h1-discussion

[formal solstice]

pom upgrades their dot

[latent moon]

Chill and weak aren't too important of a status to pay attention to

[formal solstice]

so that doesnt mean anything

[latent moon]

Most of the time it doesn't matter too much

[formal solstice]

so they just get the big damage?

[latent moon]

More or less yeah

[twin thistle]

idk epic broken resolve weak carries me sometimes

[formal solstice]

doesnt arty have a lot of crit

[latent moon]

Based

Arty is good for crit yeah

[twin thistle]

chill is whatever unless you have killing freeze

[formal solstice]

so that should deal damage right?

[latent moon]

I mean yeah crits are good

[formal solstice]

so why do the pom scaling?

[latent moon]

You don't pom Artemis cores

You only pom hunters mark

[formal solstice]

ah

that makes sense

since thats direct crit percent

[latent moon]

There's never a reason to pom any of her cores unless it's like hunters dash and there's no better option there or it gives you more % because you already pommed the attack a lot

Maybe 1 or 2 poms on her special but that's not a priority unless all the other options suck

Her cores are just "well might as well pom it because everything else sucks" lmao

[mint coral]

The thing about arti in arthur is that you either do close to base dmg or overkill on most enemies

[latent moon]

Oh this is about Arthur

[mint coral]

Crits on the 3rd swing are always funny tho

[latent moon]

Yeah breakpoints are important

85% of the time you deal no damage, 15% of the time you overkill

Arty attack is more of an option if the attack hits twice like twin shot on zag bow and rama

[formal solstice]

greater concentration really just puts enemies in slow mo huh

its kinda funny how incrediably slow it makes them

[latent moon]

Double edge Arthur dash strikes only maybe? Idk enough about Arthur to confirm that

[mint coral]

Oh yeah @formal solstice thing about arthur
You can dash between each swing and keep the combo going

Good to chase enemies

[crude sable]

Why is Chirons bow good?

[stone rune]

it’s not

[crude sable]

Lmaoo

Hera is pretty good tho

[stone rune]

generally agreed to be 2nd worst aspect and always in bottom 4

[crude sable]

Wow 😯

What’s the worst

[stone rune]

gilgamesh

that one has no contest

other than dash only

[crude sable]

Ok I won’t waste my titans blood on that 😭

[stone rune]

it’s literally so clunky

the other bad ones are like

[crude sable]

Don’t like clunky

[stone rune]

chaos and arthur for the other of the bottom 4

[crude sable]

I picked explosive shot on time

[stone rune]

and then talos is pretty bad

[crude sable]

Arthur is so cool tho wtff

[stone rune]

well like

[crude sable]

Shiny sword go brr

[stone rune]

don’t stop playing it cause i say it’s bad or anything

i just don’t recommend anybody who hasn’t tried it gets attached to it

[crude sable]

I’m only half kidding 😂

Yeah I’ll keep it in mind

[twin thistle]

everything works unless youre speedrunning or pushing high heat

[crude sable]

High heat is 50 plus right?

[twin thistle]

pretty much

[crude sable]

Cool

[stone rune]

32 plus

for most people

but anything works up to 40

[crude sable]

64 / 2 = 32 I see how you got that

[stone rune]

it’s just the skelly statue

[twin thistle]

yeah non shield melee is still kinda over 40+

[crude sable]

What’s a skelly statue?

Is it a cosmetic?

[stone rune]

dude i died to dad on dem 50 with like lvl5 drunken strike ddash and +3 dashes

my greatest embarrassment

[stone rune]

ye

yea

[crude sable]

Sick

[stone rune]

you get them in the courtyard

for doing 8 16 and 32 heat

[crude sable]

Sweet

[stone rune]

they are truly beautiful

[latent moon]

As an fyi heat difficulty scales exponentially unless you take all the bad pacts first lmao

Then it's like a plateau sorta graph

[crude sable]

Yeah makes sense

[formal solstice]

is it worth just gunning it at 8 heat to earn skelly's prize?

im at 4 max rn

[stone rune]

i mean

[latent moon]

If you want sure

[twin thistle]

sure

[formal solstice]

i really want to know what that is

[stone rune]

extra 4 can be pretty unimpactful

[latent moon]

You won't get extra bounties but it's fine

[stone rune]

if you just take the right pact

[latent moon]

It's a beauty

[formal solstice]

like whats that damn tower thing doing

aight im just gonna take the spear and do it then

[stone rune]

just do like

extreme measures 2 benefits package 1 tight deadline 2

[formal solstice]

im a little paranoid about tight deadline

[crude sable]

What’s the easiest pact to add?

[formal solstice]

i dont really go fast

[stone rune]

pause during decisions

[crude sable]

I found the time pact is easy

[stone rune]

the timer doesn’t go during transitions, pause, in boon menus

[twin thistle]

td3 is free if youre used to it/know how to build

[stone rune]

so you can collect yourself generally

[crude sable]

And fishing lol

[stone rune]

oh yeah you can fish too

[formal solstice]

middle managment?

whats counted by the end timer?

the one that shows up at the end

[twin thistle]

sorta free though mm can be annoying with double styx minibosses

[formal solstice]

that one is generally around 30 minutes

just trying to see if tight deadline is worth

[stone rune]

do you stand around in shops a lot

[formal solstice]

not really

i dont think so at least

i might just take middle managment instead

only really hard one is barge of death

[twin thistle]

td counts time the same except when you run out

[formal solstice]

yeah im just gonna take one td and one middle managment

just to be safe

[stone rune]

mm makes barge easier

[latent moon]

If you have summons

Otherwise it's worse

[west mantle]

hey yall started playing hades after a long time, just wanted to ask if it is just me or is there used to be a speedrunning channel in this discord? i faintly rmbr but I can't seem to find it

[stone rune]

theres a speedrunning discord

[latent moon]

Pinned in #self-promotion

[west mantle]

thanks!

[stone rune]

https://youtu.be/rpW9A9icRP8

does this run look sped up

[gray apex]

no

[uneven cloak]

What's a better choice? Zag Spear or Hades Spear?

