Anvil into delta 🧠
#h1-discussion
mint coral
latent moon
based
spice hare
I finished the game and i can clear a run in 30 mins but idk if i wanna go deep into speedrunning this game lol
Saw someone go sub 5 minutes with beo shield and that thing scares me
stone rune
its fun
spice hare
Cant wait to see what tomfoolery we can do in 2
formal citrus
I finished the game and i can clear a run in 30 mins but idk if i wanna go deep ...
Just beating your previous heat or time keeps nice little milestones and goals. Not necessary with nice game design but don't hurt either.
latent moon
I finished the game and i can clear a run in 30 mins but idk if i wanna go deep ...
tbf you define your own goals in this game, so if you just want to keep beating your own pbs then that's fine
spice hare
I 100%ed lol
bright sentinel
true
bright sentinel
truly amateur
hardy spear
ive just gotten winter harvest for the first time after over 200 hours
wait is that what the dem legendary is called
sour fog
yes
hardy spear
boonless mirrorless unmodded heat wr is still only 41
i might give boonless mirrorless 32 heat or something a try
whole comet
boonless mirrorless unmodded heat wr is still only 41
oh, which crazy person did that?
didn't expect Hestia could be this powerful lol
stone rune
didn't expect Hestia could be this powerful lol
hestia is top 5 aspect
stone rune
oh, which crazy person did that?
i did 33
and then nyaanyaa did 36
and then tomato pushed
formal citrus
Is it basically shackle hestia clockets starting with cluster?
Does boonless just mean you have to finish with no boons? Do you run persuasion authority to ensure that?
mint coral
If you just want the dialogue you need to end with no boons that can be sold
For boonless leaderboard you also can't benefit from the boons at all
formal citrus
Mirrorless?
mint coral
Oops
formal citrus
So do you run persuasion and keep rerolling if you only have God exits?
mint coral
Do you mean authority
formal citrus
I guess ri 1 is a given lol
But that means no dice to start to roll out of a boon door
stone rune
Is it basically shackle hestia clockets starting with cluster?
no
it’s unmodded but none of the runs are clockets i believe
formal citrus
Hazard?
formal citrus
Would have assumed hammer was essential. Interesting
mint coral
Hestia has many good hammers
formal citrus
Not that those are bad hammers but
formal citrus
Neat
stone rune
ricochet piercing hazard rocket cluster targ
if you’re really in a coping mood explosive
formal citrus
Triple?
plush ferry
triple bomb is slow
stone rune
yea triple is fine
hardy spear
For boonless leaderboard you also can't benefit from the boons at all
i can't find the leaderboard am i just dumb
stone rune
i can't find the leaderboard am i just dumb
it's on unmodded high heat board
gilded sorrel
How many mini-chambers are in each Styx chamber? It's a range right?
gilded sorrel
That's what I was gonna ask LOL
stone rune
the miniboss or annoying long one
gilded sorrel
Thanks
stone rune
so total 4/5
upper wolf
does RI4 works for getting the mirrorless dialogue ?
gray lion
why cant i give a 7th nectar to thanatos? it wont let me give him an ambrosia either
plush ferry
need to progress his story by talking to him
gray lion
ahh
stray shard
I learnt out of tartarus on guitar 
plush ferry
wooo grats
upper wolf
Blood and darkness, I thought you meant you tried to get to asphodel in game while playing on a guitar controller
wispy sinew
Is it random to get Meg at house? I'm trying to raise relationship with her but she's never here
meager basalt
Yeah it's random. You do have to kill her for her to appear tho
umbral parrot
why did hades get removed from game pass tho
raw herald
Don’t most indie games get removed at some point
wispy sinew
@meager basalt thanks I will just wipe yo get her I keep getting one the others sadly
grizzled current
@gray lion if you can't give ppl nectar or ambrosia, you have more dialogue with them or something
I quite like that, I'm still finding out new things and I feel like I've been playing for a while. Still don't have some hidden aspects as well.
whole comet
But that means no dice to start to roll out of a boon door
key room can give u reroll token, if u purchase the key upgrade from work order
chilly jasper
what are the best hammers for aspect of demeter?
stone rune
+900% damage against armored foes on dash strikes
royal widget
what breaching cross do again
anything breaching is armor damage
tulip heron
is there a save editor for hades? i lost some save data
grave sage
Does bad news still increase all damage
bright sentinel
Have you tried going faster
signal bronze
raw herald
63 without hellmode, 64 with hellmode
raw herald
Both ambrosia and poms are good here imo
pastel monolith
lmao
ambrosia if u wana roll the dice or pom for a safe bet
id say gamble!
always gamble lol
ya not sure what all ur secondary boons are
also ur main 2 boons are already leveld up so pom wont do much
poms have extremely diminishing returns after like level 3
except some specific boons like casts or hangover, pressure points, where they just go up the same small amount with each level
nice!
