h1-discussion

[noble quarry]

so what bow you liked most?

[last veldt]

Chiron plus Dio is a super safe combo for early clears, but it gets dull.

[raw charm]

Oh wow really?

[last veldt]

I like the Hestia Rail bow the most

[raw charm]

My current strategy is to just run circles around them

[last veldt]

Hera bow can be bonkers

[mint coral]

Yup, can also keep your ho above 0 while reducing your enemies hp

[noble quarry]

oh over eris

[mint coral]

If the screen gets too full of projectiles, bow special is surprisingly good at clearing them

[last veldt]

I always forget to charge when using Eris.

Prefer one shot kills with Hestia

[noble quarry]

the secret aspect right yeah seemed fun

[mint coral]

Hera is the cast one

Not hidden

[noble quarry]

oh

[last veldt]

No, secret bow aspect is ||Rama||, which is also bonkers good

[mint coral]

If the name of the aspect is from a greek god is never the hidden one

[last veldt]

All non default bow aspects are good

[noble quarry]

if i have 5 in every weapon once im between rama and hera to do next

[mint coral]

Zag bow is better than chiron, really

[noble quarry]

already have 5 in chiron

[last veldt]

If you are sticking with bow, probably Hera for variety. Hera is good straight away.

Secret bow is more technical and wants more blood to really shine. Hera is good out the gate

[noble quarry]

i haveall the non hidden aspects unlocked so can use them atleast

[last veldt]

Ah okay

Then you can already see if you like Hera

[noble quarry]

likely putting my remaining blood in zeus shield then farm some more blood for other weapons aspects

after that think i go fuly bow

[last veldt]

Yeah, variety is good.

Secret shield will make you happy I think.

Eris rail is good with a low blood investment too

[noble quarry]

the bomb buff one right got that on 5 already

[raw charm]

I got the most OP build ever I got the doom thing from ares where you special impends doom and upgraded it it does 180 dmg the doom + i put the thing that boosts ur doom by 80 percent so around 300 dmg from 1 special arrow

[last veldt]

It's mainly the technicality of it I was pointing out. If you aren't using it well it's not better than Hera (which is super easy to use).

[fading rune]

charon fight is literally harder than hades

[wary iron]

Yea

[stiff obsidian]

ares max call is actually quite nice

[wary iron]

Very, I think it also basically finishes off Theseus second phase, since he just stands around, while also giving you the perfect timing for some invincibility

Also very useful during hades lasers

[stiff obsidian]

i should give it a try once

[upper wolf]

It's kinda low damage, Athena tends to be better

[brisk trail]

how do I get to call the hydra lernie

[mint coral]

just keep defeating the hydra

it'll happen on its own

[wintry pecan]

hows everyone

[jagged hamlet]

I got a blood draw today. Hopefully Zagreus approves 👍

[drowsy linden]

youre learning to use bloodstones 👀

[wintry pecan]

oooh bro learnin to use bloodstones irl

[drowsy linden]

"why is he dying of blood loss?"
"he was doing a hades reference"

[wintry pecan]

😂

[noble quarry]

had a pretty good run with shield really enjoying the 25% gauge cap but filling autmotically ability

had artemis call wonder is zeus call would have been better but still nice damage from that

[formal orbit]

Zeus call + smair can carry a run by itself

Artemis call with smair is just occasionally true shot

https://youtu.be/TuUvYFhz8bg?si=hgpIZqTUY891sNRn

[stiff obsidian]

it actually charges faster than other calls with smair

[tepid light]

Oh smouldering air, some day I'll bite the bullet and take you

[formal orbit]

Wait, really? How?

[stiff obsidian]

idk if it is actually faster but because it has 5 of the mini charge things

the 25% cap goes a bit further than the first mini charge

so u can use the call as soon as it hits the first charge, not the whole 25% gauge

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1166290482083659836/image.png?ex=6549f3a7&is=65377ea7&hm=8766c87cd2e3e0fb67d6d4c3bdeb6f6fc5209791d0f16b3fdb627c960f1bfd35&

idk if this is purely visual or actually changes anything

[formal orbit]

I just check, artemis small call only need 20% instead of 25%

But small arty call is sad

[stiff obsidian]

its felt nice ngl

smair bonus of panic iframes

i think it does more total damage than full call in the same time

[formal orbit]

I’m bad with call iframe so i would rather smair with something that actually do damage

[tepid light]

don't people usually take zeus or dionysus call with smouldering air

i personally have yet to do much with smouldering air just because two of my favorite calls get shafted by it, and it just makes things a bit too hectic for me in terms of gameplay

[formal orbit]

Many aspects use aphro attack, zeus is a great call so smair just come naturally into your build

It’s not something you aim for but it can trivialize the game

[stiff obsidian]

idk wht to do in the game anymore everything is either too hard or too easy

[tepid light]

em4

[formal orbit]

That is the too hard category

[stiff obsidian]

its actually been a bit fun tho

em4

ill do an em4 run now

[tepid light]

confession time, i'm rather proud of myself and what i do with em4 since a lot of players who have much more experience than me either never do em4 because it's 'too hard' or save it for very high heat

[stiff obsidian]

playing em4 regularly pretty based

[tepid light]

iirc extreme measures was one of the pacts i started maxing first in general

and i just never turned it off

[open hull]

em4 max lasting consequences base guan yu

👍

[tepid light]

i too enjoy violating the geneva convention via video games

[formal orbit]

You can strafe a medic in civ 6 with bomber

Pretty sure that’s a geneva convention violation

[tepid light]

i'd rather be that medic than have to play what elicxit suggested

[short glen]

Do it

For the meme

[tepid light]

memes are supposed to be funny

that would just be pain

and before you ask, no, i'm not a masochist

[short glen]

Why would I ask that?

[tepid light]

something something "pain is good"

[noble quarry]

dose out the pain for some titan blood

[open hull]

imma do it

[tepid light]

god save your soul

[open hull]

whats a good build for it

also

im doing it with no stubborn

[noble quarry]

anybody a favorite track from the hades ost?

[formal orbit]

em4 without any other pact is fine

probably just standing in a corner spamming spin still work

[open hull]

im doing well

what does em do for heros and hades

[mint coral]

You'll see

[open hull]

yoooo

thats so cool

nope

its isnt anymore

i killed one

I DIDIT

STYX TIME

[upper wolf]

Oooh,you're not at hades yet ?

