question, how does ice wine (dionysus and demeter duo) work with beowulf cast
#h1-discussion
tepid light
runic jungle
So question
How can you keep track of when you can use companion summons in battle?
Or whatever the term for the keepsakes are.
tepid light
i am currently being offered it
and i want to make sure i don't mess up my build
does it work in the same way as the flare
formal orbit
More damage i think
raw herald
There’s a longer delay with the casts coming out
tepid light
i'm being cautious because i once took curse of drowning with beowulf
and that was a big mistake
raw herald
Mirage shot is better by far
mint coral
question, how does ice wine (dionysus and demeter duo) work with beowulf cast
Common shot from chaos but it adds a delay
I don't like it
mint coral
Well, it’s good, not great
Yeah (for the mirage part)
tepid light
There’s a longer delay with the casts coming out
Yeah I see what you meant
But dad down
Lots of damage
brisk trail
So question
How can you keep track of when you can use companion summons in batt...
how so?
mint coral
So question
How can you keep track of when you can use companion summons in batt...
Once per combat
formal orbit
But dad down
How many dd you usually use at dad?
runic jungle
Once per combat
Ooh okay thanks
tepid light
How many dd you usually use at dad?
All of them
formal orbit
Yeah, now i want to try it
tepid light
em4, or my pact as a whole?
stiff obsidian
do em4 ri4
tepid light
my pact, if nothing else, will make you really earn your victory
mint coral
As long as there isn't td in play you can turtke your way out yeah
dapper sun
wary iron
I didn’t think was possible
tepid light
GOT HIM
Hera with 5 poseidon casts
and 2 sec dislodge time
I would have been pretty upset if I lost with that build
sweet cave
have anyone tried max chiron bow with zeus on special ?
if u get jolted with the legendry boon like its a nuke and zeus call to put the cherry on top
stone rune
have anyone tried max chiron bow with zeus on special ?
it has an internal cooldown]
so its not that good
just like every other chiron build
sweet cave
it has an internal cooldown]
what does that mean?
sweet cave
why did it do so much damage then
stone rune
i doubt it did
sweet cave
well i melted hades easily
stone rune
how long did it tak
sweet cave
the whole run or just hades
stone rune
hades
sweet cave
do i need to one shot him to it be considered much damage?
sweet cave
i mean if u count the down times isnt that like 20 secs only
stone rune
instaphase times range from 23 to 26s
sweet cave
i didnt say it is
stone rune
or melty
sweet cave
ok
upper wolf
nah chiron+zeus sucks, but zeus can carry about anything if you stack enough boons
you just take thunder something + jolted + call + billowing + double strike + legendary and really you could hit enemies with a spoon and they'd still die
stone rune
shy cipher
hey guys, I'm wanting to make a custom playmat for a card game that I play and I think some hades art would look super cool on it. anybody have any screenshots of cool art/cutscenes and stuff that I could use? thanks.
stiff obsidian
spash dash or hunter dash on rama
shy cipher
Supergiant themselves have a neat .zip of artwork and screenshots on their site
this is amazing, thank you so much
leaden belfry
1 hit lernie
how on eris?
raw herald
Delta chamber gives i frames on dash strikes
brisk trail
hades 2 pls
upper wolf
Nah let them cook
brisk trail
which brightness do y'all play Hades on?
I had to set it a bit higher otherwise I can't see anything in darker areas like Erebus/EM4
could be my monitor 
its an IPS though
brisk trail
I used to play at max brightness
😲 wow
glad to know I'm not the only one
regular brightness feels so dark... I usually never have to set it up
Hollow Knight also asks you to set it up in the beggining and I never had to
mint coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/896859166453428264/2021101017375900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg before
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1144834700641304676/image.png?ex=651d83a6&is=651c3226&hm=10f7d500467b6fe1cb36e7e2e4bf594d21dc828e2904b74c4fc9d4d92788c6ee&=&width=1202&height=676 now
latent moon
lmfao based
latent moon
max brightness on that end screen is a flashbang tho
mint coral
oh yeah I swear in game it looks better lmao
formal orbit
I still do max brightness when playing em4
does that even work?
brisk trail
first time I went to Erebus I had it set to default and couldn't see anything
drowsy linden
which brightness do y'all play Hades on?
i do whatever default is, plus 40-50% on my own pc
brisk trail
sweet 
drowsy linden
blood and darkness->blood and brightness
hades, god of the dead->hades, god of the blind
mint coral
ty
jagged hamlet
Oh, I was wondering who that was. No wonder she looks deranged
mint coral
oh yeah forgot to mention, when I played on full brightness that was on switch lol
brisk trail
OLED or regular?
mint coral
regular
brisk trail
ohh
drowsy linden
got ball miniboss in erebus
it teleported onto me
jagged hamlet
You have been chosen
upper wolf
Pssh, nothing personnel kid
tepid light
finished 29 heat, turning on heightened security again
or maybe
hm
yeah i'll give it another try
stiff obsidian
does taking chaos gate use up the first boon mod thing even though it doesnt give u 4
spark elk
Hey, I have a sort of weird question: Is there somewhere where I can get pictures of Hades' item icons? Like the thread of Ariadne, Tinge of Erebus, etc...? I could screenshot the game, but maybe there's a better way?