I have to invest on one or another to at least make my Chain Skewer hunting more pleasant

[royal warren]

If I had to use non-Achilles, personally I'd rather go with Hades spin gimmicks than frankly anemic Special

Quick Spin and Massive Spin can make it more usable

This is hammer dependent. For example if you get Exploding Launcher and Breaching Skewer, suddenly Special becomes a lot more attractive

[sour fog]

I'd take Zag just cause I don't use the spin at all

[royal warren]

If playing on KBM, then Guan Yu is arguably a better choice. Personally wouldn't recommend on gamepad though

Since you want to dash and attack in different directions

[mint coral]

Charged skewer you mean?

[royal warren]

Personally not the hugest fan of Charged Skewer. I feel like Exploding Launcher and Breaching Skewer are nicer since they improve what you were already doing without making you slower

Although Charged Skewer is more useful for bosses

[raw herald]

Charged skewer actually reduces the minimum charge time

[uneven cloak]

Got a Chamber 7 ME

sheeeesh

[ionic hemlock]

And I don’t get it until Styx if at all

[uneven cloak]

there will always be extremes

not getting ME ended me in Ely or Styx

[amber kraken]

I love posseidon but damn the push back is annoying in asphodel

[coarse raptor]

it's great sometimes though if you can push enemies into the magma

[hardy spear]

not if they float and don't take damage

[amber kraken]

The few that take damage are the jumpy ones that will get out very quickly too

[pure karma]

uhhh, something happened and I cannot dash strike or dash special anymore

anyone has ever had that happen?

I literally cannot dash upper or strike with gilgamesh only lmao

what is going on

[hardy spear]

ive never encountered that

are you on controller or keyboard?

[pure karma]

keyboard

it literally happened mid run

I rebooted and still nothing

I cant dash uppen with any fist

other weapons work

[hardy spear]

hm

try unbinding special/dash and then rebinding?

[pure karma]

no, it doeasnt work

[uneven cloak]

The only pushback I welcome are T.Dash and Flood Flare

the rest are.....very annoying.

Also, finally, my entire mirror is maxed.

The rest of the Darkness can go to titles and themes.

[pure karma]

keep your darkness

you will need it at the end

[uneven cloak]

wym?

you talking Nyx Chaos reunion?

[pure karma]

no

[hardy spear]

do you just mean like dont trade it away

[uneven cloak]

i won't even bother

[pure karma]

the warden stuff

[uneven cloak]

considering how much Darkness can be burned on those titles

and that's what i meant by it

[pure karma]

still vanity thing, but I like it better than the house stuff

[uneven cloak]

those interface titles

[pure karma]

I read tiles

[uneven cloak]

the only house stuff Darkness buys in the endgame is a single clear screen theme

[pure karma]

and I though you meant house stuff

not titles

ok then yeah

anwway I guess I can never play fists gain

neat

[mint coral]

Time to visit #h1-tech-support ?

[hardy spear]

give ol' swan a visit

[pure karma]

ok, the problem is when I bind special on mouse

on other keyboard buttons it works

[latent moon]

Is your mouse broken then

Or is it just for hades lmao

[pure karma]

I dont know of any other games that have that interactions

right mouse works fine

[sour fog]

For me it happens sometimes and the fix for that is alt tabbing from the game and then alt tabbing back

[analog elbow]

Is it possible you're dash cancelling the action?

[pure karma]

I dont even know what a dash cancel is, and it hasn't happened in 300+ hours

[analog elbow]

It's when you input an action, like a dash attack/special, and then dash again before it goes off

But if you've not had this problem in this much playtime, it's prolly not it

[amber kraken]

I got an extra fountain on every level. Wish I was running Dionysus in this run >.<

[stiff obsidian]

why does my dash strike not dash strike

with bow

[amber kraken]

oh noooo. No let me go back to Elysium I forgot to say hello to my good shade 😭

[hardy spear]

wdym

[stiff obsidian]

every alternate dash strike it charges up like a regular shot

[hardy spear]

are you definetly pressing attack just after dashing

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[hardy spear]

can you send a video?

[stiff obsidian]

i tried pressing attack while dashing, just after,

both

[formal citrus]

Damage on a fully charged shot against smelly might be the best way to confirm

40 for dash, 60 for regular iirc

[stiff obsidian]

ill do that

[hardy spear]

make sure youre consistently hitting perfect shots or not

[amber kraken]

on my way to my possible first sub 20

[hardy spear]

remember to pause during decision making and stuff

do you know when the in game timer is paused?

[stiff obsidian]

maybe its because i dash before i finish the previous attack

[formal citrus]

Not is probably easier.so hold for the full time for frontal shots

[amber kraken]

yea I have a timer on the screen. Im not like actively speedrunning. I just went very fast this specific run

[hardy spear]

ah cool

[stiff obsidian]

what are the fist special hammers to look out for?

[gray apex]

Explosive Upper and Kinetic Launcher

[stiff obsidian]

kinetic launcher seems underwhelming though

[latent moon]

Power shot special kinda funny

[raw herald]

It’s pretty fun

[latent moon]

It's also more snappy of a special

Could also charge it between boss phases or enemy spawnings

[winged valve]

these hammers for melee weapons that basically turn them into bows, are like, idk, usually pretty strong but also kind of weird

[amber kraken]

I had to look at the wiki to see what boons Im missing for prophecies and its all for the casts I dont use xD

no wonder

[formal citrus]

Castpect time!

[meager shuttle]

Ouch, just lost a DD to lernie on EM.

I just got Dem-Arti Trial and picked Dem, and after completing it Arti said "Good thing you're nowhere near our mountaintop or I'd have shot you for that stunt, myself."

[amber kraken]

I hope Hades 2 wont start with Satyrs (since if I understand it its going to be about going into the underworld instead of out) cause I hate them so much >.<

[meager shuttle]

Blood and Darkness please no

[formal solstice]

is there anything you can do to speed up getting the hidden aspects

besides just

doing runs?

