but I think i saw a setting like that
#h1-discussion
pastel monolith
coarse tapir
yeah but I have no mouse since I'm on keyboard only
sour fog
that's a first
sour fog
why would you though
sour fog
you could just disable aim at cursor for those
stiff obsidian
what does maim do
stone rune
+25% damage dealt to enemy
+50% damage dealt by enemy
drops for 400 damage after 4 seconds
stone rune
it's one of the main gimmicks of the thingy
yeah gilga is garbo
if u like it go for it but it's soooo clunky
stone rune
have u tried not dying
stiff obsidian
stone rune
do u have ur stuff bound differently
reequip only works on quick reset right
i know it definitely doesnt work when u manually complete a run
stone rune
what biome
50?
sell gr and try not getting hit
that is very good idea imo
i guess you have more additive than normal
you have 65 right
sell surrender ig
less pommables
latent moon
Can't you just roll
latent moon
Yeah why not sell that lmao
latent moon
What does selling sweet surrender have to do with poms
stone rune
pp does not happen to be in sell well\
latent moon
Just roll like I said
Do it
Also tbf
I took lvl 2 passion flare into heroes lmao
It's not that bad
Just get the boon
Lmao
If this is 1.3 then we can tell if you save scummed
And then die in the next Ely room sure
I mean kinda depends
Is this ap1
Then dont
Double roiling let's go
pure karma
yeah but I have no mouse since I'm on keyboard only
How is that possible? Like what?
latent moon
You aim was wasd lmao
coarse tapir
yeah I use arrow keys to move and aim
and other buttons for attack/etc.
so it's like a controller basically (actually a hitbox) but I only have access to 8 directions
so pretty much it's as if I'm playing it with a dpad only controller
pure karma
Man, I have the outmost respect for you
Just like a buddy who used to play League of Legends with a trackpad
And was still Gandmasters
coarse tapir
I play all games with keyboard only, unless it's a turn based game then I'm okay with using mouse
since I only have trackpad
and play on the couch
twin thistle
i mean duo chance increase
stiff obsidian
how do you get faster
latent moon
stone rune
🐌
latent moon
Good starting point here
stiff obsidian
thanks
latent moon
Classic
brisk trail
Hi, I have a question. What are the points of the empty slots in the keepsakes area?
twin thistle
at the bottom?
pure karma
The what?
brisk trail
will they never be used? since hades 2 is coming I don't think it'll ever be used
pure karma
Companions?
brisk trail
at the bottom?
no to the side
brisk trail
yeah they will be used
there's 5 empty spots
brisk trail
I can't post a screenshot
but its the little corner in the bottom right (not companions above it)
pure karma
Think I know what you mean. It's just the grid
brisk trail
It won't be used then?
pure karma
there are no more keepsakes, ||Hades and Persephone|| are the last
if I understand corrctly what you are saying, no they wont be used
brisk trail
I finished the game and now play hades extreme measures
pure karma
Yeah then you have them all
brisk trail
if I understand corrctly what you are saying, no they wont be used
ok that's good.
that's all i needed
brisk trail
I'll leave now. I joined the server just to ask. Thank you @pure karma
royal widget
I'll leave now. I joined the server just to ask. Thank you <@694146523746926624>
LMAO
raw herald
Man knew what he wanted
eternal tusk
the most dangerous part of the medusa miniboss is how much it tanks my frames lmao
pure karma
the most dangerous part of the medusa miniboss is how much it tanks my frames lm...
Funny you should say that, I just got killed by them
I always have trouble avoiding the stone big aoe for some reason
latent moon
You can iframe the first hit with your summon iframe
It'll also strip the armor so that's neat
pure karma
Meg fast enoughto hit before it flies?
agile basin
you can do in the second cicle tho
get close to the gorgon, then when the rock falls, you meg
there is a way faster, but I dont remembers 😅
stone rune
https://youtu.be/awL-5z29bsw?t=392 heres the easy way to do power couple 
latent moon
Meg fast enoughto hit before it flies?
The idea is to hit the button right before it lands so you don't take any damage and the meg hits when it lands
stone rune
im looking thru all my vods for examples and so far ive found only like instakills and one screwed up one
oh nvm
here u go
example
have u tried pressing at a differnet time
i wish i saw that many sneaks
im always eating bombers
i hate bombers
sneak is free but fast
raw herald
I need to learn 0 cycle sneak
stone rune
i need to learn 0 cycle power couple
the only 0 cycles i do are the mirage ones
0 sneak seems so annoying tho
does it just screw u if u miss it
twin thistle
rama sneak pog
meager shuttle
lunar terrace
What’s the difference between this and a souls game
mint coral
yes
pure karma
What’s the difference between this and a souls game
It has active storytelling, instead of passive.
meager shuttle
Lol
stone rune
What’s the difference between this and a souls game
hades doesnt make me angry
potent heart
sorry to barge in like this, but hades has never felt like a souls game to me, it definitely has hard parts but nowhere near as frustrating and anger-inducing as a souls game hahaha
(although, full transparency, i do play with god mode on so... y'know, maybe i'm not the best to give input on this 😅 )
pure karma
Souls-like has become a meme at this point
Any hard games are compared to souls games
potent heart
yeah that is true, i mean i also haven't properly played any souls game - i tried 1 and 3, hated the experience, never continued lol
but with hades i was so into it, 'cause i could actually make progress but also make mistakes without feeling punished for it
stone rune
roguelite
potent heart
close enough id say :D
and yeah, valid, it's still not a genre i've really played before
but it absolutely sucked me in lol
lunar terrace
sorry to barge in like this, but hades has never felt like a souls game to me, i...