void vigil
they are on the wiki
upper wolf
me going into an achilles run "I'll start ares cast and try to see if I got hunting blade or full attack flurry jab"
second room : chaos offers me +97% cast damage
hunting blade it is then
(still got flurry jab though, but with a common deadly strike with no poms)
strong ridge
2v1s zag but calls zag rat
stiff obsidian
does swift strike help zeus eris or does it already shoot it fast enough to hit the internal cooldown
with delta chamber
formal orbit
tried 🍝 🛡️ , get chaos, shop, doomstone, bouldy, than and survival room
then tis show up
2:30 tart because I'm noob
what is considered a good tart, I'm not really that into speedrunning
mint coral
Depends on your goal really
tepid light
I feel like I'm already reaching the point in heat where certain aspects just don't work
Though maybe my pact has something to do with that
latent moon
sub2 is probably really hard
Sub2 tart is only for like sub6 lol
stone rune
it depends
latent moon
It's like "necessary" for it kinda not really
stone rune
on like achilles sub2 tart is for sub7
stiff obsidian
i think i should have asked this much earlier but
how do you build eris?
specifically what dash and special do you want
and what is an ideal god pool
raw herald
Tidal dash, deadly flourish
As for 4th god, they’re all pretty solid imo
The core 3 are more important
stiff obsidian
ah ive been doing it really different then
upper wolf
blood. and. darkness
I'm doing a hades spear run
I want deadly strike, right ?
I take arte keepsake obv
First arte : common deadly strike. I reroll. Common deadly strike. I reroll again. No deadly strike
tepid light
What heat are you playing
30, but i understand my pact is rather unique compared to other peoples'
stone rune
First arte : common deadly strike. I reroll. Common deadly strike. I reroll agai...
why did u roll it
tepid light
inb4 "rarity means nothing"
latent moon
My brother in Christ
Deadly strike rarity is kinda worthless lmao
You take deadly strike for the crit chance, not the % bonus
upper wolf
... now that you say it, it's probably the aspect/boon combination where rarity matters the less huh
I'm still angy
latent moon
Rarity only really matters on doom rarity lmao
And to an extent aphro strike and special
latent moon
Oh yeah Hermes and chaos
upper wolf
But I'm still salty af about it è_é
Like, what are the odds ?
anyway, now that makes me wonder : what do you pom on hades spear ? You want deadly strike for crit not %, flourish is useless, dash can be useless (divine dash notably). just focus all on, like, PP or cast or tidal dash if you get that ?
stone rune
on hades you do ME
upper wolf
well
true
but I don't like ME
I have more fun trying to play the aspects in different way, otherwise yeah basically all melee aspect except maybe shields are ME
tepid light
yeah like if you want to be 'optimal' and just clear things as fast as possible then you'll have to be willing to restrict yourself to a select few aspects and builds
which i'm sure many people are alright with doing
but the game has a lot of variety in weapons and builds for a reason
mint coral
anyway, now that makes me wonder : what do you pom on hades spear ? You want dea...
The other hades spear build is GY but you want 2 hammers instead (exploding and charged)
mint coral
If you are doing aphro special just pom that, if you are doing crit can pom hunter's mark
tepid light
is there actually a consistent definition of 'casual clear'
upper wolf
32 clear
tepid light
or is it just "whatever the person wants to do at the moment"
latent moon
is there actually a consistent definition of 'casual clear'
Tbf heat and speed do not use the spin at all lmfao
upper wolf
but yeah very "whatever the person wants at the moment" for me
latent moon
But kinda just whatever tbh
tepid light
because when i hear 'casual' i imagine 'no heat at all mess around with builds and aspects'
latent moon
For 32 I do recommend exploding launcher and charged skewer tho
latent moon
because when i hear 'casual' i imagine 'no heat at all mess around with builds a...
I mean yeah pretty much
stone rune
Tbf heat and speed do not use the spin at all lmfao
you do use it on occasion
latent moon
Idk what the goal was before
mint coral
Do serrated :croven:
stone rune
cause the base damage isnt nothing
latent moon
Eh
latent moon
Could just not and be fine lmao
upper wolf
yeah, true, I guess I don't really have to bother about thinking about my poms too hard
I'll just go with whatever makes the most sense to me
stiff obsidian
are there any undeflectable attacks
stone rune
yes
stiff obsidian
which ones
stiff obsidian
shockwaves
so just the headslam miniboss
stone rune
dad has shockwave
stiff obsidian
oh right
upper wolf
EM3 asterius also has a shockwave on his axe slam
latent moon
i'm pretty sure that can be deflected lmao
at least i've heard that all heroes attacks can be deflected
jagged hamlet
Ditto re: Asterius's shockwave
leaden belfry
For 32 I do recommend exploding launcher and charged skewer tho
is that just a poor mans bow
latent moon
More like poor man's guan yu
So therefore hestia with extra steps
But also kinda bow
wary iron
You just gotta click one more button
leaden belfry
150 base damage for each 12 bullets
i deserve to feel good
with double strike
sorry
no
legendery
god boons
like zeus legendeary
it cant be pommed can it
latent moon
why not just make every shot empowered
Because unfortunately, game balance is a thing
We'll ignore Beowulf and Gilgamesh since those were added at the end and got little play testing lmao
upper wolf
I can't believe beo stole all the strength from gilgamesh
leaden belfry
Gilgamesg should have a cast feature
latent moon
It technically does
Maim increases damage taken
So if you cast it should deal more damage to them
Global debuff makes it take more damage from summons too lmao
lament estuary
Artemis on Attack + ZagBow stacks the crit chance, right?