Dayum

Rest in peace

[open hull]

what

is it bad

its only two phases

[stiff obsidian]

sure

[open hull]

what

no

what does he do

well

take 2

[upper wolf]

You'll see

Don't blink

[formal orbit]

funny thing is, when I first beat him, I lowkey expected a phase 3

because of haelian impossible 64 video

[autumn rose]

good thing he doesn't have 3 phases at 64 heat

[noble quarry]

i really suck at him most of the time he gets to 2 dead defiances for me

[upper wolf]

Dad be strong

Which I love tbh

Epic fight

[vale scroll]

I've managed to beat EM4 a few times when I was wrapping up my bounties for my favorite weapons, but I keep FO2 on (just used to the timings by now) and I kinda am torn because I want to practice EM4 but I don't want to turn off FO2 and mess up my timings 💀

I could always just git gud and keep losing at EM4 FO2 until I don't ... but my pretty winstreak 😭

EM4 just feels so RNG dependent sometimes ... freaking butterballs

[void vigil]

🧈 🎱

[vale scroll]

iirc the few times I did it was with a busted ME build, Low Tol+Nausea Chiron (somehow) and ... Eris Rail

no idea how I'd ever do it with a "normal" fists build or something

[raw charm]

is lightning strike good for bow

[rose roost]

artemis and aphro are better

[tepid light]

Took me a moment to get it

[noble quarry]

depends on bow i think

[rose roost]

yea

but usually those 2 are best

[tepid light]

There's no bow that benefits from having a flat damage increase on strike than a % one, is there?

[noble quarry]

i meant diyo is good on certain bow

[tepid light]

As I understand it, it's very hard to go wrong with aphrodite or artemis attack on any bow

[noble quarry]

instead of those 2

[tepid light]

dionysus strike?

[rose roost]

only on chiron and it's good on special not attk

[noble quarry]

yes

[tepid light]

^ was about to say

I was talking specifically about the strike

[noble quarry]

i mostly run diyo special and apho atk

on chirion

[tepid light]

and now that we've mentioned chiron i'm just waiting for a certain person to swoop in and start criticizing it

but yeah there's definitely no bow that benefits from dionysus strike

[noble quarry]

in general is his normal used much

[tepid light]

on some weapons it's more viable

fists, rail, sword

i bet there's some weird hades challenge category where you have to reverse it and use flat damage with slow weapons and % damage with fast weapons

some guy running around with zeus attack and aphrodite special on rama

[noble quarry]

so gun shield spear?

[mint coral]

Fists too

Shield/spear depends but most of the time is % boons

[noble quarry]

fair what would you put on spear though curious dont use it much myself

[tepid light]

As Noob said, you want % boons on spear, but it's pretty flexible from there

Other than poseidon strike, which just generally sucks in most any scenario

[mint coral]

Artemis can work well with achilles/hades aspects

Thanks to the big dmg boost

[open hull]

what does second phase hades em4 do

[noble quarry]

Fair

Artemis atk and apho special might be fun on that

[wary iron]

Does it still count as a dash only, if you have attack/special boons, but don’t use them/ have the key binds for them disabled?

[open hull]

mf

theres a third phase

[wary iron]

Good, thank you

[mint coral]

If you mean hades aspect you want exploding launcher and charged skewer

[open hull]

guan yu aint so bad

[stiff obsidian]

how to dash strike with sword

i literally cannot

[mint coral]

Dash then press attack

[stiff obsidian]

i think ill just do world splitter for nemesis

[tepid light]

are ya winnin son

[open hull]

yk sometimes backing away is wining

👍

i am a walking skill issue

[tepid light]

dad turned you inside out, didn't he

[tepid light]

ah yes, aka "weird arthur"

[open hull]

yes

it was easy at first

then

i couldnt see

[wintry pecan]

when you fight hades for the first time on em4 it shocks you because you cant see xD

[tepid light]

It's especially hard when the pots do 150 damage to you if you step in them

[wintry pecan]

oh yeah

what really tripped me up was the first time i did em4 was the darkness but also it was the first time hades summoned cerberus

and i died to the cerberus summon

[tepid light]

Yeah cerberus summon is brutal

Especially if you bump into cerberus himself as he's running

[stone rune]

for cerberus summon

just run to

does anyone have a pic of the arena

[tepid light]

I usually run into the lower right corner of the arena and hug the wall

It doesn't always work but it usually does

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1166396295372623942/image.png?ex=654a5633&is=6537e133&hm=3514d07da3ce1e90870a84ce360d5d8fa2eba3cfbfc525b8a907daf40d7ae640&

ignore whatever the person in this pic is doing

[tepid light]

Yep that's what I do as well

[wintry pecan]

ok thanks

[upper wolf]

Been a while since I did a EM4 fight but I think I did this too

[tepid light]

I don't know why that spot works, but it does

[wintry pecan]

ill let u know how it goes

[wary iron]

I’m convinced now, that dash only is the safest method of clearing a run

Even tho not the quickest, it most certainly involves less damage taken

[formal orbit]

you can try to pause buffer the ceberus summon, something like this https://youtu.be/0mo-kXjasZs?si=2HO1-SvpQ91uIN46&t=1723

even tho she did get hit but that's the idea

or you can just block it with shield like this

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13w411F7fQ/?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0

30:32

[jagged hamlet]

I've enjoyed Out of Tartarus and The Painful Way. I'm sure I like others, but I can't match their titles at the moment

[void vigil]

river of flame is awesome

[jagged hamlet]

no u

[formal orbit]

the unseen ones is top of the chart in term of awesomeness imo

if only em4 isn't so hard

[upper wolf]

Nah, I love how hard it is

I don't want the buffed up final boss of the game, who is in universe incredibly strong, to be a pushover

I want my epic fights dammit

Sorry, blood and darkness

We should find a shorthand for that swear

Like bad

Or bland

[stiff obsidian]

if i hold attack and dash with flurry bow do i not get the dash iframes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1166445955663548457/image.png?ex=654a8473&is=65380f73&hm=f7718cf01a274a321d825d5bbc702da320c46b886e87298a875622a257513fb9&

maim doing 500 damage

[upper wolf]

~~gilga op ??? ~~

[stiff obsidian]

happens after you switch weapon after maiming

[final plover]

So I just beat the game for first time and after beat by first heat 1 run with fists running ares/athena for merciful end build and it was really strong and fun. Should I focus on beating higher and higher heats with my best weapon first and then go back to beat all the heats with other weapons later or focus on beating 1 heat with all weapons then moving on to 2nd heat etc? or is it purely preference and both are equal?

[stiff obsidian]

purely preference

[final plover]

cool thanks!

any recommendations for easier pacts to start with? First one I used was the one that gives people a blue heart and then after beating that I did the 2nd lvl for it

[stone rune]

check pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[final plover]

thanks!

[stiff obsidian]

i think it does spoil the hidden aspects though

[final plover]

hidden aspects of the weapons or are there hidden aspects with regard to the pacts?