Would you say it has the same form of satisfaction
meager shuttle
God-like Roguelike will forever be the best tagline for anything ever (from the trailers)
potent heart
i haven't touched it in a hot minute, but i was obsessively playing it for a good amount of time
pure karma
Hades does a great job progressing the story and character developemtn in a very fluid way with each run
The gameplay is also splendid
potent heart
Would you say it has the same form of satisfaction
to me, souls games provide no satisfaction, just anger hahaha
but hades definitely makes me feel satisfied, any amount of progress, especially story-wise, was like cocaine to me lmao
pure karma
That is why it clicks so well, even with gamers that are not ultra-hardcore and into super challenging games
stone rune
Would you say it has the same form of satisfaction
it really depends
lunar terrace
to me, souls games provide no satisfaction, just anger hahaha
but hades definite...
So when you beat a boss after multiple tries ur still mad?
drowsy linden
one letter
one letter in rogues is like a whole word, because it is.
stone rune
if you're speedrunning it's a very different sort of satisfaction
but if you're playing with difficulty turned up it's probably kind of similar
pure karma
Would you say it has the same form of satisfaction
For me, nothing will ever reach beating Orphan in ng+7 in Bloodborne. That was peak satisfaction
potent heart
So when you beat a boss after multiple tries ur still mad?
wish i could say i got to a boss in DS.... or well no i did, like the first one in DS1 i think? and i absolutely hated every moment of it, those games just aren't for me
i play most games on the easiest setting, or any helpful setting they might have (like hades' god mode), and im proud of it :D
pure karma
Play however you like. Games are supposed to be fun
drowsy linden
i enjoy suffering, to a degree
( i enjoy hollow knight)
potent heart
Play however you like. Games are supposed to be fun
that's always been my motto! :)
stone rune
it's not the annoying game design of souls
you can make it difficult
after your first clear
lunar terrace
i play most games on the easiest setting, or any helpful setting they might have...
Think you should give elden ring a shot because there’s lots of ways to make it easier like hades
pure karma
i enjoy suffering, to a degree
( i enjoy hollow knight)
You should try Grime
stone rune
there are some similar elements i suppose
potent heart
Think you should give elden ring a shot because there’s lots of ways to make it ...
huh, didn't know about that, i just figured it's same as DS
maybe one day, but for now my "to play" list is way too long as is hahaha
stone rune
because as you get better at hades the stuff that was rlly hard at first becomes something you can do every try blindfolded
drowsy linden
You should try Grime
note:
i am poor(getting portal 2 soon and have about 50 cents remaining)
stone rune
which i assume is also how souls goes
pure karma
Think you should give elden ring a shot because there’s lots of ways to make it ...
And then they reach Malenia and there goes the keyboard or whatever
stone rune
i got to the snake in sekiro and stopped because it was scary
lunar terrace
And then they reach Malenia and there goes the keyboard or whatever
Rivers of blood says hello
potent heart
note:
i am poor(getting portal 2 soon and have about 50 cents remaining)
mood. if it weren't for steam sales i wouldnt own a single game lmao
pure karma
Rivers of blood says hello
A new-ish player won;t know that
pure karma
note:
i am poor(getting portal 2 soon and have about 50 cents remaining)
Try epic store. I actually got grime for free from there
stone rune
rama is shackle aspho if you got no cores right
lunar terrace
A new-ish player won;t know that
I mean you’re likely going to do some research by the time you get to malenia
pure karma
I mean you’re likely going to do some research by the time you get to malenia
I suppose
stone rune
potent heart
Try epic store. I actually got grime for free from there
oh yeah, thats one reason i like epic, the weekly free games they offer
stone rune
garbo pace fire build
pure karma
TIL people get nectar from Eurydice
stone rune
it's easily the most common one
pure karma
REally? I must have picked it like 3 times in 500 runs
potent heart
yeah i initially avoided it
twin thistle
nectar increases duo/legendary chance
potent heart
but then i started picking it more and more
potent heart
nectar increases duo/legendary chance
precisely bc of this hahaha
twin thistle
also hermes rarity is really strong
stone rune
can you not get midboss c22 
pure karma
I always play rarity/level starved builds, so I preffer my current boons higher
pure karma
Yeah
stone rune
wait
pure karma
those guys with FO2 and speed attribute are kinda annoying
potent heart
y'all are making me wanna play again, i havent touched the game in a hot minute hahah
pure karma
Why are your screens so wide
stone rune
looks better
pure karma
And also, how are you directly attaching it to discord
crystal star
y'all are making me wanna play again, i havent touched the game in a hot minute ...
