grouping, pathing, etc
#h1-discussion
latent moon
stiff obsidian
thats all
latent moon
i mean that's bare minimum for sub10 imo
good build + free rooms and practice can get you a sub10
if you're willing to grind for it at least
which is where the practice part comes in
static shoal
i can never hit rail specials man
latent moon
oh you're on controller right
static shoal
they're so slow
mint coral
Can also play awful and be carried by rooms + build
static shoal
oh you're on controller right
ye
latent moon
rail special aim on controller is pretty cringe from what i've heard
static shoal
rail special aim on controller is pretty cringe from what i've heard
it's utter trash
tepid light
if you do poorly using hestia
you might say you got
railed
latent moon
true
static shoal
especially with aim assist
latent moon
might be a practice thing tbf
top rail player uses controller but they do have like rocket bomb start so it's a lot easier to use
but they also have wr on luci
mint coral
If like you want to aim at the enemy that has no obstacle between ez I don't have a problem with the aim
jagged hamlet
It's doable on controller. Nowhere near as neat as KBM
latent moon
yeah
mint coral
The moment you want precision say goodbye
static shoal
top rail player uses controller but they do have like rocket bomb start so it's ...
yeah i mean people do keep mentioning clockets
static shoal
The moment you want precision say goodbye
to what?
latent moon
rocket is probably the bigger part here
mint coral
to what?
Accuracy is controller worst part as you've seen
Like tart w/o rocket can be manageable on controller
Mostly small rooms
Aspho without rocket and controller aim ain't fun
static shoal
Mostly small rooms
small rooms are worse for hitting special
because aim assist doesn't account for walls
latent moon
tbf i dont account for walls either and i play kbm
static shoal
so it keeps bouncing off of obstacles
mint coral
Its a small room, it won't go that far
static shoal
Its a small room, it won't go that far
small rooms in Styx always have something in the middle
jagged hamlet
I sometimes try to bounce rail special off the walls to adjust for autoaim
heady monolith
I wish if lobbing casts always worked like they did with the hold cast boon
Somehow they immediately go perfectly on the opponent
static shoal
I wish if lobbing casts always worked like they did with the hold cast boon
b-but
mint coral
Like I'd love to have kbm aiming but I don't think I could really save that much time
heady monolith
But if u don't have that u gotta aim trippy shot just like aiming the rail special
static shoal
isn't trippy shot terrible?
mint coral
(which is probably die to to lack of practice lmao)
native blade
isn't trippy shot terrible?
No, no it’s not.
mint coral
I don't like trippy shot but is aight
heady monolith
isn't trippy shot terrible?
No, and I'm talking about the mechanism rather than the cast itself
latent moon
it's alright
mint coral
If you wanna go and build it get ice wine
heady monolith
If the game is able to auto aim them why does it have to go ungabunga when u don't have that boon
static shoal
ice wine is the one that stuns, right?
mint coral
Trippy shot stuns by default
heady monolith
Same with rail special why doesn't it just go to the closest mob
static shoal
so what does ice wine do
mint coral
Ice wine is inflict chill + no throwing arc
static shoal
idr
mint coral
The cast just appears
native blade
Ice wine is inflict chill + no throwing arc
Slow speedge tho
mint coral
Is faster than the throwing arc
static shoal
The cast just appears
does it appear fast at least?
mint coral
Ice wine is worse on trippy flare
latent moon
does it appear fast at least?
it's a lot faster
static shoal
or does it appear like demeter's aid
mint coral
Dem aid but faster
static shoal
mmm
native blade
Great for mobs
heady monolith
Is faster than the throwing arc
Both have a throwing arc regardless and if u simply press the button without aiming it just throws it to a random spot
mint coral
Aim assist just snaps to the enemy for me idk
static shoal
i mean i hate having to deal with trippy shot so much that i'll probably never go ice wine
latent moon
heady monolith
But having the hermes boon makes it so it perfectly goes on opponents
latent moon
time stamped for trippy shot
next room uses ice wine
you can compare them and ice wine is a lot faster
native blade
Since we’re on the topic, most hated boons?
static shoal
https://youtu.be/7AZNQuIggXQ?t=697
32 heat aphro dash-only speedrun when?
mint coral
Like I think the worst cases for controller is luci special, zeus shield and hestia/achilles auto aim
Achilles spear is so sticky on controller 
heady monolith
Since we’re on the topic, most hated boons?
Don't hate any but i find many pointless, 90% of demeter's list for example
latent moon
32 heat aphro dash-only speedrun when?
i'd do tidal dash only but not passion
native blade
Don't hate any but i find many pointless, 90% of demeter's list for example
Really? Like what?
tepid light
Since we’re on the topic, most hated boons?
fully loaded
heady monolith
Her cast
latent moon
dem kinda just sucks in general
her only good boons are snow burst and ravenous will
mint coral
Since we’re on the topic, most hated boons?
