etc etc
#h1-discussion
wispy sinew
Ok and the link u put says all this too?
stone rune
idk
thats an introductory speedrun guide
this is just like
knowledge that ive amassed
wispy sinew
Ok could you dm those so I don't gotta scroll every so often?
stone rune
oh you dont need a specific list
just look at the well and see if the thing sounds good
the only real stinker of a well item that has duration is the backstab one
wispy sinew
Ok so upgrade this as much as possible what keep sake switch to after first stage?
stone rune
but if you choose to do shadow it'll be good again
stone rune
Ok so upgrade this as much as possible what keep sake switch to after first stag...
athena if shadow presence, demeter if fiery presence
from demeter you want snow burst, from athena attack or dash
wispy sinew
Then last do acorn as usual?
wispy sinew
I usually do acorn last. Also for Arthur is it dash dash special still?
stone rune
Arthur is very different
wispy sinew
I noticed lol
stone rune
most people play it by basically just spamming attack and dash
and putting special in occasionally
the speedrun method is using a piece of arthur exclusive tech which u dont need to really know but its not too complicated
and centers around dash strikes
but if ur just getting into it
spam left click and dash
you'll do perfectly well
wispy sinew
Ok kool
stone rune
gl
wispy sinew
Thanks I tried the bow b4 wasn't feeling it now that in using hera and different mirror like little more
stone rune
Yeah hera can be fun
wispy sinew
What is the max I should upgrade crush shot?
wispy sinew
Ok and I like loading all them in an one shooting is that good or bad
Not bosses tho
stone rune
Ok and I like loading all them in an one shooting is that good or bad
you wanna adjust how many you load to the enemy you're shooting
it can be a little hard to get a feel for
but like
small enemy one or two, bigger enemy two or three
while with bosses you just load em up
wispy sinew
Ok I will do that thanks
whole comet
you wanna adjust how many you load to the enemy you're shooting
Is it me, or this sounds a bit… odd
stone rune
Is it me, or this sounds a bit… odd
?
stone rune
Grue
wispy sinew
Omg it melts the hell outta Meg 😆
Hera might be my favorite now I beat her in like 30 seconds 😆 🤣
stone rune
nice
whole comet
U talk about ur load and shooting l
wispy sinew
Yea loaded all 3 into her
whole comet
Into her 
mint coral
I like buying 1 to use on styx miniboss
stone rune
yeah because you need 6 for the uses throughout the run
tart miniboss, aspho miniboss, ely miniboss, heroes, styx miniboss, dad
wispy sinew
I still can't use on hades yet this quest is taking forever
wispy sinew
Between achilles and than who knows when I will be able to use on hades 😄
wispy sinew
I'm trying to complete sea gods spite. I beat thesus but when I go to posiden it doesn't complete it
stiff obsidian
does charming those invincibilty crystals in ely make them give u invincibility
mint coral
I'm trying to complete sea gods spite. I beat thesus but when I go to posiden it...
just keep talking to him
fringe raven
Yayyyyy I’m so happy about the news about hades 2. I don’t mind waiting for it because i know it will be worth it 😁
leaden karma
I'm trying to complete sea gods spite. I beat thesus but when I go to posiden it...
do you have extreme measures 3 on?
wispy sinew
do you have extreme measures 3 on?
Yea beat there armor form does it yave to stay on em3 as I talk to him?
jagged hamlet
Should I purge Strong Drink for coin?
latent moon
depends what's in the well tbh and how much gold you have
what biome are you going into?
jagged hamlet
Styx
latent moon
how much gold
jagged hamlet
267 after buying a new use of Companion and two Ichor
I finally got Rush Delivery 😄
latent moon
if you already have rd then there's no point in selling
jagged hamlet
Thank!
latent moon
you dont need gold for styx hermes
unless you wanna get like greater haste
but it's prob fine
only worth considering to sell if epic
and have a reroll left maybe
just get gold on a miniboss door lmao
jagged hamlet
Oh my gosh. I was on track to PB with Hyper Delivery and a great rest of the build, but 4+ sack ugggh gonna restart
Why
latent moon
It do be like that sometimes
Styx is one of the biggest reasons for why I prefer modded lmao
Hammer is a close second
latent moon
You use controller right
latent moon
Just aim with the mouse lmao
stiff obsidian
i keep spending like 10 seconds to hit a numbskull
im growing increasingly aware of how much i actually suck
latent moon
i keep spending like 10 seconds to hit a numbskull
Mood
Bow on kbm is pain
It's why I like rama a lot more than other bows
The arrow is chonky so it's harder to miss
Zag bow is probably the least punishing when you miss
Hera is pain because your shots matter a lot more
Same with rama
stiff obsidian
im trying to sub10 all weapons and idk what to do for bow
latent moon
But it's harder to miss on rama
latent moon
im trying to sub10 all weapons and idk what to do for bow
I did zag bow
Zag bow with twin and explosive/point blank/perfect
latent moon
I think I did that
Probably tbh
The other option is like shackle arty or Aphrodite
But tdash probably more consistent
latent moon
You'll miss the atk lmfao
stiff obsidian
😩
jagged hamlet
Does Triple Shot work with non-Rama bows?
jagged hamlet
Thanks!
latent moon
For attack hammers they generally want like twin or triple
Hera wants flurry
Chiron atk hammer is flurry imo
Triple is fine
Mood
I don't remember how I got sub10 hera
It's kinda just there and idk how
Based
stiff obsidian
i have a controller should i use it
latent moon
It's generally better for bows yeah
The auto aim for controller works pretty well in my 1 run of experience
You aim with the movement stick
stiff obsidian
alright ill just use it for bow then
i cant dash strike with sword as well so i will just do it with arthuer
latent moon
Try controller sword
stiff obsidian
oh yea
latent moon
I heard dash striking is easier on sword
Since you kinda just roll your thumb or something?
