Its so frustrating
#h1-discussion
peak carbon
stone rune
man
latent moon
Just unlucky
stone rune
i hate rats so much
peak carbon
I hope they replace rats with something... not awful
latent moon
Lmfao rip
tepid light
remember, elysium is not for the good, it's for the great
in other words
git great
stiff obsidian
zag bow is great why was i using chiron
tepid light
i actually don't remember what upgrades to zag bow do
latent moon
Cirt chance
stiff obsidian
15% crit chance
stone rune
crit cahnce
tepid light
gotcha
tepid light
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/026/738/future.jpg
'the world if zeus special worked with chiron'
stiff obsidian
i only used chiron because i only hit half my shots with attack
drowsy linden
found a heroic thunder flourish on zeus shield
there goes my dire misfortune curse of agony run
autumn rose
asterius' charge is so damn annoying
hed be running in a straight line then as im about to dash he does a random swivvle
then he's right on me and i can't dash again
tepid light
Yeah that charge can definitely be difficult
Though there are some entertaining interactions against it
Like with Lightning Reflexes
autumn rose
it's so weird
stone rune
the most annoying move is that god forlorn throw
autumn rose
he starts going in different directions at random intervals
stone rune
i hate that so much
tepid light
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1001949371232948254/...
I think that was one of the first things I saw when I first joined the server
latent moon
Based
tepid light
I remarked on how fun Zeus special and chiron were
And I think you immediately replied with that
Was honestly a very entertaining first impression
stiff obsidian
does explosive shot slow charge up actually balance out the x300% boost
stiff obsidian
so it makes other attack buffs near obsolete
drowsy linden
triple shot so good, especially single target damage(never even gotten the hammer before)
mint coral
Is not bad but twin shot comfy
tepid light
triple shot is definitely a bow hammer, in fact it is one of the bow hammers of all time; it is one of the choices you can pick, and is capable of damage
twin thistle
its actually good tho
latent moon
Sniper shot isn't capable of damage
stone rune
triple is good
gray apex
Sniper shot isn't capable of damage
probably not using it right
and not using distant memory
drowsy linden
distant explosive sniper
stiff obsidian
i insta phased asterius with twin shot exploding shot art attack double crit 
formal citrus
I find sinking all three triple shots in so difficult unless explosive.
twin thistle
just remember bow is a melee weapon https://imgur.com/a/N0FucPT
formal citrus
Was that flurry?
Does monster size determine feasibilityor can you triple hit every enemy every time
gray apex
That is indeed flurry
stone rune
Does monster size determine feasibilityor can you triple hit every enemy every t...
it depends on enemy
better example is triple jab
on dad you can land all 3 but most enemies you cant
on triple you can theoretically hit all on every enemy
but it requires a lot better positioning
mint coral
You can land triple jab on dad?
stone rune
yea
mint coral
Nice
formal citrus
Wild
stiff obsidian
i see why exploding shot isnt as good as it sounds
drowsy linden
how much must i give to skelly in order to achieve something different from just spamming nectar
also what should i spend my blood on? i have all the right aspects(no hidden ones yet) without any upgrades(1 on eris and achilles)
7 ambrosia and 14 blood
stone rune
MAX HESTIA BABY
formal citrus
~~actually i think ill max nemesis~~
Max whatever weapon your e enjoying the most, yeah
winged valve
I think I really don't get nemesis. tried a second run with it, run was a mess
stiff obsidian
i think my time sucks so im going to go deeper into tighter deadline
my average time is 25 min + lmao
winged valve
feel like i'm doing all thsi work to get these crit dash attacks, and on other weapons I'm doing that damage with much less effort
stiff obsidian
but thats because i afk a lot and keep reading and rereading my boons
or just running and dashing around because i can
after i clear a chamber
drowsy linden
i just harpie feather duster everything
formal citrus
but thats because i afk a lot and keep reading and rereading my boons
Yeah, gotta check your boons during timer paused times, like when gaining new boons
stone rune
I think I really don't get nemesis. tried a second run with it, run was a mess
are you dash striking
formal citrus
Not doing those two should save a bit of time
stiff obsidian
yeah
drowsy linden
alright got a zeus sword dash build going, all i need is greatest reflex
seen 2 hermes so far
stone rune
seen 2 hermes so far
you can only get 2
drowsy linden
noooo
drowsy linden
does purging allow for more?
stone rune
no
pastel monolith
yeah dash attack as many dashes as u have and special .. and repeat
pretty much all u do with sword
winged valve
yeah it just feels really lame
pastel monolith
regular attack combo stinks.. unless maybe u get specific hammers that make it something like flurry or the one that makes a big chop
even then..
another one is regular attack twice and then special
attack attack special repeat
anything better than going thru the full basic sword attack combo
drowsy linden
flurry or shadow slash on zeus dash build
twin thistle
stone rune
hoarding
shadow doesnt work
flurry is really bad
and hoarding is like 5 damage sometimes
so the 5 damage sometimes is the best option
drowsy linden
i spend ALL my obol on styx but sure
drowsy linden
well yeah no better options
stone rune
and hoarding gives the tiny eeny boost
twin thistle
wait doesnt hoarding only apply to standing strikes
drowsy linden
gets hoarding slash
proceeds to spend money on hydralite
twin thistle
oh shadow is the one that doesnt
pastel monolith
i remember hearing something once where it doesnt count for dash strikes only regulat attack with sword.. i forget what it was tho.. but maybe something with back stab? as far as i always assumed .. all "attack" buffs with sword apply to dash strike too
can anyone confirm or tell me the exceptions?