latent moon
Yes
lament estuary
cool
latent moon
Crit chance stacks additively
thorn anvil
oh lmao
latent moon
So you're working off of 45% and epic marked is like idk a lot lmao
jagged hamlet
And maybe Artemis & Athena Duo!
latent moon
Oh yeah that too
wary iron
Doesn’t poison also add extra crit chance with the duo boon?
wary iron
And you can get extra crit chance with the duo boon with dyo and Aphrodite, that allows idk 7 or 8 stacks of poison I think?
mint coral
yeah 12% crit with that
stone rune
I don't think 100% crit chance is even possible without mods tho lol
not that bad
ive had it
wary iron
There’s also a single boon from arty that adds like 2% on everything right? That adds up quite a bit we’d be above 100 if marked is like 40 right?
latent moon
It's just that marked is kinda very temporary and doesn't work that well in like dad fight
jagged hamlet
Somehow crit doesn't feel quite as impactful as it did in Bastion
mint coral
almost anything was a high dmg weapon in bastion, also less options so just slapping crits through the full hp one or the 33% hp one are always good takes
here you also may just want consistency through boost like aphro
cuz the crits are still insanely chunky but doesn't matter if the game hates you lmao
lament estuary
Is it just me, or are the god keepsakes just so boring
I wish more of them could be like Hermes' Keepsake where it's just an effect that has a relation to what he does
stone rune
Is it just me, or are the god keepsakes just so boring
the god keepsakes are core to the game
without god keepsakes the game is instantly 10x less fun
jagged hamlet
I think giving the Olympians' keepsakes more functions would kinda overload them, making them all-or-nothing keepsakes kinda like Pierced Butterfly
Would make building up boons quite a tradeoff too
stone rune
i guarantee without god keepsakes the community for this game would either not exist on the level it does or would have created a mod that does the same thing
lament estuary
eh, idk I think it'd be more fun if they at least had some kind of other effect
like maybe instead of the better rarity chances they gave some other effect
stone rune
the better rarity is basically just a placeholder
so that the upgrade on the keepsakes changes something
jagged hamlet
How far is Brandon into the game, especially heat levels?
stone rune
the main function is the forcing and that’s what matters
jagged hamlet
I don't disagree that they're a bit "boring", but they're very useful as they are right now
lament estuary
I just think it'd be more interesting if they did something other than manipulate rng
doesn't have to be something like pierced butterfly or lambent plume exactly but I'd like if they did something else
stone rune
it might be more interesting but jt would be poorer design
the way they work now is perfect
jagged hamlet
The other keepsakes can be the interesting ones
Someone's gotta be boring but dependable
upper wolf
tbh I wouldn't mind having more/better ways to alleviate RNG
but yeah I don't think the keepsakes are really an issue
jagged hamlet
HAMMER REROLLS pls
upper wolf
It's kinda hard to balance RNG so that runs stay really different/new/fun but without making the game a diceroller with a minigame attached y'know
ionic hemlock
A god keepsake proposal: it acts as a “extra attack boon” and can give you two attack boons at once (if you had Artemis attack and Zeus keepsake you get chain lightning and crit chance)
upper wolf
Hades is pretty on point, but I think it could stand to lean a bit more toward run manipulation
upper wolf
A god keepsake proposal: it acts as a “extra attack boon” and can give you two a...
ngl it legit sounds more boring :p it means you would likely keep the same keepsake through your whole run because it's the best one for your build
like if you could stack twice the same attack, eris would keep zeus all the way through
jagged hamlet
ngl it legit sounds more boring :p it means you would likely keep the same keeps...
High five
upper wolf
if you can't stack two zeus, you'd just take aphro/arte on every attack aspect
ionic hemlock
Imagine that on Rama
upper wolf
... Which means you'd actually have more RNG because you wouldn't be able to manipulate the god pool as much
ionic hemlock
JUICY critt
upper wolf
but tbh y'all were talking about boredom, not RNG
jagged hamlet
I feel like most of the keepsakes are in a good spot: they do like one or maaaybe one-and-a-half things, and they do them well
lament estuary
A god keepsake proposal: it acts as a “extra attack boon” and can give you two a...
what if each god keepsake acted as a weaker version of one of their lesser boons?
so, for arti, for example, her keepsake would guarantee a boon from her and could also give, say, Pressure Points
jagged hamlet
Still sounds very powerful
Controlling very important RNG and getting extra benefits is like crazy good
lament estuary
HAMMER REROLLS pls
hammers are definitely one of the worst gameplay things in the game because of both a lack of balance and a lack of rerolls
a lot of hammer effects are just kinda nothing
honestly the lack of rerolls would be fine on hammers if all the upgrades they could give were actually good
last veldt
Hammers are fine. They can make a run stunning but should rarely break it. And sometimes you build into the one you got and get a surprise (unless it's world splitter, that's just rubbish).