You should play! They added Apollo as a new god!
pure karma
I have to use a link like a peasant
mint coral
those are embeds too
pure karma
You should play! They added Apollo as a new god!
And Hestia
pure karma
potent heart
hahaha dang it, some things just require swearing to properly express emotion
latent moon
As part of a mod not as part of the game
potent heart
ahhh okay
crystal star
As part of a mod not as part of the game
Yoo
potent heart
i was like??? whaatt
pure karma
party pooper
latent moon
???
potent heart
i like my games like i like my ice cream. vanilla
pure karma
i was like??? whaatt
Anyway the mod is called Olympus Extra
potent heart
but respect to the modders seriously
crystal star
Just annoying
pure karma
Apollo is trash, Hestia is good
latent moon
They're allegedly adding a third god but I haven't been keeping updates lmao
latent moon
Lmfao
stone rune
im gonna miss my midshop arent i
potent heart
you had me at nyx
latent moon
Always
stone rune
pure karma
Thanatos always appears uninvited
pure karma
The speedrun modpack has a thanatos skip option
mint coral
:wideCharon3:
pure karma
but why, time freezes
mint coral
for rta runs
stone rune
it literally looks better
pure karma
It looks distorted to me
potent heart
maybe we're just not seeing the art behind it
mint coral
I think your Aspho screenshots looks the best
raw herald
I need to zoom in on mobile to make out what it is
mint coral
the others are up to debate
potent heart
https://pasteboard.co/cKdGyWbivSNA.png
same hahaha
drowsy linden
oh yeah, thats one reason i like epic, the weekly free games they offer
FREE GAMES?
crystal star
Oops
pure karma
bro
meager shuttle
Welp
mint coral
also what resolution is this, for it to be so wide
raw herald
Bloons td6 free rn (I think) 🔥
pure karma
you thought that would go through the filter that censors kiddy stuff?
stone rune
150 worth keeping?
pure karma
Bloons td6 free rn (I think) 🔥
Yes
crystal star
Lemme try some things
stone rune
stone sprint
crystal star
Butt
raw herald
stone sprint
yeah
crystal star
Its not that bad guys
potent heart
FREE GAMES?
yeah! i think every week (maybe its longer time periods now? used to be every week i think) they offer 2 new (as in, different from previous) free games :)
crystal star
See
pure karma
I can see the deadelus hammer coming
raw herald
I had 2:01 that nearly sub 6d today
drowsy linden
Bloons td6 free rn (I think) 🔥
on epic?
but battd still better
crystal star
Who is everyone’s favorite god
stone rune
i had a 201 that nearly sub6d yesterday
raw herald
pure karma
Persephone's pevious name is weird
stone rune
ate a bad 33 34 i thiknk
crystal star
Artemis is my favorite god. Just look at those juicy crits
pure karma
Why would her father name her that lol
stone rune
epic rd we up
potent heart
Who is everyone’s favorite god
you cant just ask me that
pure karma
~~
eh ill just go and play some more bloons adventure time tower defence~~
Cultured individual
pure karma
you cant just ask me that
The answer is Aphrodite always
potent heart
(its dionysus.)
crystal star
Its artemis
pure karma
how dare you
crystal star
The crits
pure karma
Ok that's all cap, best god is chaos
potent heart
gameplay wise yes, absolutely artemis
crystal star
No one saw that guys
drowsy linden
Who is everyone’s favorite god
zoos or hurmees
although honestly, ||charon best||
stone rune
poseidon
crystal star
Tbh
potent heart
No one saw that guys
sure 👀
crystal star
Alecto is annoying af
potent ingot
Who is everyone’s favorite god
I somehow developed a fictional crush on Thanatos. He's not even my type.
potent heart
I somehow developed a fictional crush on Thanatos. He's not even my type.
i can understand
crystal star
for the previous sentiment
That doesnt even make sense
She would crush you
MURDER
crystal star
You think Alecto won;t btw?
😬
pure karma
I tried playing Hestia with DC2
potent heart
i like alecto just bc she's easy to fight lol
crystal star
i like alecto just bc she's easy to fight lol
Tf
pure karma
i like alecto just bc she's easy to fight lol
Alecto is the hardest what
stone rune
shoals not in sell well
drowsy linden
Alecto is annoying af
tis em final phase is absolute hell
crystal star
Meg is ez too
formal solstice
whats an ideal setup to get 16 heat
pure karma
Tisiphone is ez af
crystal star
Ez fight
formal solstice
tis is one of the harder ones tbh
stone rune
whats an ideal setup to get 16 heat
hl1 em2 bp2 mm uc td2 or something
crystal star
Easiest is tif
crystal star
What is bp
potent heart
i honestly cannot explain it my dudes, she just never gave me many problems
crystal star
Oh nvm
drowsy linden
tis does the big upside down T attack and then i dash into alec
although outside of that i do hate normal alec
formal solstice
hl1 em2 bp2 mm uc td2 or something
please speak in longform
crystal star
tis does the big upside down T attack and then i dash into alec
although outside...