pastel monolith
thats the one i was thinking of for sure
stone rune
breaching slash does
pastel monolith
thats surprising
pastel monolith
so weird
thanks again jazz♡ always with the quick responses and answers
i rly apreciate u
gray apex
np
drowsy linden
alright got a zeus sword dash build going, all i need is greatest reflex
YEAASSSS
epic greflex
as promised, i have heard 0 rumors about hermes from skinny individuals who are uninclined to move
now if the artemis boon gives increased dashstrike damage...
heroic hunter dash or thunder dash with splitting bolt and jolting
i do have the "dashstrike hits twice" hammer on sword
drowsy linden
how?
stone rune
Thunder Dash (non-Arthur sword only)
If you buffer a second dash strike, no matter which way you input it, the sword will point the same direction as the first dash strike
not a big deal
drowsy linden
also, i do have "attack does lightning"
drowsy linden
time to finally get some more blood and escape with sword
damageboosted hades and took 200 damage
for skelly lock, i need to max zag aspect on sword right?
pastel monolith
skelly lock?
mint coral
Heart lock
mint coral
for skelly lock, i need to max zag aspect on sword right?
And yeah
pastel monolith
oh.. yeah I have no idea lol
drowsy linden
how much blood?
i have 16 blood, 7 ambrosia
mint coral
Zag aspects are always 5 blood to max
drowsy linden
is there any indication for if a fish is legendary/very rare?
sour fog
if you mean indication in the fishing spot then you can get any quality from any spot
if you get perfect catch you get either rare or legendary
if you get normal catch you get either common or rare
there's one of each in each biome
drowsy linden
i meant i want to know how i can check the rarity of a fish(in the codex, if it shows up when i catch it, etc)
sour fog
oh
in the codex I think they are ordered
common rare legendary
and again next biome
but otherwise I don't think so
you can check full list here if you want
drowsy linden
are there any benefits to streaks besides bragging rights and a few specific dialogues
formal citrus
don't think so
drowsy linden
does giving up count as ending a run in terms of dialogue and nectar?
latent moon
I should get a high win streak lmao
latent moon
does giving up count as ending a run in terms of dialogue and nectar?
Yeah
If you give up a run it acts as if it never happened
drowsy linden
If you give up a run it acts as if it never happened
will i keep progress with gifts during that run?
autumn rose
does aspect of demeter work with thunder flourish
gray apex
does aspect of demeter work with thunder flourish
Well if you mean the lightning bolts from thunder flourish then no. They have internal cooldowns
So it’ll be 1 bolt
autumn rose
😞
latent moon
Get internal cooldowned
drowsy linden
alright, beo and bouldy await
drowsy linden
oh shoot guan yu against all 3 sisters for the first time
crystal star
Gg
drowsy linden
nvm its just theseus, thought it was gonna be all 3 at the same time
drowsy linden
:zagtroll: when
anyways yes i definitely meant artemis effect from theseus
crystal star
Im even more confused now
drowsy linden
just know that i accidentally went too high on pact of punishment with no gain and encountered the new technique effect with guan yu for the first time
crystal star
just know that i accidentally went too high on pact of punishment with no gain a...
Aight im just gonna accept that I will never understand you
drowsy linden
mission accomplished
winged valve
So it’ll be 1 bolt
is it exactly one, or like 2 or something? I wonder this for quite a few abilities
Like Rama special too
I've heard for chiron you usually get 2-3 bolts, I think?
formal citrus
is it exactly one, or like 2 or something? I wonder this for quite a few abiliti...
It's a cooldown timer of 0.2s
I think your counts there are correct
But haven't confirmed myself since they all look like multiple bolts
Demeter special and rams special are pretty quick
winged valve
yeah, you just look at the damage numbers I think. If the damage is close enough together it gets added together
i did Dio for my couple of Rama runs so far because I wasn't sure if Zeus would work
mint coral
zeus chiron is usually 1-2 from my experience
maybe 3 if you angle the special in a weird way
that said rama zeus is still great
good way to spread static discharge across the room, and as always with zeus you get good sinergy with himself
winged valve
right, makes sense
will see I guess. for rama I ran artemis on attack, dio on special, the idea being to boost the crit chance. It's nice but I didn't find it to be that crazy
coarse raptor
Exit wounds with Poseidon sword is such a brutal combo
mint coral
will see I guess. for rama I ran artemis on attack, dio on special, the idea bei...
for crit rama you mainly want just more additive dmg + hunter's mark can be a little bit tricky to use if you spam your special
if you want more consistency you can use aphro as always
drowsy linden
hooray my guan yu run was the free pass
sadly my memory is too good so i still remember the surprise
damn it the credits told me that addl exists
formal citrus
Would hazard rocket be more crazy than clockets?
Also, is targeting hazard possible m
mint coral
targeting hazard yeah
latent moon
Would hazard rocket be more crazy than clockets?
would probably be one of the better combos probaby
i dont want to do the math or testing to figure out if it's better tho lmao
eris would still prefer clockets tho ofc
unless hyper sprint sturdy blocks the hit stun when you damage yourself but you'd be taking a lot of damage over time lmao
stone rune
do u think if targ was base damage hestia would be targ and hazard
formal citrus
targ isn't base damage?