[royal widget]

crossing your fingers

[formal solstice]

dang it

[pure karma]

Anyone ever noticed how Persephone is Hades' step-niece?

[formal solstice]

thats not the worst thing that greek gods have done

their family tree is a circle

[amber kraken]

If they stuck to how it is in actual mythology it would be much worse trust me

[pure karma]

I know all about greek mythology. Guess where I am from.

[amber kraken]

Italy

[pure karma]

Souther

[amber kraken]

:P

[pure karma]

That's correct, Egypt!

[latent moon]

Judging from the trailer there doesn't seem to be satyrs lmao

[amber kraken]

thank the gods

[stiff obsidian]

if you dont turn in fish do you hold on to them until the next time you meet the chef blob or do they disappear

[latent moon]

You can hold onto them

You can turn in like 40 fish if you wanted

[mint coral]

If you hold too many the list goes off screen

Is funny

[stiff obsidian]

i know what im going to do now

[amber kraken]

oops. Confused hypnos's keepsake with orpheous's

[meager shuttle]

LMAO

[royal widget]

is there anything better than Smair for zagshield

[hardy spear]

in terms of a build to go for?

ME i guess

[royal widget]

hmmm

i'll do that for 32

and smair for 40

[mint coral]

Do you play unmodded?

[raw herald]

Good thing about smair is that it’s still strong if you don’t get the duo

[royal widget]

no

[raw herald]

Ofc it’s not fun

But still good

[mint coral]

Just play cshot
Why would you wanna play ME (joking)

[stone rune]

ME zagshield kinda sad

[royal widget]

yeah you get it

[stone rune]

let me find build i idd

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1133878918584205352/IMG_1546.jpg?width=935&height=701

[hardy spear]

where are your boons

[royal widget]

urge to purge

[latent moon]

Funny rod

Otherwise not really any other duos

Parting shot for memes I guess

[formal citrus]

Zeus ares Revenge boons while blockinf in a corner?

[royal widget]

changed my mind im playing 50 heat

[amber kraken]

ugh. Hate it when I die with the boss at a sliver of health

I wonder how demeters cast works with beowulf's shield

[winged valve]

you don't get turrets anymore

you just get a generic aoe effect

[mint coral]

Bad

[winged valve]

iirc it' snot very good but I forget why

[raw herald]

Pom scaling is far worse than other flares

[mint coral]

Pom scaling is awful

[winged valve]

why do so many people love dio on beo, when you read on reddit, even though it makes you take forever to get your cast back

[stone rune]

and also delay

[stone rune]

use stygian

dio beo has insane damage

if u get the build

[winged valve]

If you get like 2 extra stones, sure

seems like such a gamble when the normal beo build is so reliable

[stone rune]

well it's specifically a highroll

[mint coral]

It is a gamble

[winged valve]

do you still try to make mirage work when you go dio

[stone rune]

yes

[winged valve]

3 god build + need chaos boons

quite a high roll build indeed

[stone rune]

wells exist

[winged valve]

yeah, if you happen to get the cast at the right time

but like already you have trade-offs, do you run the 3rd god's keepsake in elysium, or charons' hourglass

I guess it depends what you found in tartarus/asphodel

whether you found a chaos cast boon, found your 3 gods, but what if neither

[stone rune]

you reset for pool and hourglass in ely

[mint coral]

Pray you get one of the 2 mirage gods in tart yeah

And commit step on lava if not

[winged valve]

reset meaning you ust end the run if it didn't work out?

[formal citrus]

Also get scintillating

[winged valve]

eh

[stone rune]

yeah you kill yourself

[formal citrus]

And black out

And fully loaded

[winged valve]

lol

[mint coral]

Just get a 4 god build

Ez

[winged valve]

why didn't I think of that

yeah for people who are trying to break a time or set a record I can see the appeal of a high roll build

[formal citrus]

And maybe the dem dio duo too

[stone rune]

it's still less good than flood

[mint coral]

Is still slower

[winged valve]

I'm not there yet

[stone rune]

people do it because it's fun

[winged valve]

then it's just novelty?

makes sense

[stone rune]

dio beo record is like a 52x or something

whatever nalei has

[formal citrus]

Slower release but still

[mint coral]

Dio beo is beams but you get massive dmg

[winged valve]

i haven't yet made a stygian build that totally popped off

[formal citrus]

I like using dio and then gasp using the special

[winged valve]

going to keep farming blood and going up heat with reliable weapons till all the weapons I like are maxed and go from there

[mint coral]

Wait quicknir have you seen my clip of nuking em4 dad with trippy beo

[winged valve]

probably not

[mint coral]

Yay I get to post it again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/942263189599563816/2022021300340500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4

Warning that build was an absolute high roll gone right lmao

(not seen iirc was rd and blackout)

[royal widget]

ouchie that didn't work

[stiff obsidian]

can you backstab with beo casts

[mint coral]

Nope

Can't get parting shot

And AoE effects can't backstab anyways

Oh wait

[stone rune]

hey guys

[mint coral]

Thunder flare

[stone rune]

just picked up an athena boon without resetting sd

ok we fine

[mint coral]

Why do you exist

[meager shuttle]

WHAT
HOW

[mint coral]

Cast goes boom

[stone rune]

u could do that on flood too

just takes 8 stones

lol

[mint coral]

Big tl;dr
Trippy flare on beowulf has double poms for whatever reason
Mirage 2nd cast does 100% dmg on any flare
Bunch of dmg buffs

[mint coral]

Sigh

Forgot about Than

[meager shuttle]

Ooo

I see

[stiff obsidian]

teleporting splodey chariots are so cool

[meager shuttle]

I don't get how people do so well with Beowulf, but I think I'm biased.
I have ONE clear with that weapon because I decided it'd be fun to use it with NO mirror abilities (so 12 heat thankfully). It took like 88 attempts

[mint coral]

I wonder why

[stiff obsidian]

its my top 3 fav aspects

[meager shuttle]

Lmao

Unrelated but I finally maxed out Demeter fists with titan blood

It's nuts that a backstabbing charged cutter + bloodstone does like 420 health

[latent moon]

I never saw the backstab words pop up in my run

So idk how that happened

[crystal star]

Vote for what run I go for! The perfect Meme Beam run OR the perfect Hunting Blades run!