Just time dash for i frames
No damage
stone rune
please speak in longform
HL - Hard Labor
LC - Lasting Consequences
CF - Convenience Fee
JS - Jury Summons
EM - Extreme Measures
CP - Calisthenics Program
BP - Benefits Package
MM - Middle Management
UC - Underworld Customs
FO - Forced Overtime
HS - Heightened Security
RI - Routine Inspection
DC - Damage Control
AP - Approval Process
TD - Tight Deadline
PL - Personal Liability]
formal solstice
thank you
pure karma
Probably ignore the last one if you are not in hell mode
potent heart
hold on what was that.
formal solstice
what the hell
drowsy linden
Just time dash for i frames
hades is too easy, its messing with me
im too used to OH YOU EXIST? DIE. enemies from dead cells
crystal star
Hm
formal solstice
and neptune im ignoring you
pure karma
EM4 hades next
crystal star
What was what
potent heart
neptune sus
crystal star
I got hacked 💯
stone rune
what is happening
potent heart
ok ok ...... sure.......
pure karma
You are gonna get banned
drowsy linden
lernie>alec
potent heart
~~lernie>alec~~
ok well yes, true
pure karma
~~lernie>alec~~
In what context
crystal star
Hacker will stop
potent heart
In what context
not op but in context of i could possibly pet lernie. possibly
crystal star
Lernie em hardest fight
drowsy linden
In what context
yes
pure karma
not op but in context of i could possibly pet lernie. possibly
I understand
But cerberus exists
crystal star
Cerby
potent heart
god gave me two hands for a reason
crystal star
Give him headpats
crystal star
ayo
pure karma
only one head likes pets
potent heart
if i wanna live i need just 2
pure karma
I would relly like to see a cerberous boss fight
crystal star
it would be too hard
potent heart
now would i still attempt to pet every one of cerby's heads? absolutely.
crystal star
Because you just want to pet him
potent heart
wow. what has he ever done to you
crystal star
I dont have any more super reactions
potent heart
im barely ever on discord so honestly i only vaguely know of these super reactions
but this felt appropriate
pure karma
anyway, back to peaky blinders
crystal star
Poor mans version
potent heart
anyway, back to peaky blinders
same, but replace "peaky blinders" with "palia"
good luck to u all, stay safe and have fun
crystal star
Same but replace “palia” with “crying in the corner”
pure karma
If LoL had a counter, I would have won everyone here twice
stone rune
idk man as someone with around 10 hours in hades ill take hades over pretty much any other hades
pure karma
drowsy linden
so uhhh
i have like 170 in hollow knight
and around 100-400 in dead cells
im so good at self control
hardy spear
i got like 4k in overwatch
spare tartan
Ive only got like 45 hours
crystal star
i got like 4k in overwatch <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I got 300 in ow
What rank are you
You can carry me
hardy spear
in open queue so it dont count
crystal star
Damn you suck
hardy spear
but im like rank 200 ish in tank rn
hardy spear
yeah
crystal star
What is your ign
hardy spear
ill dm
autumn rose
so uhhh
i have like 170 in hollow knight
and around 100-400 in dead cells
im so...
that is a very broad estimation
still python
why does lightning phalanx have no lightning animation i was expecting it to look cool
raw herald
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1138958702280450169/i...
Ok but have you beat blast processing 🔥
eternal tusk
Is the spear one of the better weapons or does it just fit my playstyle really well? cause ill find with it I can get through theb one hydra's without a single death defy then opn adamant rail I can barely make it through the fury, granted adamant rail seems to be the one I do worst with, though I dont often use shield or bow
formal solstice
what exactly do themes do
are they just for your side bar
or for the enitrety of the underworld
mint coral
For the boon menu only yeah
tropic agate
meager shuttle
Oh well I had a lot of it lying around
You mean you HADNT given it all to Dusa?! Heretic
Lmao
Just kidding, ofc
bright sentinel
i just talked to Death at home base, pretty sure i literally have one more gift to give him, and he LEFT immediately when i spoke to him so now i have to wait longer
nevermind i savequit
whew
meager shuttle
turns out i'm not as close as i thought i was anyway lol
Oops
still python
whats a good hera build that isnt crush shot
idk what would work
and i wanna get better
twin thistle
its pretty much just crush shot. ig the next options are athena cast parting or dio with stygian and pray for extra bloodstone
latent moon
The whole idea with Hera is that you one shot enemies so the drop time doesn't really matter
Athena cast is slightly worse crush shot with longer range
bright sentinel
The whole idea with Hera is that you one shot enemies so the drop time doesn't r...