lament estuary
I think the weird gimmicky ones should probably more be kept to aspects or something
especially stuff like cursed slash
for the sword
mint coral
Sword hammers 
lament estuary
anyway, regarding god keepsakes, if they're essentially mandatory (especially at higher heats), then maybe manipulating which god appears and keepsakes should be different things
stone rune
also the game is actually so boring at the start wow
idk how this hooked me
takes like 2000 years to kill anything
jagged hamlet
jazz is that one death screen about mundanity
lament estuary
anyway, regarding god keepsakes, if they're essentially mandatory (especially at...
seriously though
lament estuary
if manipulating god rng is so important maybe it should just be its own mechanic
stone rune
its chill ill just get flurry jab
stone rune
yeah thtas insane
stone rune
man
mint coral
Just trade your gems for keys rn I guess lol
stone rune
im broke on gems
mint coral
Rip
lament estuary
anyway my most recent run went really well
lament estuary
I took literally 0 damage on hades because lmao acorn
mint coral
Any reason you are doing new file?
mint coral
bro how do you even get any unlocks this is obscene
Also how early did you escape
stone rune
run 4
mint coral
I wonder why you haven't unlocked anything then
jagged hamlet
Do it!
jagged hamlet
Serrated for the new player pick
mint coral
Serrated sounds more fun than praying for exploding
mint coral
which is that again
Triple dash strike, -25% dash distance
Spear
jagged hamlet
It's fun though. It's like playing a very mobile woodchipper
mint coral
"mobile"
lament estuary
probably only worth if your dashstrike is busted already
jagged hamlet
Well yes. Mobile for a woodchipper
mint coral
Chaos -dash curse ain't fun why would I want a permanent one
also somewhat applies to gilga lmao
jagged hamlet
So you don't dash into lava during Lernie 
I unironically welcome dash nerfs before meeting Lernie
mint coral
lament estuary
at least with gilgamesh you get more dashes
and gilgamesh existing give the alt dash mirror ability a reason to exist
lament estuary
yeah the game really wants you to have to work for the various currencies early on
gems are really hard to get for something that you randomly find cause you can't really trade for them so the only way to get them early is by finding a random room that has it as a reward
getting gems more easily is something that needs to be bought
stone rune
man this is a drag
i could have beat the game 3 times in the amount of time it has taken me to exit ely
drowsy linden
getting gems more easily is something that needs to be bought
gemstones are hell to get without vanquishers keep
lament estuary
the difficuly of getting gemstones before and after vanquishers keep is literally night and day
It's such a massive difference
jagged hamlet
Also, fishing!
drowsy linden
if only there were a similar way for darkness
||no i will not redo bounties||
jagged hamlet
Just fish in chaos ezpz not rare at all
drowsy linden
ive gotten 2 chaos fish
the first time i didnt know how fishing worked
latent moon
if only there were a similar way for darkness
||no i will not redo bounties||
Just mod in resources easy
lament estuary
getting darkness from bosses should've been a thing you can buy instead of a replacement for the 1st time reward
just have the normal replacement be coins or something
or just nothing tbh
visual iris
Does the bonuses from the pierced butterfly and herme's keepsake only stay if you are equipping them?
stone rune
yes
visual iris
Ok
And what does faster special from hermes do on the zeus shield?
I heard it makes the return and shield movement speed faster?
mint coral
no but not uncommon to happen
visual iris
I got zeus, posiedon, aphro, dio, and artemis
mint coral
did you use another god keepsake when already at 4 gods?
visual iris
No
mint coral
yeah that can happen sometimes
visual iris
Thanks
lament estuary
Does the bonuses from the pierced butterfly and herme's keepsake only stay if yo...
This is part of why I think god keepsakes need to be their own non-keepsake mechanic
Pierced butterfly and lambent plume aren't usable because god keepsakes are essentially required
visual iris
This is part of why I think god keepsakes need to be their own non-keepsake mech...
They don't give you that much anyways
Just allow the stat buffs to transfer over when you take them off
lament estuary
Just allow the stat buffs to transfer over when you take them off
This doesn't make them much better
That still has the issue of not really being able to use them early game
Just have a separate mechanic where you can choose the 1st god of each area and give all the god keepsakes new effects
visual iris
That still has the issue of not really being able to use them early game
Nah you can use them early in tartarus for some minor buffs
lament estuary
The God keepsakes being necessary for the rng manipulation is understandable but them making other keepsakes significantly less viable in comparison is super lame
jagged hamlet
A lot of other keepsakes have decent usage though
lament estuary
If something is so overpowered that it's almost necessary, then it should either be nerfed, removed or made into its own mechanic that doesn't overshadow other things
mint coral
most people don't really use god keepsakes from what I've seen tbh
you need to be told how good they are most of the time
lament estuary
Aspect balance and keepsake balance aren't really the same thing
That's like a different discussion
jagged hamlet
Acorn, Spearpoint, Coinpurse, Bone Hourglass, Shackle, and Sigil still see lots of use though
It's not like it's just entirely Olympians' keepsakes
lament estuary
Well tbf
The God keepsakes are unusable in Styx
Or at the very least they're never something you want there
visual iris
I honestly like Zag fists
I just pair zeus with the normal attack
And lots of damage
visual iris
Acorn, Spearpoint, Coinpurse, Bone Hourglass, Shackle, and Sigil still see lots ...
Shackle?
Why would you use that in a normal run?
lament estuary
Why would you use that in a normal run?