[stone rune]

blades

[crystal star]

Wait

No

Im not done

Stop it

Vote for what run I go for! The perfect Meme Beam run OR the perfect Hunting Blades run!

Meme Beam will consist of:

• Achilles Spear
• Stygian Soul
• Crystal Beam
• Glacial Glare
• Ravenous Will
• Crystal Clarity
• Mirage Shot
• Fully Loaded

Hunting Blades will consist of:

• Achilles Spear
• Stygian Soul
• Slicing Shot
• Black Metal
• Engulfing Vortex
• Hunting Blades
• Mirage Shot
• Vicious Cycle
• Fully Loaded

For the challenge to be complete I will have to have every required boon and complete the run successfully.

P.S. The perfect Hunting Blades run is significantly harder to complete than the Meme Beam run, so only pick that one if you want me to suffer for months on end.

[stone rune]

why are you doing stygian for hunting blades

perfect hunting blades is just mirage and blades

vicious cycle fully loaded engulfing black metal are all unimpactful

and stygian is actively negative

[crystal star]

Because I want to suffer

[crystal star]

? How

[stone rune]

blades is burst damage

setting out 2 extra casts is annoying

[crystal star]

But if I only have 1…

[stone rune]

well

use infernal

[crystal star]

No

Suffer as I have

[stone rune]

then it won't be perfect

[crystal star]

Oops

Wrong game

[crystal star]

Wdym

Its still just as good

[stone rune]

infernal is better

so it wouldnt be perfect

[crystal star]

Its just more difficult

But it isnt

I odnt wanna pick the cast up

Im Lazy

LAAAzy

Yo

Now ppl wont see the message

[stone rune]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/880/477/20a.jpg

[crystal star]

👍

🍌

Vote for what run I go for! The perfect Meme Beam run OR the perfect Hunting Blades run!

Meme Beam will consist of:

• Achilles Spear
• Stygian Soul
• Crystal Beam
• Glacial Glare
• Ravenous Will
• Crystal Clarity
• Mirage Shot
• Fully Loaded

Hunting Blades will consist of:

• Achilles Spear
• Stygian Soul
• Slicing Shot
• Black Metal
• Engulfing Vortex
• Hunting Blades
• Mirage Shot
• Vicious Cycle
• Fully Loaded

For the challenge to be complete I will have to have every required boon and complete the run successfully.

🔷 = Meme Beam
🔴 = Hunting Blades

P.S. The perfect Hunting Blades run is significantly harder to complete than the Meme Beam run, so only pick that one if you want me to suffer for months on end.

[hardy spear]

the choice is shrimple

[crystal star]

[hardy spear]

[crystal star]

You better vote!… or ill slit your thro-

Nevermind

[hardy spear]

whichever one you go for good luck fishing for all those boons

[formal citrus]

Lol, the triple special hammer offering on hera

[crystal star]

?

[hardy spear]

terrific

[crystal star]

🦐

[hardy spear]

youre going to get krilled

[crystal star]

Dude

Stop

[hardy spear]

im so sorry

[formal citrus]

I was playing hera and was offered the three special boosting hammers which was not helpful

[stone rune]

def more than 3

conc relentless piercing charged

ig 4

but that means you could get 2 hammers and both could offer only special hammers

[formal citrus]

Sorry yeah should have said 3, wasn't sure how many

[formal citrus]

New achievement unlocked?

[winged trail]

I know I was asking about that Thanatos achievement advice thing, and Hestia just didn't work well for me. Felt extremely clunky.

Eris, on the other hand? It feels soooo much better.

[stone rune]

most people won’t recommend eris

at least not without delta chamber

[latent moon]

Hestia is objectively safer lmao

[winged trail]

I have no idea what that is.

[latent moon]

Although if you don't have it at a good level then it's bad

[stone rune]

hestia just gives you more movement and iframes

[latent moon]

Infinite ammo hammer

[stone rune]

you’d need it because it gives you iframes on dash strikes

[winged trail]

Hestia felt far too clunky for me, and I'm just trying to get the achievement done. Eris feels much more fluid to me.

[stone rune]

idk what those words mean

[winged trail]

The game feel for Hestia sucked for me.

[latent moon]

What level is your hestia

And what boon did you have on the attack

Are you reloading every shot

[winged trail]

Level 5 for both.
I couldn't even get through the first few rooms because of how horrible it felt.
And yes, I did my best to reload every shot, and that was the major contributing factor to why it felt so bad to use.

[latent moon]

@stone rune you explain more I gotta eat lmao

[winged trail]

Eris feels better by default to me.

[stone rune]

i can’t for like 15 min

[winged trail]

I'm already getting much closer to my goal with Eris than Hestia.

[stone rune]

well like

some controller players

as in one person i know

don’t like the aiming on hestia

[winged trail]

I'm already at 26% Than attack power with Eris.

[stone rune]

but like what is actually wrong with it

[winged trail]

And this is my first time trying Eris.

I don't like having to constantly reload after firing a single shot.

[royal widget]

well that's how it works unfortunately

[winged trail]

Hence why I don't like playing Hestia. Eris feels much less intensive on the brain.

[royal widget]

make it a rhythm
click then reload

[twin thistle]

helps putting reload on y

[winged trail]

I have my reload set to LT.

[stone rune]

tactile button probably better

[latent moon]

If you dash/special at the same time you reload you cancel the animation and maintain mobility

[stone rune]

oh yeah you can cancel it out

[latent moon]

Hestia is used a lot for hitless runs

Ranged and high damage

Eris is more akin to a melee aspect tbh lmao

[winged trail]

AND I JUST GOT THE 30% THAN BOOST.

[stone rune]

yea since u have to be in special range

you could also just do the beo route

sometimes u just accidentally nohit tart

did that on a hestia 54 once

[winged trail]

And I am just about to hit Asterius and Jerk.