Merciful end
latent moon
killing freeze isn't too bad but it's kinda like
idk
i dont seek it out
even if i have chill stuff
tepid light
i'm kinda surprised how much people dislike demeter, i find i get a lot of utility out of chill
native blade
i'm kinda surprised how much people dislike demeter, i find i get a lot of utili...
Same.
mint coral
I mean
native blade
She’s like a balance between support and cc
native blade
And she can do crazy dmg with synergies.
latent moon
it's kinda just a mid effect
tbf weak isn't much better either
both just kinda exist
mint coral
And she can do crazy dmg with synergies.
After a million boons on beams ig
latent moon
also aphro boons past her cores are pretty useless too
native blade
After a million boons on beams ig
Not even that, chill synergies.
mint coral
The ones that only escale with rarity?
native blade
Btw, anyone ever do a Blade Rift build?
latent moon
you go for dem for her support, you go for aphro for her cores
tepid light
tbf weak isn't much better either
i like both, if only because it makes dad easier to deal with, and that's basically the biggest concern for my runs
latent moon
but dem support is mainly for cast builds lmao
native blade
tbf weak isn't much better either
Eh, I like weak, but that’s cuz I have pstats and take a lot of dmg.
latent moon
i like both, if only because it makes dad easier to deal with, and that's basica...
fair but also i generally wouldn't attribute my clears to like "thank god i had weak/chill" most of the time
stiff obsidian
i do
native blade
Btw, anyone ever do a Blade Rift build?
^
stiff obsidian
i be dead without weak
tepid light
fair but also i generally wouldn't attribute my clears to like "thank god i had ...
I guess it depends on how you view 'attributing' something to a clear, like I can certainly say many of my runs have been made far easier by either making dad do no damage or making him move like a snail
Or both
native blade
Or you mean the dash
All of the blade rift boons tbh.
latent moon
blade dash lowkey kinda baller for flat damage soup builds if you dont get tidal dash
it just has no scaling
native blade
I’m tryna see if I can make Ares’ Call useful.
mint coral
Yeah blade dash is solid
latent moon
and no breaking wave
stiff obsidian
once i had smair ares call
mint coral
Ares doesn't have a call sadly
latent moon
lmfao
native blade
I’m tryna see if I can make Ares’ Call useful.
Cuz it’s worthless imo.
native blade
There’s blade rift support boons
tepid light
Ares call at least serves the aforementioned purpose as an invuln panic button
native blade
That suck enemies in and stuff like that.
mint coral
They aren't that good really
tepid light
But it's just so short
mint coral
Would be fun if hunting blades worked on dash, really
native blade
I think it lasts as long as Athena’s tbf but I ain’t sure.
latent moon
the weird thing about engulfing vortex is that if you instaphase dad with them, they last a tad bit longer than his invulnerability bubble so you lose time there lmao
i always found that weird
native blade
They aren't that good really
:/
latent moon
and kinda funny
tepid light
Random idea for an ares boon that would make blade rift more useful:
Chance to turn the target into a blade rift on hit, they still can act and move around as regular, but they constantly hit themselves and other enemies around them
native blade
I agree, Athena’s better in every way.
mint coral
ares should've gotten a doom legendary
static shoal
Random idea for an ares boon that would make blade rift more useful:
Chance to...
let's make it a mod
because this is a swell idea
another boon that would complement this:
(Athena boon) Make enemies hit by Cast stick to enemies near them
for easier AoE set ups
native blade
for easier AoE set ups
I’d say the simplest buff is to just let it do Doom dmg.
static shoal
I’d say the simplest buff is to just let it do Doom dmg.
i mean it's meant to be an independent boon too
not a Duo boon, per se
native blade
Just saying
But in that sense, let it scale up in dmg
Start at 1 dmg and doubles up
static shoal
another boon that would complement this:
(Athena boon) Make enemies hit by Cas...
actually this probably fits Ağhro more
call it "Sticky Situation"
boom! perfect Aphro boon name 👍
static shoal
Start at 1 dmg and doubles up
what does?
native blade
what does?
The Blades
static shoal
starting at 1 damage is definitely too low
it hits 5 times and only deals 63 dmg?
so low
start it at like 32 and now we're talking
tepid light
That was quite a run
Athena and Dionysus legendaries, Different League, Ravenous Will, Sure Footing, High Tolerance
Only a single DD used
Dad did squat damage to me
I always adore these sorts of runs
short glen
dang
static shoal
but the Athena leg is just another Acorn
what's the Dio leg?
i'm asking cuz i honestly don't remember
tepid light
DOUBLE YARN
jagged hamlet
Makes peeps take more damage in Trippy Fog
obsidian junco
Hi.
upper wolf
I really need to keep in mind dashes are not only for repositioning but they also have iframes
I am psychologically unable to let go of the attack button on rail
tepid light
those iframes are pretty tight though
i can't count the number of times i've dashed headfirst into dad spin because i thought the iframes lasted longer than they do
upper wolf
well, they sure last longer than no iframes 
tepid light
it's like i dodge things when i didn't expect to and get hit when i expected to dodge
native blade
One thing I can genuinely be proud of is my grasp of timing in this game, but I’m physically incapable of slowing down to attack more methodically it seems.