latent moon
Oh I misread the whole thing lmao
I thought you said what if hazard was base
I misread it twice lmao
My point still stands tho
Doesn't fall fast enough to deal damage
And prob not great for boss fights
stone rune
it's really sad
latent moon
Like meg and prob dad
stone rune
it's actually pog enough for boss fights usually if you have the le epic prediction skill
since the aoe is massive
latent moon
True
stone rune
it's just that the delay is so long that you've killed the enemy in rooms already by the time the first one drops
latent moon
since the aoe is massive
Easy clear on tis
It's prob really good on lernie tho
Heroes if you have good juice going in maybe although most of Hestia's juice is clockets in ely lmao
drowsy linden
do plume and than's keepsake keep effect after unequipping or do i have to take them all the way
stone rune
you have to keep them for them to work
latent moon
I mean even if you could take them off and keep the boosts they'd probably be negligible lmao
Unless you get like Rd and then you just keep plume
drowsy linden
for the companions missions, do i have to learn all there is about a character(talking) or can i just get them as soon as i reach 6 hearts
drowsy linden
Get them as soon as you give ambrosia I think
sorry, i meant for the mission to break the lock
dusa doesnt seem to want me to do anything just yet
right now i need 1 more conversation with dusa to learn more about her in the codex
upbeat walrus
Get them as soon as you give ambrosia I think
it’s first ambrosia
brisk trail
sorry, i meant for the mission to break the lock
dusa doesnt seem to want me to ...
to unlock dusa’s heart, ||you have to buy 12 lounge decorations from the house contractor, which have to include at least one rug and fixing cerberus’s fur and scratches||
drowsy linden
to unlock dusa’s heart, ||you have to buy 12 lounge decorations from the house c...
i dont need that, im mainly looking for how to get them to give me the mission
brisk trail
i dont need that, im mainly looking for how to get them to give me the mission
i guess keep talking to her?
i’m not really sure how to trigger the dialogue
sorry
obsidian linden
You have to fight Dusa in extrême mesure
latent moon
bold statement coming from someone with 15 or 16 of them
spice acorn
Can I upgrade a level of my zagreus aspect once to try and get the hidden aspect or does it have to be another
Already have like
4 invested in this one
mint coral
Can I upgrade a level of my zagreus aspect once to try and get the hidden aspect...
for hidden spear, no, you need to unlock 5 non zag aspects
for any other weapon yes
spice acorn
for hidden spear, no, you need to *unlock* 5 non zag aspects
for any other weapo...
Tryna get lucifer
spice acorn
Wait does unlocks also count or nah
spice acorn
Alright cause I got 4 in hestia, unlocked eris, so I should be able to get it when I talk to Zeus right
mint coral
yeah at that point is rng to get the awakening phrase
latent moon
it do be like that
remote linden
do i have to find an ambrosia naturally in order to buy it from the shop
latent moon
you get ambrosia from killing the heroes
remote linden
i know but on the wiki it says you can buy it in the shop for 2 diamonds
drowsy linden
i know but on the wiki it says you can buy it in the shop for 2 diamonds
wretched broker
remote linden
thats the shop i mean
i have 2 diamonds but the ambrosia wont show up in the shop
but i havent beaten the minotaur and guy yet
do i have to in order to buy more
latent moon
oh yeah you have to
technically speaking you've never discovered it yet so it shouldn't be offered in the shop
coral viper
How long did it take you to beat your first run
Like beat hades for the first time
For me it took like under 4 and a half hours
topaz cape
How long did it take you to beat your first run
idk in hours but I think I did it on 8th run?
ionic hemlock
tepid light
Person below me has to run 64 heat with chaos shield
void vigil
🫡
tepid light
GL
still python
How long did it take you to beat your first run
11th run
idk how long it took me to like
do it
but ik the time was like 19 minutes
which is just proof how stupid tight deadline
vague nexus
I play on switch
Question: how you guys don't get thumb joint pain?
I stretch many times a day but when I play Hades I get this pain
upbeat walrus
I play on switch
Question: how you guys don't get thumb joint pain?
I stretch ...
prob just be less aggressive with the joystick
(hades idk specifically but I play switch games lol)
peak carbon
I play on switch
Question: how you guys don't get thumb joint pain?
I stretch ...
Pro controller!!
The joycons are very small and hurt to use the thumbsticks on for a long time but with a pro controller it is less awkward cos of the size
mint coral
Can agree on that
Also the L and R buttons on the joy cons are super tiny so I hate them
peak carbon
Also the L and R buttons on the joy cons are super tiny so I hate them <:bouldy:...
FACTS
Those things are so small
mint coral
Most of the time the R button doesn't even register 
Or I press it and it presses twice
peak carbon
Switch hades also has noticeable loading times between chambers and fighting the flame wheels in elysium makes the game stutter and lag so much
I've never had noticeable load times or lag on ps5 once
Ps5 doesn't even make noise when I run hades unless it's saving and then sometimes it'll make a whirr
mint coral
Never had issues with the loading time cuz the only other platform I've played hades was on a potato laptop
peak carbon
Even between chambers the switch will take a few seconds to load
On ps5 there's no loading time
mint coral
Well last time I played I did cuz of the funny "high amount of runs>more loading time" thing
peak carbon
It's literally like, just the black transition screen and no loading
peak carbon
Well last time I played I did cuz of the funny "high amount of runs>more loading...
That's a thing? Oof
mint coral
Yup
peak carbon
Is there any point in giving resources to the shade in dad's room btw
mint coral
Resource dump
peak carbon
Cos I have been dumping resources in there bc I don't need darkness
mint coral
Just cosmetic changes
mint coral
Badge next to your hp bar
Btw I really mean it when is a resource dump
It takes 325k darkness and a bunch of the rest to max
peak carbon
Badge next to your hp bar
Thats all????
peak carbon
I don't rly need resources anymore tho
Well, I need titan blood and diamonds but that's all
Huh, why did the bot warn me
I didn't say any swears
tepid light
Yeah while I do appreciate them giving an option to spend spare resources at all, I do wish it was something more obvious/interesting
Even merely palette swaps for Zagreus would have been more compelling
formal citrus
Nah, new skins are being saved for the microtransactions
tepid light
I don't think they'd ever do that
Though tbh I don't think they're gonna do much more with Hades 1 in general
sharp stone
Which hades character is the most competitive during Musical Chairs
stiff obsidian
hermes
tepid light
hermes is the best at it, zag is the most competitive, zeus is the saltiest when he loses
demeter and hades are off on the sidelines watching the rest of them play
drowsy linden
persuasion or authority
gleaming sorrel
Can you get a Charon fight past the first to levels of the underworld?