And your dash strikes follow your dash instead of like a different direction from your mouse
You'll probably hit more of them consistently
stiff obsidian
its something
jagged hamlet
Ooh you can see my Nemesis run in the #h1-victory-boasting channel to see how it works on controller with an average player
low nest
i have a controller should i use it
Bit late but I like controller because its easy to just button mash
Button mash plus the fists (I forget their name) is really good imo
drowsy linden
you can hold to attack with fists
low nest
Also quick question if anyone knows, )probably not the best place to ask) does the Hades merch sell out for Christmas
low nest
you can hold to attack with fists
I just dash strike spam
drowsy linden
im not an expert, but i feel like thats slower
maybe because ive been using too much gilg
stiff obsidian
Bit late but I like controller because its easy to just button mash
lol ill try it
latent moon
im not an expert, but i feel like thats slower
It's slower for non ME builds
Zap fists want to get normal hits in and weaves in dash strikes between combos to keep damage up
ME just wants pure dash strikes, you punch in-between dash strikes and dash on cooldown
grim fern
Would demeter fists poseidon special trigger sea storm 5 times?
latent moon
Probably not because of internal cooldowns
I think the uppercut hits too fast for it to proc 5 times
You'll probably get like 2 or something
Also assuming you don't knock enemies out of it lmao
jagged hamlet
Is dash-strike x2 into special still the best rotation even with exploding launcher + charged skewer?
signal aspen
yes
jagged hamlet
Oh shoot. Thanks!
pallid flare
Button mash plus the fists (I forget their name) is really good imo
It’s better on shield or spear
tepid pulsar
oooh alright alright, i see
jagged hamlet
Y'know, I may never reach the same heights as better speedrunners, but I'm glad I've been giving it an honest effort. I've gotten better as a player, and I've come to appreciate the big gap in skill between me and my betters
stone crane
you can hold to attack with fists
Button mash feels more fun though
mint coral
You unlocked the secret pacts
stiff obsidian
i spam clicked it and it lagged
raw herald
Yes
stone rune
i spam clicked it and it lagged
had u reset in chaos
it does that
you can tell it’s bugged when it looks like you’ve lost your dds in courtyard
stiff obsidian
i think so
stone rune
to fix it just go through zags room to the main house and back
stiff obsidian
to fix it just go through zags room to the main house and back
yea i did that
short glen
you can hold to attack with fists
You can WHAT!?
stone rune
jagged hamlet
jazz speedrunning reacts 😮
stone rune
its same window as LR and RR right
mint coral
I think so
stiff obsidian
sigh doesnt matter anymore
pallid flare
Just died on chamber 69
grim fern
nice
pallid flare
Is there anywhere I can send a screenshot of what I had?
mint coral
Is there anywhere I can send a screenshot of what I had?
Post img in other discord/img hoating aite like imgur and copy the link
There's embed perms
grim fern
You can upload directly in victory boasting. I don't think anyone is going to police what you consider a victory.
mint coral
Mods in fact, police what's a victory 
pallid flare
Alright I sent it in #h1-victory-boasting
grim fern
I don't think I'll ever be good at speed running because it takes me 15 seconds to find the first enemies in some of the bigger asphodel rooms
stone rune
I don't think I'll ever be good at speed running because it takes me 15 seconds ...
we all do that lol
that happens in the very first sub5
i think
grim fern
Well I just tried to speedrun for the first time and posted a Sub13 so I guess proportionally it's hurting me less.
stone rune
i did that in a 5:27
tacit pelican
im the most masculine hades player (im trans mtf)
jagged hamlet
Sometimes I wonder why the lodging casts don't get Flurry Cast by default. I can see some of the aimed casts maybe not wanting it
pallid flare
Which keepsake should I use?
jagged hamlet
For what and when
pallid flare
For what and when
I’m just trying to kill hades as fast as possible
Preferably something with either a damage increase or a survivability increase
jagged hamlet
The two best defensives are Acorn and Spearpoint. I don't know your build, so I won't suggest offensive options
pallid flare
The two best defensives are Acorn and Spearpoint. I don't know your build, so I ...
Who gives spearpoint?
stone rune
patty
latent moon
spearpoint is only useful for styx
jagged hamlet
I mean if you're asking what keepsakes to take, you might as well recommend Spearpoint so Styx doesn't eat all your HP
latent moon
in final fight it's pretty useless except for like em4 butterfly ball or ely archer adds
stone rune
not everyone plays modded
ionic hemlock
Don’t know what mods have to do with it
But a mistake or two can definitely cost a lot of hp especially to people who just got to Styx
I don’t speedrun
not really
And I’m talking about players who don’t know what they’re doing in Styx because it’s their second time getting there
I died to poison my first time getting there because I had no idea how to get rid of it or how I got it
no
And even if I did I never used it
What does spearpoint have to do with it
I’m talking about this
it is ass
I agree
But it’s not true to say Styx shouldn’t eat your hp
Most people won’t know to do that for a while after credits
I have over 100 clears and diddnt know that was the go to strategy
If someone isn’t involved with the community that much they won’t know these things though
You think I know anyone who plays that isn’t on this discord?
My point was people that are not here would not know
?