It's fine in the first area
It's bad after that though
visual iris
But wouldn't you rather equipe a god keepsake to get a build?
jagged hamlet
Shackle is a build onto itself
latent moon
shackle is a strat for speedrunning
lament estuary
Dude ap sucks
visual iris
ap?
latent moon
latent moon
cgull's 50 heat rama^
lament estuary
The pact that makes you unable to choose your boon
It's one of the most unfun pacts in the game by far
latent moon
yeah more or less
but shackle does has it's uses
more so than other keepsakes lmao
lament estuary
Please remove approval process in hades 2 thanks
latent moon
i'd be fine if it was capped at ap1 tbh
visual iris
Also
latent moon
ap1 isn't too bad imo
visual iris
I'm gonna be attempting 32 heat
latent moon
festive
lament estuary
Underworld customs is a much more interesting version of a similar idea
visual iris
What's the most fun combination?
latent moon
hold on i have a pact
latent moon
Just fun
you can do hl4 instead of hl5
you dont have to copy the aspect/build btw
i lowkey kinda found this fun except for the em4 part
do note that this is nowhere close to the recommended 32 pact
lament estuary
Why damage control
latent moon
and that this could have been a 40 heat run lmao
visual iris
you can do hl4 instead of hl5
hl?
latent moon
Why damage control
to make it cursed
jagged hamlet
Half-Life
latent moon
and to jack up the time as much as possible
visual iris
Oh ok
latent moon
the idea here was to take all the time consuming pacts
visual iris
Why not forced overtime?
lament estuary
Sorry if I'm being too sassy. In some pain atm
Have you tried turning it off and on again
visual iris
Have you tried drinking water
formal orbit
Which keepsake is the worst, I’m thinking dusa’s duster
Feel like dusa also has the worst companion too
jagged hamlet
Dusa cute though, and she does like damage. She's all like "ssspew sssspew ssspeeew". Skelly, on the other hand just sits there and gets beaten
Dusa's duster isn't bad if you're new. I cast my vote on Myrmidon Bracer
stone rune
Which keepsake is the worst, I’m thinking dusa’s duster
distant memory
nobody tell vowel person
aoeui
awewi
formal orbit
Distant memory need to be as far as sniper shot?
short glen
Than's seems really bad tbh
jagged hamlet
jazz wins!
short glen
I think than's is the one with the damage for not getting hit right?
jagged hamlet
Yep. Pierced Buttterfree
short glen
It seems really useless for most players.
signal aspen
distant memory
distant memory best keepsake
short glen
Now if you could KEEP the damage buff after taking it off, you could farm damage early in tart where avoiding attacks is easy even for people who aren't high level players and then take it off later
short glen
I mean yeah, but it would at least be a bit better
formal orbit
Wait, now theseus looks like a coward lmao
short glen
Don't run TD with it :P
lament estuary
if I block an attack with the shield, does it still use up a charge of acorn?
stone rune
no
stone rune
Lady Aphrodite
runic jungle
Likely a dumb question but better safe than sorry I think.
For the hidden aspects, I need to invest 5 titan blood in each separate weapon, right?
stone rune
yes
runic jungle
It's definitely gonna take forever for me to unlock every one then lol.
I'm already struggling getting lucifer bc zues is being annoying.
Is it possible for them to say the waking word if you get the boons from charons shop?
lament estuary
bro I just had an unkillable build lmao
for the hades fight I had acorn + shield + athena's legendary boon
I still had 1 acorn charge at the end
mint coral
It's definitely gonna take forever for me to unlock every one then lol.
I'm alre...
I don't think so but this is just from my own experience
lament estuary
question about the acorn/athena's legendary
if you have dodge chance, will it check for dodge chance if the acorn/athena shield is still active?
latent moon
What's the best God in everyone's opinions?
quite very build dependent lmao
stone rune
ok what about this one though
you are only allowed to keep one god keepsake
all the others get shot and killed
which one do you keep
me i keep pos
because pos start works on literally everything
it might not be yoptimal on some stuff but like
yea
latent moon
lowkey cursed tbh lmao
formal orbit
Zeus is op tbh
lament estuary
athena dash is really good
latent moon
athena dash is really good
on the other hand, she doesn't provide that much damage lmao
it's average damage i guess so it's not terrible
lament estuary
who cares about low damage if you can't take any
as long as TD isn't on it's fine
lament estuary
TD needs a minor rework
latent moon
how so
latent moon
buying 30 seconds kinda a lot ngl lmao
lament estuary
TD should further reduce RNG
latent moon
i will say that td not effecting styx tunnels is a pain
my only issue with td is the fact that ely blue men dont stop spawning
and styx
lament estuary
honestly
latent moon
i think the time constraints are relatively fine for like up to 45 heat
lament estuary
Hades 2 likely removing those awful elysium enemy types is gonna be nice
stone rune
nothing needs to be removed
latent moon
tbh the enemy type isn't annoying
stone rune
just making trickle spawns less bad
jagged hamlet
Flamewheels are the trickle spawn
lament estuary
nothing needs to be removed
enemies are likely gonna be all new anyway
latent moon
like at low heats it's not that much of a problem, but climbing heat and you crank up js, your td is getting shafted
lament estuary
or at the very least most of them
latent moon
enemies are likely gonna be all new anyway
but like the concept/idea of spawning will still be there
and trickle spawn will still be a thing
less trickle would be good
lament estuary
the flame wheels aren't that bad
latent moon
the flame wheels aren't the issue
it's the blue men lmao
flame wheels do trickle in but it's not as bad as blue men
blue men is a longer trickle and generally spawn like 2 at a time
maybe 3
lament estuary
the shield ones suck
lament estuary
having dio or ares to deal with them is nice
latent moon
they always spawn with shields facing to the right
so try to hit them starting from the left
lament estuary
at least there's consistency to them ig
formal orbit
it's just how many blue men spawn lmao
the asphodel blue man is scarier imo
latent moon
well they dont have the trickle spawn
formal orbit
especially lernie fight
lament estuary
I would simply not get hit by them
stone rune
Grue
lament estuary
Gru
formal orbit
drakons laser and shield or lava is my nightmare
or double damage drakon just straight up kill you
latent moon
Double damage speeder killed a few of my high heat runs on rama iirc lmao
Or at the minimum double damage
Sounds about right
Drakons are just cringe
Mood
runic jungle
Finally gave zag bow another shot.