stone rune
yes
mint coral
You can find Charon's bag up to elysium yeah
gleaming sorrel
Awsome
Now I have to pick...Charon,hammer, or chaos
It's between hammer and Charon really
stiff obsidian
u can do both
gleaming sorrel
No there the door options
latent moon
How much money do you have
gleaming sorrel
And I'm in alesium
282
I need the hammer for the hope of powering up gun special since I have the highest tear of aprho special.
latent moon
Fighting Charon isn't worth it at this point lmao chaos can work here if you don't need to buy anything
What's your first hammer
gleaming sorrel
Armor Peirce on primary which is ripping thru these guys
latent moon
And do you by chance have dark foresight on your mirror
gleaming sorrel
I've got boon switch
latent moon
I'm assuming this is about chamber 31 or something
gleaming sorrel
Most of my mirror is on yellow
gleaming sorrel
Whats the difference
latent moon
Dark foresight means you're more likely to find the hammer again
gleaming sorrel
Dark
latent moon
So you can skip this one and find it in the next room most likely
gleaming sorrel
But I'm close to the end of Elysium
latent moon
What chamber number
gleaming sorrel
28
latent moon
And how many hammer options have you skipped already
gleaming sorrel
None
gleaming sorrel
Only gotten 1
gleaming sorrel
That's like start of Elysium
I don't know things
latent moon
Yeah you can take chaos and probably find a hammer again soon after that
gleaming sorrel
Ok
latent moon
I don't know things
Last fight before Ely boss is 34
gleaming sorrel
latent moon
22 for asphodel
gleaming sorrel
Thankyou
latent moon
12 for Tartarus
gleaming sorrel
I didn't get a crazy bomb hammer, but I made Zagreus into a machine gun hahahaha
30ammo gone in a moment with crazy dpsn
drowsy linden
no triple cluster bomb smh
gleaming sorrel
Can you get triple with 5 shot
latent moon
I think so
mint coral
Can you get triple with 5 shot
do you mean triple bomb and cluster bomb?
gleaming sorrel
Yes
stone rune
you cannot
drowsy linden
how do i recieve the companion missions?
ive gotten skelly's, and all the others are at 6 hearts(with a lock), but none of them are doing anything
mint coral
how do i recieve the companion missions?
ive gotten skelly's, and all the others...
not all characters offer a prophecy to clear the lock, but at the end of the day is just "talk more with X character"
the ones that do offer companions and have a prophecy related to it tho are achilles (reunite him with patroclus)
sisyphus (release him)
and I think dusa also has one?
drowsy linden
dusa is renovations
mint coral
Than and Meg don't have prophecies related to their lock
winged valve
Any tips on Rama? I can tell it's very powerful, and I usually do well on it for a while. On tougher fights though, especially heroes/dad, I struggle with how long the normal attack takes to charge up
I think my last fight against theseus with Rama was the most frustrated I got with the game. Each time after his attack I tried to do the special-attack combo, I was never quick enough to land the attack
stone rune
releasing early is better than not at all
winged valve
been trying to do that more but the release time affects range too so it takes a certain amount of time
should I just get closer?
feels counter-intuitive but I guess you can release quicker...
stone rune
could watch some rama ameplay
stone rune
winged valve
yeah, probably a good idea
I know there's multiple good boon combos but is there anything that stands out and makes it a bit easier
stone rune
epic % attack or shackle
thunder flourish
flood shot with breaking wave
hunter dash
winged valve
i see, zeus still > dio on special?
stone rune
yes
good crowd control
instant
takes care of little dudes quick
you usually start with that
winged valve
aight, I'll try that. Yeah, idk I feel like dio for me has been kinda niche.
stone rune
the problem with dio is that firstly it's dot and second it depends on how many arrows hit
so it's much poorer aoe
winged valve
yeah, I mean it's single target, and its DOT, and it's capped... so you don't want one hit, but you don't want too many either
it's just ultra specific
ah but this clikp is with EM 3
maybe I should try EM3, I've seen people say EM3 theseus is actually easier... not sure how seriously to take that
winged valve
maybe I'll just get used to it then
I'm already using EM2 as my baseline even though I'm at very low heat
just because I figure it's better to get used to those fights, since they're not really that much harder, at least on most weapons
winged valve
yeah. I find it has almost no effect, except on short range melee weapons and the bone hydra, that's a bit annoying
like on the fists I end up taking some lava damage
stone rune
lernie tax
winged valve
still though the first two boss fights are pretty easy and you get a big heal afterwards
latent moon
epic % attack or shackle
thunder flourish
flood shot with breaking wave
hunter d...