static shoal
I am psychologically unable to let go of the attack button on rail
aren't you supposed to grab delta chamber + greatest reflex and never let go of attack button in the first place?
y'know what's the funniest thing about this game?
the fact that Aspect of Hades is the worst aspect
radiant storm
those iframes are pretty tight though
I framed are pretty generous. Dash striking ends then early though.
native blade
the fact that Aspect of _Hades_ is the worst aspect
Gotta complete the build.
static shoal
Gotta complete the build.
wdym
formal orbit
You do realize that hades has 50 heat boonless run right?
static shoal
You do realize that hades has 50 heat boonless run right?
now i truly believe this community is full of masochists
because that sounds miserable
static shoal
The Hades spear isn’t complete.
wdym
static shoal
I ain’t giving spoilers, you’ll figure it out.
bro i completed the epilogue
maxed out all keepsakes
forged every bond besides zeus
what ELSE is there?!
native blade
Hades.
native blade
forged every bond besides zeus
Also based, Zeus can go screw himself,
wary iron
He probably will
static shoal
Also based, Zeus can go screw himself,
literally the only thing he didn't screw
native blade
literally the only thing he didn't screw
Well actually…
static shoal
right, nvm
native blade
static shoal
yeah i remembered that myth too
wary iron
Tbf he got a lot more open minded after having Athena
native blade
Lmao, yep.
static shoal
Tbf he got a lot more *open minded* after having Athena
oh shush
native blade
Tbf he got a lot more *open minded* after having Athena
Yeah, he was no longer so picky on what he’d cheat on his wife with:
And in which firm he’d do it in.
static shoal
I ain’t giving spoilers, you’ll figure it out.
bro are you talking about Guan Yu?
or are you just trolling me
native blade
bro are you talking about Guan Yu?
Nope, you got something from Mom rii?
static shoal
Nope, you got something from Mom rii?
what's "rii"?
native blade
what's "rii"?
Right = rii
static shoal
Nope, you got something from Mom rii?
is this after tthe epilogue?
native blade
Ye
tepid light
I can already think of a description phrase
Something like
"Man and mount stood high above all challengers"
formal orbit
Lu Bu vs Guan Yu who’s winning?
Lu Bu overrated, I would take zhao yun
tepid light
Lu Bu overrated, I would take zhao yun
Lu Bu's far more well-known though
tepid light
If we were selecting a lesser-known warrior from the Three Kingdoms though
Gimme some of that Xiahou Dun
native blade
Lu Bu overrated, I would take zhao yun
On foot I think Zhao Yun would win but I think on horseback Lu Bu would crush Zhao Yun.
formal orbit
The thing people remember the most about Lu Bu probably killing his own father for his lover
Probably
native blade
He’s the one who the idiom “Losing your army and your wife” came from rii?
tepid light
The thing people remember the most about Lu Bu probably killing his own father f...
Don't forget shooting an arrow like 5 miles away and hitting his mark in order to tend a squabble
Or 1v3'ing the brothers and surviving
Or the classic saying "among men, lu bu; among horses, red hare"
static shoal
is there a way to see the number of successful escapes?
native blade
Lu Bu get carried and still lost
To whom?
native blade
is there a way to see the number of _successful_ escapes?
Yeah, at the end of a successful run lol.
static shoal
Yeah, at the end of a successful run lol.
bruh
native blade
Sorry, misremembering for someone else
Ah.
tepid light
Tbf that's accurate for Lu Bu as well
If he'd listened to Chen Gong we would've gotten the Lu Dynasty in the end for sure
formal orbit
Mistake for Liu Bei lmao
tepid light
Dad beaten with no DD's used and less than half of my hp lost
I always forget how ridiculously powerful rama is
native blade
Dad beaten with no DD's used and less than half of my hp lost
Gigazag.
Wanna try Stubborn Defiance? 
tepid light
*Wanna try Stubborn Defiance?* <:dusa:522248771409543188>
I would frankly rather die, and I will die if I take that
Tbh I could see myself working perfectly well with Stubborn Defiance up until dad
At which point I would just get slaughtered
native blade
That’s why we got tooth and Athena.
wary iron
You have to use the egg
formal orbit
dying is a skill with SD lmao
native blade
I just realised the hilarity of Chaos’ keepsake being an egg.
wary iron
Sd actually works well with hs bc you can just regenerate life quicker in asphodel for example
Just gotta make sure you don’t die twice
tepid light
You couldn't pay me enough to do em4 with stubborn defiance
native blade
You couldn't pay me enough to do em4 with stubborn defiance
Lmao, I wonder if I recorded my em4 win with SD
obsidian junco
Hi.
native blade
Heya
tepid light
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987496174636380160/1163471352745951283/...
well now
credit where credit is due
i likely wouldn't be able to pull that off
formal orbit
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987496174636380160/1163471352745951283/...
you know what, I'm impresed lmao
I don't think I can do that either
native blade
I don't think I can do that either
It took so many runs lol, I also did it without God Mode for the flex but Idk if I have that one.
formal orbit
I would probably do it only if I have ME or smair
but without TD, smair build is pretty viable
native blade
Ye.
native blade
I hate that aspect
It's pretty controversial yeah. But it really works with my build.
