(lol, my cheated adamant rail escape count)
#h1-discussion
obsidian linden
latent moon
based
obsidian linden
so I've an 18 heat clear
I was broken upon arriving to Hades
I would have never beat him LoL
latent moon
incredibly based
obsidian linden
at least, I get all the mirror and all the pact of punishment minus one in 1 run
just like that
side hustle is my most used boon
we're ok with that being in most case the best boon
obsidian linden
XD
that b
give me epic Heartbreak strike
I don't want the common version
or the rare after 3 dice
stone rune
dont roll first boon twice
obsidian linden
never again
so
I've hammer room 3
chain shot, sniper shot or explosif shot ?
latent moon
chain
stone rune
then chain
latent moon
explosive rama means no more power shots
stone rune
the world if explosive was base
obsidian linden
explosive rama means no more power shots
I swear
Chain shot is too situational
let's go for the nuke
stone rune
have fun
obsidian linden
it's time for one of the most cruel question
native blade
When in doubt, be based.
obsidian linden
Erebus or Chaos ?
stone rune
chaos
obsidian linden
I hate having to choose
native blade
latent moon
just aim at an enemy
chain shot also helps with making sure you get better value out of your shared suffering since you'll hit multiple targets
granted you can hit multiple without chain shot but you dont have to line them up anymore
also works pretty great in heroes
obsidian linden
Chaos, you traitor
common boost for boon and rare everything else except for attack
+52 life is good I guess
tepid light
Can't go wrong with that
obsidian linden
another difficult question
I've the Yarn of Ariadne
I'm in Charon before the the sisters
Hermes and a mystery bag
obsidian linden
maybe beat the sisters, ditch my common attack and fish for the epic with the yarn ?
royal widget
nope
tepid light
what aspect you running
stone rune
swift strike
Greater Evasion
Second Wind
roll
obsidian linden
you're kidding me, right ?!?
obsidian linden
rare flurry cast and greater Hast
stone rune
yea take reflex
obsidian linden
Hello Tisiphone
stone rune
and with rd the damage is ridiculous
obsidian linden
Rd?
latent moon
you're kidding me, right ?!?
The only worthwhile option was greater evasion but that's still kinda mid there, better to reroll like jazz said
obsidian linden
yeah, I never use that one
latent moon
Exactly all the options were bad lol
obsidian linden
I don't know how rush delivery work
the description seem misleading
or the question is what count as mouvement speed
stone rune
movement speed buffs
latent moon
Bonus movement speed
stone rune
pretty shrimple
obsidian linden
everything that affect dash ?
latent moon
No like
Hyper sprint
Ignited ichors from the well
Greater haste from hermes
Like walking speed
stone rune
second wind
latent moon
with enough movement speed you can go faster than a dash
obsidian linden
ok
twin thistle
stone rune
how am i skipping my tart midshops
zenith anvil
I wish we had more weapons
The current weapons are pretty fun tho
I hope hades 2 has more options
stone rune
well it depends
if we get more hestias and achilleses im down
more gilgas and chirons not so much
royal widget
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/1131832155681603634/...
I love seeing controller gameplay it's so weird
stone rune
game said no sub6 today
i’m washed
had 2 good paces get elyd
one died late aspho
rest early
i still don’t know if i should be on pride or legacy
i swap to pride and get mad at paces dying because no green boon
then go to legacy and wonder where all my damage is
soft veldt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857268448039927858/1120119038970970202/sp...
lore-accurate Zagreus (according to Orpheus)
grand osprey
Yeah nuking dad with aphro is so satisfying
stone rune
doesn’t affect
uneven cloak
oh its flat?
grand osprey
Demeter has the coolest voice lines tho
Grandma scary
uneven cloak
still, 2500 flat is insanely good
grand osprey
Yeah boiling blood only adds damage to attack and special I think
grand osprey
Global damage bonuses are kinda op with literally anything that isn't attack/special
Lightning, doom, calls etc.
This is why rush delivery is so good with hyper sprint, it doubles damage of anything that isn't buffed by the standard bonuses
(It's also very hard to get in my experience)
stone rune
there are ways to increase your odds
don’t take a call before you have both hermes
on non castspects use stygian soul
save your rolls for hermes
take plume into asphodel on pride if you have 0 hermes
grand osprey
Will do next time
Still i haven't been able to get the combo like 10 runs in a row that I tried to
At least with ME you can get other bonuses so it's really strong even without the Hermes combo
Put some poms on impending doom and you shred everything anyways
uneven cloak
on non castspects use stygian soul
I've done this and I'm glad i did. It's way easier now to apply Boiling Blood now that I don't have to pick it up.
mystic lark
Wait, dont boons from chaos work on dot effects like doom or hangover? Was it always like this?
grand osprey
there isn't a global damage boost from chaos
strike/flourish only buffs the damage form the attack/special, not any additional effects they inflict
grand osprey
like every other damage bonus in the game
why would chaos be different
mystic lark
Well, I played for 600+ hours, and this is the first time I heard that damage bonuses do not apply to effects (
grand osprey
(additional effects also include lightning)
formal citrus
I had an epic crush shot chaos gate start where taking the egg seemed pretty worth. More so than pom. Got me +40% rarity the rest of the run lol and a 62% cast boost lol. Also wasn't running LC4 so the saving hp was nice.
formal citrus
take plume into asphodel on pride if you have 0 hermes
Wait how does this and styg soul help?
obsidian linden
Why is Demeter bad ?
formal citrus
The god or the aspect?
obsidian linden
Yes
formal citrus
I like both.
obsidian linden
Can corp you to Heroic
formal citrus
Meme beam runs are fun and pretty easy if you get the right stuff.