i am currently doing this again
just oneshot all of the 2nd boss's serpents
median spear
the bow is probably the best weapon overall
though speedrunners find the shield more effective which is interesting
stone rune
the bow is probably the best weapon overall
rail has a better 4 set
and beo has better damage than hera usually
twin thistle
more like they find beo more effective and cshot beo is just hera but double the damage and aoe
stone rune
hera would be faster if every room was a 2waver of 2 fatass enemies
but that is not every room
latent moon
though speedrunners find the shield more effective which is interesting
More like Beowulf kinda exists
Every other shield sucks for speed pretty much
undone condor
I just found merciful end on my first boon after getting ares, no rerolls
Next run is definitely gonna make up for such good luck lol
bright sentinel
Zeus shield did so good tho
That's not good for speedrun types??
stone rune
zeus kinda garbo for speedrun
royal widget
it's good for sub20
twin thistle
speedrunning and high heat are pretty different environments
still python
can you lose erebus gates immediately to save time
stone rune
can you lose erebus gates immediately to save time
you still have to clear them
and they’re still longer
startlag and endlag
even tho their waves can be shorter
because of superelites
twin thistle
dire bball fun
uneven cloak
Do I have to do EM4 for 1 missing music sheet?
uneven cloak
maybe i shouldn’t play so much hades
Stop speedrunning so damn intensely
twin thistle
iirc em4 has an extra music sheet
raw herald
Unseen ones
stone rune
so a keepsake doesn't work consecutively?
no
they have one charge
it’s not used until you collect the god’s boon as a room reward
stone rune
no
rustic thicket
nice
stone rune
and you can skip one
stone rune
well
more than one
if you skip a room reward with the god
it’ll just keep forcing it
most applicable in 2 exits where one door has midshop and the other your gods miniboss
you can take the shop and then the next door should probably be the god miniboss
median spear
More like Beowulf kinda exists
isn't zeus shield used for speedrunning and 64 heat runs
the only non modded 64 heat run was done using a zeus shield
gray apex
isn't zeus shield used for speedrunning and 64 heat runs
Not for speedrunning
median spear
what aspects are used for speedrunning then? im actually pretty curious
stone rune
beowulf
hera
achilles
hestia eris
those are the good ones
there are other pretty good ones
and there is also zagspear
luci is upthereish i think
gray apex
Yea Zeus is one of the bottom ones
stone rune
i think most people say nem would be more if more people played it
zeus is the slowest sub6 right
for an aspect
median spear
you would assume that chiron would be a good speedrunning aspect
stone rune
zagsword has like a low 55x right
gray apex
It’s not the metric but might be
stone rune
it has such awful damage
median spear
aphro special on chiron is disgustingly good
gray apex
It has good single target dmg with a good build
That’s about it
Rooms don’t need single target dmg
stone rune
aphro special on chiron is disgustingly good
at taking ages to kill anything
stone rune
rama is good
idk how much of that is ocaml being busted and how much is rama being busted tho
median spear
zues special rama is nice , but i hate how slow the attack charge is
gray apex
It’s both
median spear
idk how much of that is ocaml being busted and how much is rama being busted tho
ocaml?
stone rune
grizz and that timothy guy both do pretty good as well
gray apex
yea
median spear
may i ask what is ocaml/caml
stone rune
one is gonna sub6 i think
median spear
oh like a person lmao
median spear
is there a resource for rama strats i could look up?
stone rune
yeah like dem does not deserve rhe times ananke gets on it but he’s just too busted
royal widget
aphro special on chiron is disgustingly good
Posideon better
stone rune
is there a resource for rama strats i could look up?
there’s unfinished guide
and speedcord
stone rune
nice link
gray apex
Bruh
median spear
there’s unfinished guide
could you dm it to me please?
median spear
https://discord.gg/supergiant
you tried atleast
gray apex
could you dm it to me please?
stone rune
🐌
i have an excuse im on my phone and clicked the wrong folder
here’s a bunch of stuff
stone rune
but i suppose
if chaos can get a 545
zeus can get it too
the zeus dads are actually busted though
is it like the fastest MEspect for dad
median spear
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12I4fjG04we8_CoH9eeEXKQGcDJ37D6HW0PTNmWru0zA/...
thank you so much
median spear
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12I4fjG04we8_CoH9eeEXKQGcDJ37D6HW0PTNmWru0zA/...
tyty man
royal widget
Why is hunter's mark good with PP?
stone rune
Why is hunter's mark good with PP?
makes it a lot more valuable
overall, pp has a multiplicative damage value of 2 times its crit %
but once you hit a pp proc, if it procs marked you can get very reliable crits
and crit gud
distant mulch
Is exagryph generally considered a bad weapon??