[stone rune]

i remember the first time i tried that achievement i got so mad

cause i got to like

26

and then got hit in all the styx chambers

[latent moon]

I did mine on fists and got 30 on the last satyr tunnel lmao

[stone rune]

lmfao

baller

my last achievement was bad call tho

how long ago was that

i should try a nohit run

less painful than ff right

[twin thistle]

until infinite rats

[stone rune]

tdash:

do they do fo0

[winged trail]

Broseidon dash is pretty nice with my current Eris build.

Which is mostly just "grab whatever it gives me since this is just a 0 heat run for the Than achivement.

[stone rune]

0 heat when 9 heat

[latent moon]

Fo1 for jolted procs iirc

Rd rod

[winged trail]

In other news, I just love how the narrator eventually starts to struggle to find a new way to describe one of Zagreus' deaths.

"Let's say that, erm, a... small yet very deadly beetle defeated the Hydra-slaying Zagreus."

[stone rune]

jolted???

isn’t it hestia and gy

[latent moon]

Rod

Granted you can do without it

But also fo2 kinda fast yaknow

If you want to just do hitless and not care about time then fo0 is fine

[stone rune]

rod jolted is a major part of the strat???

[latent moon]

rd kinda good

it's passive damage while you focus more on safety

https://youtu.be/2ncBi2qMxsA

rt shared this earlier today

rt literally hits the summon, 1 special, 2 casts, and runs around

oh he also has splitting here lmao

but like point stands

rod is kinda big if you want to focus on safety but want to keep damage up

[stone rune]

are u allowed to use beo if u don’t block anything

[latent moon]

idk you have to look at the rules for that

i think it's just a general blanket rule of "no" tho

[tulip heron]

whats a good cast build for achilles spear?

[stone rune]

hunting blades

lightning phalanx

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1138317084787474513/image.png

what do i od

dstriike?

i think dstrike

[signal aspen]

jolted

[stone rune]

got sea storm instead of beaver

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/880/477/20a.jpg

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1138322894993231973/image.png

pretty spicy

[latent moon]

Why dstrike lmao

Jolted always

[stone rune]

ely head things

[latent moon]

Eh

Tag them then shoot something else

Shared suffering

[stone rune]

i got jolted later tho

[latent moon]

Fair I guess

[obsidian linden]

where's is the hall of shame ?

[latent moon]

here

[obsidian linden]

I can't post pictures

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/@hadesspeedrunninghallofshame

[obsidian linden]

ok, I wasn't looking so low

I'm in the last room before daddy

fontaine already drink 2 room before

what Dionysus propose me:

[stone rune]

just got mirageless sub30 lernie

pretty cool

[obsidian linden]

replacement of divine dash by drunken dash

After party

and strong drink

2 useless, 1 detrimental

[stone rune]

strong drink is good

[obsidian linden]

I've no fontaine to drink

[stone rune]

not his problem

[royal widget]

Is there a balance/gameplay reason survival rooms are only in Tartarus?

[stone rune]

probably just enemies getting too annoying or something

imagine like

armored shield survival

or gorgon head

[royal widget]

can wells not give you darkness/gems in styx

[obsidian linden]

Charged Volley is so busted, it's not even funny

[stone rune]

??

are we talking about the same hammer here?

[obsidian linden]

at this point, I've to ask what are the cons of this power and how to play it bad

[stone rune]

where you hold special to charge it?

[obsidian linden]

yeah

it's broken

[stone rune]

yeah because it doesnt do anything

[obsidian linden]

the power boost is insane!

[stone rune]

the cons of charged volley are the fact that it exists and the fact that you took it

the only reason to take charged volley is if your screen has relentless volley concentrated volley and charged volley

or sniper shot ig

maybe explo if ur not feeling it

it's just like

actual nothing hammer

[obsidian linden]

of all my Hades win, Charged Volley was my quickest

[stone rune]

idkman just get an actual good build

[obsidian linden]

I wish I had put em4

[stone rune]

probably more indicative of u getting better than of hammer being good

[obsidian linden]

so you're telling me that 250% damage boost do nothing worth of noting?

[stone rune]

yea

it's on zagbow or hera special

[royal widget]

I'd rather not be standing still for more than 2 seconds

[obsidian linden]

I'm currently tearing threw the game with extreme violence!!!

||my grammar is wrong somewhere||

[twin thistle]

ig cvolley can kinda make sense on aspectless bow but on upgraded zag bow or hera youre better off building your attack

[stiff obsidian]

my pom spawned off screen on lava and i had to lose a dd to collect it

[obsidian linden]

skill issues

[obsidian linden]

I've trouble believe that but I'll try other things next time

[amber kraken]

oh, giving bouldy nectar actually gets me something? I thought I was just doing a bit

[amber kraken]

I used to think the twink was the harder one during the boss battle because of his shield but now that Im a bit more experianced I seem to be struggling more with Arterious

[pure karma]

Does anyone know if there is a mod that makes the cursor super visible? Even with the high contrast cursor option, I still lose sight of it amidst the chaos.

[bright sentinel]

He's easy to never get hit by but takes WAY too long to kill through his shield

[amber kraken]

It does help that I just go and ask Than to delete him when he starts his phase 2

[bright sentinel]

Dunno what that actually even means but sounds strong

[amber kraken]

It'll make sense once you start maxing out relationships with specific characters ;)

[obsidian linden]

Hello again everyone

Since I'm still missguided (and I still don't konw my grammar) I'll ask you for my next seed

My darker thirst is on Spear and the first room is hammer

Which spear and keepsake to choose ?