It was more of a general statement not specific to that one person
jagged hamlet
Imagine knowing what you're doing psssh
jagged hamlet
Is there any chance tha playing at over 60 FPS affects timers?
stone rune
Is there *any* chance tha playing at over 60 FPS affects timers?
not timers
other stuff though
jagged hamlet
Thanks!
stone rune
jagged hamlet
Hermes would be proud of megagorgon
latent moon
speedrunning discord
they have a lot of save states
or at least a good chunk of players have them, and the ones that do tend to have quite a few each lmao
shut ermine
That’s bananas
jagged hamlet
How does Battle Rage (after slaying a foe, next attack/special deals +x%) work with multi-hit, single-button actions like Chiron's special?
latent moon
i think it's the next button press, not the next damage instance
jagged hamlet
Thanks! I'm glad I took the boon then
drowsy linden
tf battle rage is balanced but thunder flourish isnt
stone rune
tf battle rage is balanced but thunder flourish isnt
wat
drowsy linden
br applies to one button press, meaning chiron is ok
tf applies to one hit, meaning chiron is i think above ok
latent moon
br applies to one button press, meaning chiron is ok
tf applies to one hit, mean...
thunder flourish has an internal cooldown of 0.2
it doesn't hit as often as it can
thunder flourish is fine as is, idk what part of it is "unbalanced"
jagged hamlet
Ditto. It's not quite like Chiron, Demeter, etc. can constantly pump out Battle Rage boosts with their big multiple hits. Chiron, for example, will probably burn its boost on tagging an enemy with Attack
pallid flare
If I upgrade my game from ps4 to ps5 does my save data transfer over?
leaden belfry
I get more upset if i die to theasus
then if i die to Big boss
Cos like Big boss is supposed to be the Uber guy
But theasus is some annoying guy
gloomy trail
formal orbit
which one of the furies is the hardest?
alecto>meg>tis imo
meg has that 4 circle move is really annoying
stiff obsidian
what is the lowest max hp possible
stiff obsidian
how without chaos
raw herald
lvl1 guan yu and no thick skin
stiff obsidian
oh right
latent moon
Simply do not get hit by it imo
jagged hamlet
Tisiphone: "Murrrderer!"
Aspect if Heroic L50 Divine Dash: 🥵
Alecto is by far the most difficult Fury
I can't believe they didn't name her gauge "Fury" instead of "Rage"
toxic trellis
The Rage Gauge ™️
jagged hamlet
I would like to take a moment to appreciate how Tisiphone works hard to learn to say "Zagreus"
Oh my gosh the furies of Hades are colored like starter Pokemon
gloomy shore
Is the membership card permanent or do I need to get it again each run?
sour fog
each run
jagged hamlet
Leave some for the rest of us!
shut ermine
Fr
white path
What happens to Asterius when I have Middle Management pact? I haven't seen him in like 3 runs
mint coral
most boons don't care about it
and depending on your goal even if rarity is preffered you can deal with like common boons
frozen idol
cause when i see rare, epic etc i want to grab it lol
like i just started a run w hera bow
aphrodite common crush shot vs epic heartbreak flourish
mint coral
stone rune
frozen idol
figure common crush shot should be fine lmao
mint coral
on casts rarity matter even less
frozen idol
oh fr?
frozen idol
i have like 400+ hrs in hades and have only now decided to learn more on how boons and stuff actually work lol
rarity would always choke me up and i'd end up flubbing a run cause i chose the shiny rare+ perk instead of going along with a viable build
mint coral
yeah most rarity things can be solved by pomming it enough
unless you are going quite high on heat/zooming and some boons
doom for example is 50 at common vs 100 epic
hermes also loves rarity
frozen idol
i don't think i even bothered doing any heat until recently
new file, think i'm on 2nd heat w bow rn?
mint coral
hermes also loves rarity
(and he has lower chance for rarity compared to the rest)
frozen idol
i never played a lot w ares boons ngl
or dionysus
i always get stuck between choosing a hammer or hermes as well lol
frozen idol
I think the only time I actually tried dionysus was using the adamant rail
frozen idol
oh i never thought of using dio on fists
mint coral
also I say well
stone rune
unfortunately chiron is chiron
frozen idol
chiron was prob the one aspect that made me enjoy the bow more
mint coral
also I say well
but it will feel eh mostly
frozen idol
then i unlocked rama on an old save and that was also pretty fun
mint coral
cuz is like super safe dmg but it'll take a while to kill anything
frozen idol
oh i forgot about zeus, i've rarely played with his boons as well
only as necessary w the fates but other than that i never really understood how to use his boons efficiently
frozen idol
hestia is the bonus dmg on reload right?
mint coral
yup
frozen idol
gotta say that's an aspect i don't use a lot
formal orbit
Extremely consistent aspect even on high heat
frozen idol
oh?
formal orbit
Like the safest aspect as well
mint coral
hestia needs like, 1 boon and you are done
frozen idol
i never would have thought, are you constantly reloading and kiting?
stone rune
or 0
mint coral
true
frozen idol
might have to give it another try once i unlock it then lol
mint coral
at low lvl it won't feel good
frozen idol
i don't struggle too much getting through runs
though i'm playing either no heat or less than 5 atm
takes about 20ish mins per run for me
i think the fastest run i had was 15min? not spectacular but was very fun
frozen idol
man i could only dream of pulling off a run like that lol
formal orbit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154147286805389473/1154219661806809129/i...