[stiff obsidian]

the hidden weapon aspects

[final plover]

ah that's okay with me thanks for the heads up though

[stiff obsidian]

[unkempt sparrow]

i'm currently trying to play hades, but it says "unable to sync". has this happend to you guys and if so how do you fix it?

[mint hatch]

Unable to sync what? Do you have an old cloud save?

[unkempt sparrow]

huh

i restarded my pc like 2-3 times and it works now

[upper wolf]

A mystery for the ages

[final plover]

I'm a bit confused on the bounties for heat. So if I beat the first 3 bosses with heat 3 but fail the final boss. I now only get darkness for the first 3 bosses with that weapon and get the actual reward for beating final boss. Can I move to heat 4(without beating final boss for heat 3) to get rewards for first 3 bosses again for first time or do I have to beat the final boss of heat 3 before I can collect first 3 rewards for a higher heat?

ahh ok that makes sense thanks

[brisk trail]

What is an erebus gate?

I have 5 diamonds idk if I should spend them on that or what?

[mint coral]

Hitless combat for better rewards

Need heat to enter (5 for tart gates, 10 for aspho, 15 for ely)

The rewards work like styx miniboss where is dou le of normal

So 200 coins/+50hp/better rarity on boons/+2 lvls on poms

Get hit and you receive

[brisk trail]

Oh

Ok so I don’t need that yet

Also how many successful escapes do I need to finish the game?

[latent moon]

for the main story, 10

[brisk trail]

Thanks

So can I have more than one duo boon?

[latent moon]

yes

[brisk trail]

Oh ok :)

[latent moon]

some duos might not work with each other tho

[brisk trail]

I was going for heart rend but I got smoldering air instead

[latent moon]

like you can't have both curse of drowning and mirage shot

[brisk trail]

Should I sell smoldering air then? Cause I really want heart rend

[mint coral]

Those don't block each other

[brisk trail]

Ok cool I’ll keep it

[mint coral]

If they do something similar chances are they block each other

[latent moon]

if you sell it you might see it again lmao

[mint coral]

See most cast duos

[brisk trail]

Oh I was gonna sell both smoldering air and Zeus’s aid

[mint coral]

Actually isn't only cast duos that block others

Smair + zeus call can win the run on its own

[latent moon]

honestly probably lmao

[formal orbit]

TIL Premium Vintage can not be upgrade by Eurydice

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/894935867003666512/1166570868458127461/image.png?ex=654af8c8&is=653883c8&hm=a2669f67b42ac29e175fc2eb1b051ac5e738847f751fa52d6bba632c3b79b454&=&width=1180&height=662

[jagged hamlet]

The least she could do is slap on a sticker with an older year smh

[stone rune]

curse of longing ME?

no u can have both

[dark birch]

.

@brisk trail

yoo

I didn’t know you played

[rocky kiln]

What is the best weapon for you ?

[stiff obsidian]

Rail

[noble quarry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069822685531623424/1166686489942429736/20231025_123501.jpg?ex=654b6477&is=6538ef77&hm=28dba82a7bf8fcf8b70b4504a5948763266d092c501293dbd82559841a677d59&=&width=1400&height=662

maybe i should pick some more hades merch it looks good

[mint coral]

Nice shovel knight amiibos

[noble quarry]

thanks

i think im getting that final nendoroid of hades not sure if i should get a plush too or not

[rocky kiln]

Good collection

[brisk trail]

is vanquisher's keep worth snagging

i beat hades 3 times now

currently have fishing rod, admin access, better table, key to dice thing

and 5 diamonds

only have like, 40 gemstones rn

i don't have erebus gate though

[strong steppe]

Is this the Hades vinyl? O_o

[last veldt]

Vanquishers keep is a good way to get gems faster, but it's only worth it if you are unlocking stuff in the house (a lot of which are cosmetic). Early on there might be better things to spend a few diamonds on.

The fishing rod is also a fairly good way to get more gems.

[void vigil]

its the normal soundtrack disc

[noble quarry]

nope this is the hades cd soundtrack dont have a lp player

[noble quarry]

thanks anything you think i should add?

[rocky kiln]

Do know celest ?

You Can add a celest figurine or an amibo

[noble quarry]

eh

im not liking celeste ediiton too much also doesnt have a amiibo

kinda looking more at hades merch

am adding that final nendroid im just not sure if i should get that mat or skelly

[jagged hamlet]

I vote Meg nendroid so you can have the friend trio!

[strong steppe]

"Friend" krkr

Next month for Christmas I think I will buy some Hades related stuffs ~

[noble quarry]

yeah decided just to get that one

also what is skill priority with zeus skill

static discharge, double strike, high voltage

[mint coral]

Discharge

[jagged hamlet]

They're the Harry, Ron, and Hermoine of Hades! (Zag is Ron)

[short glen]

Do they also fund transphobia?

Zag doesn't strike me as that kind of person

[jagged hamlet]

Uh what meow?

Kinda went a bit far

[void vigil]

while its a well known fact that JKR is transphobic, i dont think this is the channel to discuss it, you can do so in #off-topic-discussion but keep it civil

[upper wolf]

They were roommates

[strong steppe]

Zagreus and Thanatos are just the whip training partners of Megaera

[jagged hamlet]

Do you ever think she's just like "Dance, monkey! Dance!" while whipping at their feet except Thanatos just floats out of harm's way while Zag has to scurry all on his lonesome?

[upper wolf]

Maybe the whip burns up when hitting zag's feet

[jagged hamlet]

I wonder how he sleeps on a bed when his feet are so fiery

[upper wolf]

Maybe that's why he doesn't sleep often

[quasi berry]

what is actually the reason that hades loads nearly every time I play some 680b patch?

[desert tundra]

im assuming dio leg and dio dem duo boon still synergize since the duo boon still says Festive Fog

hopefully

[upper wolf]

Yeah

You can also add scintillating feast for funsies

[desert tundra]

very cool ty

[north adder]

bro please I cannot make this decision someone help

I got an epic divine strike on my attack rn

but got an option for a heroic drunken strike

[stone rune]

what weapon

[north adder]

the gun

I always forget its name

[stone rune]

definitely take it

[mint coral]

is this with an aspect

[stone rune]

% attack sucks on rail

[north adder]

yes the 4th aspect the reload one

empowerement

[stone rune]

oh wait

no

don't take it then

[mint coral]

hestia?

[north adder]

yes maxed out

[mint coral]

yeah don't swap

[stone rune]

then yeah never take that

that's like

30 damage per shot

epic divine strike is like

140

[north adder]

alr so no hangover?