I'm the closest I've ever been to beating a run (27 attempts be nice to me) with exagryph but apparently it's the worst weapon type lol
hardy spear
I'm the closest I've ever been to beating a run (27 attempts be nice to me) with...
it definetly isn't the worst
did you get that info from reddit
distant mulch
no just a random webpage
But I did think it was funny and I wanted to see if people agreed
sour fog
on my first playthrough I did consider it the worst, or rather the one I liked the least
but now I like it much more
fallow galleon
So i havent played hades in a while and my save went all the way back to when i first started playing the game. Anyone know why i lost my 50hrs of progress? Never had this happen before
ive only stopped playing for 2 months
pure karma
I have beaten hades like 250 times, and more than a dozen in EM4 and he still has the audacity to say "How dare you think you are superior to me" the few times he wins
But I lost at 32 heat so I deserve the trashtalk I guess
stiff obsidian
worth using god keepsakes after you use their charge for the rarity buff?
pure karma
nah
Unless you are using a specific keepsake for the whole run, you should go God 1 -> God 2 -> Acorn -> Acorn
winged valve
idk, EM3 isn't that much worse
pure karma
byt anyway, acorn depends on how good you are are
winged valve
I often go coin purse
pure karma
if you barely take any damage from heroes and hades, then acorn is not that useful
That is also valid
stiff obsidian
idk why but i just lost my past 3 runs at heroes due to EM3 despite having all 3 dd left
winged valve
i take damage for sure but if things go well then you get there with a full bar of health, take some damage, and then the well gets you almost full again
pure karma
I go acorn like 80% of the time, but sometimes I have such a broken build, I go purse or maybe Plume
winged valve
problem with plume is that if you drop plume in styx then you lose the bonus
so once you go plume it's for the rest of the run
pure karma
Yeah, If I go plume I commit
winged valve
I go pom blossom too sometimes
pure karma
But usually as I said I do it with a monstrous build, so I clear fast enough to get the bonus in every room. And the whole of Elysium and styx give a lot of dodge
so it can be worth
Eh, I rarely use pom
winged valve
i guess plume is especially ideal on runs where you don't need a second god keepsake
but you already got the god you needed
*because
pure karma
But now I am trying 32+ heat, sometimes 46 so acorn is safest
winged valve
damn
pure karma
I dont trust myself to take little damage
winged valve
I'm still around 10 or so
pure karma
and I also get stubborn defiance so I cant rely on DDs in bosses
Ironically I just lost a 32 run at hadees because I didnt take acorn lmao
I had a shackle run
winged valve
nice
pure karma
Yarn is the one that gives rarity to next boon right?
stiff obsidian
double upgrade or woks for next 2
stiff obsidian
ah ok
mint coral
all the dmg buffs stacks
pure karma
from shop?
mint coral
yeah
mint coral
you don't get more rooms unless you are using charon's keepsake
different amount left
stiff obsidian
do any of the fist special hammers speed up the animation
mint coral
kinetic launcher is faster to release
mint coral
all the dmg buffs stacks
correcting this: any buff stacks and don't share durations
things like skeleton lure, yarn, light of ixion just use one after the other
white path
-get ares attack, athena special and dash
-fill call and cast asap
-have 10% extra chance for duos
-get only 3 more boons from either of them in the entire run
-3 rerolls
-no merciful end
pure karma
I guess the gods ended without any... mercy
karmic swan
how does aspect of demeter work with the rush kick upgrade for fists
since that aspect makes it do bonus hits
and rush kick makes the special do two hits instead of one
does it double the bonus hits or just do one extra hit?
pure karma
I think the hit is just added in there
So 7 hits instead of 6 total
But it feels like the hitbox is kinda weird and small, so I do not take it
karmic swan
oh Ic
white path
I did right now. Was fun!
white path
I guess the gods ended without any... mercy
Yep.
though I got stubborn roots (offered twice), deadly reversal and crystal clarity instead
karmic swan
the ares athena duo boon
pure karma
especially with the merciful end thing
Interesting... I have never tested that. You had doom on your special and each hit applied doom?
it works like that?
white path
no, idk what they mean. Unless they manage to catch up to the blast and athena attack the same target
crystal clarity + pressure points + hunter instinct is nice. Call charges up so fast
winged valve
does hunter instinct actually make a big difference there? I think it'll be like a few percent
crystal clarity charges up call insanely fast on its own
mint coral
and rush kick makes the special do two hits instead of one
Fists special already hits twice
(If you don't dash strike)
mint coral
Interesting... I have never tested that. You had doom on your special and each h...