How do you deal with numb skull room?
stone rune
hold m1
frozen idol
i still use up all 3 of my DDs fighting dad
formal orbit
And the nectar as well
frozen idol
i heard that stubborn is used more often on high heat?
stone rune
lasting consequences 4
frozen idol
just got it lol
i've tried using m+k, but started playing on controller now
my positioning w wasd isn't great
signal aspen
kbm supremacy
grim fern
Would the ares boon that gives 100%+ to your next attack or special apply to a whole cast of blitz disc or just the first tick?
upper tundra
yeah good question
stone rune
Would the ares boon that gives 100%+ to your next attack or special apply to a w...
only first hit
drowsy linden
However, it works on the whole usage for everything else
So like bow gets more damage the whole special
grim fern
Well that's probably fair but a little disappointing. Would apply to all 5 cluster bombs, while we're at it?
stone rune
it would
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1154243475076829205/RPReplay_Final1695263456.mov how 2 find andswers on discord
latent moon
man i just died on a 50 rama with twin explosive
almost killed dad but i didn't notice a skull wave coming until it hit me
pain
Probably not too bad with triple bomb
Big damage
Dc2 is still free lmao
latent moon
Oh yeah no iframes
I'm close to getting it tho
I'm just not playing carefully enough
My last build was super bad
formal orbit
charging explosive rama sound horrendous
latent moon
Only like aphro strike and 5 thunder dashes for damage lmao
formal orbit
at least big damage
latent moon
My aspho was like 2:15 tho which is hilarious because that's basically my anyheat aspho rama time lmfao
formal orbit
power shot feel like a rhythm game
stone rune
painge
latent moon
I am
Modded doesn't help with gods past the first lmao
Ares isn't a problem
Also weirdly enough
A lot of my 50 rama runs have been getting natural artemis
Which is weird
A couple times Zeus
formal orbit
does rama work with smair if you get zeus call?
latent moon
I mean anything works with smair
formal orbit
probably too high roll to rely on it
stone rune
def for 50
latent moon
Yeah the issue is ap2 lmao
formal orbit
I feel ares is fine tho, blood frenzy and battle rage is decent
been trying hestia, get battle rage
the next shot is bonker
latent moon
I quite literally don't mind what god I see for 50 rama lmao
They all have some use
Except for like Demeter lmao
Actually chill isn't too bad if it's on the special
formal orbit
the only boon I see people want with demeter is snow burst
for hera
to get pstatus or some crowd control
jagged hamlet
Rare Crop 👀
latent moon
Her main boons kinda suck
Rare crop isn't bad but there's some weird stuff going on there that no one has any specifics on lmao
jagged hamlet
Do tell? I haven't heard of weirdness
formal orbit
heroic aphro attack sound awesome, 2xx% modifier
latent moon
Do tell? I haven't heard of weirdness
Variable damage on Hera and I think beo too maybe
And cshot beo bug
If you get rare crop after picking up cshot, the cshot does base normal damage instead of cshot damage
And no one knows why that happens
And I have no idea if there's issues on other aspects
It's probably fine but no clue lmao
formal orbit
And cshot beo bug
cshot = crush shot?
jagged hamlet
Charged Shot, I think
I think I'm gonna revert back to a higher-heat, slower-run player. I miss looting troves, fishing, partaking of trial of the gods, etc.
And I can't seem to consistently break 10 min even with the more broken weapons 
latent moon
cshot = crush shot?
Charged shot
latent moon
And I can't seem to consistently break 10 min even with the more broken weapons ...
It takes time lmao
You started speedrunning a couple weeks ago but it doesn't seem like you're really focusing on a single aspect that much
Also you're playing unmodded iirc so stuff will shaft your run
Styx, barge, bull, tony
jagged hamlet
Oh!
jagged hamlet
That's kinda cute
formal orbit
The black miniboss one?
past summit
is there a reason i can't give another nectar to Hades?
did i progress to far or is this normal
how am i supposed to progress the relationship with him?
jagged hamlet
Keep running, keep talking
past summit
oke
past summit
extreme measures 1 was so anti-climactic
past summit
meg went down and the other two were like "nah im outa here"
that was so dissapointing
i was told all 3 were going to rush me at the same time
formal orbit
He is black lmao, normal rat is grey 🐀
latent moon
huh
time to google
oh dang you right lmao
never noticed that because i didn't care enough about the color lmao
white path
I have a duo boon.
CHAMBER SIX
knotty glacier
upper wolf
stubborn roots ? You mean 455 obols ?
vale oak
if I havent used a death defiance yet, and i buy a "replenish death defiance" does it give me +1 or is it capped?
mint coral
Capped
sour fog
if we're talking about buying it from well of charon, I don't think it will even offer it to you if you have full defiances
vale oak
if we're talking about buying it from well of charon, I don't think it will even...
ah ok, i got it from a boon
old coyote
dire tendon
sour fog
ah ok, i got it from a boon
yeah those can show up because they also give another benefit by increasing defiance healing/invulnerability, but will not give you the extra defiance unless you have free slot for it
vale oak
is greater reflex better or ruthless reflex?
vale oak
yeah those can show up because they also give another benefit by increasing defi...
gotcha, thanks
vale oak
mhm alright. also do i ever need more than 2 dashes? 3 sounds excessive
stone rune
its always nice
latent moon
Considering Hermes tends to only have very few good/useful boons, you might as well take the extra ones lmao
More iframes and mobility never hurt anyone
unique cosmos
I keep dying at the Elysium boss fight
unique cosmos
what part do you have trouble with specifically
||The guy who throws the spears ||
unique cosmos
thanks!
stiff obsidian
what happens if you carry a light of ixion into styx
stone rune
vale oak
does positive outlook(boon) stack with the skull earring keepsake
vale oak
nvm i misread skull earring lmao. they're different
latent moon
skull earring is too niche to be used most of the time lmao
vale oak
does chain shot work on the 3rd boss?
hmm should i chose chain shot or point blank shot, im in elysium
stone rune
hmm should i chose chain shot or point blank shot, im in elysium
point blank
always
only thing to take over point blank is perfect
latent moon
for the heroes fight (for general clearing) you dont want the bosses that close to each other
chain won't be that effective in that fight most of the time
jagged hamlet
One thing I appreciate about Zagreus: cool veneer with pure dorkiness just beneath
abstract drum
i finally got to fighting Hades after 3 days of playing and only got him down to 2/3 health 🥴 i’ve never played a game of this style before but i like it!