true
aphro is a beast
i like to take the one that makes next boons rare if i havent got hermes yet. hermes rarity is pog sometomes and rare to get naturally
pastel monolith
i havent played hades for a couple weeks been distracted by gta online.. i tried a run last night and died in elysium lmao
just like 22 or somethin
i wasnt rly trying i had a wonky build with gilgamesh
also i kinda just gave up andnlet myself die.. i wasnt doing well and i knew em 4 hades was gonna get me anyway.. plus it was bedtime lol
stone rune
huh
pastel monolith
i wouldnt roll to sell anything unless u have customs on and it scams u
oh ya sorry i didnt look at ur pact
stone rune
i guess roll
pastel monolith
my 23 heat runs dont use uc.. i do em4, deadline 2, ben package, middle management, fo1 .. somethin like that
i think im forgetting something
just messin around
formal citrus
i think im forgetting something
Js3?
pastel monolith
never js lol
formal citrus
Messing around
pastel monolith
i have my pact at like 23 heat and i orety much dont use god keepsakes so i get some random builds and challenge myself
sometimes i get rly liucky with a great build
mint coral
What's the third but probably just kinetic
pastel monolith
i also never take max health.. alwaus something that's gona make me stronger
mint coral
Yeah go launcher
pastel monolith
trying to get good lol
mint coral
What build is even this
formal citrus
UC is definitely an easier pact but it is a final build limiting pact which is why I will some times forgo it
stone rune
kin launcher
rose roost
can u not get wells in mini-boss rooms?
upper wolf
I don't think there's any mini-boss room layout with places for wells/troves/pools
mint coral
Athena?
stone rune
styx
mint coral
I assumed doing tunnel first so it was an encounter instead of fountain
stone rune
can’t reset
mint coral
Also works
stone rune
oh i forgot they put encounters in styx
tulip heron
is there a save editor i lost some save data to a steam glitch
white path
noooo ||Dusa 😭||
desert tundra
I found a funny bug where if you die while fishing, Zag will keep saying voice lines about fishing and an occasional pop up will say to press a button to stop fishing lol
Wish I got a clip of it
upper wolf
How do you die while fishing ?
desert tundra
Asphodel fire skill issue
upper wolf
I thought you were invulnerable during fishing. Huh, neat
mint coral
My first 40 attempt that got into aspho died in the first combat because of that lmao
desert tundra
trying to do 32 heat with HS on so ye
mint coral
Another bad one is that you are allowed to fish before a survival room begins
upper wolf
I feel like HS would be so free if lava wasn't a thing
mint coral
And you get stuck there and enemies can just wack you
desert tundra
I feel like HS would be so free if lava wasn't a thing
yeah lava is annoying
mint coral
I feel like HS would be so free if lava wasn't a thing
Pots are also extremely punishing
desert tundra
especially when they spit it out on the ground in areas where the ground is segmented
mint coral
And we all know the "just don't get hit" just simply doesn't work 100% of the times
desert tundra
It's as shrimple as that
latent moon
"just don't hit the trap" is a great philosophy until you get one tapped by a pot for 150
stray shard
Guys how did u do the aspect of beowulf bug thing ?
Like where the second cast does 100% damage
stray shard
Alr thanks
pastel monolith
I feel like HS would be so free if lava wasn't a thing
also hades pots count as traps and they do mega damage with hs
when i was a noob highetened security was the first heat i added lol thinking ok nbd just avoid traps.. turns out its like one of the most difficult pacts of punishment on the list and only worth one heat
native blade
Lmao
Yeah… it’s the Calisthenics Package initials isn’t it? Well pretty much I thought it was lukewarm at best and then I got evaporated.
pastel monolith
damage control and calisthenics program are my least favorite heats..
i like bein able to make enemies pass away easily and anything that slows down that process anoys me lol
especially for bosses and even minibosses.. damage control ruins my meg timing
plush ferry
damage control and calisthenics package were my first heat attempts after getting eaten by the trap one
+400% lava damage doesnt mess around
upper wolf
hades pots are mostly an issue when you start using FO and EM4 ime
With "basic" pots you can avoid them pretty easily on most aspects
Melee is a struggle ofc
I still think HS is ok to take
upper wolf
nah I'd take HS even at 32
hell, I'd take it at 16
tbh it's not really that bad on its own, it just synergises too well with other pacts
stone rune
i took hs0 at 50
mint coral
I would take it at lower heat but you run into the "it's just 1 heat" again
upper wolf
If HS has 1 000 000 supporters then they're probably all noobs but I'm one of them
stone rune
hs bad
pastel monolith
my highest heat pb was 43 i didnt have hs
pretty sure anyway lol
hs, cp, js, ri . those are heats i avoid at all costs
royal widget
i take hs past 40
pastel monolith
if i could maybe cut back on the deadline and get better at em4.. i could use cp and js maybe
ya em4 kills me all the time even like 20 heat runs
upper wolf
I take EM4 as soon as I can because dying like an idiot is secondary to my goal to listen to The Unseen Ones during an epic battle
btw now that I've seen your nick I'm wondering what's the exact damage of a heroic lvl50 athena dash
scaling is bad iirc ?
so something like 70 maybe ?