[latent moon]

The hammer options might change depending on the aspect

[obsidian linden]

Oh yeah, forgot that

[latent moon]

Could do tidal dash start on Achilles and luck into a good cast build

Flurry Jab

[obsidian linden]

Every spear is full blood expect Zagreus

[latent moon]

Or do Aphrodite/artemis/poseidon special guan yu if you get charged skewer

[obsidian linden]

I love flurry jab + Zeus

[latent moon]

That also works

I think most prefer Artemis because it opens up hunting blades

[obsidian linden]

Wait, I've Charged Skewer as an option

[latent moon]

But Zeus opens up lightning phalanx so it's still good

[latent moon]

Try guan Yu and see if it's there lmao

[obsidian linden]

And I never use the special

Time for me to try

[latent moon]

Wait you can't get charged skewer on Achilles I thought

[obsidian linden]

Don't worry, I love the prospect of Gwan Yu

[latent moon]

Oh you're using guan yu

Yeah just special spam that thing

[obsidian linden]

I kind of regret damage contrôle now so restart

Forgot to ask for the Keepsake but Aphrodite is give sexy damage so let's go what that

And praying to get Heroic in Lethal Lava Land

And of course I only get Epic Attack from her

[latent moon]

Nice

[obsidian linden]

Time to see Chaos

No egg mean no dice I guess ?

After a promise of 13% rarity boon, I get Epic Strong Dring chamber 5

I love that start after all

I'm a dumb f

Got Aphrodite in a epic chamber

The 4 witch

Didn't get special

Take Life Affirmation because Epic and Guan Yu

Didn't try to dice one time

Euredyce is next chamber...

I'm an noob

[formal citrus]

Guan yu spin charged could take out some of them if you can charge it up while they spawn but still probably annoying, esp in room start

[formal citrus]

In aspho with no special boon

[obsidian linden]

Yep

Only got Zeus

Obviously try to get anything else

[formal citrus]

Lol yup

[obsidian linden]

Got 2 DD eated by Hightened security, lava and joycon drift (if I don't pay attention for half a second, I can start walking direction north)

My next pay is gonna be new joycon

[formal citrus]

You can send them to nintendo to fix for free apparently

We have been meaning to do that

Not that owning a pro controller has been bad but

[obsidian linden]

Name one personne who know who have done that

Also, I'm in Japan and I don't konw japanese

[formal citrus]

? Oddly aggressive response. If you want to buy new ones instead of looking into getting them fixed, go for it. Just trying to save you some money.

[pure karma]

People use Thanatos when Meg exist?

[amber kraken]

Do not pit your boyfriend and girlfriend against each other for you have two hands 😌

[obsidian linden]

I wasn't mean to be agressive like that

I'm sorry

[pure karma]

It's too late, Tisiphone is on the way

[stone rune]

does nintendo fix switches too

and does it cost like the price of getting a new one

[obsidian linden]

It's just... Who want today to try that knowing it will not be just getting to a Nintendo store (who obviously doesn't exist outside of Japan) and getting a new pair

[amber kraken]

Anyway. I like Than more purely cause the damage

[stone rune]

meg is generally better

enough damage, drops much faster and has lineups for every miniboss

[obsidian linden]

I love bouldy

Free health

[pure karma]

The delay is atrocious for me

[obsidian linden]

And money

[amber kraken]

I got used to timing it very well

On phase transitions it hits bosses very reliably

[stone rune]

it's not gonna hit all 4 witches though

[pure karma]

NOOOO I refuse to accept you are better than me at something, I have to get angry now and call you names

[amber kraken]

So for Thesius and REDACTED (do we still do that or can we say his name?) he actually works great

[stone rune]

it won't reliably hit the power couple

probably not bombers

and for heroes the meg is a lot easier

[pure karma]

I havent unlocked the last companion and I cannot fo r the life of me remember who it was

like at all

[stone rune]

there's antos

[pure karma]

lol

[obsidian linden]

LoL, this is possible ?!?

[pure karma]

This server...

[stone rune]

meg than dusa skelly patty bouldy

[pure karma]

I dont remember antos

what does it do

[obsidian linden]

Jazz have too much dps

[stone rune]

2 1500 hits

[pure karma]

must suck if I have never used it 300 hours

[stone rune]

pretty sure that one also has delay

and doesnt have the aoe meg has

[twin thistle]

only time i use antos is if i keep dying to furies in high heat with melee

[pure karma]

teleporting witches with echoes and FO2

hell

almost died in that room,

[latent moon]

Classic

[pure karma]

https://pasteboard.co/vER9p6UbOGC4.png

Guess I;ll die

[sour fog]

jesus christ

[stone rune]

just use beo

2ez

[winged valve]

outside of meg's companion, what's the next one I should focus on upgrading?

[pure karma]

what heat are you playing?

if you dont have the no heal pact, then bouldy

[latent moon]

Bouldy is the only other one I'd consider using if I couldn't use meg tbh

Bouldy is good for casual running

[pure karma]

You know what

51 heat is too stressfull because of TD3

I am going TD2

[latent moon]

What pact are you gonna do to replace it lmao

[pure karma]

I will just lower heat

[latent moon]

Oh fair enough

Or at that point

[pure karma]

I could go approval

[latent moon]

Could turn down js/cp/dc instead

[pure karma]

td3 just sucks

[latent moon]

Have you considered the other 3 pacts also sucking

And eating away at your time

[pure karma]

ok let me try then

46 heat

well, I am happy what that tbh

[stone rune]

what pact are you using

[pure karma]

https://pasteboard.co/O8LAN2jBsMwi.png

[stone rune]

em4 might be the issue here

[pure karma]

I am stressed long before I reach hades

I have only beaten 51 heat once with a massive zeus shueld build

that will never happen again

[stone rune]

just do like

hestia

[pure karma]

I was avoiding hestia because of DC

now I can go I guess

[stone rune]

for 50 an easy hestia pact is

hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri1 ap2 td3 pl

[pure karma]

RI?

you what?

[latent moon]

Tbf hestia needs like 2 boons

Attack and special

[stone rune]

attack and dash really

[latent moon]

Or that yeah

[stone rune]

or just attack

[pure karma]

ap2 though

ok lets try

[latent moon]

Ri hurts mainly because dark foresight begone and therefore boons begone but hestia doesn't need too many boons

[stone rune]

just get stubborn roots

[latent moon]

Ap2 is cursed tho

[stone rune]

altho if ur unmodded ur gonna have to reset for attack

and u cant reset for rarity unless u wanna feel true pain

so yea

[pure karma]

what do you mean unmodded

there is a mod for hestia?