This is like for speed lmao
stone rune
well it translates
latent moon
The only important things here is the attack and dash
stone rune
maybe flood shot is unnecessary
stone rune
but thunder flourish is so nice to have
stone rune
well i mean free damage is free damage
latent moon
Tdash sorta works
drowsy linden
first hitless lernie was from castless boonless hammerless keepsakeless hera
stone rune
where damage
drowsy linden
where damage
91 damage per hit bow
i had spearpoint(for prophecies), triple shot(for prophecy), casting hurts, and no attack boons.
special did absolutely nothing
stone rune
hammerless?
drowsy linden
hammerless?
triple shot hit nothing
stone rune
triple shot is like the second best attack hammer
drowsy linden
i saw the amazing discussion about it yesterday
tepid light
it is definitely one of the hammers of all time
stone rune
...
drowsy linden
why am i getting only demeter for theseus aid
the moment demeter appeared, she just stays
its like she knows about persephone
tepid light
what, don't you love running face first into a demeter hurricane while trying to get around theseus
mint coral
Theseus summons gods that are not in your god pool
so if you really hate having Dem aid Theseus you can just take a boon from Dem and done lol
drowsy linden
imagine if theseus could use hades call
DARKNESS
teleports behind zag
omae wa mu sinderu
also, why does styx contain so much gold
i get like a gold urn every single chamber
tepid light
I imagine it like he goes perma invis and only briefly reappears to attack before going invisible again
any attacks that track don't do so against him during that time
and ofc he still has his shield even if you do hit him while he's invisible
drowsy linden
aspect of tiny vermin when
stiff obsidian
my avg time went down from 23-27 mins down to 19 once i stopped wasting time running around breaking pots and stuff
drowsy linden
my avg time went down from 23-27 mins down to 19 once i stopped wasting time run...
when someone realizes they dont have to use harpy feather duster(totally not me)
stiff obsidian
i dont use it
i do it because its fun
i also like to break every pillar and column before leaving
tepid light
it's simple human instinct to break pots if there is no consequence for your actions
stiff obsidian
it's simple human instinct to break pots*
coarse tapir
how is it playing with just keyboard and no mouse? I play on laptop and have only trackpad
tepid light
how is it playing with just keyboard and no mouse? I play on laptop and have onl...
I'll be honest, that sounds like some pretty intense suffering
coarse tapir
so far it's been fine, got my first few clears on 0 heat and trying to get a clear with each weapon, but not sure how it will be on higher heat
stiff obsidian
despite never using mouse before this game i would much rather use a mouse
coarse tapir
autoaim seems pretty good
that's what I've been using to compensate for not having a mouse
and only being able to aim in like 8 directions
coarse tapir
you mean using the trackpad?
stone rune
how is it playing with just keyboard and no mouse? I play on laptop and have onl...
not bad
gray apex
It depends a bit on the weapon
stone rune
of course it’s better with mouse but you can do keyboard only for most weps
it’ll be painful for some stuff
but like rail is fine
stone rune
🗿
tepid light
Just plug in a controller and use keyboard + controller
i mean if he doesn't have a mouse i would assume a controller is out of the question
coarse tapir
yep I don't have a controller
stone rune
what’s importNt is that you can play hestia and that’s what really matters in hades
coarse tapir
aiming with some weapons like bow is a bit harder with just keyboard
tepid light
if you like hestia so much why don't you MARRY HER smh my head
coarse tapir
but it's not impossible
stone rune
some people actually play hera keyboard only
latent moon
what’s importNt is that you can play hestia and that’s what really matters in ha...
You can play Zeus shield too lmao
latent moon
some people actually play hera keyboard only
Wait I should try that
coarse tapir
I play all games with keyboard only
latent moon
That sounds so based
tepid light
i still think you should just get a mouse
no need to hamstring yourself if you don't need to
coarse tapir
which means any games that mandate requirement of mouse I don't play
tepid light
that's an approach i suppose
latent moon
Also fwiw croven used to do kb only and he was doing like 40 heat or something
coarse tapir
because I never play on the table
latent moon
Idk if he did speed at that point
tepid light
because I never play on the table
that's fair
stone rune
yeah croven played keyboard only arc
tepid light
have you tried FTL: Faster than Light, by chance?
stone rune
back in ye olden days
coarse tapir
no, because that game looks like you need a mouse
latent moon
Pizza box moment
tepid light
another roguelike game that doesn't require an actual mmouse
stone rune
i think that was when the dinosaurs were alive
coarse tapir
disclaimer: if the game is turn based, I use the trackpad
tepid light
no, because that game looks like you need a mouse
it doesn't actually, because of the pause function there's no real urgency
coarse tapir
since then mouse speed doesn't matter
tepid light
and you can take your time to click around
tepid light
Just suggesting because it seems you might like it
coarse tapir
like time still passed even while paused
stone rune
but hades is definitely playable keyboard only
coarse tapir
hmm ok, I will look into it
tepid light
You pause, click and do whatever you want, and then let things play out
Speaking as a person who played a lot of games during class using only keyboard and trackpad, I can guarantee you don't need a mouse to play it
coarse tapir
yeah there are lots of situations in which mouse is not feasible
such as class as you described
are there any other games like hades that don't require mouse
tepid light
Darkest dungeon
stiff obsidian
what does 100% completion in this game include
tepid light
No mouse needed, since it's turn based
stiff obsidian
i think fish codex entries are the last thing ill be finishing
tepid light
Slay the Spire, ccg so no mouse needed either
stone rune
what does 100% completion in this game include
well it depends on what your personal goals are
like unseen one
tepid light
Iratus: Lord of the Dead, same principle as darkest dungeon
stone rune
some amount of heat or speed
coarse tapir
Slay the Spire, ccg so no mouse needed either
I was wondering if there were any non turn based games that don't require a mouse
since hades you can play with just keyboard
yep I love slay the spire, played it a lot
stone rune
hollow knight
tepid light
Well, one game that comes to mind is Death Road to Canada
stone rune
thief
stiff obsidian
some amount of heat or speed
heat probably just enough to get the skelly trophy
stone rune
32?
stiff obsidian
yea
stone rune
simple enough
tepid light
Those are all the games that immediately come to mind for me
I play a lot of story rich RPG games that also don't require mouse, but I don't think that's what you're looking for
stiff obsidian
btw does clearing 64 heat have any special dialogue
stone rune
no
stiff obsidian
damn
stone rune
because it's been done three (3) times
coarse tapir
I play a lot of story rich RPG games that also don't require mouse, but I don't ...