oh
I was way lower lol
stone rune
achilles not bad
upper wolf
Though I can't say I'm surprised about not knowing how much poms give to DDash x)
stone rune
on ahcilles modded u can just do dio attack
hold m1 and spam space
anyheat is easier to die in
u dont have idk man as
latent moon
40 achilles honestly isn't that bad i dont think
hunting blades is still relatively easy to get and you can start arty atk if you want lmao
actually apparently i've never done 40 heat achilles
so i can't say much lmao
white path
Dang stygian shards really do stack. Just saw a crossbow trap in elysium deal 21600 damage
mint coral
Multiplicative trap dmg my beloved
stone rune
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
thanks MiKE
latent moon
i sent it to the wrong channel lmao
if you want to watch someone else play rama here's ocmal's 5:26
meager shuttle
Woo
upper wolf
bruuuh what how did they get sub 6 without hermes x)
Although I'm not sure if hyper delivery still works on a powershot with twin shot
on rama
That's a pretty long time, and hyper sprint is only for 0.5-0.7 seconds
raw herald
Dash after shooting gets the buff
upper wolf
ah, TIL
thank you for the info
so yeah, that run would probably have been faster with RD then ?
raw herald
Yeah def
latent moon
bruuuh what how did they get sub 6 without hermes x)
Beo can also sub6 without good Hermes lol
upper wolf
ngl I kinda hope Hades 2 will be a bit more balanced when it comes to aspects. Well, that and hammers. The rest is pretty ok
raw herald
The game is incredibly balanced for a casual experience
upper wolf
oh, 100%
raw herald
No aspect really struggles to beat 40 heat
It’s just above that
And when you try go fast
upper wolf
yeah, I guess what I really wish would be more diversity in speedrunning
But tbh there are enough categories for that
It's kinda just a skill issue on my part lmao
plush ferry
ppl use the best tools for the job
upper wolf
I mean, yeah, but even then there are categories like OwO that makes everything ran
raw herald
All aspects lol
plush ferry
No aspect really struggles to beat 40 heat
aspect of me struggles to beat FO1 :(
upper wolf
Well, that too, but I feel like OwO is a much better duration, all aspects is looong
plush ferry
i have a rather basic question - what is the sword dps rotation without any boons
upper wolf
dash-strike dash-strike special
well, mainly dash-strike
just some filler when you wait for your dash to refresh
plush ferry
ic
spiral dawn
I switched from the Nintendo Switch to the PS5... and... maybe its me... but are duo god boss rooms different on the ps5? If I remember correct on the switch I always saw the 2 gods, but on the ps5 I only see 1 boss with a boss-skull.
hardy spear
those are two different things
hardy spear
i think you're talking about trial rooms first and then miniboss rooms
spiral dawn
not duo boon, sorry, 2 boons!
raw herald
Trial rooms exist on ps5
plush ferry
boon with boss skull = miniboss
trial room = 2 boons
spiral dawn
yeah but when I get a trial room, it shows up at the door at 1 god with a skull
plush ferry
unless youre saying the miniboss symbol is leading to a trial room
spiral dawn
unless youre saying the miniboss symbol is leading to a trial room
Yes! This, sorry
raw herald
Do you have a video?
hardy spear
wait so you went through a door that had one boon symbol and in the room there was two boons?
spiral dawn
ehh no... I just remember when on the Nintendo it shows just both gods icons on the door, but on the ps5 its 1 god with skull
spiral dawn
wait so you went through a door that had one boon symbol and in the room there w...
the 2 gods, pick one, fight other one
spiral dawn
oh really? I was like... maybe its a ps5 thing lol
hardy spear
it shouldve given you a miniboss instead
raw herald
Make a video if it happens again
spiral dawn
it it called trial room?
plush ferry
the one with two gods is called a trial room ye
spiral dawn
okay thanks!
So yeah, i got several trial rooms that showed up as 1 god with a skull on the door 🙂
gray lion
so there's quite a bit more to do after the credits roll right?
i know of at least a bit that i havent done
untold crown
was messing around with mods and noticed that there's still stuff like "minos-pc-version" in the game's files
probably already known, but they must have gotten fairly into it before deciding on Hades instead
imagine theseus as the protag tho
trying to imagine what it would have been like. theseus played straight personality-wise and doing... what? fighting through the labyrinth? I think I remember them saying part of the reason they changed it up is bc they couldn't make theseus really shine as a protagonist
but man he's great as a narcissistic antagonist
upper wolf
I imagine the Theseus of that game would be nothing like the one we got in Hades
upper wolf
I mean, so are Sisyphus, Megaera, Nyx, Cerberus...
stone rune
aph atk
latent moon
Shackle lmao
stone rune
thats a build
latent moon
Aphro atk and just pick whatever duo comes first
Smair, rend, or reversal
Standard 40 pact
Yeah
Ap1
Or like some combo of cf and js
Simply don't suck idk
upper tundra
hades has reset my run three times for three different reasons grahhhhhj
latent moon
Prob always atk because dps kinda important
Or just reset for not common lmao
Always
UC fodder lmao
But also doom special isn't that bad if it's got rarity
It's also UC fodder anyways lmao
It'll fall off in ely without poms probably but it's still decent dps
Time them better idk
I used to spam click a lot even to dash strike on sword
I learned to time it better so I'd do less of that lmao
Free scaling
drowsy linden
why must beo be so impossible to get
i want to try out lucifer, but i also want to get beo
latent moon
it do be like that
coarse tapir
latent moon
beowulf
hera and beo both have a mirage bug for it, but beo also has a pom bug on it lmao
stone rune
beo also has better kit while u get stones
turns out bad zagbow with no twin isn’t that good
hardy spear
what happens with underworld customs if you have no boons
royal widget
free heat
white path
Quake cutter doesn't trigger on dash-upper????????? bro. Rude.