[stone rune]

speedrun modpack

gives u 4 choice on first boon

[pure karma]

what is even that

[latent moon]

Ap1 em4 might work if you're fine with em4

[stone rune]

and other stuff

[latent moon]

Could knock off some heat elsewhere

[stone rune]

probably still end up with bad damage tho

cause u would also need ri0 for good build

[pure karma]

EM4 really depends on the rest of the run

but I can probably do it with hestia

maybe go with shackle?

since ap2

[stone rune]

just aphrodite

you want acorn

[latent moon]

Js1 em4 ap1 then

[pure karma]

betting right now that first boon is gonna aphro strike, epic and it will be scratched out

[latent moon]

Bank up more time for em4

[stone rune]

are u on pc

[pure karma]

yeah

[stone rune]

could use modpack

takes away some of the more egregious rng elements that come in at 40+ heat

[pure karma]

will try it after

[latent moon]

Makes higher heats easier lmao

[stone rune]

just more feasible

[latent moon]

Yeah

[pure karma]

https://pasteboard.co/ucGcx7vazOmK.png

I said it

not epic but still

[stone rune]

common tho

[gray apex]

If you're sticking to unmodded best to just shackle

or swap to a different weapon

[pure karma]

ok I am gonna try the mod

[stone rune]

do u keep common thunder flourish on rama

[latent moon]

I think there's like 1 break point it misses iirc

If only 1 bolt hits

Or something

I wanna say unarmored witch but I'm not too sure

[pure karma]

I cannot find this mod in the nexus

[latent moon]

It's on Speedrun.com

Under resources

All the way at the bottom iirc, something about modpack 1.3.0 or something

Made by like 5 people

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1138517529774526596/image.png

which side is shop on in this room

feels like left

[pure karma]

Are you talking about starting boon selector?

[latent moon]

Is it always guaranteed to be a certain side

[latent moon]

No

[stone rune]

yep it was left

[pure karma]

ok I found it

[stone rune]

im so baller with it too

do u pom first thunder flourish pom or first lightning strike

[latent moon]

Why do you have lightning strike

[stone rune]

oh

uhhh

whats it called

aphrodtie

[latent moon]

Lmao

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1138518207519531028/image.png

[latent moon]

If you are missing that break point I'd consider thunder flourish once

Oh bruh

Welp

Take splitting lmao

Can't miss a break point that way

[stone rune]

those ely eyes are gonna be so dead

[pure karma]

what does this modpack do exactly? I entered a run, got a hammer and it's only rovket bomb

[latent moon]

Guarantees first hammer to be your choice

4 boon options for first boon

[pure karma]

what choice

[latent moon]

No barge, tony, or bull

[stone rune]

for hestia good hammer is hazard bomb

[pure karma]

it just picked on its own

[latent moon]

2 sack guarantee

[stone rune]

u can turn all stuff off if u want

[latent moon]

You have to configure that in settings

[pure karma]

huh

[latent moon]

In the courtyard hit "b" then "settings" next to your summon

You can pick hammers from there

[stone rune]

configure

or whatever

[latent moon]

And options too

[stone rune]

dawg

i just hit epic swift flourish

special only arc

[latent moon]

Just realized I could've sent this lmao

[pure karma]

Wouldnt this be... cheating?

[latent moon]

if you want to download the speedrunning modpack it is available at https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources
all of its features can be toggled on or off and it includes:

• guaranteed 2 sack
• guaranteed first hammer
• first boon offers all 4 core boons
• removes tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death minibosses
• shows fountain rooms
  there are also a few qol features such as a quick reset feature and the ability to toggle hell mode, as well as a colorblind mode.

instructions for downloading the modpack are in the file "instructions.txt" in the modpack folder

[stone rune]

it's a pretty normal thing

[latent moon]

There's a separate leaderboard on Speedrun.com

[stone rune]

most people these days play with it on

[latent moon]

But it's leaderboard legal

[pure karma]

so I am just an idiot for brute forcing my way through RNG?

[latent moon]

Wouldn't call you an idiot if you didn't know it existed lmao

Not everyone knows it exists

And not everyone can even use it

[stiff obsidian]

does the gorgon head assistant stun bosses

[whole comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npcDMQxwH-M
Those who found Heat 64 too easy and want for a real challenge

[pure karma]

What is vorime'd

[stone rune]

so

in agdq

vorime started poseidon

and didnt get flood flare

rolled it down

thats what the mod avoids

[latent moon]

No clue because I've never seen anyone use it lmao

[pure karma]

so it ensures poseidon always spanws flare?

[stone rune]

it gives you all 4 cores

[stiff obsidian]

im using it for the codex entry

[latent moon]

The short answer is that that's the 4 boon start thing

[stone rune]

on first boon

[latent moon]

Figure out the answer yourself then lmao I don't think anyone here can give you an answer

Reddit prob can

[stiff obsidian]

yeah

even if it does i guess meg is faster

[latent moon]

Always is

[stiff obsidian]

it deals damage but doesnt stun

[formal citrus]

All good

[pure karma]

so, AP 2 can actually ruin your build

hadnt considered that

I am forced to chance my strike

[formal citrus]

Yeah, it's not recommended

[stone rune]

for 50 hestia it is

[formal citrus]

Also for 64

[stone rune]

i prefer ap1 for my 64 runs

[latent moon]

I prefer dc64

[pure karma]

When hades realizes you are playing Hestia:
https://pasteboard.co/sj4DiBJxWDyw.png

I dont think I can get out of this one

unless I normal fire

[latent moon]

Lmao it do be like that sometimes

[stone rune]

yea that’s how to approach that

still big time sink tho

[winged valve]

i have to say it's pretty incredible how badly i've had a run messed up from not getting that first boon

I just had a hera run where I took aphro keepsake, didn't get her cast on the first boon

[latent moon]

Get vorime'd

[winged valve]

