' for me, though i freely admit that i may not be using the term right
modifiers that just directly inflict an unavoidable restriction on the player's capabilities
formal orbit
You weren’t meant to take them all anyway, they’re just there for variety
People can go for an easy 32 for skelly statue
tepid light
Yeah but if you're a dedicated heat runner or just idly increasing heat to keep things fresh (as I do), you will inevitably have to start taking modifiers you hate at some point
formal orbit
I’m already questioning my choice of grinding heat lmao
rose roost
for artificial difficult is devs increase difficulty without much effort so stuff like cp,dc, js
and good difficulty which brings smth new and varied but also makes game harder so smth like em and bp
raw herald
What isnt artificial difficulty
rose roost
em and bp imo
tepid light
Yeah I'm willing to admit that perhaps 'artificial difficulty' isn't the best word for what I'm referring to
But I can't really think of another shorthand for what I described above
stiff obsidian
Artificial Difficulty (also referred to as Fake Difficulty) is a term which is used to describe 'cheap' methods of creating difficulty used in games to increase the likelihood of failure. These methods were especially prevalent in older games where the short length of most games meant that the difficulty needed to be increased to prevent players from completing them too quickly, but they still appear regularly in modern games. Though these methods are not inherently bad and are often necessary for a fun experience, when misused they can create frustration in the player. The common methods of creating Artificial Difficulty can be split into groups: Technical, Design and Communication
Examples
"Damage-Sponge" bosses, who are given overly large amounts of health (relative to the player's damage output) to artificially increase the length of their fight.
Particularly nasty cases are ones where the boss has the ability to heal, whether through an active ability or via passive regeneration.
tepid light
simple as that lol
I meant my specific reasoning for not liking them, but yeah
tepid light
passive regen sucks
Dad's healing is bad enough
If he had passive regen at all times I would tear my hair out
rose roost
atleast u can dmg him while he's healing
tepid light
Yeah I usually dump my summon on him while he's healing
Because he just stands there and eats it
tepid light
Max out the relationship bar with hades
latent moon
is this beo?
rose roost
yup
rose roost
i am lol
rose roost
if you're not speedrunning then take the grasp
so roll?
tepid light
i just feel like it's not the type of thing you pass up
stone rune
if speedrun take the attack
latent moon
yeah the attack
rose roost
kk
tepid light
but if it's speedrun then i'll defer to others' judgement
rose roost
i have mirage
stone rune
ur goal on chaos past tart is generally to not brick with bad curses
save ur rolls for wells
rose roost
dont roll chaos past tart generally
ohk
tepid light
out of curiosity, how many times did you take chaos before you got this
rose roost
thanks trying to get new pb
tepid light
gotcha
rose roost
the curses are long gone
tepid light
i was just wondering how many visits it'd take to get offered an extra dd from chaos
tepid light
is it affected by how many times you've previously visited chaos in the run?
stone rune
no
latent moon
i was just wondering how many visits it'd take to get offered an extra dd from c...
the prereq is just 1
tepid light
so it's entirely possible you could get offered it on your first chaos visit in tartarus
or something
latent moon
no you cant
tepid light
i'm getting mixed answers here
latent moon
the prereq for the legendary is that you need to already have a chaos boon
tepid light
you need a chaos boon
that is what i was asking earlier, and you said no
stone rune
??
it needs 1
but is not affected by more
having more chaos boons does not increase the chance of getting it other than more shots at it
tepid light
having more chaos boons does not increase the chance of getting it other than mo...
but you do need to have some chaos boons already to have the chance at all, yes?
stone rune
yeah
stone rune
you just need 1
tepid light
yes well that's why i was confused by your initial answer
stone rune
the way u worded it implied u meant the chance changing as u get more chaos
tepid light
the way u worded it implied u meant the chance changing as u get more chaos
which technically it does
stone rune
not rlly
tepid light
yes really
tepid light
if i knew about the exact details of the prereq, i wouldn't have asked the first place
rose roost
i think i got my fastest heroes yet
15sec
which is kinda long by speedrun standards
but my pb
tepid light
watch out jazz is about to shame you for being slow
rose roost
no they're not
stone rune
nice
rose roost
anyways how doable is 9:30 with 8:11 heroes?