jagged hamlet
Ooh that's still pretty good
wispy sinew
Is rolling knuckle bad or good
stone rune
meh
wispy sinew
Ok heavy knuckle ir draining cutter
wispy sinew
Those my options so ig I go with draining
stone rune
yeah thats fine
wispy sinew
So I'm trying to 100% game would u say pisiden and chaos spam the best way?
stone rune
thats good for darkness farming
wispy sinew
Oh I thought did nectar n gems too
wispy sinew
yea my bad I'm trying to farm gems. So I get diamonds nectar an so on
stone rune
yea my bad I'm trying to farm gems. So I get diamonds nectar an so on
for gems the best source is the extra from vanquishers keep
and u just wanna stack the boosts
i think u still get that on new heats right
wispy sinew
What is vanquish keep?
stone rune
the upgrade from the contractor that gives u gems on boss kill
at least i think its vanquishers keep
wispy sinew
Oh yea I don't got the diamonds for it yet
So I tryna farm gems to in turn have enough diamonds.
I have the one thing turned off that allows to see more boons but I'm only getting 5 gems each room
stone rune
@brisk trail #787779476888354816 message how many tries does it take u to win this chamber
you were playing luci 50 right
oh
didn’t u say something about luci 50
try that savestate though it’s insane
gg
jagged hamlet
Can you not back up a save?
stone rune
it’s a caustic trial with cloner speeder brimstones
jagged hamlet
Gotcha 👍
stone rune
it took me like 4 tries
cracked build too
trial zeus gives epic jolted
epic arty special
common chaos special
the caustic
jagged hamlet
Do Bull Rush, bows' Attack, etc. snapshot the boost from Hyper Delivery?
abstract drum
so i just started playing 3 days ago and i just beat Hades the first time…||AND HE GETS ALL HIS LIFE BACK|| 😡 i can’t keep doing this 😂
jagged hamlet
One! More! Stage! So close! GOOOOO, sophieee!
latent moon
It do be like that sometimes lmao
latent moon
Do Bull Rush, bows' Attack, etc. snapshot the boost from Hyper Delivery?
You get the damage boost whenever the speed boost is active
Generally, dashing after you launch the attack will be fine
Afaik rama is the only one where you need to dash to release for Rd damage
jagged hamlet
Ooh, so the casts absorb Hyper Delivery
latent moon
If you time it well enough yeah
It's generally fine most of the time
Like you don't have to think about it too much
jagged hamlet
Excellent. Glad I'm in the habit of dash-strike into bull dush. Thanks!
latent moon
It's generally more of an issue for like long ranged shots for Beowulf
jagged hamlet
so i just started playing 3 days ago and i just beat Hades the first time…||AND ...
I remember pausing and taking a breath after the first phase. I was like "I did it 
", then I was like "oh no 
"
stone rune
Afaik rama is the only one where you need to dash to release for Rd damage
and chiron
latent moon
There is no dash to release on Chiron it's just dash after release
jagged hamlet
Or does he? Dun dun duuuuun
drowsy linden
||em4 funny||
dont worry, he just heals a lot and doesnt actually get another health bar
abstract drum
One! More! Stage! So close! GOOOOO, sophieee!
i used the shield for the first time so def gonna do that again 😭 just stuck on which keepsake
drowsy linden
collar if you have 3 or more dds, tooth if you dont
abstract drum
i used the shield for the first time so def gonna do that again 😭 just stuck on...
i have 3 dds i was considering tooth or spearpoint
jagged hamlet
Or maybe even Acorn if it has been leveled up a bit. Or Spearpoint if Styx eats your HP via poison and lasers
latent moon
acorn is best
formal orbit
acorn supremacy
latent moon
acorn is better than collar and tooth if you dont get hit by adds
formal orbit
spearpoint if you're struggling with styx
jagged hamlet
I'm a noob, so I still like to use Spearpoint for Styx
Wow Nora stealing all the glory LOL
formal orbit
Dying fast for sd in styx so spearpoint is kinda counter intuitive
i used it when i first played the game
abstract drum
also sad bc i only have access to this game for the next 2 days (catsitting at someone’s house who has it) 😭
but i linked to my steam so hopefully can resume in the future
jagged hamlet
Oh nooo but there's so much content after the first win
latent moon
hades was on sale for 50% a few days ago lmao
formal orbit
acorn is better than collar and tooth if you dont get hit by adds
does each butterfly tick took an acorn?
jagged hamlet
Time spent curing is less time spent killing!
formal orbit
damn, em4 sure is rng
latent moon
time loss smh
jagged hamlet
My speeeeed
latent moon
also like
for a standard speedrunning build (which is what packrat is doing atm) you dont need to cure the poison since you'll clear the room fast enough
abstract drum
wish i could switch keepsakes btwn styx n hades 🥺😓
latent moon
if you take spearpoint, you need to get better at the dad fight
if you take acorn, you need to get better at styx
formal orbit
holy shield for better spearpoint smh
jagged hamlet
Which shield is sophieee using?
jagged hamlet
holy shield for better spearpoint smh
Too true
abstract drum
Which shield is sophieee using?
just regular no aspects 💀
jagged hamlet
Dash-Strike into Bull Rush for days!
abstract drum
ok i have 2 titans blood which Aspects for shield should i get
jagged hamlet
I wonder if Zeus shield would help you along at all. It does very well with minimal investment so long as you get Zeus's special on it
Make the cat's owner buy you Hades!