Pretty much only Baewulf works better.
spring rain
GUYS GUYS
I was listening to a song called "Zagreus"
it's not really related to hades at all, at least it doesn't seem to be
but the band made a hades reference at the end of it
oh dammit
it made so [redacted] happy
median solar
I have like a question about the game but it’s kinda spoilery where do I ask it
stone rune
here
median solar
Ah
Ok so like I have a few questions about fishing in Greece
I started a new file recently and I just want to make sure I fully understand it
The first one is a pretty stupid question but does the fish alert sound effect play in the post final boss rooms
A friend or mine said that he got a fishing point with the sound effect there but I can’t tell if that’s just because he’s heard of hearing or if it just doesn’t play
formal orbit
The first one is a pretty stupid question but does the fish alert sound effect p...
yes
a bell chime to be exact
median solar
Ok I wanted to make sure it played there too
spring rain
hehe fish alert
median solar
Second what are the odds of getting a fishing spot there the wiki says 20% but I can’t tell if that’s per room or for the whole area
formal orbit
I think that 20% is spread across all room for the first 10 escapes
then condensed into one after it
median solar
So 10 per room?
median solar
oh, I assumed you couldn’t get one in the arena until after your 10th escape
That’s actually pretty cool if it’s the case it would mean that your odds of getting a Greece fish remain the same even after you lose access to the post final boss rooms
Also, this one is really rhetorical but why are the odds of getting a chaos fish so low It’s so painful.
upper wolf
mood
the very last codex entry I'm missing is the middle fish in chaos
I have everything else
native blade
the very last codex entry I'm missing is the middle fish in chaos
That took so long for me to get.
upper wolf
at some point I feel like I'm gonna try to force huge catch and spam chaos
and end run at heroes
native blade
and end run at heroes
Fauth run? 
static shoal
That took so long for me to get.
i have middle fish but not the legendary fish
native blade
i have _middle_ fish but not the legendary fish
For Chaos?
static shoal
also the codex entry on Mati (the lesser fish) is still not complete
yet middle fish entry is complete lmao
this happened even before i installed that "easier fishing" mod
btw can that Well of Charon item force a fishing spot in Chaos?
native blade
btw can that Well of Charon item force a fishing spot in Chaos?
Yes.
static shoal
i assume it ain't easy to get tho
maybe right before entering asphodel/elysium tho
nvm
tthat just fforces a fish in the entry chamber of asp/ely
...right?
can fish even spawn there?
gray apex
Yea
stone rune
i assume it ain't easy to get tho
it's actually very easy to get
just be in ely with 3 stones and 3 rolls, every well you roll will have a skeletal lure
🗿
static shoal
just be in ely with 3 stones and 3 rolls, every well you roll will have a skelet...
but you need a charon well and chaos well to spawn in the same chamber
latent moon
Just get huge catch
mint coral
Next chamber can also simply not have an available spot I think
latent moon
I think only bull miniboss and heroes boss fights in ely don't have fish
Actually theres that box room
static shoal
I think only bull miniboss and heroes boss fights in ely don't have fish
i can think of one more room
static shoal
Actually theres that box room
probabbly the one i am thinking about
formal orbit
the hardest one is onion becase I can't allow myself to throw run lmao
static shoal
the hardest one is onion becase I can't allow myself to throw run lmao
what a subtle flex
native blade
what a subtle flex
Fr, you’ve seen my mirror but I ain’t touching Erebus without Bae and Skelly.
static shoal
oh you mean "i won't enter erebus at all"
static shoal
tbh if it's a TD0 run, entering Erebus is quite beneficial
stone rune
too slow
tepid light
the only time i go into erebus is in tartarus
stone rune
gotta go fast
tepid light
and even then only for hp or for some boon that's too good to pass up
native blade
My playstyle is way too dmg dependent to last.
native blade
Speedge is keydge.
tepid light
weirdge
static shoal
i do td0
but if you go td0 you can enccounter those annoying-ass timed survival rooms
stone rune
https://youtu.be/XrFLWsLQVJg?t=229 watch the timer
tepid light
oh huh come to think of it i haven't gotten one of those survival rooms in a long time
stone rune
td turns them off
tepid light
interesting
static shoal
oh huh come to think of it i haven't gotten one of those survival rooms in a lon...