stone rune
it depends on ur build and ur skill
rose roost
or anything below 9:54
stone rune
it is definitely very doable
rose roost
wait lemme show my build
stone rune
but if u dont know how to play styx and dad
like some seeds are still not cut out to be a 1:19 styxdad
too many rats or something
stone rune
have u rolled well yet
rose roost
only once
stone rune
roll again
stone rune
?
rose roost
i didn't roll here yet
leaden belfry
Some days I feel like skelly
stone rune
yeah
rose roost
also dad keepsake into styx?
jagged hamlet
watch out jazz is about to shame you for being slow
jazz is that strict parent who's secretly, inwardly proud of you and will only let you know of it well into your adulthood
rose roost
ok got a stone and braid
tepid light
jazz is that strict parent who's secretly, inwardly proud of you and will only l...
i could respond to this but i'm pretty sure i'd say something way too mean and messed up
so i'm just going to go cool off
rose roost
yea ig hourglass into styx
rose roost
oh lol ok
stone rune
buy the items and then swap to dad call
rose roost
kk
stone rune
when u swap off hourglass the buff on bought items is kept
theres very little reason in modded (or at all) to hourglass into styx
rose roost
i c
stone rune
cause like
it takes a well in the first or second chamber of styx for the item bought to not last
north lily
I have 16 clears and the story is still going lmao when does it end
leaden belfry
I have 16 clears and the story is still going lmao when does it end
i have 80ish
stone rune
in a speedrun tho
leaden belfry
it still goes on
stone rune
just take dad call
leaden belfry
but I skip it all anyway
upper wolf
I imagine in speedrun there are moments where you'd take zeus/dio ?
stone rune
yeah
tepid light
it still goes on
aren't you the one who talked about not understanding the story even after doing everything and completing the epilogue
leaden belfry
aren't you the one who talked about not understanding the story even after doing...
yes
stone rune
for the vast majority of runs
upper wolf
oh yeah
leaden belfry
But I just play for clears
tepid light
then why did you remark about not understanding the story in the first place if you skipped everything
leaden belfry
I was feeling curiours
tepid light
uh huh
final plover
what's the best/easiest way to finish up all the god prophecies? Do you just keep playing and at some point finish them all or is there a good way to force them?
mint coral
Just gotta know mechanics of pre requisites/when to re roll really
Dark foresight ofc also helps
final plover
I got max dark foresight but only got 1 reroll at the moment so Im still working on getting more
static shoal
personally i modded the game to get the fishing prophecy
perfect catches feel impossible
drowsy linden
i just go off of pure reaction, and count to 2 after each bob
some people just listen, or cover up the bobber and look at the flash
desert tundra
yeah if you react to the flash of when it fully goes down instead sound queue then 9/10 times i hit it
250ms is the average human reaction time and perfect catches are around 350ms so i'd say its reasonable
drowsy linden
bruh im in asph and only have zap attack or discharge
rip epic discharge because uc
why cant you purge vintage
now im stuck with a single zap attack in asph
static shoal
bruh im in asph and only have zap attack or discharge
rip epic discharge because...