I like story rich RPGs too, but not what I'm thinking of specifically for this question
tepid light
I like story rich RPGs too, but not what I'm thinking of specifically for this q...
I could still throw them your way if you're interested, of course
coarse tapir
sure
I recently played triangle strategy and it was awesome, my favorite SRPG ever now
also did not need a mouse
tepid light
Sunless Sea and Sunless Skies are good games, the exploration parts only use keyboard and the rest is dialogue panels you can just click through
The Divinity series as well, being a turn-based strategy game
One rather interesting game called Duskers I played a while back, just uses keyboard
The XCOM series as well
coarse tapir
Sunless Sea and Sunless Skies are good games, the exploration parts only use key...
should I play sunless sea or skies?
they have similar steam reviews and one is a sequel of the other
tepid light
should I play sunless sea or skies?
I mean I personally love both games so I'd say both, but although Skies is a 'sequel' its story is basically completely separate from Sea, so you're free to choose
latent moon
btw does clearing 64 heat have any special dialogue
If there was they'd make it more doable lmao
tepid light
If you clear 64 heat you get a personalized message from all the gods congratulating you on how awesome you are
stone rune
I like story rich RPGs too, but not what I'm thinking of specifically for this q...
roadwarden
novel crag
Goddamn I did not think EM3 and EM4 would be so hars
I couldn't even touch Thesieus and Asterius with my weapon
whole comet
Melee weapons sux in general, minus shield thx to blocking
stone rune
nem pog
latent moon
Certainly a strategy of all time
stiff obsidian
and highest heat and highest time (which is just 8 and 19 mins but still)
and i dont like fists
formal citrus
Zag plume is the exception to all my preferences about the game.
winged valve
I wouldn't go as far as suck but yeah I do think melee is harder
i feel like my hestia clears are my most brainless, easiest clears
winged valve
is it upgraded
stiff obsidian
ofc
winged valve
idk what heat you're on, for me it was very simple. Put aphro on attack, and just shoot, dash reload, shoot dash reload, etc
like the zag bow but more range, more damage, no tricky timing
sorry should be shoot reload-dash, shoot reload-dash, etc
stiff obsidian
i have a problem with the shoot part
winged valve
can't aim?
stiff obsidian
winged valve
I'm playing on controller so it's all auto aim
it does make using the special a bit more annoying at times
latent moon
<:hidethepain:1066469525530357800>
Turn off aim at cursor
Let auto aim do the work
You can still aim the special with your mouse tho
stone rune
nemesis:
autumn rose
i hate stygius
stiff obsidian
no one told me arthur is so cool
winged valve
every time I use arthur, I always feel like I'm getting hit an awful lot for how many hits I'm giving
and then the run is over and I didn't even use most of my DD's
stiff obsidian
feels like im slapping them really really hard
autumn rose
when hades just said in a flashback that the thing mortals have over gods is they quickly become men, this is the fury megaera she will accelerate that process,
what did he mean by that?
stiff obsidian
how many unique run end narrator dialogues are there
raw herald
46
formal citrus
what did he mean by that?
He had meg train young Zag which was probably difficult and might now be confusing
winged valve
on beowulf, I assume curse of drowning is much worse than mirage shot since it's never discussed. Why is that?
upbeat walrus
how many unique run end narrator dialogues are there
meaning like “swiftness of hermes” etc
upbeat walrus
on beowulf, I assume curse of drowning is much worse than mirage shot since it's...
well mirage is bugged
mint coral
ackward to use, it procs on zag position
mint coral
just casting all 3 takes longer than loading non cod casts and rush pretty sure
winged valve
and also sticks to zag, can’t be shot
well this is beowful so there's no shooting anyway
upbeat walrus
well this is beowful so there's no shooting anyway
charge shot tho
but
even still
winged valve
okay, charge shot isn't most beowulf builds though
I'm just talking for a standard beowulf build
does it freeze you in place while the pulses are occurring?
mint coral
the standard includes getting Cshot
mint coral
does it freeze you in place while the pulses are occurring?
it freezes you when pressing cast but you can move after
upbeat walrus
it does 3x damage but over a long time
mint coral
even for casual mirage is just way more simple to use
winged valve
standard for speedrunning maybe... in normal play you're not going to get a specific hammer on more than half your runs even
mint coral
if you wanted to play with cod, talos and achilles could be more fun
upbeat walrus
like, with mirage you can definitely get much more DPS even if you use drowning optimally if you’re even being remotely quick
winged valve
it freezes you when pressing cast but you can move after
oh wow
it freezes you while loading ?
mint coral
there is a weird delay yes
upbeat walrus
Achilles and curse of drowning is strong yea
winged valve
that's mega strange
mint coral
even on non cast loading weapons I'd prefer flood shot base tbh
upbeat walrus
you should try it on beo. you really have to see it for yourself I feel like
winged valve
okay, interesting. maybe if it comes up I'll try it once
yeah
I mean even if it's objectively worse
it's still better at the "make big numbers" game
mint coral
if you want big numbers you can use trippy flare
upbeat walrus
exactly what I was gonna say ^^
winged valve
it just seems like such a gamble
upbeat walrus
yea I am not a fan of Stygian
mint coral
even just +1 cast makes it bearable
winged valve
Like I think I've had runs without seeing chaos once
you need to see chaos, and get the roll you want, which means spending rerolls, which means fewer rerolls to actually hit e.g. mirage or whatever
mint coral
even just +1 cast makes it bearable
(said as I run into elysium with only 1 cast)
winged valve
yeah, with 2 casts it seems okay
mint coral
salt in the wound is when you equip charon's keepsake and proceed to no see prometheus stones
winged valve
that way you can do your thing every 1.5 seconds, or a bigger one every 3 seconds (vs e.g. bosses with few openings)
upbeat walrus
yea I mean it’s pretty lucky
winged valve
I mean I don't get to play that much so to sit down for an hour and have two failed stygian runs seems too painful of an evening
formal citrus
Wait curse of the drowning works on beo?