[stone rune]

no

[north adder]

it has a good secondary option but this heroic is so juicy

[jagged hamlet]

Def no hangover

[north adder]

2nd opotion is drunken strike for special epic

[stone rune]

it's the opposite of juicy

it is juiceless

[north adder]

drunken flourish*

[north adder]

sadge

[stone rune]

dont take drunken flourish either

special hits once every 1.5 seconds

you physically cannot hit the hangover limit

[north adder]

I got a common drunken dash

should I just reroll

[stone rune]

yeah

[north adder]

positive outlook

meh

fak it

[stone rune]

better than everything on the other screen

[north adder]

oh dope I unlocked dionysus' thingy

is hunter dash nice on the gun? I dont think it is

[stone rune]

on hestia it's good

on the other 2 its awful

unless ur on zagrail with spread fire then its ok

[north adder]

is a boon better if its in a skull encounter?

[stone rune]

if its a miniboss yes it will have increased rarity

[upper wolf]

Isn't "increased rarity" just about RNG ? Like, you can still get 3 commons out of a boss room ?

[last veldt]

Afaik, yes, but it's really unlikely.

[mint coral]

tart miniboss nah

is guaranteed rare

the rest can be really funny and do that tho

[upper wolf]

Guaranteed at least one rare or all 3 being rare ?

[mint coral]

I think yarn/refreshing nectar work like tart too

[upper wolf]

Yarn/nectar gives epic, no ?... Or am I imagining things again despite the fact I definitely had tested that

[mint coral]

guaranteed all 3 rare pretty sure

those 2 do increase epic chance also

and duos/legendaries

[upper wolf]

Oh

Well I guess I just assumed and never noticed

[dark hollow]

Anyone got any tips for clearing fresh file runs?

Have done 32 heat with multiple weapons at this point but for the life of me I cannot get through fresh file. Furthest I've gotten is the heroes fight and I die soon after

[jagged hamlet]

It seems like Merciful End is the go-to

[vale scroll]

I think it's just "pray for ME" sadly 😬

[dark hollow]

Awww damn, yeah that makes sense

[latent moon]

apart from "get ME lmao", there's a fresh file guide in the speedrun compendium on the speedrun website

[mint coral]

hangover/hunting blades coouuuld probably do it? but just go for ME lol

killing things faster gud

[latent moon]

i mean they both work yeah

just depends how long you want the run to take lmao

you're already guaranteed ddash at the start so that helps a lot

[dark hollow]

Oh interesting! I'll check that out then

[dark hollow]

Hunting blades is good but it sounds kinda hard to do with only one cast

[latent moon]

also no % scaling apart from in wells

and like urge to kill for 13% lmfao

[vale scroll]

Do you take Flourish or Dash first on the guaranteed Athena boon, I wonder

[dark hollow]

I took dash first

I think the first boon you get is guaranteed to be common? At least that would make sense to me. And dash doesn't really care about rarity

[mint coral]

pretty sure is always attack, cast and dash, flourish can't show up on first boon

[vale scroll]

True, but I figured flourish first makes it so that you could unlock ME earlier by having the prereqs filled faster

or at least have more chances at it 😂

You're not really using flourish after you get the duo anyway

[upper wolf]

Bruh I wanted to send a gif earlier but I couldn't send it because of server rules, now I want to write an entirely unrelated message and it sends the gif with it

Which ofc blocks the whole message because gif bad

Anyway, no flourish in first boon in fresh file

So between attack, cast and dash the question is honestly really simple to answer

[noble quarry]

Het 21 diamonds really wonder where im ginna spend it on

[noble quarry]

Not sure if to decorate house or get songs

[jagged hamlet]

Or Work Orders! Those are always nice

[drowsy linden]

ambrosia

[grand lotus]

if you catch a fish after the .3 second mark or whatever is it guaranteed to be common

[jagged hamlet]

Common or Rare rather than the Rare or Legendary of the sub 0.33s

[tepid light]

Mod where Zagreus just leaps into the river and catches the fish in his mouth like a bear

[noble quarry]

the ones for relationships i passed most only need to unlock the one for sys also have the one of nyx to buy but that costs darkness

[tepid light]

I cannot count the number of times I've lost a ton of hp or a DD because the game decided Zagreus can't dash through a tiny gap or a small obstacle

[stone rune]

it’s generally pretty consistent

occasionally it’ll own u but it’s mostly just having a sense of the dash length and your distance to the gap or object

i think the most important ownage moments are some small gaps in ely that just don’t work for some reason

[tepid light]

guess where it just happened again in

[stone rune]

it’s usually when it’s like

[tepid light]

one of those tiny gaps in the floor in elysium

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1166990808000507934/IMG_1974.png?ex=654c7fe2&is=653a0ae2&hm=2aa9531658826461cd90715eb6960bb904cd8bef924215b043969a7b32e12b90&

like this

an open gap

rather than a closed like hole

that’s where i find it doesn’t work a lot

[tepid light]

In any case, it frustrates me to hell

[stiff obsidian]

i ddint know megs circles could damage you before they spawn

[tepid light]

Hit the time limit on tight deadline for the first time today

I guess that's what happens when you take forever on dad fight due to low dps

[wary iron]

If you have enough hp left, you can evade td in dad fight right?

[tepid light]

?

[wary iron]

Doesn’t it do slow damage over time?

At least it was like that in ely

[tepid light]

Ah

I don't know what the tick rate on the damage is

I just know it's a lot

[wary iron]

Yea

Always fight hades with 600hp

[tepid light]

I make sure to have ample hp and even I've never gotten to 600

I've gotten close though

Via Arthur

[rose roost]

It's 5hp/sec

[tepid light]

That is

Wait

Oh wow, it is only 5

For some reason I thought it was 50

[rose roost]

prolly felt like that

[brisk trail]

celeste?

you mean, the "er" (it's a platformer without platform)

[rocky kiln]

Celest is a very good vidéo game

[brisk trail]

ik

[rocky kiln]

Ok

So wath is your question

[brisk trail]

I hated liked it so much that I beat all chapters and alternate sides (no goldens though)

[rocky kiln]

Gg

[brisk trail]

what is the best combination for pacts

in hades

help?

[rocky kiln]

I don't know

[upper wolf]

There's a pinned post in #h1-high-heat-strategies iirc

[brisk trail]

rlly?