UC is literally why i'm considering not doing 32 heat runs
and instead do 30 heat runs
stone rune
dawg
drowsy linden
you can just take something else
mint coral
UC is chill
static shoal
you can just take something else<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
not really 😭 everything else left is even worse
drowsy linden
js hater alert
static shoal
nah m8 i play on js3 td2
drowsy linden
fo hater alert
static shoal
nope, always play on fo2
drowsy linden
em?
static shoal
3
this is my pact from the zeus shield run
i would go td2 and dc0 on any other weapon
static shoal
but lc4 hl5 fo2 js3 bp2 is too hard lol
drowsy linden
then just dont do js3
and fo2
i do lc4 and hl5 constantly, and only die to furies, lernie, and absolute garbage dad runs
static shoal
i do lc4 and hl5 constantly, and only die to furies, lernie, and absolute garbag...
fo2 too?
static shoal
ok but how do you avoid uc1?
drowsy linden
probably did
static shoal
you can just take something else<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
"what else do i take 
" was my point
drowsy linden
take hl or lc
slow pivot
wary iron
It’s in the name
wary iron
That I do not know
But you might wanna ask that in the modding discord
In case you didn’t know
stone rune
ok bubbo
desert tundra
200 hrs in this game and it's the first time I've gotten a duo boon on the first floor
didn't even know luck like that could happen lmao
i dont even have GL on
latent moon
gaming
brisk trail
Dear developer, thank you for making a Mac client. Runs beautifully on my Macbook Air M2.
torpid zenith
I’m not sure if this is the right place to talk about it but I just saw a mobile game heavily “inspired” by Hades
Like the art style, boss fights, gameplay and chatboxes and whatnot were are clearly copying the game
I’d like to send in photos to show it but I can’t xd
It even a rogue like apparently
Ui is way too similar
Games name is Myth: Gods of Asgard
stiff obsidian
cant believe supergiant would copy a mobile game
tepid light
I’m not sure if this is the right place to talk about it but I just saw a mobile...
A quick google search informs me that Supergiant has been aware of this ever since the game's initial release in 2021. Not sure what actions (if any) have been taken since then, though.
formal orbit
not every company has the resources or interests to pursue lawsuit
torpid zenith
I’m not super into hades as I used to be but I’m only aware of this now
formal orbit
it's a time and money consuming process after all
torpid zenith
Thought I’d share anyways
torpid zenith
not every company has the resources or interests to pursue lawsuit
I’m aware of that xd
formal orbit
there're probably hollow knight knock off somewhere out there
tepid light
And as certain previous cases (e.g. Moonton vs Tencent/Riot) have taught me, even in the optimal case where you win the suit, there's not a lot you can do to stop them from continuing to copycat you
torpid zenith
Just crazy to me that things like this just happens sometimes, especially the last thing I thought a mobile game would copy off of is hades honestly
formal orbit
blizzard sue valve for dota 2 so valve just change a lot of thing to dodge that
torpid zenith
And as certain previous cases (e.g. Moonton vs Tencent/Riot) have taught me, eve...
I actually know about it, I play said knock off, I’ll say it’s a lot different than it was before but can’t say the same for the skins and characters still
tepid light
I actually know about it, I play said knock off, I’ll say it’s a lot different t...
Even if I was a mobile gamer I wouldn't ever be able to respect or take mobile legends seriously
Because even if they're not the exact same game in terms of mechanics/gameplay, the copying of characters and skins and so forth is so blatant and shameless
Pretty much exactly what Gods of Asgard is doing with Hades
torpid zenith
Tbh games like these are probably the only things people who can’t afford for pcs or other stuff like PlayStation and Xbox, I hate them but also get why people play them anyways
I can only pray thsi game evolves into its own thing and distances itself from being a Hades copy
tepid light
Honestly, I highly doubt they will
Why would they need to when just being a Hades clone already makes them so much money
torpid zenith
Just being hopeful, not saying they will
formal orbit
I watched the first 2 min of that video
They even have asterius at home
With the slam and charge lmao
torpid zenith
It feels so weird watching it
tepid light
I can just imagine some guy coming across this game having never seen nor heard about Hades, and praising this game as an amazing and original creation
And then getting flattened by people who know about Hades
torpid zenith
Poor soul
Well at least it might incline them to get hades lol
Watching the gameplay just feels really lacking still and clunky?