latent moon
zeus can work but you kinda have to put in some time learning how the special works lol
tropic agate
Hello
latent moon
you can half ass zeus shield and get good results but you still have to get decent enough to half ass it lmao
formal orbit
tbf, I just half ass zeus up to 32 lmao
jagged hamlet
Hola. Bienvenidos
formal orbit
It's just that good
tropic agate
I hate every aspect of shield other than hidden aspect lol
tropic agate
i'm getting close to sub10
latent moon
gamer
tropic agate
10:23 is my pb rn with shield
formal orbit
I hate every aspect of shield other than hidden aspect lol
I like all the shield aspect except hidden lol
tropic agate
Hidden aspect just feels better than any other aspect for me
It's really the only cast weapon that I like
formal orbit
I keep missing the flare so I just use hera instead
latent moon
I keep missing the flare so I just use hera instead
that's why i use beo lmao i keep missing on hera
tropic agate
cshot on hidden is essential
tropic agate
I can't believe that i had a possible sub10
and i was like nuhuh
and went down a third styx chamber for no reason
latent moon
it do be like that sometimes
tropic agate
would've been a 9:47
formal orbit
hidden with flood flare and breaking wave probably oneshot shielded rat
tropic agate
mirage tho
with pressure points
i'm just saying that crit double cast
beefy damage
formal orbit
trippy flare for the ulimate burst
stone rune
hidden with flood flare and breaking wave probably oneshot shielded rat
flare might not even proc beaver
latent moon
tbh even if breaking wave did proc i dont think it'd kill lmao
jagged hamlet
Nuu my beautiful Beowulf speedrun ended by 2nd chamber Tony
latent moon
wait shielded rat as in miniboss or normal encounter armroed rat
latent moon
Nuu my beautiful Beowulf speedrun ended by 2nd chamber Tony
it do be like that
jagged hamlet
The big boss minirat
formal orbit
i was talking about the normal one
latent moon
oh yeah even if breaking wave did proc off flood flare it wouldn't kill
tropic agate
all my homies love tony
formal orbit
the one in the really small room
latent moon
normal encounter you dont really need breaking wave lmao
tropic agate
true
formal orbit
dash 1 shot the cultist is cool
jagged hamlet
I had epic Rush Delivery 😦
tropic agate
just imagine epic hyper sprint and dash reflexes but no rd
thats what i got on an 11:49
latent moon
happens lmao
tropic agate
true
latent moon
at least you're moving through the room fast
just ignore how long the enemies are alive for
tropic agate
just gotta get faster elysium and tart then i'd be golden
jagged hamlet
Ooh yiss I got early cshot in my restarted run
And now I'm suddenly really good at loading casts while bull rushing. Go figure 😮
tropic agate
thats how it be
jagged hamlet
And early Rush Delivery! And then...barge. Heh
tropic agate
I will do the best hidden aspect shield run possible for me
jagged hamlet
High five!
latent moon
just gotta get faster elysium and tart then i'd be golden
mood
jagged hamlet
Gosh, this must be how being a slower jazz feels
stone rune
just gotta get faster elysium and tart then i'd be golden
if the run was faster the run would be faster 
tropic agate
5 poms on f flare before fury sister
jagged hamlet
That's vicious!@
tropic agate
i believe i just got my fastest tart ever
jagged hamlet
SUB-10 Beowulf! Now it's your turn, Striker!
stone rune
5 poms on f flare before fury sister
any pommers in chat
tropic agate
my spotify has cut out i'm not sure i can do it
jagged hamlet
I got nervous during Hades and missed like two charged shots 😦
tropic agate
mirage before lernie
jagged hamlet
Niiice! Same here 🖐️
tropic agate
fastest asphodel
tropic agate
I got this
jagged hamlet
You totally do!
tropic agate
didn't get cshot
jagged hamlet
Nuuu but that's okay. Relatively small contribution in the grand scheme
latent moon
you dont need cshot for beo sub10 if you get good rooms and play clean
it's pretty annoying tho
save money for styx anvil when leaving ely btw lol
jagged hamlet
It kinda speaks to the massive gap between myself and better runners that I got a totally broken build complete by the end of Asphodel but still couldn't break 9 LOL
latent moon
or styx hermes if you want
latent moon
It kinda speaks to the massive gap between myself and better runners that I got ...
tbf there's other facts like rooms
enemy rng
jagged hamlet
Well, I got very, very good rooms and enemies too. No rooms full of tiny enemies
jagged hamlet
I think I had like 2 fountains, 2 friends, no flamewheel-heavy rooms, etc.
jagged hamlet
Every midshop. My only hangups were barge and Tony
jagged hamlet
YISS GO, STRIKER
Sorry I'm just very excited. Something finally clicked with Beowulf for me, and now I like it
I hope I don't forget how it works when I sleep
latent moon
that's good but also now all your ely skips are gone for late ely lmao
your only hope for skipping later rooms are just chaos now
blessed yet cursed
jagged hamlet
Bananas, no! Don't jynx Striker
latent moon
lmfao
jagged hamlet
No! NOO!
jagged hamlet
I'm blaming Bananas
latent moon
ely just sucks as a biome lmao
jagged hamlet
Strongbows scattering everywhere, flamewheels playing hide-and-seek...
latent moon
sounds about right
abstract drum
entering styx w 3dd and 136 health 😭🙏 gonna give up for the night after this 😂
jagged hamlet
Not bad!
jagged hamlet
GRATS!
vale oak
in the hades battle, if i kill the skulls do i get the boon bonus that says "after slaying a foe, X effect occurs"
whole comet
hey, i wanna ask
so i see some people doing fresh file to credit with the timer
where do i get the timer?
gray apex
brisk trail
Hello hello
stiff obsidian
does nectar do +1 rarity or increase % chance
mint coral
does nectar do +1 rarity or increase % chance
Nectar as in eury's item?