Crop has some shield and maybe hera bugs that aren't helpful but otherwise is pretty cool.
obsidian linden
Legendary suck but she give cool (pun) boon
uneven cloak
btw how does ME and CL work in tandem?
as long as enemy is weak, it never removed Doom?
formal citrus
Laser beams and crop aren't useful as useful for speed running I think is where she loses some people.
uneven cloak
even if constantly procced by ME?
obsidian linden
Ares is hard to use for me
formal citrus
as long as enemy is weak, it never removed Doom?
Unfortunately no. Would be dope.
ME overrides CL
uneven cloak
ah
obsidian linden
Laser beams and crop aren't useful as useful for speed running I think is where ...
I understand
🤔
formal citrus
Beams is also swingy
obsidian linden
What is the most popular speedrun ?
formal citrus
When They re good, they're really good (at not speed) but when They re bad They re pretty bad
obsidian linden
Extrême Hades seem fun to watch
formal citrus
Hera crush shot or beo flood or eris Idk what but I did lightning attack and tdash
Hestia I think
obsidian linden
Sorry, I've to reformule
formal citrus
Rama with Zeus special and a good attack boost
obsidian linden
What is the most popular pact to speedrun ?
obsidian linden
Fo2 ?
formal citrus
Forced overtime
obsidian linden
More ennemies
formal citrus
+attack and move (and spawn) speed for enemies
obsidian linden
Oh
formal citrus
More enemies is jury summons. That's one of the worst pacts for speed lol. Maybe just behind damage control.
obsidian linden
...
formal citrus
I understand
Funnily enough, snow burst is a huge speed help on hera and beo though
obsidian linden
I got delete by the bot a second time or it's a mod this time ?
What is scarier ? Hades or Show off and Asterius ?
formal citrus
I got delete by the bot a second time or it's a mod this time ?
The post might have had something the bot thinks is a swear word or something
formal citrus
What is scarier ? Hades or Show off and Asterius ?
Hades both with and without em
obsidian linden
I agree on em 100% of the time
Are speedrun consistent on Hades ?
And em Hades ?
mystic lark
What is scarier ? Hades or Show off and Asterius ?
Heroes with EM3 and Overtime 2
gray apex
Wait how does this and styg soul help?
It makes it so you are eligible for both Rush Delivery and Hyper Sprint instead of only Hyper Sprint, so it boosts your odds. The reason for Pride is because if you're on Legacy you're likely to just his Legendary instead which you dont want
formal citrus
Lol em charon sounds fun
I'm probably still worse at charon than em dad but it's hard to tell being different points in the run
uneven cloak
there's no point using Legacy unless you're aiming for Legos or Duos
crystal star
What is the best weapon for ME
formal citrus
Once it's going probably zag fists, but people often recommend Demeter so you have the special for damage before you get ME.
Seen people discuss nemesis ME a lot too.
It works well on a ridiculous number of aspects.
I've had fun runs with it on Zeus, Chiron, and Lucifer even if I don't think any of those are the best for it.
formal citrus
The one that gives the slight doom bonuses per extra application kinda helps but not a lot on those lol
But like. I don't think there's an aspect it doesn't work on. It's super annoying on the bows, but still doable.
Actually on special with triple chain shot could be interesting lol
the most fun part of it on luci is starting with deflectoballs
latent moon
The one that gives the slight doom bonuses per extra application kinda helps but...
I think that's doing most of the work lmao
You tag on a lot of extra doom damage
formal citrus
For chiron probably. With Lucifer I had a bunch of extra dashes I think so it was probably only 2 or 3 extra applications most of the time
Gun dashing can kinda be like fists, just with the complete lack of stun but that don't matter on dad
gleaming sorrel
Got a bit burnt out, playing moonlighter now
obsidian linden
So...
Now time for a stupid question
Twin Shot
Sniper Shot
Perfect Shot
Just in case
tepid light
I actually prefer Perfect Shot
It's likely just personal preference, but the reduced range on twin shot irks me
pastel monolith
twin shot is my favorite hammer for bow
second is triple shot
actualy flurry might be second just because its fun.. also its good for hera bc its fast
perfect shot isnt bad
sniper shot is bad if its the one im thinking of where long distance shots do more
pastel monolith
twins are probably best.. double damage.. easy to aim.. the decreased range is pretty negligible
tepid light
I also find it a bit awkward to hit one target with both arrows with twin shot
I'll still take it over something like Triple Shot though
obsidian linden
At least, I've fufilled my fated list on Aphrodite
formal citrus
I also find it a bit awkward to hit one target with both arrows with twin shot
How often do you manage to hit with only one? They re right side by side.
tepid light
How often do you manage to hit with only one? They re right side by side.
Dunno, I just have trouble with it
tepid light
Not a bad suggestion imo
I usually take coin purse at the start of my run, and then swap it out for god-dependent trinkets later depending on which boons I got
obsidian linden
Coin purse > Cosmic Egg ?
tepid light
When you throw your special, instead of pulling it back to you you can pull yourself towards it in a dash, and after dashing that way you get a big damage bonus on your next four attacks
gray apex
4
gray apex
You can start Tidal Dash then force Artemis or Ares into Asphodel
tepid light
Real gamers go for tidal strike
latent moon
How often do you manage to hit with only one? They re right side by side.