[rocky kiln]

Ok

[brisk trail]

em?

really

[upper wolf]

Yeah

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[brisk trail]

I tried em1, I did succeed that run but

[upper wolf]

Up to 32

[brisk trail]

oof

it's hard

[upper wolf]

https://imgur.com/a/rY9yu1l

There's this too

[brisk trail]

what's this

oh

so look for big green bubbles

[upper wolf]

dw you'll get better at it. You start of struggling with 1 heat then clearing 32 heat ez

[brisk trail]

I passed 1 heat first try

:P

LC is good?

well I guess I don't heal that much anyways

[upper wolf]

Also like, EM1 is just about learning the new patterns. It's not totally free but it's really not that bad

[brisk trail]

I did CP thinking it's just gonna drag out the fight

it absolutely rekt me

[upper wolf]

LC4 lets you use stubborn defiance well, and when room become more difficult it's a good idea anyway

[brisk trail]

going into hades fight with 1 dd, 130 health with few boons

[tepid light]

pffHHAAAHHHAAAA

[upper wolf]

CP is awful, bosses have big HP pool

[brisk trail]

so that's why I was dying so much

bosses also get buffed

dangit

[upper wolf]

Yeah I don't agree 100% with it, but it's good enough for starters

[tepid light]

don't mind me, it's just me doing my usual pact flex

[brisk trail]

so what do you recommend for 3 heat

with zeus shield

[tepid light]

literally anything, just try out one of the modifiers and see how you adapt to it

[upper wolf]

TD2

Free heat when you know the builds enough to have good damage

[brisk trail]

zeus shield is literally so idiot-friendly

[upper wolf]

Nah it's kinda hard to yoyo at first. You need to learn it

[tepid light]

yeah zeus shield is arguably the most difficult to use of the shields

whereas beowulf is just

slam your face on the keyboard

[brisk trail]

i know

zeus shield is hard to master

but it has a high skill ceiling and even if you hide in the corner with the special that's still good

I beat hades thrice with that

i think td is easy with sword, but shield is just slower

[upper wolf]

Nah the most difficult is chaos, because you need to let go of the instinct of using the aspect's "strength"

[upper wolf]

Only if you turtle

Beowulf goes brr

[brisk trail]

i thought chaos was just, bull rush behind the enemy, special with explosive return

[tepid light]

i mean if i wanted to just play regular zag shield i'd do so
i just take a special like demeter or zeus or dionysus and shotgun enemies with the multiple specials

[brisk trail]

ik explosive return doesn't count for all the extra shields

but

still

[upper wolf]

Shotgunning sounds great until half your shields miss and your real shield goes to a random numbskull on the other side of asphodel instead of returning

[brisk trail]

anyways is there just a good general pact combination for 3 heat zeus shield

[upper wolf]

And you're just there like
"Ok guess I'll wait 🤷‍♂️ "

[tepid light]

eh it works well enough

keep in mind i'm obviously not saying chaos shield is an amazing aspect

i'm just saying that if you're gonna use the aspect, you might as well use the gimmick

[brisk trail]

i learned the "good build" for that aspect (i think)

[upper wolf]

Thunder flourish, all Zeus boons, TD2

[brisk trail]

I know the build, but td2?

7 minutes to clear each region

[upper wolf]

Agree, but the gimmick still sucks

Yeah

Ez with good damage

[tepid light]

tbh the only aspect for whom the gimmick is just too unpleasant for me to use is guan yu

[upper wolf]

Guan Yu is just a free exploding launcher, which is awesome tbh

[tepid light]

yeah i just can't stand using it, but that's personal preference

[mint coral]

Yeah but its actual gimmick is

[upper wolf]

Fair

[brisk trail]

If I want td0, is there still a good 3 heat build for zeus shield?

[mint coral]

Built in exploding launcher do be comfy

[mint coral]

Just do em2 then

But td2 shouldn't be bad

What's youe clear time

[brisk trail]

I'm just bad at the zeus shield attack pattern

[brisk trail]

30min

not proud at all

[upper wolf]

I'd feel like LC2 would be easier than EM2. That lernie man...

[mint coral]

You'll shorten your time with practice dw

But yeah fair

[upper wolf]

Bruh lol, that's normal clear time for first few clears

[brisk trail]

I uhh, am learning with skellybro

[mint coral]

Might as well get used to em2 already

[brisk trail]

really?

I always thought I'm that one guy who's clearly bad at games but beats games anyways by trying and dying again and again

[upper wolf]

Yeah, my first clear was like 40 minutes, now I never let go of TD3 because I never get above 20 minutes to clear

Nah that's like

The whole point of the game lol

[brisk trail]

cough cough my 5.4k death count in celeste farewell

[mint coral]

Tbf this is- yeah

Celeste is also that type of game

And fwiw I never did farewell

[brisk trail]

also cough cough taking 60 tries to beat freaking mantis lords in hollow knight

[upper wolf]

Oh also, running out of time on TD is not instadeath

It's 5dps

[mint coral]

Also more important

Time carries between biomes

[upper wolf]

So you can take like 10 more seconds pretty easily

[brisk trail]

that's like, standing in the middle of a ton of numbskulls

[brisk trail]

but you gotta build up some time for styx?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[upper wolf]

Just get the coin flip for a 2 sack, ez

[mint coral]

But for pact at this low health I say just use it to start practicing pacts that are always good

[brisk trail]

idk, I watch these 50 heat td3 runs and these celeste fwg runs and these hollow knight any% tases and then I play the games

[mint coral]

Extreme measures/tight deadline being the main ones

[brisk trail]

and realize how bad I am at games

[mint coral]

You don't even need to go anywhere 50+ heat

[brisk trail]

20

right?

20 is all the bounties

[mint coral]

Like yeah there are gamers™ but you can just not do that lol

[brisk trail]

and 32 is everything

[upper wolf]

Also if you wanna clear 20 or 32 heat or Speedrun or high heat I'd recommend going into The speed up pact as soon as you're good on meta progression

[mint coral]

Yeah 20 for bounties, 32 for statue

[brisk trail]

well, I'm still renovating house of hades

[mint coral]

Also asking for tips here totally valid

[upper wolf]

Bruh are you comparing yourself to TAS ??

[brisk trail]

killed hades 3 times already with the same zeus aspect

if you can't tell by me repeatedly whining about 3 heat

[brisk trail]

no, I watch normal any% runs as well

but

[mint coral]

Tbh for low heat as long as you don't take the awful ones is chill

[brisk trail]

have you ever seen the hollow knight community without silksong

[mint coral]

and even then assuming no TD you can just turtle your way out

[upper wolf]

dw the world record holders once struggled with TD2 too lol

[brisk trail]

I guess so, so LC2?

[upper wolf]

I'm curious on which clear angel1c got her first win

[mint coral]

Lc2 works fine yeah

[brisk trail]

I've always been using CF for my 1heat and 2heat

[mint coral]

(but personal opinion I just don't like just some lvls of LC lmao)

[upper wolf]

Dunno if it's ok to ping her to ask. I won't do it in case it isn't

[mint coral]

Either lc0 or all in on it

[formal orbit]

CF bad, no CF pls

[brisk trail]

mine was on attempt 40

[mint coral]

CF is mean

I like buying stuff

[upper wolf]

Yeah that's in the norms

CF is chill

[brisk trail]

I could concievably clear it earlier if I didn't struggle with the gun

[mint coral]

It is but I'm biased against it

[upper wolf]

Main issue with CF is beating iut the hosrding goblin in your mind

[brisk trail]

it was at the moment I started using shield that I realized, I can't aim

[upper wolf]

Mood

[mint coral]

What are you using to play

[brisk trail]

mk

[mint coral]

Did you turn off aim at cursor

For rail I mean

[brisk trail]

in my defense, I never played a top down game with aiming

[mint coral]

If no, do that

Just let the aim assist do its thing

[brisk trail]

really?