stiff obsidian
I can just imagine some guy coming across this game having never seen nor heard ...
hades is clearly the copy
torpid zenith
Lol
The more I think about a mobile version of hades, it doesn’t sound bad but a lot of mechanics and graphics would have to be sacrificed probably
Then again the switch exists
torpid zenith
Yeah, it’s def not but I’m just imagining the switch version just on the phone
Kinda sucks in some aspects but still better than nothing
brisk trail
zag just commited lernie tax evasion
brisk trail
I love how after a while of doing trials zag is just like: not sorry
formal orbit
Is acorn bugged with the stone at dad fight
I got damaged by it even tho I still had acorn charge left
stiff obsidian
u mean the headslam cone thing
stiff obsidian
🔺
🗿
mint coral
I got damaged by it even tho I still had acorn charge left
It happened on angel's 64 heat clear
Yeah its known
latent moon
It also might have to do with Zeus shield iirc
rose roost
oh mah gah breakpoints i know nothing abt them
latent moon
that 1 extra damage can definitely help totally
brisk trail
I'm very new to the game, loving it so far. Yes, I can google, but I only have a few questions -- 1) Will I ever get health potions, if not, how do I heal best? 2) Does this game have the equivalent of 'biomes' like dead cells? I know it's roguelite, so you start at the beginning. 3) Are the layouts (maps and meta maps) fixed or procedural?
latent moon
health potions, no
you can heal through 1 perk in the mirror and fountains. centaur hearts give you +25 max hp so that's kinda healing
yes to biomes
but each biome always has random room layouts, you cant really choose which one you get
enemy types are always the same for each biome tho
stiff obsidian
does the midbiome free room count as a chamber for enshrouded?
raw herald
Yeah
stiff obsidian
free curse
brisk trail
enemy types are always the same for each biome tho
So like with dead cells there's a metamap of guaranteed paths to biomes -- this is more random?
I'm merely comparing to Dead Cells to understand the process here
mint coral
There's always the same 4 biomes
brisk trail
How many rooms per biome? Wondering how I can map out my progress
asking simple questions (not googling) to avoid spoiling the game for myself
I'll rephrase -- as I play, how do I see the progress I've made - like a map or something that tells me how many biomes / areas I have left?
stone rune
How many rooms per biome? Wondering how I can map out my progress
so
12 chambers before endshop in tart
6 chambers before endshop in aspho
8 chambers before endshop in ely
upper wolf
asking simple questions (not googling) to avoid spoiling the game for myself
I feel like you're more likely to get spoilers here than on google
upper wolf
You should probably go to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers
hardy crown
I just unmasked the first of 3 statues.
What’s next once statues are completed?
And what’s under the next two statues?
mint coral
The best weapons in game
hardy crown
Oh thanks. I certainly appreciate not being trolled. Thanks for the information.
stone rune
hardy crown
If only they were skelly statues I might have kept playing. Alas, I’m okay with passing up on weapons. I’ll just delete the game and wait for the sequel.
upper wolf
technically the statues are not really tied to different completion goals too much, so what's left depends on your save
It can be gathering all bounties, getting Unseen One rank, finishing the codex, getting all prophecies
desert tundra
https://ibb.co/qxb18LZ
I got a big roll on that before when doing a Zag spear special build and Bouldy gave me +3% special DMG 😱
Bouldy the goat
upper wolf
hell, there's an argument to be done that you still have getting all hypnos dialogue left, and all dialogue overall too
personally, at that point I feel the most fun is trying to get into speedrunning or clearing high heat (32+)
desert tundra
I've just been trying to get 100% of everything since I haven't yet
Including the badges you can buy at the house shop and medals in Hades' bedroom
I forgot the names for them
upper wolf
First time playing again in like 10 days (found an old computer)
honestly went pretty well, all things considered
died in asphodel
as one does
prooobably last chamber too ? I wasn't counting
already had heart rend and deadly reversal though, so a bit sad
also I got a vision of ecstasy : dem fist, divine attack to open deadly reversel, get deadly reversal, then get an exchange for dio/zeus attack
it didn't happen. But hey, I had dio in my pool
upper wolf
GG !