The best use I know for kinetic and ME is using it before you have dash
Jus dash strike into special
Is faster that normal special
white path
crystal clarity charges up call insanely fast on its own
Huh. How does god gauge charge actually work then?
latent moon
How many hits you do, how much damage you do, and how much hp you lose
How many hits you do is gonna charge it faster
winged valve
Huh. How does god gauge charge actually work then?
the crystals do tons of tiny hits right
since its a beam
for the same amount of damage output, your god gauge charges waaaaay faster for lots of tiny hits, compared to a few big ones
winged valve
Not sure if anyone collected exact numbers for that
mint coral
I think Nyaanyaa has posted them here before
winged valve
but yeah, beam builds charge gauge like crazy, another example is hunting blades build (ares cast)
mint coral
Just kinda hard to check
winged valve
I think Nyaanyaa has posted them here before
would love to see it
that also affects the value of smoldering air. Smoldering air on builds with tons of tiny hits, not even just beams and hunting blades, but like even eris builds with zeus on attack, or something like that is less (but it's still good)
but if you're running say, hestia, your god gauge is going to charge up really slowly
So if you are running aphro on attack (common choice for hestia), it's huge value to get e.g. zeus on call and go for smoldering air
strong ridge
How many hits you do, how much damage you do, and how much hp you lose
even td dmg ?
mint coral
would love to see it
#h1-discussion message
Closest thing I've found
Tbh outside of "fast hits gud" you don't need much more than that
And that dmg done caps really fast for gauge
winged valve
yeah, I guess I'd just be curious how much that artemis skill really helps
mint coral
Oh hunter's instict?
white path
ye
mint coral
Underworld customs fodder
winged valve
i have gotten it a few times and it was never really noticable to me
hah okay so it's not just me
white path
And also pressure points to make hunter's instinct trigger on beams
mint coral
Is certainly a boon that exists
winged valve
even with pressure points, it's only a few percent of all hits that crit
so the question I guess is, how much extra god gauge does a crit hit give over a normal hit
white path
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/1027688833019...
But it says nothing about attack speed.
.01 * 100 damage, twice, is 2%
.01 * 200 damage, once, is still 2%
winged valve
so there's an amount you get for damage, and a flat amount per attack, I think is the formula
G = A + 0.01 D
basically
the question is, what is A?
mint coral
so the question I guess is, how much extra god gauge does a crit hit give over a...
Searching speedcord for hunter's instict and yeah it just exists lol
winged valve
you could probably measure with something like beams
A low damage beam, we can basically safely assume that all the god gauge is coming from A
how many times does beams proc per second?
5?
mint coral
From Nyaanyaa she also said
You'll charge more gauge from 10 hits of 10 dmg than one hit of 100
winged valve
Yeah, which of course we all know
I don't think this is that bad to test honestly
If we know how fast beams proc. Just get beams, put it in front of a slow strong enemy
Start timing
We could get a decent estimate with very little work. At least if that formula is in the right form
white path
Do beams have the same attack speed as lucifer?
winged valve
That's a great question
I expect beams are faster
I could be wrong
Actually
Lucifer would be good to test this, although it does too much damage
But if we actually believe in that 0.01 in the formula then we could subtract that out
stiff obsidian
where can i watch good speedruns
winged valve
The advantage of Lucifer is that I'm pretty sure it'll be one hit per ammo
So you know exactly how many hits
raw herald
where can i watch good speedruns
stiff obsidian
wooooo
raw herald
Every run has a video link
winged valve
Downside is that it's too much damage, ideally we want to test something with negligible damage per hit
Like a beam
winged valve
The cool thing is I guess with Lucifer you can control the damage per hit by stopping and starting
So, you can do one test where you unload the beam 5 times, using the whole clip each time. And a other test where you unload half the clip, ten times
If you assume the formula is a constant charge per hit plus a fraction of damage, that's all the info you need to work it all out
mint coral
latent moon
even td dmg ?
I don't think so but idrk lmao
winged valve
Maybe there is no flat bonus per hit then?
It really feels like there is though
I guess if you stay in the optimal zone then you just need 2500 damage to fill a bar.
That's just a few elite/chunky enemies
mint coral
The real strategy is just stack aether's net and/or proud bearing
Or smair
You really can't go wrong with it lmao
winged valve
I feel like I go for smair almost every run
Aphro and Zeus are just very good gods that I use a lot and it's a duo that works well on every aspect/build
bright sentinel
I do not enjoy smair even if it is good
winged valve
why's that
latent moon
Having to keep track of buttons can be a lot tbf
winged valve
i mean either way you need to know where that button is to use call
it's just more often
latent moon
If you're already mashing an extra button might throw you off lmao
Idk
To each their own
stiff obsidian
chaos boon rarities buff the curse?
latent moon
Epic shot: +1 cast lmao
stiff obsidian
how does the ray of doom work
white path
Having never heard of it before, is it aspect of lucifer with ares attack and, importantly, dire misfortune?
stiff obsidian
just lucifer
white path
huh
mint coral
Do you mean how the ramp up works?
stiff obsidian
yes
mint coral
No clue
white path
Then why do you specify doom when there's an actual Doom mechanic you don't mean?
stiff obsidian
nvm
twin thistle
because its prob just called ray of doom in game
stiff obsidian
No clue <:dusa:522248771409543188>
twin thistle
nah its just beam attack
white path
Do you mean how the ramp up works?