I actually don't dislike it nearly as much
I just have to learn how to utilize the charged shots more since it's the main source of damage.
lament estuary
zagbow is how the basic aspects should be
simple yet strong
fr though what were they cooking with zag sword
easily the lamest and worst aspect
jagged hamlet
Chaos Shield dough
lament estuary
chaos shield is good
stone rune
what
formal orbit
zag rail with spread fire is decent i guess
tepid light
chaos shield just makes me sad
tepid light
don't badmouth my loves arthur and chiron and talos
feel free to badmouth chaos though
lament estuary
zagsword isn't even really a unique playstyle
jagged hamlet
Poor Talos is trying its best
tepid light
all the non arthur swords play very similarly
poseidon?
stone rune
yeah
stone rune
it’s just that nemesis will kill the enemies and the other two won’t
tepid light
I find myself basically never using my attack with poseidon
just cycling cast and special
runic jungle
Favorite part about zagbow so far is how artemis boons actually seem more useful with it lol.
I'm just... not looking forward to facing chariots with this weapon
stone rune
chariots are fine
jagged hamlet
Ranged vs chariots is pretty okay
Unless rail
Spray and dash while crying with rail
formal orbit
lucifer is the hardest aspect imo
tepid light
i can't count the number of times i've gotten punched by a chariot because all it needs to do is make contact with you to deal damage
lament estuary
lucifer is the hardest aspect imo
what about the healing spear one
isn't that like the worst aspect in the game
tepid light
don't talk to me about guan yu
formal orbit
nah, it's actually decent
jagged hamlet
Just gotta get Charged Skewer!
tepid light
just gotta pick a different aspect!
stone rune
isn't that like the worst aspect in the game
where do u get these takes from
gy is a good aspect
tepid light
where do u get these takes from
personal opinion
albeit phrased in a way that makes it sound like they're making an objective judgement
lament estuary
local internet user learns that other people can have different opinions from them
tepid light
i knew that would get jazz riled up
runic jungle
Most people dislike guan yu lol
stone rune
it’s not even on the bottom like 10
tepid light
Most people dislike guan yu lol
it's incredibly divisive, some people will defend it to the end, other people despise it
formal orbit
GY special dash strike x2 does a lot of damage
I haven't practiced it yet but watching other vod is eye opening
jagged hamlet
C Skewer Serrated Point 
lament estuary
I just really dislike the whole less health in exchange for healing gimmick on it
tepid light
Same, I feel like I'm walking on a tightrope when I play Guan Yu
tepid light
Especially given Hard Labor
lament estuary
In my experience it just makes it a glass cannon without enough cannon to make up for the glass
stone rune
the reduced hp isn’t that big a deal
tepid light
We've had this same argument a million times before
jagged hamlet
It really isn't since you're like yeeting the spear at enemies
formal orbit
stone rune
there’s a 58
formal orbit
he heal to full in a single than room
formal orbit
https://youtu.be/kgeijiLRy4E?si=KJ9oJVpF1vHsVFEJ&t=322
this is unmodded tho
and dc2 guan yu
stone rune
that is fine and is also very distinct from being a bad aspect
tepid light
I apreciat GY existing since it's so unique
Tbh same, I adore it thematically
I just hate actually using it
jagged hamlet
Understandable
It's pretty slow and clunky unless you get C Skewer and play like Special + 2x Dash-Strike
stone rune
i can say i don’t like playing hera even though it’s one of the best aspects in the game
that’s fine
but it would be incorrect to say that it is a bad aspect because of that
tepid light
I'm pretty sure Brandon was never intending on actually making an objective judgement on Guan Yu's ranking, despite the phrasing
tepid light
but it would be incorrect to say that it is a bad aspect because of that
But it would be fair to say "this is a bad aspect for me," no?
lament estuary
I'm pretty sure Brandon was never intending on actually making an objective judg...