gray apex
what happens with underworld customs if you have no boons
You can proceed without selling anything
cyan wraith
Heya
stray shard
After 60 hours i just now realised aspect of beowulf's bull rush is slower 🙏
untold crown
you can get a hammer which fixes that but it's not really needed
especially if charged shot appears instead
tepid plover
TIL troves have a minimum reward, note to self never do a trove with 41% more enemies from chaos
grizzled current
LMAO
I love doing the %extra enemies with the Benefits Package, and it's all skulls who give themselves invincibility
And there's 23 of them sitting in a pile spamming invincibility and you end up dying from TD -__-
untold crown
those are so fun to pop though if you have the right weapon for it
grizzled current
So if I restart a run, and don't take the Daedalus hammer, next time it shows up will it have the same options?
Like if I take a different door, ignoring the hammer entirely, next time it's offered as a reward, will it have the same options
untold crown
i don't think so
grizzled current
I was using ||Guan Yu|| and the hammer choices were so horrendous
buoyant harbor
If you restart a run, you also lose your progress though. It's generally recommended to die and start a new run instead of giving up. That is, unless you wanna run seeded challenge / speedruns.
grizzled current
I see.
Would've been easy too, with the aspect I was using
Or I could've sucked it up and tried my best instead of being a little wimp
buoyant harbor
You also get some amount of story progress by simply attempting a run and dying.
(Unless you've already seen all of the story that you have the prerequisites for so far)
stone rune
flurry fire:
grizzled current
Triple hit on dash, attack has bonus range, attack does bonus to armor
stone rune
breaching skewer is fine
grizzled current
Those were my choices
stone rune
just take breaching
grizzled current
Yeah I didn't feel like picking up any of them in tart
I have more clears with Stygius than rail
Idek what you mean "rail spoils you"
I see.
Like I said, perhaps I should've just suffered through the bad choices but too late for that
They are bad choices given that every other hammer is better
stone rune
breaching is good
grizzled current
Breaching is good if you get charged first
stone rune
its still fine
stiff obsidian
my friend says rail sucks because it doesnt stagger
stiff obsidian
why stagger when you can kill
they just got their first clear tho
a day ago
i think ill share it because its funny
they said they used the ares/aphro duo to carry them
i thought 16 is just 0 with td3
oh
grizzled current
My first clear was with the rail, hazard shot and 3 bonus special dmg rolls from Chaos
formal citrus
Lol sounds like a party
mint coral
Hazard shot sounds incredibly funny
stone crane
Today I leant that Sweet Nectar doesn't stack with Persephone's keepsake 
crystal star
L
stone crane
And then I purge it, afterwards realising that the youi can't earn money chaos effect applies to the well of purging as well....
hardy spear
oh
stone crane
Lmao
hardy spear
stone crane
royal widget
Today I leant that Sweet Nectar doesn't stack with Persephone's keepsake <:sadje...
lots of stuff doesn't stack but should
stone crane
I mean you technically aren't getting any poms of power so it kind of makes sense
Just never thought about it before
crystal star
And then I purge it, afterwards realising that the youi can't earn money chaos e...
L
royal widget
lots of stuff doesn't stack but should
for example Charon and MM/EM
hardy spear
does the sneak change at all
hardy spear
witch circle?
hardy spear
never noticed
stone crane
spawns wringers
I got caught by one and then obliterated by the sneak earlier haha
Cause I couldn't move
hardy spear
what about asterius
stone crane
Idk if they normally do but the witches balls have shields (can still be deflected still but not shot)
I think that's cause of MM but not 100% sure
hardy spear
probably
stone crane
Or is that default?
hardy spear
i don't think so
mint coral
Yeah that's mm
stone crane
"Extra armoured foe or some additional problem"
Similar to the Crusher and Megagorgon in Asphodel getting the wave when it lands instead of an extra foe
stone rune
witches mm is the least impactful thing ever invented though
it still takes precisely 6 seconds
stone crane
witches mm is the least impactful thing ever invented though
Yeah, especially if u have deflect.
hardy spear
does asterius miniboss have any changes
stone crane
Not that I can think of but that is kind of more a boss fight than a miniboss
As it is affected by EM3 instead
crystal star
Anyone got a build for me right now
stone crane
Anyone got a build for me right now
hardy spear
shackle nem and roll with what it gives you idk
crystal star
??
hardy spear
what
crystal star
I have no idea what you are trying to say
crystal star
Gimme a real build anyways
stone rune
it's pretty clear
hardy spear
you can flat damage soup, merciful end, buff attack
crystal star
it's pretty clear
Stfu
stone crane
I have no idea what you are trying to say
L
crystal star
😡
hardy spear
🗿
stone crane
stone rune
Gimme a real build anyways
gilga pos atk
crystal star
😬
hardy spear
the realest of builds
upper wolf
whelp, my random try at mirrorless with arthur and a bad build died at heroes. Can't say I'm too surprised 
I got the worst hermes
Common side hustle and common swift strike, and those were the better ones by far
only thing I had for me was the +136% herois lvl 3-4 demeter strike
that run made me wonder though, how does erebus and chaos curses interact ? Do I get the +40% enemies in erebus ?