[mint coral]

Yea aim assist in hades is good

[brisk trail]

if you took at my list of games I played and genuinly liked, I have cs:go (ig it's cs2 now), portal 2, hollow knight, celeste

[mint coral]

On controller it can hurt rail special/some other things a bit but it works well overall

[brisk trail]

all of them first person or kb only

hades I liked but I'm still playing it so im not putting it there

[mint coral]

Achilles special goes like 90° near an enemy and it snaps to it

[brisk trail]

really

ok

imma try that with bow as well

[mint coral]

I think only rail turns off aim at cursor

[formal orbit]

Bow with out aim at mouse is funny

[brisk trail]

I uhh, managed to die in tart with a pretty decent mirror with aspect of chiron

[mint coral]

But I play controller so someone else answer that

[brisk trail]

wait brb

[formal orbit]

You aim at the enemy you are facing

To turn around, you kinda have press button while charging

Wonky at best

[stiff obsidian]

my friend plays keyboard only

rama

[formal orbit]

I think rama work better with controller

[stiff obsidian]

like, without mouse

[formal orbit]

Based

[stiff obsidian]

ruthless reflex too

[formal orbit]

Monodash is the worst thing i’ve ever played

[brisk trail]

ight I'm back

[brisk trail]

i like my 2 dashes

[stiff obsidian]

yep i convinced them to switch

and got them through 32 heat

[brisk trail]

uhhm, how do I resist the urge to not play (I don't want a "low heat died in tart" thing in my records)

I like games without records

idk

I never should've bought administrative chamber and scrying well

[stiff obsidian]

the records dont mean anything since you couldve always been resetting or just give up cuz bored

[formal orbit]

You know mysterra - a max heat clear player refuse to turn on hell mode just to preserve his rookie run

[brisk trail]

really?

but I just don't want it yunno, after I beat hades

[formal orbit]

Yeah, in his own words

[brisk trail]

so it's fine to die in tart

[mint coral]

My records look awful on switch lmao

Cuz I resetted with ri4 in tart so many times

[brisk trail]

well, idk, I just, have a huge issue when it comes to records

[mint coral]

So if I scroll through it you see like 20+ runs in a row saying died chamber 1

[brisk trail]

in celeste, I uhh, was never proud of my death counts

[formal orbit]

You can just download a max save to practice

[brisk trail]

the actual embarrassing thing is dying on a run you intend to escape on

without a clear reason

most of my runs, I can find a reason

[mint coral]

Sometimes its just like that

[formal orbit]

Nah, it’s fine, i have about 20 run lose streak dying in tart

[mint coral]

Also hey I've reset runs out of pure boredom

[brisk trail]

"didn't find patroclus"
"low on dds and health on dad"
"cranked the wrong pacts"

[mint coral]

Like I can win with the build but god I'm not having fun

[brisk trail]

I've also had a run die of pure crap luck

[mint coral]

So I just step on a trap

[stiff obsidian]

im pretty sure many people do that

[brisk trail]

that's common death causes I would say

actually, now speaking of that, yunno what'd be funny

if hypnos uses ai to see why you really died

[stiff obsidian]

sometimes i reset on winning runs because theres a voice in my head that says 'lol imagine you reset for no reason and lose this winning run'

and i listen to it

[brisk trail]

like, large language models similar to chatgpt

like, hypnos just says: hey it says here you died of theseus, oh wait that's right you didn't find patroclus and gone in on 15 health and 0 dds

i do like, however, that sg has made a game hard enough that "pro-players" do not have to mod the game to make a challenge run

[formal orbit]

Player mod to make it easier lmao

[stiff obsidian]

this game to hard for me

i will not play it anymore

[vale scroll]

Was nice of SGG to not have any achievements tied to 32 heat and no bounties beyond 20/25

like "we know it's absurd beyond this point"

[brisk trail]

is it worth forcing a decent god in aspho after maxxing out the god pool with also decent gods in tart just to get an extra 5% dmg

[vale scroll]

nope

lmao

I never want to dilute my God pool or reduce my chance of getting Legendaries/Duos

like I get Smouldering Air and Sea Storm both on like 4/5 runs I attempt, it's very consistent if you just build deliberately, and your powerspikes come from having the good duos and synergy boons

5% damage is piddly by contrast

[brisk trail]

ok

although, I am wondering, the aspect characters are really messy

like, for the hidden aspects, you got an english king, a chinese warrior, (idk who rama or beowulf is), and the devil from christianity

[vale scroll]

Well, Guan Yu, Arthur and Rama all managed some form of apotheosis in their stories

(Rama being an avatar of Vishnu, and Arthur's ascendance to Avalon in some versions being kinda like godhood)

Lucifer is the exact opposite

Beo was just kind of lizard-killer though lmao

Gilgamesh also fits the theme a bit now that I think of it

[brisk trail]

sometimes my deaths are really confusing:
one time I beat hydra and got through the entirety of ely, dying at boss, without dds and on 80 health

another time, I already beat hades once, I was in ely with 180 health, 2 dds and died on a than encounter

the latter was on cf1 but it doesn't matter

[vale scroll]

It's mostly just a soujorn through various myths besides Greek, though I'm kinda surprised there was no Norse in the mix

I wonder if Zeus would have been weird about an aspect of Thor 😛

[brisk trail]

im surprised there's no thor or anything

[brisk trail]

is that, ripoff lighting?