yeah i hadn't gotten one of thhem in a long time bcuz i usually use td
but then
i tried 32 heat td0
i got a survival room in elysium
tepid light
I've just been sticking with tight deadline 1 for a while now
Don't really want to go higher
static shoal
i got a survival room in elysium
this was my pact: hl1 lc1 cf2 js3 em3 cp0 bp2 mm1 uc1 fo2 hs0 ri0 dc2 ap1 td0
upper wolf
I almost never go under TD3
static shoal
the room kicked my ass
upper wolf
I just die IRL if I have runs that last more than 20 minutes anyway
static shoal
bcuz apparently surviving an onslaught of js3 bp2 fo2 dc2 Elysium enemies is hard as balls
tepid light
on a different note, i'm really starting to like thanatos summon
takes a bit of adjustment, but the damage is nice
stone rune
the damage is slightly better than meg for a way longer drop time and no consistent lineups
static shoal
so it didn't matter in the end
upper wolf
"a bit of adjustment" is not what I'd call having to wait three years for the attack to go off
static shoal
meg has consistent sneak line-up?!
stone rune
yeah
static shoal
how to do it
stone rune
sneak is free
static shoal
plsplspls
stone rune
just summon at the right time
static shoal
i hate sneak
stone rune
let me see if i have one
with meg you can do a 0 cycle sneak on certain aspects
but that setup is hard
tepid light
the damage is slightly better than meg for a way longer drop time and no consist...
doesn't matter when i'm only using it for bosses where the enemy is big and relatively slow
also, surprisingly: i'm doing it for fun
just because i want to try summons other than megaera's for variety
static shoal
https://youtu.be/XrFLWsLQVJg?t=167
baewulf moment
tepid light
spread fire hestia, here we go
static shoal
also i literally blinked and missed it the first time i watchhed it LMAO
tepid light
this will either go very well or very poorly
stone rune
spread fire hestia, here we go
why would u do that'
go zagrail
it doesnt even affect hestia
like does nothing
https://youtu.be/OSPh_y1BPPA?t=93 here's 0 cycle sneak
tepid light
why would u do that'
wait, does the hestia bonus damage not apply to the first shot with spread fire?
stone rune
it does
but it still has teh same range
it's not a shotgun
and theres a delay after the shot
same as normal
tepid light
that's honestly kind of a pity
static shoal
https://youtu.be/OSPh_y1BPPA?t=93 here's 0 cycle sneak
I DIDN'T EVEN SEE YOUR WEAPON COME OUT WTF
tepid light
was hoping they'd have changed it
tepid light
well, now i know
stone rune
i havent learned 0 cycle sneak yet
tepid light
thanks for the info, jazz
static shoal
i havent learned 0 cycle sneak yet
so what was UR setup? 0.1 cycle sneak?
stone rune
1 cycle
stone rune
0cycle is usually 1.5 seconds of timesave
nnevic always tells me to learn it
ill savestate it one of these days
upper wolf
I should savestate to train against charon a bit
but :
lazy
on another note I usually use achilles summon
I wouldn't say it's better than meg
tepid light
I don't think I've beaten charon once to this day
upper wolf
but it's ok
tepid light
I keep forgetting I can do so
stone rune
the thing about achilles summon'
it has like very slightly more single target damage
but a lot less 2target
and doesnt hit more than 2
so it's useless in witches or MM bombers
it is however the best summon for c1%
tepid light
I wouldn't say it's better than meg
megaera is by far the meta choice, but sometimes you just wanna change things up y'know
latent moon
2 witch meg poggers
Dw with bad set ups you can also do the same thing with meg summon
stiff obsidian
it is however the best summon for c1%
swhats the record for that?\
stone rune
fastest i could find was 2.77 but no recording
here's a 2,87 with recording
from bablo
tepid light
brb claiming that dusa is the best summon just to make jazz go into conniptions
stiff obsidian
ive never gotten the first boon earlier than 1:06
static shoal
so uh
remember how Thunder Flourish has an internal cooldown that literally only matters on Chiron?
stone rune
it does not literally only matter on chiron
static shoal
does Thunder Strike have a cooldown too?
static shoal
do you know where in the game data can i find those two cooldowns?
stiff obsidian
for some reason i was expecting these kind of stuff to be done with zag sword
stone rune
but also it's called lightning strike
stone rune
do you know where in the game data can i find those two cooldowns?
ask in speedcord
static shoal
ask in speedcord
do you have a link?
stone rune
pinned in #self-promotion
stiff obsidian
i should check out that server
stiff obsidian
i mean like
static shoal
oh the modding server and the speedrunning server are run by the same person
makes sense, i guess
stiff obsidian
see the other channels and what they have
static shoal
0.15s or 0.16s
does any otherr Zeus boon have this cooldown?
stone rune
yeah
static shoal
is it shared among all applicable zeus boons?
stone rune
theres a lot of cooldowns in this game
support fire
sea storm
other stuff probably
static shoal
support fire chiron is quite decent
stone rune
support fire has 0.167s cooldown
native blade
lost hp doesnt matter if u dont have hc on
Huh, I thought for most people the goal was to maintain it.