stone rune
fresh notch
Has anybody tried flurry shot on hestia?
stone rune
yea flurry shot is best hera hammer
plush ferry
can hera get twin?
plush ferry
awesome
fresh notch
I'm screaming
2nd hammer and my options are twin shot, piercing volley and relentless volley
stone rune
can hera get twin?
yea
stone rune
2nd hammer and my options are twin shot, piercing volley and relentless volley
twin is good
hera is eligible for all bow hammers
plush ferry
are my instincts right that bow special is like always bad
fresh notch
twin is good
It's going crazy
fresh notch
I'm running hera with Artemis cast cause funny
stone rune
moyai
latent moon
big if on that 10% chance lmao
fresh notch
Check #h1-victory-boasting
latent moon
why would you use the special
fresh notch
I used it on the last build
I got a dumber idea
I'ma go vengeful mood
Actually I should try that on malphon nvm
latent moon
I used it on the last build
bow special is uselss on hera
all your damage is coming out of your cast, the special will just slow you down and will probably get you killed more often than deal damage
standing in place for a long animation isn't great
latent moon
eh
fresh notch
Got a handful of like 10 second room clears with it
latent moon
you probably got hit because you used it tbh lmao
the special isn't doing anything for the 10 sec room clears
unless you point blank it but the special itself is unironically like 2 seconds lmao
fresh notch
Wasn't exactly 10 seconds but it wasn't long either
latent moon
my point still stands lmao
fresh notch
I should use Chiron one day
latent moon
you have to point blank the special for 90 damage on hera which is less than 2 casts worth of damage, not inluding the attack damage lmao
latent moon
I should use Chiron one day
chiron's not bad if you want to actually use bow special lmao
stone rune
I should use Chiron one day
it’s great for not dealing damage
fresh notch
you have to point blank the special for 90 damage on hera which is less than 2 c...
It's to spread weak thats it
latent moon
if that's the case then it's not helping to room clear for your low room clear time lmao
fresh notch
My actual bow shots were flying and then the casts were still seeking which I did not expect so I figured spread out weak and getting heartrend would be good
It did it's job cause I only lost a death defiance to that damned bull
Then I got sniped by a saw in styx
fresh notch
It's just there so I don't have to put anything else into hard labor
Em4 Theseus and asterus gonna make me lose my mind
Love common crush shot 🥲
latent moon
ngl taking a point in hard labor wouldn't have lost you the DD lmao
latent moon
Love common crush shot 🥲
the damage difference is only 10 per rarity lmao
poms are gonna give you more value out of it
fresh notch
ngl taking a point in hard labor wouldn't have lost you the DD lmao
I wasn't getting hit enough for it
Sometimes I have faith in myself and sometimes I don't
I unironically get hit less using malphon than I do with the bow
latent moon
"just dont hit the trap" is a great philosophy and all until you get 1 tapped by a pot for 150 damage
fresh notch
Melee is my preferred manner of combat in any game
fresh notch
"just dont hit the trap" is a great philosophy and all until you get 1 tapped by...
HUH
latent moon
fair
fresh notch
Oh those
latent moon
30 base, times 5 is 150
fresh notch
I hit those before they hit me
fresh notch
Do I just take aphro on attack too
fresh notch
d a m a g e
latent moon
any % besides poseidon works fine for the attack
fresh notch
Poseidon on rail special is fun
Speak of the devil there he is
Taking him cause privileged status
latent moon
pstatus cursed
if you really must then take his dash
it'll screw up line ups a bit but it'll be a lot more reliable and better than the special
fresh notch
It's mfing common
fresh notch
it'll screw up line ups a bit but it'll be a lot more reliable and better than t...
Talking about on rail, I'm using hera rn
stone rune
this 40 grind is killing me
fresh notch
But big numbers
latent moon
well tdash on rail is better than the special anyways lmao
stone rune
they literally give the armored wave makers infinite hp
fresh notch
This is true
latent moon
this 40 grind is killing me
why do you think i stopped a while ago lmao
fresh notch
they literally give the armored wave makers infinite hp
Just break the armor duh
stone rune
well i feel an obligation
latent moon
to sub6?