formal citrus
Wacky
winged valve
it just seemd obviously interesting because the trade-off is supposed to be 3x damage for no range
and beo already has no range
mint coral
you press cast, it freezes you for a small delay then it starts pulsating around you
if you have cshot it doesn't change that
formal citrus
So it basically just doesn't interact with beo
mint coral
is lots of fun when gone right
mint coral
So it basically just doesn't interact with beo
yeah lol
formal citrus
Very strange
mint coral
hey at least it does something
couldn't say the same when parting shot was available on beo 
mint coral
all casts are AoE so yeah you can't
formal citrus
Do the well items that boost first hit and backstab damage only apply to attack and special? unless parting shot or blown kiss?
winged valve
you press cast, it freezes you for a small delay then it starts pulsating around...
oh so it fires on load
I didn't understand that
okay, that sucks then 😂
mint coral
Do the well items that boost first hit and backstab damage only apply to attack ...
backstab only works for cast if you have parting shot yeah
undamaged works for everything
even without blown kiss
(and as fun fact: fiery presence boosts the dmg of any source only in ch1)
winged valve
the interesting thing I guess is that you can walk up to an enemy, hold block, and load the casts
you deal all the cast damage while blocking
and then dragonrush out to safety
so it's totally different gameplay
mint coral
talking without backup here but I don't remember if loading cod casts interrupts the block or not
latent moon
on the other hand very few people actually use COD beo
mostly because COD is pretty mid to begin with
mid/bad
winged valve
the main reason it's bad though is surely because of the cast animation though, right
like, if you could just tap cast and at the same speed as a light attack, get a triple power cast
that actually seems very strong
but it comes out a lot more slowly than that
actually, I found a video, idk if things have changed, but it doesn't fire on load
royal widget
does sea storm lightning damage get buffed by wave pounding?
mint coral
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ro9aox/cos_you_asked_for_it_curse...
huh
winged valve
Like, idk, in this video, it seems pretty good to me but it's hard to say without playing it, and feeling the delays.
mint coral
you can see how barely we use that thing
winged valve
heh
mint coral
does sea storm lightning damage get buffed by wave pounding?
shouldn't, lightning bolt isn't knockback
winged valve
well, I mean I just don't see anything so terrible about it? beowulf removes the two biggest problems of it: range, and cast time
definitely trying this tonight
formal solstice
do hades's pots count as traps?
royal widget
yes
formal solstice
thank you
mint coral
#h1-victory-boasting message
@royal warren even on non crush shot I don't feel dash nova is that good
you are playing a sword at the end of the day so being on melee range isn't an issue
And I always keep the truth that a decent cast build should be one shotting most common mobs
and well if it doesn't you are already in range to finish them off anyways
(unless you are using electric shot where your cast is probably not killing and flying off to the other side of the map)
winged valve
is Crush Shot actually good on poseidon aspect? I've always avoided it tbh
Fels like the bigger damage just isn't worth the huge loss in safety. on Poseidon aspect I usually go poseidon cast; spam it, special-dash if not dead, collect, repeat
It's pretty safe solid gameplay, reasonable fast
mint coral
I think is good but I don't like it
hard to deny crush shot massive base dmg
I prefer Athena's cast
just have to deal with missing and the casts going flying out of bounds sometimes
pretty sure my poseidon 32 was lightning phalanx + a stacked zeus call
the game is guessing what did more work actually
royal warren
I've tried Aspect of Poseidon with Casts from Aphrodite, Athena, Poseidon, Zeus, and probably prefer Athena and Poseidon, depending on your other boons (Poseidon is great if you get his legendary boon and Breaking Wave). Aphrodite cast is probably my least favorite on this aspect so far. Haven't really tried Artemis cast yet, expecting poor performance due to low damage, low crit chance, and being single target
royal warren
Unrelated:
- Theseus riding about the arena in a Macedonian Tau-Lambda with dual gatling guns, while his
raging bull companion is rampaging and chasing Zagreus - Zagreus summons a companion
- Theseus: "Fight fair!"
stone rune
signal aspen
real ones know the best cast for poseidon is ME
mint coral
so true
latent moon
Like, idk, in this video, it seems pretty good to me but it's hard to say withou...
on the other hand, COD blocks mirage shot lmao
so you'd rather just have mirage shot
winged valve
But why
winged valve
Its still only double damage
winged valve
I'm not sure
I'm sure there are reasons
Mirage doesn't add any delay, both instances pop simultaneously?
stone rune
Mirage doesn't add any delay, both instances pop simultaneously?
well
they take the same amount of time as normal
there is still some visible delay
winged valve
So it's not really different from cod?
winged valve
Isn't it 2/3s?
winged valve
Is each cod proc taking longer than each mirage proc?
stone rune
yes
winged valve
Alright
latent moon
there's a delay before the first COD coming out
winged valve
Yeah makes sense
latent moon
also iirc on cshot it still comes out around you so you kinda just invalidate a really good hammer
stone rune
yeah
formal citrus
I've tried Aspect of Poseidon with Casts from Aphrodite, Athena, Poseidon, Zeus,...