Ngl it happens lmao
Idk how or why exactly I miss an arrow like that but it happens
pastel monolith
basic tip for bow in general.. pretty much always do dash strike , its a lot faster and its not much less damage
gray apex
dodge is addititve
obsidian linden
How many question can I ask ?
😂
Extending Jab, Serated point, Quick Spin
They all suck a little
gray apex
If you're playing Hades spear you can go for Serrated or Quick Spin. If on Achilles just take Serrated, its the only one that does something
obsidian linden
Max Achilles
Well...
latent moon
Try to aim it so that both arrows hit the enemy
Fair enough thanks mike
gray apex
np
crystal star
Definitely with a drunkie
crystal star
What boons do you have right now
Or what are you trying to go for
Actually I dont even know what you are talking about
obsidian linden
I've beat the furies
pastel monolith
i would hide in one of the mini boss rooms.. preferably artemis room
oh sorry didnt read the whole message with the choices
obsidian linden
It's Ares Attack
obsidian linden
Nausea
crystal star
If I were you I would just go for the ares dio duo
Its pretty good
What weapon are you using
No
obsidian linden
Achille spear
crystal star
You have too much
crystal star
Achille spear
Achilles spear is a cast weapon
I mean
Its fine but there are better weapons for these kinds of builds and better ways to use that one
tepid light
Achilles spear is a cast weapon
I mean....you can certainly use it as one, yes
latent moon
Attack based Achilles can be pretty strong with chaos buffs
tepid light
I've understood it to be strong in general
latent moon
Not really common for speedrunning since casts give more dps esp in Elysium but it's still pretty strong
Still good dps
tepid light
Depends on the weapon
latent moon
Generally only when running ME on melee aspects
tepid light
Weapons with weaker attacks (e.g. fists) do better with doom
latent moon
Otherwise it's kinda mid if you do anything else with it
Or you wanna do like hit and run with shield throws but that's kinda bad
obsidian linden
So, bad for spear
tepid light
It works for spear depending on the aspect
latent moon
Or if on Achilles you can just throw it on the special because you're not using the special for dps but it's a good chunk of extra damage if you rush through enemies
obsidian linden
Seem Good on spécial, yeah
latent moon
Just like don't build around it at that point
Just like
Slap it on and forget it about lmao
tepid light
I'd like to see an Achilles build that focuses around Ares special
Wouldn't be very good
But it would be interesting to watch
gray apex
You'd probably fall asleep watching it
latent moon
Lmfao I just feel like that's attack based Achilles but you're focusing on rushing through enemies instead
Or just really bad yeah
tepid light
Endless dashing through the same enemy over and over
pastel monolith
it could be good if u get the hammer hat makes the special bounce around between enemies.
unless u cant get that with achilies
tepid light
Incompatible with Achilles, unfortunately
If it was compatible, that'd be hilarious
One dash sends you zig-zagging across the entire group of enemies
pastel monolith
haha ya or u end up in random spot at least
obsidian linden
Make Twin Fist broken
obsidian linden
Spam Special
zenith anvil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857268448039927858/1120119038970970202/sp...
what's the point of playing the game if you're just going to cheat with scripts
At that point, make a 3d plane in unreal engine, make ragdolls that have 1 hp, fill the whole space up and make it so you kill them all with 1 hit
formal citrus
Yo chill
mint coral
Lol
zenith anvil
like that, you'll at least get introduced to something meaningful in the process, which is being introduced to game making
twin thistle
🗿
formal citrus
It's a funny video
twin thistle
why you acting like this is the only way the person plays
formal citrus
Made with the objective of fun
zenith anvil
these are the same mfs who would boot up cod with mod menus and aimbot and just try to have an ego trip
just lame
formal citrus
I am sorry it is upsetting to you
zenith anvil
pretty much making the whole effort and original intent of the devs go to waste
Yeah, it is upsetting me
formal citrus
I would recommend ignoring it and focusing on the aspects of your life that make you happy
10 hours back reading is pretty impressive ngl
pastel monolith
its fun to cheat in offline games
zenith anvil
Ignoring negative stimuli and pursuing a wild goose chase of happiness, doesn't lead to happiness. it only causes brain atrophy and apathy
formal citrus
Oh okay. Focus on negative stimuli ig then
obsidian linden
F
zenith anvil
You solve problems not by ignoring them and being avoidant but to rather address it directly and try to work out a solution
obsidian linden
I bored of my run
pastel monolith
sometimes focusing on negative stuff can be fun too.. as long as ur having fun lol not being angry
formal citrus
Gl with the solution in this case
zenith anvil
If your program and line of code has an issue, ignoring the missing semicolon isnt going to fix the error.
obsidian linden
I've heroic evasion
formal citrus
That is certainly an analogy lol
obsidian linden
But poor dps
zenith anvil
Same idea here.