stone rune
yea
latent moon
i mean dont wear yourself out for it
you already have the wr lmao
(verification pending but probably will be verified)
fresh notch
I wanna try and get my fastest time but idk what weapon to use
latent moon
hera
stone rune
if i don’t push it zyru just gonna beat me
stone rune
he was yesterday at least
latent moon
oh lmao
stone rune
he played more than me
latent moon
tbf you stole it from him in less than like 12 hours lmao
stone rune
i got wr out of a 30 min session🗿
stone rune
well
stone rune
i think there’s a few orders of magnitude difference
latent moon
eh
fresh notch
sometimes you get a good seed sometimes you get something okay
This. I got a damn near perfect seed that run minus me not getting the call from aretmis
latent moon
i think there’s a few orders of magnitude difference
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quite literally once again lmao
you both are literally top tier players
the difference between you two isn't as large as you think
stone rune
he has sub5
and 60 heat hestia
and all aspects 50
and all aspects subsomething 32 and 40
latent moon
my point quite literally still stands
stone rune
i have mid beo one trick
latent moon
that doesn't mean much lmao
you're still better than like at least 95% of the player base on other aspects if you feel like playing them
fresh notch
Jazz idk you but just
Enjoy the game
If you're already good at it then don't stress yourself out over it
Truly not worth it
latent moon
i have mid beo one trick
also i would like to point out you're like #24 in the world for modded anyheat lmao "mid" my ass
latent moon
fresh notch
And that's ok
latent moon
#24 run is like probably top 15 people lmao
stone rune
well like
fresh notch
There's always gonna be people better than you sometimes as long as you hit your personal best then it's fine
latent moon
i dont think he's sub6ed beo
stone rune
yea but 6:11 gilga is literally sub5
latent moon
that's false equivalence lmao
also we're on the point of you calling yourself a mid beo player
cherry's gilga runs aren't really relevant
fresh notch
Do I take the Hermes in the last shop in Tartarus for quick reload or wait till Asphodel?
stone rune
take
latent moon
yeah take
latent moon
im happy with where i’m at
you sure don't seem like it whenever you call yourself "trash" or "mid" despite being in the top 5% of players lmao
stone rune
you sure don't seem like it whenever you call yourself "trash" or "mid" despite ...
i just like idk man am not up there with the good players
latent moon
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you're quite literally there already lmao
fresh notch
Jazz what's your highest heat and how long you been playing
stone rune
yea
fresh notch
Mine is 8 and I've had the game for a year now
latent moon
yeah i've had the game for a couple years now and i'm close to 600 lmao
fresh notch
You're good at the game
stone rune
and also i don’t wanna do em4
latent moon
i could go higher on heat but i don’t play it that much
new 40 heat strat
take ri instead of ap1 and just get the boons
fresh notch
Man
High heat is boring cause I don't wanna sell anything that makes me do damage
I'ma do 32 and that's it
latent moon
the fun part is that not all boons do meaningful damage
latent moon
and you're likely to pick up fodder (as long as you run dark foresight)
latent moon
i've seen players jump to 32 heat from there you can do it
stone rune
fresh notch
LMFAO I do not use aegis
latent moon
based
latent moon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1146675036774731786...
doable
fresh notch
~~i've seen players jump to 32 heat from there you can do it~~
I'm not even bad at the game I just started back playing a month ago though
latent moon
no hell mode tho?
fresh notch
Yeah ummm I'm 2 heat on ages
latent moon
I'm not even bad at the game I just started back playing a month ago though
do a 32 heat run it'll be funny
fresh notch
What happens if you skip heat
stone rune
i wonder if anyone has written a 32 heat guide
latent moon
What happens if you skip heat
it'll count for your lower heat bounty
fresh notch
Like if I went into the game with something at 32 heat and I haven't beat 31 heat before
latent moon
bounties go up to 20
fresh notch
So I can just jump into em4 like an idiot
latent moon
and if you're on heat 8 for bow rn, finishing a 32 heat run will clear your 8 heat bounty and it'll go up to 9
latent moon
So I can just jump into em4 like an idiot
you dont need em4 are 32
fresh notch
Bit of suffering never hurt anybody
latent moon
true
stone rune
people on reddit yelling at someone who said to take delta chamber
i did a vod review for one of them 🗿
latent moon
what lmao
i thought people hated the reload mechanic why would anyone be upset about delta chamber
guess it depends on what the other options are i suppose
fresh notch
Reload keep you on your toes
latent moon
reload gives you time to special too lmao
fresh notch
Rail is such a polarizing weapon to me
At first I was like "yooo there's a gun"
And now it's like "ah, a gun"
latent moon
rail sucks when you dont build it right unfortunately
so it can lead to a lot of bad experiences and people just never use it again lmao
fresh notch
Lucifer is garage cause it doesn't destroy bullets imo
Every other weapon aspect functions the same in that way and Lucifer is the odd one out for no reason
Like wouldn't all consuming hellfire destroy magic orbs or arrows??
stone rune
Lucifer is garage cause it doesn't destroy bullets imo
that’s like
latent moon
Lucifer is garage cause it doesn't destroy bullets imo
triple bomb fun tho
stone rune
a tiny difference
latent moon
but also not being able to destroy the projectiles isn't that big of a deal
it's only witch projectiles right?
fresh notch
Asphodel
stone rune
the only weapon i’ve ever used the attack to destroy projectiles on is fists
latent moon
witches circle pog
fresh notch
triple bomb fun tho
Real
stone rune
that room should always be over in precisely 6 seconds
or maybe 10 if you’re using cringespect
latent moon
that room should always be over in precisely 6 seconds
not everyone has summons
fresh notch
(she has 2 hearts)
stone rune
oh yeah
latent moon
and not everyone is aware of the meg line up
stone rune
they should have just gave u summons at start
fresh notch
I have summons just don't know how to do the meg line up
stone rune
it’s super shrimple
fresh notch
Literally missed the big doom stone in Tartarus earlier
By like one pixel
Is it based on where zag is facing?