Is guaranteed minimum rare, +10% to duos/legendaries and never remember for epic
latent moon
in the hades battle, if i kill the skulls do i get the boon bonus that says "aft...
Yes
quasi trellis
Hello, I really want to play Hades, does anyone here have any game keys left?
Thank you very much in advance!
radiant storm
vale oak
is heightened security good for early heat? people only seem conflicted about it. it sounds pretty easy to me no?
stone rune
guys
fun fact
when you play on my res
you can target luci balls higher and lower than u normally can
stone rune
is heightened security good for early heat? people only seem conflicted about it...
its awful
never take it at low heat
ive done 50 heat pacts without hs
wary iron
Why is that? It’s always the one I have the least problems with
stone rune
it means basically all traps in ely/styx/dad will instantly pop your sd/dd
150 hp dad pots arent fun
and its 1 heat
really bad
wary iron
So I should take it out while I try 16 heat?
hardy spear
yes
wary iron
Alright thanks
stone rune
yeah for 16 heat an easy pact is something like hl1 em3 bp mm uc td2
or em2 bp2 or something
vale oak
rare crop is 100% take in tartarus right? i just got it in region 1
stone rune
if u want
vale oak
actually nvm it will dilute too much if i take many boons
oh wait unless it upgrades everything at once
latent moon
is heightened security good for early heat? people only seem conflicted about it...
"just don't hit the trap" is a great philosophy until you get one tapped by a pot for 150 damage lmao
For 1 heat it's just too punishing compared to like
1 point in hard labor lmao
vale oak
yea i took EM1, I'll just learn the boss fight
latent moon
150 extra damage throughout the run is more manageable than 150 all at once
latent moon
Esp since you can heal throughout the run
vale oak
oh wait unless it upgrades everything at once
does rare crop upgrade everything at once btw? or like 1 boon upgrade every 3 encounters
latent moon
It picks 1/2/3 boons and upgrades it over the course of the run until it hits heroic
1/2/3 depends on rare crop rarity
vale oak
oh yea gotcha thanks
latent moon
It's pretty good in Tartarus but it's a bit sad if you have like 1 boon and get epic rare crop lmao
vale oak
if i skip daedalus hammer in first chamber of elysium, can i get it again before boss fight?
mint coral
Yeah
latent moon
Generally yes
Especially if you have dark foresight
If you don't it'll be more difficult but still possible
vocal patrol
What would you guys say are the best aspects? Any weapon
latent moon
Generally depends on the context
Heat vs speed is a bit different but there are some overlap
Beowulf, hestia, rama, eris
Hera is good for speed but bad for heat
Zeus is good for heat but not speed
latent moon
Zeus is better than Beo at around 55
Beo can do 60 but amb said it just sucks to play past 55
latent moon
Unfortunately I am bad at em4
raw herald
55 is em3
stiff obsidian
does chaos dash curse reduce the duration as well
vale oak
if i use plume or butterfly, switching will remove effects right? i have to equip it full game?
cloud tusk
if i use plume or butterfly, switching will remove effects right? i have to equ...
Correct. You only get the benefits if it's equipped.
vale oak
how does curse of longing work? i have doom on special and weak on attack. so do i just need to apply doom once and then spam attack for the rest of the fight?
latent moon
Weak is on attack
So like in theory you could
But the doom damage halves each drop
Or whatever the % is
So it isn't really sustainable damage
You'll have to reapply doom pretty often to get good damage
CoL is just largely useless in that sense and is kinda bandaid damage
stiff obsidian
does eternal chamber give lucifer dash iframes like delta chamber
mint coral
luci can't even dash strike
stiff obsidian
so all dashes have iframes?
mint coral
you are still attacking so no
stiff obsidian
i mean when attacking
mint coral
luci can't get any bonus to dash strikes dmg
hunter's dash and chaos lunge can't show up
mint coral
oh but the dash isnt consdered an empty dash
yup, still take dmg
dash iframes are removed on any other action
just so happens that all the other weapons have a dash strike
stiff obsidian
i think dash strikes are removed because it would work funky with the ramping
latent moon
Tooth
Or Poseidon/athena
But tooth is nice for safety
I mean eh
Their utility is just good lmao
Drakons moment
stiff obsidian
beam doesnt remove projectiles right
jagged hamlet
Correct
vale oak
what should i take if i have lightning strike on twin fists?
i already have athena on dash, so can't take tidal dash
no no, in general. right now i have lightning strike and flood shot
i could try for the storm duo or idk if anything else is better for lightning strike fists
yea like keepsake
yep
and athena
I'll just try for pos zeus combo
jagged hamlet
For Flurry Jab, Epic Swift Strike is an easy choice, right?
Zagreus went from "hup hup hup" to "huphuphup", so I'd say it works. I think it's probably a worthwhile increase in DPS
latent moon
is support fire meaningful damage lmao
10% dodge actually not too bad tbh
or like dodge in general at high heat
def works but you'd rather have hyper delivery ofc
epic swift strike is nice i guess since you can do your rotation faster i suppose
lmao sure
latent moon
sell dash probably
take athena
get dd or ddash
(i have like 4 runs of luci do not trust me)
but it's probably a decent assumption for just high heat
obsidian linden
def works but you'd rather have hyper delivery ofc
do we have a spreadsheet of rush delivery?