-zeus

[vale scroll]

No axes, no hammers 🥲

Melinoe please club things good with giant weapons and show your dainty bro how it's done

[brisk trail]

yeah, there's not enough weapons

however, I guess it's not repetitive

you have a sword, which is definitely different from a spear, which is definitely different from a shield, which is definitely different from a bow, which is definitely different from what is essentially brass knuckles, which is definitely different to an assault rifle

also, I do wish keepsakes from olympians are more interesting than "you get their boon"

[vale scroll]

Exagryph still gets me rolling

"Here, Greek hero, have an automatic"

[brisk trail]

exagryph is really funny though

so, we have a sword, and a spear, and a shield, and a bow, and a fist

zag: "how about this one"

*loads gun*

I do wish there are more minigames in hades, I mean, sure, they turned a roguelite into a dating simulator, but c'mon, bomb defusal should be fun

[formal orbit]

I’m still sad there is no farming simulator

[brisk trail]

there's a fishing simulator as well

i somehow forgor that

[formal orbit]

Persephone even said that you should take care of her cottage

[brisk trail]

oof

yeah

they should update this game so that after you escape for the 10th time you can see her cottage and take care of it

instead of a weird cutscene that frankly isn't even that funny

[mint coral]

I love the post credits deaths

[tepid light]

Ok but the rail is also kind of horrifying if you think about what the weapon descriptions and certain gods say about it

How it was locked away due to fear of its destructive power, and Ares commenting on how much 'greater' war would be if it was a common weapon

And then you realize that our age, where guns are the normal weapon, is exactly the new age that Ares was fantasizing about

[open hull]

I was expecting that

I felt so betrayed

[wary iron]

Mel better do some farming

[open hull]

Did you know that you can bet money on the victors of current conflicts

[open hull]

Frog farming

[wary iron]

The French love it

[open hull]

I like snails more

You suck em up like jello

[wary iron]

Their consistency reminds me of mushrooms

[tepid light]

Your consistency reminds me of mushrooms

[wary iron]

Help

Where’s peta when you need them once

[open hull]

do the themes actually do anything

[autumn rose]

no

[stone rune]

they make your victory screen pretty

[mint coral]

Visual changes only

Pretty worth

[autumn rose]

yeah

they go kinda hard

[open hull]

thats sick

was worried i wasted my ambrosia

[tepid light]

Look out I'm gonna uwu

[jagged hamlet]

I miss the greek sunrises

[upper wolf]

Just do fresh files 4Head

[latent moon]

Start a new file and every time you get to the surface hit give up

Or corrupt the save file

[sour fog]

or quit while outside and just copy the file

[stiff obsidian]

keep it on your rotating wallpaper like me

is there a reason why rail special sometimes doesnt come out at the start of a chamber?

[latent moon]

Might be like the walk in animation?

[stiff obsidian]

oh thats a thing

[jagged hamlet]

Yep! It'll also keep you from dashing for like a full second when you enter fountain chambers

[latent moon]

That's only specific for the Tartarus fountain where the fountain is in front of you

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1167205603781922916/hahahah.mp4?ex=654d47ed&is=653ad2ed&hm=f83cc521653d70bfb98e65c343ccd03a09dc348d5b69debd3e9bd207758fb07e&

[noble quarry]

so im trying to get to sys but curious does dark forsight reduce chance to encounter him

[latent moon]

No

[stone rune]

tbt https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1167230546678665267/image.png?ex=654d5f28&is=653aea28&hm=069a3258f6e92ec2f5a51f258aac0872cdd643bc307f58cb6eb58ce937760841&=&width=1246&height=701

how far we've come

[formal orbit]

Does roiling spawn more wave or just increase the amount of enemies each wave?

[stone rune]

more enemies per wave

it can feel like more waves because of the enemy cap

[formal citrus]

I think I have 400+ runs and have never caught the legendary surface fish. Never have the right heart rate for fishing then, for some reason.

[formal orbit]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish.

TLDR: monkey see plop, monkey press button

[tepid light]

UwU

[noble quarry]

80 hours later and found out that i could talk to the boulder damn i feel stupid i didnt notice before

[wet rivet]

I can't deliver the wine to the god?

It's locked

Why?

[short glen]

You've gotten as far as you can with them for now: keep playing and eventually you'll find a way to remove that lock

Can't tell you how without knowing which

[strong steppe]

Same, I felt stupid too 😭😭

[brisk trail]

who should I offend in totg, artemis or zeus

[tepid light]

hell of a way to phrase that question

zeus is a bit easier to deal with imo

[formal orbit]

you only betrayed artemis when the other one is aphro, pos or grandma

sentimental reason mostly

[brisk trail]

I am never ever offending artemis again

I uhh, misjudged my position between the 2

and I am never picking zeus again

I picked him, and he ate my rerolls

[formal orbit]

I would say athena < dio < artemis < zeus = ares < pos = aphro < grandma

[brisk trail]

I mean, thanks for making my runs a lot easier bcs zeus^2 but, screw you zeus on that one

[brisk trail]

always piss off athena

[formal orbit]

grandma can be kinda free if you are using hestia

[formal orbit]

elysium athena is a bit sus since she eats up a lot of your time

[brisk trail]

no td guy

[formal orbit]

then she is free

[brisk trail]

how to tell if you're build is good:

try pressing buttons
wait, the enemies are dead
ok this build is good

[vale scroll]

Poseidon is pretty free imo

I know his has a seeking wave and all but it's way easier to spot and avoid than Aphro's heart, and if you get hit it hurts a lot less than Aphro

Athena and Poseidon are the ones I usually tick off

[upper wolf]

Tears of the gnikdom

[upper wolf]

What about the tight deadline of our ephemeral stay in this mortal coil?

Poseidon is probably the god that killed me the most, because he's perfectly in that sweet spot where he's easy enough that I piss him off regularly but dangerous enough to actually have a shot at killing me when I do

[tepid light]

i'd rather waste time than be dead

plus i waste a lot of time anyways when dodging the tracking heart of death

[last veldt]

It's about the hardest choice in the trials. I tend to look at whether I have a large arena to move about in (if so I think Artemis is easier to handle since you can just keep moving away as she tracks you). For small arenas, both suck, but at least Zeus is more random.

[upper wolf]

Funny thing, but Artemis will precisely aim around Zagreus, so technically you should stay put to avoid her. There's the small detail of every other enemy though

[autumn rose]

and the funnier thing is she tells you to start running in one of her trial voicelines

gal knows if u stay put she bouta have a hard time

[upper wolf]

Headcanon is that she doesn't really want to hurt zag

Also explains why Athena is a pushover but aphro and Demeter delete you from existence

Totally fizzle when it comes to Zeus though

[ionic hemlock]

Does Hypnos have unique voice lines to dying to a god?

[noble quarry]

Well got true ending and got all this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069822685531623424/1167483118081548419/20231027_172036.jpg?ex=654e4a62&is=653bd562&hm=aecbee4828d144bdd593d3c836e1e16bde0f16e1a2e5bf7e4de9263b4cdfb3d6&

[stiff obsidian]

speedrunning is the most efficient way to farm darkness yea

[noble quarry]

On completed heat levels

Thin poseidon boons and that 1 chaos boon help too

[stiff obsidian]

yea

[wet rivet]

I just pick his mother back

The music is amazing

[formal citrus]

Honestly having closed eyes sometimes gets me the best results. Knowing long waits means fake is helpful.