I usually phrase my opinions like that
stone rune
But it *would* be fair to say "this is a bad aspect for me," no?
that sounds like a fake way of phrasing things
with 2 seconds of practice it could become a good aspect for you
jagged hamlet
jazz being like "I suck at Archilles spear" though. Similar, right?
tepid light
with 2 seconds of practice it could become a good aspect for you
That's manifestly false, some people just don't vibe with certain weapons/aspects
Like you just said with yourself and hera
stone rune
well the thing about hera is it’s still my 3rd fastest aspect
lament estuary
achilles spear is funny for me cause like, I usually just end up spamming attack lmao
stone rune
even though i don’t like it
formal orbit
I still hate beo even tho it's the best aspect in the game
stone rune
the same way achilles is my 2nd fastest even though i’m not that good at it
tepid light
well the thing about hera is it’s still my 3rd fastest aspect
Good for you, but personal preference still matters and 'liking' an aspect can go a long way in determining how you do on it
Like I'm sure I'd be able to do much better on Guan Yu if I didn't feel anxious and unpleasant while using it
stone rune
it’s still inherently based on the strengths of the aspect
drowsy linden
i hate sword
and then achilles is too spammy for me
lament estuary
I like poseidon
stone rune
achilles hard
formal orbit
spear is hammer dependent
tepid light
it’s still inherently based on the strengths of the aspect
One is far less willing to properly exploit and utilize the strengths of an aspect if they hate it
stone rune
One is far less willing to properly exploit and utilize the strengths of an aspe...
i have played like 4 total hours of hera and still have a 6:35 because it’s a good aspect
halcyon steeple
i hate sword
and then achilles is too spammy for me
use the hidden aspect of the sword
drowsy linden
use the hidden aspect of the sword
arthur is fun, but i play high heat
tepid light
i have played like 4 total hours of hera and still have a 6:35 because it’s a go...
Again, good for you
stone rune
use the hidden aspect of the sword
why would anyone do that
jagged hamlet
It's fun despite not being fast :^)
tepid light
Because Arthur do fun big numbers
stone rune
i would instead choose not to play arthur
halcyon steeple
cause arthur do big damage
drowsy linden
Because Arthur do fun big numbers
triple explosive rama:
tepid light
someday jazz and I will agree on something
lament estuary
can arthur get cursed slash
stone rune
yeah
jagged hamlet
Yes
stone rune
sucks though
lament estuary
ew
stone rune
even more than normal
lament estuary
that sounds terrible lmao
stone rune
maybe not that much more than normal
jagged hamlet
It is, but it can power through somehow
formal orbit
halcyon steeple
cursed slash really sucks tho
well shi what you like then
stone rune
wat
formal orbit
not saying it's good, it viable tho
jagged hamlet
I think jazz is married to Beowulf aspect
halcyon steeple
what weapon do you like
stone rune
i like playing beo and achilles
tepid light
brb modding the game so that you can take cursed slash on guan yu
-100% hp, here we go
stone rune
and nem
jagged hamlet
Beowulf more like BAE-o-wulf amirite
stone rune
and hestia
halcyon steeple
nice i like Beowulf too, like the burst.
drowsy linden
beo more like your enemies are a mirage
jagged hamlet
Shucks
jagged hamlet
But then he'd be like Theseus 🤮
tepid light
Think of it this way, he'd be beating Theseus at his own game
And humiliating him even more
jagged hamlet
Hm true
latent moon
what weapon do you like
Jazz is a meta die hard lmao
jagged hamlet
jazz keeps things stable around here with sheer tryhard energy
I guess Archilles saw that Zag only has two attack buttons and was like "nah"
tepid light
jazz goes dead silent whenever people talk about personal preference or experience
and then immediately starts typing whenever objective strength or meta is mentioned
latent moon
Lmfao
Any mention of Arthur or Chiron doing damage, jazz is there to say "absolutely not"
formal orbit
does arthur have the heat record for sword?
lament estuary
I actually really like zagfists + lambent plume even though I now it's not very good
halcyon steeple
Jazz is a meta die hard lmao
i just use whatever weapon / aspect that haven't cleared heat so that every weapon & aspect has the same record
tepid light
Any mention of Arthur or Chiron doing damage, jazz is there to say "absolutely n...
Someone: "this aspect is good"
jazz: "in high heat speedruns it sucks"
latent moon
does arthur have the heat record for sword?
Might be tied for 57
It's possible nem has a 58 tho
formal orbit
nem 58 is angel drunken strike
jagged hamlet
I wonder why Drunken Strike. Anybody happen to know?
latent moon
She keeps getting bad dad spawns lmao
latent moon
I wonder why Drunken Strike. Anybody happen to know?
Just need poms for damage
Instead of like crit boosting stuff
formal orbit
🦋 L
jagged hamlet
Ah, that's why I'm not a superb runner. Brilliant!
formal orbit
you can get to styx with drunk, then dead by td
latent moon
A nem run from angel earlier today
She said pace was dead already but also bruh lmao
stone rune
pog athena call
formal orbit
athena best call, change my mind
stone rune
dio and zeus existing
tepid light
dio and zeus existing
and like clockwork
jagged hamlet
Too bad about different sources of hangover overwriting damage ticks
lament estuary
are zeus and dio just the best gods in the game, generally speaking
stone rune
no
jagged hamlet
No. It really depends what you're building around
stone rune
the most generally applicable are zeus and pos
stone rune
tdash good
formal orbit
I thought artemis is consistent?
lament estuary
I thought artemis is consistent?