Ignoring things that cause issues isn't going to make it magically go away
formal citrus
The whole world being your code sounds like a lot of work
stiff obsidian
what is the issue caused
gray apex
It's a singleplayer game, people can play it however they want. This doesnt cause an issue to anyone
zenith anvil
The whole world being your code sounds like a lot of work
Humans are connected and the only way for mankind to survive on the longterm, is for it to adopt an altruistic system
pastel monolith
sometimes when i have a problem, i just accept it and pretend its not much of a problem and go back to being happy and content
native blade
^
zenith anvil
sometimes when i have a problem, i just accept it and pretend its not much of a ...
the problem will pile up and eventually, it will come back to bite you in the butt
gray apex
probably just trolling
zenith anvil
I'm dead serious
I put that on my mother
I disavow trolling and actively stand against it
formal citrus
Lol
twin thistle
pastel monolith
ive never been much of a fan of altruism.. im more nihilism and hedonism lol.. but thats bad too . works for me.. keeps me happy.. but anyway this isnt the time or place for that discussion
formal citrus
This does seem suitable for off topic
zenith anvil
There's still good out there, there is still something worth fighting for. For anyone who might be reading this, don't give up yet.
gray apex
formal citrus
I was about to give up, but that speech really turned me around.
zenith anvil
Life flashes by in an instant, make the most out of it. The meaning of life is within those same words but backwards. The meaning of life is a life of meaning, find a value and explore that pathway and see where it takes you
Don't let your passions die out, the spark of life is still in you ❤️
How faint it even may be
pastel monolith
i like hades.. i think u can learn life lessons from hades..
u dont always get dealt the cards u want, some things are beyond ur control.. u just gotta keep on trying and try to keep a smile on..
.. and there is no escape
zenith anvil
i like hades.. i think u can learn life lessons from hades..
u dont always get...
Yes! Always give it your all, correct!
For life is just a mystery and a puzzle that all life works towards solving. Find something you value, follow the path it leads you on and see where that path goes
Love y'all
Keep your chins up, champs
latent moon
what's the point of playing the game if you're just going to cheat with scripts
I mean the player quite literally has thousands of hours of playing the game normally
Let him do what he wants
Not like it's being submitted to a leaderboard or anything
It's just funny
9k damage tdash is funny
zenith anvil
I mean the player quite literally has thousands of hours of playing the game nor...
Eh. I guess that should be fine then
Then he already got every thing the game has to offer, basically lol
raw herald
I’m pretty sure keepout has >2k
SMH imagine CHEATING in hades video game when you’re only 7 mins entering styx 🙄
Not even wr pace
latent moon
I’m pretty sure keepout has >2k
Yeah I wasn't entirely sure lmao idk people hours
royal warren
At some point after first escape, found myself cheating Demstones and Darkness to unlock some fun things sooner (but didn't cheat other resources such as Titan Blood, Nectar, etc, because I like the "grind"). Also use speedhacks to slow down the game while fishing. In single player offline games, minor cheating can improve one's enjoyment. The important thing is moderation: use cheats to skip or fix something bothersome, but avoid obviating the actual gameplay
crystal star
I wouldnt hack even if I could
royal warren
Sure, it's very very subjective. I might also end up with a new save slots without those cheats. Just giving an example how reasonable, moderated cheats can be nice for someone
crystal star
When do I unlock the win screen things
latent moon
At some point after first escape, found myself cheating Demstones and Darkness t...
Lmao the speedrun modpack uses "cheats to skip or fix something bothersome" technically
They're all community agreed tho so it's not a big deal
And it's really just stuff that would kill a speedrun generally
And it's a separate leaderboard
latent moon
When do I unlock the win screen things
You need all the work orders done or something idk
crystal star
WHATTTT
latent moon
I mean the themes aren't important tbf
grand osprey
wait than doesn't have special dialogue for you getting every enemy
i beat you 28-0 than acknowledge that
mint coral
not full dialogue but he does have small lines about it iirc
basically him being embarrased
- the victory screen title "robbed Thanathos"
winged valve
I notice that some aspects look nice even when just unlocked, whereas some aspects seem pretty worthless until you level them up
where do Charon and Hestia actually become worthwhile?
Level 1 Hestia seems like basically a worse bow, for example.
at level 3 it's at least doing more damage per shot than a bow's power shot
For Chiron, at level 1 the special just has 4 arrows which seems kind of weak to me
like you mostly may as well just fire the primary again instead of bothering with the special
I know you enable some on hit effects etc but still seems pretty meh
raw herald
where do Charon and Hestia actually become worthwhile?
4-5 imo
formal citrus
Chiron 2 can apply max hang over stacks pre the aphro duo
winged valve
yeah, I mean, if you really want to do hangover, and want to do it on bow, then that works
but you'll probably just do more damage spamming regular attack + hades won't you
sorry ares
twin thistle
chiron is pretty safe and easy to use. maybe not the most effective tho
winged valve
Totally unrelated question: does Hunter Dash actually work on the bow's dash-power attack?
twin thistle
yep
winged valve
Okay, I was trying to test in game and it didn't feel like it was but things were pretty chaotic
it would be really cool if you could grab boons in the dummy room
and just test arbitrary stuff out
twin thistle
yeah need mods for that
native forum
does dark reflections only work on skills that are max c apped?
doig runs with those im missing and im not getting it
gray apex
does dark reflections only work on skills that are max c apped?
Nope
Works with whatever but make sure you're finishing these runs one way or another
Dont use the give up option
winged valve
I'm a bit sad because I had a run that was going well and I kind of broke it.
I already had a lot of damage on my bow, and I picked the aspect that makes your attack slower but big damage boost etc
and an explosion
I think it's actually a dps loss vs single target, I already had a lot of +% and aspect of hades so the bigger damage per shot isn't worth the lower fire rate.
and it charges really slow. I can't usually power shot anymore because I'd be standing still too long and get hit
formal citrus
are you talking about aspect of rama or the explosive hammer?
new stuff definitely takes some practice getting used to
I can't use explosive arrows other than point blank
Preferably with triple shot
winged valve
are you talking about aspect of rama or the explosive hammer?
the explosive hammer
Your Attack deals +300% damage in an area, but charges slower.