I dont' think my build "recovered" until Elysium or something like that

once you miss that first chance, afterwards when you see aphrodite she'll often only offer you a core boon

sorry one core boon

so it's easy to keep missing it

[latent moon]

Can be more than one iirc

[stone rune]

yeah it can be

[formal citrus]

Times I give up and get a different aspect

[winged valve]

yeah, it's just kind of annoying with hera, for me at least

most other casts either go flying away or suck for other reasons

[twin thistle]

bp2 my beloved https://imgur.com/a/vCbJ0n8

[formal citrus]

Even more wins for dio aid

But actual use the dam call

[stiff obsidian]

who in your opinion is the most developed/fav character

[formal citrus]

Could ask in the story channel

[stiff obsidian]

RIGHT

oops caps

right

this is a nice game

[royal warren]

Weird interaction: started run with Blood-Filled Vial, Chamber 1 hammer, Chamber 2 key, Chamber 3 gold, Chamber 4 preview = Artemis. Instead of forcing Ares in the next chamber, it forced Ares in this Erebus gate I'm looking at and have to take now

[stone rune]

yeah thats getting erebusd

[latent moon]

Yeah that happens

[meager shuttle]

Lol

Godspeed

[latent moon]

That happened to me on an Achilles run lmao

Ares on the door, pos on erebus

Took ares tho

[stone rune]

at least that ones good

[latent moon]

Yeah

[stone rune]

how bad are ely erebus

yea im not risking superelite

[latent moon]

You don't take them ever for heat

And considering you play 9 heat you can't even do aspho Erebus lmao

[stone rune]

i always took them back in boonless mirrorless 33 grind

just needed the health

[royal warren]

I take Erebus very early in Region 1 sometimes, and never elsewhere

Basically when you don't mind resetting the run

Although I've had plenty of runs with failed Erebus without reset

[stone rune]

im doing 50 zagshield rn

[royal warren]

BTW can you get Erebus'd below 5 heat?

I have 6 specifically to enable Erebus right now

[stone rune]

yes

they still appear

you just cant take them

[formal citrus]

If you aren't aware, the charge won't be spent if you don't take it,

[meager shuttle]

Woo

[royal widget]

watching new players play hades is so funny

seeing how they think

lightning strike on bow

[mint coral]

Had a friend trading T.blood for gems even knowing what it's used for

[stone rune]

what are gemstones for again

[royal widget]

music

oh

cosmetics

[mint coral]

And the first lvl of most renovations like gold urns/fountain/etc

[latent moon]

Flat damage soup tho

[royal widget]

he has greater evasion and quick recovery

[stone rune]

optimal for hc uptime

[royal widget]

less than 2k darkness

[stone rune]

got the spirit

[royal widget]

anyways

does swift strike boost charge speed

[stone rune]

on standing strikes

[latent moon]

For cshot shield I'm pretty sure it does but not entirely sure

[latent moon]

Good soup

[crystal star]

If I were to do a Zeus cast build

What weapons should I use

[latent moon]

Achilles

Or Poseidon

Preferably Achilles probably

[twin thistle]

achilles ig tho like zeus cast damage doesnt scale well into bosses

[royal widget]

it's terrible

i tried on hera

[stone rune]

well it's not gonna be good on hera

[latent moon]

That's because you used Hera lmao

[twin thistle]

ig you can get cold fusion but then youre just playing jolted

yeah hera doesnt have funny +150%

i suppose with achilles it might not be that bad till dad

[formal citrus]

Sea storm flurry shot was kinda neat ngl

[winged valve]

you probably already know but just in case, may want to do athena cast with zeus duo instead. it basically turns your athena cast into kind of a zeus cast, but with way higher base damage

ran that on achilles and it was pretty great, would work well on poseidon too

[crystal star]

Ive done that build already

[drowsy linden]

i love thunder flourish bow

[crystal star]

Chiron?

[drowsy linden]

aspectless

now i dont use bow

[crystal star]

Have you not unlocked any aspects

[drowsy linden]

it was a while ago(like 20-40 runs), now i just dont use bow unless its for a prophecy

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1138617223196446891/image.png

that's beautiful

would have been 4 for 1 on beo

[median spear]

skelly might unironically be my favorite character , but god damnit is his voice annoying

now dad's voice hoh hoo

[mint coral]

Logan's work as hades is 🙏

[formal citrus]

Korb tho

[latent moon]

It's korbin time

[tropic agate]

I feel like I should know who Korb is

[latent moon]

He did all the music for this game

[tropic agate]

Ah

[latent moon]

Darren korb

[tropic agate]

Well I now have that knowledge in my head

I wanna do a run of hades rn

[mint coral]

Also the VA of zag and skelly

And sings as Orpheus

[pure karma]

Which Fury do you all have the most problems with? For me Alecto is the hardest by far.

[gray apex]

It's probably Alecto for most people

[formal citrus]

And apparently has the speed record on the team lol.

[gloomy storm]

darren korb is my only motivation to produce music day to day

[limber ether]

I agree with alecto being the hardest

[sour fog]

For me it's Tis because I hate the little room

[formal citrus]

Lol, would be Eris I get Crystal clarity in tart with (when running Zeus keepsake lol)

Probably second best aspect for it. Worked out alright

Fully loaded too

Using 105 global damage as cast damage probably isn't bad

I forgot to try to grab sea storm and mirage shot

[stiff obsidian]

funny bug asterius bull rushed at skelly but i killed skelly before he reached him so he kept running on the spot untill i phased asterius

[pastel monolith]

i agree with mike, alecto for me is the worst one.. meg is standard and im used to her.. tisiphone is easy bc i like how she resets and its easy to get her when she resets.. but alecto idk whats going on most of the time i just try to spam whatever attacks i have at the moment and in tartarus its not always very much

[coarse tapir]

man I wish bull rush had aim assist enabled

I play on keyboard only and every weapon is fine to use, even rail special since you can aim it with arrow keys, but bull rush has nothing and it's impossible to aim with only 8 directions available

[pastel monolith]

i think theres a setting to make it follow ur mouse cursor

ive never played with mouse n keyb tho so not sure