stone rune
yea
latent moon
the doom stone you can just stand on top of it when it's spawning then hit summon
latent moon
actually might not work without fo2 but you can just stand on top of it and wait
stone rune
damn
fresh notch
Will take note of this
stone rune
when’s the last time u played a run without fo2
latent moon
when’s the last time u played a run without fo2
didn't we do that cursed zag bow run
latent moon
stone rune
oh i did that cursed zag shield run
latent moon
the pact condition abbreviations are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
stone rune
latent moon
Like you have to sale them
that's underworld customs
fresh notch
Thought so
latent moon
i think that build is eerily close to my 33 chaos
stone rune
i did a 40 chaos
fresh notch
Lord have mercy I keep forgetting I can't curse in here
stone rune
it had pretty barebones build i think
fresh notch
Zag aspect on shield looks terrible
latent moon
Zag aspect on shield looks terrible
it's not bad
fresh notch
Is bow and fist the only zag good aspects
latent moon
bonus 15 base damage goes a long way
latent moon
Is bow and fist the only zag good aspects
shield and rail
fresh notch
I didn't even think about how the damage was calculated
stone rune
latent moon
the base 15 bonus actually goes a pretty long way for early game
stone rune
this was mine
latent moon
and even more so if you dont get charged shot
fresh notch
What about late game though?
latent moon
zag rail is just built as bad eris or spread fire ME so that's based
latent moon
What about late game though?
i mean it's fine but you'll notice the extra damage less
it really shines more in early game compared to late game
stone rune
the early game still exists
latent moon
granted non-beo shields kinda just suck or are difficult for speed lmao
stone rune
zeus slowest shield 🗿
fresh notch
What's base ammo on rail
latent moon
12
stone rune
12
fresh notch
24 ammo and shot gun
stone rune
24 yea
latent moon
more like sniper
fresh notch
With attack speed up
stone rune
zagrail bonus only matters on spread fire tho
fresh notch
Shotgun sound is satisfying though
latent moon
if you want shotgun, get spread fire on zag rail
stone rune
same way eternal chamber doesn’t do anything
fresh notch
I actually got it for the first time today
Literally did not know it existed before this
Idk how cause I'm on 6 heat with rail
latent moon
it's certainly a hammer of all time
stone rune
it is possibly the least do anything hammer ever invented
fresh notch
Spread fire aka Texas hammer
stone rune
i think it actually beats out hoarding slash
fresh notch
They probably just wanted a shotgun in the game
Hoarding slash seems like it's a reference to somet
Something*
latent moon
i mean spread fire sucks unless you're on zag rail
at least hoarding slash is just a net neutral across the board
stone rune
spread fire eris is funny
latent moon
def
stone rune
when u think about it
latent moon
cursed but funny
stone rune
it’s basically cooler fists
stone rune
it’s one of the best aspects in the game
latent moon
I used it once and said never again
did you build it right lmao
like i said, a bad build on rail makes people want to never play it again lmao
fresh notch
Was last year
latent moon
there's like only 1 good build on non-hestia rail and it's pretty universal
latent moon
yeah that's why it sucked
fresh notch
Nah this time
latent moon
critting on a base 10 bullet for 30 damage hell yeah
fresh notch
Would she be better on just attack
fresh notch
Will try that then
latent moon
you need zeus attack
that'll make non-hestia rails feel useful
zeus attack, find static discharge and maybe get the legendary if you find enough zeus boons
artemis or aphrodite special
get tidal dash
rocket bomb is your best hammer
cluster is best secondary after that
triple isn't bad for cope
fresh notch
artemis would be best on the special
Greater inferno, Poseidon on special and sea storm
latent moon
delta chamber and flurry fire are the only useful attack hammers
fresh notch
Actually use this btw
latent moon
is that the bigger pulse hammer
fresh notch
It is
latent moon
that just sounds slow and too much effort lmao
fresh notch
Had discharge and Zeus and Demeter duo
latent moon
the special itself is gonna do more damage when it pops
fresh notch
Those random lightning strikes have actually saved my hide
Lighting rods go brrrr
Wanna do another "storm caller" build like that again but i don't remember what weapon I did it on
stone rune
i think i figured out why i get worse results as sessions go on too long
i start resetting stuff i dont need to cause i don’t feel like playing it
like armored thug c3 or something
when it’s not actually ruining th pace or anything
like when i was playing hestia and my early beo i would reset whenever i made any tiny mistake in the first few chambers and that resulted in my first sub6 taking like ages
so yea
reset less
although i think for earlier parts of session my reset points are very sane
i managed a sub3 aspho exit and 2 30x today which is pretty good i think
so hopefully we pull the sheet soon
latent moon
big gamer
resetting less is good tho
just seeing where the time ends up is a better indicator apart from c1 super armor lmao
also tart mirage is always a thing
wispy sinew
Finally beat the game!
wispy sinew
Is that one of the missions?
jagged hamlet
Yep! Story keeps happening
wispy sinew
Ok I intend on maxing out all the weapons,relationships,and mirror anyway. So the story never ends?
jagged hamlet
It'll eventually end, but oh my goodness you have a lot ahead of you
I hope you have better luck with Megeara than I: I'm at 130 runs, and she won't give me the time of day 😢
jagged hamlet
Just in general, though getting her companion would be quite nice. It's the last one I need
wispy sinew
I been trying to get also but I yavnt vs Meg in forever only tisiphone
jagged hamlet
Murderer!
wispy sinew
Hear it every run randomly get alecto
stray shard
Ok I intend on maxing out all the weapons,relationships,and mirror anyway. So th...