I mean I'm sure you can do cool things with it. It's just, it makes you charge a lot slower. You're firing less often, and still most of my shots aren't power shots. If it's your only damage increase then it's probably still worth it. But when you start considering all the other damage boosts, the fact that it's additive, something like ares which is per shot, it just doesn't really work out imho
gray apex
It's a tough hammer to play with
winged valve
yeah. I mean I'm used to alot of hammers being a huge, build defining buff, or sometimes, a moderate bonus
this is the first hammer I've taken where I felt it actively made my build worse
i got it out of the way for the prophecy, anyway
gray apex
Depending on your first hammer, it can be really good, but it has its own playstyle
winged valve
Yeah I bet
gray apex
Yea you just have to know that 99% of your shots wont be powershots. I didnt like it too much especially on Rama but it kinda grew on me
winged valve
it was just really bad to combo it with dash strike. makes it almost a complete waste.
sorry hunter dash
stone rune
Wait how does this and styg soul help?
Stygian soul only has 1 hermes for it (Auto reload) and infernal soul has 2 (quick reload, flurry cast), taking plume into asphodel with 0 hermes lets you get rush delivery first and sprint second as well
formal citrus
Lol I just realized you can't get flurry cast on styg. Makes sense.
stone rune
the reason it's specifically on pride is that on legacy if you take plume that opens the hermes legendaries
which have 1% chance of appearing on pride
but 11% on olegacy
which still minorly increases rd odds but becomes like opportunity cost whatever
crystal star
But when do i get access back
Or do I not
Isnt that where I get the last page of things in the codex
gray apex
But when do i get access back
You do not
crystal star
Oh
twin thistle
you can fish in dads arena
gray apex
Isnt that where I get the last page of things in the codex
If you mean the fish you can catch them in the final arena
crystal star
No no
The last thing
After river denizens
It says undiscovered
Oh
Nvm I think its the companions
I dont have any yet
gray apex
Yea that makes sense
crystal star
Do you need a call to get smair
stone rune
yes
obsidian linden
Hello
Good morning
Sometimes, I'm scared of sending a message because of time zone
2 month ago, I was in France
And it's 3:44 in France at that moment
Now I'm in Japan and it's 10:44
What time it is for y'all ?
young moth
How does hidden bow aspect work?
obsidian linden
Ok
latent moon
How does hidden bow aspect work?
Shared suffering is like budget aoe
Any enemy with shared suffering on it takes extra damage from when you attack
young moth
Any enemy with shared suffering on it takes extra damage from when you attack
Shared suffering is the symbol when you use special right?
latent moon
Yes
formal citrus
Level 8 crush shot out of tart lol
young moth
Level 8 crush shot out of tart lol
That’s an auto win with Hera bow lol
It could be almost 20 by the time you’re done
formal citrus
Returns kinda diminish but I probably should have kept pomming it. Got mirage and parting to go with it. Died to dad ||part 3||, maybe the extra damage would have made a difference but everything else was important too.
I think this might turn into a merciful end rama run lol
Lol heroic side hustle in early aspho and I already have 706 obols
ME rama, let's gooooo
Rama: not the best ME aspect
latent moon
Returns kinda diminish but I probably should have kept pomming it. Got mirage an...
to be fair, there's not much else to pom on hera
unless you're using tdash and have razor shoals i guess
your cast is like 99% of your damage lmao
the other 1% is if you have snow burst probably
snow burst is prob doing more but you get the idea
twin thistle
is snow burst even pommable
torpid hull
Got a fishing spot in greece and I reeled too early…
twin thistle
just get zeus call 
young moth
Oh man, just finished the ||epilogue||
Chills bro
Amazing game
I’ll go for platinum next
formal citrus
to be fair, there's not much else to pom on hera
Yeah, I mostly went for things that weren't poms post tart
latent moon
is snow burst even pommable
Yeah
uneven cloak
I can't for the like of me get Burner in Benefits Package
formal citrus
Dang, me rama almost had it
uneven cloak
btw can anyone give me a cliffnotes on how to use Rama?
stone rune
oh boy
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
thanks MiKE
formal citrus
btw can anyone give me a cliffnotes on how to use Rama?
From earlier today, if you want to watch and read that discussion
stone rune
basically just hit everyone with a special and then instagib them with fat dash strike power shots
fiery presence is better but shadow is ok if you generally dont know how many enemies r gonna be in a wave
formal citrus
I tried fiery with it just now. I can't mentally balance not marking all lol
remote iris
Slippery Strike (attack damage +39% after 4 encounters of 11 sec no bloodstone)
or
Halting Sould (rare, -36% dash for 3 encounters, afterwards gain +52 max life)
in tartarus
remote iris
uhh the hidden for coronaucht
royal widget
slippery strike
remote iris
flayed flourish is my third option
stone rune
definitely strike
remote iris
alright thanks
zeus is supposed to be the god of all gods but they made his boons kinda mid tbh
remote iris
true
tepid light
Play fists with zeus strike and try saying that again
remote iris
zeus is supposed to be the god of all gods but they made his boons kinda mid tbh
it's joever i got dusa reacted
stone rune
hi guys can we manifest a fountain into eury c21 and c22 for me thanks
tepid light
hi guys can we manifest a fountain into eury c21 and c22 for me thanks
Having a fun run?