static shoal
it fires off more than 2 bolts per chiron special
native blade
“We have lineups”
static shoal
it fires off more than 2 bolts per chiron special
i guess i also counted the support fire fired from the precursor attack
because yea it is two
wow
latent moon
it does not literally only matter on chiron
what else does the internal cooldown shaft
double strike?
stone rune
yeah it will affect double strike on zeus
it wont hit the same enemy
its still useful because it can hit other enemies
stone rune
yeah
maybe like
double nova sword
lol
thunder flourish with rarity is like kinda legit on sword tho
since the base damage is not that good
and it opens rod and jolted and whatever
oh maybe achilles
you take thunder flourish on achilles sometimes
for first zeus
latent moon
double nova is 0.2 sec im pretty sure
stone rune
in my review card told me to take special or non core on first zeus
latent moon
the better pony balance mod or whatever made the double nova hit faster
and i remember nyaanyaa saying that it makes thunder flourish not hit twice
latent moon
in my review card told me to take special or non core on first zeus
on achilles?
stone rune
yeah
latent moon
makes sense
thunder flourish is pretty handy tbh
from my like 6 total runs of achilles lmao
stone rune
C13 - This is one of the reasons why my first Zeus boon is either spec or non-core. Here you can either pivot to HB with Arty spec or take pp and go for Phalanx
because i got a natty arty
latent moon
C13 - This is one of the reasons why my first Zeus boon is either spec or non-co...
i'm assuming they meant arty attack?
latent moon
oh i see
didn't realize you had zeus atk
and it was an arty menu, so it's like
either hb or lp
stone rune
not gonna lie ive started being like rlly flexible on achilles buid tho
static shoal
maaaan the modding discord is dead
stone rune
they still answer questiosn if u ask
stone rune
not gonna lie ive started being like rlly flexible on achilles buid tho
cause like
the unmodded sub6 wr was zeus attack castless
my pb is true shot
i literlaly have frost strike sub7
but that sucked
theres a crush shot 5:09
latent moon
true achilles is just weird
stone rune
achilles is just rlly versatile
latent moon
i feel like if you have good chaos you can kinda make anything work
stone rune
its really hermes
latent moon
is it just epic rd lmao
latent moon
so is it just aspect of tidal dash
stone rune
cause dash and attacks are just so good
stone rune
the attack juice is the main way to make achilles ely nice
latent moon
that makes sense
stone rune
cause even though hunting blades is good its just not fun in ely
latent moon
yeah you do kinda have to actually attack other things lmao
stiff obsidian
how do you play chiron
it does 0 damage
i am shotting asteriius for 2 whole minutes
and he barely reached his phase
latent moon
you kinda just dont
stiff obsidian
latent moon
i mean what's the goal here lmao
stone rune
now your Chiron Aspect has 15% built in crit rate
latent moon
is it just a normal chiron clear or what
stiff obsidian
im trying 40 since everyone is talking about chiron
latent moon
chiron aotw moment
chiron 40 is kinda just like
get conc volley
and build heart rend
or any chunky special
latent moon
you have modded right
native blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/891012404345970758/c1_...
Rush Kick, nice.
stiff obsidian
yes
latent moon
yeah heart rend is fun
should work
if you find epic swift flourish you can do the big funnies
stiff obsidian
real
native blade
because why not?
It boosts mobility a lot imo, I zip across the map.
latent moon
epic swift flourish chains off the previous volley for conc volley
you can quite literally shred tanks if you can afford staying mobile for a bit
latent moon
yes
stiff obsidian
time to get heroic
latent moon
based
mint coral
latent moon
i thnk you can get 5 volleys with heroic but i cant confirm that
stiff obsidian
what in the chiron
latent moon
yeah it quite literally like
is stupid single target damage
it's like the one thing chiron is good at if you get epic swift flourish and conc volley
native blade
https://youtu.be/12c6o7wXwDA
Modded/Seeded?
latent moon
codex mod
you just take whatever boon you want and go into any fight you want more or less
stone rune
native blade
you just take whatever boon you want and go into any fight you want more or less
Nuce.
native blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1163528904250773584/i...
Thx.
rose roost
huh i didn't your call just ends during phase transition
stone rune
it should be codex
stiff obsidian
is stupid single target damage
unfortunately hades the game has multiple targets
static shoal
https://youtu.be/12c6o7wXwDA
god i love chiron
stiff obsidian
i would love all bows if i could ever hit a pest or numbskul on the first try
stone rune
rama
latent moon
lmfao
stone rune
just bounce the special
stiff obsidian
the autoaim literally throws me off
im about to hit it and then autoaim turns me off my 30 degress
latent moon
just bounce the special
some walls kinda just eat it
stone rune
10
latent moon
at point blank for normal bow it's 90
stone rune
per arrow 10
latent moon
for chiron it's 80
stone rune
80 on chiron
latent moon
yea
stone rune
cause -1 arrow
stiff obsidian
oh i misremembered then
latent moon
yeah you weren't entirely wrong tbf
stiff obsidian
chiron should be a hammer
stiff obsidian
i heard something about peircing volley working funny is it detrimental?