This is actually answered by the wiki
"10 Damage, +0.75 per tick Total: 370 Damage for 20 Ammo Clip"
mint coral
Nice
stiff obsidian
so do you want % or flat dmg on it
twin thistle
flat
mint coral
Eris but laser
twin thistle
the ramp up is whatever
stiff obsidian
funny laser go pew pew
true sun
definitely flat
a ramp up build on lucifer pretty much needs that one hammer to make it work, and even then its exceptionally mid
take a % boon on the special tho
winged valve
with lucifer you should know that you can keep the beam on while dodging
so there's not much reason typically to not keep getting the ramp up
unless everything is dead
lucifer isn't bad the problem is if you're going to slap flat damage on the attack then meanwhile Eris is there and will buff your flat damage 75%...
pastel monolith
i feel like i havent played lucifer in ages.. i rly gota do a run next time i play
bright sentinel
Lucifer was kinda fun
Even though you can dash while shooting i still hated the brief pause though
And being planted in place otherwise
pastel monolith
yeah its a very weird aspect to get used to especially the special
but with the rifht hammers its pretty awesome
plus the laser beam is fun
even if its not super great, ita so different from everything else
winged valve
I think it would be more fun on keyboard and mouse where it's easier to use the special strategically
And choose to detonate the mines on purpose more easily
On controller these things are really awkward
pastel monolith
ya for sure. maybe it might be good to disable auto aim
it would be cool if you could trigger the specials somehow like a remote mine
twin thistle
theres a limit to how many can be active at once
so if you shoot enough the earlier ones detonate
pastel monolith
ya
twin thistle
more relevant with triple bomb
pastel monolith
triple bomb rules with luci
stone rune
lucifer isn't bad the problem is if you're going to slap flat damage on the atta...
eris doesnt give u 300 base damage special on first hammer
winged valve
that's a fair point, if you get that specific hammer
signal aspen
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1139239670723653652/9...
still not a sub 2 tart smh
rustic thicket
are there boons that auto detonate lucifer's bombs??
i couldve sworn there was
nvm
rustic thicket
yeah i found it out
what's a good cast with poseidon's aspect other than crush shot
winged valve
I like poseidon's cast on poseidon aspect
twin thistle
lightning phalanx works
stiff obsidian
lucifer has a lot of aspect specific hammers which ones do you want to aim for
twin thistle
flashfire is nice ig
latent moon
yeah that's not too bad
stiff obsidian
im running zeus atk so eternal chamber sounds real good but idk how much of my damage is actually coming from the ramp up
stiff obsidian
concentrated beam and greater inferno
i took the triple beam hammer as my first one
latent moon
damn they all kinda suck
stiff obsidian
royal widget
oh does triple beam not work like bow?
latent moon
honestly no clue
stiff obsidian
i took it because i thought it would but i never really checked
latent moon
there's a lightning strike internal cooldown so you can't get 3 hits on the same target
but like i'd assume it'd ramp up the same so you'd get 3x of that
prob conc beam i guess
hopefully that doesnt mess with the internal cooldown
twin thistle
you kinda just reload when you special so eternal chamber is pretty useless
raw herald
oh does triple beam not work like bow?
Nah the beam isn’t wide enough for 3x single target
royal widget
Lucifer is like Achilles
i don't know how to play it
actually what is lucifer even good at
stiff obsidian
its looks cool
latent moon
actually what is lucifer even good at
kinda mid unless you get triple bomb
it's basically clockets with 1 hammer
twin thistle
its good at being worse eris
latent moon
more or less yeah
royal widget
how is it for heat
royal widget
and still zeus attack?
raw herald
Yeah
winged valve
Lucifer is like Achilles
Achilles is pretty straightforward tbh, as it's largely a cast weapon
you'r egoing to go for some kind of good cast combo
simplest one is probably just going for hunting blades. You get hunting blades on a maxed achilles, and you win the run, pretty much
fair basalt
i love the main theme
royal warren
Is it just me, or whenever Chaos says "face +30-60% more foes", it actually feels like +300% or so?
latent moon
And that's why we don't turn on jury summons folks
Also the cap for chaos roiling is 80% lmao
meager shuttle
lmao
brisk trail
Would anyone be up for having a buddy for doing Hades runs? Preferably if the person is a girl like me 😊. I was thinking it could be cool to jump on calls and chat about it and stuff
stone rune
not inflict effects
?
formal solstice
it hasnt been inflicting many statuses for me
idk if its just killing them too fast or smth
the attack
is that just me not noticing or
nvm
royal widget
what kinda statuses
crystal star
Would anyone be up for having a buddy for doing Hades runs? Preferably if the pe...
Damn everyone just ignored you
Welp
Anyways
formal citrus
is there a coop mod for ahdes
Nope
formal citrus
Damn everyone just ignored you
They well could have gotten dms. Also hasn't been that long and is a somewhat specific ask of interest, rather than a knowledge question or something.
royal widget
such harsh accusations