stone rune
i need a c22 skip rn for pace
remote iris
in the name of the good lord jesus christ may jazz find a fountain and eurydice consecutively
stone rune
damn
tepid light
eurydice boss fight when
royal widget
in the name of the good lord jesus christ may jazz find a fountain and eurydice ...
wouldn't you pray to zeus or something
royal widget
pro
remote iris
wouldn't you pray to zeus or something
"thou shalt have no other gods before me"
tepid light
i mean god does seem to exist in Hades' world given aspect of lucifer
stone rune
sub6able
royal widget
idk zeus is pretty cool
remote iris
true...
tepid light
Tbh I'd rather earnestly believe in Zeus than God
But this is not the place for an actual religious discussion aha
obsidian linden
yeah
time for new question on optimisation
I really need that one since it's for the Beowolf shield that I struggle to use
Erebus's Chamber Athena boon
epic choice for Phalanx Flare
stone rune
gg got ratted
obsidian linden
I take or pass ?
stone rune
it's ok
uneven cloak
how long does Shared Suffering last?
stone rune
long enough
uneven cloak
long enough to last an entire wave?
stone rune
yea
assuming you're fast
2 good paces out of aspho got elyd today
3 actually
gg
uneven cloak
I've already gotten to record in 6-8 heat clearing on most arms. Should I prio only 5 heat runs for constant Darkness drops for early capping of mirror?
ionic hemlock
Is there special dialogue for 64 heat
stone rune
no why would there be
ionic hemlock
On that note
uneven cloak
or prio boss drops for max aspects?
stone rune
there are quite literally 2 people in the world who have done it
both of them not vanilla
uneven cloak
Max mirror first or max aspects?
stone rune
it is functionally impossible to do unmodded
uneven cloak
or max my favorite aspect of each arms then max mirror?
stone rune
Max mirror first or max aspects?
mirror
ionic hemlock
If special something for 32 why not for max
stone rune
because max heat is for functionally everybody completely impossib le
anybody can do 32
that's free
uneven cloak
so I'm guessing maxing an aspect for each arm will take longer than maxing all mirror faces?
ionic hemlock
It’s theoretically possible though right
stone rune
so I'm guessing maxing an aspect for each arm will take longer than maxing all m...
what
stone rune
It’s theoretically possible though right
it is possible basically only modded seeded
ionic hemlock
could a tas do it unmodded
uneven cloak
Oh yeah I'll think about maxing the other mirror abilities later. I don't even have a single point in Persuasion
stone rune
with routed rng sure
ionic hemlock
Oh yeah I'll think about maxing the other mirror abilities later. I don't even h...
Wait why
It’s one of the best
uneven cloak
Wait why
Cause It's costly and I've been winning consistently for a while so i keep getting boss drops over darkness boss drops
ionic hemlock
persuasion is better than athourity
uneven cloak
ionic hemlock
And athourity is more too
uneven cloak
when you win, darkness drops ain't at all common
ionic hemlock
Lower heat
stone rune
just max the mirror first and max out a few aspects that are good
uneven cloak
might be now
stone rune
dont waste blood on like hades and talos
stone rune
if you want a list it'd be like nem, achilles, beo, hera, demeter, eris+hestia
uneven cloak
I do plan on maxing my favorite/strongest aspect for each arm
THEN i max every part of the mirror
then i max all aspects
I went with Rama for bow ngl
Hestia for rail of course
uneven cloak
thats my endgame. I'm not exactly the max heat/speedrunner type
I'm a completionist gamer
I think to be more accurate....
a lot of my faves are roguelites
so the completionism takes some time
btw I have only unlocked Rama to lvl 1
I still have not gone full committal on it
What would you recommend I go for a Bow aspect?
stone rune
most of my favorite games are singleplayer fps
hera and zagbow
basically just do everything other than chiron
ionic hemlock
Is Chiron that bad
stone rune
it's the 3rd worst aspect in the game
ionic hemlock
Why
stone rune
no damage
uneven cloak
My plan is to just get max rewards for every aspect. So maybe 1 arm gets 32 heat and the rest only go up to 25
stone rune
no aoe
uneven cloak
Hmmm, I'm going Hera then
ionic hemlock
Max rewards is capped at 20 per weapon
ionic hemlock
Oh ok
uneven cloak
so the +5 is necessary
uneven cloak
I do get that weakness on Hestia. Not much AoE unless I get T.Dash, Lightning Bolt Dash, or the hammer that makes ammo pierce
uneven cloak
or that specific Artemis boon that adds more arrows per attack hit
uneven cloak
thats why u start with tdash
....noted.