I don't believe Hyper Dash + Rush delivery do double damage
I'm must do something wrong
signal aspen
it does double damage when rush delivery is epic
obsidian linden
not exactly a spreadsheet but, something else more precise
obsidian linden
it does double damage when rush delivery is epic
I kinda know
but it doesn't feel like it
signal aspen
well it is
jagged hamlet
Yes
latent moon
but it doesn't feel like it
it's not "double damage" unless you have a flat damage build
otherwise it's 100% additive (assuming just hyper sprint as movement speed)
obsidian linden
c4 or 5 but I pray on rapid jab and get dunked on
latent moon
the c2 reward will still be the same but you might get different options if it's a boon or hammer
brisk trail
"Some of our games are suitable for younger players."
-Rule 2
meanwhile aphrodite
jagged hamlet
She's scary. Also very nude
brisk trail
hair*
right?
no
only hair
I'm quite sure of that
yeah
and very thin ones at that
jagged hamlet
"Some of our games are suitable for younger players."
-Rule 2
meanwhile aphrodi...
K is for Kid, a guy or gal just like you. Don't be in such a hurry to grow up since there's nothing a kid can't do
coral kite
latent moon
you should do 40 all aspects lmao
guan yu isn't that bad iirc
and achilles you dont have to play fast, you generally have more time than you think
you can unga bunga tart and aspho and start being careful in lernie fight
guan yu is weird hestia so shouldn't be too bad
could probably start epic athena tbh to open dd
tacit pelican
what happens if i connect my switch to steam but i dont have it on steam?
latent moon
probably nothing since you dont have the game on steam
i dont think anyone's ever mentioned that having the game on switch would give you the game on steam
the save will transfer if you get it on steam tho
tacit pelican
o
jagged hamlet
Oh hello! Can you explain to me why using your Special (with Charged Skewer) then Dash-Strike x2 is more DPS than just spamming Charged Skewer?
tepid light
Oh hello! Can you explain to me why using your Special (with Charged Skewer) the...
Big numbers go brr
tepid light
Dropping the gag already, I can't pretend I'm good enough with Guan Yu
jagged hamlet
Not with that attitude!
Feels like I can fill the gap using a single dash-strike if I'm running Charged Skewer
latent moon
ngl i dont play enough guan yu to confirm that or not lmao
jagged hamlet
Get on it, Bananas! I've got questions need answerin'
jagged hamlet
Aw, ok
latent moon
i did 1 luci run that was pretty interesting tho
i got all the good gods and boons but i have poor execution lmao
jagged hamlet
Lucy is haaard to use effectively goodness so much multitask
latent moon
it really is lmao
doesnt help that i can't place the triple bombs in the right place without screwing myself over with tdash lmao
40 second styx was pretty neat tho
jagged hamlet
Oh my goodness my Asphodel so far (after my 2nd ever sub 2 Tartarus) has been Chaos, a room, Chaos, megagorgon, Fountain, Euridice 👀
jagged hamlet
I so dynamic
tepid light
doesnt help that i can't place the triple bombs in the right place without screw...
Real lucifer players never detonate the bombs and just let the pulses kill the enemies
new hammer upgrade for lucifer: removes bomb cap
latent moon
Real lucifer players never detonate the bombs and just let the pulses kill the e...
how to beat rat o'clock
tepid light
true strats
languid ruin
guys do any of the romance options actually use the recliner fancy chair 😢😢
left brook
no sitting down allowed
languid ruin
ofc ☝️😞
rotund galleon
Hades to talk channel is kill?
tall knot
Hi everyone. My game just crashed on the steam deck while I was right before the Eslysium boss (in my highest heat run ever), and i lost all my progress for the run. Is there any way to restore my progress on steam deck or am i just stuck and have to do this all again
grand lotus
is it possible to have ice wine and scintillating feast at the same time
latent moon
Yes
grand lotus
sick
sly marlin
Wouldn't have bought a switch if it wasn't for this game, loving it rn
sly marlin
How do I give hades nectar? I've beat the game twice so far
latent moon
Beat it more lmao
runic jungle
I've been playing hades on and off again for a while and started playing again today, I really want to complete the game at least once bc I actually really like it.
I have one question though, is chaos worth it?? Due to how much life it costs it doesn't seem worth-
jagged hamlet
Absolutely worthwhile
heady monolith
Guys is skelly worth the last 3 hearts?
I just got the companion and not sure how to make use of it with it having 250hp only and only used once in a whole escape
strong ridge
its not really favored
heady monolith
Alright I guess i won't upgrade it, what about skelly's last 3 hearts is there any point?
drowsy linden
you get a tiny little cosmetic on the keepsake and thats it
heady monolith
When it comes to useless trinkets, do i have to beat the run on 8 heat or do I simply need a total of 8 heat( as in multiple 1-2 heat runs)
Because if it's 8 then I'm far from that, wouldn't it be better to get 1 heat victories on all weapons first for bounty purposes?
signal aspen
you have to beat 8 heat
jagged hamlet
You'll eventually start overflowing with Ambrosia, so you might as well max Skelly's hearts then
drowsy linden
you have to beat 8 heat
more info:
you can get multiple trinkets in one run
jagged hamlet
Is it hard to uninstall speedrun modpack?
jagged hamlet
im p sure beating megaera shouldnt be this hard
What is getting you against Meg? Which weapon are you using? Which keepsakes do you run? With so many names, are you a Tolkien character?
latent moon
Is it hard to uninstall speedrun modpack?
nope
rename your mods folder to something else and then run modimporter
i straight up rename mine to "NOT Mods" and then run modimporter
and it works fine
magic pike
What is getting you against Meg? Which weapon are you using? Which keepsakes do ...
HELP THAT LAST ONE
but anyway uh. i've been using the spear and the lucky tooth