I've actually found artemis pretty effective due to the tracking and faster exit wounds. Aphro does seem risky. Never tried it for the reasons listed.
formal citrus
Probably the best for gettingt boiling blood lol
Which you'll want most with artemis's other core boons
stone rune
best for boiling blood is athena because of the windup
formal citrus
release before spawn?
stone rune
yea
the other ones you have to run really far away
to not have to deal with the animation when you could be hitting
latent moon
big deflect hitbox kinda nice
stone rune
phalanx lets u be closer
phalanx and electric r also the best general purpose non cast build casts
latent moon
idk true shot has a short range
could also aim away or smack it on a wall
or a bubble
winged valve
I feel like I always do Poseidon cast on Poseidon aspect
royal widget
i've played pos sword like twice ever lol
but i know lightning phalanx is really good
stone rune
howw do you play poseidon
ME
royal widget
shut up about ME
royal widget
i meant an attack boon or smth
formal citrus
idk true shot has a short range
I thought it travels the furthest of any
stone rune
i think u can do lightning strike as wel
stone rune
I thought it travels the furthest of any
you of all people should be able to think of a counterexample
meme beams
latent moon
I thought it travels the furthest of any
phalanx doesn't stop until it hits a wall afaik
others as well i'm pretty sure
pos, zeus
dio is a bit different
stone rune
easy example is dad fight arena
i know flood and electric will stop
i think i’ve seen phalanx drop in its tracks
formal citrus
meme beams
is beams further? There are times where I notice it not being far enough, which is tragic.
I guess phalanx does often go annoyingly far into lava
It's been forever since I've done a good beams run
Need another free dem start
stone rune
nothing will ever go farther than crush shot stones into the lake
latent moon
lmfao
formal citrus
Phalanx being launched from a missed arrow can go pretty far
latent moon
i figured true shot is one of the shorter ones considering i've seen it get cut off and not others
maybe they're all the same length and i just dont use enough casts lmao
formal citrus
I assumed it was tied for longest
stone rune
i figured true shot is one of the shorter ones considering i've seen it get cut ...
probably cause it takes that winding path
latent moon
I'm pretty sure it doesn't go from you to dad at the start of dad fight
And that's a straight shot
last veldt
Can anyone confirm or deny if there's a known big with Hazard Bomb combined with Targeting System? I just had a run with both and enemies, even in the center of the target area, weren't being marked, but sometimes it seemed enemies completely outside were.
I don't expect a fix or anything, just curious if my eyes were playing tricks on me.
last veldt
I should have captured footage. During final boss, I'm sure they got targeted standing well outside the hazard area.
I'll try and reproduce it, but getting two specific hammers isn't easy.
stone rune
speedcord seems to think it’s fine
last veldt
I'm on PS4
stone rune
and i don’t see any remarks about it here
coarse tapir
Does auto aim not work with ranged weapons?
I still miss a bunch even with auto aim
And I turned off aim at cursor
Auto aim seems to track very well for melee weapons
winged valve
Works well for me on console/controller
stone rune
Does auto aim not work with ranged weapons?
it works
you aim with wasd
it’ll correct from the eight directions to your enemy
with rail it just automatically shoots them
but on bow you have to be in their ballpark
it’s pretty generous though
coarse tapir
Really? Im trying to aim with arrow keys and it seems to miss a lot
Maybe just skill issue though
coarse tapir
Bow
stone rune
oh i see
arrow keys don’t work
you aim with the same as your movement keys
unless you move with arrow keys
coarse tapir
I move with arrow keys yeah
latent moon
with bow it's a lot more difficult than on rail
like jazz said you have to like actually face them
which makes dashing one direction and aiming in another difficult
if you want to hit your target consistently you have to dash towards it
@royal warren poms on trippy flare on beo do double of what they say
so 100 -> 140 is actually 100 -> 180
it game never shows the true value for the damage on the boon info screen
you'll only see the true value on the damage numbers that pop up or boon replacements
royal warren
This would explain part of the ridiculous 3k flares I was seeing...
latent moon
yeah lmao
royal warren
It's just Poms on just Trippy Flare on just Beowulf? Just that?..
winged valve
So I finally tried stygian
With a meme beam
Got one chaos the whole run, two rerolls, no extra cast. Then after finding the sack in desperate I took one extra tunnel and found a Prometheus stone
Which just lasted till hades
The sad thing is I got lots of other good stuff. So if I'd gone infernal would have been a very good run
bold citrus
Ugh, exagryph is so dull to play
stone rune
Got one chaos the whole run, two rerolls, no extra cast. Then after finding the ...
don't roll down chaos usually
stone rune
Ugh, exagryph is so dull to play
what build are you doing
bold citrus
I’m pretty early game rn
winged valve
don't roll down chaos usually
Roll down?
stone rune
rolling down is spending all your rolls
stone rune
that might be the issue
winged valve
I agree the default aspect is meh, but rails other 3 aspects are great
bold citrus
Maybe with upgrades
stone rune
you do get to pick
winged valve
Do you have god trinkets yet?
stone rune
you need god keepsakes
bold citrus
Yeah, I do
stone rune
you have god keepsakes right
bold citrus
That one time I got Zeus was pretty good
stone rune
use zeus keepsake and get the attack
stone rune
artemis or aphrodite special
bold citrus
Ahh okay
bold citrus
I see
stone rune
pom that and the dash to at least lvl 3 or 4
winged valve
It's very common to take a trinket to start, and then switch to another trinket in asphodel
stone rune
yeah
bold citrus
got it
winged valve
So you can force two gods
bold citrus
I’ll try that next run
stone rune
keepsake rotation is mostly god -> god -> utility/defense -> defense
not starting with god keepsakes is very niche
bold citrus
It’s mostly just the gameplay of the gun that annoys me