I started with Aph Atk
I love that you can keep stacking the same boons in Chaos
stone rune
with zeus call you need smair
uneven cloak
btw it's ranked that EM2 increases diff by quite a bit. Is it because the Hydra room becomes so incredibly claustrophobic and no safe spaces to retreat?
stone rune
idk em2 kinda free
uneven cloak
I'll consider it once i get far enough
I've tried the whole Revive per chamber and geting LC4. But that feels so dangerous
There's so many helpful stuff that becomes useless when you go that route
those work order fountains, some of Dio's very helpful healing boons, etc.
and Charon healing stuff
obsidian linden
so, finally bring Beowolf to the surface
let's myself be kill by dad because in my book, that shield sucks
uneven cloak
you do you
stone rune
let's myself be kill by dad because in my book, that shield sucks
so true
obsidian linden
maybe having 10 interaction with Aphrodite and not getting Epic attack piss me off too
twin thistle
beo is a castpect btw
uneven cloak
Asphodel once again ends with no armored perks being that goddamn lava one
twin thistle
Better than teleporter jumpy bois being impossible to chase down 
uneven cloak
no this is for the fates stuff
Speak of the devil again
I got Zeus Call, Smair, and Clouded Judgment
stone rune
thats the 5th 31x into 50x today
im taking the hint
the best part is all of them got epic rd
from eury
latent moon
it is possible basically only modded seeded
angel and mysterra did it modded unseeded
stone rune
epic start tho
stone rune
ok then modded epic start
latent moon
yeah
seeded would mean no prior death
and you'd probably have some rooms guaranteed
latent moon
easy
stone rune
im on a 3 day streak
latent moon
ah yes. The talk of a normal player
jazz is an addict
uneven cloak
Splitters are so dangerous in Hell Mode that it's so cathartic to deflect those huge globs back at them
btw
do you remember your first time playing Hades?
Cause I'm really curious about your first impressions on the Styx region
it changes things so much that it was overwhelming
and that whole poison -> soup thing
uneven cloak
Wow, ME build really is one of the best ways to go for fists.
The one-two does such an absurd damage
uneven cloak
Is Huge Catch a one-time freebie?
You have to actually try to get its prereq and proc the Lego chances next time?
stone rune
yes
formal citrus
does using ruthless reflex count?
grand osprey
zag sayind "nice." when athena shows up and gives him Ddash is so accurate
it's definitely not scripted but it just happened so yeah
autumn rose
I heard zagreus say piss off to wretches once lol
Seemed kinda out of place for a wholesome game with as nice a character as zagreus
grand osprey
i mean he constantly says "oh gods" and "blood and darkness" which is basically a swear
uneven cloak
I only need to max Aspect of Achilles and then I can stop trading all my stuff for Blood
Every other arm has an Aspect maxed.
The other aspects can wait naturally.
sharp stone
rose roost
i was following the 32 heat guide and BP is recommended for 12heat, is there smth else i can swap it for?
golden crystal
Yooooo I had no idea there would be any hades voice actors at connecticon! I found Laila who voices Demeter and Persephone
Totally getting a Demeter print signed
obsidian linden
Too bad you can't show picture here because I'm starting a run really strong
Demeter Fist
Epic Heartbreak Flourish Lv. 3
Explosive Upper
Epic Battle Rage
Excruciating Flourish giving me +69% spécial damage
Also, next room is Fury Sisters and I've Chimera Jerky
latent moon
i was following the 32 heat guide and BP is recommended for 12heat, is there smt...
The step by step heat thingy right
rose roost
Yeah
latent moon
I'd pick like any 5 heat from the later steps
Bp2 is recommended for 32 heat for sure tho
rose roost
kk which one would be easier among them?
and why DC not recommended
bcuz of fiery presence?
latent moon
Kinda both
Damage control invalidates some aspects like hestia and Arthur
The big heavy hitters specifically
It forces you to do an extra hit, and the time adds up
Also screws up some meg line ups and timings
latent moon
Which aspect are you gonna use
rose roost
Whoops
latent moon
It won't be a big deal but you'd lose some time still
And meg line ups are still screwed up
rose roost
Which aspect are you gonna use
Mostly chiron and nemesis at the moment
rose roost
hmm I'll give it a try still
thanks for advice
Oh yeah I said dc will mess up Hera and bewoulf, lol
latent moon
Guan Yu is easy if you get charged skewer
All aspects are pretty easily doable at 32 heat
Just takes some practice learning 32 heat and the aspect a bit
None of them are like hard blocked from it
Idk gilga
Probably whatever aspect you like the least
Assuming good build and pact tho it's not that bad
Works fine
Merciful end exists
Nem has crit
Poseidon has decent cast build
Arthur is decent
The hidden aspect
All the hidden aspects are named after notable people in various myths
rose roost
i was following the 32 heat guide and BP is recommended for 12heat, is there smt...
i'm an idiot i meant UC not BP🤦♂️
but ig the advice still applies
u have to purge 1 boon to progress
the minibosses is middle management
uc comes at 12heat
crystal star
daamn, crush shot is nasty with hera
Yeah I just did a run with it its crazy
rose roost
nice
crystal star
Can someone help
I got 5 hearts with meg
And she showed up in my room
But i cant gift her ambrosia for the companion
latent moon
probably the next time she shows up in your room
torpid hull
Why can’t I get the achievement for killing skelly 15 times?
Oh I had to start a run nvm
crystal star
Does mirage shot do 100% base damage
It says its 30
But i think someone told me it was bugged to do 100
ionic hemlock
Only on beo
latent moon
only on flares*
hera gets trippy flare, so the mirage bug would also work there
beowulf only has flares, so it works on every flare except thunder flare, which technically has 0 cast damage
uneven cloak
Hoo boy. One cheevo is about getting Butterfly keepsake into a specific amt. I guess I now know what Hestia has to do once it gets darker thirst and I have maxed Achilles aspect already.
stone rune
can do it on guan yu
uneven cloak
would you recommend it over Achilles?