latent moon
It shortens it a bit
static shoal
it does, but it's not that noticable
static shoal
you don't want to stay at max range for chiron anyway
and it helps SO much against Theseus
and kinda greatshields too
formal orbit
Ngl, if i want to do 40+ chiron, i just play bad zag bow lmao
short glen
Anything that pierces is good in my book
static shoal
not nearly as good as other piercing hammers of aspects but
short glen
I despise greatshields
static shoal
it's still piercing
static shoal
Anything that pierces is good in my book
tthe problem is that the precursor attack does not pierce
latent moon
Yeah that's why I think it's just personal preference lmao
static shoal
so you still need to aim that
stiff obsidian
yo my swordsman legit double jumped across the room like hes in asphodel
is this normal?
static shoal
yes
formal orbit
Everyone hate chariot that for sure
static shoal
i hate flame wheels more
static shoal
yes that's normal
short glen
I think I hate every ely enemy
stone rune
yo my swordsman legit double jumped across the room like hes in asphodel
they can do that
static shoal
especially if you have bp on the pact
stone rune
if they want
stiff obsidian
thats so cursed
static shoal
the speed-granting benefit also makes them jump farther
short glen
Shame they can't glitch through the wall like that. That'd be funny
static shoal
but tthey don't need bp to be able to make that jump anyway
short glen
Random bug that ends your record pace run
static shoal
There is a hera run with cast stuck at the dad fight iirc
hey that happened to me before!
stiff obsidian
static shoal
Then it regenerated there
how the f---
like i get phasing into there like no clip
but also something died there?
mint coral
I probably killed it without noticing thwn the weapon dropped there
formal orbit
Did you manage to change the internal cooldown @static shoal
static shoal
Did you manage to change the internal cooldown <@329946253221691404>
oh, right, i should get to that
i got distracted
formal orbit
That make zeus call straight up broken
The internal cooldown apply to zeus call too
latent moon
is the internal cooldown the thing stopping the call from spamming lmao
i guess that makes sense
but yeah chiron if it was actually good
55*8 kinda good lmao
formal orbit
Is serrated point good for speedrun?
static shoal
Did you manage to change the internal cooldown <@329946253221691404>
so apparently just setting the cooldown to 0 freaking crashes the game
static shoal
how much time do you guys think is between one special bolt hitting and another special bolt hitting?
static shoal
Maybe like 0.05
yeah that makes sense
static shoal
Yeah don’t do that, you would break the call
also i think this is only gonna affect Thunder Flourish
not Zeus's Aid/Lightning Strike
latent moon
well not strike for sure
thunder and lightning are different in this game
zeus aid is a maybe
short glen
Hm. Can other things have their cooldowns changed?
latent moon
Hm. Can other things have their cooldowns changed?
probably but i dont think it matters much at all
it's just like
static shoal
Hm. Can other things have their cooldowns changed?
yes but i cannot find Support Fire's cooldown
latent moon
thunder flourish chiron is the biggest thing
static shoal
thunder flourish chiron is the biggest thing
support fire too
short glen
I've heard gilga dash cooldown is annoying
static shoal
support fire chiron
latent moon
support fire too
that's like not that big lmao
static shoal
support fire is already very decent on chiron
formal orbit
It does not work with every arrow
short glen
Yes!
stone rune
i mean
formal orbit
I don’t think that how sf work
formal orbit
It just when you cast
mint coral
Attacl and special too
formal orbit
It fire an arrow
stone rune
static shoal
itd also increase eris dps
no, support fire already triggers on every single rail hit
latent moon
i think if you dash strike the shots it might go under it
also we're venturing into territory where it makes relentless volley better than conc i thnk lmao
static shoal
I don’t think that how sf work
sf triggers when you
a. HIT an attack/special
b. CLICK cast
static shoal
also we're venturing into territory where it makes relentless volley better than...
well, very much yes
formal orbit
Yeah, i think it fire an arrow the moment you press special
Not for when each arrow hit
static shoal
Yeah, i think it fire an arrow the moment you press special
no
stone rune
its on hit
static shoal
it fires 2 arrows per chiron special because of the internal cooldown
formal orbit
Does it work with meme beam?
latent moon
no
static shoal
you mean lucifer?
latent moon
for cast it's on press not on hit
stone rune
meme beam is dem cast
static shoal
oh cbeam
latent moon
for attack and special it's on hit
formal orbit
Yeah, i only play meme beam, explain the misunderstanding
Not an chiron expert lmao
static shoal
Yeah, i only play meme beam, explain the misunderstanding
i already did
stone rune
nobody calls it crystal beam
static shoal
sf triggers when you
a. HIT an attack/special
b. CLICK cast
here
latent moon
meme beam generally always refers to dem cast
stiff obsidian
good luck to the person tryin g to speedrun chiron
static shoal
M E M E B E A M
stone rune
it's chiron week this week
static shoal
i love this name
stone rune
we've already seen action from bablo and mystic
formal orbit
You should play it like bad zag bow tbh
stone rune
speedrunning chiron is definitely masochistic
formal orbit
For anything over 50
stone rune
it is the slowest aspect in the game by far
static shoal
Hades?