True ending at 10 wins and an epilogue for maxing relationship with all gods
wispy sinew
True ending at 10 wins and an epilogue for maxing relationship with all gods
That intrigues me. I got a feeling ehat the true ending is though can't wait to see if right
vale moss
i’m coming back to hades after like a 2 year break
it sucks so bad being like 10x worse
fresh notch
Any ideas for nemesis?
royal widget
Heart rend
stiff obsidian
anyone have a meg timings vid
royal widget
stone rune
the witches in that is bad
stiff obsidian
the witches is what i really need
royal widget
there's gotta be an image somewhere then
royal widget
i use that one
stone rune
personally tho i stand on the other corner
also what is that run
354 into witches with dad call and crush shot
royal widget
and 6 heat
vale moss
just had the luckiest 51 heat hestia run (natural epic aphro attack, athena dash, seeking fire cluster bomb and epic chaos attack) die to getting like 20 of the shield guys with a damage control modifier
all with double ap so like very very lucky
formal citrus
Line is perpendicular to the way you're facing
stone rune
on controller you have to attack
it's not precisely perpendicular though
which is why bombers is weird
and heroes arent
formal citrus
Same
Wait
No
Not same
Nah, it's perpendicular to the direction your e facing
Idk where on the line meg shows up
stone rune
no ap/ri right
royal widget
no lmao
stone rune
zeus is prob fine
stone rune
you have garbage call charge
i like athena
lets u make sure u get the power shot off
rustic thicket
Just to confirm, everyone whom you build affinity with gives you a keepsake right?
gray apex
yes
rustic thicket
Cool
royal widget
thanks
stone rune
because your flare doesnt do kb
and it also has massive aoe through walls
so styx is not an issue
royal widget
i accidentally sold flare
stone rune
i would try not doing that imo
royal widget
what an idea
stone rune
does it even proc beaver
signal aspen
im 90% sure it does
untold crown
finally got past theseus on a ff attempt only for poison from the boss satyr to get me
I was so sure if I got to styx it was in the bag. getting closer at least
rustic thicket
kinetic launcher on demeter with aphro is sick
hmm dont know about that, about the numbers that is. I was able to do almost 1500 with lvl 10 special
hmm cool cool
im doing another run lets see
untold crown
regular dad fight is easier to me now than theseus
latent moon
does it even proc beaver
Main shield attack tho kinda funny
rustic thicket
I think kinetic launcher was dealling more dmg
stone rune
no kin launcher is good
idk where u get that idea from
pretty sure it’s lap or alena choice 2nd hammer on hyper
always a take if eupper isn’t there
rustic thicket
no kin launcher is good
defintely felt so
rustic thicket
cool cool
latent moon
Is explosive not better
rustic thicket
I've had eUpper before but I think I enjoyed kLauncher more
stone rune
Is explosive not better
its better for like raw dps i believe
but kin launcher comes out a lot faster
latent moon
True
rustic thicket
Is explosive not better
I don't know raw numbers XD
latent moon
Well explosive doubles your damage
rustic thicket
haven't played this game that much
latent moon
Kinetic adds 10 and a power shot
stone rune
its additive tho
rustic thicket
hmm
stone rune
kin increase is base
latent moon
I mean still
stone rune
and on fists you have between 60 and 120 of add on spec already
latent moon
Explosive will still do more damage lmao
stone rune
well yea
but the other advantage of kin launcher is speed
but also kin launcher gives u +50% on power shot if u wanna do that
rustic thicket
i don't think I ever used kLauncher outside of the previous run cuz I used to choose eUpper
it wwas my frst time trying it
eUpper and long knuckles those were my go to
long knuckles adds a bit of safety
is there a list somewhere of pommable boons?
stone rune
theres a list of nonpommables
rustic thicket
theres a list of nonpommables
where??
stone rune
Aphrodite
Life Affirmation
Broken Resolve
Blown Kiss (requires Crush Shot)
Ares
Blood Frenzy
Engulfing Vortex (requires Slicing Shot, Blade Dash, or Ares' Aid)
Dire Misfortune (requires Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain)
Artemis
none 😦
Athena
Sure Footing
Deathless Stand
Last Stand
Demeter
Rare Crop
Nourished Soul
Ravenous Will
Arctic Blast (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Killing Freeze (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Dionysus
Premium Vintage
Strong Drink
After Party
Poseidon
Ocean's Bounty
Sunken Treasure
Zeus
none 😦
rustic thicket
nice thanks
hardy spear
none 😦
plush ferry
dio is one of my favorite "4th boons" because i can semi reliably get a non pommable boon from him and have better poms as a result
formal citrus
Lots of dem. Can see the nice synergy with cast builds.