[leaden belfry]

aprhodite in those duo rooms

is the hardest

cos homing

and the cc

i wish some aspects were a bit more

usuable

and they could easily be done so if the game was more fluid, like chiron bow

[rose roost]

Demeter with kinetic launcher so funny

just a stream of no u waves with Athena special

[latent moon]

All aspects are pretty usable tbh

[last veldt]

But she's so slow. I'll avoid her in the really small rooms, but she's fine in a big space.

[upper wolf]

Meh, chaos shield sucks

It's gimmick sucks

Aegis has only 3 aspects

Sword same, zag and nemesis plays the same

Fist is debatable. But honestly you will always play ME on fists, which is a bit of a shame. Other builds are viable though

[leaden belfry]

lighting fists is fun

but tidal dash combo isnt possible without long kunckles

[upper wolf]

Bow has very unique aspects. But Chiron special should be easier to use

[leaden belfry]

the self root is too punishing

[upper wolf]

Rail is awesome

[stone rune]

wdym

it's perfectly doable without long knuckle

[leaden belfry]

i tried it once

did not like it

[upper wolf]

Spear kinda but zag aspect sucks

[stone rune]

you probably didn't use it well

[leaden belfry]

i am trying ot have fun

[stone rune]

better than hades lol

[leaden belfry]

not min max everything

[upper wolf]

Impressive tact lol

[leaden belfry]

nah I am jsut saying, some aspectsd require a bit

too much work

[wary iron]

It works perfect without, and even if not, that’s a perfect setup for dash only, but yeah it’s fairly easy

[leaden belfry]

fair enough

i really think hades spear is lame

i think instead of a windup it should have been an instant spin with an internal CD

[last veldt]

There is a hammer for that.

[leaden belfry]

I meant spin2win

[last veldt]

But yeah, spear is weak generally.

I don't think I used Hades spear more than a couple of times.

[leaden belfry]

i think acilles is very good but guan yu blade hp debuff makes it very eh

If you could spin mutiple times during the spin it would be very cool

[upper wolf]

You seem to be spinning too much lol

Spear spin is like sword special, it's there for combos and filler but not as the main damage tool

[leaden belfry]

one must embrace the beyblade

[open hull]

Spear spin takes too long tho

Sword special at least is faster

[stone rune]

the best thing to do with spear spin is ignore it

[upper wolf]

Nah it's good for its niche : charging during Spawn animations and applying hades debuff. And eventually for AOE but it's pretty rare

Well, really rare

[stone rune]

that’s only rlly applicable on hades

for achilles the endlag means it’s better to just position yourself well and prep a cast or something

and on GY you want to charge a special

granted on achilles and zagspear your spin should have been surgically removed already

[upper wolf]

I mean, I kinda agree with you and kinda disagree. I think there are points where the spin is genuinely useful. Even Achilles can use the spin in some early rooms to clear some spawns and it would be easier and just as good as a cast positioned well. Or only slightly worse, to the point the ease of use can make it worth it

... And then you get flurry stab

[stone rune]

the thing is like

in early rooms you're not facing up against more than a lout right

and on achilles with 1 god and hc a base buffed cast is 140

[upper wolf]

GY too can be useful as a mix between healing, stunloxking and dealing some damage

[stone rune]

that's already enough to kill a wringer

[upper wolf]

Oh yeah, sorry, I meant for AOE

[stone rune]

and also you're not going up against many enemies at once

[upper wolf]

Like it can be used for AOE while waiting spawns

[stone rune]

if it's big enemies probably only 2 or 3 per wave

and you can just preshoot 2 casts

[upper wolf]

I'd need to play more to tell you

[latent moon]

tbf guan yu is only good with charged skewer
and at that point it's like a weird hestia/bow thingy but plays very safe; the hp debuff doesn't really impact it that much

[upper wolf]

I don't play Achilles much, I usually only preshot casts on other weapons, like arthur

I just like Hades and GY a lot more

[formal citrus]

Anyone have tips for hyper delivery with flurry shot (esp on hera)?

[stone rune]

press dash then attack

just do dash strikes

shrimple enough

[formal citrus]

New timing to learn

I find aiming on controller pretty hard to do while doing that, but I used to think that about regular now dash strikes

Gotta practice I guess

Speed running and have aphro dem zeus on hera. Do I go athena or pos (with dash still open) or some other keep sake

I feel like pos. I'm starting to get that tidal is really good, even if I already have snurst

[stone rune]

tidal is bad on hera

[formal citrus]

Knowing away casts?

Knocking

Hmm

[stone rune]

makes grouping worse

do aty

if u dont know do arty atk

on hera

[formal citrus]

Sell common frost strike? I could I guess

[stone rune]

yea

40% bad

[formal citrus]

Have a chaos giving +31% rare. That's neat

[stone rune]

and +10% epic/leg/duo

[formal citrus]

Heart rend with point blank could be okay I guess

Parting shot also good tho

[stone rune]

parting shot sux

[formal citrus]

I'm running shadow strike

[stone rune]

why

that's worse

[formal citrus]

Presence

Parting

[stone rune]

how do u play tart

[formal citrus]

Hit everything with the cast

[stone rune]

thats like 2020 strats

fiery is better

[formal citrus]

K arti here we go

Lol just lost 3 dd to learnie

[stone rune]

lernie tax

[formal citrus]

Hypothetically, would you take lightning rods on hera if you had legendary recall

Also actually spent pat getting them back because I don't trust myself that much

[stone rune]

no

unless it’s like a zeus boon and the other two are like thunder dash and call

wait

how did we open rod

what decisions led us here

[formal citrus]

Zeus call arti attack

Zeus call was first

If I can kill Hades in less than a minute I will achieve my goal here

No lightning rods came up but I was just pondering

[leaden belfry]

hera

whats ur cast

[stone rune]

don’t take zeus call

ever

on a castspect

well

on beo/hera

there is literally no reason in anyheat

[leaden belfry]

even with smaair?

[stone rune]

it makes ur well odds and hermes odds worse

it locks out dad call

[stone rune]

how do u have smair before zeus call

but dad call damage would be more than smair zeus

[leaden belfry]

thats a fair point

[formal citrus]

I did get smair. It was nice

[leaden belfry]

is zeus cast good on

[formal citrus]

Minute and 4 seconds, but good enough!

[leaden belfry]

beo/hera

[stone rune]

if u want a good dad kill just use beo

no

it sucks on both

[leaden belfry]

oh

how about phalanx

[stone rune]

it’s ok

worse than the alternatives on either one tho

[formal citrus]

Zeus kinda has nothing good to offer hera it seems like

[stone rune]

yep

[formal citrus]

Hehehe

Fitting

[stone rune]

but if u want a sub1 dad kill

[leaden belfry]

like in lore

[stone rune]

beo is the way