I have read your thoughts on both in high heat
Well, I will need some of the hidden aspects to be the 2nd maxed ones in their respective arms (Beo not included) since I do want to reach final boss with em for Fates
raw herald
Achilles is pretty dangerous with an attack build
Although a cast build could work and be safe
latent moon
would you recommend it over Achilles?
If you're trying to get the butterfly achievement then it works as long as you get charged skewer
Achilles isn't that safe like RT said unless you do a cast build
Hestia is just overall easier tho
latent moon
Based
uneven cloak
well
too late.
already added too many levels on Achilles
GY can wait
I'm maxing every aspect anyway
but i need to rush maxing 1 aspect per arm first
upbeat walrus
Achilles wins with hunting blades every time
If you get that boon
no need to upgrade anything if you cant
nothing
just straight up hunting blades on top of 150% boost kills everything
uneven cloak
so how is it? Ares ATK? Art Special?
although i guess the point is Rift carry
hmmm
oh
Ares Cast
and whatever for Artemis
so Artemis Special?
I'll think of that build next time I get Darker Thirst on Spear
royal widget
arty atk
uneven cloak
i thought the game plan might've been to keep spamming dragon rushes with that rift. But I guess the special boon can be flexible
upbeat walrus
@uneven cloak I like arty attack ares special then hard shoot for hunting blades. Demeter snow burst is a very good boon too
uneven cloak
oh yeah ares special makes sense cause you can apply dooms during the rift shreds
twin thistle
oh yeah ares special makes sense cause you can apply dooms during the rift shred...
ares attack/special doesnt help for the duo prereqs so not much of a point gunning for it
uneven cloak
yeah i'm thinking of after you get the prereq and miss/already got the duo
stone rune
it’s pretty useless
twin thistle
youre prob better off just getting the other rift boosting boons
winged valve
I've tried to go ares rift blade a few times and haven't enjoyed it so far
stone rune
it can go pretty fast
obsidian linden
hello again
winged valve
It's pretty meh if you don't get hunting blades. Or at least I haven't found another good setup for it yet
latent moon
Just get the boon
stone rune
also its not that bad in rooms without
obsidian linden
another day, another (bunch of) question
winged valve
I don't have some of the mirror stuff maxed.yet so it's hard to guarantee it
obsidian linden
are call really that useful?
stone rune
only rlly in bosses does no green boon start to struggle hard
twin thistle
are call really that useful?
superbly
stone rune
are call really that useful?
zeus, dio, and athena calls
the rest are kinda bad
aph call is ok
obsidian linden
are call really that useful?
the window to use them is really tight
stone rune
??
obsidian linden
nice
winged valve
With smoldering air you can be invulnerable almost a third of the time I think
From calls
twin thistle
with athena and some poms maybe
obsidian linden
but using your call and having the boss go invincible is one of the greatest f you in the game
winged valve
One weird thing in this game (IMHO) is that call charge isn't based on kills or damage
But number of hits
stone rune
it’s based on damage as well
uneven cloak
btw
winged valve
Oh?
twin thistle
well unless its dads darkness then boss invincibility phases are always at set hp intervals
winged valve
Everywhere I read said number hits
stone rune
or else you’d never have a call charge on beo
twin thistle
what
uneven cloak
whats the interaction with Erebus or Chaos domains. Are they considered additional or it serves as still a room count before boss?
stone rune
on hl5
twin thistle
and free trip back to house
stone rune
jesus christ strat
obsidian linden
zeus, dio, and athena calls
I've a theory with Athena Call
stone rune
i watched a streamer who thought it was bad cause he didn’t realize he could attack during it lmao
hades streams hurt my soul
saw a guy trying to streak allweps 32 with dc2 ri1 em4
twin thistle
bouldy^2
ionic hemlock
Dc?
stone rune
damage control
ionic hemlock
Also ri
stone rune
routine inspection
ionic hemlock
RI? Absolutely not
stone rune
he also started shawl
latent moon
Based
ionic hemlock
DC2? Understandable
twin thistle
dc2 beo stonks
latent moon
This is such a based pact
twin thistle
just get the boons fr
stone rune
and then he took cursed slash over dedge
latent moon
BASED
obsidian linden
I've a theory with Athena Call
can Athena Call can activate Merciful End ?
ionic hemlock
Early game “omg healing is best” mindset
twin thistle
athena call doesnt deflect
ionic hemlock
technical it does
stone rune
doesn’t it say make you impervious and deflect
obsidian linden
wait, what!!!
twin thistle
err then no funny damage hitbox
obsidian linden
yeah, I'm trying to theoryse an abuse
obsidian linden
Eternal Chamber Lucifer
stone rune
just get triple bomb
uneven cloak
I'm taking it easy now with only a 5 heat (default for hell) with Hestia. Gonna do a Than Butterfly run
Oh I'm making it hard for myself. Butterfly's barely leveled up
gonna take a while to stack 30%
formal citrus
Rarity of chaos doesn't change chance of getting +1 cast, does it? What do higher rarity +1 casts chaos boons mean?
mint coral
Nothing
formal citrus
Nice
mint coral
It used to give you more casts I think
formal citrus
Sheesh
uneven cloak
Is Butterfly bugged?
or more likely just fixed to not be abused in Styx?
cause keepsake leveling considers every miniroom in Styx to be AN encounter
but Butterfly doesn;t
mint coral
or more likely just fixed to not be abused in Styx?
Both butterfly and Hermes's keepsake don't count the mini tunnels
uneven cloak
but it counts for leveling em up?
mint coral
Hydro might also doesn't