stone rune
yea u cant ME on chiron
latent moon
it's been attempted
static shoal
i'm making a terrible ME joke
stone rune
yeah
latent moon
in regards to speedrunning i'm like a good bit above average but not like top level lmao
formal orbit
Oh hey, angel did what chiron is meant to do lmao https://youtu.be/4J_C1qnrpoM?si=ejOdndU3Ytazpaym
latent moon
lmfao
stone rune
i dont think any top players r active here
latent moon
resetting for epic special is so based
latent moon
i dont think any top players r active here
oh yeah we're like the only speedrunners here lmao
somenoobdying too
latent moon
he's mainly heat grinder yeah
latent moon
yeah she pops in every now and then
latent moon
sometimes cgull
stone rune
yeah also very occasioanlly
stiff obsidian
is hera just cast pom and win?
latent moon
but yeah in regards to like speedrunner grinders it's kinda just jazz and me
stone rune
and also good hermes
stiff obsidian
priv status??
latent moon
no
stiff obsidian
oh
jagged hamlet
but yeah in regards to like speedrunner grinders it's kinda just jazz and me
Good cop bad cop
stiff obsidian
40 heat is just 32 with hl5
stone rune
you dont hl5 at 32?
latent moon
yeah for speed it's def no but for heat i'm kinda seeing both sides lmao
stiff obsidian
no
latent moon
40 heat is just 32 with hl5
i mean yeah but also bp2 super armor can cuck hera
at both 32 and 40
but it should be fine
stone rune
i would just not play hera heat
stiff obsidian
yes i will use summon
stone rune
hera badge
stiff obsidian
just 40
latent moon
lmao 40 isn't too bad
flip a coin for pstatus or ff
i dont think it matters that much unless you never get pstatus
just take dio atk
stiff obsidian
pstatus is annoying because its another thing you have to aim for
latent moon
that's standard fo2 32 heat pact lmao
stiff obsidian
ohh
stiff obsidian
i guess i kind of took fo2 for granted lmao
latent moon
i mean false side has been doing 40 and 50s lmao
you'll be fine for hera 40
it's better than chiron
stiff obsidian
ill do ap2
stone rune
have fun getting poms
latent moon
lmfao
if you're doing ap2 just do like sytgian soul
every 3 seconds you get good damage on an arrow
stiff obsidian
have fun getting poms
ri2 so theres nothing that steals them 👍
stiff obsidian
actually i will
stone rune
what are u even taking then
latent moon
i mean on top of the fo2 32 heat pact
it's just like ri2 and uh
hl5 lmao
honestly doable
jagged hamlet
Norartemis like "ugh, why do I bother with some lesser god"
latent moon
ap2 ri2 zag bow at 32 heat is fun
or at least i found it fun
found it so fun i even did it unmodded
stiff obsidian
ah so thats why i couldnt find my casts
latent moon
is it because you keep missing the casts or because the enemies have too much hp
sounds like ely tbf
latent moon
mood
stiff obsidian
the pact is actually free
stiff obsidian
had like 6 poms by asphodel
latent moon
although the special is pretty easy to miss
stiff obsidian
wrail spoiled me
stiff obsidian
does it lodge?
stiff obsidian
flood shot is amazing for rooms but then i dont do any boss damage
latent moon
i think blizzard shot isn't too bad
from what i remember
but it's been like ages since i've got it
static shoal
ugh it's gonna lag so much but i'm gonna record some of my run
latent moon
lmfao based
you could like record your screen with a phone
that's what nalei is doing atm
oh god dammit dyno
stiff obsidian
latent moon
but like you can jank it
stiff obsidian
latent moon
too lazy to alt tab moment
i've done it a few times but most of the time i just screenshot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/1163307301382406214/image.png?ex=653f1959&is=652ca459&hm=2f9fee7b42f0db5ec0c3eafeb60b396746b6dbe577c6531dd2ce113b96b53b70&=&width=430&height=381
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/1163311005598748722/recordingsetup.png?ex=653f1ccd&is=652ca7cd&hm=9ad03f12966fa077a79bfdd0e6e92534c624e91acd9fad6293c7a49ae4fae19b&=&width=893&height=670
but yeah jank set up to record your screen can work
the only thing that wont work is that you wont be able to see damage numbers that well
which is kinda the whole idea of thunder flourish chiron lmao
jagged hamlet
Chloe ❤️
stiff obsidian
can you get flurry cast with hera?
latent moon
prob not
stiff obsidian
to unlock greater recal
stiff obsidian
so only way is plume?
latent moon
for greater recall
stiff obsidian
oh