the funny thing is artemis is technically not consistent since the crits are based on luck
formal orbit
I mean artemis work with all aspect
tepid light
No Athena love?
latent moon
Athena works on all aspects in the sense that ddash and DD cheese is good
lament estuary
athena dash is great
formal orbit
more DD is always welcome
tepid light
You just can't really go wrong with Athena imo
stiff obsidian
Am I the only one who take Athena for the sole purpose of sure footing
latent moon
Lmao I mean I won't say no to sure footing but I won't force her for it
tepid light
Am I the only one who take Athena for the sole purpose of sure footing
That's how I've been since I turned on Heightened Security
formal orbit
you can't die quickly and that's a no no
latent moon
Slow SD resets are sad
stone rune
Am I the only one who take Athena for the sole purpose of sure footing
sure footing primary effect is making sd reset take ages
formal orbit
styx sure footing is fine
latent moon
Jazz do you have the clip of heroic sure footing taking forever
lament estuary
That's how I've been since I turned on Heightened Security
HS seems super not worth it
stone rune
no but i experienced something similar
runic jungle
Artemis feels a lot better with zagbow compared to any other weapon I feel.
Either that or I just happen to get mad lucky with crits when I use the bow lol
stiff obsidian
Don't have to reset sd if you nearly die every encounter
stone rune
took sure footing and then didn’t get cshot and went to reset
the tart traps did 1 damage
🗿
jagged hamlet
HS seems super not worth it
It really isn't great return for a single point of heat
latent moon
HS seems super not worth it
It's not but at a certain heat point you kinda just need to take it
Because the other stuff is worse
stone rune
i got a 6:37 with no cshot though
lament estuary
HS seems like it should be like 2 heat since it's so much damage
stone rune
which was funny
tepid light
HS seems super not worth it
Yeah you just gotta take it at some point, which is why I'm using it now to try to get accustomed to it
It's horrid
stone rune
it’s crazy that wr at some point wasn’t even sub6
formal orbit
some games just have crazy tech discovered years after its release
looking at you portal 2
tepid light
nier automata
autumn rose
it's guaranteed 
uncut star
whoops
i did not expect asterius to be aware of our range of weapons and builds
it makes the game feels so alive
i love this
strong ridge
ya i like that part oo
rose roost
what is scoot with beowulf
latent moon
it's a thing with all shields
if you do a delayed dash strike on shields, you kinda slide a bit forward
it's not a lot with beo compared to the others shield but it's still a bit there
the other shields send you a considerably amount forward
stone rune
if you do a delayed dash strike on shields, you kinda slide a bit forward
thats not scoot
scoot is different
stone rune
thats just delayed dash strike
scooting refers to one of two phenomenon
either when you get a dash in between the dash strike and the cshot
or when you start with a standing strike and cancel it into a dash strike to release the cshot a little faster
formal orbit
if you do a delayed dash strike on shields, you kinda slide a bit forward
I think that's called dash slide
rose roost
or
runic jungle
Can't believe I am actually saying this
But I think the bow might be my favorite weapon now ngl.
Or at least zagbow
Idk how the other aspects compare
latent moon
I think that's called dash slide
i've never heard of that term before lmao
i've only heard of scoot and apparently i've been wrong
formal orbit
I read it in the guide jazz sent
stone rune
which one
formal orbit
baj's one
stone rune
its unfinished
formal orbit
~~i dont read a lot of guides lmao~~
proceed to write a 30 pages guide
latent moon
reading and writing is different lmao
the hard part wasn't writing it either tbh it was just like
color coding everything lmao
all the builds, mirrors, and pacts are pretty basic
and i've explained a lot of them already in the past
wary iron
I hate my luck
upper wolf
Can't believe I am actually saying this
But I think the bow might be my favorite...
Chiron is low damage big dopamine
hera is easy and busted
rama is hard and busted
that's about it
rose roost
bow is pretty simple just dash strike
ig that applies to every now aspect lol
but zag bow is so simple
and easy
zenith lintel
If zag were a shape, what would it be?
stone rune
a guy
zenith lintel
A real shape i mean
strong ridge
that is a shape
zenith lintel
Really?
mint coral
If zag were a shape, what would it be?
He's capybara shaped
jagged hamlet
He is very friendly
Zagreus emerging from the pool of Styx
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/333057650910691331/1157132782724730930/20230928185147_1.jpg
brisk trail
omg
mint coral
concentrated beam or triple beam?
What's the third option
silver nimbus
What's the third option
something special related
not what i'm going for in the build
mint coral
something special related
If its triple bomb that's luci hest hammer
drowsy linden
which summon should i use and when should i use them(for batty, i also need to know how to use batty)
this is heat 40(no td)
mint coral
Batty always basically
drowsy linden
how do i use
i know its like double hitting
mint coral
how do i use
i know its like double hitting
Witches meg is outdated
Up to date (time-stamped)
silver nimbus
If its triple bomb that's luci hest hammer
if it was triple bomb i wouldn't ask
latent moon
https://youtu.be/s49jVwc6rS8?t=542
Omg it's me
mint coral
peak thumbnail
knotty glacier
Chiron is low damage big dopamine
hera is easy and busted
rama is hard and buste...
low damage cant be big dopamine
chiron sucks after nerf
short glen
What was it like before nerf? And what was nerf?