upper wolf
wait it doesn't ? weird
stone rune
it also gets dash strike bonuses
last veldt
I think so. Or perhaps they just aren't interruptable.
grand lotus
is there an official hades wiki site or do most people just use fandom
i dont wanna use fandom bc it sucks so im just wondering
brisk trail
hi
is there a project to make a hades wiki outside of fandom
just, an actually good wiki
grand lotus
i hope so lol
brisk trail
made with datamining crawler programs
since hades data is not obsfucated
should I ask the modding wiki if they would like to do it
or should I make a server and invite those guys
grand lotus
idk if thats really up to me haha
but it would be nice to have an actual hades wiki with in depth entries
brisk trail
nah, I want to gather some high frequency users of this server and hopefully make a good hades wiki
but that'll have to wait until I get to winter vacation I guess
I would be glad to be the one that finally rids the world of the hideous and inexplicable existence of the current hades wiki by supplanting it with a good one
or if someone else beats me to it it'll still be good for the community as a whole
upper wolf
Agree, I have no experience in wikis but feel free to call me up if needed
brisk trail
alright
I'll remember to contact you guys when I finally get on break 2 months later, and we can fix this mess
anyways, do you guys know what happens when you take ambrosia delight at eurydice but your boon is already at heroic because of boon replacement shenanigans
also you only have 2 or less boons
do you get legendary?
formal orbit
nothing actually
I once got to eurydice with epic aphro strike and premium vintage
only aphro strike get upgraded
stiff obsidian
how is that an upgrade
brisk trail
the catch is, the dds are counted as full health
stiff obsidian
oh
brisk trail
like, if you have 100 health and 3 dds, and you take it, boom, instantly you're a 400 health tonk
it should be a legendary though
it does remove the whole damage overflow, but hey
it's really good
stiff obsidian
imagine bricking into it in heat 🗿
brisk trail
and if it's a legendary, and you take it in styx when you already have 400 health because you didn't get the gods you want
then, hello 1600 max health absolute tank
you could literally get hit by charon 30 times and still be sitting on 100 health
yeah thinking about it it's a little overpowered
maybe reduce that to 75%
mint coral
do you get legendary?
Legendaries are their own unique thing, so that wouldn't made sense anyways
royal sundial
What is Theseus saying during the battle, specifically when his health is lower? Is it, "BULL HORN!"
mint coral
Bull horn is the team attack with asterius
Asterius rams into his shield and creates a shockwave
royal sundial
Asterius rams into his shield and creates a shockwave
Sick. Thank you for that. I guess at that phase of the fight I'm too distracted dodging the Olympian's attack; I hadn't noticed the animation in the sequence. It is epic, to be counted among the "Perfect!" and "Tiger Punch" audio samples.
BULL HORN!
sour fog
Asterius rams into his shield and creates a shockwave
Isn't Bull horn the one where he throws Theseus?
mint coral
Sick. Thank you for that. I guess at that phase of the fight I'm too distracted ...
Got it wrong
Bullhorn is when Asterius yeet Theseus towards you
Shockwave should be delta strike
royal sundial
nbd
desert tundra
like, if you have 100 health and 3 dds, and you take it, boom, instantly you're ...
Gigachad Arthur build 
upper wolf
tbh I don't see why I'd take it over the athena boon
desert tundra
The legendary???
upper wolf
nah the more health on DD one
and replenish one
but I kinda forgot DD are only 50% heal, 60-68% with Last Stand
stiff obsidian
for hunting blades if u get it before ares keepsake used to u equip it for legendary or get pos for mirage
stone rune
for hunting blades if u get it before ares keepsake used to u equip it for legen...
vicious scamcycle sucks
do u mean getting it in tart